✅RenoDX: MH Wilds

[zinc sapphire]

if you open skif and go to mh wilds and click on the profile button you will find it

[quartz portal]

Yes. If you're using any mods thawt require REFramework, though, you have to load it the normal way.

Completely unrelated problem.
ReShade was preventing DLSS Frame Generation in AC Shadows.

[shut violet]

why though? I'm using one mod that requires REFramework

[white wyvern]

Aah, makes sense.

[white wyvern]

@shut violet, @coral notch, slightly off-topic, which monitors do you guys have with VRR? And do you get VRR flicker? Do you use VRR control available with you monitor? And does it introduce any input lag?

[shut violet]

LG C1, no visible flicker in MHW and no added input lag.

[coral notch]

C2/G2, vrr flicker varies from title to title but I don't have any in mhw

[white wyvern]

Aah, okay. My monitor has noticeably visible flicker. I'm overly sensitive to stutters and flickers so I can notice it easily.
It does have a VRR control though. According to RTINGS, VRR control introduced a 20 ms lag. Based on normal user review, its more like 9 ms. Compared to no sync, VRR is supposed to reduce input lag anyway so it seems to net out between no VRR and VRR + VRR Control.

[shut violet]

@merry tartan Can you integrate the “disable lens distortion” mod into reno? I think that it’s more or less essential haha

[sonic mesa]

Tried your experimental vanilla on a C4 really good. i juste disabled the vignette and add more filmgrain ans sharpen for my tast. Thanks

[shut violet]

Thanks! Try lowering shadows back to 50, I think it looks better, especially at night

[white wyvern]

O crap! I realized something! I have VRR flicker when framegen is on! But I dont need to use framgen with VRR!

MPaul, you have no VRR flicker with framegen or without?

[coral notch]

I have no vrr flicker with frame gen

[shut violet]

Yea I have no vrr flicker with framegen either

[sonic mesa]

i will try thank

[white wyvern]

Hmmm, odd. Will try without framegen for a while. See how this goes.

[shut violet]

you see no vrr flicker with a locked frame rate because the frame rate is a lot more stable

[sonic mesa]

me too no vrr flicker with framegen.

[white wyvern]

You guys have framerate locked?

In game or through SK?

[shut violet]

through SK

[white wyvern]

Can you paste a screenshot of your SK settings?

[sonic mesa]

the best setting i find for my settings is 120 lock with balance dlss and framegen. I have a stable 120 fps that feel nice with minimal ghosting. Only reframework, reshade and renodx. Ultra settings minus vignette, motion blur and deph of field.

[coral notch]

vrr flicker only occurs when sudden frame rate/time fluctuations occur. I'm at a locked 120 most of the time. Rare drops to 110-115 but frame times remain smooth

[rustic bridge]

flickers are usually noticeable below 50fps

[shut violet]

nothin special:

[rustic bridge]

that's why LFC is so good

[sonic mesa]

Quality or balanced dlss ? i don't see a lot of difference on my C4... so ibtend to go for Balanced

[shut violet]

if you are using tranformer model then you can even use performance

but tranformer model is still borken with MHW

[white wyvern]

This is no framegen and no RT. And no VRR flicker.

And there is still GPU headroom.

But yea, I still ahve flicker with framegen for some reason.

[shut violet]

using preset K?

what about volumetric effects?

[white wyvern]

Yes.

[shut violet]

force auto expsure on at least

[white wyvern]

Fog is low. Nothing on top of that. As in no mods. Just disable lens distortion.

[shut violet]

that fixes some of the issues with preset K

[white wyvern]

Aah, okay. Will try that.

[shut violet]

ah you have ambient lighting quality at medium

that disables a lot of vloumetric effects

[white wyvern]

What should I have it at?

[shut violet]

it's fine especially if you use preset K

or maybe it's low that disables them hmm

can't remember

[white wyvern]

I read preset E is preferred for MHWilds?

[shut violet]

yes

[white wyvern]

If I use preset E, autoexposure should be on or off (for use with Reno)?

[shut violet]

always on with MHW

[white wyvern]

Okay.

[shut violet]

preset E is also faster by 10% or so

you can switch to balanced DLSS

it wont be as sharp as K but you can use rcas

[white wyvern]

I believe performance is considered more suitable for 4K as its a 1:1 scaling.

Because it scales freom 1080p to 4K directly.

[shut violet]

well I don't think that it matters with dlss, it's not integer scaling

[white wyvern]

Hmm, let me see if I can find the video wher they did this research for DLSS4.

[shut violet]

DLSS 4 is transformer model tho, and it looks significantly better when it works correctly

transformer model performance mode looks almost as good as CNN quality

[white wyvern]

Thats why I just use performance. I dont notice that much of a difference between balanced and performance tbh.

[shut violet]

if you switch to preset E then you will

or maybe not, I do notice the difference

distant stuff is shimmering with CNN model performance mode

[sonic mesa]

yeah preset K. it's thebsource of the cubic pattern you can see sometime ?

[shut violet]

yea in volumetric effects

not just the cubic pattern, but heavy ghosting

and weird black lines

[sonic mesa]

Yeah but from E to K the step up is sooo huge. i need to try later. for preset k what the best practice whis settings ? low fog and medium lighting ?

[shut violet]

auto exposure on and low fog maybe

not sure about lighting

[sonic mesa]

i will try later, will report back because never tryes normal preset beside k after swapping my dll

I find that the framegen dll need to stay 310.8.1 not more to avoid the artefact nier the caractere tought.

[stiff sundial]

same recently its so noticable

idk what happened

also when I opened Sk menu the game frame pace became so buggy

[coral notch]

these are my sk settings for a 120 fps lock with vrr and frame gen. no vrr flicker present

[white wyvern]

Nice. Thanks. Will experiment some more.
What GPU do you have?

[coral notch]

4090

[white wyvern]

I'm on 4070 TiS. Posted my settings above (thats the bare minimum for me). It does 90-100 fps with framegen. And ~70 without.

[coral notch]

i'm have everything maxed except rt is off and textures are at high. either of those can introduce frametime spikes which could cause some vrr flicker i guess, though i never saw any even when they were on

[white wyvern]

I like the look of water with RT on. But yea, been playing with RT off since yesterday and its okay.

With RT off, the frame rates are much more reasonable.

[sonic mesa]

You don't loose too much from very high ? didn't tried 4090 too

on texture, i feel like sharpen and grain is enough too compensate but it's hard form me to downgrade.

[shut violet]

24gb vram is barely enough for very high textures

you run out of vram here and there

plus the cpu usage increases drastically

[coral notch]

i don't lose any performance, but it introduces frametime spikes in select areas when panning the camera. not everywhere, but it was enough to annoy me and go back down to high

probably a similar thing to ff7 rebirth with them using culling too aggressively. too much loading/unloading as you pan the camera

[shut violet]

btw no crashes for 1.5 hours

Injecting REF normally fixed it maybe

I have to inject ReShade through SK tho

I use the disable lens distortion mod which requires REF

[mossy swallow]

I skipped SK. Never had a crash

[sonic mesa]

so much new tweak to try 🥺

[merry tartan]

That’ll be up to @dense knot

[quartz portal]

Because REFramework has to patch the executable before it runs any code in order to strip the anti-tamper that will crash the game if any of its files are modified.
That means you have to load REFramework as dinput8.dll.

If SK loads REFramework, it does it after the game has drawn its first frame. Which is long past when the game has checked all of its files for modification.

Basically the only reason SK even has this feature is for people who don't care about modding the game, but want REFramework to strip the memory check code that causes stutter.

If you're using REFramework as part of another mod, you'll always have to load it the traditional way.

[shut violet]

Thanks! This solved my crashing issues 🙏

I got to the part where everything is bright and clean and oh lol the presets we/I used are so bad

I was trying to fix the early game haziness

and everything gets super dark/crushed once the fog is gone

[sonic mesa]

Wow after 100 hours with Lens Distortion it was so strange removing it

[white wyvern]

Bruh! After 166 hours of framegen, playing the game without it feels so much smoother! I can't believe it!

Thanks MPaul and Lopek for bringing me back to VRR though. 80 fps with VRR feels smooth.

[sonic mesa]

120 FPS lock, Preset K performance, high textures, low distant shadows, no motion blur , no vignette and low fog. Those settings are currently very good and clean for my taste. I’ll also try without Frame Generation tomorrow and finish tailoring my RenoDX preset specifically when the patch will break anything.

[ancient ibex]

@shut violet are you still using latest stable reframework 1.5.9.1? maybe nightly will help with usb problems (march 13 fix) patch history:
https://github.com/praydog/REFramework/commits/master

[shut violet]

Thanks, but I managed to fix the crashing. You cant inject REF through SK if you are using mods.

[shut violet]

Oh yea, 40-57 base fps feels worse and a lot less responsive than 60-80 fps without FG for sure

[ancient ibex]

ok. there were a couple other people saying they were having problems with controllers
maybe this would help? march 13:
MHWilds/Rise/REE: Fix major stuttering caused by USB events

[alpine tree]

Do I need to turn hdr on and off of to get fixed exposure slider back upon updating?

[thin fjord]

You can lock 80? What card and settings?

[white wyvern]

4070 TiS. Put settings up there.

[thin fjord]

4k performance?

[white wyvern]

Yes.

To be fair, mid fight, it hovers closer to 70 than 80.

[south furnace]

i gave them a go, i only have a 4070 but im also only running 1440p, not having frame gen on is feeling good

running balanced instead of performance for dlss

[glacial plank]

game pretty

[dense dew]

Is this HDR?

[gritty ingot]

Is it better to run dlssg-to-fsr3, reframework, reshade in Special K or direct in the MH Wilds directory?

[dense knot]

V3.8.1

Changelog:

• Performance improvements?

[fading cape]

gotta love the question mark lol

[zinc sapphire]

once I locked it to 60fps, I have not looked back tbh

thanks ritsu!

[white wyvern]

That just means you tell Ritsu if performance has improved or not. 😂

[rustic bridge]

gotta try this tonight, reno used to cost 3fps for me

[fading cape]

how would you even notice a less than 3 fps improvment

couldn't really notice much of a difference from reshade on/off

[dense knot]

Lemme know if it actually improves performance

[glacial plank]

my fps in MHW is so unstable I wouldn't be able to tell the difference, it's the first time I see that it fluctuates in a game so much

[zinc sapphire]

you should look your fps to something you can reach 99.9% of the time (in combat)

or you will do less damage lol

with many weapons

[trim tangle]

What the fuck

Has someone made a mod for this, urgh

Sounds reminiscent of the tick rate bug in World that someone made a mod for

[zinc sapphire]

happens with chargeblade where you hold the button on chainsaw attacks

guns are also effected in some way

[rustic bridge]

every fps counts when you play below 60fps haha

[fading cape]

yeah ig but 1-2fps is like margin of error

[rustic bridge]

hopefully the new reno will cost less

[runic silo]

oh yeah the link in the OP still points to V3.8.0

all good now tysm

love the question mark

[gritty ingot]

Hello. Could anyone help me with my error. Maybe I'm missing out on something (sorry). Basically, I'm trying to run dlssg-to-fsr3 on MH Wilds.

I downloaded the dll's and pasted in on Special K\PlugIns\ThirdParty\NVIDIA
Renamed the nvngx.dll to nvngx_dlss.dll
Tick the "Use Special K's DLSS instead of Game's DLL and restarded the game
I could enable the frame gen in the game but I'm not noticing any difference in fps
Also this settings dissappear after i tick Use special k dlss instead of game dll option

[woven fiber]

That's not the correct way to inject it, you're basically using the framegen mod dll as a replacement for the DLSS upscaling dll

You gotta load it as a plug-in

Get the "universal" version from Nexus, then extract it somewhere and move only the two files you find inside the "plugin_asi_loader" folder to Special K\PlugIns\ThirdParty\dlssg-to-fsr3

The files are named dlssg_to_fsr3.asi and dlssg_to_fsr3_amd_is_better.dll

Once you've done that you click on "add plug-in" from SK and select the .asi file

[gritty ingot]

thank you, it's now working

[scenic wagon]

Is it possible to reduce temporal artifacts on surface without enabling ray tracing?I'm playing in 4k with only 12g vram so ray tracing introduce massive stutters...

[glacial plank]

it also introduces different artifacts and unstable framerates so I'd suggest keeping it off

which artifacts do you mean btw?

[scenic wagon]

see around the character

[woven fiber]

RT should only affect reflections in this game afaik

Maybe it's DLSS? What dll/preset are you running?

[scenic wagon]

i've try both preset e and k , same result ..only rt seems to fix this

also if not using any upscaler it wouldn't be as obvious, it's really weird

[gritty ingot]

havent notice it before but lets say I'm using preset 2 in reno, do i need to select it every time i open the game? cos it always revert back to preset 1

[glacial plank]

that's not true (unfortunately)

it also seems to affect some illumination/shadows

oh and yea I remember seeing this "watery" ground, I'm not sure if it's fixed for me somehow but I haven't seen it in a while, maybe need to travel to that location

[woven fiber]

Oh, I remember hearing that from a DF analysis but maybe I'm just imagining things

[glacial plank]

but I also think that they changed something in the game settings with the last update that's been a while ago so I basically reset all the configs and settings and it's been better

[glacial plank]

I don't blame you, the game is so fucked in terms of settings and how everything works lol

after the last update my game would crash every 2 minutes or so

I was going insane

and then I found that this parralel build command was enabled and had 8 cores in it

once I reduced it to 6 my game doesn't crash anymore

idk what they are cooking in capcom but that shit is poisonous

[woven fiber]

There's one weird graphical artifact that randomly shows up for me and I never managed to find the cause, sometimes I see "white dots" on wet surfaces or something? I can notice it especially when going in and out of some camps, now I'm wondering if RT would fix that (but I would never turn it on since this game's performance is so atrocious lol)

[glacial plank]

yep, if you see it again, enable ray tracing

it fixes it 😆

but I gave up and just disabled ray tracing

it's not like it completely transforms the game

it just changed a little bit of things and makes water like 10% better looking?

the water overall is so low texture it's atrocious even in ray tracing

[scenic wagon]

Yeah guess I’ll have to live with it, I can only notice it in the oil area camp and the forest camp anyway

[woven fiber]

Yeah there's some misinformation I think around that, people saying that it helps with stuttering but I think there's a reason it's not set to a number higher than 8 by default

[glacial plank]

I think it does help a little but it's hard to say guaranteed

but apparently if it's maxed you just crash a lot

[glacial plank]

yea honestly I'm super nitpicky and I wanted to optimize how the game looks and runs A LOT

and it's not worth it

just use reno if you play with HDR, disable ray tracing, never use high texture pack and install the usual mods

like reframework and direct storage update

and then jus tplay the game

and enjoy your time

[woven fiber]

I mean, if it's a matter of trading stuttering for stability I dunno if it can be called a "fix" at all

[glacial plank]

you'll see some awful and shitty things here and there

but overall it'll be fine

[woven fiber]

Yeah you really have to tailor this game to your taste if you don't have a top tier rig and even then it's not guaranteed to run well

There's not a lot that can be done if you're not Capcom

[glacial plank]

yea this game is a master of gaslighting

I remember I would try a lot of things, play for a bit and think yo that seems to work pretty well

only later to see some 120x120 textures covering half the screen

and thinking something is completely wrong

but it's just how this game is lol

also just noticed my nvidia cache size somehow reset to the default value instead of 100gb

I was wondering why it stutters recently lmao

[alpine tree]

Did the new reno build actually improve performance for any of you?

[tawdry horizon]

A bit off topic but is Special K worth using in this game? I see a lot of you talking about it.

I know one of the benefits is locking framerate but I use RTSS for that

[shut violet]

It fixes the bad reflex implementation

I think it’s worth using it

The game feels smoother with SK compared to RTSS

[tawdry horizon]

I'll give it a shot. Thanks for the input!

[tawdry horizon]

How do I implement this fix? There's so many options! Lol

[wicked spindle]

it does it automatically, don't need to touch anything

tbh a lot of my performance problems like stuttering and frame pacing mostly went away once I started using SK

[tawdry horizon]

Okay. Cool. What about forcing auto exposure on? I'm looking at past posts, and I saw a couple screenshots of it being on

Or is that a personal preference? If it doesn't affect performance, then I'll leave it default

[wicked spindle]

I have mine set to off and have never really messed with it personally. Probably something to just try out and see if you like it or not

[mossy shoal]

You can also override direct storage GPU decompression using SK, it helped with random frametime hitches but it could be placebo as well.

[rustic bridge]

new reno loaded
off, vanilla, filmic

so it's costing up to 0.870ms

[woven fiber]

Setting it to forced on alleviated the artifacts caused by volumetric effects on DLSS preset K for me

[woven fiber]

Is this with generic depth and effect runtime sync off?

[rustic bridge]

i don't know what are these

vanilla+ vs filmic

[rustic bridge]

found them, so I rebooted and i gained a slight perf boost, 0.105ms

but they don't affect renodx

[shut violet]

It improves volumetric effect quality if you use DLSS, and it's essential if you use transformer model DLSS like preset J or K

[outer lodge]

reframework mods? I'm doing that and not having any issues

[shut violet]

and are you injecting REF through SK?

I used REFramework.dll instead of dinput8.dll

[outer lodge]

yea, same

[shut violet]

Kal said to not use it

like that

and after switching back to dinput8 it fixed my crashing issues

I still inject reshade with SK using ReShade64.dll

[coral notch]

i've been injecting ref (with mods) through sk for like 180 hours of play and i haven't had any crashes

lua mods, not pak mods. pak mods will crash

maybe that's what he's talking about?

[shut violet]

not sure

i had no issues until recently

I'm not using pak mods

I only use the lens distortion disabler mod

[tawdry horizon]

Are you guys using Frame Gen?

[glacial plank]

I do

game doesn't feel smooth/stable withogut it

with its frametimes

[shut violet]

I don’t the game does not feel smoother with FG to me

this is one of those games where the input delay is really noticeable with FG imo

but my screen is limited to 120hz aka the best I can do is 57fps base

It probably feels better on a higher refresh rate monitor if your base FPS is high enough

[glacial plank]

yea I'm on a 360hz display but obviously the game does not go to 360 even with fg 😸

[shut violet]

the frame time graph is basically a flat line with SK

[glacial plank]

I tried using SK but didn't figure out how to use it effectively without causing other issues and at this point I'm too lazy to try

[shut violet]

what issues?

[glacial plank]

I don't remember, I think my reshade wasn't working as well and the game would crash often or somethng

[shut violet]

REF caused crashes for me too with SK but I was injecting it through SK

[glacial plank]

I haven't used SK before really so I probably just did something wrong

[tawdry horizon]

Main issue I had was people said to rename dinput8.dll to REFramework.dll when using SK, but my game wouldn't even start when I do that. It would crash immediately. Had to keep it as dinput8.dll. Maybe I was doing something wrong? But seems to run fine without changing the name

[shut violet]

This works for me:
-Inject reshade through SK by renaming dxgi.dll to ReShade64.dll
-Install REF normally, copy the dinput8.dll next to the game exe
-Copy the addon file next to the game exe
-Inject SK using SKIF global injector

[merry tartan]

I don't think frame gen input lag feels very noticeable in this game, it's designed around feeling so heavy that idk, it just kinda works with framegen imo. I'm not using it cause I run into other bugs with it though.

[shut violet]

I tested the game with FG and without FG and FG feels noticeably more delayed and "slow"

The game feels very responsive with the SK reflex fix and without FG

[glacial plank]

which GPU are you using?

[merry tartan]

I'm sure it does, it always does

[shut violet]

4080

[merry tartan]

it just doesn't impact my feeling of control in the game I guess

[glacial plank]

I also replaced the streamline files since I'm using 4070tis

[merry tartan]

I normally can't use framegen cause of lag lol

[glacial plank]

it seems like it fixes a lot of fgs/pacing issues

FG input lag depends heavily on base framerate

[merry tartan]

that said, way less sensitive to it with a controller

[shut violet]

I can get the base framerate up to 57 which is the max at 120hz with reflex

but it's just not enough I guess

[glacial plank]

it could also be the case if your framerate dips in gameplay

like it's often the case in cities your fps is like 20-30 more

[shut violet]

oh yea ofc, it feels worse with FG

[merry tartan]

before high refresh rate panels were normal, I couldn't even play games with vsync on mouse and keyboard, it felt awful to me 😅

[glacial plank]

are you using max settings icnluding max textures?

and RT?

[shut violet]

me? ofc not

[glacial plank]

hm

[shut violet]

its 4080 lol

[glacial plank]

just surprised the fps is as low

[shut violet]

low?

what do you mean

[glacial plank]

well you said 57 base

[shut violet]

thats the max possible

with a 120hz panel

no matter how good the GPU is

[glacial plank]

oh you mean in that sense

I see

yea I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the FG implementation is just botchered

[shut violet]

same haha

[shut violet]

ye it definitely feels better when you play with a controller, it's a lot harder to notice the input delays

[glacial plank]

yea 100%

[shut violet]

I actually love how "realistic" the movement animations are

[glacial plank]

there's honestly a lot of cool things and minor details that are very nice and impressive

but I just can't understand

how some of the basic things are not done well lol

[merry tartan]

I fucking adore the high commitment design of monster hunter. We really don't get enough games like it. Only modern game that feels like an evolution of what the original PSO was trying to do in a sense.

[glacial plank]

despite all the issues it's def really fun

it's probably the only game I gave a negative review and continued playing for 100 more hours 😸

[shut violet]

people rarely appreciate the small details in games unfortunately

I love good, detailed animation in video games. Nier Automata is still the most impressive probably, but monster hunter is also one of the best when it comes to animations

[glacial plank]

nier automata is my favorite game ❤️

by I was the most impressed visually by hellblade 2

it looks just phenomenal

I wish I could forget nier automata and replay it with all the textures and hdr

[rustic bridge]

i've finally found out why i had no text on lilium tool

i centralized all my shaders for all my games and lilium tool need textures
I set the correct path for textures and voila!

[shut violet]

Another experimental vanilla preset, it should match the "intended" vanilla look a lot better.

specific cutscenes and clear weather no longer look crushed

[shut violet]

MHW Spaceborn DLC

[rustic bridge]

trying to tune hdr with reshade shaders only

there's no renodx unfortunately for this game

[cloud vessel]

I'm assuming the games built in sharpness was removed

[cloud vessel]

I wish there was

The games AA is fucking awful

And almost all the reshade aa shaders shred the UI

The HDR isn't super good either

Also

Whats a good sharpness for the sharpness slider

Since I'm assuming the games default sharpness thingy got removed

[coral notch]

that's going to be pretty subjective based on display size, viewing distance, resolution/upscaling, and personal preference

just move the slider up until it feels adequately sharp. 20 is a good starting point for a monitor imo

[fleet frost]

i was very confused

[cloud vessel]

fuse you should totally make renodx work on helldivers

trust trust

[merry tartan]

doesn't it have eac?

oh, not eac, nprotect

regardless, anticheat means it probably can't happen

[fallen karma]

Really wish there was a way to fix the game's extremely shitty cloud rendering and the extreme overexposure they get at times

One can only hope that this game will make capcom work on their engine more

[cloud vessel]

reshade with addon has no issue

maybe renodx is too deep

[fading cape]

man vanilla is nicer in some ways but it just looks so yellow

[lime temple]

addon version of reshade works on hd2 I have it to hide capes and the tablet. so if its not a principle thing it might be possible?

[fallen karma]

Change the color filter to Japan crt if you want more blue and natural colors

Devs are obsessed with making deserts look piss yellow

Same happened in horizon forbidden west and it looked awful

[rustic bridge]

yes if you hunt xu, it's obviously too yellow/orange on purpose

[fading cape]

wdym hunt xu?

[fading cape]

speaking of what those filters about anyway?

why crt

and japan

do they look different or something

[zinc sapphire]

the solution is to not change dlss version and model

[white wyvern]

Can you show an example of what is considered shitty cloud rendering? I'm not overly sensitive to these so want to know if, whatI consider acceptable, is shitty for others.

Is this shitty sky?

[sonic mesa]

i will try it at 12h, finaly tried the transformer dlss on perf level. I see ne difference with quality and above and now i can play a 90 lock without framegen. almost perfect

[sonic mesa]

i think they spoke about that. completly masqued by deph of field.

Depends of the settings you can see it a lot or not at all.

Screen is not good to show this

[digital quest]

This is the best mod I've installed in MH Wilds, but I have a few minor issues. There are three preset settings in the Reno ReShade menu, and I've configured each preset to my liking. However, for example, when I want to start the game with preset 3 selected, it always defaults to preset 1 and I have to select preset 3 again on every boot of the game. Is there a way to start the game with preset 2 or 3 instead?

[woven fiber]

Speaking of DoF, I had to turn it off because it was tanking my fps every time I entered focus mode/aimed with the slingshot. Is anyone else having the same issue?

[lunar ibex]

Im assuming you are hitting a gpu bottleneck of some kind

[woven fiber]

I'm using FG cause without it the game struggled to maintain 60fps

So I'd say I do

[glacial plank]

I don't think there's a customized option, but you can open reshade.ini and switch places for your presets there

so the one you want is at preset1

[lunar ibex]

I doubt frame gen is getting along with any of this

Frame gen says it's faster on paper but youll find you have ridiculous frame time

And stuttering

And itll interact poorly with dof

It also has nuts input lag with this game

Steamdeck T_T

[digital quest]

I could edit the settings in the sliders, it's just that I want to start the game with my settings in preset 3. I guess I'll just copy my settings in preset 1.

[woven fiber]

I tested it thoroughly and since I've got a high refresh rate display it feels smoother than locking it at 60, since it can reach much higher hz at least visually. The input lag is not too bad once you use SK and find a good compromise with the game's settings

This is literally the first game I play with FG on

On the other hand, if I lock it to 60 and turn FG off, my GPU is almost constantly at full utilization, fans spinning like crazy, just to barely reach 55-60 fps

[sonic mesa]

SpecialK is really a gain ? i then to stay minimal in moddibg ans now i have reframework/reshade for RenoDX and 3 scripts about the glowing. the hassel tobéearn SK is worst it ?

[lunar ibex]

From what I heard it can be a gain if you turn off nvidia boost

Presumably for removing anti tamper

[ebon tide]

it's basically the must have pc gaming tool for everything

not just mh wilds

[zinc sapphire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZoCy3F4J_A live now

[gritty ingot]

I'm not sure if there's a setting I need to change in SK, but when I run MHWilds in SK, these settings disappear, and I have to toggle HDR on and off in the game for them to appear.

[sonic mesa]

Humff, i will try it out, bit sceptical, but i'm old. 😂

[gritty ingot]

Tried central install of reshade and reshade direct in the game directory, still the same

Is there a setting in SK HDR i need to change? I'm not experiencing this issue if I run MHWilds normally without SK.

[ebon tide]

have you perhaps played nier automata on pc before ?

[thin fjord]

no way

[sonic mesa]

It was during my one-year "PlayStation-only" phase. But I know the reputation of the soft. It's just another addition to learn. I thought I had finished my little modding folder. 😂

[thin fjord]

that reveal at the end wow

[ebon tide]

the right step is just to use it a game launcher and use it on every single player game by default 😛

[meager tendon]

Such a good reveal

[zinc sapphire]

TU1 + Teaser for TU2 ||Lagi||!

[ebon tide]

just for that sexy flat frametime line

[sonic mesa]

i don't want to fall in the Oblivion cycle 😂 but i will Try when at home for sure

[distant oar]

Finally new content

[ebon tide]

dw it's really not like that hehe and I get you (1000 h on skyrim of only modding )

[distant oar]

The option to pace native frames is really nice if you use frame gen

[ebon tide]

it's just like a handy tool, can use it or not

always useful to fix some quirks here and there

cursor goes out of the window ? fixed in one click

wanna reduce volume ? one click

all from the tool

[sonic mesa]

i will try to find everything. I hope there is not to much box to check haha
some of you have setting best practice for high end before 50XX?

[distant oar]

Do you use FG?

[sonic mesa]

Stupid question but to be sure, not on game with anticheat or thing like that

[sonic mesa]

i need to decide. 120 fps with FG or 90 without... i then to prefere 120 fps so i will try it out.

[distant oar]

Yes

[ebon tide]

competitive titles is a no go, games with a loose anticheat like mhwilds or coop games is fine

it will not inject anyways if it detects a strong anticheat

[distant oar]

Check pace native frames and Limit your fps to a value that you dont go below during normal gameplay. (Its also possible that you need to Limit your fps to 2x of that value, I dont remember atm)

(When using FG)

[ebon tide]

and it's not becuase it's a cheating tool but because it can edit textures and shaders on the fly

[distant oar]

I also override reflex with SK but im not sure if its still needed

[ebon tide]

just one of the many features on the tool

[woven fiber]

Do you set it to normal or low latency?

[sonic mesa]

You managed to make the wait for the job to finish even more unbearable. Thank you so much, I'll give it a try! 🙂

[distant oar]

Low latency

[ebon tide]

lol 😛 dw about it too much, the ux is a bit of a mess but everything is OPTIONAL, i've been using it for years and the most I do nowadays is just tick the framelimiter

but yeah the thing with framepacing for fg looks good

eager to get a new gpu to try

[woven fiber]

I remember @quartz portal saying to set them to normal once but I don't recall why, maybe low latency is more aggressive

So it affects frame pacing

[sonic mesa]

Somebody as a good wiki or guide to use SpecialK + Reframework + Reshade.
It's seems a need to rename some dll.
I want to use local install because of personal preference per game.

SK - to dxgi.dll
Reshade to reshade64.dll
and reframework... no idea haha

[coral notch]

unless something has changed you need to use the global install for mhw

reshade should be reshade64.dll and reframework can stay dinput8.dll

[sonic mesa]

I will tinker a bit thank, if i need i will try the global. But i like small mod archive fast applied 😄

[merry tartan]

SK works best globally. Just run the SK installer and add SKIF %COMMAND% to your monster hunter launch options in steam.

[gritty ingot]

well, ive found the issue. it's related to the pace native frames in sk. maybe it's conflicting with the mod dlssg-to-fsr3. if I turn that setting off, i dont have to toggle on and off the hdr in game for the hdr brightness toggle to appear in reno menu. i guess i'll just have to toggle on/off cus with pace native frames, the frametimes is smooth with fg

[merry tartan]

can't say it's a mod I'll be making, don't want to risk a ban. That is good to know in case somebody else is open to it though.

that said, I thought the HDR was mostly fine in that game?

[lime temple]

It's bad imo. That game is the perfect example of raised black levels and washed out colors. The game also doesn't have a lot of options to customize the HDR implementation.

[lime temple]

Understandable.

[merry tartan]

I just mean as a conversion of the SDR into HDR, it seemed good

or good enough at least

I didn't do a proper analysis or anything though

[lime temple]

Eh it has the wilds issue of overusing volumetric fog. All good though.

[quartz portal]

It thankfully won't matter if the game has Reflex, since those driver settings are ignored then.
But yes, Low Latency wil do nothing but cause stutter.

[lunar ibex]

is it me or is the content crawl much slower than it was for rise

i feel like with rise every time i caught up they were releasing something new

was reno build causing performance drops?

i did notice some performance issues with dlss that i hadnt noticed before but i figured maybe it was cos i hadnt been playing as much so forgot how bad the game ran

[lunar ibex]

as if a single user has ever been banned from this game 😂

why did they even install a double anti tamper

[white wyvern]

Anti tamper is to prevent piracy/cracks. Not for cheating.

A lot of games remove anti tamper after a few months.

AT like denovu is licensed per copy. So publishers keep it for the first few months to protect sales and then remove it to save costs.

[lunar ibex]

didnt we remove the anti tamper in 24 hours

😎

[lunar ibex]

per COPY? im assuming per game and not per copy of the game

[white wyvern]

It was removed with OBT. That’s how we were able to play offline OBT. 😂

[white wyvern]

AFAIK, per copy of the game. Its price is built into the game price.

[lunar ibex]

ooooh no wonder this game is the most expensive game ive ever chosen to purchase

...besides rise special edition but thats besides the point

[white wyvern]

Oh you’ve been paying for denovu for a long time. Any time you buy a game within first 2-3 months of release, you’re paying for anti-tamper.

[white wyvern]

https://youtube.com/shorts/bytFjyevUlY?si=wRQzvEc-3_EvapXP

To give you some idea.

And why you don’t hear performance complains from console players.

[lunar ibex]

i thought the console players just have worse standards

talking of standards

does the new sharpening feature cause performance issues in reno dx

im noticing some stutters and i have no fucking clue what the cause is. may just disable reframework and see if it goes away

could be shader stutter

[shut violet]

you have to use REF tho

[coral notch]

you'll only get shader stutter if you installed a new version of reno and didn't delete your cache

[shut violet]

if you want to use reno

[coral notch]

if you're using RT or the hd texture pack that could be the cause of stutter

[lunar ibex]

using neither of those

deleted texture pack... lots pf space minimal improvement and horrible stuter

awful

[coral notch]

are you using frame gen?

[lunar ibex]

never lol

[coral notch]

what's your cpu/gpu

[lunar ibex]

7600 4070

[coral notch]

probably the 7600 tbh

[lunar ibex]

wouldnt be shocked#

at max settings i can quite consistently maintain 40fps

unfortunately no matter how much i potato the game i aint getting a consistent 60

[coral notch]

that seems very low

is that including RT?

[lunar ibex]

yes

that includes rt

[coral notch]

gotcha

[lunar ibex]

there are areas i can get quite a high frame rate but those would be the ice cave more than anything. low impact areas

this area is 55 on High settings, rt enabled. disable rt and i get like... 2 frames back

...and i can see the water in front of me

[coral notch]

yeah, the game is very cpu limited in my experience

adding on RT does very little to the fps, but introduces stutter

[undone hare]

fyi it's not denuvo causing the stutters

capcom is using their own anti-tamper on top of denuvo

reframework disables that, not denuvo

also, performance tends to be better on console vs similar spec'd pcs due to them being easier to optimize for

[coral notch]

these days that's really only a thing for first party sony titles. long gone are the days of magical console optimization giving a noticeable advantage

[wooden merlin]

thats bs, a good denuvo implementation has barely any performance impact

I work as dev in the industry, I can tell you this is pure conspiracy theory by shady youtubers and mad players in most cases

also there are posts by some piracy ppl working on cracking AT and even they are saying that this denuvo stuff is bs 😄

[rustic bridge]

oooooh the next free update!

https://youtu.be/T6y-0sBUKGI?si=Co5FbGmIWAubJzZ6

[cloud vessel]

Even if denuvo affected performance the game still runs at 30fps on consoles the game just runs like shit

People trying to find reasons

[rustic bridge]

denuvo or not, the game can be clearly optimized for more performance. Easily 5 to 10fps for all rigs.

[cloud vessel]

Yea

[rustic bridge]

hopefully in next update 😄

[cloud vessel]

Will probably take multiple updates

[rustic bridge]

with texture streaming fixed

they abuse of direct storage but textures aren't loaded properly

[white wyvern]

Fair enough, I’m not close enough to this to agree or disagree. I do note how the overall PC gaming community frowns upon denovu cz it seems to cause performance problems. May be it’s a placebo or conspiracy.

[cloud vessel]

It's somewhat placebo

Apparently it can affect performance if implemented badly

And most games whenever they remove denuvo they change some other stuff too so the before after comparison isn't perfect

[pearl dome]

It wasn't placebo with Resident Evil 8, and games with denuvo tend to have worse frametimes and 1% lows. If your game already runs like shit, adding denuvo isn't going to help things out. I don't think its worth making the product worse for the consumer and better for a pirate but thats just me.

[coral notch]

pretty sure RE8's issue was capcom's own in-house drm/anti-tamper/whatever, not denuvo. or maybe an interaction between the two. seems to be a similar thing happening here in mhw

[pearl dome]

I'm wrong your right

[cloud vessel]

No I think it was just Capcom's drm shitting the bed for wilds

Reframework removed most of it and it helps a lot

[cloud vessel]

Anyways denuvo will always be hated

At best it does basically nothing for the consumer

At worst it actively hurts paying customers

[merry tartan]

performance concerns over denuvo are usually levied by bad actors or those misinformed by them. There have been a couple games that had really bad implementations where performance was sabotaged, but usually there's little to no measurable impact between a game with denuvo and the patched out build.

It's actually annoying as hell because there are legitimate reasons to hate denuvo, like it being the biggest threat to game preservation bar none, but the conversation is muddied with largely unfounded performance bullshit 😩

[thin fjord]

that's every other conversation related to game development recently. Like all the people who hate on upscalers

[cloud vessel]

upscalers are fine but they shouldnt be default

[merry tartan]

I swear it feels like a lot of people almost pride themselves on just...lying. Like knowing they're wrong and just sticking to it

[thin fjord]

I mean haven't seen the first game that has it forced on, but there are some rendering techniques that scale badly with resolution but contribute to image quality significant.

[merry tartan]

there's nothing wrong with it being the default if the experience it allows for is justified. Like upscalers are a godsend for RT and is a major reason why it's even doable in an acceptable way, especially on mid range hardware.

Monster Hunter is not that, this game is just horribly made lmao.

[cloud vessel]

not forced on but like

devs basically assume its on

like wilds lol

its fine for rt

Most devs that assume it's on seem to use it as a performance crutch

[thin fjord]

Wilds is a mess in terms of optimization no doubt

[thin fjord]

I wouldn't know if that's their rational. Most of the awful games I play dont' suffer from bad scaling with resolution on PC. It's mostly awful UE4/UE5 stuttering.

[cloud vessel]

Well Yea that's what I mean

Instead of fixing the root cause

They just go

Turn dlss on

[rustic bridge]

returnal pc with ue4 is a stutter mess

[thin fjord]

it doesn't fix the issue at all as it isn't tied to resolution at all

[cloud vessel]

Yea

But the devs don't seem to care

The issue with upscalers isn't the upscaler at all but the reliance on them to fix any issue

Which is stupid

[rustic bridge]

it's a very good shooting game, has one of the best hdr i've seen but man those huge stutters spike

[thin fjord]

they obviously don't but you asume it is because of the precesnse of the upscaler

[cloud vessel]

It's the devs fault tho

Not the upscaler

[thin fjord]

this is exactly my point the UE shader compilation stutter and traversal stutters are engine issues that have nothing to do with resolution or upscalers. But you assume the reason they never bother to fix it is because they can tell people to use dlss which doesn't work. Also these issues predate upscalers too. So it becomes a crusade against upscalers that have nothing to do with the issue. Perhaps you know better, but nonetheless I see this often repeated by people uncritically.

[cloud vessel]

I ment less for stutters

More for general low performance

A lot of new games just are super demanding

For basically no reason

And the devs just go use upscaler lol

[thin fjord]

nvm

[cloud vessel]

It's not the upscalers fault

Just devs not optimizing

Or the engine team

UE5 runs awful just in terms of raw performance

Ignoring the stutter

Also upscalers looked fucking awful just a few years ago

Takes a while for people to give em a chance again

I used to fucking hate dlss

Now it's awesome

[thin fjord]

dlss was awful yes, I also remember when I had to just lower my internal resolution to play some games at decent performance

[cloud vessel]

I guess new games always ran like shit

And people blame upscalers now

[thin fjord]

pc has always had awful console ports and unoptimized games since the beginning of time

[cloud vessel]

cant wait for dlss to be added to helldivers 2 only for it to not help at all

[thin fjord]

is it a UE game?

[cloud vessel]

No

[thin fjord]

then there might be hope

[cloud vessel]

It's an old discontinued engine

No

The game is massively cpu bottlenecked

Dlss isn't gonna help there lol

[cloud vessel]

Autodesk stringray

[cloud vessel]

unironically ue mightve made the game run better

[woven fiber]

At the very least it would look better than the upscaler they're using

[cloud vessel]

Yeah

And it would be better than the awful TAA they have

[merry tartan]

I typed a lot sorry.

what people are blaming on upscalers is mostly just...them not being old enough to remember a time when PC hardware wasn't leaps and bounds ahead of consoles (or was simply different to it). Shortly after the 360/ps3 came out, PC GPUs and CPUs were running absolute circles around them. So all these games were getting made for hardware vastly inferior to PC hardware. People growing up in that time got used to using a mid range GPU and being able to throw games on ultra at 60+ fps, at higher resolutions than the games were designed around.

Then ps4/xbox one came out, and had horrible CPUs, and mid range GPUs for the time. Similar story happened, where the next generation of PC hardware just kinda ran circles around it. People could once again buy mid range hardware and run circles around the consoles, making max settings the defacto standard again.

That's not happening anymore, consoles have remained competitive with entry/mid range gaming PCs (in terms of cost) for this entire generation. This means that people on mid range hardware need to be playing on medium settings and expecting performance similar to consoles. The bigger problem is honestly that consoles use dynamic res scaling to hit framerate targets and that's not a (functional) option on PC most of the time, meaning the way to optimize the experience is to use a fixed upscaling value closer to the minimum value consoles hit...which sucks, not gonna lie.

Like don't get me wrong, just like all console gens, we get games that run way worse than they have business running, but the people acting like there's some systemic issue of bad optimization seem to not understand that it's actually just that games are being made the way they always have been: consoles first. It's just been a long time since PC players had to feel the compromises made for those platforms.

[cloud vessel]

fair

[glacial plank]

game pretty

[rustic bridge]

ajarakan

in case you're wondering why is it so white, it's the fog

volumetric fog on/off

big boy gravios

[ancient ibex]

Are these the correct settings for SpecialK with RenoDX? Default settings except frame rate limit and HDR10 Native?
Wow that does make a difference in frametime stability with FG off.
VRAM usage goes up with FG off, might cause issues with high res texture pack with less VRAM

[coral notch]

you don't need to mess with SK's hdr settings at all. if you're using FG you should use the "Pace Native Frames" option under the NVIDIA DLSS section there. you'll have a smooth frametime graph with that. and you should also enable VRR bias under the advanced framerate limit options regardless of whether you're using fg or not

[ancient ibex]

ok, thanks. it was defaulted to hdr preset 0, i remember someone said set it to hdr10 native for renodx

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[verbal turret]

There is one more aspect to this, which is that the latest console on both Sony/MS have directstorage (or sony's equivalent), so if the game relies on this technology heavily then people who have low-midrange PCs without fast NVME drives or headroom for GPU decompression will suffer performance degradation.

But if you look at any "performance" discussion for Wilds, this is rarely brought up if at all. Wilds is heavily bottlenecked by asset streaming.

[sonic thicket]

I updated the direct storage files and used that decompression tool on nexus, does that actually help with those problems or is it just placebo?

[next swift]

Dark flashes always happen when exposure type is Fixed right?

happens either way looks like 😦

[merry tartan]

using disable post processing mod?

[next swift]

installed but disabled. should be at least. Ill get rid of it and check

was using it to remove film grain :p

[merry tartan]

it currently has a bug where it breaks upscalers from functioning properly

but reason I ask is cause there are some settings you have to have enabled in it with renodx

[next swift]

yeah was all untouched except the film grain

[merry tartan]

well, defaults for the mod disables stuff renodx needs

[next swift]

perfect. Thanks 🙂

[merry tartan]

np, hopefully that fixed it

[next swift]

Yep, thx alot

Thankfully I realised I can disable water effects to get rid of the square water thingy cause really missed Reno

[lunar ibex]

denuvo is a tool that makes the experience worse for players and is solely beneficial to the publisher

i think that should automatically make it looked down upon

[lunar ibex]

yeah. the reason consoles got away with it for so long is because theyd be running 720p on a tv across the room from you, often using motion blur and sub 30 frame rates to achieve similar graphical outcomes to pc

i do think though that optimisation is not what it was

because devs and publishers used to invest far more into the optimisation stage, to get it out on all the popular consoles that ran like shit

now the popular consoles are up there with the most powerful pcs

[thin fjord]

More studios used internal engines built for their needs too.

[woven fiber]

I dunno... honestly every gen has had its quirks, eg. 360/PS3 were often struggling to keep games at a stable 30fps, sometimes even going sub 720p to do that on console, and when they were ported to PC it was an afterthought most of the time (if they even got a port). I feel it's better today overall, we got a lot more games targeting 60fps on console at least, but compromises are always necessary especially considering how the AAA industry works. I don't personally remember a time when optimization was the top priority in big budget games, it simply doesn't pay that much and most people still don't notice anyway

[runic silo]

no they aren't

[meager tendon]

yea what

[merry tartan]

They’re closer than they’ve ever been this far into a console gen

And it costs a goofy amount of money to get there.

I mean, look up the power differential between flagship Kepler and the 360 GPU lol.

[thin fjord]

Most people had 1060s and 1650s not that long ago.

[runic silo]

I can see the argument for consoles having good value relative to a current low end PC like an RTX 4060 equipped PC + other budget parts

besides nvidias path tracing + dlss feature set consoles have pretty much the same hardware and software graphics features

[fading cape]

pretty sure the ps5 pro equivalent is like a 4070

pretty decent ngl

7800xt for amd

[lunar ibex]

Getting anything better than a 4060-4070 costs enough that people who havent already got them are locked out of new games

[runic silo]

absolutely

however "the most powerful pcs" are rtx 4080/4090 5080/5090 + 9800x3d

[fading cape]

4x the price lol

holyy nvm ps5 pro is 700 bucks now?

😭

[runic silo]

yes im not saying people should build a pc from scratch rn

[lunar ibex]

Ps5 pro is aaaalmost as expensive as a new graphics card, bear in mind though it's still a full package that youd have to pay £1200 for to get in pc terms

Yeah no pc subscriptions.... but people will use argos credit.... theyll pay more later to pay less now

[coral notch]

saying that consoles are excellent value and saying that they are "up there with the most powerful pcs" are two different things. one of those is true and one is false.

[thin fjord]

Better than what most people have on their pcs for sure

[thin fjord]

When they released they kind of were. They are like 5 years old now

And they often perform over their hardware capacity too due to optimizations. CPU power has been the biggest limitation for this console gen

[coral notch]

Tipsy didn't say at launch. He said "now"

[ancient ibex]

consoles are nicer now than they used to be, with hdmi 2.1 and TVs with 120hz support, can enjoy high refresh rates if the games can reach them

[thin fjord]

Well yeah obviously now it's very different since console hardware is not upgradeable

[fallen karma]

It's still there despite that

[lunar ibex]

They are though

because

think about what pcs are stronger than a 4070

how many millions of in-use pc cards are 3060 to 4070 at the moment, and how many are above 4070?

vs the number of ps5s on the market

if the ps5 is as strong as the top 20% of gaming pcs, thats pretty fucking impressive

yes it's not as strong as the 5090. who is buying a 5090 right now? nobody

in fact

even matching the ps5 on graphics card alone will cost you.. the price of a ps5

or more

damn what even is this

[woven fiber]

Does it match the 4070/Ti though, I don't think so

More like 4060 maybe

[lunar ibex]

look at this one. end my fuicking life

4060 a bit cheaper than a used ps5 or even a used nintendo switch

idk why the difference is so big

maybe that 8gb ram

[woven fiber]

That's a totally different issue, the GPU market being in shambles

NVIDIA needs some real competition

[lunar ibex]

amd needs to get their act together

people liking their new card but they are struggling because

nvidia can make them so cheaply. that doesnt mean the cards are cheap

but they can make them cheaply and get massive margins

[coral notch]

Literally everything you just said relates to value, not overall performance. How many people own high-end gpus versus how many people own consoles is irrelevant. It has nothing to do with what you originally said: "now the popular consoles are up there with the most powerful pcs". This is objectively false no matter how you spin it.

[lunar ibex]

okay so where do consoles stand next to the most powerful pcs?

[coral notch]

Nowhere close

[lunar ibex]

another question

[coral notch]

Obviously

[lunar ibex]

focusing on graphics cards a moment because i would not recognise a cpu name for the life of me

where is a 4060, a ps5 equivalent graphics card, stand compared to the 5090

[coral notch]

A PS5 is nowhere close to a 4060 what the heck are you talking about

[woven fiber]

PS5 Pro*

[lunar ibex]

youre right, it's better than a 4060

[coral notch]

you said ps5, not ps5 pro

[woven fiber]

Well I wouldn't take what Google's AI says for granted

[lunar ibex]

well why dont you start conversing wiht me in like a non combative way

[merry tartan]

6700 xt is similar to the ps5 gpu

[lunar ibex]

rather than picking holes in everything i say

[coral notch]

i'm not picking holes in everything. you said consoles are "up there" with "the most powerful pcs"

[lunar ibex]

if a ps5 is 4070 powered, the ps5 is 4070 powered imo

well im sorry it's not as powerful as the 0.1%?

[coral notch]

again, how many people own the things is irrelevent. if you meant something different from what you said then say that instead

[lunar ibex]

why is that remotely irrelevant

the amount of people who own the type of powerful pc is part of the point i was making

the point nicely made by jon earlier, being back in the day pcs could run circles around console, but now they cant, because you have to have a 1% powerful pc to be better than the ps5

[coral notch]

that's not what you said, and that's also false

so just to conclude, when you said "now the popular consoles are up there with the most powerful pcs" what you actually meant was "the new ps5 pro (which is much less popular than the base ps5 and xbox series consoles) is in the hands of more people than those who have > ps5 pro-tier GPUs"

[glacial plank]

I don't think it's too important but the fact that pc can get all kinds of improvements (like preset K or renodx or any other mods and even lossless scaling) is a huge benefit regardless of the specs

[coral notch]

i doubt that's even true tbh. there's a good percentage of people who have a 4070 or above. looking at the steam survey at least 15% of users. that's a lot

[lunar ibex]

it is certainly a big benefit

though i have a lot of friends watching me use reno and reframework who look terrified

i think this generation has been very strange

we had games running excellently on pc for several years, they were even playable on steamdeck, because they were still being made for ps4

but as soon as devs stopped targeting ps4 and started targeting 30fps for ps5 , suddenly pc players are very hard hit

[glacial plank]

terrified in which way?

[lunar ibex]

steamdeck playing any new 3d games moving foreward is a big nono unless it's like an indie game

and there arent a LOT of 3d indie games

[lunar ibex]

they play pc games like people play console games. they only play them on pc cos thats where all their friends are

so reno is too much for them

these two have 2060s

[glacial plank]

oh

yea it makes sense tbh, some of my friends just want to boot the game and play

[lunar ibex]

they still got away with playing wilds, in its ugly vanilla format sub 30fps

but thats another point for consoles i think, really there is a massive audience that doesnt care about performance as long as itll run

i think if more games were crossplay and if consoles had literally any ease of access for online systems like Discord, or werent pay to play,

[glacial plank]

I think it has it's merits in a sense, it's so torturous to constantly try to troubleshoot and increase FPS and quality and fight for every little improvement not to know if much really changed even after so many attempts

[lunar ibex]

then they would be a much more appealing choice than these scalped gpus right now

[glacial plank]

while if you just play how it is - it is how it is

you either accept it or move on

PC tweaking is kinda an endless cycle

[lunar ibex]

yeah playing games on my switch vs my steamdeck is a very different experience

on steamdeck im constantly messing with it, on switch it is what it is

[glacial plank]

ye

there's SO many variables too

[ancient ibex]

new out of production 3070 really? look at used for that. or buy newer card cheaper

[glacial plank]

like just last week I tried to do some overclocking and changing some bios settings while messing with game files as well and such

[lunar ibex]

yeah i have no idea why thats so expensive

[glacial plank]

and I had no idea if the game was just acting funky or if I messed something up

[woven fiber]

You gotta put everything in perspective though, I haven't felt what you're saying but ok, I have been using a high end (now aging) GPU, trying to target 4k60 when I could. But if you're still playing at 1080p or taking advantage of dynamic res and upscalers, you can still play with a midrange build from a few years ago and have a console-like experience at least

[glacial plank]

so I'm trying to just chill now that everything is kinda set up lol

[lunar ibex]

i tried overclocking to make monster hunter better and my pc fucking. DIED

it DIED

[glacial plank]

wait really?

[lunar ibex]

yeah it was this whole thing

it got better

but uhh

[glacial plank]

what kinda overclocking did you do

[lunar ibex]

i was told for hours it couldnt boot

what i did was turn on boost in the bios, both core performance boost and memory boost

then after hours of trying to reinstall windows

i was like. fuck this. turn off my pc

and i turned it back on and it booted normally????

restarting < turning off and on again

[woven fiber]

Overclocking can't do miracles, also you need to know what you're doing

[glacial plank]

man when you said it died I thought you actually killed your PC 😸

[lunar ibex]

i really thought i DID kill it

[glacial plank]

but honestly I'm pretty happy with the OC I did

[lunar ibex]

i was like i have fucking FRIED it

[glacial plank]

got like

129 > 135 frames

so a small victory

[lunar ibex]

thats nice, well 129 is already really good if its wilds

getting over 100 is a huge pain

[glacial plank]

wish I could do more but not too lucky for stable results if I go higher

[lunar ibex]

even with frame gen

[glacial plank]

yea wilds overall is pretty weird to tweak 100%

[lunar ibex]

i use a 4070, which is ps5 pro equivalent (hah!!!!")

and it doesnt matter if im running minimum graphics or max

my gain is like. 10 frames

[glacial plank]

should play in 45 frames for true ps5 experience 😸

[woven fiber]

I'm happy with my undervolt that makes my GPU push higher frequencies on its own since temps are lower

[lunar ibex]

i actually do lock the game to 40fps sometimes

[ancient ibex]

because they don't make 3070s anymore, so new ones are overpriced

[lunar ibex]

cos 50 isnt in synch with my monitor but it cant hit a consistent 60 no matter what

[glacial plank]

I think lossless is pretty cool if you want to push more frames

since x2 is not always enough

[lunar ibex]

i made a good choice buying a pc with a 4070 last year

maybe i could upgrade to a 5090 but i feel like id need to upgrade cpu as wlel

and uhh. thats a pain

[glacial plank]

I tried undervolting mine but couldn't do even a slight undervolt

and didn't seem like it would be benefitial tbh

my card stays at like 62C usually

with OC

[glacial plank]

probably a good idea to just wait

seems like 50 series is not as impressive atm and stuff can get cheaper later down the road and with more competition between the brands

I got giga lucky getting 7800x3d for like 230$

[lunar ibex]

the new amd looks nice but it has the same scalpiong problems as the nvidia

[glacial plank]

and then it skyrocketed like twice in price for no reason

when 9800 released

[lunar ibex]

i got a 7600 cpu

not sure how old that is but i THINK it matches my 4070

[knotty cypress]

Df says ps5 is close to 2070 super

Just raster though

[woven fiber]

It comes down to what works best for you and where you live as well I guess room temperature wouldn't let me go that low with an OC, silicon lottery is a big factor too ofc

[knotty cypress]

RT on ps5 is trash

[lunar ibex]

no wonder the 2060s can fucking run Wilds

[knotty cypress]

And then DLSS is much better than non ml upscaling so you could run at a lower base resolution and get better quality on rtx

[lunar ibex]

but ps5 runs wilds like a 4060

base ps5

[glacial plank]

I can actually push it higher by letting it draw 112% power instead of 100 but I don't feel too comfortable with higher temps

it's probably nothing serious but still..

don't think it's worth like +2 fps

[glacial plank]

I feel like preset K ALONE

is enough reason to get pc over console atm

[lunar ibex]

isnt it checkerboarding that games often use on playstation?

the ones that dont bother with fsr

[knotty cypress]

That was ps4 pro era

[lunar ibex]

ff7 rebirth used it

i think wilds did, in beta

[merry tartan]

rebirth wished it used checkerboarding

it's a bilinear upscale

[lunar ibex]

next time i boot rebirth im... installing reno. assuming it supports it

the game is so... something

[merry tartan]

which they patched to be a nearest upscale when people said it was blurry (???) and then they patched it back when they realized they're stupid I guess

that's why PSSR was such an upgrade for that game

[thin fjord]

probably out performs it sometimes because of vram

[thin fjord]

yeah ironically upscaling software is the aspect in which consoles are behind the most

[robust phoenix]

whats the consensus on dlss version thats best?

[merry tartan]

I like K with auto exposure forced, but kinda seems like the consensus is to use what the game shipped with

[meager tendon]

Preset K forced exposure is what i prefer

[robust phoenix]

what changes, in your opinion?

[meager tendon]

Transformer model just looks 100 times better theres some ghosting and artifacting with the volumetric fog heavy areas

[merry tartan]

K substantially improves sharpness and detail but handles the fog worse

forcing auto exposure helps with fog

[robust phoenix]

oh, i do that on special K right

[meager tendon]

Ye

[robust phoenix]

nice

[rustic bridge]

god i love the new lance gameplay

[outer lodge]

i just want fsr4 on my nitro 7900 xtx

[rustic bridge]

gore magala with my new reshade shaders

[meager tendon]

Looks great!

[cerulean acorn]

Finally got around to installing a weapon layer mod and the permanent glow remover

[zinc sapphire]

they probably add layer weapons in some patch hopefully

it is already in for every single armour piece

[cerulean acorn]

BTW, why is there a slider for the bit depth of the PNG HDRs in ReShade? Doesn't basically everything just ignore everything but the first 10 bits?

[glacial plank]

do you guys know if there's a way to fix these artifacts?

1. the blue pattern on the ground
2. the flichery shadows at the top leaves (doesn't really show well on the screenshots)

both can be easily seen after resting to "day/plenty" in the forest

the first one is magically fixed by ray tracing, but second one I'm not sure how to fix

[thin fjord]

if the shadows is what I think it is it might be the awful Ambient Occlusion

[fading cape]

yeah i've tried everything

even on ultra rt max its still there

there's some weird lighting that can be fixed by turning on low rt in some areas but for the most part it doesn't go away

[viscid yoke]

pretty sure first one is just caused by their RTGI implementation, not much you can do about it. the "RT Tweaks" setting in REF helps a bit I think

[sonic thicket]

Ive seen that in REF, do you just enable it?

[viscid yoke]

Yeah it works the moment you activate it

[fading cape]

I wonder if they'll ever fix the awful flickering on the trees

https://tenor.com/view/a-man-can-dream-though-sigh-futurama-professor-farnsworth-gif-14501112

[latent sphinx]

Isnt the flickering caused by dlss ?

[glacial plank]

interesting, I never noticed that flickering before, I guess I didn't look up enough 😸

[gritty ingot]

whats ur graphic settings? looks better than mine

[glacial plank]

it's 1440p, most things on max, ray tracing off, DLSS on quality (preset K) and with disable lens distortion mod

[gritty ingot]

what gpu do you have and fps

[glacial plank]

4070 ti super, around 70 fps with no framegen and 120-140 with it, playing with FG

you can also drop dlss to balanced and it will be perfectly fine imo with preset K, but the difference in FPS is not very big so I don't bother

I also set RCAS to 60 in reno

[glacial plank]

did you try it out? 👀

[gritty ingot]

Not yet. Ill try it out on the weekend. Btw do you also use the dlc textures?

[frosty osprey]

what CPU you using ?

[glacial plank]

7800x3d

[glacial plank]

no, they cause a lot of issues unfortunately, from stutters to some textures not loading at all

[gritty ingot]

Thanks. Really excited to try out your settings. I wish it's weekend already lol.

[glacial plank]

I think the biggest difference for me was removing lens distortion honestly, the game looks so much cleaner with it removed

[shut violet]

60 with preset K???!

[wintry shell]

some people are just built different

[merry tartan]

I think I saw someone mention turning it up to 100 in this game

[woven fiber]

Btw does the lens distortion mod have a toggle to make a comparison or would I need to reload it somehow?

[fading cape]

I dind't even use the rcas there's some amd fidelity sharpening thats better than the rcas

the old vanilla was too sharp it's better now but still a bit much (on top of the weird yellow filter it has)

idk how people handline the hair being like 1 pixel wide and no smoothing

[merry tartan]

there's no yellow filter, it was just graded to have a warm white point, and that comes out more as contrast and saturation increases. You can use jpn modern (d93) and it'll end up looking like a more typical white point for games.

[fading cape]

the vanilla one more warm? I thought the filmic one would be the warm one

[merry tartan]

they should have a similar white point

[fading cape]

i mean i like the filmic one i light a slightly saturated look

[glacial plank]

yeah, I think 50 or 60 looks close to what I've been getting with reshade, adding detail without overshaprpening the edges

I think the engine itself is just sorta blurry overall, even with K

like in wukong I could not go more than 1 sharpness with K

but wilds is a mess imo

[fading cape]

have you tried tweaking the volumetric fog?

[glacial plank]

I think this is perfect without oversharpening much, you can probably make a case with grass looking a bit better with less sharpness, but the game is so random in terms of where it looks good and bad depending on the weather/location and such so I feel like there's no perfect option

[glacial plank]

yeah, at first I thought it could make the game look even better but after playing around with it I got to like the foggy atmosphere a bit more lol

especially in the forest

so I just leave it at default now

[glacial plank]

you can uncheck it in reframework and change any setting in-game to see the changes, but no hotkey toggle I think

[glacial plank]

also just noticed this, do you recommend any specific RT tweaks for it to work? :o and I assume it requires you to enable ray tracing in game too right?

[shut violet]

even Preset E looks kinda over sharpened with 50-60 to my eyes haha

[glacial plank]

do my screenshots look oversharpened to you?

maybe there are some differences in settings we have if they look fine

[rustic bridge]

there's an awesome mod in nexus that allows to tweak the volumetric fog and lightning

[lunar ibex]

infinite kutku

me: why does this game run so badly, it's hardly even loading anything
the game:

[viscid yoke]

I’ve only played with RT enabled so I’m gonna guess yes, but you can test and see if it makes any immediate difference when enabling it while the in-game RT setting is off. There’s a couple of screen space effects you can enable in there that do work and create noticeable changes but I don’t use any of them, just the baseline tweaks from enabling the setting. All of the path tracing ones cause the game to crash instantly from when I tested it

[sonic thicket]

Yeah, I think the path tracing settings were made for for the dgg2 graphics suite mod. I saw a comment from the creator a while ago saying they would try to make a version for wilds when it came out, but the mod page is deleted now. unfortunate.

[left jewel]

Ray tracing doesn't help with the blue texture for me so, I instead try turning on "Subsurface Scattering". It fixed the blue pattern for me at that same spot. Kinda weird.

Im also using RT low, maybe that the thing?

[fading cape]

Is there no monster hunter world hdr mod?

[vocal sorrel]

I recently updated renodx/specialk/reframework and now wilds is extremely dark and I can't figure out why. anyone have an idea what caused this or how to fix it? I updated them all at the same time so I don't know what the culprit is.

[woven fiber]

Check SK's HDR menu to see if there's something toggled there

Set it to "none" and restart

[distant oar]

@vocal sorrel Set it to HDR 10 instead of none and select raw framebuffer or passthrough

Settings hdr to none in sk disables hdr if I remeber correctly

[vocal sorrel]

I'm trying it out now.

no luck, it's still dark. how strange

I gotta max game brightness and increase exposure to 10 to get it to look somewhat right

[ebon tide]

if reno works ingame stuff shouldn't

[vocal sorrel]

I meant game brightness in the renodx settings

[coral notch]

are you using the disable post processing mod?

if you are you have to leave certain options in it enabled

[vocal sorrel]

I am! I had it installed before without this issue but something must have changed. What settings do I need to enable?

[coral notch]

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[vocal sorrel]

Thanks a ton, it's working now. Sorry, I should've mentioned I had the post processing mod enabled to begin with.

[woven fiber]

If the game has native HDR (or RenoDX) it shouldn't matter, none just doesn't let SK deal with it afaik

But yeah passthrough works as well, but you have to choose the correct color space

[merry tartan]

could just delete hdr settings in the sk config and then it'll go back to automanaging it correctly

[cerulean acorn]

So what's the recommended way to kill the lens distortion?

[merry tartan]

edit: use the one Strudel linked below

[cerulean acorn]

Thanks

I haven't figured out how to use discord search in a thread

[zinc sapphire]

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[merry tartan]

is that different from what's on nexus?

[zinc sapphire]

yes

it is the PP mod with everything removed but Lens Distortion

so you get real time switching without having to worry about anything breaking

[cerulean acorn]

Even better

[glacial plank]

just realized my monhun didn't have a single stutter these last 2 sessions

god damn

blessed

[tender frost]

Lets enjoy until next TU hits and breaks everything 🤣

The nice thing in reframework mods though actual mods (lua scripts) more likely to survive in terms of compatibility after updates.

If actual reframework is updated quickly enough, we might get back to the business pretty quick. Let's pray the goat praydog 🙂

[trim tangle]

Reminds me to do a backup of my cloud saves and game folder 😅

[rustic bridge]

Who knows, we might get a fps boost in next update!

[ancient ibex]

should just include a note in the pin for special k and post processing mod settings, and on nexus page

[west remnant]

Idk if it just me or the sky look... a little dark?

[meager tendon]

I think that’s just with the main menu

Could be wrong tho

[west remnant]

Its look like that in the game, too. I just took the picture at the main menu because I don't have to change the time or weather to show the sky

[merry tartan]

Using disable post processing mod?

[west remnant]

No, I don't

[merry tartan]

Oh, you probably just want higher game brightness. By default it’s calculated based on your peak but very few people are gonna be used to looking at a paper white of 105.

Raising it will reduce how much highlights standout but you’ll probably like the picture more with it turned up to the 150-200 range

[sonic thicket]

updating the dlls and dlss version would be a start 😅

[sonic mesa]

hellooo, i noticed i lot of banding on my C4 on wilds, how do you correct this ? or try too ?

it don't bother much but after the step up with renoDX why don't try to correct it 🥲

[dense knot]

Not possible rn

[sonic mesa]

Ok, not on your side ?

[dense knot]

Game uses low bitrate textures and that causes banding

And upgrading textures in dx12 is a can of worms

[rustic bridge]

there's a reshade shader for banding i believe

[rustic bridge]

you can try this

marty also made a debanding shader

the proper way to use this shader is with sdr/hdr converter

[sonic mesa]

thanks

[sonic mesa]

thanks

[sonic mesa]

thank will look into it ! for the science

[rustic bridge]

yw, i don't have banding issue, it's a rich people problem i guess 😛

[ebon tide]

It destroys all details

Best bet is lilium filmgrain but if textutes are low bitrate it's a pain

[safe marten]

hello，I find that no matter how I tweak the settings, I can never perfectly cover all scenarios with just one preset. If only there were a mod that could automatically switch between three different presets when changing maps.

My English isn't good, so this is machine-translated... forgive me if it's strange! T_T

[distant oar]

It can take a bit of time to adjust a preset to look good in every area.

Here are some presets I made that should work in most areas:

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[shut violet]

Is it even possible? Cutscenes require vanilla exposure, but vanilla is usually too bright and fixed can look weird too. 😩

[zinc sapphire]

https://www.monsterhunter.com/wilds/en-uk/topics/director-letter/

Improvements coming very soon include a reduction in VRAM usage and an upgrade to the DirectStorage version of the Steam version in Free Title Update 1. These should result in an overall improvement in stability for our PC players.

[distant oar]

The vanilla game uses some kind of fixed exposure for cutscenes if I remeber correctly

[shut violet]

Yes true, but the fixed exposure settings that works for in-game looks bad during cutscenes :/

[distant oar]

I actually have not noticed big problems during cutscenes yet. But I also havent seen a cutscene in a while because I already finished the story etc.

[shut violet]

Everything is washed out unfortunately

[thin fjord]

do some cutscenes have issues with fixed mode?

first few ones looked okay. I started a new save file recently

[merry tartan]

It depends on the cutscene and how much fixed exposure deviates

[modest ravine]

Amazing! idk how this game manages to use 22/24GB of VRAM

[rustic bridge]

it doesn't use, it just fills it 😄

and keep spamming direct storage to stream textures

if they can fix that texture streaming in next update, that would be awesome

[modest ravine]

I feel like they'd need to use a faster compression method for textures.
It seems they went with one better for size.

[thin fjord]

feels like storage speed/cpu/gpu don't make much a difference so unsure that streaming speed affects much

[rustic bridge]

one sure thing is high texture is much smoother than high res dlc pack

those hi-res textures are a stutter fest

[coral notch]

if you decompress the textures via the mod it gets rid of all the hd texture pack stutter. on a high end system anyway. increases install size considerably though

to me that says their compression method requires too much hardware time to decompress

[rustic bridge]

oO

this one?https://www.nexusmods.com/monsterhunterwilds/mods/951

i'm trying it right now

[coral notch]

yeah

you have to do some weird stuff to get it to work with the hd texture pack

you have to both replace the original hd texture pack with it AND copy paste it to the main directory and rename it as a patch for the main game files

[rustic bridge]

there's also this one with 17GB dlhttps://www.nexusmods.com/monsterhunterwilds/mods/853?tab=description

[coral notch]

that's only for the normal textures

[rustic bridge]

alright

gotta try it another night then, too tired 😄

i'm used to texture repacking anyway

nier automata, final fantasy, etc

[flat blaze]

You can get away with making the patch a hardlink instead of a copied file to save space

[coral notch]

yeah true

[rustic bridge]

mklink /h?

[coral notch]

i didn't bother since i have like 3tb free

[flat blaze]

Yeah

[rustic bridge]

i use that trick for many things

maybe i should wait for new update before repacking textures

[coral notch]

probably

[rustic bridge]

there's a chance for reno being broken?

[coral notch]

there's a chance for everything being broken

[thin fjord]

is there some written guide for this?

[thin fjord]

yeah maybe worth waiting to see if they fix it

[coral notch]

https://www.nexusmods.com/monsterhunterwilds/mods/951?tab=posts post by toroidesu on march 21

[merry tartan]

perhaps I'm cursing us, but I doubt they mess with the shaders we use

[coral notch]

Reframework will probably break which will break reshade right?

[shut violet]

for 5 minutes

[merry tartan]

yeah that much is likely, may not break SK though

[shut violet]

they are updating REF almost every day, it's not going to be a huge issue imo

[merry tartan]

hoping the reduced vram usage means fixed streaming in general

[shut violet]

I really hope so

I would like to use the highres texture pack too

[timid quail]

||Nu udra|| looks the worst without high res textures

[queen girder]

What are the settings in the disable post-processing mod I should leave on?