✅RenoDX: MH Wilds

[thin fjord]

I installed a pack that turns the color silver or black. much better. I hate the ugly green it matches nothing

[rustic bridge]

we need layered weapon 😢

[thin fjord]

end of may patch

[rich finch]

I'm still not sure why they chose the color green as the basis

[thin fjord]

these are from prior games, not sure why they didn't change them

[rustic bridge]

so cooool

[shut violet]

sdr backgrounds 80-100 nits are not really going to cause burn in

just use the blank screen saver

[rich finch]

Good to know that part

[modest ravine]

Same hardware, but I do 4k on quality mode with DLC textures I get 80-120 fps
VRR

[thin fjord]

framegen you mean, right?

[modest ravine]

Yes of course

[rustic bridge]

new diva song!

[rustic bridge]

I should read all release notes

my game was crashing alot because of one feature

Intermittent application crash or driver timeout may be observed while playing Monster Hunter Wilds with Radeon™ Anti-Lag and Instant Replay enabled.

I disabled everything, ref, reshade thinking they were the issue

[rich finch]

Meanwhile if I want seikret alma I have to still stick to the 25.2.1 driver ;-;

[rustic bridge]

omg i crashed again!

i'm reverting to previous driver

10 crashes!

[rich finch]

The 25.2.1 is the most stable including with mods from what I found. At least with a 7900 xt

No special settings in nvidia

Other than base hyper-x

hypr-x excuse me

[rustic bridge]

i'm too tired to clean reinstall drivers, i'll do it tomorrow

[rich finch]

...Save a few mods. (don't use the Hunter Rey Dau that one just hates the game with AMD)

[rustic bridge]

i made an interesting discovery disabling ref and reshade

native hdr looks good 😮

i think capcom fixed their hdr, it's not washed out anymore

vanilla hdr (steam screenshots), no ref, no reshade

[trim tangle]

Now what is the framerate without framegen? 🐸

[rich finch]

-# Not enough on any hardware

[rich finch]

-# I desire more fps

[rain sigil]

why you don’t use FG?

[trim tangle]

Because it offers only illusions of smoothness ~ your input latency can only get worse. It will not make your game run any better. In fact, it might look glitchy, because in-between frames are generated by the GPU driver, not by the game.

Upscaling actually improves responsiveness, because it actually increases the game's framerate proper ~ less input lag.

If trying to select radial menu stuff without FG is pure pain, with FG, it will be even more infuriating, as the game is handling inputs at the real refresh rate.

It creates a mental disconnect

If I'm getting 60fps without FG, then I know that the game should be handling inputs at that rate in ms ~ even if there is the weird delay Capcom puts in their engine

[thin fjord]

yeah I feel like I would only use FG around 100fps native to go to 200+fps in a high refresh monitor

[trim tangle]

And Wilds is never going to hit 100fps smoothly without 9800X3D + 5090-level hardware that can just fucking bruteforce everything

[modest ravine]

55-88 but mostly around 60fps. FG just smooths it out, i dont see any artificing.

if yah wanna get real crazy, you can turn on AFMF in the driver settings and double the fake frames haha

[fading cape]

guys this is what a normal launch is supposed to look like right?

(seizure warning)

keep getting this error

fg related probably

was working fine earlier today

i installed the latest hotfix so maybe that was it

[thin fjord]

amd? I think Amu had similar issues

[merry tartan]

I thought the custom reshade build fixed this stuff, at least with this game?

[rich finch]

The newest build definitely fixed things like the water square. Though maybe it's the new amd driver? I haven't gotten to fully test it with reshade or anything myself.

[trim tangle]

Can you link to the build again?

Sorry

[trim tangle]

Reshade?

[merry tartan]

pinned in the renodx channel

[thin fjord]

In #🧩renodx-dev pinned the custom reshade build. The latest renodx for amd is on nexus

[merry tartan]

oh was there a special reno build too?

[white wyvern]

Some people had posted their MHWilds RenoDx settings. One of them was really nice. I can't search in this thread on discord.
Anyone has a link to those settings?

[trim tangle]

Cheers :)

[rich finch]

Yeah there's a pinned reshade build and it's linked on the Nexus. Fixes things on AMD like the square in the water.

[trim tangle]

Yay :)

[trim tangle]

Can you post the link? Only getting Reshade presets. :|

[rich finch]

#🧩renodx-dev message

Here ya go

Just remember you need reframework or...there was another I think? Wilds throws an error it eats to get around to launching.

[thin fjord]

Nvm just the reshade is also in nexus

[fading cape]

nvidia

[rich finch]

Oh roll back your drivers likely if you updated recently. The newest Nvidia drivers have been causing tons of problems and really bad crashes for a huge number of cards.

[fading cape]

for some reason i was fine on the recent update

but the hotfix broke it

[rich finch]

Probably worth removing the shaders and checking what the commonly used driver is right now.

[wicked spindle]

I had to roll back to 572.83 a few days back since the newest driver was causing major performance stability issues for me, ever since I went back though it has been solid again. Probably gonna stick to this driver for a while until nvidia figures there shit out lol

[shut violet]

same, I had to roll back to 572.83 too

MHW and WuWa were crashing on the newest driver

random DXGI errors

[fading cape]

oh yeah that problem i had eventually fixed itself

idk the drivers are wack i didn't even rollback the drivers it just starting working perfectly fine again after changing nothing

[rich finch]

Ah yes

Software ghosts

[mossy shoal]

I rolled back to 572.46, it’s the most performant and least crashy one for me

[waxen rose]

The latest driver from Nvidia (576.02) should absolutely not be used. Has a very serious bug with the GPU not reporting the correct thermal temperature, not to mention the constant crashing in Wilds and other games. There was a hotfix for the incorrect temperature reporting (576.15) but that also causes constant crashing in Wilds and other DX12 games.

[tender frost]

it is not exclusive to 576.02 btw, it was happening some of the earlier drivers as well since the 5000 series launch. So if you use the sleep function on your pc and have a 3rd party fan control software for controlling fans curves on your gpu, be aware of it and check if you are affected by it.

[glacial plank]

I got like 99% issues in ALL games sorted out by doing DDU uninstall of drivers and clean install

recent nvidia drivers are really fucked up in terms of bloating the system and conflicting with each other it seems

using 572.83 atm

[rustic bridge]

last amd driver is very unstable for me

i kept crashing in wilds

[merry tartan]

I can second this. For the first time in ages, DDU has been borderline required with driver updates for me, though my issues have mostly been along the lines of my GPU literally not working again until I DDU and reinstall.

happened with my sister's rig too, and we have different GPUs (4080 for me, 5080 for her)

drivers are a mess. They usually are when new GPUs launch, but this is next level

[rich finch]

They're sounding as bad as installing nvidia drivers in early linux to be honest.

[waxen rose]

There was a slide from Capcom showing what drivers Wilds was most compatible with, I think the latest shown was 572.83 so it makes sense that I and others have no problem on that version.

[fading cape]

What even is a ddu uninstall I’ve seen it in videos but no one ever explains why it’s supposed to be better or how to do it

I jus be doing basic clean install

[wicked spindle]

Display Driver Uninstaller (DDU) is a software utility designed to completely remove display card (GPU) drivers and associated files from a Windows system. It helps ensure a clean slate before installing new drivers, especially when troubleshooting driver issues or switching between different GPU manufacturers. DDU can remove registry keys, folders, and files related to the driver, preventing conflicts with new installations.

Basically it deep cleans and makes sure there is nothing left on your drive so it doesn't conflict

[white wyvern]

Have you tried nvcleaninstall?
It’s essentially ddu but better IMO. Been using it for a while. Gets rid of nvidia bloatware and does nice and clean installs.

[merry tartan]

I have not

[white wyvern]

I think the better way to put it is: use ddu once then install with nvcleaninstall and uncheck all unnecessary components. From that point just continue using nvcleaninstall to keep everything nice and clean.

[wicked spindle]

I have never heard of nvcleaninstall, been using DDU for as long as I can remember. I'll have to check it out next time i need to do a clean driver install

[rich finch]

AMD has an equivalant now too though I forget the name of it. I think it does as good of a job as DDU. Though really the most advantageous part is it sets up booting into safemode for you.

[rustic bridge]

ddu is part of my ritual before installing any new driver

[rustic bridge]

to answer your good question, it removes all keys in the registry

[indigo stratus]

Yeah i just tried the gpu decrompression mod and holy moly its butter smooth, still using the decompression as well, since i do not want to redo it but i like it this way

[indigo stratus]

Do you still use the native HDR? if yes with what brightness settings?

[rich finch]

For the laziest I recommend, doing that, to follow it's instructions to brighten until the squares vanish.

And then go one level further. So mine is 6 so I set it to 7. That helps bloom like the sun to be more white instead of just very slightly gray.

Others have recommended two above but it's usually 1 or 2 above.
Some lower the global brightness on page 2 to 5. Some raise the saturation by 3. Those last two are personal preference.

[indigo stratus]

Hm i honestly still do not really like the vanilla look to be honest

[rich finch]

Then the suggestions I've heard for vanilla from someone was either
-2 levels over brightness + 5 global brightness
-Brightness that matches disappearing + 5 global brightness + 3 over default saturation

From a youtube video where someone was recommending maxing out highlights and he offered it in the comments as an alternative to adjust the color scale without causing overblown bloom.

His preference was the second one in the end I think.

Though I just used those as guidelines

Otherwise RenoDX is still better at auto adjusting. Alternative being Rehydrated at least for me.

[rustic bridge]

yes i do

if my memories are right, i'm using
peak brightness 15/100 (~600nits)
overall brightness 9/20
other sliders at 10/20

• reshade for black floor and vibrance boost

[rich finch]

The black floor is the important part with hdr in this game if I recall

It's pretty crunched

[indigo stratus]

Why is there so much artifacting? i had to reinstall the game

[trim tangle]

Was the game vanilla beforehand? Any alterations? (Not counting SpecialK or ReFramework)

[fading cape]

Weird bug with the music I just found i think

[indigo stratus]

No, as far as I remember, I tried to redo everything I did, switch dlss files, force preset etc. But even when I first booted, I already had the artifacting issue

[indigo stratus]

thats all i use

[indigo stratus]

Okay for anyone wondering, it was the nvidia driver 576.02, after installing 576.15 hotfix the issues are gone

[split matrix]

🤔 What GPU?

[indigo stratus]

4090

[split matrix]

Ah! I have a 4090 as well and noticed a similar issue. Might try that out.

Thanks for sharing!

[indigo stratus]

You are welcome, nivida drivers are getting worse every week lol

[split matrix]

Ya it's hard to predict. At least they fixed more than usual with the latest round.

[fading cape]

issues got worse for me on .15

yours just happen to fix itself

it does that

[indigo stratus]

Do you have a 4090 as well?

[fading cape]

4080s

[rustic bridge]

native hdr, no reshade

i need to remove that forced sharpening though

i'm out of date about mods

[merry tartan]

was there ever anything in patch notes about HDR?

[shut violet]

I don't think so

[rustic bridge]

i don't remember any

[merry tartan]

at this point I'm not sure if the native HDR always looked like that and maybe preset off is scuffed or if they fixed it, but idk why they'd be silent about it

[rustic bridge]

native was bad, it was washed out for me

[merry tartan]

idk, I spent so much time looking at so many different types of images in this game that I truly don't know what's what now haha

[rustic bridge]

native

even colors pop

[merry tartan]

what other mods do you have?

[rustic bridge]

it used to be bland

nothing no ref no reshade

[merry tartan]

just making sure

default hdr settings?

[rustic bridge]

i had a lot of crashes before clair obscur released

that's 15/100 peak brightness, so around 600 nits

all sliders at 10

[merry tartan]

when you posted this the other day, I actually booted up the game to check, and at least with renodx set to off, it looks just as scuffed as I remember

so idk

[rustic bridge]

weird stuff

another native shot

captured by skiv

[merry tartan]

their sharpening is such an abomination my god

[rustic bridge]

you can tell it's native because of the oversharpening

yeah lol

[merry tartan]

the sun is ringing lmao

it looks like a piece of paper with a drop shadow

[rustic bridge]

i'll keep native and no mods for some days

and slowly enable mods

[merry tartan]

did they fix their antitamper stutters btw?

[rustic bridge]

my game crashed 10 times last week :/

[merry tartan]

I haven't kept up with mh at all

[rustic bridge]

well i have decompressed textures

and it feels smooth

native, ultra preset, uncompressed high res textures (dlc),

super smooth, just look at the micro stutter graph, it's flat

they removed the anti temper it seems

it used to be laggy without ref*

[trim tangle]

They've updated the game?

No, they haven't...

Anti-tamper is still present

[merry tartan]

possible they fixed the stutters caused by the antitamper, though I'd expect them to make a big deal out of improving performance

[trim tangle]

Could be the uncompressed high res textures?

[fading cape]

They updated direct storage in tu1 that helped with stutters a bit

[rustic bridge]

lol guys i had ref still active! my bad

that's ref

reshaded was turned off by renaming dxgi.dll

I'm using REF mod to tweak the fog

mod off

mod on

sorry for the confusion 😄

capcom fixed nothing, ref did

[trim tangle]

Makes sense, because without Reframework, Crapcom anti-cheat still blocks altered or unsigned pak files

[scenic wagon]

Is this normal? there's like a square shape of shadow around my character, I remember seeing something simular in MHRish but not in wilds, maybe it's patched in?

[zinc sapphire]

are you on an AMD GPU @scenic wagon?

there is a newer "custom" reshade build that might fix that issue

I forgot who did that, someone should know...

[scenic wagon]

yes 9070xt. So that's a AMD problem huh, interesting..

[zinc sapphire]

no, I think it is a reshade issue

but it happens "easier" on AMD or something like that

there is a fix that @fleet frost submitted to reshade

but there is no new release yet

[scenic wagon]

oh ok i'll try find it thanks

[zinc sapphire]

someone here compiled the fix

but I can't find the file now

https://github.com/crosire/reshade/pull/352

it was merged 3 weeks ago

[fleet frost]

it's the pinned reshade in #🧩renodx-dev

[zinc sapphire]

@scenic wagon

[fleet frost]

no reason to be on 6.4.1 at this point

[scenic wagon]

Got it 👌

[zinc sapphire]

does it work now @scenic wagon?

[scenic wagon]

yes it's fixed

[zinc sapphire]

nice

[rich finch]

I think the tldr is Nvidia doesn't follow standards as well or closely and AMD does causing some issues when assumptions are made.

[zinc sapphire]

makes sense from all my years suffering on Linux with Nvidia

[glacial plank]

did something about colors or highlights changed in latest updates? feels like the game looks a bit different but maybe I jus tforgot how it looked

[rich finch]

Nvidia suffered rockstar syndrome where standards were merely a suggestion. AMD follows them which probably is why they've gotten Freesync, etc, to be actual useful standards (VESA vrr is basically just Freesync basic) than an overpriced feature that may or may not cease to exist at some future point.

They also refused to make a blob that was easy to tie into the kernel and loading them was harder at the time. Since you had vesa and then switching over as a user and-

AMD just open sourced their driver. I hear Nvidia is trying but there's heavy restrictions on what is open and it's kinda just a mess.

AMD is responsible for more than we give them credit for, really. I mean Adreno, the GPU most common for phones for a good while until Mali started catching up...well it's an anagram.

Adreno
Radeon

It was made of an AMD division sold off to qualcomm.

Tech history is weird

Also lots of non-standards still out and about. Like the monitor feature to eliminate motion blur that's on some monitors is just the standard for 3d movies but used in a different way where the frames are drawn in place of drawing two separate frames, one per eye, and flickering the backlight in time with those refreshes.

Kinda why the 0 blur mode is a lot dimmer and tears like crazy if you drop beneath the framerate it uses.

(You're basically tearing on two frames)

[wispy oriole]

The filmic preset is the closest to vanilla lighting on SDR, but is making my screen go black during hunts

does anyone has a fix?

[wispy oriole]

during roars and mounts

[merry tartan]

using disable post processing mod?

[wispy oriole]

yes, but the issue only happens with the filmic preset, vanilla+ is normal

something that is strange too, is that even with same settings a vanilla based and a filmic based preset are very different from each other

[merry tartan]

that's expected, you have to set specific settings in that mod for it to be compatible

the stuff in red boxes

[merry tartan]

that's an issue we have in SDR, there's a setting that's hidden but still applies and the preset button switches it. I actually do think we should put out another build that fixes that @dense knot. SDR needs the pre/post grade option.

[wispy oriole]

thanks, it was indeed the local exposure

[merry tartan]

just so you know, renodx can do everything those required checkboxes can do. Pre/post grade (or, for sdr, vanilla/filmic buttons) will do the color correction setting, we bypass blurred luminance with no option not to do it (cause it's ass), and we hijack the film grain and apply our own, which can also be disabled.

[wispy oriole]

yeah blurred luminance is really bad, it was the reason why local exposure was off, its hard to use without the blurred luminance

in vanilla at least

in renodx it looks really good without the oversharpening

[rain sigil]

so, I should keep the options in the red boxes be checked?

[rustic bridge]

oh AT Rey Dau is out!

I have the feeling people will cart alot 😄

[trim tangle]

Some have been finding him very easy ~ but, the caveat is that it depends quite a bit on individual skill level, and some cannot conceive that what is easy for them may not be for others

I mean... early in World, Anjanath gave me a ton of trouble, and now, he's so easy even in MR that I feel like a bully, haha

[rustic bridge]

i'll make a special build to hunt that big boy

anti stun with thunder res maxed out

[thin fjord]

The environment matters a lot vs him. Really liked the hunt.

[trim tangle]

Add evade extender 3 to that set :)

[white wyvern]

Nothing special tbh. Just equip 3 steadfast/stun resistance on your normal build and you’ll be good.
I got the full armor set in just 3 hunts without dying.

Just watch out for the delayed lightening ticks after most attacks. If you use a shield weapon like charge blade or gun lance, you’ll be good.

[merry tartan]

Yes

[trim tangle]

Don't mistake your skill as being representative of the difficulty others might face

I went full thunder res, stun res, evade extender ~ and I was still getting walloped because he's just relentless. The lightning bursts also made it hard to predict.

[white wyvern]

What weapon did you use?

[trim tangle]

SnS ~ Rey Dau was aggressive enough that I kept whiffing charged chops :|

He just would almost never stay still

[white wyvern]

I don’t have a main, I usually start new fights with gunlance then charge blade then switch axe then hunting horn then others.

This to me is the progression from easy to difficult. Learn the fight and move with GL then charge blade to make it slightly difficult and so on.

[trim tangle]

Some attacks would just ignore my shield block, as well

[white wyvern]

I can understand why sns would be difficult.

[trim tangle]

Tempered Rey Dau is rather easy now ~ but Arch-Tempered has more than a few surprises to make up for that

[white wyvern]

I’m talking about AT.

[trim tangle]

I know

In the end, I learned to reflexively dodge the lightning with evade extender helping out, and then just looking for enough openings

But the increased aggression meant that I could easily get caught off guard if I wasn't careful

There were many cases where I just got blasted away ~ moxie saved me once, got carted by lightning, and then somehow managed to not cart again

[white wyvern]

GL is basically block everything snd don’t worry about hitzones
CB is perfect blocks and optimize hitzones
SA is counter and hitzones
HH is dodge, hitzones, keep an eye on own buffs (and others if MP).

Once I have successful hunts with HH, the monster becomes homework.

For AT Rey, I’ve only done it GL today. Will progress more tomorrow.

[white wyvern]

That’s likely because of lingering/delayed lightening strikes. Whig GL blocks with a single guard (auto blocks the late ones). That’s why I like GL to learn fights.

[trim tangle]

SnS does that too ~ I just got clipped somehow. I had started guarding as he was coming at me ~ but the game treated it as if I wasn't.

When it did properly block, lingering and delayed lightning didn't get me

So those isolated instances are a little odd

[white wyvern]

I know sns is very potent. I just don’t like its range/reach. I still like the kit though.

[wicked spindle]

Has anyone tested the new hot fix nvidia driver from yesterday with mhwilds yet? Any improvements?

[rustic bridge]

bro is mad i'm stalking him 😄

hunting with random

[rich finch]

SNS: The dance of slide slash when you make a mistake and get caught in an area about to get nuked

[west remnant]

does anyone having this problem with the diva? This only happen with the vanilla+ preset, filmic preset is working fine

[fading cape]

New nvidia driver released

Couldn’t see any comments relating to wilds for it on Reddit so

I will try it later but I have a 4080s so my issues were pretty random

They finally acknowledged wilds stability issues tho im not sure if that includes crashes

[thin fjord]

I get this issue even without reno and using filmic as well

no idea what the cause is

[shut violet]

The last stable Nvidia driver for Wilds is 572.83 afaik

and for many other games too

[fading cape]

Ik i was just saying in case they fixed wilds

doesn't seem like it though

maybe next driver since they finally acknowledged it again

[rustic bridge]

Last AT hunt gave me 4 tickets lol

the details of the gamma set are amazing

recolored with silver/saturated red

[rocky bear]

why some sliders disappeared? game brightness/max peak brightness etc
Renodx version 3.8.1 (latest version from pinned comment), was not like this last time i opened mh wilds (3 weeks ago)

[thin fjord]

Your game is not in hdr it seems

Try disabling and enabling hdr in game

[rocky bear]

nvm sliders appeared on their own, but something's off..

[white wyvern]

I have the same thing. Windows, monitor and game are in HDR.

[rich finch]

Did you update your driver? And amd vs nvidia? I know with AMD current drivers are very unhappy with seeing VRR monitors as HDR with Wilds. The options are to disable VRR or to modify the freesync range with CRU. I had some luck changing the monitor to 12-bit YCBCR 4:4:4 with the driver, but that made Rise crash even if it made wilds happy.

Something to do with wanting the game in fullscreen to display HDR. But wilds doesn't have fullscreen exclusive (neither does DX12 without tricks).

If Nvidia it's possible their latest drivers picked up the same issue.

[wicked spindle]

I am on latest drivers now but haven't tested with mhwilds, I will have to check if I have this problem when I get home later tonight

[rich finch]

One way to tell if it's doing that is I found windows auto-hdr will work, but brightness won't say "HDR" in it in the settings.

Solutions for AMD are basically to delete the freesync entry and remake it in CRU. Some people say 68hz-240hz or whatnot depending on monitor but I found using the monitors normal range also worked. It's weird.

[rich finch]

I don't know how it solves it or any of that jazz just that it makes the game seemingly happy.

[wicked spindle]

Nope on latest drivers and reno is still working like always

[rich finch]

Not that then unless it's also monitor dependent.

[wispy oriole]

another thing, using the RCAS Sharpness even at 1 makes the game oversharpned, the difference to 1 and 0 is higher than 1 to 50, i dont know if it its something with Lilium RCAS or RenoDX

[merry tartan]

That’s just the way CAS is. With 0 we don’t draw the shader at all. With CAS, a value of 0 still sharpens the image.

That’s why the jump is sudden, cause it’s sharpening on vs off in general

Most games don’t actually disable it at 0

[wispy oriole]

thats unfortunote, my game is a bit blurry but with RCAS on 1 its turns oversharpened, but thanks for the atention man

[fading cape]

man some mod be breaking my game

thought it was nvdia driver but no

it just goes to a black screen after loading

[trim tangle]

Have you checked Nexus for mod updates?

[rich finch]

Also if you decompressed the textures be sure to check if they had a game update since well...gotta do it all over again and verify integrity since one file is likely empty.

[fading cape]

Yeah I update all my mods and I never used the decompressor

I ended up turning on and off the mod preset on fluffy and that fixed it oddly enough

[unreal egret]

Hello

What are the best renodx settings for MH wilds please?

[dawn harness]

Isn't default usually the best for most?

Any tweaking required would be for your own specific set.

[thin fjord]

use one of the two presets (vanilla + or filmic) and adjust to taste from there

[unreal egret]

thank you guys

i think default is good

@dawn harness @thin fjord I think i should set game brightness at 203 nits instead of the default (142 i think)

[thin fjord]

depends on what your max brigtness is, but yeah

[fading cape]

I've been having issues with wilds more and more

rolling back to 572.83 doesn't help

Made it worse somehow

I legit just crashed twice in a row

Like fully not just the game now

[shut violet]

are you using REF mods while REF is injected through SK?

[fading cape]

i don't even use sk

besides for skiv

[glacial plank]

@fading cape try changing these lines in config.ini in the main directory:
ParallelBuildCommandList=Enable
ParallelBuildProcessorCount=6

by default it stays at 8 and it caused issues to me with crashing after one of the updates (I think they changed it to this value)

but after swapping it to 6 I had 0 crashes

[trim tangle]

Why 6...?

[glacial plank]

idk it works for me

I assume it does not allow to use fully use some of the threads during some tasks by the game for the processor so it doesn't crash/lock out but still works the same

[trim tangle]

I've never had the game crash, and I'm using

ParallelBuildCommandList=Enable
ParallelBuildProcessorCount=16

[trim tangle]

Have you cleared your driver shader cache? Tried running without mods, and then added mods one at a time? What about checking for mod updates?

[trim tangle]

But it's not really a solution ~ it doesn't really fix anything, just hides symptoms.

[glacial plank]

well it literally solved all my crash issues

so I thought i'd share

I'm not exactly a technician to know how it worked I just know it did xd

[trim tangle]

And you don't know why? Mods? Driver and version?

[glacial plank]

no idea why yeah, I'm using clean 572.83 but I've used different ones before too

for mods it's reframework and lens distortion I don't remember if I had anything else, been a while since I played actively

it just started crashing after one of the patches

so I assumed they changed something in the config

and considering how lazy a lot of their stuff was them just enabling multithreading without properly testing it sounded pretty possible

I think it might be possible that the config itself was an issue and changing values could've affected it, but I'm pretty sure I tested it back then by putting setting back to 8 and it crashed again

so maybe it's processor related

I'm using 7800x3d if that helps, 2part processors might work differenty if that was even related to that setting specifically

[trim tangle]

What GPU?

[trim tangle]

Also, what GPU?

For Nvidia 4000 series and below, 566.36 is the superior driver, unless you really, really, really need anything newer for whatever reason

Anything past 566.36 has been a buggy nightmare, and Nvidia seemingly haven't been able to fix the bugfest to this day

[glacial plank]

gigabyte oc 4070 ti super

[trim tangle]

Downgrade to 566.36, clear driver cache and tell me if it still crashes

[glacial plank]

clean install fixed all the bugs for me (by clean install I mean DDU and driver install tuning)

bro I'm not doing anything to QA test mhwilds anymore lol

[trim tangle]

That won't resolve the bugginess

[trim tangle]

You're blaming Wilds instead of Nvidia's shitty drivers

[glacial plank]

I just shared my suggestion to the person struggling that's it

[trim tangle]

It's known that drivers beyond version 566.36 for a mess for 4000 series and below

Users have been having a lot of random issues ~ and some say they don't have any issues

There's apparently no rhyme or reason to the bugs

[glacial plank]

my take on that is that fresh drivers are bloating stuff upon installation and cause issues because once I did the true clean install everything works perfectly for me on 572.83

no stutters no black screens upon rest mode for the monitor nothing

[trim tangle]

Meanwhile you post suggestions that merely hide symptoms caused by buggy drivers

[glacial plank]

bro

I'm not here to argue with you or to hold the absolute truth about the problem

I just shared a solution that worked for me

I don't care

ok?

[trim tangle]

Yes, but you don't even know why it worked, just that it "did". It's basically a hack that solves nothing but kick the can down the road.

If the game is crashing with 8, it's not the game, it's something else

[shut violet]

572.83 is working perfectly fine, with a 4080, on my PC. I don’t think that the driver alone is the problem, and I need no ini edits to not crash.

Maybe it’s the Windows version or the OC becomes unstable with the driver. It’s hard to tell. Testing the game with 566.36 is a good idea, but it should work fine with 572.83 too.

[trim tangle]

Yeah, as I said, the issues are rather random, from what I've read online. Some have issues, others don't.

[fading cape]

https://www.nexusmods.com/monsterhunterwilds/mods/2232?tab=posts

anyone tried this?

[thin fjord]

No, but the comments keep saying it crashes.

[trim tangle]

Probably AMD users ~ problem is that AMD adheres strictly to driver standards, while Nvidia treats them as suggestions that they can ignore as they please, causing endless issues.

Which is why the Seikret Alma mod crashes only seems to affect AMD users...

[fading cape]

Speaking of drivers there’s a new nvidia driver

It’s supposed to fix issues with stability for wilds

🤞

[shut violet]

"Slight stutter may be observed on certain LG TVs at lower refresh rates when G-SYNC is enabled [5198025]"

it's fixed

interesting

[rustic bridge]

did anybody try this? I don't want to break my game files

[trim tangle]

Dump it in natives ~ if stuff breaks, delete the folder. Of course, back up your current natives folder, if you have one, just in-case.

I recently starting having crashing issues with Seikret Alma for some reason :|

So had to do just that...

[wanton belfry]

https://www.nexusmods.com/monsterhunterwilds/mods/1923?tab=description

Latest update just fixed the game for me

I changed StagingBufferSize to 256mb and used cpu decomp on a 9800x3d and the stutters are gone

[shut violet]

One of the REF updates fixed the stuttering for me

a month ago or so

REF+SK

[dawn harness]

Finally a fix for this?

[fading cape]

even more weird bugs for wilds with new nvidia driver update

why even release a driver if you aren't going to fix anything

[alpine tree]

Might aswell just stick to version 566.36

Everything above that is just a mess for no reason

[trim tangle]

It's possible that they've done so many changes to the 570 series drivers to support 5000 series that they can't even fix the bugs it causes for 4000 series and below, lmao.

[fading cape]

makes since

[alpine tree]

Legit lmao

They're letting ai make the drivers now

[fading cape]

i only had two blackscreens and very infrequent crashes on wilds before the driver before the newest

now i can't even launch the game

gets worse every update

[alpine tree]

Yeah same

[trim tangle]

Using AI to write or autocomplete code is a nightmare ~ it causes more bugs than just writing it fully by hand. Good luck to the programmers that have to fix all the mistakes.

[fading cape]

just updated my bios for the first time in a while maybe ill be able to launch the game

nope

also my ram is corrupted now or something

[trim tangle]

Try reinstalling your Nvidia driver via DDU?

[fading cape]

you talking about the latest one?

i haven't rolled back yet

but i didn't even have issues with 572.83 before .02 but it still had issues when i rolled back to it so maybe i should use ddu i typically just do a clean install. I was hoping the newest one would fix issues i had but nah

[trim tangle]

Whatever you're using now, I guess, just to compare. Try 566.36 if nothing else.

[fading cape]

that seemed to fix it somehow (for now atleast)

latest driver still

shaders legit took like 30 minutes to compile idk what was going on

[trim tangle]

Have you set up your Wilds config file properly?

ParallelBuildCommandList=Enable
ParallelBuildProcessorCount=<number of logical CPU cores>

[fading cape]

"properly"

im just leaving the game default as much as possible

[zinc sapphire]

anyone on nvidia 576.40?

Fixed Gaming Bugs:
[Monster Hunter Wilds] Random stability issues [5204023]

[trim tangle]

Possibly #1347155473266114580 message

Maybe try doing a DDU reinstall :/

[zinc sapphire]

I don't have issues fyi

just asking in general

[wanton belfry]

The ref fixed the stutters but my frames where still all over the place, using rtx 5070 ti and 9800x3d. StagingBufferSize to 256mb fixed this

[zinc sapphire]

the new nivida driver works for me fwiw

[shut violet]

I'm kinda scared to isntall the new driver ngl

haha

576.x broke many DX12 games

[zinc sapphire]

ok updated this shit again, time to see if it works

works

no more out of vram issues with high res texture pack (as expected)

but:

yeah maybe don't update driver @shut violet 😂

I don't want to play anyway, was just checking

[shut violet]

ah yes our "friend" the DXGI error

long live 572.83

[zinc sapphire]

no idea what nvidia driver devs are smoking since this year

probably too much AI "help"

[trim tangle]

I've seen a disturbing amount of hype for AI on Hacker News, but I'm not sure how representative they are of industry trends...

[zinc sapphire]

I mean makes sense

hackernews is a "founder"/VC hellhole

so yeah :)

[wicked spindle]

I'm now on newest driver and it's running pretty good now. Played last night for about 4 hours straight without much issue. Frames can still get a little stuttery in base camps but it think that is just inevitable in this game. Am also using the direct storage ref plugin with stagebuffersize set to 256mb

[indigo stratus]

What is this stagebuffersize and what does it do?

[trim tangle]

https://www.nexusmods.com/monsterhunterwilds/mods/1923

Update1.1.0:
Add a dll plugin to set custom StagingBufferSize.
Open .ini file to edit it.
Recommend value: 32, 64, 128, 256, game default 64mb.
Increase bandwidth saturation at a price lower render budget.
High-end rig try set it to 256mb or 128mb.

[wanton belfry]

Yeah 256mb did the trick for me

[indigo stratus]

thank you, i did not realize it got an update, standard was 128 and im using 256 now, lets see if there is a difference

[magic pawn]

[fading cape]

suprisingly the ddu seems to have fixed all problems i've had still

haven't had any crashes since

despite still being on the latest driver

[shut violet]

573.82 works fine so no reason to change, for now 😄

[wanton belfry]

I have to ddu on every new driver since rtx 5000. Always some game that crashes trying to use old shaders

[undone hare]

Damn x3d is wild... Built a "budget" high end build for a friend and he's getting more fps on a 7600x3d/9070xt than I do on a 7700x/4090 at 4k lol

[fading cape]

that is crazy

probably something else going on too

[merry tartan]

CPU bottlenecks are rough

[fading cape]

3d cpus be worse on some games

like minecraft

more single core performance ig idk

[trim tangle]

Massive L3 cache is pretty nice 🤤

[trim tangle]

On Windows, perhaps...? Java Minecraft just zooms on Linux ~ Java just seems to run better on Linux in general. Maybe it's CPU scheduling stuff.

[wanton belfry]

You need sodium for windows minecraft

[trim tangle]

You need it for Linux Minecraft too, because default Java Minecraft is shit in general. Microsoft wants it that way, so Bedrock can appear "better".

[tawdry spindle]

did they ever fix the massive stutters with the high res textures pack?

[zinc sapphire]

no

you need to unpack the textures

search in here

that's the only reliable way

[cloud vessel]

Man

Sk breaks Reno now

Updating sk is like a fucking coin flip if it's gonna break anything

[dawn harness]

In Wilds? RIP

[fading cape]

never used it anyway

https://tenor.com/view/dog-silly-happy-to-sad-sad-oh-no-gif-16376839573759608900

[cloud vessel]

Yea but it probably breaks shit in other stuff

[red temple]

depends how you load reno / reshade with it

[cloud vessel]

Nah it's fucked in all ways

Tried all the ways

[red temple]

Works fine here when done in a specific way

Can’t say that cause I’ve played entire games with it like that so that’s just factually wrong

I haven’t tried with this game though

[cloud vessel]

It used to work with renodx

Some update in the past couple weeks borked it

I've tried

Regular reshade dxgi

Reshade64

Reshade loaded as an add-on in Early or late

And it simply makes the game not hdr

There's an interaction in there somewhere that breaks

I have not tried a local sk install

[coral notch]

just did a fresh install and it's working fine for me. using sk 25.5.15.1, ref 1152, reno 3.8

auto-loading reframework as REFramework.dll and reshade as ReShade64.dll

keeping reframework as dinput8.dll also works

[shut violet]

It works for me too

[cloud vessel]

Actually just sk alone is fucking over my hdr

The fuck is it doin

[dawn harness]

In Wilds? It didn't do anything to my HDR, native HDR worked fine.

'Fine' as in, it was bad but that's just how the game is.

[cloud vessel]

It's making windows think the games not hdr

[dawn harness]

SK didn't interfere.

[cloud vessel]

So everything is Uber saturated

Only when I launch with sk

Even without reshade

It's doin something

[dawn harness]

Open HDR window in SK, and make sure it's set to either no HDR or HDR10 passthrough.

If that doesn't fix it, then idk. Your shit seems cooked.

[cloud vessel]

It switched to hdr10

How

Why

I never opened that menu b4 I didn't even know it existed lmao

Time to try with Reno then

[dawn harness]

RenoDX loaded via central ReShade install in SK has worked for me from day one.

[cloud vessel]

Yeah it worked for me in the past

But I guess somehow sk started tryna manage the HDR and that borked it

Is there a keybind for it that I hit or smth

[dawn harness]

Might be, not sure.

CTRL+SHIFT+= usually opens that window for me.

[cloud vessel]

Hm

[dawn harness]

but idk if I set that shit ages ago, or that's how it ships default.

[cloud vessel]

Actually

I had to

Switch the HDR off in sk and then back to HDR 10

Now it looks fine

Time to reput renodx

[dawn harness]

Yeah, when there's native HDR in the game, SK will put that HDR10 tab in passthrough mode. So, you can tweak it further if you want, or keep it by default how the game gives you.

[cloud vessel]

Well after messing with the HDR settings it works now

I never touched those settings so I have no idea how it broke in the past

Oh well

[dawn harness]

At least it works now.

Remember that you can always 'reset' your profile from here.

This will make it as you launching the game for the first time with SK.

Good for troubleshooting and such if you find yourself in a weird scenario like that again.

[dire citrus]

I dread updating all mods and reunpacking textures to play again...

I might have heard something about Vortex alternative for keeping mods up to date, any idea if there is one?

[fading cape]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAsxlyygMNs

Akumas moves probably gonna be pretty cool in HDR

[oak glacier]

I'm having issues loading renodx in monster hunter wilds, I'm using SK to load reshade as ReShade64.dll

16:55:10:172 [23784] | INFO  | Loading externally registered add-on "Special K" ...
16:55:10:172 [23784] | INFO  | Searching for add-ons (*.addon, *.addon64) in 'C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\MonsterHunterWilds' ...
16:55:10:172 [23784] | INFO  | Loading add-on from 'C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\MonsterHunterWilds\renodx-mhwilds.addon64' ...
16:55:10:173 [23784] | WARN  | No add-on was registered by 'C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\MonsterHunterWilds\renodx-mhwilds.addon64'. Unloading again ...

Seems to work if you inject ReShade via SK (not local folder) and the addon via SK (not local folder)

[red temple]

i would load it in the way sk prefers, in the AddOns folder inside the SK game profile

[dawn harness]

Yeah, central install of ReShade in SK and then load RenoDX how V-Sync just mentioned.

Worked great for me from day one.

[trim tangle]

https://info.monsterhunter.com/wilds/update/en-us/Ver.1.011.00.00.html

– Monsters resistant to paralysis now gain more paralysis resistance each time the ailment is triggered on them.
No more paralysis abuse 👌

[zinc sapphire]

– Improved visibility by adjusting the transparency effect for large monsters that appear close to the camera.
possible shader change? hope it won't break RenoDX 🐸

[zinc sapphire]

good, now I can change my CB back from para lol

👀

[trim tangle]

Hopefully not... but we'll see.

[trim tangle]

Paralysis was boring anyways ~ elemental builds are more fun

[zinc sapphire]

true

[red temple]

inbefore performance is still total ass

[zinc sapphire]

probably

[trim tangle]

It's just RE Engine things. :|

[red temple]

game dev skill issue*

they are the least talented capcom dev team lets be honest

[trim tangle]

Nah, that honour goes to the DD2 team

RE Engine just sucks massively for any open-world title

[zinc sapphire]

DD2 runs and looks great now, but NPCs will spawn and despawn in your face

[red temple]

a plumber doesnt blame their tools

same shit with game devs, talent can work around any issue

it's very much a skill issue

[trim tangle]

Wilds doesn't have that issue ~ except for the very rare bug I have never encountered

[trim tangle]

No... sorry, but game engines have limits. RE Engine was simply never designed for open world titles.

[zinc sapphire]

that is not an "issue" but a choice

because the npc logic was tanking the fps lmao

so odd

they did a much better job in wilds

[trim tangle]

Talent can only contort a game engine's quirks so far before the game engine just can't be bruteforced into behaving.

RE Engine is a corridor engine

And suffers massively with lots of NPCs to handle

[red temple]

ok but have you seen mh wilds performance standing still? it's very clear the game devs don't know what the hell they're doing

[trim tangle]

So it's a miracle that Wilds manages to not blow up

[red temple]

jedi survivor levels of crap

[trim tangle]

Wilds performance varies significantly depending on the scenario

Different areas have different results

[red temple]

which is a sign of poor optimisation

[trim tangle]

No, it's a sign of an engine struggling to deliver

I've played the game long enough now

I've been to every area in every map, and have noticed lots of oddities with the FPS

[red temple]

you're not a game engine developer so you're not qualified to say that

[trim tangle]

Some areas are good ~ others, oddly not so

[trim tangle]

Look who's talking...

All I can say are my observations

[red temple]

we can agree to disagree then

[trim tangle]

I know at least enough about game engines on a surface level to know that RE Engine is awful for open world titles, and seems to struggle with lots of complex AI running at once

[trim tangle]

Then you're showing how disingenuous you are

[red temple]

people love to blame engines when it's normally the people involved fault

ignoring the fact the game devs dont have all the time in the world, you can see how corners would be cut

and then people blame that on the engine itself? nah

almost like being rushed makes a games performance worse

[trim tangle]

You just show how little you understand ~ it can be both or either, depending on a whole host of factors.

[trim tangle]

The game was rushed by about 6 months, it has been believed, given it's state and the TUs that have been released.

The game started developed just before the COVID era hit, so there were many delays.

[trim tangle]

Game engines can be very much at fault ~ they're not universal.

Different engines can be very much tuned to specific tasks, outside of which they fail abysmally.

[red temple]

i guess we both have no evidence for either of our opinions

so they are both equally invalid

[dawn harness]

A bad plumber does!

[dawn harness]

I like this version of martyrdom.

[red temple]

it would be interesting to see a noclip documentary interviewing people about crunch time on various projects throughout their career

to think about how some game could've turned out way better with an additional 6 months of work

[trim tangle]

You're the one who claimed that game devs are just idiots who don't know how to optimize for a game engine

[red temple]

i never said idiots

i said skill issue

[trim tangle]

Yet the MH devs are easily the most competent

[red temple]

you have no proof of that

[trim tangle]

It's effectively the same thing

[red temple]

no it isnt

[trim tangle]

Compared to the DD2 devs, anyways

[trim tangle]

That's how it came across

[red temple]

well that's not how i meant it

[trim tangle]

Then pick your words better

[red temple]

i mean you have no idea what senior person switched teams at the last minute to save some game or tech because game development is shrouded in secrecy for some reason

[trim tangle]

Now you're just speculating...

[red temple]

so are you mate

[trim tangle]

You make so many presumptions based on nothing at all

[red temple]

that;s the point

so are you

[trim tangle]

No, the point is that you accused the game devs of a "skill issue". You can't then try and shift the blame.

[red temple]

just agree to disagree for fucks sake, who cares

[trim tangle]

All I can do is state that they probably did the best they could with the engine they were provided

Capcom's management were also probably breathing down their necks somewhat

[red temple]

in the time provided*

[trim tangle]

In others words, you have no idea what you're talking about

[trim tangle]

You did, very much, just a minute ago.

[red temple]

which often is not enough, due to working constraints or greedy publishers

[trim tangle]

So don't accuse the devs of a "skill issue" when the end product clearly has a lot of love and care put into it

[red temple]

im sure the art team cared

i'm not so sure the tech team cared

[trim tangle]

RE Engine is known to be awful with open-engine games, with lots of NPCs, yet it's better than DD2 was with a lot of NPCs and big areas, so it seems reasonable to conclude that the MH team is just more experienced

[trim tangle]

Again, with your baseless accusations

The art and tech teams would have worked very closely to achieve their vision

What is see is the product of a team that did the best they could with the tools they had

[red temple]

i dont see how a experienced team could release such a shoddy product, well the tech team failed then
do you work for them? why do you care what i think about them?

[trim tangle]

Because you understand seemingly... nothing about game engines, game development and game publishers

When you make broad sweeping statements like that

[red temple]

you haven't proved you understand anything about game development either

[trim tangle]

The tech team didn't "fail" at all ~ the game was mostly stable, even with a base release

Though it seems that DirectStorage stuff was fucked up

That is, streaming of assets

That's an engine issue

[trim tangle]

You can't just go "no you" as an argument. That doesn't work.

[red temple]

i havent heard an argument from you about why the devs deserve any credit

[trim tangle]

I haven't heard an argument from you about why they don't
Only "skill issue" ~ which isn't an argument. It's a baseless assumption based on a shallow understanding of the game.

How much of the game have you even played?

[red temple]

you dont need to play the game when there are performance reviews and benchmarks

[trim tangle]

lmao ~ many of those are really bad indicators of actual performance overall, because they don't do thorough testing of different areas and scenarios

[red temple]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yhacyXcizA

[trim tangle]

You basically have no idea what you're talking about if you've not played the game

[trim tangle]

Yes, I know ~ but that doesn't change my argument

I've played the game long enough ~ HR 124 ~ to know how each area performs on my system

[red temple]

stable doesn't mean the game runs without crashing, it means a baseline of acceptable performance, of which the game did not have at launch

[trim tangle]

Some areas are great, some are fine, some are... something that doesn't really make sense

[trim tangle]

Yes, but the game wasn't terrible by any means

DirectStorage upgrades did wonders for the performance

[red temple]

if you release a product like that at launch, you've failed
IMO

[trim tangle]

Hinting at streaming issues

[trim tangle]

Monster Hunter World was atrocious at launch too

It got really good ~ then they broke it with Iceborne

Then they fixed it again

[red temple]

there is an entire DF video proving this statement wrong

[trim tangle]

Then you're cherry-picking whatever you want to believe

[red temple]

???

im talking about launch right now

[trim tangle]

The DF team has no particular insights into Wilds

[red temple]

they have insight into pc performance

and it sucked for wilds

[trim tangle]

It was mostly stable for ME

Maybe not on their systems

[red temple]

lol

now who's out there with the ridiculous arguments, works on my machine is not a valid take

[trim tangle]

You take one video, and extrapolate it to all hell

[trim tangle]

What you don't understand is that it means that the engine works fine in certain conditions, and just crumples under others

Which speaks of engine issues, not game dev "skill issues"

The engine just can't keep up without bruteforcing

But from my gameplay experience, the game devs did their very best

DirectStorage seems to be the worst plague for Wilds, though

It causes a lot of streaming issues for assets, leading to lots of weirdness

It's not just Wilds ~ other games have been ruined by DirectStorage issues

[red temple]

you can't prove that, just as i can't prove the opposite

[trim tangle]

I'm not trying to "prove" anything ~ just that that's the pattern

[red temple]

pattern doesnt equal reality

[trim tangle]

How about getting evidence of the supposed game dev "skill issue" claim?

[red temple]

like i said before

[trim tangle]

And baseless nonsense without evidence also isn't reality

[red temple]

this

[trim tangle]

How about playing the game?

[red temple]

i dont need to when there is footage and benchmarks on youtube

[trim tangle]

It's a bullshit statement that means nothing

[red temple]

lol

you need to calm down

[trim tangle]

Then you have no right to claim really anything when you haven't played the game yourself

I've watched videos, benchmarks, and played the game extensively

[red temple]

there's benchmarks and footage from all versions of the game on youtube

[trim tangle]

I've fought every monster

[trim tangle]

That's just not enough

It tells you nothing about how it will play on your system

[red temple]

sure it is

[trim tangle]

Or whether you will enjoy it or not

[red temple]

if they have the same specs as me, why would it not be?

i dont enjoy games that perform badly

[trim tangle]

Why the hell are you wasting time on benchmarks instead of playing it yourself?

[red temple]

because some of us aren't weak willed gamers willing to buy anything to find out

[trim tangle]

I may as well consider all of your opinions invalid unless you play it yourself for long enough

[trim tangle]

lmao. The game doesn't even perform half-bad.

[red temple]

again, benchmarks with frametimes exist, unless you're saying that they mean nothing as well

[trim tangle]

No, I'm just saying that they're not the be-all and end-all

[red temple]

they are a good judge of performance

[trim tangle]

You're treating them like the final word

[trim tangle]

Not for continuous updates and improvements

DF has a point, yes, but they did no real in-depth testing from my experience

They did enough to expose the issues

But that's about all

[red temple]

cant be arsed to argue with you anymore, feel whatever you want to feel but game devs get far too much slack from the public willing to tolerate crap performance IMO

[trim tangle]

I play because I trust the devs ability to improve performance and smoothness over time

Which they genuinely are ~ they listen to player feedback

[trim tangle]

Showing that you understand nothing at all about how much effort game devs put into making a game work

You don't understand the effort or cost put into it

[red temple]

i dont care stop tagging me

[trim tangle]

You don't understand that RE Engine is well-known at this point to suffer in open-world games, but the MH devs can only do so much

[trim tangle]

You care ~ far too much, for someone who's never played the game, understands nothing about game development, and only has the most shallow analysis from benchmarks and reviews that don't get a full spectrum analysis of the game performance, nevermind testing updates against older versions properly

[red temple]

if you say so

[trim tangle]

Then play the game or talk about games you do play, in the appropriate channels

[red temple]

you're the one still talking

[trim tangle]

And you keep replying

[red temple]

you are tagging me

[trim tangle]

So what? It's Discord. Move on.

[red temple]

i was taught to reply when spoken to

this is on you

dont tag me and i wont reply, that's how it works

[thin fjord]

and you know the engine like the back of your hand I assume. It could be the engine, it could be capcom devs not knowing how to make open world games. How do you know which is it? what real insight do you have into this?

[red temple]

dont bother mate, bro couldn't even accept the fact i said my opinion was ALSO invalid lol

[trim tangle]

Don't use that excuse on me, please

[red temple]

it's not an excuse, it's my reality

[thin fjord]

I am genuinely curious tho, maybe he does know.

[trim tangle]

Quite possibly the MH devs do not know ~ but they seem to have better idea of it than the DD2 devs.
My admitted only insights comes all of the atrocious issues I've seen raised by those who played DD2 ~ especially the NPC despawning weirdness.
MH Wilds just does so much better with tons of AI, unlike DD2, so it raises questions for me.
That said, DD2 does manage excellent open-world environments when there is no AI stuff to deal with...

[trim tangle]

But you don't have to reply

Can you accept that?

[thin fjord]

so it's all guessing

[red temple]

either he's a dev defending his team (doubtful) or he believes the fact game devs never fork engines mid development to fix problems like The Coalition did with Gears 5 and UE4, a game of which had no shader comp stutter in an open world, famously bad for UE4

[trim tangle]

I've played MH Wilds extensively and modded it enough to know that Wilds is not game dev "skill issue", at least. If anything, something is awfully wrong with RE Engine and it's DirectStorage implementation.

[red temple]

i was taught to reply if asked a question

[thin fjord]

you see we can definitely tell UE4/5 are awful at open world, because there is a huge sample size of games from different developers all with the same issues

[trim tangle]

Indeed, that is true ~ but I've also seen enough... fanboys(?) claim that it's not the engine... that it's just game devs not knowing anything

[red temple]

we can also see game devs aren't little babies incapable of fixing performance problems as proven with Gears 5 and its open world design

[trim tangle]

Nevermind that UE has awful documentation

Whereas the MH devs have full, direct access to everything about RE Engine in-house.

[thin fjord]

I am ready to believe you, but you don't know anything either just like the fanboys defending

[trim tangle]

Fair enough ~ what I will say is that I haven't seen any reason to believe that the MH devs have a "skill issue"

[red temple]

the truth is no one knows but the fact they are using their own in house engine and they can't use it in ways, or fork it and make changes to improve it, speaks volumes about how much talent is there to be honest

i refer back to the gears 5, forked UE4, for open world example

[trim tangle]

That just rubs me the wrong way, that thought and logic

[thin fjord]

it probably is no different to UE, they probably have a separate engine team that documents and support similar to how it would be with a 3rd party. But again it's all just guessing.

[trim tangle]

It speaks nothing but what you believe ~ you don't know anything about what goes on at Capcom

[red temple]

neither do you pal

[trim tangle]

I don't either, but I won't bag the devs

[thin fjord]

no, they definitely have improved it and adjusted it what do you mean.

[red temple]

so accept the fact we are both wrong

[trim tangle]

They made World work really well

They broke it, fixed it, broke it, fixed it, and it runs excellently

Wilds? Well, it's still early days, perhaps

[thin fjord]

World was a terribly optimized game as well

[trim tangle]

Yeah, at launch

[thin fjord]

it got better towards the end yeah

[trim tangle]

Yeah, they broke their optimizations with Iceborne, then fixed that again

[thin fjord]

and they had like a decade with the NT framework engine by then too

[trim tangle]

Any good game devs will do just that

They learn from feedback and listen to their players

[thin fjord]

right....

[trim tangle]

If players complain, and they try and fix, that's good

[thin fjord]

usually true yeah

[trim tangle]

So far, the devs seem to be pushing out tons of fixes ~ along with trying to fix the performance issues over time

[trim tangle]

Yeah ~ apparently they had to really contort MT Framework into behaving, as it wasn't suited for maps like the Ancient Forest

I recall reading some stuff that it was tricky to make work

But the end result was quite good

[red temple]

when you're selling a product for money, there is an expectation of an acceptable baseline of performance
i wont speak to how the product is now but it is very clear that it was unacceptable for launch, a point in time at which they are charging the most amount of money for

if you want to defend that practice, go ahead and i'll start ignoring you

[trim tangle]

Expectations can be very unrealistic

[red temple]

did you even look at the df video? it was unacceptable

[trim tangle]

The game seemed to be rather polished at launch, despite the issues it had

I played it day one

I blazed through the story

It was... acceptable

Yes, it struggled at times, but it wasn't particularly bad

It's just better than it used to be, which is good

[red temple]

we clearly have very different baselines of what acceptable means

[trim tangle]

And yours is based on not even having played the game to get a feel for what that means

I'm rather familiar with Wilds various hiccups now

[red temple]

well my experience wouldn't be any different to yours if i played at launch

[trim tangle]

You cannot know that, having never played it

[red temple]

i dont buy broken ports

i watched the video

i wouldnt pay money for that

[trim tangle]

It's not a port ~ it's DirectStorage being shit

[red temple]

stop getting hung up on words

im talking about the technicals of the game

directstorage being coded shit you mean

works fine in other games

[thin fjord]

the PS version has all the same issues. It's not a broken port, just a poorly optimized game overall.

[trim tangle]

No, you've only mentioned "game dev skill issue" and linked a video that you've mentioned nothing from

[thin fjord]

but yeah don't buy stuff you don't support

seems reasonable

[red temple]

bro cant accept my opinion

[trim tangle]

Console performance is... very sad, yeah :/

[trim tangle]

Because your opinion is very much uninformed

I've followed every bit of info on performance bugs since day 1

[red temple]

broken port is just another way of saying bad perf

[trim tangle]

No, it's not

[red temple]

it is to me

[trim tangle]

Then your definitions... baffle me

There's bad performance, yes... but it's not a port of anything

It was released on all platforms day 1

[red temple]

who gives a fuck

bad perf is bad perf

[trim tangle]

You did, apparently

[trim tangle]

But not a bad port ~ they're not the same

[red temple]

im not arguing definitions with you

get back on subject

[trim tangle]

We... never left...?

[red temple]

well the conversation would end if you stopped, fucking, tagging me

[trim tangle]

Then choose to stop ~ change your patterns, if it bothers you so much

[red temple]

fuck you

[trim tangle]

Well... rewatching the video, it's as I remember ~ all related to DirectStorage

The frametime hitches when turning the camera, the low texture quality ~ it's all streaming issues, caused by DirectStorage

Some games actually fixed their performance issues by allowing DirectStorage to be turned off

But DirectStorage is built into the game's foundations, possibly...? So, no solutions in that regard.

Just the devs trying to fix DirectStorage being pure arse.

The CPU bottlenecks on lots of NPCs too... if you don't bruteforce it with a decent CPU. Which is known issue with RE Engine and NPCs ~ it just can't handle so many.

Which is why DD2 has such shocking issues ~ and probably why the devs made the game aggressively despawn them

Wilds also struggles GPU-wise, as RE Engine is a corridor shooter engine being forced to run an open-world with lots and lots of details and rendered NPCs

But it's still better than DD2... somehow

[wanton belfry]

not even 9800x3d can bruteforce this creation

[rustic bridge]

new update, 4GB download, very long patching

oh fk, it's redownloading all textures haha

i forgot to reverse old textures pack

[indigo stratus]

im jealous on that downloading speed

[shut violet]

Patch notes: https://info.monsterhunter.com/wilds/update/en-us/Ver.1.011.00.00.html

I'm still at the very beginning of the game haha

[thin fjord]

anyone teste the VRAM usage optimization?

[wicked spindle]

Anyone know if the update broke any mods?

[trim tangle]

It's why I just resorted to doing the full replacement method ~ and then backing up the vanilla files with a .bak suffix. I don't let Steam auto-update, so I can first restore the vanilla files.

[trim tangle]

Yes, various. Reframework mods should probably still work fine. Natives mods... well, https://www.nexusmods.com/monsterhunterwilds/mods/1651 exists, happily

A bunch of natives mods won't work at the moment, alas

I renamed them in my mods folder with a -broken suffix, so I know to not use them until an update arrives

[rustic bridge]

jesus capcom milking on dlc

[fading cape]

Yeah fr who the hell would buy that

[rustic bridge]

tempered gore magala is very challenging

25min hunt

the host played HH with full support

to avoid carting lol

that reminds me i have to decompress textures again

textures are lacking resolution on my screenshots

[rain sigil]

Sorry, are you saying that even if I enabled the HD texture pack. certain scenes/objects won't use hd textures, unless I do decompression?

[rustic bridge]

Steam redownloaded the dlc textures so I was using high textures after the update to avoid high res stutters.

I redid the decompression, make the hardlink and high res textures are working smoothly

I'm also using the directstorage mod to enforce the gpu decompression

https://www.nexusmods.com/monsterhunterwilds/mods/1923

The latest version has a buffer size option

I'm using 256MB buffer

[indigo stratus]

i had to reinstall the game, can someone tell me why the reshade addon is not loading correctly?

[wanton belfry]

Try latest

[indigo stratus]

I tried that one already but i will again :/

no luck so far

[wanton belfry]

And latest reframework?

Try reinstall reframework

[indigo stratus]

Well i did, i reinstalled the game, so i downloaded everything again

[indigo stratus]

Somehow worked installing reshade "officaly" through the installer, idk why but im happy

[rain sigil]

renodx wilds updated to reshade 6.5.0

[indigo stratus]

good to know

[fading cape]

Is there a new addon file?

[rain sigil]

nexus

[trim tangle]

You can also download RenoDX from https://github.com/clshortfuse/renodx/releases/tag/snapshot
Look for renodx-mhwilds.addon64

[frosty crypt]

I just installed ReNODX for this game and set the peak brightness to the same value as in the Windows HDR calibration tool. Everything looks fine, but with ReNODX, everything appears much darker. Is this normal? I'm still kind of new to this ReNODX thing and don't know how to set it up properly.

[dense knot]

You can take a screenshot with reshade and post it here

RenoDX mods usually match vanilla game as much as possible, but MH Wilds vanilla is bad so this specific mod is opinionated

[frosty crypt]

Don't know if I did this correctly. The second one is with reno Vanilla+ preset, nothing changed, just peak brightness as instructed. I used this mod in Calir Obscur and indeed it looked excatly the same in terms of brightness that why I'm asking

[dense knot]

It looks right.

[dawn harness]

Yeah, it looks right, and much better.

I was talking about this the other day actually, it was my first RenoDX mod and I thought i installed it broken or something, with the amount of difference it made.

Played a bit more and much preferred it, took a lil getting used to, though.

Especially in dark areas.

Lava areas are eyes searing now, too.

Takes a few seconds to adjust my eyes after I leave that area, lol

FWIW, I played the game vanilla HDR for 50hrs, and then used RenoDX for another 20hrs or so (until I stopped playing), so I've seen every single area and instance in vanilla HDR

And then revisited most with RenoDX, and would highly recommend RenoDX overall.

I see you're only 50mins in so you might be hesitant, but if I were doing another playthrough, I'd just stick with RenoDX from start.

[merry tartan]

Yeah it looks right. Just fyi, this is one of the only renodx mods where the goal was a transformative difference in the game’s look. The native hdr isn’t too bad compared to SDR, ultimately this mod is for people who think the base game is pretty ugly.

[indigo stratus]

Honestly if this mod someday does not work anymore im going to drop the game, i can never go back

[dawn harness]

lol

[brisk lily]

what 1400 usd

[dawn harness]

Yeah

Can get it for $1.1k off Amazon rn, too.

[brisk lily]

no i mean its around 800 here

[dawn harness]

MSRP? No sale?

I guess it's cheaper there, yeah.

But globally, it's expensive.

[brisk lily]

msrp should be 1k iirc

[dawn harness]

I don't think this was ever 1k MSRP in States

And I don't think these went up during the tariffs fiasco either.

[brisk lily]

monitors are general overpriced i would say

i mean not just here

[dawn harness]

They are, yeah

Looking up the history of that monitor.

Even LG's home country released it for $1600 USD at launch.

If this reddit boi is to be believed, that is.

But it also had a discount at launch, so it brought it down a bit more.

Anyway, 800 USD is amazing price for that monitor.

If I were in a market for a smaller sized monitor like that, I'd consider it heavy.

[brisk lily]

i would buy it if its 42 inch

32 is too small for me now

[dawn harness]

Haha, same.

42" is bare minimum for me now as well, in 16:9 scenario, not UW and all.

Unless I've got space constraints.

[brisk lily]

well mrsp was 1300 just checked that

but apparently no one is buying it so they have to heavily cut down the price

[dawn harness]

Figures

Check what was the MSRP at launch.

Cause the actual price cuts, not just discounts, will change the MSRP down to what it originally launched at.

[brisk lily]

what the msrp of lg g5 in us

the 55 inch one

[dawn harness]

$2500

[brisk lily]

thats insane to me

its like $1600 here

[dawn harness]

Jesus

[red temple]

buy it april next year, then itll be cheap

[trim tangle]

Don't be pessimistic ~ there are more than enough players who want working HDR

[zinc sapphire]

MSI took so long with giving me my MH Wilds key, I just gave it away here lol

was at least a week or more after launch iirc

could not wait this long

[fading cape]

mine came a day before release

i just lied that i bought it within the timeframe they said even though i bought it like a month or two before

💀

[cloud vessel]

Does giving a game away with a really expensive item actually help sales

I feel like it doesn't

[fading cape]

might be a reason to buy it over a similarly priced/speced one

[graceful zephyr]

Hello, if I use renodx do I disable the in game HDR output option?

[merry tartan]

keep it on

[graceful zephyr]

thanks

[graceful zephyr]

do you all force the latest DLSS (K)?

[thin fjord]

I used to, but it just bothers me too much

[graceful zephyr]

in this game specifically?

is what i meant, sorry

[shut violet]

it causes weird artifacts in volumetric effects

preset E works or preset J maybe

I use preset E, it's also faster and this game is very GPU and CPU heavy

[thin fjord]

yeah switched to E as well

[graceful zephyr]

Thanks

J doesn't have the same artifacts even though it's also dlss4 is weird though isn't it?

Or maybe it's just an engine thing

[shut violet]

It's also transformer model, but J is bad in a different way lol

[graceful zephyr]

i guess i'll have to try E J K and see, i just have a hard time comparing mentally lol

[merry tartan]

Best way to think about J vs K is that J locks less pixels than K does, and therefore doesn't ghost as much. This also means that it gets that weird dithered look in more scenarios, and presents with more aliasing when motion info isn't up to par.

volumetrics and transparent objects in general are just hard for TAA, so it's basically picking your artifacts

CNN models work better with volumetrics largely because they aren't trying to do as much

[graceful zephyr]

Thank you!

[graceful zephyr]

do you all use any other reshades or just stick with renodx?

[crisp steppe]

i think i talk for everyone when i say we just stick to renodx

the majority of shaders aren't compatible with hdr

also if you want to modify the look you can use the sliders on renodx in advanced

[trim tangle]

RenoDX makes those redundant because you have all the sliders

Defaults work well enough ~ RenoDX fixes a lot of the vanilla greyness by default, because it's so bad

[graceful zephyr]

thanks all - i was looking at this because it claims to build on renodx: https://www.nexusmods.com/monsterhunterwilds/mods/50

[merry tartan]

interesting that there are people making reshades off of renodx in sdr lol

[green jackal]

For those of you noting ghosting with MHW on DLSS 310.2 Preset K, did you force the autoexposure on? It seems to be the culprit, once I turned it on I basically saw no artifacts or ghosting other than those inherent to the actual model (some weird pixelation in some effects, etc)

[merry tartan]

you still get issues with volumetrics but it does clear it up a lot

[green jackal]

Huh, guess I haven't realized it then

will peep a bit when I fire it up again

[merry tartan]

preset K always has issues with volumetrics. They kinda linger for the length of accumulated frames when they go off screen.

feels kinda similar to video compression artifacts lol

I think it's worth dealing with personally

[coral notch]

same. i used k, j, and e extensively and always came back to k. you'll notice issues from time to time but e just looks noticeably worse all the time compared to j/k. if you don't notice anything i wouldn't go looking for it. just enjoy the video game

[tawdry spindle]

how do you force autoexposure on?

[coral notch]

specialk

think you can do it through dlss tweaks also?

[tawdry spindle]

no way to do it on Nvidia inspector profile?

[coral notch]

yeah probably

if you're using the game's reflex you should be using sk anyway though

[rustic bridge]

new monsters!https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2246340/view/534352273139043686?l=english

[graceful zephyr]

you cannot do it in nvidia profile inspector unfortunately