✅RenoDX: Zenless Zone Zero

[prime igloo]

do they not know what an OLED is

[strong tide]

they know, they don't care

[prime igloo]

☹️

I was speechless the first time I tried a gacha game and saw that

[strong tide]

the static UID is present on every game they made (and on other gachas) because they want to have an identifier on screenshots

[prime igloo]

I actually just stopped playing it

invisible markers....

[strong tide]

yes, even if it's dumb and you can remove it easily with editing, you'd be astonished to learn that leakers are even dumber and lazier.

and they also know that most people won't bother to remove the identifiers lmao

[prime igloo]

including me

well I actually don't even understand that anymore, since private servers are so easy to set up and get updated very regularly

it's slowly turning into one of those scenarios where it's more an annoyance to proper users than a deterrent to anything malicious

[strong tide]

but like, here's the thing though, a developer will only think "someone might want to touch this shader on its own", if the person writing that code is thinking about supporting modding, even implicitly, because for the developers, it doesn't matter, if they want to disable the pillarbox, they have the source code, they can just go and remove the code that sets it up.

the game is just not designed around modding, so developers will just not think or even consider this use case

[prime igloo]

yeah, I'd like devs to think about that, but kind of an unrealistic expectation for a company like hoyo

on a slightly relevant note, I suck at using REST if the game gives me the slightest bit of resistance. I tried removing the UID using it but I failed miserably. is there a better place I could ask for help regarding this or does anyone here have an ini for it that does that?

[mighty moss]

https://gamebanana.com/mods/612899

This works for removing the uid

[prime igloo]

is that for the modded launcher though?

[mighty moss]

If you mean xxmi, yeah

[prime igloo]

ah ok, appreciate it, I just use reshade though

[prisma dome]

Use the Shader Toggler addon.

[prime igloo]

isn't that REST?

ohh, this? https://github.com/FransBouma/ShaderToggler
I'll take a look

[opal cove]

Might as well use the mod instead of wasting time

[opal cove]

Most Oled users dont care

And the benefit of having an always on id for ss far outweighs appeasing the 1% of user complaining about burning in the corner of the screen (if that ever happens)

[prisma dome]

So, I'm guessing soop's converter effects don't work with REST?

I'm just trying to make sure the DoF effect I'm using doesn't cover the UI, but I can't isolate shaders in REST without it breaking the converter shaders.

[orchid coyote]

Did anyone have issues with the game crashing every 30-40minutes, and displaying stuff that shouldn't be normally seen with RenoDX?

For example

1. Sometimes the black screen shown during scene switching can disappear earlier than it supposed to and show pop-in

2. During Dialogue when the speaking character changes the screen flashes black for a split-second.

Both of these don't happen without ReShade, and the game is stable

Also during dialogue the characters seem overblown when a choice appears

[sonic cipher]

✅RenoDX: Zenless Zone Zero

[prime igloo]

was seed ult fixed?

[opal cove]

no

[prisma dome]

Discord is supposed to have native AVIF support... why do their uploads of em come out so fried? The PNG by comparison.

Or, maybe it's the autoconverter I'm using to convert from JXR to AVIF, because Discord won't let me upload anything bigger than 10mb without Nitro. Otherwise, I would just upload the native PNG's out of Reshade instead of converting to smaller files.

[opal cove]

#🖼️hdr-screenshots exists

[tacit berry]

it doesn't really support hdr avif

I think you can work around that by using the icc profile hack and 8 bit

[dusky pagoda]

to be fair the UID is dimmer than the game world most of the time and if it ever becomes an issue it will likely be inverse burn in, which is partially fixed via long term pixel compensation cycle

people very much do still get "burn in" from black bars, it's just much less common than the typical logo burn in

[tacit berry]

the ui is brighter than the highlight on ps5

tbf the ps5's video capture isn't great, but the ui shouldn't be brighter as seen with renodx

this is untonemapped

[austere void]

the mod is kinda broken right now

[orchid coyote]

And it's abandoned

Just use Special K HDR

Works fine for this game

That's what I'm doing

[tacit berry]

afaik the only thing that's broken is seed's ult

[tacit berry]

oh

I mean I've had some black flickering on distant objects

[opal cove]

its time for you to learn to fix it buddy

[opal cove]

no

[orchid coyote]

Why so aggressive
I would love to fix it myself but I don't have the skillset required, so I just don't use it

[opal cove]

its not aggressive its an ongoing meme i have with him

[orchid coyote]

Ohh

Makes sense lol

[idle rampart]

No one is updating renodx for zzz now?

[karmic atlas]

ZZZ has z'ed it's last Z

[silver lantern]

Press Z to pay respects

[mighty moss]

Please let this be true 🙏

I've been asking them to add dlss/fsr/xess upscaling in every zzz survey for a while

But uhh is dx12 gonna fuck over this renodx mod if it's not getting updated?

[orchid coyote]

FINALLY

Waited so long for a proper anti aliasing solution

Now only native HDR support

[karmic atlas]

Just when Maple leaves behind the Z slop

[orchid coyote]

Someone really doesn't like gacha

[karmic atlas]

• ZZZ Reno dead
• Wuwa has atrocious RTGI since the latest update
• Genshin has no HDR and AC means no Reno

I dunno

Do I wait for duet abyss

Everness to neverness

[orchid coyote]

Wuwa broke RTGI in latest update?
damn

[karmic atlas]

It looks ass

Major ghosting

RTAO is too strong now

Looks like cranked up SSAO back in the day

Or those Reshade based RT shaders were the user cranked the settings

[opal cove]

I dont think theres even rtao in this game

Its just plain ssao

You can turn capsule AO settings off with RT on

[karmic atlas]

But that doesn't solve the ghosting?

[opal cove]

Yeah

But its it not rtao related

[opal cove]

Its alive as long as you dont play seedslop

[orchid coyote]

As long as DX12 doesn't break the shaders

[karmic atlas]

When that DLSS patch drops we'll see what you'll say then

[orchid coyote]

[karmic atlas]

Because I ain't playing with TAA anymore

[orchid coyote]

There's also SMAA but uhhh

It's not good

[karmic atlas]

[orchid coyote]

Doesn't even seem to be working properly lol

[opal cove]

Nobody talks about smaa

[karmic atlas]

Might as well turn AA off

[opal cove]

Leave that trash behind

[karmic atlas]

Same thing

[opal cove]

[orchid coyote]

Is it supposed to be this bad?

[karmic atlas]

Yes

[opal cove]

Smaa was always this bad

[karmic atlas]

SMAA fixes a bit of stairstepping in static shots, that's about it

[orchid coyote]

Thought it should be better than TAA but then I had to change to it cause SMAA did nothing to the sharp edges

[karmic atlas]

For so long I had to contend with the 'just turn off AA in a game and use Reshade based SMAA bro'

I would toggle SMAA on/off

No difference

Same shimmerfest

This was when I first picked up a pc

[karmic atlas]

You could make the argument that SMAA is 'better' because no ghosting or blur

But the cost is shimmefest

[opal cove]

Smaa isnt good for a long time now

Unless ur in

FuckTAA land

[karmic atlas]

You have bad eyesight

Games have had shimmering forever

It's fine

Games were not blurry until 8th - 9th gen slop

[orchid coyote]

Huh?
Did the performance drop?

You would think it should be better especially when ZZZ has problems with shader compilation stutter

As DX12 builds at start

[karmic atlas]

Elden ring would like to have a word

[cedar flume]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-tanamen-gecky-incorporeal-gif-21102682

[mighty moss]

Oh yeah i forgot about that

3dmigoto doesnt support dx12 right?

[orchid coyote]

I mean, the PS5 version has HDR

[cedar flume]

they dont really care for pc

[orchid coyote]

I guess it's more like an exclusivity deal

Sony must have paid big money for their console priority

[cedar flume]

yeah because they would only do it for money

[orchid coyote]

Genshin still doesn't have 4K textures on other platforms than PS5

[orchid coyote]

same with higher LOD

ZZZ has had ray tracing since like 1.5?

[cedar flume]

I know, Genshin is the worst offender

[cedar flume]

1.4

miyabi patch

[orchid coyote]

But only on PS5
And I don't think anyone uses it as the hardware can't keep up 60fps even without ray tracing

I think it drops to like 40?

Maybe less

[karmic atlas]

Bad enough that Plebstation has no games

But we also have to suffer with features only being exclusive to that version

[cedar flume]

well thats because zzz is already badly optimized in raster

rt is even worse

[orchid coyote]

It's a good console
But the developers don't optimize games nowadays, so the hardware's too weak for 60fps

[orchid coyote]

I love being CPU limited with my R7 5800X on 1440p

Friend's 5800X3D isn't much better in 4K

[mighty moss]

7800x3d cpu bottlenecks slightly at 4k lol

Noticed some fps improvements in specific cpu heavy scenarios upgrading to 9800x3d

[orchid coyote]

When a game needs 9800X3D to not be CPU limited you know it's bad lol

[mighty moss]

Yeah and im not even on some crazy gpu like a 4090 or a 5090 so it would be worse there 😭

[orchid coyote]

I'm on a 4070Ti and it's bad

[karmic atlas]

9800X3D is the bare minimum

When the 10900X3D with 12core 1CCD comes out

The 9800X3D will become a 3600X overnight

[mighty moss]

Im on a 9070xt

[orchid coyote]

Really hope they add Framegen with the DLSS update

Extra smoothness would be great

[karmic atlas]

embrace the frameslopping

[orchid coyote]

As Lossless Scalling and Smooth Motion have big artifacts here

[karmic atlas]

@opal cove more followers for the cause

[orchid coyote]

It's better than base 60fps with almost the same input latency

But only DLSS FrameGen makes sense

Every other implementation is shit

too much artifacting

[mighty moss]

Yeah if they add fg then we get reflex too

Cant wait to force enable reflex > al2 in optiscaler without using fg to reduce latency

[orchid coyote]

Can you not already do that with Special K?

I know it supports Nvidia Reflex

[mighty moss]

Yeah you prolly can in special k as well on an nvidia gpu

[orchid coyote]

I'm already force enabling it

[mighty moss]

I dont use sk tho

[orchid coyote]

I use it for HDR and VRR framepacing

More stable than using Reshade+DisplayCommander in my case

I have no idea why but last time I tried it the game crashed every like 30-40minutes

With Special K its rock stable

[opal cove]

you can also force antilag2

its whatever

[opal cove]

im a lossless frameslopper these days

dumb adaptive frame gen is so good

nvidia needs to steal that

[opal cove]

you're getting better than base PS5 HDR with this reno mod

[karmic atlas]

What they need to do is bloody release reflex warp

Nearly end of the year

Still no reflex 2

[opal cove]

people don't appreciate what they have

until they actually played the ps5 version

[karmic atlas]

Itm

Slop

[opal cove]

no

[karmic atlas]

Aceshit

[opal cove]

its proper HDR

but its randomly clamped

[karmic atlas]

'proper'

[opal cove]

in various places

[karmic atlas]

So ass

Fantastic

[opal cove]

wipeout screen is clamped on reno? guess what
ps5 is also like that

[karmic atlas]

I've played 5 hrs of this game

I dunno what areas have problems or dont

[opal cove]

basically a lot of things that are "broken" in reno right now

is just standard ps5 hdr fare

[karmic atlas]

Snoys sandbagging us renochads

[opal cove]

i don't think you'll be picking a new gachaslop

with so many other gachaslops in the horizon

[karmic atlas]

'Soo many'

Where?

I am still waiting

I was a firm anti-weeb

I've now embraced the gatcha and weeb shit

But there's no games

Or they don't have HDR

So the same as no games

[austere void]

get cooked old man

:3

[orchid coyote]

It would be really good if not the text artifacting

[austere void]

what artefacts "?

[orchid coyote]

I need to try the PS5 HDR just to see how it compares to Special K / RenoDX

[opal cove]

Barely an inconvenience

Text artifacting is just due to game fps when u switch between menus

[orchid coyote]

When text shows up in dialog you get a mumbo jumbo flash for a split second before the next dialog appears

[opal cove]

yes

cause thats from the dogshit game

if you want to adjust that in LS

you can just

adjust the lower bound

[austere void]

true, when i cap ZZZ at 80 FPS and turn on that 2x i do not see issues

[opal cove]

increase base framerate threshold

its not LS' fault anyways

[orchid coyote]

What does that do exactly?

[opal cove]

just the game being dogshit and dropping fps inbetween menus

[orchid coyote]

Yeah it's really weird

The FPS consistency is all over the place

[opal cove]

increase interpolation threshold

LSFG already disables itself if you're 10~ fps or below

increasing this limit increases that

[orchid coyote]

I've seen drips to ~12-16fps in 0.1% lows

while switching menus

[orchid coyote]

Need to try that actually

[opal cove]

then you can try raising the threshold to 20 fps

[tacit berry]

absolutely

[tacit berry]

yea, but its kinda crap

so many things are still clamped

[mighty moss]

So dlss + rt on pc is actually gonna be real

[opal cove]

Just in time to quit this game and play endfield

[tacit berry]

yea, but rip renodx

dlss + rt or hdr
pick one

[opal cove]

Sigma

[sullen tiger]

i quit this game

[opal cove]

2little2late

[sullen tiger]

new characters are boring

no need to play anymore

🤷‍♂️

[mighty moss]

Hopefully they let u pick between running dx11/dx12 and dlss/rt is supported in dx11

But that's prolly too much wishful thinking

[opal cove]

Rt is not part of dx11 feature set bud

[mighty moss]

Damn

Well at least dlss maybe?

[mighty moss]

Nvm i realised that hsr is also dx11 and has dlss

So we should be good for dlss if zzz still has a dx11 mode

[orchid coyote]

No Framegen

[karmic atlas]

no frameslopping for you

[mighty moss]

Well if optiscaler works theres always that as an option to inject frame gen

[orchid coyote]

Can you use DLSS motion vectors to force enable DLSS Framegen?

[mighty moss]

Nope, optiscaler's fg injection is fsr 3 based

But it does use dlss/whatever upscaler's motion vectors

[orchid coyote]

Interesting

So you can enable FSR3 FG with DLSS inputs
Thought the game needed native fg support for this

Kinda nice

[opal cove]

Cope

It can happen but hsr only has a dx11 path

Not zzz

[orchid coyote]

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girlcockx · Sep 26, 2025, 3:58 PM

RTGI is here

I really do hope it won't slash FPS in half

[prime igloo]

you know it's a sick feature when you have to ask yourself what the difference even is, but your frame rate is halved

abomination of a redesign tho

[opal cove]

Yea

ZZZ default GI bake

Is already very competent

This RTGI looks pretty fucking mid just like the piss 5 vsrsion

Its not ww with dynamic time of day where the GI helps

[prime igloo]

the GI in zzz already is so cool

[dusky pagoda]

Only in DX12, XeFG is supported as well in beta opti

[mighty moss]

Yep dlss/fsr fg isnt supported in dx11

[dusky pagoda]

afaik there aren't any games on dx11 with frame gen unless you count unofficial mods (obligatory fuck puredark btw)

[mighty moss]

But well we are getting dx12 anyways with rt in the next patch

[sullen tiger]

dont think theres any dx11 game with fg

[karmic atlas]

older streamline had the ability to support DX11 NV FG

Ofc no DX11 games natively have it

[sullen tiger]

is there even a mod

[karmic atlas]

There are

PD and Doodlez

have both implemented some variation of FG into DX11 games

PD even got +2.7.0 Streamline to work so MFG is available in Skyrim

[dusky pagoda]

very neat

[karmic atlas]

I asked Pumbo if we could do the same

but it will be a bunch of work with Luma and he doesnt care that much aboiut FG

[sullen tiger]

me neither

Fg is bad

ruined gaming

[karmic atlas]

[sullen tiger]

we have games like wukong and mhws that turn on fg by default no matter what

fucking shitty devs

[opal cove]

Cuz puredark probably wraps it in dx12

[tacit berry]

dx11 doesn't support rt

[tacit berry]

[tacit berry]

it won't slash your fps in half

like it doesn't really impact performance that much on a ps5

[opal cove]

Piss 5 cant even maintain a constant 60 even with rt off tho

Dont know why theyre so stuck on native rendering

[tacit berry]

its not just the gpu that's the problem though

[opal cove]

R5 3600 shouldnt be too hard for 60 except in extreme cases

Playing on ps5 i only see brief moments of

60

Which is like wtf even when theres nothing that major going up on screen

Of course wuwa is also even worse with the native rendering bs

15fps slide show

[tacit berry]

lumina square or even the new area are probably cpu bound

my 2070 super can hold 60 at 4k native

the ps5's gpu should probably be faster

or is it? idk tbh

[opal cove]

Man

Or maybe its my friends tvs being shitty

But the frames just feel bad

Or im too used to lsfg

[tacit berry]

the ps5 version is genuinely that ass

on my 2070 super pc it feels far superior in lumina square and that one new area

hell even in combat I guess because of vrr

honestly either they gotta scale more shit down or cap it to 30fps

[mighty moss]

Its probably about the same

Series x gpu is roughly around 3060ti equivalent but ps5 is a bit cut down compared to that still

https://youtu.be/ko0SxXyS1ow

Yeah it pushes similar numbers to the 2070 super

[tacit berry]

tbh I only said that because its a dx11 game, but idk how relevant that is really

sometimes it pushes ahead when the game demands a lot of memory bandwidth

but most of the time in modern stuff it'll shit itself because it runs out of vram

[orchid coyote]

I literally tried it yesterday too

Damn

[tacit berry]

yea bro welcome to the club

[orchid coyote]

VRR doesn't even go below 48Hz for me when the game is definitely below that sometimes

It's so ass

[tacit berry]

the hdr is scuffed and it runs like ass

[orchid coyote]

Yeah

But VRR with Special K helps a lot on PC on the other hand

[tacit berry]

it does

[orchid coyote]

Small-scale fights are really smooth

[tacit berry]

like I've said that's part of the reason why its a much smoother experience on my 2070 super and 5900x

[orchid coyote]

But I also have a 4070Ti so it would be really bad if they weren't lol

[tacit berry]

the other part is because it doesn't get cpu bound in lumina square

[tacit berry]

damn yea that's going to beat a ps5 pro

[orchid coyote]

Yeah you're probably GPU bound with that GPU

[tacit berry]

yea

[orchid coyote]

I'm getting CPU bound in Lumina's Square

[tacit berry]

I have to drop to 1080p if I want a steady 60

[tacit berry]

forgot to mention I capped my frame rate to 60

[orchid coyote]

Getting 1440p@70fps stable-ish with 1.2 render scale

But it can drop slightly below 60 in heavy areas

Or sometimes go above 90

[tacit berry]

I guess the ps5 could, but the cpu is still an issue

[orchid coyote]

or 120+ in domains

[orchid coyote]

Yeah

It's interesting though as Genshin is steady 4K@60

[tacit berry]

I did drop the res in that one new area to see how well it'd run on the 5900x

[orchid coyote]

HSR too

[tacit berry]

it was at like 80-ish fps while cpu bound

[orchid coyote]

It's just that ZZZ is so heavy

[tacit berry]

wait I thought hsr ran poorly

because they target 4k native

[orchid coyote]

HSR was locked 60 for me

[tacit berry]

oh you mean on pc

[orchid coyote]

They do the same for Genshin

[orchid coyote]

No, I mean PS5

Didn't notice any framedips tbh

[tacit berry]

yea, but genshin is aight from what I saw at least

[orchid coyote]

But I also didn't play HSR on PC

[tacit berry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=336OaEgoVY4

[orchid coyote]

As the controller support was weird

[orchid coyote]

Oh yeah, I stopped at something like 2.3

It was smooth back then

[tacit berry]

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTTzyaHJB6Y

this one has the overworld

its sinking, but not as low as zzz

[orchid coyote]

So mostly 60 with drops to 40 during intense animations

[orchid coyote]

Yeah, ZZZ is pretty bad

[orchid coyote]

Probably not as noticeable due to HSR being turn-based

[tacit berry]

it was sinking in the overworld, but it seems like it was within vrr territory

[orchid coyote]

ZZZ is very fast-paced

[tacit berry]

zzz constantly falls out of vrr territory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZjY6MGI1Rw

now for genshin

[orchid coyote]

I love my 1% lows being 20fps during menu changes

[mighty moss]

Yeah, on my 9070xt at 4k 0.8 render scale and maxed settings except for mirror reflection set to medium, it barely maintains 120fps in the overworld

In combat it's more like 90-100fps most of the time but can dip to as low as 60 if it gets really heavy in specific situations

[orchid coyote]

Yeah, similar for me with 1.2 scale 1440p

[tacit berry]

ready for fsr 4?

[orchid coyote]

~110fps at best

90-100 in combat

[mighty moss]

Ofc

[tacit berry]

also tbf renodx breaks with mirror reflections set to high

[mighty moss]

Mirror reflection set to high eats a big chonk of fps as well

Sometimes I've seen like 10-15fps difference between medium and high for that

But the visual quality difference isn't really worth it for that

[orchid coyote]

Ok, ZZZ is still very good on PS5 lol

wuwa drops to 15fps on map??????

[tacit berry]

wuwa is terrible I've heard

[orchid coyote]

ZZZ is ever worse in 2.0 than before damn

I played it during launch but immediately switched to PC

Yeah that is what I remember back then

[mighty moss]

Sub 30fps in combat is crazy

[orchid coyote]

And it's with DRS

[mighty moss]

Ps5 is prolly getting cpu bottlenecked as fuck ig

[orchid coyote]

They really went and added DRS in 2.0 and it still drops below 30

[mighty moss]

Those zen 2 cores are not keeping up

[orchid coyote]

Seeing as ZZZ is extremely single-threaded then you bet it is

[mighty moss]

If only sony/ms waited a year to put a zen 3 cpu in their consoles at least

Would have aged quite a bit better over time I'd imagine

[austere void]

guys can some one help me set up SK HDR ? XD

[orchid coyote]

1. Enable HDR
2. Enable 8/10bit pipeline remastering + check Keep 8bit UNORM
3. It's working

It's that easy

The most difficult part is installing Special K itself

[austere void]

Oh ok :3

[quiet moth]

is the last version from 4 months ago ?

[mighty moss]

Yeah it hasn't been updated since 2.0

[quiet moth]

Thank god I don't pull mid characters like Seed or Orphie&Magus 😌

[opal cove]

Only seed is broken

Orphie and magus is fine

[orchid coyote]

Yeah it won't work at all in a few days

[prime igloo]

🫡

[orchid coyote]

But we're getting DLAA!!

[prime igloo]

here I made this god awful meme to celebrate

300 fps here I come

[orchid coyote]

DLSS won't do much in this game

Most of the time you're CPU bound rather than GPU

[prime igloo]

really? I don't have that experience at all

[mighty moss]

I mean even if it doesnt improve performance much, having an aa solution that isnt hot garbage will certainly help with the visuals

[orchid coyote]

I mean won't do much for performance*

I'll personally be probably using it for the better AA

[orchid coyote]

What's your setup?

[prime igloo]

I'm a certified TAA hater, DLSS at faster settings is still better or equal to TAA. gonna be a straight up upgrade in every way

5800X3D with RTX 3080

very sad how there has been no new GPUs released since the 30 series 😔

[mighty moss]

Im mostly gpu bound but thats because im on a 9800x3d playing at 4k (0.8 render scale) on a 9070xt lol
But yeah even in that scenario there are still cpu bottlenecks sometimes (not too often but they do exist)

[prime igloo]

the way loading spikes the CPU is crazy

I love the laggy-ass loading bangboo

[orchid coyote]

It's correct for the 5xxx series but a 4070 has 3090 performance with half of the power and lower temps

It's definitely an upgrade

[prime igloo]

true it would be nice to upgrade for better efficiency. this thing is so loud

[orchid coyote]

VRAM is another beast but pure performance-wise the 4xxx series is really good

5xxx on the other hand only brings a cost cut and nothing more basically

[orchid coyote]

I got a 4070Ti from PNY and damn it's silent even under load lol

Only gets audible over 70C, and loud over 80C

This was the main reason I didn't get a 3090 tbh

[mighty moss]

Mfg and buggier drivers 😻

[orchid coyote]

As they require undervolting to even function normally

[orchid coyote]

400W peak looking ass

[tacit berry]

might give you enough headroom to enable ray tracing

[cedar flume]

even more cpu load, the game is gonna explode

[prime igloo]

I'm surprised their system renovations blog posts don't talk about DLSS or ray tracing. I wonder if they're just testing it but not releasing it yet. I think it was plenty announced when HSR got it

[tacit berry]

can't be that bad

[austere void]

what do you mean it won’t ? cutting half of my resolution with DLSS should work better

[cedar flume]

dont mess with the zzz devs.....

[mighty moss]

https://hoyo.link/zGTcVM8lB

No mention of dlss or rt on the actual update changelog either

Is it not happening then?

[prime igloo]

I guess not yet

[strong tide]

DLSS/RT is locked behind the D3D12 renderer, which is not used by default yet

[mighty moss]

Oh

So both dx11 and dx12 modes are available simultaneously then

But no dlss in dx11 mode?

🥀

[strong tide]

correct

no DLSS in D3D11

3dmigoto users destroyed

[mighty moss]

[strong tide]

fyi i'll drop D3D11 support

for the renodx mod as well

unless the shaders happen to be shared across D3D11/D3D12 (which i find it unlikely)

[mighty moss]

I assume dx12 doesn't work for the renodx mod currently right?

[strong tide]

unknown

can't tell from the title screen

and game is still in maintenance

i'll need to check in-game when servers are up

probably turbo dead though

[mighty moss]

[strong tide]

I also don't know what is the state of d3d11

[mighty moss]

Well I hope there's another way without using 3dmigoto to hide uid on bottom right corner so that shit doesn't burn in on my oled

Trying to use REST do that failed miserably

I'm prolly too dumb to use it correctly or smth idk

[feral gulch]

If we find the shader that draws it, could add a toggle to hide it in RenoDX.

But also realistically its unlikely to burn in unless you’ve got it blasting full brightness all day everyday

[mighty moss]

Yeah no fsr as expected, but wtf did they block ray tracing for non nvidia gpus too?

💀

I wonder if the dlss/rt stuff will show up if i can get optiscaler working lol

[mighty moss]

Well its a static element thats always there whenever ur playing the game like 99% of the time so not very healthy for an oled i think

[opal cove]

I'll be home from grocery when the patch finishes

Prob will check but i mean we're dropping d3d11 if thw shaders r not overlapping so

[mighty moss]

Yeah it does lmao (also there seems to be reflex support since optiscaler + fakenvapi able to hook into it to load al2?)

Lets see what happens when server goes live

[strong tide]

I explained this already

The game uses a generic shader to draw the UI

if i stopped that shader from rendering on renodx

it would literally stop rendering the entire UI

anyway uh i have some very bad news

looks like every shader changed on d3d11

[opal cove]

Lol

I mean

Goodbye anyways

D3d12 using sm6 tho?

[strong tide]

wait not every shader, looks like some of the uberposts still work, but the lutbuilder is

[strong tide]

it is

D3D12 and D3D11 are an entirely different set of shaders

[opal cove]

Double goodbye

Get cooked gooners

[mighty moss]

[strong tide]

oh this is going to be painful

shaders on SM6 have different names

and i can't get SRVs to show

[strong tide]

ok nvm i got that working

[opal cove]

servers up early

[mighty moss]

Not for eu server at least

[opal cove]

its not up but i made you check

https://tenor.com/view/fortnite-gif-4169442390448293969

[mighty moss]

😭

[opal cove]

We're in.

[mighty moss]

Finally

Yeah current renodx build is rip even on dx11

[mighty moss]

Cooked

Does dlss work fine for anyone who has an nvidia gpu here tho

[opal cove]

works fine for me

[prime igloo]

oh so dlss works with optiscaler?

[tacit berry]

nooooooo

[tacit berry]

spyware is probably not using opti

[mighty moss]

I did get it working but only with fsr 2.2

Both fsr 4 and xess are brokey

Well thats a shame but hey its still better than taa ig

[idle rampart]

the game only provides dlss ? no fsr?

[tacit berry]

yep

[mighty moss]

Yeah only dlss

[idle rampart]

damn another AMD hater after wuwa

[tacit berry]

and the fucked up thing too is its only avaliable under dx12

even though dlss supports dx11

[idle rampart]

and fsr4 dont even work... wtf man

[tacit berry]

with fsr at least they'd have the excuse of no dx12 support kinda

[idle rampart]

wdym no dx12 support?

[tacit berry]

fsr 2 doesn't support dx12

11

my bad

[idle rampart]

fsr2 in 2025

[tacit berry]

I meant dx11

[mighty moss]

Nah wuwa has native fsr 3.1/4 support

[idle rampart]

not fsr4, they dont

u have to override it

[mighty moss]

Nah they do since a recent patch

I have a friend who plays wuwa on 9070xt and he gets fsr 4 natively without any workaround

[idle rampart]

im pretty sure thats fsr3?

in game

not driver override

and it doesnt have RT for the most RT capable AMD card, genius move too

[mighty moss]

Thats the screenshot from my friend

Native fsr 4 upgrade from the driver working after you enable fsr 3.1 in game

[idle rampart]

yea ik, thats what i meant

[mighty moss]

Yeah apparently they are working on adding rt support for rx 9000 series

[idle rampart]

yea i tried to force it, it didnt work, just rainbow texture everywhere lol (it was working last patch btw)

[mighty moss]

FSR 3.1.5 also works on optiscaler

[idle rampart]

fsr4?

[mighty moss]

No

[idle rampart]

💀

[mighty moss]

Im gonna try the int8 version of fsr4 and see if that works, thats the last resort ig

Nope still fucked

[tacit berry]

yea this sucks

the shader stutter is terrible

[mighty moss]

Oh wait there are newer optiscaler builds on their discord

[tacit berry]

despite them adding a shader burn

[mighty moss]

Lemme give those a try

[opal cove]

@idle rampart

off/on

check the shelf at the left

low/medium/high wont make a diff in this bc the only diff is resolution

[mighty moss]

Ok yep fsr 4 works with the latest test build + non linear srgb input

[idle rampart]

it is indeed very subtle

[mighty moss]

Although xess is still broken

[tacit berry]

it'll be more obvious at lower dlss resolutions

[opal cove]

RT low, 4K DLSS, XessFG

68%

[mighty moss]

Btw there does seem to be nvidia reflex in this game since fakenvapi is able to hijack it to inject anti lag 2 calls

Anti lag 2 overlay comes up and all as well, and holding down right ctrl does show a noteable difference in green latency number

But anti lag 2 frame limiter doesnt work

Ok wow rt high is fucking brutal in its perf overhead

On a 9070xt it more than halves your fps compared to rt off

[idle rampart]

4k?

[mighty moss]

Yeah its 4k with "dlss prioritise graphics quality" preset (actually fsr4)

[idle rampart]

1.3 scaling?

[mighty moss]

Optiscaler says its 1.4

Rt low has a lot less perf overhead thankfully

Huh rt medium is basically as heavy as rt high

Yeah ill stick with rt low then

Looks close enough to rt high but runs way better

Hmm with optiscaler the in game dlss presets do nothing, all of them are 1.4 scale ratio

And even trying to force a custom scale ratio its still stuck at 1.4

[tacit berry]

I think rt high is full res

hence why its so much more demanding

[tacit berry]

and yep

[tacit berry]

do keep that in mind if you decide to use lower internal resolutions

[opal cove]

there's no 1.3 scaling

1.4 no matter what dlss you use

[tacit berry]

haha right you can't go lower anyway

[opal cove]

did it stop stuttering for you now

[tacit berry]

I hopped off

I played it for like 10 minutes

I'm probably just going to stick with 11

[dusky pagoda]

fsr 2.1 has the useless cool quirk of looking semi-presentable at insane ratios like 4x+ compared to fsr 3 being unusable

can't wait to have to render at 240p to make RT playable on an A750

[dusky pagoda]

ah nvm, it the dlss presets worked in hsr with opti so I got too hopeful

[mighty moss]

Yeah youre kinda cooked with xess not working in this game on optiscaler

Oh well there is fsr4 int8 instead

[dusky pagoda]

fsr4 int8 takes like 5ms at 1440p lmao

[mighty moss]

[mighty moss]

Seems to not have too much overhead on battlemage tho, is it really that much worse on alchemist?
https://www.reddit.com/r/IntelArc/comments/1nixq8d/fsr_4_running_on_b580/

[dusky pagoda]

I get around the same cost at 1080p

It pretty much scales linearly with resolution though

I'd assume that's why people have luck with it on handhelds with low res screens but I'm just guessing

[opal cove]

using fsr4 int 8

266p -> 800p

works fine

igpu

better than fizzle 2

or fizzle 3

[dusky pagoda]

the disocclusion of fsr annoys me so much

How much work is it to add HDR10 PQ output instead of scRGB to a RenoDX mod? I'm reminded of the completely different fizzle FSR framegen has and XeFG/DLSS-G doesn't work with scRGB

[mighty moss]

@dusky pagoda this fresh optiscaler test build from their discord server fixes xess

[dusky pagoda]

oh neat, is that just the most recent test build? I've already been using it for xefg in other games

[mighty moss]

No its a newer build than that

[dusky pagoda]

wait how did you get that then

[mighty moss]

Like i said its from their discord

#1005863090044284938 message

[dusky pagoda]

ah I see that's very recent lol

thanks I'll try it out tomorrow

[prisma dome]

Is there a reason why this happens? I don't get why the game's rendering can change from patch to patch, outside of super-major patches like 2.0.

[flat ravine]

Is your game stuttering too?

With dx12

[prisma dome]

Also... how do I swap to DX12?

[mighty moss]

Uhh this one was pretty major too on the technical side

Adding dx12 mode for dlss and rt

Yeah

[prisma dome]

But all the techincal stuff came on the DX12 side. So, why did the DX11 shaders change?

[mighty moss]

Yeah there's some mad shader compliation stutter that takes a bit of time to settle out

[prisma dome]

Granted, I'm no game designer. I'm just trying to add 2 & 2 to get 4, so to speak.

[dusky pagoda]

I hate that it actually looks good, HSR with DLSS (and by extension opti conversion) at anything but native looks melted

[flat ravine]

My game is just stuttering continuously whenever i move the camera or move

Restarted 5-6 times but no good

[prisma dome]

Guess I'll learn how to install SK until the Reno mod gets updated.

[prisma dome]

There doesn't seem to be a way to force DX12 while running SpecialK. I can only do DX12 with Reshade.

Moreover, DX12 disables all mods.

[mighty moss]

Special k supports dx12 so thats weird

[mighty moss]

Yeah 3dmigoto (and by extension zzmi/xxmi) only has dx11 support unfortunately

So mods that use those (pretty much all of them) are cooked for dx12

[prisma dome]

Indeed. But I could live with all the character mods I used being cooked; it's the 32:9 ultrawide mod that is the most important to me.

[prisma dome]

Indeed. I think it's because the only way to currently enable DX12 is to do so through a modification of the game's shortcut, rather than through the game's launcher via it's own exe. So, the injector doesn't see it.

[strong tide]

It happens because something on the game changed lol

note that MiHoYo doesn't have to exactly change a shader to break it

there is a global cbuffer with a bunch of variables

if mihoyo adds or removes a field there

literally every shader will break

(or well, most shaders will break, since most shaders use that global cbuffer)

and fyi, while most changes were made for Direct3D12, doesn't mean that Direct3D11 isn't affected

the majority of shaders are built for all platforms

so if mihoyo changes something for Direct3D12, it will replicate on Direct3D11 as well

point being, if they touch literally anything graphics related, it might break the mod

[prisma dome]

Noted.

With all that said... I would like to make a request that you don't drop DX11 support. With HoYo not even letting you choose the version you can use at will in an easy way, it's safe to say it's not ready for primetime. DLSS doesn't use the most recent model, either (found out when using DLSS Swapper). It'll probably need a driver update from Nvidia. Plus, all the mod support being for the DX11 version - including QOL stuff that some of us might find essential - is kinda forcing that version to be the better build atm.

[strong tide]

not happening.

Unless someone else is willing to take over updating the mod, i will not support both Direct3D11 and Direct3D12.

I no longer play this game and while i'm willing to keep it up to date, supporting both APIs would require updating the mod twice

there's zero overlap between the shaders used in Direct3D11 and Direct3D12

Unity rebuilds the shaders for Shader Model 6 when running in Direct3D12 (Direct3D11 uses Shader Model 5)

first is the Shader in Direct3D11

second in Direct3D12

they are very different

supporting both versions is like making the mod for two different games almost.

[prisma dome]

So then, why not exclusively stick with the version with more universal compatibility, which is DX11? Because not all the DX12 stuff is ready for all the people who can use it anyways, like FSR & whatnot. And the RT features don't seem much more impressive or performative than what you can do with RTGI in Reshade.

I at least think that would be the best way to go about it until DX12 has more time in the oven. It also wouldn't force people to choose between playing in HDR & breaking the rest of their mods. Just my two cents, that's all.

[mighty moss]

FSR 4 works fine for me through optiscaler at least

[idle rampart]

The game also compiles shader while playing, just give it more time

[mighty moss]

Yeah the first day after a new patch or gpu driver update theres gonna be shader compilation stutter everywhere

But once u play enough those will go away eventually

[prisma dome]

Average ZZZ experience tbh.

I'm on a 7950X3D & 4090. 64GB RAM. No shortage of memory anywhere; still a bit of a stuttery mess.

[flat ravine]

gave 20+ mins lol but it always stutters when moving camera badly like the frame time graph is a mess

restarted 10+ times i need to reinstall maybe

[idle rampart]

Yea, just play wuwa

[flat ravine]

[strong tide]

So, i'm in a bit of an awkward position right now.

Truthfully speaking, the only reason i'm updating this mod right now is because some of my friends still play this game (like @opal cove) and they wanted to use the DX12 features like RT lol, if it weren't for them, i would mark this mod as abandoned and move on, because i really don't feel like working on it.

The reason this mod wasn't on the official github for RenoDX and was distributed on Discord, is because i wasn't really sure if i wanted to commit to it long term, so i threw it here, just in case people wanted to use it.

I do empathize with your request however, i'll see if i can update DX11 (and DX11 doesn't look completly broken so it might be salvageable)

[prime igloo]

tbf we also have no official word on if/when dx12 will ever be the default

[strong tide]

truthfully i don't really care what the default is.

[flat ravine]

1 more attempt then i reinstall

[mighty moss]

Dx12 becoming the default is probably an inevitability

Theyre not just taking their time adding in dlss and rt for fun lol

[strong tide]

I'm not paid to work on this, i'm doing this for fun and for my friends pretty much.

[mighty moss]

Tbh if it ever does get too much for you to keep updating this mod you should consider accepting donations if it helps, personally I wouldnt mind donating a bit here and there to help motivate you in keeping this mod alive (and maybe some others here feel the same way too)

[strong tide]

oh it looks like most of the uberposts by a miracle didn't break on direct3d11

[strong tide]

I appreciate the offer but i can't really accept donations for this.

it would cause issues with my actual job if i did

[mighty moss]

Ah right then fair enough

[strong tide]

ok since Direct3D11 seems to be mostly working

that has early Direct3D12 support, may do bad things there.

[mighty moss]

Would you recommend running dx11 or dx12 mode for that one?

[strong tide]

Direct3D11

[mighty moss]

Ok

[strong tide]

oh yeah i updated the mod to run with latest reshade

so you'll probably need to update reshade

adding Direct3D12 support forced me to change how upgrades work so this may introduce new issues on Direct3D11 (but hopefully not)

[mighty moss]

Yeah in dx12 mode there is some noticeable artificing towards the bottom part of the screen

Other than that it does seem to work so far from a quick glance

Dx11 mode looks good tho

[strong tide]

🤔
doesn't happen on my end?

i'll take a look on that later

meanwhile i found an issue with DX11 (and fixed it)

Fixed clamping caused by bloom shader on Direct3D11

[mighty moss]

Oh and also the wallpapers in the pause menu are completely missing hdr in dx12

[strong tide]

yeah i didn't have the time to hunt for the bajillion ubershader permutations on dx12

i spent most of the time fixing issues on the SM6 decompiler so i could decompile the DX12 shaders

lol

[mighty moss]

Character details screen highlights are clipped in dx11

Same for the team selection screen too

[flat ravine]

Alice looking different

[mighty moss]

Also holy shit the sig wengine lighting effects are so much brighter than before

Are they actually supposed to be that bright or nah

[mighty moss]

In dx12 mode both of those screens dont have any hdr at all

[mighty moss]

In dx12 theyre not quite as bright but still brighter than previous renodx versions in earlier patches

Hmm

[flat ravine]

Looks tooo bright

[idle rampart]

how did u get optiscaler working eh?

mine wont work

[mighty moss]

I recommend using this optiscaler .dll from their discord along with the latest test build also from their discord (make sure to disable log files in optiscaler.ini)
#1005863090044284938 message

For installation pick dbghelp.dll as the file name

Also if you want to use fsr 3.1/4, enable non-linear srgb toggle in optiscaler settings

[cedar flume]

I only lost something like 10 fps from rt and gained them back with dlss

It is surprisingly smooth considering how dx11 was

[idle rampart]

not working for me, weird
optiscaler UI never show up

[mighty moss]

You are using the dx12 mode right?

[idle rampart]

yea
-use-d3d12

[mighty moss]

Idk then you must be installing it wrong or something

Installation instructions should be the same as usual apart from what i mentioned

Copy files to game folder (although replace the optiscaler.dll with the one i linked)
Run install .bat
Select that installation file name i mentioned
Should be properly installed that way

[idle rampart]

i got it working

bruh

[cedar flume]

aint no way I only got 2 manatos with 160 pulls

f this game

[mighty moss]

Cooked

I got 2 copies of him on my 4th 10 pull

[cedar flume]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-cat-meme-meme-meme-cat-gif-14470917232397934693

ofc on the weapon banner i get 4 of his wengine in 1 10 pull, wtfff

[prisma dome]

Thank you, and I appreciate your response. Very understandable & I greatly appreciate you being willing to still work on this.

[opal cove]

https://tenor.com/view/wide-vladimir-putin-russian-walking-gif-17506944

[prisma dome]

Honestly, this is why I hope someone works on a DX12 solution for modding the game. It's possible that ZZZ's devs sunset DX11 entirely one day, as some devs have done with older DirectX variants in other games (like Square Enix sunsetting the DX9 version of XIV iirc). It would suck if all those mods went poof.

[opal cove]

Will check later tonight

[prisma dome]

||It's times like these that I wish I knew how to code, but idk where to even start on that tbh.||

[tacit berry]

renodx discord

I think there was a few people here who made mods with no experience

[sullen tiger]

steve i guess

he never wrote any code before his first mod

[tacit berry]

I forgot his name

[sullen tiger]

@polar notch

[tacit berry]

but the guy who made the mod for opus echo of starsong too had no experience iirc

[sullen tiger]

thats a different person

i dont remember who either

[tacit berry]

yea

[polar notch]

yeah adding hdr to sdr games is easy depending on the game, the framework carries most of the work

[karmic atlas]

The problem is that low level API are a nth times harder to work with than high level ones like OGL, DX9 or DX11

I have constantly heard the remake of ' I dont want to deal with DX12' when it comes to a game

[karmic atlas]

Start with learning a regular programming language to pick up on the principles

then at the same time look into shader programming e.g HLSL

https://learnopengl.com/

https://developer.nvidia.com/gpugems/gpugems/contributors

https://pbr-book.org/4ed/contents

Thats what I am doing anyways

I studied CS at school as one of my subjects but found it borning as.

Now I have to do catch up on everything

AIslop also helps

To give explanations and break downs of what is happening. Just dont except it to vibe code the entirety of a reno addon or modify shaders to implement pathtracing in for you. There are way to many variables and context that it doesnt understand

[prisma dome]

What's the difference between low level & high level API?

Actually nvmd, just googled it.

[orchid coyote]

Dayum, you got there fast

[strong tide]

It's because DX11 wasn't as broken as i thought it was, i just couldn't read apparently

[orchid coyote]

I understand there will be a DX12 version ready later on but you need more time?

[strong tide]

I plan on prioritizing DX12 yes

[orchid coyote]

Makes sense, there's more stuff to do with DX12 probably as they are whole new shaders

[opal cove]

@strong tide

do you get this occasionally?

when I launch ZZZ, inject64 tries to hook on even when the game is not launched yet (only a UAC prompt showed up)

[strong tide]

when the UAC prompt happens, the process already exists but you are not allowed to touch it

you have to always open inject64 before opening the game

[opal cove]

yeah, I open inject64 -> waiting for process -> open game -> UAC -> inject64 hooks into something when the UAC prompt is still on

then it doesnt hook into the actual game

Also, the game is crashing with the mod if you have DLSS enabled

do I provide logs for this

[strong tide]

is it?

i made the mod with DLSS on lmao

[opal cove]

damn wtf lol

[strong tide]

ah yeah that happens some times.

[opal cove]

did you try with RT on

[strong tide]

no

[strong tide]

you can avoid that

by doing the galaxy brain shit

[opal cove]

I guess the lights are broken with RT on 😭

[opal cove]

whats the secret shifu

[strong tide]

write powershell

Start-Process "C:\ProgramData\ReShade\inject.exe" -ArgumentList "X6Game-Win64-Shipping.exe" -WorkingDirectory "C:\ProgramData\ReShade" -Verb RunAs
Start-Process -Wait "D:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Infinity Nikki\launcher.exe" -Verb open

save that as a ps1 script

then use ps2exe to convert that into a standalone exe that requests UAC elevation

so you only get one UAC prompt in total, the one to run the script

[opal cove]

[strong tide]

Invoke-ps2exe -inputFile <script.ps1> -x64 -noConsole -requireAdmin

https://github.com/MScholtes/PS2EXE

[opal cove]

I'll send you the logs for the dlss crash

something related to when 0xb0f35d3c gets replaced i guess

im not sure what to do about the RT issue, would it affect if i start dumping uberposts now

[strong tide]

huh the GPU is just crashing

that shit doesn't happen with me tho

🤔

[strong tide]

i have no clue

[opal cove]

😢

[opal cove]

@austere void test the latest addon and let me know if you crash with DLSS enabled

[feral gulch]

I'm getting the DLSS GPU crashes too (ReShade log just says device hung). Using ShortFuse's DLSS fix addon prevented the crashing but causes the UI + loading screens to look washed out and flicker. I'm on ReShade 6.6.1 and NVIDIA driver 581.29 fwiw

[austere void]

won’t i have to use SK to get DLSS on? cuz i give it up trying to get DLSS on in ZZZ once i heard i need SK for it >.>

and Reno + SK has had issues for me in ZZZ

if there is another method to get DLSS in ZZZ i will test the addon with DLSS

[opal cove]

?

you need to get d3d12 to get dlss on

whats the talk about SK here

?

[opal cove]

Can confirm this works

but yeah, causes the UI to become borked

[austere void]

i mean it was mention in brandy discord to use this command -use-d3d12 in SK to get ZZZ to use DX12, apart from that i don’t know what other method to get dx12 in ZZZ

[opal cove]

create a shortcut

add -use-d3d12 as an argument for it

have you never done that before

[idle rampart]

u create a shortcut for it, who says anything about SK

💀

[opal cove]

nobody said anything about SK

[austere void]

it was mention wanna
e to get pics from brandy discord?

[idle rampart]

im sure it was about smtg else

[austere void]

i guess some one did try with SK to use that command agrument

[austere void]

ok, so i create the shortcut :3 what next?

[idle rampart]

read spiwar message earlier

[austere void]

where do i add -use-d3d12?

[feral gulch]

add it to the end of target outside of the quotation marks

[austere void]

hm, i did try this

and it ever worked

[opal cove]

type it

correctly

[idle rampart]

my dumbass hand typed it --use-d3d12 last time

[austere void]

ok will make sure is typed correctly, :3

[austere void]

yap, i can't run Reshade+ Reno in Dx12, it works ofc on Dx11 and ZZZ can run in DX12 without Reno

it just crashes when it finish loading

[opal cove]

turn off dlss

[austere void]

yeah it works without DLSS

ok so without DLSS, and RT, is there a advantage to run ZZZ in DX12?

[flat ravine]

🙅

[mighty moss]

Nah performance is barely in the scope of margin of error between dx11 and dx12 with dlss and rt off

In my experience

May as well stick with dx11 if not using those features

[flat ravine]

Is DX12 stable in cities for u? No excessive stuttering i mean

[mighty moss]

After you give it a bit of time to compile the shaders yeah

[flat ravine]

Damn my game is broken then

[orchid coyote]

I really wonder why they didn't add pre-compiling of shaders

It's already there on Android

[austere void]

isn’t that what they do in dx11? cuz DX12 is not officially out

they do shaders compiling when you start the game on dx11 from what i remember

[prime igloo]

I get almost half the fps on dx12 vs dx11, and heavy stuttering when moving around. def something wrong with it

and I'm pretty sure I saw precompilation in the start menu on both

[austere void]

yeah, thats what happens when you forced dx12 since it’s no officially supported

i doubt it will drop FPS THAT much when they officially launch dx12 and DLSS……hopefully 0.0

[cedar flume]

they did, it doesnt do a lot tho

[opal cove]

Precompilation doesnt catch everything on android either

Shaders on android just compiles faster in game so you notice less stutters vs this

[tacit berry]

it happens, but not all the time

regardless I'm on team dx11

[opal cove]

didn't get it working on dix12?

[tacit berry]

it works, but I just don't want to deal with the problems

[opal cove]

understandable

dix12 RT is also broken right now with reno for some reason #1330764788711555166 message

[opal cove]

Start-Process -Wait "<zzz launcher>" -Verb open```
right?

oh wait how do you get the -use-d3d12 args then

nvm

got it

Start-Process -Wait "<zzz exe>" -ArgumentList "-use-d3d12" -Verb open```

[strong tide]

i don't have her or her signature so uh that's fun but i think i know what's going on, i think this is supposed to be this bright

in order to get DX12 working, i had to change how RGBA8_UNORM upgrades work, previously i only upgraded some whitelisted shaders to RGBA16_FLOAT, but that approach wouldn't work on DX12 thanks to boring tech reasons that i don't feel like explaining

so i'm now upgrading any RGBA8_UNORM textures that match the aspect ratio of the backbuffer (so basically anything that has your aspect ratio lol)

this was required because of how DLSS works

[mighty moss]

I think you should be able to try her with her sig effects in the vr training mode

[strong tide]

i don't think this is a bug

[mighty moss]

Hmm

[strong tide]

but now we upgrade a lot more to HDR

and this means we now get to recover HDR highlighs that were previously capped.

[strong tide]

i didn't do this before because it caused issues with NaNs in some levels with some characters but mihoyo must have fixed it or something

because it's no longer happening

[strong tide]

this also has the side effect of fixing a bunch of other things that were previously clamped

like dialogs with 0.8 resolution scale

point being, we're just extracting more HDR out of the game now compared to the previous versions

the only reason that thing in particular looks odd is because the lighting on the game is quite muted

so it kinda clashes a little bit with the rest of the scene

but this is not exactly a bug

it's just that in previous versions, those highlights were capped to SDR because i never added their shader to the RGBA8_UNORM upgrade list

they are now uncapped

wait hold on

i think i know why the DLSS stuff is crashing

@opal cove

are you using inject64 to inject ReShade?

try installing reshade as d3d12.dll

it should work (it works on my end)

[opal cove]

Ok will try

[strong tide]

oh

i removed optiscaler

and i'm crashing now with DLSS

well shit LOL

[opal cove]

Wtf LOL

I was getting black screen WITH optiscaler

[strong tide]

use optiscaler

to inject reshade

put ReShade64.dll on the game's folder

and set LoadReshade to true

on OptiScaler.ini

OptiScaler should chainload ReShade in a safe way

if you do inject64 + OptiScaler stuff will explode

guaranteed to get a race condition somewhere lol

[mighty moss]

RT works fine for me with reno

But i seem to be the only one here getting the flickering artifacts on the bottom on my screen in dx12 mode whether i have rt on/off or "dlss" on/off

Is that just an amd thing or what

[strong tide]

oh you are using OptiScaler to translate DLSS to FSR/XeSS?

i didn't try that

but native DLSS had no issues like that

[mighty moss]

Yeah im using optiscaler to translate dlss into fsr4

But i also tried xess and fsr 2/3 as well and same thing

[strong tide]

the RT thing will probably have to be fixed by dlssfix then

shortfuse said he would look into that eventually

for now use optiscaler lol

[opal cove]

Latest build?

[mighty moss]

Yep

[opal cove]

Very weird

Home in 15m anyways will chevk

[strong tide]

wait huh

i'm also encountering RT issues

with OptiScaler

[mighty moss]

Havent seen that issue on my end

[strong tide]

oh

[opal cove]

How is it only nvidia users getting issue

Lol

[opal cove]

Setting screen

Every setting you set

It might be something u set diff from us

[mighty moss]

Basically every setting max except high precision character disabled, motion blur disabled and colour filter strength 0

[opal cove]

I wonder if its something random like the game forcing ray reconstruction on with nvidia

[mighty moss]

Optiscaler is spoofing my amd card as an nvidia anyways to even get the rt stuff to show up and work so thats weird lol

[opal cove]

I mean ur spoofed

But RR wont run for you

[mighty moss]

Yeah ig

Also i found out that the rt perf hit in this game is way higher on my 9070xt compared to a friend who has a 5070ti

He tried the same settings i have with rt high and basically getting double the fps

[opal cove]

Yeah rt is playable for me even with no dlss

4070 ti super

[mighty moss]

In other games with non path tracing rt, rt performance are usually quite close between both cards so the disparity here is quite surprising

Maybe there really is a reason why rt is officially locked to nvidia for now

[strong tide]

no

i think i know what it is

NvApi SER supported.Bind Nv shader ext to slot0 space2[streamline] error: Result::eErrorFeatureMissing

i see this when i try runing ZZZ in DX12 on player.log