✅RenoDX: Zenless Zone Zero

[strong tide]

actually @mighty moss can you make me a favor and send me your player.log after you go in-game with RT On?

%localappdata%low/MiHoYo/ZenlessZoneZero/Player.log

[strong tide]

Ok i was right

FUCK

[opal cove]

zamn

[strong tide]

I got it work on NVIDIA but it was jank

the game uses NvAPI for RT shit

[opal cove]

What was the issue

[strong tide]

NvAPI does some fucky things with bindings

that renodx doesn't like

i used fakenvapi to kill nvapi on my system and it worked

[opal cove]

LOL

Wait this game uses SER?

[strong tide]

it seems to yes

it's not using just SER though

it's using more than that because i'm on Ampere that doesn't have SER

and it was broken for me none the less lol

[strong tide]

was RT enabled when you did this?

but yeah it's as i expected

btw there's hidden dlssg support in the game?

[opal cove]

[mighty moss]

Yes

[strong tide]

interesting, but yeah it's as i feared

the game uses nvapi for RT things on NVIDIA

[mighty moss]

These are the settings i used ^

[strong tide]

which breaks renodx

[opal cove]

Is that something shortfuse can fix

But yea now we know why no amd support

[mighty moss]

Ironic considering rt first appeared with this game on consoles running amd gpus

But on pc for now its officially locked to nvidia gpus and seems to be far better optimized for them compared to amd

[strong tide]

no

this works fine on AMD

game checks if nvapi RT features are supported, if so it uses some nvidia specific shaders, if not it uses generic DXR shaders.

[mighty moss]

Yeah i mean i dont get the rt flickering on amd (but i still get flickering on the bottom of my screen with reno) but i was talking performance wise

[strong tide]

i didn't see a huge difference in performance

between RT On without Reno

vs RT on with reno with fakenvapi

i'm on an ampere card though that doesn't have SER

[mighty moss]

5070ti basically gets double the fps compared to 9070xt at rt high with the same settings

[strong tide]

that's probably SER doing some magic lol

[mighty moss]

But in other non path traced rt games both gpus are usually quite close in fps

[opal cove]

One sec

Have 4070 ti super

Uh how do we do the opti method

[strong tide]

oh yeah one thing

[mighty moss]

#1330764788711555166 message

[strong tide]

using fakenvapi on nvidia

kills dlss and you'll have to use FSR/XeSS

[mighty moss]

Install like normal but use dbghelp.dll as the file name

[opal cove]

no i know how to install

do we load reshade from opti

or do it alongside

[mighty moss]

Im loading reshade from opti

Rename reshade dll to reshade64.dll and enable the reshade option in optiscaler.ini

[mighty moss]

Good thing fsr4 int8 is a thing nowadays but yeah

[opal cove]

fsr4 int8 is expensive

on nvidia

next to dlss

[mighty moss]

Even on 40/50 series?

On rx 6000/7000 its usually like only slightly heavier than xess

Is it that much worse than that

[strong tide]

it is very expensive on NVIDIA

5ms on my end

[mighty moss]

Oof

[strong tide]

vs 1.5ms of transformer DLSS, 0.7ms of CNN DLSS and 2ms of XeSS and 1.5ms of FSR3

btw

i don't have that

[mighty moss]

Yeah i guess its prolly an amd thing then

But it does only happen when renodx is active, without it i dont have that issue

[strong tide]

🤔

wtf?

that is impossible for me to debug sorry

i don't have an AMD GPU

[opal cove]

yeah 4~ms

[mighty moss]

Guess ill stick with dx11 for now until if that gets fixed somehow

[mighty moss]

Do you see any perf difference with running opti + fakenvapi vs without btw?

For rt

[opal cove]

already stated up

[mighty moss]

Oh

[mighty moss]

What about on your end

[orchid coyote]

So uhh
RT + Reno is broken for now due to NVApi shenanigans?

[tacit berry]

oh my god

[orchid coyote]

And you can disable nvapi but then you lose on DLSS

[opal cove]

@strong tide wait how do you force spoofing on nvidia

i set nvapi to true in opti

[tacit berry]

I'd assume just rerun the installer and say you're on amd

[opal cove]

it says spoof on but im still getting the RT noise

nvm

its working now?

oh i haven't injected reshade yet

lul

[opal cove]

41fps with no nvapi stuff

[mighty moss]

What were you getting before

[opal cove]

relax

surprisingly

i get the same performance with nvapi

but the stutter is kinda cray cray dog

[mighty moss]

[strong tide]

I fixed it

this should fix RT when running on NVIDIA GPUs

[opal cove]

ZAMN dawg

what did you do

[strong tide]

      //Check if we're a raytracing pipeline using NvAPI SER, it follows this layout:
      //[0] | TBL | 1885845696336 | TUAV, array_size: 1, binding: 0, count: 1, register: 0, space: 2, visibility: all
      renodx::mods::shader::on_create_pipeline_layout = [](auto, std::span<reshade::api::pipeline_layout_param> params) {
        if (params.size() != 1)
          return true;

        bool has_tbl = std::ranges::any_of(params, [](auto param) {
          return (param.type == reshade::api::pipeline_layout_param_type::descriptor_table);
        });

        if (has_tbl && params[0].descriptor_table.ranges->type == reshade::api::descriptor_type::texture_unordered_access_view
            && params[0].descriptor_table.ranges->dx_register_index == 0
            && params[0].descriptor_table.ranges->dx_register_space == 2)
          return false;

        return true;
      };```

i'm skipping the RT pipeline from being touched by RenoDX

[opal cove]

pog

[strong tide]

also wait what the fuck

my GPU supports SER..?

[opal cove]

it works

[strong tide]

i thought this was restrcited to Ada onwards

but the game is checking if my GPU supports SER and it says it does so 🤔

[opal cove]

🤔

damn

this just works

[strong tide]

NVIDIA: SER is already accelerated on all NVIDIA GeForce RTX™ 40 and 50 Series GPUs. NVIDIA GeForce RTX™ 20 and 30 Series GPUs also support SER; while the reorder step is a no-op on these architectures, there is no performance downside to enabling it. This allows developers to target all NVIDIA raytracing capable hardware with identical SER code. HitObject that comes with SER is useful independent of sorting.

ok i don't support SER but SER has no penalty on my GPU

so the driver just says "sure use it lmao"

[opal cove]

lol

so devs can just target ser regardless

[strong tide]

yeah

[opal cove]

ok guess I can supermax this shader dump

@strong tide did the reflection indicating which one's an uberpost just gone now

ok um this might be one good news at the end of this shit show

I switched to different stages to dump different variations of the same effect

only to find

they're now using the same shader?

nvm I think my assumptions might be wrong 🙂

[strong tide]

yes

[opal cove]

ok

bit of a sanity check

are these two doing the same thing

[strong tide]

erm

you have no idea what you are looking at right?

[opal cove]

here's what happens, they always come before one of the patched shaders (?)

[strong tide]

1 sec

[opal cove]

turning them off get the brightness up

im going by vibes but did i get the right one at least

[strong tide]

these are both uberposts yes

be sure to annotate where you found them

[strong tide]

i did a major refactoring of the mod and i moved it to use the ToneMapPass/IntermediatePass/SwapChainPass from renodx::draw, which should make it easier to maintain the mod in the future.
During that move, i also fixed gamma correction and some tonemapping mistakes, which give us some WCG out of the game, and i got rid of the (wrong) midgray and hue correction that assumed this game was using the regular Unity tonemapping (it's not, it's entirely different.).
I also moved the mod to HDR10 by default, this now means you can cope with XeFG on OptiFG, and DLSSG should also work now, if you figure out how to enable it, for those that preferred scRGB, there is now a slider to select the swapchain encoding/colorspace.

shouldn't have broken anything but let me know

[prime igloo]

thank you for your work

[mighty moss]

Oh nice this fixes the dx12 flickering artifacts on the bottom of the screen for me

[strong tide]

Nice lol

[mighty moss]

Man this game can look great at 4k with reno, rt cranked up and fsr4 (make sure to view these images in an image viewer that supports hdr avif images)

[strong tide]

I just set up github releases for this mod, if you want to always find the latest version of the mod, it should be here: https://github.com/MapleHinata/renodx/releases/latest

[opal cove]

@strong tide

um

[strong tide]

oh god uh

do you want to learn how to fix this simple shit by youself?

[opal cove]

how simple is simple

[strong tide]

can you recognize patterners and copy and paste shit?

[opal cove]

i guess

[strong tide]

good

https://github.com/clshortfuse/renodx/blob/main/docs/CONTRIBUTING.md

follow the instructions on how to setup the dev enviorment and i'll guide you when i wake up on how to fix this shit

[opal cove]

yeah im clocking off

[opal cove]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[opal cove]

i assume these are avif screenshots

[mighty moss]

Yeah

[opal cove]

they dont work when posted on discord btw, the colors are fucked

[mighty moss]

What hdr image format does work with discord embeds then

[opal cove]

HDR PNGs

[mighty moss]

Im using starward's screenshot function and it seems like none of the options they provide work with discord embeds in the hdr formats

[opal cove]

reshade has a screenshot function

[mighty moss]

Oh

[prime igloo]

there's also an addon to automatically copy it to your clipboard, very handy

[idle rampart]

How?

[mighty moss]

Where do i find that

[prime igloo]

https://github.com/crosire/reshade-docs/releases/latest/download/screenshot_to_clipboard.addon64
https://github.com/crosire/reshade-docs/releases/latest/download/screenshot_to_clipboard.addon32

[mighty moss]

Ty

[mighty moss]

Just tested hdr pngs and they also dont work properly with discord embeds for me

Oh it works on mobile but not desktop somehow?

Wth

[karmic atlas]

Time to LEARN and DEW IT

I'm on the Luma pipeline now

[mighty moss]

Anyways heres some hdr png screenshots then

[tacit berry]

the fact that the game supports ser is crazy

[idle rampart]

@mighty moss did u have a problem where the fsr4 wont work in lobby ?

[flat ravine]

@idle rampart no

[idle rampart]

tiredge

[flat ravine]

Is your game okay in sixth strret, lumina, failume

[idle rampart]

not really, tons of stutter

[flat ravine]

Do u get a spike on frametime graph everytime when moving camera

[idle rampart]

yup exactly that

[flat ravine]

Good then

[cedar flume]

I cant get renodx to apply, it loads in reshade but I still get an sdr image

[orchid coyote]

Doesn't it hurt the quality of HDR?

[opal cove]

No

[cedar flume]

I can only make it work if I disable compatibility mode in sk, but the game crashes when loading, idk what im doing wrong

[orchid coyote]

Maybe try Optiscaler + ReShade way?

SK + RenoDX was never working well for me

[cedar flume]

yeah maybe I should just change method, but it always worked before with sk, so strange

[orchid coyote]

The benefit of Optiscaler is it allows for proper Framegen

[cedar flume]

I dont really need framegen, anyway I tried with inject64 and it works, so sk is just being a dick for some reason

I could try optiscaler on my laptop tho, xess would really help

Soooo how do I inject reshade with opti?

[opal cove]

Change load order

?

[cedar flume]

I tried, it defaults to lazy because early is incompatible with renodx according to sk

im trying optiscaler now

what dll should I make optiscaler use when installing? Dxgi gets renamed

[feral gulch]

d3d12

[cedar flume]

thx

yay it works with reno

[strong tide]

No, there was no resources to upgrade or shaders to replace on the global descriptor i'm ignoring, that is entirely harmless.

[strong tide]

For the record, mine isn't as well lmao

i do think @opal cove just got extremely lucky or something

[opal cove]

there mioght be a new issue

[opal cove]

yep

just a psa for those who are still on DX11 (or use dx12 without RT for some reason):
planar reflections are completely gone with the mod enabled

didn't notice this myself bc i had RT on the whole time

[karmic atlas]

They take our medicine (Planar) to sell us their poison (RTshit)

gaming has fallen

[strong tide]

what the fuck

was this always broken?

also

have you checked if DX11 is actually broken?

[opal cove]

right image is booting with the game in DX11

[strong tide]

because there was a specific shader on DX12 that was clamping the game that i didn't have the time to fix yet

[opal cove]

with reno

[strong tide]

so it just does a no-op atm

what the actual fuck

was this always broken and nobody noticed or is it new?

[opal cove]

this is new

[strong tide]

i don't touch anything related to reflections though

[opal cove]

previously planar reflections worked until you ulted

[strong tide]

so i'm very confused LMAO

[opal cove]

and then its locked until you restart the stage

ala this one

#1330764788711555166 message

now its just uh, gone

[strong tide]

kill me please lmao

[opal cove]

at least we know it happens on both dx11/12

if you turn off RT in DX12 it will fallback to planar and that's also broken with the mod enabled

[strong tide]

do you have a very obvious place where it's broken

that isn't on 2.0 lmao

[opal cove]

lumina square at night

right in front of HIA

the puddles should just turn into white blobs if planar is broken

Planar/Off

[opal cove]

I think i got it setup what do i do now

[mighty moss]

It works everywhere that aa should apply (basically everywhere apart from pause menu wallpaper, character detail screens, team selection screens and talking head dialogue screens

[idle rampart]

Idk why mine does that

[orchid coyote]

So, do the DLSS presets just not work right now?
Everything seems to be Quality

[mighty moss]

Seems like it

[orchid coyote]

Can't force DLAA either

[mighty moss]

Hard stuck at 1.4 scaling ratio

Even with Optiscaler I can't force change the ratio

[orchid coyote]

Sad as I get exactly the same performance with DLSS on or off lol

But at least better antialiasing than TAA

[mighty moss]

I see improved performance with "dlss" (fsr4) enabled compared to native taa

But I play at 4k res too which prolly helps there

[orchid coyote]

Yeah I play at 1440p

But my performance drop between RT High and Low is not as bad as on AMD

10% for Low
20% for High

[mighty moss]

Yeah it's quite brutal on amd

30% for low and 60% for high

And that's on a 9070xt

Prolly even worse for older amd cards

[orchid coyote]

high seems to have 2x the performance loss of low

But 10% doesn't bother me on Nvidia

[orchid coyote]

Older AMD cards were trash on RT

So it's probably worse

XeFG works though, sadly with UI artifacting on the upper left corner where the objectives are

Oh wait

Enabling OptiFG instead of Streamline fixes the UI issues

Magic

[idle rampart]

can show me ur optiscaler setting?

i only got black screen lol

[opal cove]

something wrong then

or bottleneck somewhere else

[orchid coyote]

Yeah you need the new Optiscaler build

[idle rampart]

i did

[orchid coyote]

My CPU is the bottleneck

So it was expected

[orchid coyote]

Weird
I only clicked OptiFG and XeFG

Nothing else

[opal cove]

what new build

[idle rampart]

#1005863090044284938 message

this

[opal cove]

inject method

[idle rampart]

wdym inject method

[opal cove]

how did you get optiscaler in

[idle rampart]

their own setup bat, and i just replace the new dll

[opal cove]

update zzz mod build yet?

[idle rampart]

#1330764788711555166 message
u mean this?

[opal cove]

yes

[idle rampart]

then yes

[opal cove]

are you trying to use

dlss -> fsr

or xefg

[idle rampart]

optifg -> xeg

[opal cove]

that doesn't work

[opal cove]

if you're using xefg why is your framerate method not xell

and just fallback

[mighty moss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIBCPrwuqUs

Wait wtf how does this guy also on a 9070xt see much less performance overhead with rt high than i do

Hes on a 9950x3d too while im on a 9800x3d so its not like its the cpu affecting things either

Where is he getting 20% more fps from

???

Ok turning off al2 gave me like 7 fps but still

[mighty moss]

Oh yeah also some further insight to the bottom part of the display flickering in dx12 on amd

It only happens when renodx is set to scrgb output

But doesnt happen when its set to hdr10 output

Interesting

[flat ravine]

I was also getting fallback with same settings

[strong tide]

sorry, i got held up with a bunch of work shit today and i wasn't able to guide you, i'll do it when i wake up later today.

[flat ravine]

https://youtu.be/bRiRQql6BYU @idle rampart They are not stuttering with DX12 too

[idle rampart]

mine has gotten abit better today

just play more i guess

kekw~3

[flat ravine]

Mine is just constantly stuttering in the 3 areas like move camera-stutter

Its fine everywhere else

Even with dlss/rt off still stuttering

[idle rampart]

i still have that too, just less now

[flat ravine]

Hmm

[pliant falcon]

Could anyone help me out with how to make Reshade and renodx work with the DX12 version of the game every time I install version 6.6.1 of reshade it just says the game is running abnormally and shuts down after a minute 😭 I feel so dumb.

[orchid coyote]

That's my question too tbh

I have no idea

[orchid coyote]

I have zero stutter too

On 5700X + 4070Ti

Better than DX11 stutter wise

But I also get ~70fps on RT High with this setup

[orchid coyote]

Also XeFG gives me like 180-190fps
From a base of 80-90???

[orchid coyote]

RT Low + DLSS gives me 90% lows of 86fps running round on Lumina's Square

Everything else on max

[flat ravine]

[mighty moss]

Well yeah i dont get any stutter on dx12 other than first few seconds of loading up a new area but that quickly clears itself up

[opal cove]

Something something not 8gb card

[flat ravine]

That does seem to be the case its the cards with more than 8gb that arent stuttering

But like im getting stutters with RT off too which doesnt even use 5gb Vram

@idle rampart has a 12gb card too i think

[opal cove]

AyyMD

[opal cove]

Ok

Ill probably get home soon hopefully

https://tenor.com/view/cat-flower-cat-flower-cat-dancing-dancing-gif-27431637

[orchid coyote]

Optiscaler Framegen + Reshade causes black screen on load

Over

Also I think the DX12 mode wasn't published for a reason

[orchid coyote]

DLSS causes lots of shimmering and disabling it just disables AA altogether

And makes the game a generally blurry mess

[opal cove]

use the built in TAA

and shimmering use CNN preset

oh wait the game might be using CNN as default lul

one sec let me check

yeah looks like its already booting with CNN as default

[mighty spear]

Still have to check DLSS and RT on ZZZ but NvApp override to profile K would work right?

[orchid coyote]

overrides dont work properly

the profiles dont change i think

[cedar flume]

they do, just use dlssglom and nvinspector

[mighty spear]

Oh I found out it's not officially supported yet. Bummer. Lumina Square runs awfully bad under DX12.

[mighty spear]

DLSSgloom?

Or this just should work. I've been trying to read the DLSS overlay but...

[cedar flume]

https://github.com/SimonMacer/AnWave/releases/tag/AnWave-DLSS

it replaces the .bin files in the drivers with the latest streamline dlls

[mighty spear]

I'd rather not to mess with global settings. Will try with profile inspector should be easy to figure out. Thx a lot though.

[mighty spear]

I can kind of read what profile it's using so... Haha.

[flat ravine]

Can u check if changing dlss mode to balanced/performance there is actually working ingame

[cedar flume]

it just replaces the files the nvapp uses for the override, nothing more

[opal cove]

It does

[orchid coyote]

oh yeah known issue

Optiscaler solved it somehow

[mighty spear]

The stutter are unbearable though.

[mighty spear]

Hit Atl+F4 quite fast. Haha. Will check next time.

[orchid coyote]

it's not public for a reason

seems to be lots of weird problems with it

I don't get stutters but get a weirdly blurry image

[mighty spear]

Did you try Lumina Square?

[orchid coyote]

yeah

no stutters

[opal cove]

8 or 10gb gpu?

[opal cove]

Use dlss and sharpening

Dont know where the blurry image complaint is coming from when this is way sharper than the previous TAA method

Especially if its dlss with 1.4 scale

[mighty moss]

I'm using fsr4 through optiscaler and its noticeably sharper than native taa

[orchid coyote]

yeah that's why I'm suprised

[mighty moss]

Even with sharpness set to 0 in optiscaler

[opal cove]

Yeah even dlss is noticeably sharper even without sharpening

[orchid coyote]

a friend got the same issue

[mighty spear]

5090/9800X3D. FPS in Lumina drop to the 40s.

[opal cove]

Sounda like ur doing sth wrong

[orchid coyote]

idk if it's DLSS just not working properly or something

[opal cove]

Turn the game off and on again

Using rt high?

[orchid coyote]

4070Ti/5700X, FPS doesn't drop below 86FPS in RT Low

[mighty spear]

On, off, hih, low... Thought it was RT to blame, but apparently not.

[mighty moss]

I have same cpu but 9070xt instead, even with 4k rt high I'm still getting higher fps than that in lumina

[opal cove]

Turn the game off and on again

[mighty moss]

And rt in this game hits perf quite a lot heavier on non nvidia GPUs it seems

[mighty spear]

I had the feeling RTSS was making things worse as well. But could be placebo or margin error.

It happens when I walk or move the camera.

Watch the overlay for performance.

It looks so good though cannot go back.

[flat ravine]

🤝

[opal cove]

something something works on my machine

[golden mulch]

Only area exhibiting ‘blur’ seems to be in the menus but that’s more DLSS not functioning outside of the game world, lovely 960p everything else is sharp though

[flat ravine]

How much Vram usage btw?

[opal cove]

^

anything not in the game world is sub native rendering

shoudl be immediately obvious

character menus, dialogue etc

[opal cove]

12-14gb at 4k dlss

and RT

at one point I ran out of memory to even run LSFG

[flat ravine]

Maybe there is memory leak then

Also 26gb ram usage 💀

[opal cove]

26gb is normal

[mighty spear]

Well maybe I should not expect 120 flat frame pacing as before. But even with no RT it runs the dame. DX11 is 120 flat on that area.

[opal cove]

i should note

[flat ravine]

DX12 is broken on some GPUs i guess

[opal cove]

that the cpu is super dogshit btw

very cpu limited with RT on

cant expect much from a 5800x

[mighty spear]

That area was killing my 5900X on my old rig, but it was one of the first things I checked when I moved to 9800X3D and it was a huge leap. DX12 though. Not sure they'll be able to optimize much. If they ever decide to release RT anytime soon. Which i doubt.

[flat ravine]

DX12 is maybe just broken on your system someone else was also getting crazy frametime spikes with a 5090

[opal cove]

50 series de optimization

[flat ravine]

40 series mobile gpus too till 4070 dunno abt 4080 and 90 could only confirm till 70

[mighty moss]

Yeah like i said im not seeing issues like that here

[mighty spear]

You CPU chugging almost 20 more Watts than mine.

[mighty moss]

Oh mine isnt running stock

Its at pbo mobo limits with -25 co and +200mhz boost

[mighty spear]

Mine as well.

-25 PBO +200Mhz so it booest to 5.4 Ghz.

Maybe yours is measuring other kind of power thing.

[mighty moss]

Its measuring cpu package from capframex so

[mighty spear]

But always wonder if I did something wrong.

[opal cove]

turn RT off

restart game

turn RT on

[mighty spear]

Mine is measuring just "CPU Power" from Afterburner haha.

[opal cove]

turn dlss off

restart game

turn dlss on

it is something

there was a guy on 5090

only getting

200W usage

until he did something

but i forgot the steps

[mighty spear]

Yes, might be the GPU, though I was just CPU bound but see how the CPU W go to very low when the FPS decrese.

[mighty spear]

Wher edid you see this?

Bet something weird with 5000 series. Only 55% GPU usage while pulling 380W. Thats definetely not 55% usage.

Feels as if DLSS was engaging and disengaging constantly.

Damn it goes from 200 W to 600 W. I never saw this GPU go over 520 W on rare occasions and I have it undervolted so I play at max usage on 400 W.

Will stop before experimenting with DX12 on a gatcha fries it haha.

[orchid coyote]

DX12 is real broken

Tried it on my Win11 25H2 OS

Sttuters going down to even 40fps

That are just not there when I boot to my gaming drive

Same driver, same settings, everything

weird

DX11 has zero of there issues on the same OS

[tacit berry]

um just relaunch the game a bunch and pray it fixes itself

dx12 isn't always like that

oh nvm

[orchid coyote]

that's the problem, it's extremely unstable

[tacit berry]

yea

I'm on team dx11 as well

[orchid coyote]

Hey we heard you like gacha
So we put gacha while launching your gacha

So you can gacha when you gacha

[tacit berry]

wait wdym

oh

[orchid coyote]

ray tracing is cool and all but having to pray to the gacha gods for a stable experience is not so much worth it

[tacit berry]

or you can play it on ps5

and deal with constant fluctuating frame rates

[opal cove]

just works for me now

eks dee

[cedar flume]

no problems for me too, apart from dlss not working in some scenes

[mighty moss]

Yeah apart from the heavier rt perf overhead and renodx not playing nice with scrgb on amd (although hdr10 works fine), no problems for me on dx12

[tacit berry]

I didn't know apple music can show up in your activity history

[mighty moss]

It doesnt

I use music presence to get non supported music players to show up in discord activity

[tacit berry]

oh

I just assumed you have to link accounts

[quiet moth]

From 140fps to 90fps with RT high 💀 that's normal?
I tested with dlss "quality" on 4K output with a rtx4080 and 7800x3d

My game crash half the time in DX12, with SpecialK + renodx 😔 (I did reset SK ini)

[mighty moss]

Could be worse, on 9800x3d + 9070xt went from 180fps no rt to 70fps with 4k "dlss quality" rt max 💀

[tacit berry]

oh

I just realized there is a button that says get this status lol

[quiet moth]

This was in the new 2.0 area or whatever

[cedar flume]

i get the same fps when using dlss

[tacit berry]

damn

I thought this game's rt was amd optimized

[mighty moss]

Yeah ikr considering its amd powered consoles which have had rt in this game first

[quiet moth]

I get DXGI_ERROR_DEVICE_REMOVED with SpecialK + RenoDX in d3d12
anyone use SK with this ?

Crash when trying to get ingame, after the loading screen

[cedar flume]

its actually using nvidia tech for rt

[tacit berry]

I guess just because it runs well on amd console doesn't mean it will run well on pc

[tacit berry]

I saw maple say some stuff about it using ser

[cedar flume]

yeah

[tacit berry]

which is kinda crazy? why is it using ser

only like 2 games use that

and they are "full rt" games

[cedar flume]

dunno maybe the unity build they use have that as default?

[tacit berry]

urp doesn't have ray tracing

[mighty moss]

Yeah and its also not officially supported on non nvidia gpus on pc atm

[quiet moth]

They are still based on Unity 2019.4.40f1, and URP yeah!
They could've updated their fork and not update this tbf

[cedar flume]

dunno then

they just wanted to use it i guess lol

[mighty moss]

Need optiscaler to spoof gpu to nvidia to even get the rt options to show up in the first place

[tacit berry]

also

doesn't the latest dxr include ser or smth?

[cedar flume]

yep

[tacit berry]

using nvapi for it is a little strange

[quiet moth]

@strong tide Your renodx mod always crash after the first loading screen (TV screen), if I have DLSS enabled in the game :/

I tried with d3d12.dll in the game, with inject64.exe and even with SpecialK.
Though it works perfectly (HDR working) when I have DLSS disabled in the game

The reshade log (when using d3d12.dll directly) here: #1330764788711555166 message
Thank you

And here's a log from SpecialK (DXGI_ERROR_DEVICE_REMOVED) below

EDIT: It seems to work when using Optiscaler to inject reshade (and reno), I get HDR with DLSS this way, really weird...
But I go from 140fps to 85fps when using Optiscaler 💀

[tacit berry]

fyi you can rename the dll to d3d12.dll

or use optiscaler

[mighty moss]

Why do you need to use specialk specifically anyways

[quiet moth]

reshade you mean ?

[mighty moss]

Yeah exactly reshade can run without specialk in this game

[tacit berry]

I think special k is cooked with the latest reshade version

[cedar flume]

honestly I have no idea we are talking about the devs of zzz

[quiet moth]

I prefer not to add dll in the game folder
also it has a great framelimiter and nvidia reflex

I could use display commander addon in reshade I guess..

[tacit berry]

rtss is an option as well, but its reflex implementation always seemed weird

[mighty moss]

Rtss reflex mode doesn't work in zzz I think, at least when I tried it with fakenvapi on my amd card to inject al2

But I have had that working in other games so I think it's the game's fault there

[tacit berry]

I think that's just because of some streamline nonsense

special k detects the game's native reflex

idk if its even on in the first place, but you can use it to override the setting

[mighty moss]

Yeah I also haven't been able to get the al2 frame limiter working through optiscaler + fakenvapi in this game either

While it works in other games

[tacit berry]

dang

[tacit berry]

use inject64.exe

[mighty moss]

Although the rest of the al2 functionality seems fine (al2 overlay shows up and reports a latency reduction having it on vs off)

[tacit berry]

maybe they are using mega geo

[quiet moth]

"C:\ReShade\Run_ZZZ.ps1"

Start-Process .\inject64.exe -ArgumentList "E:\ZenlessZoneZero Game\ZenlessZoneZero.exe" -WorkingDirectory "C:\ReShade" -Verb RunAs
Start-Process -Wait "E:\ZenlessZoneZero Game\ZenlessZoneZero.exe" -ArgumentList "-use-d3d12" -Verb open

Do I need to put ReShade64.dll in C:\ReShade ? doesn't work...
or I need to rename it

[tacit berry]

I'm going to be honest

wait hold up

launch cmd as admin

then use it to launch inject64

open the game and it should inject

[quiet moth]

I just do run ps1 in right click menu and it ask for UAC twice

nah I want a script lol

[tacit berry]

fair I've never tried using any scripts with it

[quiet moth]

Ah it's because the first argument is the exe name, not it's path 😅

Well, I still crash after first loading screen 😔

[tacit berry]

dang

[quiet moth]

I launched without reno/reshade, disabled dlss ingame, and now it works lol, weird

And tried to enable dlss afterward and it crashed lol

[opal cove]

what are you doing

don't use inject64

just rename reshade to d3d12.dll

the game doesn't check for it

or use optiscaler renamed as d3d12 and inject reshade through optiscaler

don't use SK unless you actually use the SK features

since it has its own overhead

[mighty moss]

Yeah I noticed SK had a good bit of performance overhead compared to without

[opal cove]

yes

reshade by itself has less overhead

[quiet moth]

I prefer to use an injector than a dll in the game folder

Also I bet it will also crash in dlss enabled with d3d12.dll
it works fine without dlss, d3d12 with inject64.exe

[opal cove]

why dont you try it

and come back

because this issue has been reported before

[quiet moth]

I put reshade 6.6.1 as d3d12.dll alongside ZenlessZoneZero.exe, then launch that exe and it doesn't even inject lol

[opal cove]

only if you launch it in dx11 mode

remember to actually launch in dx12

[quiet moth]

right

It also crashed, after the TV loading screen

only happens when I start with reshade+reno on d3d12, with dlss enabled ingame

not SK or inject64.exe issue

[opal cove]

then inject through optiscaler then

opti as d3d12

in optiscaler.ini, inject reshade set to true

put reshade as reshade64.dll in game folder

[quiet moth]

if sk and inject64 and reshade dll all fail specifically with dlss, I doubt this will work lol

Damn, it works with optiscaler, really weird

[orchid coyote]

Same in my case

[tacit berry]

what gpu

[orchid coyote]

RTX 4070Ti

[tacit berry]

wtf

[quiet moth]

reno spam this 02:51:26:073 [ 6104] | INFO | [RenoDX] mods::swapchain::OnCreateResourceView(upgrading, found_upgrade: true, expected: true, view type: texture_2d => texture_2d, view format: r8g8b8a8_unorm_srgb => r8g8b8a8_unorm_srgb => r10g10b10a2_unorm, resource: 0x000001ff2de18a40, resource width: 3840, resource height: 2160, resource format: r10g10b10a2_unorm, resource usage: render_target) 🤔
can it reduce fps ?

[tacit berry]

what resolution

[orchid coyote]

1440p

[tacit berry]

damn

[orchid coyote]

I have same stuff spammed over and over

[tacit berry]

reno already adds some overhead anyway

[orchid coyote]

But I also get 60% load on GPU while gaming on max

And it sometimes randomly jumps to 100%

Then back to 60

This game is cursed

[tacit berry]

it gave me a pretty big boost on my 2070 super

4k 60 is somewhat viable with it

[quiet moth]

I have 140fps without Optiscaler+reno, and 85fps with it...
d3d12, dlss quality, NO RT

[tacit berry]

that's huge

it didn't sink my frame rate that much

under dx11 at least

[orchid coyote]

Yeah, dx12 is a whole nother can of worms

[quiet moth]

I mean I have 140fps in d3d12, without reno/optiscaler

[orchid coyote]

DX12 problem
Have the same stuff

[orchid coyote]

Optiscaler+DX12 = half FPS

[quiet moth]

Well the game crash with DLSS, if I have reno/reshade without optiscaler 😩

can I like mostly disable optiscaler and just have its inject reshade stuff?

[orchid coyote]

I just sent back to DX11 + Special K
Zero issues and the game is buttery smooth

[quiet moth]

Yeah of course, but I want dlss lol

[orchid coyote]

DX12 needs some more time in the oven
Maybe it will be better in 2.4

I hope

[tacit berry]

[orchid coyote]

[quiet moth]

Apparently they don't do LOD bias for dlss ?

[quiet moth]

SpecialK + renoDX + D3D11 = 110fps
renoDX + D3D12 = 130fps (without DLSS ofc)

SK overheard I guess

Oh it's probably nvidia reflex in SK

[orchid coyote]

What is your setup?

[quiet moth]

Without reflex I get ~120-125fps

[quiet moth]

7800X3D, RTX4080, 4K display, everything to max ingame

[orchid coyote]

Damn, what's the area you're getting that for?

[quiet moth]

I just use a 90fps cap on my gsync display and it's smooth, never dips
with reflex+boost

[mighty moss]

Both dx11 and dx12 perform pretty much the same for me within margin of error with "dlss" and rt turned off

Also renodx/reshade itself barely has any overhead afaik, a lot less than special k anyways

[quiet moth]

reflex: off: 120fps
reflex: on: 110fps
reflex: on+boost: 95fps

wut

I thought +boost wouldn't reduce fps 🤔 just increase power draw

[quiet moth]

130-135fps with just renodx in D3D11
120fps with SpecialK+renodx in D3D11 (no reflex, so it's more fair)

[mighty moss]

Special k overhead is still there even without reflex anyways

[quiet moth]

Yeah, it's not nothing

I wonder if inject64.exe can load a ReShade.ini alongside it, instead of polluting the game folder 🤔

[quiet moth]

I recommend DisplayCommander instead of SpecialK, less headache and no overhead
(nightly versions in RenoDX server https://discord.com/channels/1408098019194310818/1423918603035476041)
Sure RTSS also work

(Ignore the overblown screenshot lol)

[quiet moth]

Normal that increasing game brightness (203 vs 406) make the characters skin pink ?
D3D11 here

Ah it's fixed if I set UI brightness to the same value (so both 406)

seems like a bug, UI brightness impact the whole image when you put it below game brightness
Especially when UI brightness is <50% of game brightness

@strong tide ^, sorry if this was already reported 😅

[tacit berry]

um idk about that one, but I've seen a different issue reported

relating to the ui brightness not matching game

[quiet moth]

@strong tide
Another bug, the game reach +1200nits, while I have 1000 nits peak 🤔
And this is just reshade+renodx, no SK and no color grading

Weird bc even with lilium "tone mapping" targetting 1000 nits, it still overshoot similarly

On another note, would be cool to have the ability to disable Lucia shader (the one that remove saturation and adds a dull vibrance or smth)

[strong tide]

did you reload the scene after changing the brightness

literally anything you change requires a scene reload

[strong tide]

it doesn't really matter what this is based on

because it's so far removed from standard Unity URP

that it kinda doesn't matter

[quiet moth]

I opened the character menu, yes
This is enough, right ?

[opal cove]

i was ready to say user error but surprisingly its not this time

something wrong with the final output shader on dx11 specifically

[mighty moss]

Oh is that why sig wengine effects are brighter on dx11 vs dx12

[quiet moth]

@strong tide Another weird bug: Yuzuha eyes (and hands?) during her ult, d3d11
I don't think other characters have this

[mighty moss]

Yeah i noticed that too, forgot to mention it

[strong tide]

..they are the same shader though

[opal cove]

surprisingly no one caught it on dx11

random play sign

left is dx11

exact same settings

[opal cove]

you can stop with the ping bud

the person is here

[quiet moth]

are you maple alt account ?
I think they are old enough to tell me if it bothers them

Meanwhile I only ping for bugs, so they don't get buried into this thread
So they can more easily search these

[opal cove]

thats very out of left field but no

[quiet moth]

Do you have a preset for this new version ? (well considering d3d11 and d3d12 look different rn, a bit hard to for now)
I use this for now

(only 140 when I play late and with nearly no ambient light)

[opal cove]

11 and 12 should not look different

thats the issue here

[quiet moth]

yeah what I'm saying

Does the issue about UI brightness < game brightness looking weird, is only on d3d11 ?
or also d3d12 (but looks differently for another reason, like spiwar screenshot 🤔 )

[opal cove]

its not about UI or game brightness

you can have it be double game brightness

and it will look cooked

ala

[quiet moth]

Well if you put ui brightness at 50% of game brightness, orange gets pink , weird
skin, some buildings that are relatively bright

I guess, though it's way less noticeable when it's 200%

[opal cove]

the issue persist no matter what ui brightness or game brightness

double check with dx12

[quiet moth]

oof, when both are at same value it seems relatively normal though

[opal cove]

not really no

[quiet moth]

203/203 vs 500/500 ?

[opal cove]

doesn't matter

just compare to reference

dx12 vs dx11

[prisma dome]

Hey, if you can, may you be able to pin this?

[mighty moss]

@quiet moth does reflex fps limiter work for you in display commander in this game?

[opal cove]

buddy is gonezo

[mighty moss]

🥀

[opal cove]

don't worry he'll be back with a new alt

[strong tide]

did he get banned or did he see our messages on Special K and left?

[strong tide]

I mean given how he speaks, we'll figure out eventually if he comes back

[mighty moss]

Nvm my question was answered in a different way anyways

I asked the display commander dev to add fakenvapi support for the reflex limiter which he did, and somehow dc's reflex limiter actually works for zzz for me unlike optiscaler lol (al2 only works in dx12 not dx11 tho)

The build for that in question for anyone else interested
#1423918603035476041 message

[strong tide]

Ok i figured out why DX11 is broken

and that is because i'm fucking stupid in a different way
they added a new shader after the uberpost

i ""fixed"" that shader on d3d12

but it breaks d3d11 in a different way

no wait

It's D3D12 the one that is broken LOL

@opal cove so

remember this shit?

they apply the shader from there everywhere now

it was already kinda fixed on d3d11

but d3d12 just does a no-op and doesn't run that shader at all

which is why it looks the same as the previous versions

it looks the same as the previous versions because i nuked the shader mihoyo added

god i hate this shader i have no idea what it's doing on both dx12 and dx11

[opal cove]

oh god lol

[strong tide]

what this shader seems to be doing

is applying fucking scanlines to the screen?

anyway you are correct that it does look kinda clipped

so i'm probably unfucking this shader wrong on both d3d11 and d3d12

[karmic atlas]

User name checked out

[strong tide]

you know what this shader is too fucked i'm going to upgradetonemap

[strong tide]

@opal cove i think i unfucked both d3d11 and d3d12

pls test

[mighty moss]

Yeah seems like sig wengine effects are the same brightness between dx11 and dx12 now

[strong tide]

it sure is glowy

I kinda like how it looks though, even it's a bit strange lol

i'd imagine her sig is self-emitting a lot of light for some reason that just gets clamped to SDR by RGBA8_UNORM

[mighty moss]

Btw i was mistaken about dx11, al2 isnt active there (and i assume neither is native reflex), its latencyflex instead

[strong tide]

correct for both

reflex is only on for DX12

fakenvapi can add latencyflex to anything

but it's quite a bit worse

[mighty moss]

Yeah true

But i guess its still better than nothing right?

Or amd's driver level og antilag

[mighty moss]

Nvm the low fps for a couple sec every time theres a large fps fluctation with latencyflex is too annoying for me

[opal cove]

AL2 works in dx11 just do manual fakenvapi

I was using that for my igpu laptop

[mighty moss]

How

[opal cove]

i dont want to pull my laptop out but you can use fakenvapi without opti

it should automatically detect AMD

and switch to AL2

and not latencyflex

if you check the logs

just use the correct dll name

orwhatever

nvapi64.dll

or use one of the typical dll names

[mighty moss]

Yeah in dx11 i am using it through display commander only but it automatically uses latencyflex

But with neither display commander or opti it does nothing

I enabled logs for fakenvapi and none are being created

I tried with both the dll name as nvapi64.dll and fakenvapi.dll

[opal cove]

dx11/dx12

looks like fixed

[opal cove]

🤷‍♂️

i do have this picture saved on my desktop

anyways if u can find a way to get it working it should work even without opti

[orchid coyote]

Wtf why would Special K have an overhead

I thought it improves performance?

[opal cove]

lol

https://tenor.com/view/devil-may-cry-dmc-vergil-vergil-snow-vergil-eat-gif-9559936083458625143

well now you know bud

it doesn't \

it could be neutral or slight perf overhead

which on this game

is a perf overhead

[orchid coyote]

What happened lol

[opal cove]

he's someone who was banned on this server before

not his first alt

[orchid coyote]

So uhh, ReShade+DisplayCommander seems to be the best option for performance then?

[opal cove]

sure

[mighty moss]

What does your fakenvapi.ini look like then

[opal cove]

if you can replace SK's features that you use with other tools, then its the better option for performance

[opal cove]

you could also inject fakenvapi through sk

if you're still using sk

[mighty moss]

Yeah i tried with these exact same values and still fakenvapi doesnt do anything without opti or display controller

[mighty moss]

Havent been using sk for a while but ill give it another try ig

[orchid coyote]

I don't think fakenvapi works without opti

[mighty moss]

Tried injecting fakenvapi through sk and it still uses latencyflex in dx11

Also says al2 dx11 initialization failed in the logs

Is al2 dx11 just specifically borked for rdna4 or smth

😭

[opal cove]

lol rip i have rdna 3 780m igpu

@strong tide I think whatever that shader was doing, maybe affected the reflections?

planar reflections are back in full swing

[mighty moss]

I uses to have a rdna3 gpu a while back and tried fakenvapi there too in this game but it always used latencyflex no matter what I did, but that was way before the current patch ofc

But well anyways if anyone else on an amd gpu is able to get fakenvapi to activate antilag 2 in dx11 lmk

[opal cove]

um scratch this, celebrated too early

so previously planar reflections are broken in both dx12 and dx11

now its fixed

in DX12

where you can already replace it with RT reflections

and not dx11

[strong tide]

what the FUCK

why did that fix planar reflections on DX12

but not on DX11

am i getting cucked by 3dmigoto here?

but truth to be told

i have no clue what the fuck this shader is doing

[opal cove]

i double checked by loading the previous version and planar was not working dx12

[strong tide]

i can actually kinda believe this shader affecting planar

[opal cove]

so whatever changed this patch definited fixed it

[strong tide]

because planar broke on dx11 previously

when i touched this shader to fix the character intros

I feel like 3dmigoto decompilation is owning me

i had 3dmigoto (the DX11 SM5 decompiler) introduce some bizarre issues thanks to broken decompillation

the DX12 SM6 decompiller is a lot beter at not fucking up

[opal cove]

damn how do we deal with that

[strong tide]

i'm going to try something

copy and paste the SM6 decompillation on top of the SM5 shader

it's still technically the same shader so it should owrk

[orchid coyote]

This game is so cursed

[strong tide]

nvm this won't work

the SM6 shader uses features not present in SM5

alexa play despacito

ok time to test something

i'm going to stop replacing the vreffects shader on dx11

if that restores planar reflections i'm going to kill myself (and get creative)

[strong tide]

tbh i had 3dmigoto cause the WEIRDEST FUCKING SHIT on HSR

so it breaking ZZZ in some way would be pretty on brand

ok it is not that shader that is breaking planars on DX11

not modifying that shader at all still has broken planars on DX11

[orchid coyote]

Is it the only option for decompilation?

[strong tide]

not exactly but it's the more comfortable one

ok bad news

planars seems to be killed by resource upgrades on D3D11

i disabled shader injection entirely on ZZZ and it planars are still fucked

the planar reflection is likely a RGBA8 texture that doesn't like being upgraded

ok fine

the shady ass renderdoc fork won

i can't debug this with renodx-devkit

[strong tide]

The Chinesium was too strong

[orchid coyote]

[strong tide]

I GOT NSIGHT WORKING GET FUCKED MIHOYO

[karmic atlas]

[prisma dome]

The one thing that kinda sucks is that DX11 only gets the planar reflections, but nothing in real-time, i.e, when the character stands next to a window etc.

Honestly, if someone made an ultrawide mod, I'd jump ship. The other mods would suck to lose, but they aren't extremely important.

[opal cove]

planar reflections are real time

[prisma dome]

Not really. Not like the RT ones anyways, as far as this game is concerned. Model reflections don't seem to show up at all.

Unless there's a setting I need to change.

[opal cove]

any surface that uses planar reflections are real time and has game model

whatever you see not showing up

are cubemaps fallback

[prisma dome]

@strong tide Update is solid, btw. Do the extra settings work for DX11, or just DX12?

[opal cove]

especially windows

you can check by yourself

turn off mirror reflections

and they still use the same cubemaps

those surface don't use planar

[prisma dome]

Yeah, my mirror reflections are on high, and they still don't show up.

[opal cove]

because those surface do not use planar reflections

do you not understand

one second

mirror reflections high

mirror reflections OFF

this is because this is a surface that doesn't use planar regardless of whether you turn it on or off in the first place

likely for performance reasons

planar in this game is real time and includes pretty much everything

sometimes even more than actual RT

[prisma dome]

So, what surfaces are they actually supposed to show up on? Because I haven't seen a reflection once in this game & I've been playing for a year now.

[opal cove]

lmao

[prisma dome]

Are you gonna answer my question, or just be an asshole?

[opal cove]

one sec

how have you been playing a year and not notice that

the ground on every VR room

is planar

[strong tide]

they work everywhere

[prisma dome]

Tbf, that's pretty hard to notice in real time. I only access this room during dailies, so I'm in & out pretty fast. The reflection doesn't exactly stick out either. But, fair enough.

[opal cove]

this is also a good example of where they fucked up RT btw

the roughness is way different in RT mode

when its supposed to be a very reflective floor

in general, when you turn on RT

• every surface that used planar will switch to RT
• some surface that used only cubemaps before (windows) will start using RT

[prisma dome]

During the beta leaks for this patch, they showed reflections in one of those windows that apparently use cubemaps, can't remember if it was the one at Random Play or not. So yeah, more reflections like that would be great.

[opal cove]

thats one improvement since RT can do it without tanking perf

and significantly higher resolution

otherwise planar is already on most surfaces

just way blurrier

[prisma dome]

Maybe they're using a general setting for surface roughness? I use the RTGI shaders & I have it set to where I can see light reflecting harder on some surfaces without affecting how it looks outdoor pavement & whatnot. Otherwise, I'd have to manually set it for each room.

Granted, that would be a pretty lazy approach for HoYo devs, but they probably ran out of time.

[opal cove]

🤷‍♂️

[orchid coyote]

This issue is weird
DLSS + ReShade as d3d12.dll crashes
So do you all guys just load via Opti?

[tacit berry]

I don't understand. This game has like one of the best ultrawide implementations I've seen

[prisma dome]

For a typical ultrawide, sure.

The game actually natively supports 32:9.

But the game is putting black bars on the UI to hide the sides.

[tacit berry]

oh

ic

anyway I was shocked to see the fmvs in ultrawide

[tawdry python]

What stage is this mod in right now? Where can I get latest version and which Reshade version should I use?

[mighty moss]

Its mostly working with some minor bugs
Use latest version of reshade with addon support
https://github.com/MapleHinata/renodx/releases/latest

[orchid coyote]

• Some reflections don't work on DX11
• DLSS is not working in DX12 if you don't inject ReShade with Optiscaler

Other than that some minor visual glitches

[tawdry python]

If I don't care about reflections (RT off) but like DLSS means I should just use dx11? Didn't even know it supported dlss

[cedar flume]

dlss doesnt work on dx11

[potent nimbus]

Pretty sure they are cropped to fill the screen, but yeah still nice that they actually fill the screen I guess

[strong tide]

Hewwo, pretty major update today:

• Planar reflections fixed on D3D11, hopefully this fix won't cause other issues.
• Added 21 D3D12 shaders fixed by @opal cove, with this, D3D12 should have parity or execeed content coverage compared to D3D11.
  https://github.com/MapleHinata/renodx/releases/latest
  Grab it on Github!

[strong tide]

btw i uh, lost track of what currently works and doesn't work

if someone can aggregate the remaining issues for both D3D11 and D3D12, i'd appreciate it

do note that things that were broken prior to 2.3 might no longer be broken

because of the mod reworks required by d3d12 lol

[opal cove]

for d3d12

• character menu screen still being clamped (that shader that crashes the decomp)#1330764788711555166 message
• insane glow when you use character ult ( u said this is bc of upgrades?) #1330764788711555166 message

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1133480106078248980/1430789067876073472/2025-10-22_23-24-40.mp4?ex=68fbb668&is=68fa64e8&hm=6f41c25487dc6831480287cb47e7f44780b4c574643e2168393323c136b8b551&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1133480106078248980/1430495518781476985/2025-10-22_03-56-49.mp4?ex=68fb4dc4&is=68f9fc44&hm=ee6988b236446cdc2ec377492344f892e9f2a8753601cfc81728e3fbbdaa3fa9&

[mighty moss]

Character menu screen is also clamped in dx11

Yeah are yuzuha's eyes supposed to be that bright in her ult?

https://youtu.be/5dxVK7OoGvs?t=24

Doesnt seem so

[opal cove]

u can compile the list of dx11 issue

[mighty moss]

Yeah so far its the same as urs but if i find anything else later i'll share it here

[split path]

How do I get the borders back in windowed mode?

[mighty moss]

Btw you can safely disable those other 2 addons, they're not needed for renodx

[mighty spear]

Oh so is DX12 on beta already? Likely to be launched soon?

[prisma dome]

Already a thing. Make a shortcut of the .exe with "use-D3D12" without quotes in the target section, use it to start the game & boom. DX12.

Keep in mind that it will break any XXMI-dependent mods, though.

[mighty spear]

Oh yes I tested that, but runs kind of awfully bad. Just wanted to know if this could be a thing MHY is actively working and will be seriously implemented or if the final product would me mostly as it is now.

[prisma dome]

I imagine improvements will come over time, and Nvidia will probably need to release a driver update for it.

[austere void]

you aren’t supposed to use dx12 with the curent build of the game, even if you can access it XD and for good reasons, it’s not finished, ofc the final version and official support for dx12 will perform way better that the forced method

[orchid coyote]

Yeah

It's working
But it's not stable

If it works then good for you, but there are some weird issues with people having lower performance, stutters or straight up crashing

DLSS implementation is also very basic, it's not working properly

[orchid coyote]

Quality preset is forced on, no matter what you do

[austere void]

I’m surprised it’s at this stage :3 guess the Nvidia stuff comes with some pre-made stuff? whatever do you call the kit, then the rest is polishing and making sure it works with the game build

[orchid coyote]

Yeah, implementing the SDK is extremely easy if you have access to the game code

Everything else after that is the problem

[orchid coyote]

Especially when you have an engine that is so modified it's barely Unity anymore

[cedar flume]

also lucia ult seems clamped, dx12

@opal cove could you share your reno preset? I liked the one you made for wuwa, mine always looks like somethings off

[opal cove]

Clamped where

Video?

[opal cove]

According to maple its uhh intentional

Im not sure how to deal with it yet...

[opal cove]

you can try this

increase contrast to 70 (and additionally highlights 70 for a bit of extra punch)

[cedar flume]

uh how do I record hdr videos, I only use game bar for screenshots

[opal cove]

OBS

[cedar flume]

thx, downloading now

[prisma dome]

You should be able to force a different setting, via DLSSSwapper to upgrade the algorithm model & DLSSTweaks to force a specific quality level, all the way up to DLAA.

Granted, that's only a workaround. HoYo should be working with Nvidia to get a driver update specifically for DLSS.

[opal cove]

no

won't work

you're welcome to try.

[cedar flume]

last attack of lucia, around 00:04-05

[cedar flume]

thanks, looks better than mine, still weird tho

[opal cove]

weird in what way

[cedar flume]

dunno, somethings off

like I said before

[opal cove]

yes but how would you describe it

give your best attempt

[cedar flume]

like, the red flash when enemies attack you

its weird

[opal cove]

you're thinking of something different than i am then

the red flash is normal to me

[cedar flume]

it should match sdr right?

[opal cove]

mostly

[cedar flume]

wait i'll show you with some screens

nvm its too fast to capture on screens

[opal cove]

screen record

[cedar flume]

yep

1 sec

this is sdr

this is hdr

am I crazy or is the red flash different

[feral gulch]

hdr version has some blowout

[cedar flume]

you are right it was blowout

i had no idea

@opal cove sorry

[opal cove]

all g bro

[opal cove]

@strong tide lmao how do you patch a VR effects shader

wait don't answer that yet let me see if I can figure it out just from one of your finished products

[opal cove]

https://tenor.com/view/pattern-recognition-gif-8365114772001990475

@cedar flume try this

[cedar flume]

good job it works

[opal cove]

good

[cedar flume]

so only thing to fix is character menu

[split path]

So there's no way to use renodx with bordered windows for zzz?

[opal cove]

🤷‍♂️

[split path]

😔