✅RenoDX: MH Wilds

[merry tartan]

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[cerulean marsh]

Is there any way to fix the black levels for wilds?

I can't seem to use Lilium's HDR black level fix (Unsupported API)

[ebon tide]

Why don't you use renodx sliders

?

[cerulean marsh]

Can't seem to get the black floor all the way down to zero

could be something on my monitor set wrong

[ebon tide]

Renodx fixes gamma mismatch

Anything else is game intended grading

Probly you can't get 0 because it shouldn't be 0

You can just adjust contrast or shadow slider

It's the same as lilium shader

[cerulean marsh]

I must be doing something wrong then because Renodx still looks somewhat poor without some serious tweaking

might be a monitor setting I dunno

I have an OLED so I wanna hit those perfect blacks but games just aren't really cut out for it a lot of the time

Guess I can just focus on enjoying the vibrant colors more

Either way I think I might be doing something wrong with Renodx it doesn't really look any better than vanilla HDR

[ebon tide]

Hhmmm

Did you follow all install instructions ?

[cerulean marsh]

I will have to look at them again

[ebon tide]

Haven't playex wild yet

But if you don't see sliders doing anything might be missing something

[cerulean marsh]

I mean it does something I just can't seem to get it to a good brightness while maintaining decent blacks

[ebon tide]

Did you try hdr look and filmic preset ?

[cerulean marsh]

hdr look?

[ebon tide]

Should be at the bottom of the sliders

You have several buttons

[cerulean marsh]

Vanilla plus?

[ebon tide]

Ya that

[cerulean marsh]

Reno disables the ingame settings right so they don't really matter at all?

[ebon tide]

Yeah

[cerulean marsh]

I mean filmic does look pretty decent but for some reason it makes certain areas of the game like

way toooooo dark

in the tent

Though I think I might be able to fix that by turning the in game brightness up to a normal level

My theory is that for some reason Renodx fixes aren't being applied to the tent so since I have the in game brightness as low as it can go it does that. I'll see if that works. If not I might try reinstalling Renodx

Or

Perchance

The game's in game HDR was not on

[cerulean marsh]

Game looks fine now. Still couldn't figure out why its so dark in the tent

[glacial plank]

do you guys have HDR still working in the game?

It doesn't work for me for some reason now after the latest update

[glacial plank]

nvm had to update reshade

[cerulean marsh]

That's probably my own issue is that I just need to update reshade and it will probably fix my too dark in the tent issue

Oh nevermind I have the latest

I'm on the latest version of Renodx for wilds too

[glacial plank]

iirc it might be related to some other mods maybe

[cerulean marsh]

Got nothing else installed

other than tex decompressor

[merry tartan]

in-game HDR needs to be on

[cerulean marsh]

Yeah I turned it back on but I was still having issues in the tent. I turned of the tex decompressor to see if that was somehow affecting it

[cerulean marsh]

Its a problem with post-grade HDR

for some reason lighting is handled totally different in certain areas so using post grade works fine in most areas but there are a couple places that aren't chill with it

[shut violet]

There are fixed exposure locations in the game, the tent is one of them

[cerulean marsh]

makes sense

really annoying that you can't totally disabled fixed exposure or the other way around

Cause filmic preset looks MILES better than vanilla but can't do much about the tent just being too dark

[shut violet]

it's not really an issue if you "tune" the rest of the game with vanilla exposure

but yea if you want to use the filmic preset which is just fixed exposure everywhere then the tent is going to be dark

[cerulean marsh]

I'm just having a hard time tuning it, with vanilla exposure the game always seems to look a little blown out even if I turn everything that could cause blow out down

And just kinda too bright

So I turn exposure down and then its too dark to see any detail in dark areas

[shut violet]

if you want the game to look "correct" then you really have to use vanilla, but I agree that fixed can be a lot more realistic

[cerulean marsh]

I wish Capcom would just fix the HDR

:)

[shut violet]

why? RenoDX with vanilla exposure is a "Capcom style" fixed HDR

[cerulean marsh]

Cause its annoying that I have to run a mod to get decent hdr

[shut violet]

if you use the filmic preset then you also switched to pre grade which changes the "artistic vision" of the game

post grade is the "intended" look

[cerulean marsh]

Yeah

[shut violet]

post grade with vanilla exposure can look decent

[cerulean marsh]

I'll figure out something that I'm happy with eventually

[shut violet]

this is probably as good as it gets if you want to keep the vanilla look:
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this looks correct everywhere, in the tent/during cutscenes too

but ofc it not as raw/realistic looking as pre grade with fixed exposure

[ebon tide]

You better accept it especially with how easy it's to install

The industry won't shift to proper hdr until reno/luma become framework used by devs

[cerulean marsh]

Are Reno and Luma two sides of the same coin or are they different to some capacity?

learning more about HDR is a double edged sword and will probably make me hate HDR implementation in video games more but would also help me understand how to tune HDR better in my games

[ebon tide]

They are different but can achieve the same things hdr wise

Luma can do a lot more

https://youtu.be/15c1SKWD0cg

All you need are these videos : https://youtu.be/jDxpz_G98d8

https://youtu.be/_nHWLpc7E8I

Covers 99% of stuff.

For all non hdr games -> rtx hdr

[cerulean marsh]

I'm an AMD man

so I guess in those instances I would have to use autohdr yeah?

[ebon tide]

Yep

With sdr autotrc fix if reshade works

Or special K

Plenty of solutions

But autohdr is the simplest

[cerulean marsh]

And works on pretty much everything. Special K gets flagged by anti-cheats

[ebon tide]

Yeah

I wouldn't hdr competitive titles anyways

Like itm

Blows out highlights

You can end up losing more details

[cerulean marsh]

Haha you think I care about seeing?

Developers made the mistake of making their competitive video games look kinda good. I'm out here rolling in graphics instead of being an asset to my team

I think this might be my last 2 questions.

Should I keep my pixel format as RGB 4:4:4 or YCbCr 4:4:4?

What does Freesync color accuracy actually do? Is it another one of those features that's supposed to "Help" But doesn't actually or should I leave it enabled?

[cerulean marsh]

This is actually ridiculously helpful. I might be able to make baldur's gate actually look good!

[ebon tide]

Uhm just use renodx

[cerulean marsh]

I just mean learning to make the correct adjustments in general

[ebon tide]

Both are equal

Remove freesync color thing i think it's a pita

[cerulean marsh]

its a gamut mapper

[ebon tide]

Renodx fixes shaders in the core it does far more than reshade shaders can

[cerulean marsh]

Someone made a exposure fix mod for renodx so we don't get the weird instances where the exposure goes super dark

[remote goblet]

Hi,
I bought this game yesterday for €29 and I find it magnificent in native 4K Ultra FSR3 with frame generation. I'm locking my 55" OLED C4 at 144Hz, and there are no optimization issues; the game runs perfectly! I wanted to thank the creator of the RenoDX mod; it's night and day compared to the default HDR...
I'm looking for other RenoDX settings to test to further improve the visuals, even though they're already stunning. If anyone has any recommendations, I'd appreciate it, thanks!

PS: Currently, I'm only using the mod required to run RenoDX. Are there any other mods I should install? Thanks!

[cerulean marsh]

I highly recommend don't disable local exposure

Will help with the issues that arise from using RenoDX

Although I may ask why are you using FSR3 rather than 4?

7900xtx?

[remote goblet]

Hi!

Okay, I won't disable Local Exposure. Where can I find that setting?

Yes, I do have a 7900XTX, but I switched to FSR4 anyway. I was wary because it's an online game and I don't want to get banned for modifying the FSR SDK...

I copied Paul's settings mentioned above and it's clean; I also installed several mods...

[cerulean marsh]

You won't get banned.

Don't disable local exposure is another mod

[remote goblet]

Where can I find this "Local Exposure" option in Reframworks?

[cerulean marsh]

you have to download it from Nexus.

[remote goblet]

I'm having trouble understanding, is this a mod to download locally for exposure?

[cerulean marsh]

yes

[remote goblet]

Ah ok, so I just have to download this mod, that's all, nothing to configure?

[cerulean marsh]

Nah just follow the instructions

[remote goblet]

Okay, I'll quit my game and install this mod, with Fluffy. Thanks for the advice, boss.

[cerulean marsh]

also there are definitely optimization issues. You just happen to have a beast of a PC

I also see that you're on an OLED

[remote goblet]

Ah yes, clearly I know, at my place it runs perfectly in 4k high quality, FSR4 in quality with frame gen I'm between 120 and 144hz...

[cerulean marsh]

I got my black levels working better with some reshade stuff

but I can explain that in a sec

[remote goblet]

What kind of screen do you have, an OLED?

[cerulean marsh]

Yeah

the black levels even with RenoDX appear to be very slightly raised

at least on my Odyssey G60

[remote goblet]

I think the blacks look clean, but if there's a way to do better, I'm all ears. I'm going to close my game and download Local Exposure; I'll be back as soon as it's done in a few minutes.

[cerulean marsh]

with reshade I recommend updating your installation and adding the HDR shader effects

I couldn't get the black level fix effect to work properly for some reason so to get around it I just use SDR TRC (Or something similar I don't remember exactly what its called) Which emulates SDR black floor which pushes the blacks right down to zero

[remote goblet]

Is that it?

[cerulean marsh]

yeah

And this is just a personal preference but I also like to remove the game's built in LUT with another mod I think its called disable colorgrading

I like my games on the more saturated end but unfortunately the vanilla game's colors are a little bit overpowering in some areas. (Oilwell basin just turning WAY too red and orange during the firespring for example) And that mod removes instances like that so the color of the area you're in is actually based on the LIGHT SOURCE

like it should be

[remote goblet]

Thanks for the advice, but I'm not going to change anything else. I'm perfectly happy with the result Paul's settings and the installed mods. My game looks fantastic with RenoDX compared to without it...
Also, English isn't my first language, so I have to translate, and sometimes the translations aren't quite right. But with Local Exposur and the other mods, it's perfect, so thanks, boss!

[cerulean marsh]

No problem. I've spent hours tinkering with Wilds' graphics settings to try to get the best possible image. I think I might have pushed it to its absolute limit at this point

[remote goblet]

I imagine so, but for the moment it suits me very well as it is now, so thank you...

[shut violet]

PC on carpet?

[remote goblet]

XD, yes, there's insulation work going on in my apartment right now, that's why it's on the floor; otherwise, it's on a table 😉. By the way, your RenoDx settings are pretty good; I copied your screenshot...

[fading cape]

was looking for this thread on the renodx server i forgot it hasn't been moved

yikes whats going on with vanilla

clouds are pure white lost all details

has it always been like this?

[merry tartan]

Like without renodx?

[fading cape]

No this is vanilla renodx

[merry tartan]

Might be their local exposure then

[shut violet]

it looks like fog

[vivid pendant]

has anyone here tested out this new mod? https://www.nexusmods.com/monsterhunterwilds/mods/3561?tab=description
says it fixes the issues with renodx's pre-grade exposure by forcing vanilla's local exposure
i'm about to test it myself but i don't know if i'll personally be able to tell if it looks correct or not

[merry tartan]

Oooo interesting

@dense knot

[dense knot]

Post comparisons if you can

[vivid pendant]

Mod Off vs Mod On (both in the grand hub tent during daytime)

(using the Filmic preset)

[merry tartan]

that looks way different lol

SDR in particular is absolutely cooked with filmic

in the tent

[dawn harness]

That looks a lot more than just local exposure being toggled on/off

Wait, is time of day changing in those two, lol

I forget if that affected the tent

[merry tartan]

I think it does

[remote goblet]

Hi, for some time now I've been experiencing AMD driver error crashes. I've installed mods and RenoDX, and someone suggested I update the ReShade addon. How do I do that? Because ReShade is up to date now, but my game still has the old version. Do I have to repeat this process every time there's an update?

[dense knot]

Download the latest reshade installer and just install it as you normally would. It'll ask if you want to update or not

[fading cape]

Surely we get performance improvement announcements today for the event

[trim tangle]

Fucking lmao ~ they didn't make use of mesh LODs??????

Seems to me that UE5-esque shit has really rotted the games industry...

Don't bother with LODs ~ shit like Nanite / etc will do it for you! Yeah, turns out that doesn't work in practice...

What's old is new again, roflmao

Also, is it really taking them this long to implement them...?
I guess it might, if they have to do it for every model, if they didn't before...

[trim tangle]

https://info.monsterhunter.com/wilds/update/en-us/Ver.1.040.00.00.html

[shut violet]

weird yea, Dragons Dogma 2 is not using them either I guess

RE Engine weirdness

[dense knot]

Meshlets and Nanite still use LODs

[thin fjord]

I don't know that they weren't, can't even trust the information they give you on their fixes.

there was that guy modding the meshes on nexus to reduce polycount

never tried it so not sure if it actually did something.

[trim tangle]

This, I think? https://www.nexusmods.com/monsterhunterwilds/mods/2232

[thin fjord]

Yeah. I think Capcom is just going to add additional lods, to avoid the super low poly issue on devices with less rams

But man, the balance changes in the patch notes made me depressed.

This game balance keeps going in the opposite direction I wanted it to go.

[trim tangle]

This is where the multiplayer aspect tends to ruin things. :|

With a single player focus, you can balance things around a story progression and the expected power a player will probably have.

Really, I think they overtuned focus mode and the wounding system way too much. And now everything else suffers.

I played Iceborne with the clutch claw removal rebalance mod and that was a whole lot of fun...

Not sure if there's anything that does something similar with Wilds

[thin fjord]

It's all put of whack for sure, starting with the story. There is literally no progression during the early parts of the game, it's all back loaded into the endgame just like the difficulty and now they are playing cat and mouse where they buff the monsters one patch and the hunter the next. Replayability is non existent too.

[trim tangle]

Yeah, it's crazy. They should have kept an official low rank as the tutorial for all of that, and then took off the kiddie gloves for high rank.

[thin fjord]

There was actual progression in World and really tough hunts sprinkled even in low rank, that forced people to engage with the mechanics instead of just cruising the whole time.

Feel like if you are new to the franchise and start with this game you come out of the story having learned very little, since very little is asked of you and then you get overwhelmed by all the systems all at once in the end game.

[trim tangle]

Yeah, it's a little much

Status effects actually meant something in World ~ they were a real danger you needed to pay attention to, and low and high rank made it not so easy to get full resistance without sacrificing something else, and often needed to hunt the monsters who had that status to get resistance to that status.

Health and damage and armour values weren't too obscene ~ you needed health boost to get that extra health, and that meant sacrificing something else.

Though elemental damage only had meaning in master rank... and against the TU expansions

[thin fjord]

Yeah elemental damage was balanced weirdly but overall the general balance of the game was much better.

[shut violet]

Iceborn is the superior game by far

I will never forget my first successful solo Fatalis run

[viscid yoke]

I agree, I don’t really feel like I had an Anjanath, Nerg, or Barioth moment in Wilds where they were a real skill/gear check throughout the main story

Feel like most of the “challenge” in wilds didn’t really start until the tempered apex hunts

[vivid pendant]

(sorry to jump into a random conversation and rant...)

i'm obsessed with wilds but the progression is genuinely garbage and it's not fixable (for the main story at least)
for some reason they wanted to rush everyone to the endgame but then (at least on launch) there was literally no endgame to be had

the difficulty curve has been busted since world to try and appeal to a more casual audience and the games have suffered for it (and i say this as someone who started with world - the older games are so much more difficult throughout the whole game and they're much more satisfying because of that, progressing through GU was a wonderfully slow grind)

also the difficulty in general has been messed up because monster hunter was previously designed around hunts being tests of endurance and properly utilizing limited resources (both items and time) to make it through, but apparently capcom themselves didn't even realize that because they considered mid-hunt restocking to be a "quality of life change" when it's literally the biggest gameplay change the series has ever received, so now hunts are extremely easy unless monsters can kill you outright with single attacks or quick combos

but i'm still playing this stupid laggy game because sometimes the combat and art hits different in a way that nothing else can
(and the renodx mod genuinely elevates the visuals so much its crazy, this game is easily my favorite HDR experience right now)

[fading cape]

but how else would they sell their gooner/fortnite cosmetics they're a small indie company they don't have infinite funds

[thin fjord]

indeed, there are still really good things about the game that no other franchise provides. I am just sad because every change they make seems to take it further away from that, which means they are committed to this direction and I fear that it will eventually become something I won't enjoy.

[vivid pendant]

same
i'm hoping that the next portable game combines what i like about rise and wilds and not what i dislike about each of them instead
sunbreak was an incredible improvement over the base game so i feel like the portable team has a good idea of what they're doing now with modern monster hunter, but we'll see

[trim tangle]

Oddly, Nergi was very smooth for me ~ maybe it was Insect Glaive, but he's always been simple for me. (Arch-Tempered is a WHOLE other story, holy shit.)

[trim tangle]

It used to be that the easy monsters got subspecies variants that also made them more difficult in terms of moveset. No mere artificial star, health sponge and damage boost difficulty.

Basically, increased horizontal difficulty instead of just vertical difficulty.

At some point, vertical difficulty is just unfun.

[fading cape]

anyone tested performance?

[fading cape]

seems like there's lots of shader cache issues so make sure to delte the cache before

[thin fjord]

is out?

[fading cape]

yeah

[vivid pendant]

haven't done any actual testing yet (just attempted gog once and failed right at the end...) but just anecdotally it feels a little smoother (could just be the difference of not having renodx enabled though)
i will say the game looks insanely grainy and there was ghosting on some things (notably scoutflies) that definitely weren't an issue for me before
i'm assuming the grain is the vanilla sharpening but it felt stronger than i remember, and the ghosting is new

definitely not any huge performance gains i don't think
they already showed a comparison before the launch showing an extremely small improvement in framerates

[silk blaze]

I haven't checked. I am in the process of trying to figure out what is preventing my game from booting up. I disabled all my mods, got the latest nightly from yesterday, and deleted the .lua autorun files in reframework too.

[undone hare]

I needed to uninstall reshade

[violet helm]

reshade/reno works if you have ref, but ref will currently crash if the ultrawide fix is enabled

[undone hare]

hmm weird

[silk blaze]

Oof I play on UW so guess I will check that if I can edit it through a file. I am unable to boot up at all to do that.

[violet helm]

deleting the ref config would work

or you could just edit the config yeah

[lime temple]

anyone else renodx deep fries the image?

[violet helm]

Not here, is it a constant thing for you or in specific areas

[silk blaze]

Looks like it was the Ultrawidefix which is strange.

I was able to just turn it to false in the re2_fw_config.txt

[lime temple]

it was fine yesterday before the update

[undone hare]

hmm weird. whenever I reinstall reshade it dies. probably doing something wrong on my end

[violet helm]

and that’s with latest ref nightly?

[undone hare]

oh that may be it

[silk blaze]

The game now froze on the ripple opening but audio kept playing. Now the game doesn't boot again Back to the drawing board.

[lime temple]

restarted game now its fine... i have no idea.

[violet helm]

fresh ref config + ensuring your reframework folder is empty (for now)

barely any lua stuff works atm

most pak mods don’t work whatsoever either

[silk blaze]

Yeah, that is normal for a big update or any in general. All my mods are disabled for now. So I will just need to do a clean reframework for now.

Guess not 😐 still freezing up after deleting all the configs, reframework folder, and mods still being disabled lol.

~~Only last option is reshade I will have to try.~~Nope, not reshade either.

[thin fjord]

Hopefully I don't have to patch my camera mod

[undone hare]

issue for me was sk

[silk blaze]

I give for now. I will play it when the fixes are out for mods/RF and the game does mini hotfixes as well.

[lime temple]

Ok the exposure type and exposure strength sliders are broken for me. pretty much only deep fried visuals when in sunlight.

[merry tartan]

oh no, does the mod need an update?

[lime temple]

I have no idea. No one else is having renodx specific issues.

[merry tartan]

saw someone on nexus saying things broke (but this happens almost every update only to find out nothing broke)

[lime temple]

Yeah saw that as well lol

[silk blaze]

That is usually people that forget to remove mods :S

[tender portal]

definately broke

fixed exposure anyway

isnt usable anymore

[silk blaze]

I gave it ago because it was bothering me lol... I am able to boot the game now. My main issue was having dlssg-to-fsr3 so rip me not having framegen on my 3080 now. I also had to delete the autorun mods in reframework as well as the re2_fw_config.txt and ref_ui.ini to have a clean settings.

I plan to add the autorun mods one by one to see which is broken still.

Oh and yeah enabling the ultrawidefix immediately crashed the game when I tried it while in-game.

As far as reno it was working for me but I use default settings except for the UI brightness.

[tender portal]

so far its just exposure settings that dont work

everything else seems fine

[silk blaze]

Opposite for me now that I am seeing. The UI brightness does nothing but exposure seems to work for me.

[tender portal]

switching from pre-grade to post-grade does something?

[silk blaze]

I am not seeing any changes on that

[tender portal]

and also going from vanilla to fixed exposure?

[silk blaze]

I guess nothing for exposure type, exposure strength, and lut exposure on my end.

I cannot tell right now if the filmgrain/vignette do anything but the RCAS sharpening does work.

[tender portal]

im so confused i thought u said exposure was working on ur end lmao

[silk blaze]

I thought you meant the color grading because that slider does change stuff

[tender portal]

😭

all good

[silk blaze]

I misread the fixed portion

I just want my UW fix back lol. Not gonna play with those small black bars on an OLED for long hours.

As far as performance goes I am getting frame drops still but it could be because the shaders still need to compile all over the place. I am barely sitting around 64 frames with DLSS performance on my 3080 😐 I will need to figure out if the nukem mode works on other .dll files.

[merry tartan]

guess the mod will need an update

@dense knot seems the update broke things. I can try taking a look sometime tomorrow unless you'd like to.

[dense knot]

Busy with the Vulkan stuff so I'll leave it to you

[rustic bridge]

what about reframework? does it still work with new update?

[rustic bridge]

good news, REFramework still works and the shaders effect are still the same

my shader toggler file for people interested in

[magic pawn]

Hello everyone !
I was planning to properly reinstall MH Wilds

I just need to install REframework and the RenoDX addon?

I'm going to launch the vanilla game first, given all the updates I've missed.

[magic pawn]

dont work , the game crash before the end of shaders compilation

[glacial plank]

I feel like something changed about reno presets I've used pre-patch

do you guys feel the same or am I tripping

feels like it looks different now in a bad way

[scenic mortar]

Absolutely.
Those 3 settings seem broken and do nothing.

[glacial plank]

game also stutters like hell now

not even sure why and how to fix that

man

already tried redownloading all the shaders with and withut reno

and getting latest reframework (2 days ago)

still stutters like crazy especially during cutscenes

[fading cape]

you clear your cache before playing?

[unborn edge]

Are you using AMD graphics cards? I've seen quite a few people report reduced performance with this patch. And try to delete the "shader.cache2" file in the game directory.

[glacial plank]

the reason for stutters funnily enough was the mod to reduce/disable subtitles

after removing it it got better

[thin fjord]

should I still be decompressing textures or did they improve taht somewhat?

[thin fjord]

yeah a lot of mods seem to stutter now, got reports on my mod that it is happening to people

wonder if this is an issue with ref hooks

would wait for an REF update for the game before using any mods

[glacial plank]

tbh I would just love the reno update and it'll be okay to play

funnily enough even botched reno is still like 10 times better than native HDR

lol

[tender frost]

Hi, ReShade crashes me no matter what I do, I updated ReShade to the latest version also tried to disable Reno plugin thinking maybe it was the cause

Without reshade the game launches.
Before anyone asks of course I clear shader cache (the shader/shader2 file on the game root folder) in between tries with and without ReShade

I am using it via SK injection though if it matters

ReFramework also working fine as long as I don't apply ultra-wide fix since it makes the game crash

Error is kinda nasty and would worry me alot about my GPU without knowing the game is perfectly running fine without ReSahde:

[fading cape]

The high resolution pack improvements are supposed to be in the January update so I doubt anything changed

[fading cape]

Are you on the latest drivers?

[tender frost]

yes, 591.44

it just worked with this config last weekend with TU3

I disabled all reframework mods just in case

only reframework + SK is running

Imma restart. maybe it helps 😄

[merry tartan]

I had crashing issues too, had to delete my reframework config

[thin fjord]

would refrain from using reframework at all until it gets patched

[tender frost]

hmm with local injection (without SK plugin hooks) ReShade works

oh well new TU, new trials and errors, gotta love it, I really hope performance improvements are real 😄

now that Reshade loads properly Reno addon works (partially as others mentioned)

[tender frost]

without reframework you can't even load ReShade, remember the anti-temper stuff -which reframework disables- causes crash on launch otherwise

[thin fjord]

yes, just know apparently they upgrade the engine version or something to that effect. So ref might be unstable.

[tender frost]

I am just testing what works and what not at this point, actually playing the game is not my priority anyways 😄

[thin fjord]

fair

[merry tartan]

Unfortunately what changed is one of the most annoying things to fix

Decompiling all the shaders, hopefully I can just regex em

[glacial plank]

they just cannot let us enjoy a beautiful game

I uninstalled reno to see if it would fix my stutters and god

hdr/non hdr base MH wilds looks ATROCIOUS

[thin fjord]

yeah it's deep fried

[oak sapphire]

So the most recent REframework nightly build from 2 days ago still not good enough I guess?

[tender frost]

I don't have stutters. 0 reframework mods, reshade/reno and uncompressed assets, not using high res dlc textures though

apparently reframework mods cause stuttering for now at least some people say so, I just removed all of my mods since some of the mods I had crashing me during opening map, I was lazy and removed all mods 😄

It performs as it was before TU4 to be honest but I have a 9950X3D cpu, so I was not that much cpu limited and the changes from capcom supposed to help with that mostly for now...

not nearly enough of a "performance update"...

[glacial plank]

it worked okay for me, but I still had some occasional stutters which I don't know what they could be caused by

the problem with removing all mods or reframework, it means you're removing the lense distortion removal too

which makes the game look awful as well

god I hate these devs

they didn't even include an option to disable subtitles

[tender frost]

true...

[glacial plank]

we have to fine tune every thing with mods only

I was pretty excited of playing with a friend today

but I left with so much hate and even uninstalled the game

[tender frost]

yeah I understand but what did you expect? with big Title Updates things get broken more often than not. It is always better to mentally prepare and accept to play the content couple of days later -.-

[glacial plank]

yeah I guess I forgot about that

and about how much shit is required to make the game look and run well

[tender frost]

I just configured the game run at its minimum acceptable(for my taste anyways) state and closed the game after checking performance with couple of hunts without touching any new content.

I will return back once reframework updated properly since ultrawide fix is also crashing the game..

[glacial plank]

good choice for sure

but I got also tired of the latest new content

it doesn't seem like good fun hunts

just a lot of weird gimmicks

but maybe that's just burn out from mh overall talking

[violet helm]

hop (back) onto Frontier

[sonic thicket]

Is there an actual use for lens distortion?

[glacial plank]

yes it makes the game look blurry and bad

so if a sadist would develop a game

they would add that

[sonic thicket]

Thats what i mean

[glacial plank]

I think it could have good use aesthetically in some niche games/scenes

[sonic thicket]

should at least be toggleable w/out needing a mod

[glacial plank]

but here it's just awful

[glacial plank]

frontier?

[tender frost]

I always hated big godzilla vibe siege fights in MH except Kulve Aletron and Fatalis even if I loved those I still love regular smaller form factor monster hunts more because of hitboxes and stuff like that

[glacial plank]

yeah especially with mh wilds camera

like, fighting gore magala is more about fighting camera sometimes

[violet helm]

MH Frontier?

[glacial plank]

oh, never heard about it

I doubt I'll hop onto something that old tho

[violet helm]

highly highly recommend playing it, esp if youre burnt out from modern MH

Renewal is a fantastic private server for it

[trim tangle]

Various REFramework scripts seem outright broken, though, unfortunately

[trim tangle]

They're still using DirectStorage, so... yes, unfortunately.

[trim tangle]

I find the advice of "removing all mods" to not be great ~ just move them all to a different folder, and test them piecemeal. Some will take "remove" to mean "delete" and just feels pointless...

[trim tangle]

I never burned out on World, funnily enough. I did with Wilds.

[violet helm]

as annoying as the clutch claw was, its not in your face the same way focus mode is

[glacial plank]

I feel you on that, but in the world where you have like 2-3 hours to play after work, doing the QA job to make the game work feels so bad lol

[trim tangle]

There are mods to remove clutch claw, happily

[trim tangle]

Alas, yes

[trim tangle]

(Need to install in order, as they overwrite ~ makes HR base game a bit too easy, as it applies to the wounding formula to everything, so you should only enable for MR.)
Anti-claw HZV revamp: https://www.nexusmods.com/monsterhunterworld/mods/4103
Base MHWorld Hitzone Value: https://www.nexusmods.com/monsterhunterworld/mods/5224
Remove Clagger: https://www.nexusmods.com/monsterhunterworld/mods/3452
Armor Skill Fixes - Weakness Exploit Maximum Might and Fortify: https://www.nexusmods.com/monsterhunterworld/mods/2923

[violet helm]

Hell yeah, thanks for all that

[undone hare]

Same issue on my end. I can do either Reshade+Ref or SK+Ref but not all three. Had all three working in all previous TUs like you

[merry tartan]

I haven't played this in a while, did they ever fix the reflex stutter? Is SK still kinda needed?

[undone hare]

Not sure since I've used it from day 1. I mainly use it for native frame pacing

[merry tartan]

https://discord.com/channels/1408098019194310818/1423918603035476041

this is a good replacement for that purpose

[undone hare]

Oh, that's handy. Thanks!

[merry tartan]

welp, I've got what kinda seems like the one new permutation of the "normal" post processing output shader in here. Problem is I'm struggling to get the shader figured out for gliding and some monster effects, so the good old flashing problem is here

might have to wait for ritsu to be around to see if he remembers how we figured it out...

[rustic bridge]

mh wilds made to my top 3 game of 2025 😄

[silk blaze]

Still no nightly reframework update yet huh. I guess most the modders need it to t start putting out updates.

[lime temple]

reframework works fine no?

[vivid pendant]

it can load but it's pretty broken

[lime temple]

rip

[tender frost]

its Christmas time, devs also have their lives outside of their projects, it is unfortunate but expected to have delays. It might take even longer if the underlying engine changes are more substantial than your average content only title updates. I don't know the credibility of the information but I heard that this TU has introduced a newer version of RE engine.

Not sure if forwarding a message from another server is allowed but this is from Monster Hunter Modding

[glacial plank]

damn that's quite a lot of time before we can enjoy the game fully it seems

[scenic mortar]

sadly

Idc about reframework but the default lightning in this game is ass

[thin fjord]

this game has a lot of unpleasant visuals. you can see some screen space pattern in the floor in the Oil Basin place, super distracting.

[merry tartan]

I went back into the witcher mines. I'll take another look and see if I can figure this out today, hopefully

[silk blaze]

I totally understand. I am just surprised how many of the mods cannot be fixed without reframework. I think I saw something about a 2.0 SDK pack or something.

[viscid yoke]

That’s crapcom for ya

Wanting to support modders but also hating them every step of the way

[merry tartan]

• updated HDR path for TU4 (I might be missing a shader still, please look out for issues reminscent of old builds)
• upgrade renodrt to use hermite spline

guessing SDR is also broken and I did not try to fix that yet

[glacial plank]

the goat

[merry tartan]

• update SDR path for TU4 (and finally make filmic work right)
• fix tent brightness in HDR and SDR

was the tent brightness always messed up?

can't remember

[merry tartan]

oh right, I guess it was always an issue. It should be fixed now without this

though maybe I broke something else by doing this and ritsu didn't do it for a reason lol

sorry for rapid fire builds

• slightly tweak tonemapping parameters in SDR mode (won't crush as much)

if nobody mentions any issues with this build, I'll post to nexus tomorrow. I'm out of time for testing

@dense knot could you update the pinned message when you get a chance?

[ebon tide]

@merry tartan

ok bro you gotta hear this

the guy who made the rehydrated preset

has made the most cursed shit

with renodx

you quickly understand why he says "hdr has no standards" or whatver bullshit

because holy crap he has no clue wtf he's doing

his default hdr preset has renodx set to 420 peak - 400 paper white - 400 ui brightness

PLUS he has lilium tonemapping shader in reshade enabled with 800 nits clip from 10000 signal

[merry tartan]

Perhaps he made it on one of those fake HDR monitors

That’s the kind of thing that “looks good” there since the panel is capable of bright SDR only

[dawn harness]

Just tell bro to use RTX HDR.

[ebon tide]

he has an lg oled

[dawn harness]

We don’t claim him.

Why is his peak 400? Monitor?

[ebon tide]

i mean at least he says to set reno peak to your monitor but why is lilium tonemap there aswell

should be 800

lilium shader is 800

[merry tartan]

Wonder what settings he uses

[merry tartan]

I didn't realize you could clip with lilium's tonemapping shader

that could be handy actually lol

[ebon tide]

but reno already does that

[ebon tide]

doesn't it ?

🤔

[merry tartan]

I'm just thinking in terms of doing quick and dirty hdr vs sdr stuff

[ebon tide]

ah ye

[thin fjord]

Guy probably doing hdr on sdr

[thin fjord]

No shot

[merry tartan]

probably just another example of "how do I know it's bright if it's not white"

the people yearn for rtx hdr etc etc

[merry tartan]

so uh....how do you force shaders to recompile now?

I deleted the cache and it didn't recompile

[thin fjord]

Ddu, when all else fails

[merry tartan]

just gotta hope I don't need to add more shaders to the mod

[vivid pendant]

supposedly they "sped up" the shader compilation in TU4 by making some of them compile during gameplay...
not sure if that affects it?

(not 100% sure if it's true or not though)

[merry tartan]

I don't know what exactly is at fault but this game is like, taking out my whole system sometimes when I boot it. It stutters like mad and then it just won't close down. Took 5 minutes for task manager to open, and then it couldn't force close the app.

feels like it's just filling RAM

[oak sapphire]

so with this reno update, i guess i just use the most recent nightly REF from 5 days ago?

[merry tartan]

that's what I used to make the update

[oak sapphire]

thanks jon

[merry tartan]

idk if there's a better option right now, reframework has problems apparently

[oak sapphire]

yeah, anyone having any issues cuz of all this yet?

havent tried myself yet

[merry tartan]

my game is working the worst it's every worked rn and I'm trying to figure out why 😅

no reframework no reshade, works fine

[thin fjord]

reframework is broken, might cause issues

[merry tartan]

about to try only reframework now

[thin fjord]

ultrawide support is broken and most scripts have issues

[merry tartan]

(my god I forgot just how high the APL is in this game)

just reframework is working fine

okay well it's working fine now lol

I'm gonna post the build to nexus, it's certainly not in a worse spot than the current one

[cerulean marsh]

Updated Renodx, seems like reshade still cannot properly detect the colorspace

I cannot get Lilium's blackfloor fix to work

[merry tartan]

Was working fine with latest reshade + reframework

[cerulean marsh]

RenoDX is working perfectly just keep getting an error on black floor fix

like it for some reason can't tell that I have hdr on

[dense knot]

You don't need blackfloor fix with renodx

[cerulean marsh]

blacks don't seem to be quite black even with Reno, at least before TU4

Something about the tonemapping changed this update though

[lime temple]

UI Brightness slider is not working for me.

[silk blaze]

Yeah, I just got on the game with the latest reno and it isn't working for me either. The exposure type and exposure strength are working again. I am not sure what they do but they seem to be working.

I personally still use BFF because the game still has that grey tint.

I also do not know what changed with the recent MHW reno but I was not able to load my game if I had the camera option enabled on reframework. Everything worked fine until I updated the reno and I had to disable it. The game would not boot and crash with it enabled.

[tender frost]

Camera mods and ultrawide fix stuff are broken in reframework folks. Any mod touches camera apis in reframework will also crash

[silk blaze]

Yeah, mine was surprisingly working fine for the camera but it stopped today.

[merry tartan]

Oh, forgot to fix UI brightness I guess

[merry tartan]

just created a thread on the renodx discord as well

sorry to uproot discussion, it's just easier to keep up with things in one place

[stoic lynx]

does having renodx/reshade still make you lose 20 frames?

or has the last renodx update fixed that

[merry tartan]

I don’t think it ever did that 🤔

Maybe if you keep default reshade addons enabled

[graceful vale]

new REF nightly just pushed with some fixeshttps://github.com/praydog/REFramework-nightly/releases

[tender frost]

at least ultra fix thing is fixed with his update. It is beyond me how capcom still does not fix this simple problem

[silk blaze]

Just booted up and the ultrawide fix does work now. At least now I can play the game more now without the nasty bars on an OLED

Random offtopic but is there a way to be notified on file updates in Github some how. I was never able to find a notify so I know when certain mods get updated.

RE is one of those I always want to be notified if there is an update rather than checking every week.

Just tested Nukem dlssg-to-fsr3 and it looks like it is working again for me with the new RE. At least the update fixed the two main issues I wanted and now I can use DLSS FG again 😭

[fading cape]

I swear i had just looked at that like 2 hours ago and it wasn't there

what is the vanilla pak count anyway?

[tender frost]

pak numbers provided by capcom updates

for title update 4 they added up until _13.pak

you can only replace files up until that count, so if you have texture mod, you cannot just do "...14.pak" like you could in the past with compatible reframework

[fading cape]

just found this lmao

under wilds

[tender frost]

gotta be the furry gemma 😄

[fading cape]

yup

[graceful vale]

1206 now up with more fixes

[fading cape]

everytime i look at it they update it right after

[fading cape]

just tapped into the new update for the first time FPS def not any better than the last time i played

getting worse to the same fps

like 50fps in the grand hub

[violet helm]

It's very dependent on your hardware and settings. Notably, 8GB GPUs got a massive bump in perf

Also the game now caches shaders in the background (smh) for an additional 10-15 minutes after the initial shader comp screen

Potentially could revert back the previous shader compilation behavior by changing EcoShaderCache=True in config.ini to EcoShaderCache=False, but I can't be bothered to check

[violet helm]

I am def getting a higher avg fps in addition to far more stable frametimes, even in the ghub, asset streaming is still shit though ofc

[fading cape]

yeah i did notice the compilation screen ended sooner thats nice

[violet helm]

I mean its still compiling them after that screen passes, and itd be harming your perf for as long as it takes to still compile in the background

[silk blaze]

Pfft I sometimes get about 30-40 frames when a bunch of people are near.

[fading cape]

yeah atleast i can play the game without waiting 5 years now though

i genuinely think i can redownload the game (without 4k textures) faster than it used to take to compile

[silk blaze]

I rather it compile faster than me sitting around for 10 minutes for it to do it and still semi compile while playing.

[violet helm]

what dinosaur CPU are you using

[fading cape]

7800x3d

[tender frost]

or you could ask what kind of blazing internet service he is using lol

[violet helm]

that too

[fading cape]

yeah i get like 1.4gbps download lol

[violet helm]

i can’t imagine the 9800x3d has that much leverage over the 7800 when it comes to compiling

ah yeah, 1gbps here

[tender frost]

performance is definitely a bit better than before after the behind the scenes shader compilation settles in.. but still not enough, lets see upcoming 2 updates

[violet helm]

it seems this perf pass was mostly done with console spec in mind. January is the solely PC-focused one, so I’d sure hope so 😭🙏

[tender frost]

we have to see.. but GPU usage is much better for me now and it leaves more room for Reshade/RenoDX than before which is a good change, I expected this update to be all about CPU

[violet helm]

I also expected more CPU improvements. Hopefully the Hi-Res improvements included next month implies that they’re also improving asset streaming across the board

DirectStorage is still leveraging the CPU to my knowledge

[tender frost]

I decompress them already... so it happens on CPU anyways for me

GPU direct storage only works if the assets are comressed via GDeflate AFAIK

[violet helm]

not even sure why i brought up direct storage being on the CPU lol

asset streaming on my end is so bad that occasionally different audio sources will cutout, IE the music

[trim tangle]

Performance might improve if they just removed DirectStorage entirely. It's never had good results on PC games, as far as I can tell.

[silk blaze]

Looks like there is a 01207 update but I am not sure where to see the change logs at.

[graceful vale]

https://discord.ly/modding-haven-718224210270617702

This discord is where I’m seeing them

[alpine tree]

I just replaced the file with this new one but my usual renodx interface doesn't appear did I do something wrong?

[silk blaze]

Latest renodx works fine for me and I still see the addon tab for it. Is it possible your folder is missing the addon and some how got deleted.

[merry tartan]

sounds likely that something went wrong setting it up yeah

[alpine tree]

Hmm I just switched back to my old one and it works immediately again for some reason

[merry tartan]

Did you update reshade?

probably needs latest

[alpine tree]

Oh you are indeed correct

Thank you for saving me

[alpine tree]

Which Reshade presets go well with Renodx? Or is it overkill?

[merry tartan]

it's preference at the end of the day

I wouldn't use any reshade presets with it personally

[graceful vale]

i had a feeling that the link wouldnt work lol

its havens night modding discord idk if its private now or what

[pine cedar]

Hi, I only use SDR but is there a way to remove these weird banding on clouds with renodx

im on vanilla+ preset

[fading cape]

thats weird never seen that doesn't look like banding to me

does it show if you change to filmic

or if you change to pre-grade exposure? (with vanilla on)

[pine cedar]

worse in filmic for me 😅

[pine cedar]

well vanilla+ is already on pre-grade exposure

reducing to much lower exposure strength makes it disappear (29 value) but its too dim

nvm i had to increase exposure value to 2 to make it look better. thanks

[cerulean marsh]

That seems really weird and more like a color depth problem to me

Although it wouldn't make sense for it to still show on a different screen if it was just a limited color range

Well actually it could be if you only use SDR, color conversion might be weird

I do not really recommend using a maxed out exposure strength even on an HDR monitor

[pine cedar]

yeah it might be because im on sdr

[pine cedar]

yep i just reverted to defaults because some areas are too bright/dark

[cerulean marsh]

I just booted up the game I have the same issue. Weird

[pine cedar]

the banding thingy only appears on clouds tho

[cerulean marsh]

I'm having my own entirely unique issue though for some reason screen vignette or blurring effects appear black and darken my entire screen

I gotta work right now so I can't troubleshoot the issue right away but I've been having issues with RenoDX not working quite right since TU4 came out

[cerulean marsh]

I have probably spent the most time playing with settings like ever.

Pretty much everyone is right, reshade presets overall kind of just suck. This isn't because the people making them don't know what they're doing (Well... Sometimes)

Its just that everyone is on different screens and has different preferences. There's no way someone else would be able to make a reshade preset that actually looks good unless they're on the exact same set up with the exact same settings. You'll always have to do some kind of tweaking to get it to your liking.

I don't really recommend any reshade effects for wilds either, the game doesn't deliver a clean enough picture to really take advantage of most effects and some of the more robust shaders hurt performance too much to recommend actually using

I do like using the ambient light effect though, set to "Light dependent" It sort of restores the game's LUT (That I disable because it looks bad) But in a more natural and less intense way. I feel like my screen should be a reddish orange if I'm in a volcano and very blue when I'm standing in the middle of a very blue body of water

Sort of gives a global illumination-like effect- without the intense performance hit some GI shaders have

[pine cedar]

also affects the sun vanilla+ and filmic

[cerulean marsh]

any other visual mods installed?

Like disable post processing possibly?

[pine cedar]

only disable lens distortion mod

[cerulean marsh]

Yeah that shouldn't be causing that

[pine cedar]

not really a big prob tho since i dont really look up that much in this game

[merry tartan]

The banding is normal and I think there in vanilla too, it’s just so low contrast it doesn’t stick out as much

[cerulean marsh]

I guess that makes sense. I just never noticed it before

[merry tartan]

The game needs dithering

Or resources upgrades but we can’t do that iirc

[cerulean marsh]

frustrating. Any idea what the screen darkening effect I've been getting is? I suspect it might have something to do with a script error with disable post-processing but I'm not sure

Only happens when some kind of screen effect is active like the edge blurring during monster roars, the flash from flash pods

[merry tartan]

You have to have certain things enabled in that mod otherwise it breaks Reno

Check the nexus page, pinned comment (on mobile rn sorry)

[cerulean marsh]

That tracks

Alright

[thin fjord]

anyone tested decompressed textures yet?

[violet helm]

I think DigitalFoundry did actually

do not quote me on this 😭

[pine cedar]

is there a way to only use the feature of renodx that disables the game's horrible sharpening. but i get to use the game's default brightness sliders?

[glacial plank]

I think you're right

[thin fjord]

oh I meant after the update

[glacial plank]

that was after the update

iirc they mentioned you don't need decompressed now but it's still a small boost

[merry tartan]

No, but you could set it up easily with the shadertoggler reshade addon

Mpaul also posted a preset that should look close to vanilla

Really though the mod should probably be reworked to be more vanilla friendly with options to do what we did to it…

[cerulean marsh]

Reshade still just seems to have a problem detecting that I'm in HDR

[knotty cypress]

is this game using nvapi

[cerulean marsh]

What do you mean?

[knotty cypress]

nvidia's api for hdr instead of directx

wait nvm its not

[merry tartan]

Yeah. easiest fix is to simply toggle hdr off/on in the game menu

[cerulean marsh]

I guess I can try that again it didn't work last time I did

Seems to only affect reshade and not renodx which is the weird part. I want to be able to use lilium's hdr analysis but it just won't let me.

[thin fjord]

did it anyway I have the storage space, might as well.

[carmine hare]

It's genuinely crazy how good this game looks when you remove 15 layers of bad processing and color grading

[thin fjord]

man dlc textures still stutter

[trim tangle]

I guess there's just no way to make DirectStorage not suck for PC... at least it's possible to mod the game to decompress them

[violet helm]

dlc texture optimization is in January according to the roadmap

[thin fjord]

Yeah, guess we'll just have to wait.

At least now I can get higher than 60 fps and can even do dlss balanced instead of performance. So I won't complain as much.

[cerulean marsh]

The fix for the high res textures is supposed to come in January

[polar dust]

Has anyone else encountered a similar problem?

[cerulean marsh]

verify your game files

that is definitely not an issue with Renodx or any adjascent mods

Although your game does look very over exposed in the highlights

Or if you have any mod that modifies how the seikret looks

[polar dust]

I don't have any mod about seikret

The only suspicious mod is the Disable Post Processing Effects

I don't think that is the reason

[cerulean marsh]

That shouldn't cause anything remotely similar to that either

[polar dust]

hmmmm

[cerulean marsh]

Either there is a PAK file that is corrupted and needs to be verified or your system is maxing out its VRAM and cannot load meshes or textures correctly

[polar dust]

Let me troubleshoot my mod list

🤓 I found it

Performance Booster Re-Model

Might be the reason why

[cerulean marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/rocket-raccoon-i-am-groot-shorts-bradley-cooper-what-am-i-reading-gif-27609014

Almost definitely

That mod hasn't seen a full scale update since before TU3

last I checked anyway

[polar dust]

It's weird

There's no problem until I installed the RenoDX

Yes

Solved

🥳

[cerulean marsh]

IIRC the Reengine fileloader still is a bit buggy this patch so there's a chance it was just interacting weird

[silk blaze]

Did you try deleting your shader.cache2 since the release of TU4. There are a lot of shader issues going on right now.

Nevermind I just saw you fixed it due to mod related issue

[fading cape]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/MonsterHunter/comments/1pu2gdr/gemma_in_all_her_glory/

[rustic bridge]

that sux, i keep crashing with injectors. I'm staying on vanilla game.

I'm surprised they managed to increase the performance.

In low preset, i can hit 100fps.

the engine is still struggling when the camera has very far distant objects to draw

[thin fjord]

try renaming reshade from dxgi to d3d12.dll and put it in the reframework plugins folders. has worked well for me

yeah I struggled to get stable 60fps on 4k performance now I get ~80 on 4k balanced

and I think I am mostly cpu bound tho

[fresh lake]

I still get 1:1 frame rate but I assume whatever they fixed didn't affect my setup.

[rustic bridge]

i gave the latest ref build a try and it's stable so far.
https://github.com/praydog/REFramework-nightly/releases

last reshade 6.6.2 as dxgi.dll

[pine cedar]

they did increased the performance but in scarlet forest it still feels awful. just rotating the camera in the waterfall area drops fps

[thin fjord]

scarlet forest runs locked 60fps for me 4k balanced

[cerulean marsh]

Are you using the high res texture pack?

[rustic bridge]

My last arkveld hunt was smooth in plains. I had consistent 60-70fps at 4k high preset with FSR4 balanced. Very surprised they pulled it off. It used to be lower and laggy.

[trim tangle]

Meanwhile, the plains hub area is still awfully slow for me ~ nothing changes the dips to sub-60fps, not even switching from ultra to low preset, and I'm on a 7800X3D!

I sadly suspect that the engine is just fundamentally unfixable for how it is implemented for Wilds.

They can only do so many workarounds, unfortunately.

[rustic bridge]

yes same, I barely hit 60fps in the hub with a lot of stutters. The area isn't optimized at all and the engine is surely wasting cpu/gpu ressources on computing objects we don't see.

[trim tangle]

I think that it's struggling with so many concurrent animations and AI at the same ~ you can see this as you pan the camera around the camp.

Other engines have no issues with computing many such objects at the same time.

We saw this with Dragon's Dogma 2 ~ go to the city area, and watch the framerate tank to a veritable crawl.

[rustic bridge]

Well they fixed plains, no reason it can't be fixed in the hub or other areas.

[trim tangle]

Resident Evil games are fine because they never have so much going on, because of their corridor design.

[rustic bridge]

47fps right now in the hub

cmon capcom, there's nothing to render

[trim tangle]

I don't think they really fixed it ~ just tweaked some stuff. It runs marginally better, but not significantly so.

[trim tangle]

RE Engine memes, haha

[rustic bridge]

i bet their cpde is a spaghetti mess

[trim tangle]

Does anything really change between ultra and low preset?

[rustic bridge]

nearly impossible to optimize

or it would take months

preset gives extra fps but not that much in the hub

[trim tangle]

Yeah, probably is ~ their entity handling code for animations and AI must be a total clusterfuck

I would hazard a guess at legacy codebase full of multiple inheritance hierarchies not designed for anything beyond corridor shooters, which didn't expose the engine's weaknesses.

With so much code debt that they simply can't fix anything lest everything just break in weird and wonderful ways.

[rustic bridge]

lowering preset does boost fps while hunting though

[trim tangle]

At best, you can optimize a lot of small things to reap small benefits ~ what we're seeing.

[rustic bridge]

so they really did partially optimize the engine

[trim tangle]

I noticed that too ~ maybe +10fps, best-case.

[rustic bridge]

well, in low preset i can hit 100+ fps!

which was impossible at launch

[trim tangle]

Well... sort of, but not really. Hunting doesn't involve too much in the way of concurrent animations and AI.

[glacial plank]

seems like there's still an issue with the black screen during screams

so that's gone after the update

even tho it's still infinitely better than native hdr

[trim tangle]

Shader cache nuked, then redone?

[glacial plank]

yeah

also this seems to look way overcooked on vanilla+ so maybe something's wrong

using the latest reshade too, but don't think it would've caused problems

[rustic bridge]

slightly overexposed, you can tune it with the exposure slider
also raise the shadows to fix the black crush

tune it according to your taste but you want to keep a balanced image

[spark plaza]

use the filmic preset

[glacial plank]

filmic is better in that sense but still doesn't quite looks right

looks a bit too desaturated

[glacial plank]

kinda tired of tryign to fix this game tbh

[trim tangle]

It's why I stopped playing for the time being ~ it became exhausting... maybe the MR DLC will breathe new life into it for me :/

I still look back on World / Iceborne fondly, in comparison

[glacial plank]

It was kinda fun for me once everything got set up and worked

renodx worked nicely, guys posted great presets for it and such

mods worked nicely too, removing obnoxious stuff like lens distortion and glow from buffs

but now it's back to setting everything up and it's such a bother, especially considering it's not as active anymore

so a lot of things stay out of date

and the base game is just hideous imo

[fading cape]

use vanilla+ with pre grade exposure

the color grading loses a lot of details for some reason

[merry tartan]

I don't think I ever saw it look like this 🤔

any other mods?

[glacial plank]

only the one that removes the lens distortion, don't think it disables anything else by default

I still got no clue why they even used lense distortion

it doesn't look good, immersive, filmic, nothing

it just makes the screen blurry lol

[thin fjord]

Same I get up to 80fps but I just cap it at 60 for consistency 4k balanced.

[thin fjord]

Wow I get 60fps here too, is it cpu limited?

[thin fjord]

Depends on hardware specs runs significantly better for me. I struggled to maintain 60fps 4k performance before.

[merry tartan]

is vanilla+ being this cooked a new problem after the update?

if so I probably screwed something up

[thin fjord]

Never noticed, always use filmic

[fading cape]

no

[rustic bridge]

with the performance boost, i can finally use renodx

sdr vs vanilla hdr vs renodx vanilla+ tweaked

@merry tartan @dense knot you disabled the fog shader right? because my ref mod doesn't work anymore

[dense knot]

Nothing is disabled from renodx side

[rustic bridge]

nvm, the fog looks different with reno hdr

i must retweak it

tweaked fog

once again, ty @dense knot for the mod, it makes the game much more enjoyable

[thin fjord]

What did you do to the fog?

[dense knot]

Jon is solely handling it rn, thank him

[rustic bridge]

i tweaked the Fade "hardness" to make the drawing distance less "in your face"

[thin fjord]

You leave the other settings as is?

[rustic bridge]

yup

fade hardness at 0.030

good value to retain the fog but less aggressive on the foreground

[merry tartan]

for some reason I thought I remembered the native hdr being a lot closer to SDR than it is here.

[thin fjord]

mind sharing your full settings?

[rustic bridge]

in the folder reframework > data

[rustic bridge]

the color shifting on reds looks awful

that's why i played sdr

[merry tartan]

really need to rework the mod to be SDR faithful with options to make the game not look so low contrast instead of what we currently do. I just don't care enough about the game right now to do all that. Maybe when the expansion gets revealed

[rustic bridge]

well if want to nitpick, a stronger film grain would be nice 😛

i like adding noise for extra "sharpness"

because of taa upscaling

[fading cape]

https://tenor.com/view/aww-hell-nahh-aww-hell-aww-hell-nahh-gif-9659330954843262630

[merry tartan]

would just be changing the multiplier on the slider, or you could ctrl + click the slider and type in a bigger number

[rustic bridge]

nice tip lol

[merry tartan]

I'd rather not change the multiplier just for the sake of consistency across addons lol

[silk blaze]

I never touched or tried the filmic option so I just tried it. I think the exposure type is not working as well as exposure strength for me even alone. I haven't changed anything that would effect the update. The only thing is maybe reframework from the 1205 to 1208 at the time.

Also are we supposed to be talking in here or on the other discord thread made. Most the talking is happening in here unfortuantely.

[fading cape]

i try to use the reno server this is mainly just for general discussion now

idk its a mess

[silk blaze]

I tried talking in https://discord.com/channels/1161035767917850784/1300713599978700841 which is more appropriate for talking about MHW but seems dead based on the dates of previous post.

Not sure if locking this thread with the the new renodx specific location as the last post would solve it sorta.

[fading cape]

I was talking about the thread in https://discord.gg/9DhhgTGx

https://discord.com/channels/1408098019194310818/1410855640112566375/threads/1451965513671508110/1451965513671508110

[silk blaze]

I figured for the reno yeah.

[fading cape]

but yeah this is where most of the talking happened when the game launched so most people only have this thread opened

[merry tartan]

Yeah let’s just move renodx discussion over here https://discord.com/channels/1408098019194310818/1410855640112566375/threads/1451965513671508110/1451965513671508110

[trim tangle]

What hardware do you have?

[thin fjord]

9800x3d, 4080

[trim tangle]

9800X3D is basically able to bruteforce the engine regarding the problem areas (hub, village) for GPU wait metrics, according to Daniel Owen's release testing. 7800X3D doesn't quite get there. 4080 is also a few notches stronger than my 7900XTX, so can probably handle 4K 60fps fine in field scenarios.

[thin fjord]

might be the CPU then, can you do 4k performance?

[trim tangle]

My (vague) equivalent of 1440p quality does get 60fps, yeah, but it tanks in hub areas below 60fps, struggling at get above it. Field areas usually do stay above 60fps.

Grand Hub can easily go to ~50fps and below often enough ~ frametimes are rather unstable. If I go to the higher areas, it jumps easily above 60fps.

[thin fjord]

do you max settings?

[trim tangle]

Ultra vs low seems to make no difference in hub areas ~ haha CPU bottleneck go brrrr

Field areas are a rather different experience ~ seems to be more GPU-limited, much like Dragon's Dogma 2...

80 to 90fps is not uncommon in field areas.

[thin fjord]

got it. at least gameplay is smooth

[trim tangle]

Indeed. :)

[fading cape]

i'd get like max 60fps performance

4080s 7000x3d

and i still get that

grand hub is the main place i looked at it

[pine cedar]

no just vanilla High textures

my 5700x3d cant keep up sometimes

80-90% gpu usage for my rx 9070 in cpu heavy areas. feels awfull

and its already on 1440p native fsr

[thin fjord]

I upscale from ~1440p with my 4080 + 9800x3d

But you are probably more cpu limited

[cerulean marsh]

Yeah it just seems like the decompression can't quite keep up since its done CPU end despite the game using direct storage. Using the texture decompressor should fix or at least reduce your issue. I don't know if the tool has been updated for TU4 yet

[pine cedar]

yeah that mod helped me before tu4 update. i havent tested it yet now if it still works

[cerulean marsh]

There is another texture streaming fix this month but its focused primarily on the high res texture pack so it might not have a huge impact on cpu limited situations that still cause stuttering even on normal texture levels.

But we are also getting additional graphics options for further reducing cpu load that could help.

On top of the usual reduction in gpu/cpu usage

[pine cedar]

they should add an option to turn off extra environmental elements that doesnt affect gameplay imo

like the small animals n stuff in forest region

[rustic bridge]

There are room for improvements. If they really put effort on optimizations, we can easily gain 5 fps which are more than welcome to people at 60fps borderline. In the grand hub, my fps tanks to 40fps.

[dawn harness]

Yeah, even minor gains can be monumental for those in that situation, where they're at 60fps borderline and such.

[cerulean marsh]

As far as I know these are part of the january update

[sonic thicket]

And turn off lens distortion w/out needing a mod 🙏

[rustic bridge]

Rey Dau is one of my favourite monster of Wilds. Gorgeous design, nice fight, nice music.

[silk blaze]

That looks so clean, is that DLAA and what looks like volumetric fog completely off.

[rustic bridge]

FSR4 balanced
volumetric is lowered with ref mod

[pine cedar]

i cant even maintain 60fps minimum on camp areas especially on grand hub. it was not like this pre-tu4 idk what broke in my end

[thin fjord]

I think they moved some of the load to the CPU, so if you were CPU limited in some areas performance might be worse.

[cerulean marsh]

Shader compilation is still being done during gameplay where it wasn't before.

Sometimes you just have to sit for a hot minute while shaders compile

But it could be related to RE Framework since it's still got issues in TU4

[silk blaze]

Ah, because it looks like no blur and as if all the effects were striped away. I play with my camera more out so I also do not see too close to the monster like the images.

[rustic bridge]

Because I'm doing things right.

• the forced sharpening is disabled (with renodx, can be done with shader toggler). The sharpening is too aggressive and ugly with a lot of haloing.
• I'm using fancy upscaler FSR4 in balanced mode (1440p -> 4k)
• I'm using driver RCAS, ingame settings at 0.90 strength. RCAS is one of the best sharpening, it's low overhead with nearly no ringing artifacts. AMD improved and tweaked it over time in their drivers. You can also use it in reshade from lilium's implementation. Ritsu also integrated it in reno. Optiscaler did it too.
• I'm using film grain for extra sharpness. It's a visual trick making the image sharper by adding noise. The HDR nerds here use it for dithering, I'm using it for sharpness 😛

[rustic bridge]

Here are some screenshots for comparison
FSR4 balanced, 1440p->4k, high preset, high textures

shader sharpening off, no post sharpening

shader sharpening off, RCAS 0.90 strength

shader sharpening off, RCAS 0.90 + filmgrain

[silk blaze]

Second one looks good. The filmgrain noise though

I have Nvidia but I suppose mine looks sharp too but I wished I could use DLAA on Wilds. I have DLSS performance/Reno RCAS maxed/NPI driver level of sharpening ignore film grain 0.17 and sharpening value 0.50 I am still trying to find a good balance of the highlight because the desert area can be too yellow on lighting. I have it set to 70 or 75 I forgot.

Chata butt for tax.

[rustic bridge]

Your screenshots look ok to me. rcas is clearly saving the blurry mess. You could increase the shadows to avoid black crush on your character.

[pine cedar]

how to use driver RCAS? is it the image sharpening in adrenalin?

[rustic bridge]

If you have an amd card, it's simply the slider in the game settings when using FSR upscaling (3 or 4).

They also added an extra sharpening filter called Radeon Image Sharpening 2 which can be done on desktop. It is based on RCAS I believe.

[pine cedar]

yup I just enabled RIS2 on wilds while using shader toggler to disable the horrible sharpening

looks so much better

[rustic bridge]

RIS2 off vs on (slider at 100%)

oh, my screenshots are useless

[pine cedar]

yeah RIS2 doesnt get captured on screenshots i think

[rustic bridge]

RIS2 is done before sending the signal to the monitor

not injected in a pipeline, if that makes sense

which is clever, no risk to trigger anticheat 😄

it's basically an extra free RCAS which can work anytime in any game

[glacial plank]

looks clean enough, not sure what you're looking for, but if you haven't yet disabled lens distortion (I assume you did) that's the last step I would do

[ebon tide]

You can push more sharpening by using lilium rcas shader strong variant rather than rely on nvidia poor sharpening

[silk blaze]

Lens is disabled. I'm not looking for anything in particular. I was just going on how clean the image looked like.

[cerulean marsh]

The game CAN look phenomenal but it certainly takes hella tweaks

Sounds like I'm going to have to look into disabling the ingame sharpening if I want my game to look even better than it already does with all the changes I've made

[merry tartan]

Renodx disables sharpening already

[magic nexus]

the visuals can really pop with a light touch

[pine cedar]

kinda off topic but, do you guys also get vrr flicker with mh wilds? happens alot to me if i enable fg

[errant topaz]

hi guys, surely it get asked a lot hahah but can you get banned or are there some user reporting bans for reshade? can you use it for multiplayer mode?

[rustic bridge]

Technically yes, modding is against TOS. In reality reshade is tolerated for cosmetics. The same as many games.

[errant topaz]

I see, probably because reshade it's only client side so in reality nothing should happen
thanks

of course it's on me if something happens
i want to install reshade because the native HDR is horrible, like the colours in the SDR mode of this game

[glacial plank]

I don't think we've heard reports about people getting banned for using reshade+reno

and the native HDR is so bad it's basically better to get banned but play with a good HDR for a while even if that somehow happens lol

[errant topaz]

hahaha thanks i agree

[indigo stratus]

The ghosting is so horrible with dlss, i can get pretty screenshots but movement is still an issue

[magic nexus]

so what settings do people recommend to use? Is there a preference for pre-grade? Vanilla+ or Filmic?

[thin fjord]

I just use filmic

[cerulean marsh]

are you using dlss 3 or 4? Cause the ghosting really isn't too bad on FSR4

[indigo stratus]

it should be dlss 4 standard

The banding is also quite something

[thin fjord]

I froce preset E hate preset K, unusable anywhere there are transparent effects

[glacial plank]

is there a texture clarity comparison between E and K?

I assume both are dlss4, but I don't remember at this point

[indigo stratus]

pretty sure E is Dlss 3

[indigo stratus]

im going to try that

[thin fjord]

Yes k is sharper

[glacial plank]

aw

yea I feel the same issues with fog specifically on K but I cannot forfeit the texture clarity

[thin fjord]

Just add sharpening with reno

[glacial plank]

it's like playing in 4k after 720p

[thin fjord]

Ghosting is not worth it

What screen size?

[glacial plank]

27"

[thin fjord]

I have a 4k 27" already find 4k performance to be blurry even with preset K

[indigo stratus]

performance for sure

im trying it out right now

[glacial plank]

in motion performance will be somewhat blurry for sure

[indigo stratus]

Does Dlaa care about preset?

[thin fjord]

Yes

Preset F is the equivalent to preset E for dlaa. The default non transformer version.

[thin fjord]

Some sharpening can go a long way.

Hopefully they fix the higher resolution texture for good in the next patch

[indigo stratus]

Im so curious about that, ultra textures look really good

[indigo stratus]

does look really crisp but 45 fps is not enough lol

[thin fjord]

Yeah but game struggles a lot to stream the textures and stutters as a result.

[thin fjord]

Yeah 4k native is already hard to run dlaa even more

[indigo stratus]

Yeah thats the sole reason i do not use it, i heard you can make it work with decompressed textures but it sounds complicated since you need to do something different with the dlc textures

funny enough 4k native looks so bad except dlss

[glacial plank]

the issue is textures are overall a blend of low and high

so regardless of installation of very high texture pack

it still looks messy

[indigo stratus]

It was still a + if it was not for the streaming stutters

and im gonna stay with preset E, i cranked the sharpness to the max and it looks fine

[pine cedar]

dlss4 has bad artifacts for me on fog etc

i moved to amd and now use fsr4 its less artifacts but less sharp/quality

also with dlss4 if i use flashbang on dark area i can see blocky artifacts lmao

[indigo stratus]

Yeah fsr4 did catch up quite good to dlss3, yeah now that I played with preset E for some time I will not go back to k anytime soon, looks way cleaner now

[vivid pendant]

as far as i know a ban/anticheat system only exists for hacking quests online
i don't even think there's any kind of anticheat actually running locally?
i would assume you can get banned for hacking in microtransactions online as well but that should be it

heck, you can even use a mod to remake your character without needing to buy vouchers (i would go offline temporarily while you have it installed though!)

[thin fjord]

Newer version of the mod is jsut double click and it works.

[thin fjord]

Yeah their taa probably the same from monster hunter world it sucks.

[indigo stratus]

Pretty sure this is still required, I guess my English is not good enough to completely understand it

[thin fjord]

Last time I did it, it asked me if I wanted to include dlc. Didn't test it because I don't use it. But I think it's automated now.

[indigo stratus]

Well I'm going to try then, my poor storage

[errant topaz]

i see, thank you for the detailed answer :)

[indigo stratus]

You are right it does work!

[late marten]

Do you guys recommend installing Reshade effects over RenoDX like the Rehydrated mod ? Or is it more pretty with just a perfectly calibrated RenoDX ?

[errant topaz]

i installed renoDX but the game (even from the title screen) looks so dark

why is that?

[errant topaz]

and i cant even see the peak brightness settings :\

[cerulean marsh]

It does involve some extra steps but the most annoying part was getting the tools needed, the actual process isn't too challenging

[cerulean marsh]

1000% personal preference. Renodx can already look great on its own. I personally would never use someone else's reshade preset though but I do use some other effects on top

[cerulean marsh]

Did you follow the instructions to a T? Sounds like you might not have downloaded reshade with full addon support

[cerulean marsh]

It decompresses the textures but it does not know how to properly link them in order for them to load properly (As of pre-TU4 anyway, I haven't seen any updates to the loader since)

So in order for them to load properly you may still need to do some extra steps

[cerulean marsh]

Yeah, just tested myself

[indigo stratus]

Well I'm not sure if it works correctly to be honest, I can see some textures being high res, but some are still low res

[cerulean marsh]

it works perfect for high but does not for high res texture pack

And given that there are about 8 or 9 new pak files since TU3 it might not be working totally right at all

[indigo stratus]

Let's hope the update comes soon and actually fixes it

[cerulean marsh]

testing it right now though with the proper steps

Yeah doesn't appear to be working quite right. I hope they update it soon

the upcoming update is supposed to fix texture streaming for the high res pack so hopefully we won't need it anymore anyway and that might be why the author of the tool hasn't bothered

[errant topaz]

yes full addon but i found a solution now
it appears that with the title update and/or latest drivers wilds doesnt recognize hdr capability if you have an AMD GPU with freesync ON
i don't know if this happens only to me because of drivers (i have 25.9.1) or something else

i found another solution here, instead of disabling freesync globally you can tweak it for monster hunter only
https://www.reddit.com/r/MonsterHunter/comments/1oca0n2/another_solution_for_the_issue_of_hdr_not_being/

[cerulean marsh]

WAIT

You might have fixed my issue

nothing was too dark but I haven't been able to get Reshade to recognize HDR in Wilds for proper tweaking

nevermind

Did not fix it :(

[cerulean marsh]

Its really frustrating. I've tried reinstalling the game, reinstalling reshade

Lilium's shaders just can't seem to find the correct colorspace

can't even convert colorspace either

[errant topaz]

i don't know if this helps you but in my case i installed reshade 6.6.2 + the latest nightly build of reframework (https://github.com/praydog/REFramework-nightly/releases) + the renodx on nexusmods, the latest from github gave me darkness issues

and this works on my amd build maybe it can help you too

[cerulean marsh]

And you're able to use Lilium's HDR analysis tool?

I can use the tool but it's only using the SDR version

[distant oar]

Hey guys, Im planning to get back into MH Wilds to play the updated content and test the HDR capabilities of my new Monitor. Do you have any recommendations for modding besides RenoDX? Last time I played I used reframework, updated DirectStorage and SpecialK to inject everything and some additional tweaks. Is this still the way to go?

[thin fjord]

I just set preset E in dlss, use camera mod to zoom out and renodx

[distant oar]

Oh my god... I just had to see the default HDR again... Its SO bad

[thin fjord]

oh yeah I also use display commander for frame limiter

[distant oar]

Is it better than RTSS? And do you know if there is a way to limit your base frame rate (FPS Before Framegen) without special K?

[viscid yoke]

you can do that with display commander actually

[distant oar]

Nice! installing rn

[errant topaz]

i didn't use it so i don't really know :(

[magic nexus]

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/dlss-4-5-dynamic-multi-frame-gen-6x-2nd-gen-transformer-super-res/

Might want to consider this for Wilds, out now apparently

Available Now: With today’s NVIDIA app beta update, all GeForce RTX users can experience the new DLSS 4.5 Super Resolution model in over 400 titles. Simply select “DLSS Override feature - Model Presets” in the Graphics tab, and choose “Latest”. This sets our new Model M across all modes. You can also try out Model L under “Custom”, which is optimized for Ultra Performance Mode at 4K. Ultimately, you decide which balance of image quality and performance is right for your PC.

[magic nexus]

You'll want to try it out yourself but this seems to fix most instances of ghosting in the sky that I saw

and it looks quite stable during sandtide

postgrade vs pregrade

postgrade vs pregrade

I think the pregrade does seem to look better most of the time but its a shame it seems to clobber the color during sandtide

But I think Rey does look better in the pre-grade/filmic option

[fading cape]

"Model L under “Custom”, which is optimized for Ultra Performance Mode at 4K"

that sounds very interesting

can't wait to see the hardware unboxed video

they really just shadow dropped this shit

[magic nexus]

yeah lol

i didnt do a before and after for K vs M but this is me fully spinning my camera and taking a screenshot

looks pretty damn clean considering that

dlss4 on left, dlss4.5 on right. It's unsheathed so it's spinning

not the most controlled test but still

[indigo stratus]

Downloading it right now!

[indigo stratus]

its not gone but its much better

cannot see any issues with the sun rays like previously

[magic nexus]

What's the issue you see there?

The lightning bolts?

[indigo stratus]

Im actually not sure if some of those issues is the game itself lol

[indigo stratus]

Yeah but its not really good to see on the picture, looks a little weird with movement

If we could now only fix the color banding issue i would be 100% happy with the game right now lol

[magic nexus]

Huh I didn't go back to iceshard but I didn't see anything like that elsewhere

[indigo stratus]

its just when the lighting adjusts so not a permanent thing

[magic nexus]

You can see those lightning trails here too

Ah that makes sense

[indigo stratus]

thats like the worst it gets with this preset, its a little hard to see (snowflakes)

In my mind iceshard was probably the worst one with preset K

[magic nexus]

Ah yeah

Faint white particles must be its kryptonite

Into the trash it goes

[light crest]

How's the performance hit? Wilds is a heavy game

[mossy swallow]

First impressions at 4k (Not using latest reno yet)
On first launch the game decided it needed to recompile a few shaders and the game was broken. Boiling textures, oversharpenned look.
On relaunch it worked as expected somewhat.
No more broken fog effects so far

But that was fixed a long time ago when they implemented DLSS4

[indigo stratus]

A few percent on my part, 60/120fps with frame gen On and Preset M with Quality, with this new one I get a few dips but it's well worth it

[mossy swallow]

It doesn't feels I'm gaining that much FPS with DLSS, like when switching presets from Quality to Performance for instance

[indigo stratus]

Might also be because of CPU Limit

[mossy swallow]

got it fixed, the old problem of needing to relaunch after playing with settings is still there

noticed kinda unstable 1pixel wide black lines on fog gradients, not sure what was causing it
will test more later

[pine cedar]

i hope crapcom doesnt disappoint with this next patch..

i just want to use higher res texture pack while not breaking the game

[mossy swallow]

~~There's been a regression with how "Latest" override setting works on the nvidia app
It forces a Preset for all DLSS modes. Can result in over sharpened image
~~
(When overriding DLSS to Latest, you get the new Preset M. This is intended)
https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/s/iHzL1j69M4

[glacial plank]

did you guys check the performance diff for dlss versions?

especially if you're on 40xx

[indigo stratus]

Best not to use the nvidia app altogether

[indigo stratus]

3%-4% on my 4090 in mh wilds, but idk how that translates in different games and on different gpus

[glacial plank]

which quality mode?

sounds pretty good