✅RenoDX: Zenless Zone Zero

[orchid coyote]

Why can't they implement DLSS/DLAA

[karmic atlas]

DLSS has made every other AA outside of giga SSAA look bad

Metaphor

I need to use DLDSR 6K + 200% render scale

But I am not playing a PS3 tech game at 40FPS

Luckily the OST, gameplay and story are 10/10 for me so I can cope with the bad aliasing and shimmerfest

[mighty moss]

They coulda added a sharpness slider for taa at the very least...

[karmic atlas]

Rather they didnt

Especially if it's going to be NIS

CAS good

But all these other sharpeners are bad

[orchid coyote]

Tbh I prefer SMAA due to the TAA blur

[mighty moss]

Smaa jaggies vs taa blur

Pick ur poison

[opal cove]

TAA has tons of jaggies as well

SMAA is just terrible

Add your own sharpening

Use RCAS

Actually zzz has a cheat mod that has dlss

:icant:

[mighty moss]

💀

[mighty moss]

If only that didnt affect ui too

[opal cove]

Just use the rcas / cas mod...?

[mighty moss]

Rcas affects the ui too thats what i was saying

[opal cove]

Just use the rcas / cas mod...?

[mighty moss]

Idk what else to say

[opal cove]

Did i say cas shader

[mighty moss]

Isnt that the way to use rcas in a game that doesnt have it

[opal cove]

But why would you use that when theres already a mod for cas?

[mighty moss]

Oh there is?

[opal cove]

google it

[mighty moss]

https://gamebanana.com/mods/579753

This?

[opal cove]

yea

[mighty moss]

People are saying its broken in 2.0 tho

In the comments

[opal cove]

people say the FSR mod is broken in 2.0 too

:icant:

download it and check for yourself

[mighty moss]

Oh

Yea the fsr mod does work actually wtf

[karmic atlas]

Bich wat? Gib

[opal cove]

it's partially broken

[karmic atlas]

Inb4 FSR1

[opal cove]

else I would already be using it

[opal cove]

yea, don't trust user comments

90% of it is always user error

[karmic atlas]

Average Nexuoid

[mighty moss]

Cas mod works too except it breaks renodx hdr 😦

[opal cove]

then just use fsr

free performance

and what do you mean by breaking

[mighty moss]

Highlights get clamped to sdr brightness

[opal cove]

ah yeah then just use FSR then

[mighty moss]

Yea

Until dlss or whatever is a thing, 0.8 render scale and fsr mod will have to cope ig

[opal cove]

donate to the hackers so they get dlss functioning

:icant:

[mighty moss]

Wouldnt you just get banned using that tho

Or no

[opal cove]

As long as you don't use the actual cheats

[mighty moss]

Hmm

[orchid coyote]

Wait what
There's an FSR mod?

But I guess FSR1?

Can you apply that to 100% scale to just sharpen the image?

[mighty moss]

Yes its fsr1

Basically yea just use it as a sharpnening filter for taa

[orchid coyote]

SMAA has its jaggies on the borders/edges

So maybe TAA + filter would be better

[orchid coyote]

I need to check it for RTX HDR

Or maybe Apply DLDSR 1.78x with 0.8x render scale?

Does anyone know how to make DLDSR work in this game?

I can't see the additional resolutions

[karmic atlas]

Doing zilch for shader / material authored shimmering

[karmic atlas]

SK

Then set your res in SK menu to the DLDSR res

[olive moat]

does anyone here know by chance how to fix this deepfriedness with reshade loaded via specialk and this renodx mod?

[orchid coyote]

Switch to scRGB

[olive moat]

deepfries it just as much

actually a touch less if that matters

[tacit berry]

zzz stutters a lot for me

the game just never quite feels smooth

[olive moat]

is it on an ssd or hdd? I had this issue on an hdd

[orchid coyote]

It's a game issue

Something is broken in engine

It stutters for me on an NVMe SSD even

[olive moat]

I see

[mighty moss]

Its cause the game compiles shader cache in the background while youre playing

[olive moat]

Only issue I have now is hdr mods just not working but that sure isn't a game issue

[olive moat]

is it ue5 or what

[orchid coyote]

Unity 2018

[mighty moss]

Instead of precompiling shader cache before entering game

[orchid coyote]

Or 2020

[olive moat]

Wild

I've only ever seen ue do that

[orchid coyote]

Yeah, HSR or Genshin don't have this issue
But then Genshin also has LQ textures and low render distance/LOD cause PS Exclusivity deal lol

[mighty moss]

Its always at its worst right after a game or gpu driver update

[orchid coyote]

Actually did someone try dxvk here?

[opal cove]

Game stutters bc u leave the temple running

Jank netcode means everytime you receive shit into your temple it will stutter

Any game mode that updates your char position in real time will also do that

🙂

[tacit berry]

ssd

[cedar flume]

it stutters even if you pass the same area 30 times, this game especially with the new area is super stuttery, probably because its super cpu heavy for some goddamn reason

also yeah precompiling shader before would be nice, but after all these patches I have lost hope

[orchid coyote]

I wonder why does it use 90% CPU on the login screen lol

And....then less after the login before the game start

?????

[obsidian vault]

Hey guys, I wanted to ask how I should go about getting reshade setup in this game? Should I just go through the reshade installer as usual using direct x 11 api?

[orchid coyote]

Won't work

Setup Special K as usual

Launch via Special K launcher

Add ReShade as add-on

Setup ReShade as "Lazy" / disable Compatibility Mode

Done

[olive moat]

What exactly does this mean?

[orchid coyote]

It's in Special K config

In the In-game UI -> Add-ons

Unfortunately the process isn't well documented

You need to add the ReShade as a dll to the Add-ons/ReShade folder in Special K directory iirc

And the RenoDX addon into a folder called "Add-ons" in the game profile folder within the special k folder

[obsidian vault]

For some reason I can't get special k to load in this game

[orchid coyote]

Oh yeah

[obsidian vault]

Do I need to edit the ini?

[orchid coyote]

You need to set it up as Elevated

[orchid coyote]

ZZZ is launched with admin rights cause anti-cheat.
So only a process with equal rights can load into it

Right click on ZZZ in the Special K launcher and select elevated

As a special option

[obsidian vault]

this is what I get when I right click on it in the special K library

I can't find the elevated option

[orchid coyote]

Click Manage

A window with options should show up

[obsidian vault]

oh I see it now yeah, in properties tab

Special K still isn't loading unfortunately

[olive moat]

I just start specialk entirely as admin

and then it loads

[orchid coyote]

Weird

[obsidian vault]

Oh nice that worked

[orchid coyote]

Do you get two UAC popups?

One for special K and one for the game?

[obsidian vault]

Running special K as admin

[olive moat]

Oh well doing that hasn't fixed my issue

[orchid coyote]

send a screenshot of the special K settings

[olive moat]

this?

special k is now refusing to let me turn off hdr 🔥

[orchid coyote]

Oh yeah

It's also weird

Click reset on the HDR menu near the profiles

Only way to disable it

[olive moat]

the game looks deepfried on hdr10 passthrough, washed out on srgb inverse and I cannot select raw framebuffer

[orchid coyote]

Then you'll be able to select raw framebuffer

[olive moat]

nope

[orchid coyote]

What

Weird

This stuff is generally not for the faint hearted lol

[olive moat]

After a restart, after I click the reset button, raw framebuffer is now selected

it looks deepfried

[orchid coyote]

yeah

Now you need to enable ReShade

And check what is selected there

[olive moat]

okay so the home button shows reshade, but ctrl alt shift r does not do anything

[orchid coyote]

RenoDX should pop up if you put the add-on in the profile folder

[olive moat]

seems to affect the game though so

renodx shows up

on preset 1

it looks deepfried still

[orchid coyote]

Uhh, yeah
You found out that Windows HDR isn't the only way to force on HDR
Unfortunately

[olive moat]

Wdym?

[orchid coyote]

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+R is for HDR enabling I think?

[olive moat]

no

[opal cove]

What the hell is goinf on hwre

[olive moat]

that loads reshade

[opal cove]

What the hell is your problem

Currently

[olive moat]

game looks deepfried

[opal cove]

Are you using mods?

Are u in HDR mode

[olive moat]

this mod

[olive moat]

yes

[opal cove]

Did you use special K HDR OR AUTO HDR OR RTX HDR BEFORE

[olive moat]

I have used rtx hdr before

it is disabled now

I am using this in combination with special k

[opal cove]

Did you at any point turn on SK HDR

[orchid coyote]

Oh yeah, send the SK HDR menu screenshot

[olive moat]

I was told to before iirc

[opal cove]

If so delete your profile in re-do everything

Don't EVER touch the SK HDR menu

[olive moat]

this is truly amazingly documented

[opal cove]

Delete profile
Launch game

Add reshade

[orchid coyote]

Shouldn't you enable the conversion to scRGB there?

And use the raw framebuffer

[opal cove]

NO

Dont fucking touch it

You dont want SK upgrading the framebuffer

Or even touching iy

[olive moat]

delete profile meaning just delete the zzz profile folder or?

[opal cove]

RenoDX is the one doing the touching 😊

And then SK will detect the game as native HDR

And auto select the proper options

[opal cove]

Special K -> profiles -> delete anything zenless zonr zero related

Yes zzz profile folder

[orchid coyote]

So upgrading it is only useful for Pumbo Advanced HDR?
But not for RenoDX as it does it's own thing?

[opal cove]

Yes...

[olive moat]

Where the fuck is it detecting renodx

Like

it's not installed on my computer at all

right now

the addon file does not exist

[orchid coyote]

Did you put it in Global folder in Special K?

[opal cove]

Have you restarted the game...?

[olive moat]

no

[olive moat]

yes

[opal cove]

Do you have any reshade files

In your game folder...

[olive moat]

nope

[opal cove]

This is not documented bc theres too many variables

If u dont know where 2 look this is gon be a wild goose chase

Why dont you just install reshade like a normal person

And dont go thru SK

[olive moat]

I was told to go through sk

I restarted the game 3 times

renodx is now gone

I don't know what the fuck is happening

but I'll just readd renodx now

[orchid coyote]

ZZZ requires an external injector

And Special K seems to be the easiest way

[opal cove]

Then use inject64

[orchid coyote]

And you also gain the benefit of Special K stuff

[opal cove]

Obviously not given how this is going

[olive moat]

Okay so

renodx is showing up

specialk hdr menu has not been touched

what now

[opal cove]

Press F9

Wait 5 seconds

Ctrl + V here

[opal cove]

The game looks proper

[olive moat]

it looks uh

very sdr

[opal cove]

You're seeing this deep fried?

[opal cove]

Then tune the fucking settings dude

[olive moat]

no

The deep frying issue appears to have been casued by me being told to fuck with specialk

[orchid coyote]

Exactly

Now you need to tune the 10 sliders to your preferences

[opal cove]

yes dont fuck with specialk next time

[orchid coyote]

Unfortunately

[olive moat]

👍

[opal cove]

who told u to do the sk thing

and switch it to scrgb

[olive moat]

I don't remember but it sure seems to be common advice here

[orchid coyote]

that's why I'm still using RTX HDR for this game

[opal cove]

it's not

it's common advice if you're trying to do SK HDR

[olive moat]

the sliders do not appear to be affecting the game at all

[opal cove]

read

at

the bottom

[olive moat]

I assumed a scene change was like, loading into another level/part of the open world

[opal cove]

wait a second

send me a picture

of your list of addons

in reshade

[opal cove]

the whole thing

😡

[opal cove]

you;'re doing it wrong

turn off compatibility mode in SK

[olive moat]

oh right those settings were reset when I deleted the profile

lazy and no compatibility mode right?

[opal cove]

yep

[olive moat]

restart now or?

[opal cove]

yes

restart game

[olive moat]

🙏

[opal cove]

if you're seeing

four plugins

then its proper

[opal cove]

uncheck those two extra plugins

[olive moat]

windows screenshots are overbrightened now

[opal cove]

yes your screenshot is overexposed now

[olive moat]

I assume this a good sign

[opal cove]

which means you're doing it correctly

uncheck those two

[olive moat]

Nice

[opal cove]

extra plugins

[olive moat]

another restart then

[opal cove]

yes

you can trigger a scene change by going into the menu while in any of the hub area

menu in combat won't trigger a scene change

[olive moat]

I remember a ton of messages saying to put 3 sliders to 80

on here

[opal cove]

dont

[orchid coyote]

It creates a more cinematic kind of look.
Some like some don't

[opal cove]

start from this

change peak/game/ui

[olive moat]

reshade menu does not open now 🔥

surely a restart will fix this

[olive moat]

peak brightness I should just put to my monitors though right?

[opal cove]

yes

peak = your monitor

game/ui = preference

[olive moat]

dunno the number but I'm pretty sure it's around 400 so

[opal cove]

Vanilla / RenoDRT

[orchid coyote]

What monitor do you have?

[olive moat]

aw2725df

in custom color mode (basically just hdr400 true black mode)

[opal cove]

this preset for closer to SDR washed out look

[olive moat]

your first settings looked a bit off, gonna try those

[opal cove]

it's intentional

I like my contrast

[orchid coyote]

According to RTings the peak is 457cd

[opal cove]

Vanilla / RenoDRT (light) / RenoDRT (high contrast)

[opal cove]

what rtings says doesnt matter

what's important is what your monitor actually clips at

[olive moat]

rtings measures it so

I'd say that's fairly accurate

more accurate than my eye for sure

[orchid coyote]

In my case it actually clips at the same value as RTings provides

[opal cove]

what rtings measure =/ what the monitor actually clips at

run through the windows HDR calibration

but don't finish it

[orchid coyote]

Calibrate with Windows HDR Calibration

[opal cove]

go through the peak brigghtness section

again, don't finish it

[orchid coyote]

Maybe like ~20nit difference

[opal cove]

see at what value it actually clips at

[orchid coyote]

Huh?
Shouldn't you keep the calibration profile?

[olive moat]

maximum luminance?

[olive moat]

i already have one

[orchid coyote]

Or is it only for Windows Auto HDR?

[olive moat]

just don't know the value

[opal cove]

it doesn't really matter

your monitor already has the EDID info for that

on laptops it can be detrimental even

[olive moat]

the abl is behaving very strangely right now

it broke

[opal cove]

the windows calibration tool?

[olive moat]

yes

[opal cove]

yes its known to be broken

what do you is

wait

let me turn it on

ah yeah

press randomly on the values

and use the left and right button on your keyboard

at some point it will appear again

then u can find whatever value u actually clip at

and put it into the game

[olive moat]

apparently 270

which seems a bit low

I remember it being higher

[opal cove]

is this the full screen value

or just the peak value

[olive moat]

tf do I know

[opal cove]

full screen value your entire screen would be white

[orchid coyote]

What

[opal cove]

in the HDR calibration

[olive moat]

it's the one with the white square on a black background

[opal cove]

you might have other issues going on there

welp

can't help you with that one

[olive moat]

I do remember it being around 3 - 400

[opal cove]

QD OLEDs with true black 400 should clip at 500 something

good luck brah

[olive moat]

🙏 😭

[orchid coyote]

My WOLED clips at ~560

And it matches the EDID data

[opal cove]

Thats pretty sad

Woled should do like 800+?

Mine clips at 800 and its ancient tech at this point

[orchid coyote]

I mean yeah it does ~850 but in the Peak 1000 mode

[olive moat]

I changed nothing and it's higher now

????

I love PC gaming so much

[opal cove]

Is that 850 at 10%

Or 850 at 2%

[olive moat]

it's 480 now, peak

[orchid coyote]

At 10%

[olive moat]

which matches with rtings

[orchid coyote]

2% is 1000+ nits

[opal cove]

Probably worth it to use peak 1k then

Only the 2% stuff is useless

[olive moat]

peak 1k has disgusting abl on my monitor

white is no longer white

[orchid coyote]

It generally matches the RTings data for me

[opal cove]

Peak 1k on qd is like

Useless

Cuz at 10% it already drops to 450 nits

[orchid coyote]

Peak1000

[opal cove]

So might as well use peak 400 mode

[olive moat]

It's really nice in warframe but shit everywhere else

[orchid coyote]

Peak 400

[orchid coyote]

EOTF on this Alienware is really weird

[olive moat]

it was much cheaper than everything else when I bought it so not like I can complain

[orchid coyote]

My LG is pretty cool, but I'll probably change it when LG releases the Primary RGB model

QD-OLED like colors without raised blacks

[opal cove]

Using renodx instead of rtx hdr would already be a huge upgrade 🙂

[olive moat]

I'll be the judge of that

[orchid coyote]

I like my colors saturated

And RTX HDR does a good job with that, with a 0-config solution

I may configure RenoDX properly in my free time though

[olive moat]

those settings look very dim, it does not feel like it's the middle of the day

[opal cove]

Dont copy my peak/game/ui brightness

[olive moat]

What should I set as the game and ui brightness?

fullscreen brightness value? whatever looks good?

[opal cove]

My 120 is optimized for dark room

If ur playing in brighter room

Try anywhere from 150-203

Remember to do a scene change

[olive moat]

203 looks good so I'll stay with that

203 also happens to be standard

[opal cove]

Yes

Less power to ur highlights

Ideally you would play in a darker room

With lower game brightness

[olive moat]

it's as dark as I can get it

[opal cove]

So u have more power for peak

But 203 is fine

203 with 480 peak is still impactful

[opal cove]

U can have the saturated

With reno

Set up properly

Fresh SK profile

Easy 2 minute install

Copy my punchy preset

Boom

[cedar flume]

dunno that doesn't happen with my pc, but this game is weird

[solemn pasture]

Why I have this issue?

[solemn pasture]

Damn

This bs doesn't want to start if I set it reshade on early start

[solemn pasture]

I can't load reshade with special k

Can somebody compile settings into one post and pin it?

Discord is so frustrating to use

[feral gulch]

use lazy load order for ReShade and disable compatibility mode

[feral gulch]

update the ReShade files in your Special K install

[solemn pasture]

I use those files in other games too and they d owork

And they work sometimes in zzz too

[orchid coyote]

update the ReShade files in your Special K install

[solemn pasture]

There's none, I use files from where the game is installed. Works great for wuthering waves

[orchid coyote]

Yeah that's your problem

Special K + Reshade works best as a plugin to Special K

[solemn pasture]

This is how I use it dummy

I meant shader files, reshade add-ons, textures, etc

If you meant .dll file, then I have 6.5.1 version

[feral gulch]

What does the error for the failed to compile say

[silver lantern]

god damn

how many reshade shaders is that

[solemn pasture]

A lot

[opal cove]

Mod still works with the latest update

[golden mulch]

I've been encountering this strange issue where I have a random (but high) chance of my whole screen frying itself whenever I pull up some UI element in the menus, the RenoDX addon works perfectly fine otherwise, but I have to force quit the game every time this happens. Any ideas on why?

I've speculated it could be due to my weak 8GB GPU that isn't capable enough at my new monitor resolution but other than that, no clue

[strong tide]

No clue, never saw it happening.

[strong tide]

I have this exact same resolution with a 3070 (so also 8gb of vram)

So it's unlikely to be the case

Though if you are using Special K to inject ReShade (like most of us), you must disable the VRAM cache with ZZZ, it is known to cause issues, even without RenoDX.

[golden mulch]

Figured out it was due to me using a HideUID mod 😅 Realized it was conflicting with how Reno handles the UI, thanks for making me certain it wasn’t my GPU artifacting

[cedar flume]

Whats that? Is that why ZZZ uses so much VRAM for me?

[austere void]

Were do i get the addon for RenoDX ? There is nothing in the pins

@opal cove how do i get the ZZZ HDR mod?

[opal cove]

Keep scrolling up until you find it

[austere void]

Ooo

So there is a github for it XD

[austere void]

Eeeee, is there something that i need to change for ZZZ ? The settings are a little bit eh

Ok UI brightness is game brightness?

@opal cove sorry to ping you, it does look like i have an issue with the HDR mod

like, this

[opal cove]

...

you're using a biuld from jan 20th

[feral gulch]

#1330764788711555166 message

[austere void]

oh nice :3 thanks

[austere void]

Did any one figure out way ZZZ now crashes soo many times ?

It’s like so random T^T

[opal cove]

Its a you issue

Ive never crashed

With zzz

[austere void]

It only happen when i started to use SK and RenoDX

Cuz for me too, i didnt crash like not even 5 times without it

But now

Somehow it doesn’t like this set up

[feral gulch]

How do you have it set up?

[austere void]

Nothing much,

That or it doesn’t like Sk or even RenoDX

T^T

[prime igloo]

hi, anyone tried setting up REST so effects don't get applied to the UI? I can't seem to get it to work specifically with renodx

without renodx I can find a shader near the bottom before the UI and it works fine, but with renodx those same shaders seem to preserve the underlying shaders as well, making it impossible to have a good selection. there are other shaders higher up that seem promising, but they are flipped upside down and the "flip render target" option doesn't do anything for me

[feral gulch]

How are you injecting SK and ReShade?

[austere void]

I chose ReShade as pluging

And add the addon64 reno to ReShade

Should i just use Reshade only ? And add renodx like that ?

[prime igloo]

sk + reshade + renodx only worked for me in zzz with lazy loading and compatibility mode off

but I gave up on special k because it caused so many issues

[sullen tiger]

ya never crashed in zzz

though i dont actually play this game much

[austere void]

Do you use SK + ReShade as plug + renodx?

[sullen tiger]

no i use hoyoshade

maybe you can try that

[austere void]

Ooo, plase tell me T^T i wanna HDR but it keeps crashing

At randome times

[sullen tiger]

https://github.com/DuolaD/HoYoShade

[austere void]

And after that how do i use Reno HDR ?

[sullen tiger]

regular way

uh actually a bit different

HoYoShade\reshade-shaders\Addons

this is where you put the addon file into

[austere void]

bruh

the Defender detected it as virus T^T

[sullen tiger]

its on github

you can check the source code

if you dont trust it

[austere void]

yeah i know

i got to tell it to stop T^T

Wait, so how do i use it? I did clikc HoYoShade Starter.bat

Do i have to start it from there?

Every time?

[sullen tiger]

ya

with sk you also need to launch sk everytime

nothing different

[feral gulch]

I use ReShade64 + RenoDX in the game directory and launch the game with SK via SKIF. That setup never gives me any issues

[prime igloo]

bump in case anyone has info on this

[karmic atlas]

You're using SK

Dunno how it is with ZZZ

But in any game I tried using SK + REST it was rip

BG3 just crashes

FF14 either loads but no REST or crashes on launch

[prime igloo]

I'm not using SK

[karmic atlas]

Right read the later message

Then you'll have to wait for Maple to answer

[prime igloo]

WISESALUTE

[mighty moss]

SK + this renodx mod works fine in ZZZ but haven't tried with REST as well

Actually I even use SK + reno with xxmi as well no problem (xxmi dll is injected via SK)

[karmic atlas]

SK + Reno works on my end too

Just when we get to the three way and beyond

Problems start to arise

[prime igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/mundo-feliz-onetreehsll-world-if-gif-14071235670792471304

society if games just had hdr

[mighty moss]

ZZZ has an official native HDR implementation but only on ps5

Society if hoyo didn't arbitrarily lock specific features in their games to specific platforms

[karmic atlas]

Unless it's Reno levels of control, I DONT WANT EEETTT

[karmic atlas]

Don't worry, we'll get DLSS/DLAA... Someday

The files are just chilling there

[mighty moss]

They've been there since 1.0 doing jackshit 😭

[sullen tiger]

honkai star rail supported dlss one year ago iirc

no idea why zzz still doesnt get dlss support yet

[prime igloo]

I wonder if they meant to implement it shortly after launch but they got occupied with reworking the main gameplay loop lol

[karmic atlas]

its available, just need to roll the ultra rare gatcha box to unlock

[prime igloo]

s rank agent passive ability, lets you enable dlss while the agent is active in the field

[feral gulch]

I noticed the DLLs got updated to DLSS 4 with the 2.0 patch as well

[opal cove]

Why are you using rest

When we already have a UI slider?

[prime igloo]

for other shaders

[sullen tiger]

probably because moble version is their no.1 target

[feral gulch]

iOS has MetalFX upscaling for zzz and hsr available as a toggle

[opal cove]

Android has nothing as a toggle

[sullen tiger]

never play mobile games

[opal cove]

These games r on mobile just for you to log in and do the daily slop

Runs and looks like crap compared to the actual pc version

[sullen tiger]

im still on iphone11 so pretty sure it will run insanely bad for me

not even gonna try that

[feral gulch]

Exactly

I just get on to do dailies if I’m too lazy to open them on my pc, or to passively do events when work is slow

[austere void]

guys, can you share your RenoDX settings? i keep changing them cuz i can’t quite get the look I’m after :/

[mighty moss]

I use these settings that @opal cove originally shared, change peak brightness to whatever nits your display clips at tho (my peak brightness of 800 nits is for the LG CX and probably other LG C series OLEDs), also game/ui brightness depends on ambient lighting conditions and personal preference, but try to keep the ui brightness a bit higher than game brightness

[mighty moss]

Also, took these renodx hdr screenshots (view with a hdr display) for a friend originally but i'll share them here too (do be warned i took quite a few of them tho)

Overworld screenshots

Combat screenshots

Ultimate screenshots

Character wallpaper screenshots

[feral gulch]

I personally use everything default besides 60 contrast/saturation/blowout

[austere void]

oh wow, thanks for the info and pics :3

[mighty moss]

Np

[sullen tiger]

increasing highlights looks deepfried imo

[austere void]

is default ok then? 50

I’m starting to like the idea of Vanilla but with highlight that is just the HDR when needed, and color and everything else to be the same

[austere void]

interesting idea, i will try :3

[austere void]

i do not know if reshade saved the picture in HDR, but way do i have the impression there is a white thin film on my screen? making things kinda washed out ?

[karmic atlas]

The grading in the game by default is washed

This is why there's the 80/80/80 option

80 Saturation
80 Contrast
80 Blowout

I lowered contrast to 70ish

[mighty moss]

I prefer these settings for giving the game a less washed out grading with some impactful hdr highlights without overdoing it ^

80/80/80 is a bit much for me imo

[austere void]

Ah i see

Welp

[austere void]

Hm, i had the feeling, this wash out white thing, is not in every zone

Is it that possible?

Cuz i used 60/60/60 with not issues

[austere void]

Yeah i did that too :3 70 is good, while i like the color black, the whole darkening of colors(?) was kinda a little too much

Or whatever is happening with colors due to contrast

[sullen tiger]

80 contrast looks pretty deepfired sometimes

[austere void]

Ok so some maps have some misty like fog or something, like scoot outpost has A LOT, but when you are in wifai city it’s clear, my settings were 60/60/60, while the 70/80/80 did help with some of the washout feeling, that is not Compleatly gone cuz the rest looks like it\s the map

I do not remember the Lumien hollow areas to have this fog but it is now there

first pic is 60/60/60 second is 70/80/80

while Alice becomes less washout, the rest of the map still looks ugh

[dusky pagoda]

Is inject64 supposed to put reshade files in the game's directory? I'm a bit wary about touching the game files and while specialk works, it makes Lossless Scaling frame generation a stutterfest.

[prime igloo]

yes, as far as I know you would have to modify the injected dll (reshade64.dll, that one can be anywhere) to put those files somewhere else

I think there is a fork of reshade on GitHub that does that specifically for hoyo games

[sullen tiger]

i generally avoid sk with renodx now

[dusky pagoda]

Thank you! I'll take a look at the forks soon

I did try hoyoshade and xxmi, the former works exactly the same as inject64 and the latter gives me an error (-5, failed to inject) when I add reshade's dll to the external libraries option, did that for genshin as well

[dusky pagoda]

SpecialK is a headache if you're not using any of its functionality, the only reason I was experimenting with it is because it might allow me to use ReShade and OptiScaler simultaneously in Star Rail

[mighty moss]

I still use SK because it does allow me to use reshade/reno + xxmi at the same time

Also without having to use xxmi launcher to launch the game every time cause you just inject the zzmi .dll instead as a plugin through SK (and ofc reshade is available as a built in plugin for SK)

[dusky pagoda]

Yeah that makes more sense than the xxmi launcher

[mighty moss]

Still need to open xxmi launcher every now and then to update zzmi whenever needed but other than that yeah don't need to run xxmi launcher with that setup

[dusky pagoda]

I'm generally unfamiliar with 3dmigoto stuff but it seems more like the WriteProcessMemory injection method is just unreliable

Unless I'm stupid and SK does that too

[opal cove]

You can do that without sk

[mighty moss]

How

[dusky pagoda]

raw zzmi?

[opal cove]

https://tenor.com/view/bye-im-out-im-gone-disappear-gif-14773411

Maybe later when i have the patiencr for it

But if you can figure things out on your own:

• inject64 shortcut that detects zzz exe
• put that shortcut as pre launch in zzmi setting

[golden mulch]

honestly all you need to do is this and also ensure you have a fresh ReShade.ini in the same folder as the dll

injecting the ZZMI dll through SK also gave me a lot of issues that otherwise didn't exist when I ran ZZMI normally

[opal cove]

that doesn't work for everyone

as people are getting code 5

[golden mulch]

-5 failed to inject? yeah it does that until you give the folder a ReShade.ini to work with

[mighty moss]

Uhh doesn't putting ur .dll in the game folder like that cause issues

Like when the anti cheat detects .dll files it doesn't recognise it'll automatically corrupt the file iirc

[golden mulch]

works perfectly for me, much better than using SK to inject

been using this method for well over a month

[dusky pagoda]

I didn't try that but if I'm going to put a dll in the game folder anyways I might as well just use inject64 since I'm not using zzmi

[opal cove]

only when the file gets loaded

ReShade64.dll is not a file that gets loaded normally

but with inject64 you dont even have to have the dll in the same folder

I still load my ReShade from the SK plugins folder

just not with SK itself

[golden mulch]

inject64 would probably be less hassle since you don’t have to ensure there’s already a ReShade.ini to function. You can also point ZZMI to any directory for the ReShade64.dll though; I just have it in my game folder for organization

[cedar tendon]

I'm not too familiar with how Renodx and addons work. Is it possible to add another tonemapper to the addon? For example what if I wanted Reinhard tonemapping?

[dusky pagoda]

I'm having no luck finding this - are you referring to HoyoShade? Not quite a fork of ReShade, and either I'm misusing it or it still dumps files into the game's folder.

[prime igloo]

ah ok I misremembered then, sorry. I was referring to HoyoShade

[dusky pagoda]

no worries it looks like there's a ton of other options

[opal cove]

just use inject64 with zzmi

like how i mentioned

[mighty moss]

Well i managed to figure it out thanks to the help of this
https://gamebanana.com/tools/18082

And updating the included reshade64.dll to the latest version

Can launch both zzmi and reshade through xxmi launcher now

[opal cove]

Whatever works for you

[dusky pagoda]

If you're using xxmi launcher, it's easier to just add the ReShade64.dll path (can be anywhere) to the inject libraries option. minmay was right that all you need to do is put a ReShade.ini in the game folder and it'll work

You can add

[INSTALL]
Logging=0

to it to not create a ReShade.log

I believe rech is correct that if you want no modifications to your game folder, you have to modify the ReShade.dll from source to make it look at a different path

and make sure to point the effect, texture, and addon search paths to where you want them

[dusky pagoda]

This is still a far better option than any xxmi bloatware though

[golden mulch]

i was using this originally and found bizarre performance degradation with it but if it works for you then It Works

[austere void]

I can’t use SK cuz it keeps crashing T^T

[austere void]

Wtf I’m having issues with Hoyoshade, it refuses to injecy

[dusky pagoda]

I'd avoid using hoyoshade, it's just an overcomplicated modification of inject64

[opal cove]

if inject64 is so good what about inject69

[dusky pagoda]

Just download inject64, put the ReShade64.dll (extract it from the ReShade installer executable) beside it, create a shortcut to inject64 -> properties -> add "ZenlessZoneZero.exe" to the end of the shortcut target and check run as admin

[dusky pagoda]

69 bits > 64 obv

[austere void]

oh nice, gonna try that

[orchid coyote]

RenoDX injected via Special K spams the logs with stuff like [15888] | WARN | [RenoDX] OnCopyTextureRegion(mismatched: 0x000001eddaa08860[4](clone: 0x000001ef28f61860 (r8g8b8a8_typeless) (clone: r16g16b16a16_float) => 0x000001ef28f44a60[4] (r8g8b8a8_typeless))

Any reason why it happens and how to stop it?

It fills like 2GB within an hour

[opal cove]

Use inject64

[orchid coyote]

Does Special K mess things up?

[opal cove]

Could be

Could not

https://tenor.com/view/i-don't-know-idk-idk-about-that-gif-7336250873949261946

U can try the game without SK

[orchid coyote]

Another question - does Special K capture RenoDX HDR on screenshots properly?
I made some comparisons between RenoDX(70 Highlights, 50 Blowout) and Special K SDR-->HDR(default preset 1 no changes) and they are very similar, the only difference is in UI brightness and Special K more aggressively expanding the gamut into DCI-P3

Are they really that close or am I doing something wrong here?

[silver lantern]

I’m gonna do a PR when I get home

right now it’s using the hue and chrominance of SDR

[austere void]

can you link me to inject64?

[dusky pagoda]

https://reshade.me/downloads/inject64.exe

[austere void]

thanks :3

[austere void]

i was on ther reshade website and i didnt find anything about inject64 XD granted i didn; go to the forums T^T ah mistake

[dusky pagoda]

Yeah I only found out about it through this server, I have no clue how you would normally access it

[austere void]

yeah, search engines does't show jack, and on their websites is only Reshade to download T^T

[austere void]

by the way, do i make a folder some where else and do this ?

or do i do this in the ZZZ exe folder?

[dusky pagoda]

Only the ReShade.ini has to be in the game folder

Everything else can be anywhere you want it

[austere void]

that gets created in the folder where i run inject64? so i have to move it to the game folder?

[dusky pagoda]

I think it'll autogenerate one there, I can't remember because I had one prepared from another game

[austere void]

ah i will see how it works once i run it one time

[dusky pagoda]

It creates the ini next to the executable it detects

So when you add the game as a launch argument (can do this by calling .\inject64.exe "ZenlessZoneZero.exe" via cmd or the easier shorcut method) it runs as if the ReShade64.dll was "installed" to the game's root folder

[austere void]

ooo i see

is there a way that once i run the inject64 shortcut it will also start the ZZZ.exe?

[austere void]

ok, so for some reason in ZZZ when there is this black screen, the image is dark, but i can see moving in the dark the 3d models !!! you can see in the SS some faint outlines

[dusky pagoda]

That's when the cmd route is useful, you can make a .bat file to call both but it might be finnicky because both the game and inject64 need admin

[austere void]

well, it’s much more easy to click yes to both of them that to go and click individually :3 now how do i make such a bat file?

[dusky pagoda]

new file -> rename to anything.bat -> right click, edit with notepad -> put something like

start "" "%~dp0inject64.exe ZenlessZoneZero.exe"
start "" "Path\To\ZenlessZoneZero.exe"

I have no idea if I'm breaking some unspoken rule of batch or if this even functions in the first place, and it will not prompt for admin on its own

You can probably ask chatgpt to make it not completely stupid and get a functional result

[prisma dome]

Does anyone else have an issue with the PC version where when you quit the app through the menus or Alt+F4 to quickly close the game, it will still show as open in Windows for like 15 minutes & not allow you to terminate the process through Task Manager?

I'm trying to make sure Reshade is injected via ZZMI, but it takes so long to re-open the game because it thinks there's already an instance open.

[tacit berry]

I always just closed it from the title screen

[prisma dome]

So, between ACES & Reno, which is the recommended tonemapping mode?

[mighty moss]

Reno

[mighty moss]

Ive always closed the game through the pause menu and that hasnt given me any issues

[prisma dome]

Yeah, I figured. ACES seems to have more of the gamuts active, but it comes at the expense of this weird yellow-greenish hue over the screen, and everything looking a bit too fried.

[prisma dome]

After messing around with some of the settings, you might be able to alleviate this issue by messing with the "Flare" setting in Reno. But only by like a tiny amount.

[austere void]

oh that is interesting :3

[solemn pasture]

This is better than sk+reno?

[austere void]

actualy no

just do the reshade + reno

it stop working for me so i had to just use reshade + reno

[solemn pasture]

With injector?

[austere void]

yeah, you got to use inject64 for reshade + reno, cuz hoyoshade is doing the same thing, but it stop working for me

[solemn pasture]

Back then it didn't work

[solemn pasture]

Can you link the most recent addon?

Can't find it

[solemn pasture]

Mxao give wrong colors, what I can do?

[solemn pasture]

Thanks!

[karmic atlas]

Can't use it

Marty doesn't support HDR in his shaders

Those artefacts are the consequence

@sturdy hamlet are there anyways to use MXAO?

Smoops shader maybe?

[sturdy hamlet]

https://www.creepymods.com/HDR-Shader-Order#soops-hdr-converters-additional-info

yeah that should work

@solemn pasture

[solemn pasture]

Thanks, gonna look into it

[sturdy hamlet]

I use RTGI all the time so MXAO should work as well

[rigid halo]

hello I use xxmi and wanted to use lilium's shaders but they're giving me errors 🤨 it's one of the only if not the only shaders that aren't working
tried to install the new update and the error got even worse

[prisma dome]

Speaking of RTGI, any idea of how to get rid of the weird blocky artifacts that pop up in some places while it's on?

[austere void]

so did the mod break??

[sullen tiger]

no it still works

[prime igloo]

it looks a bit weird for me during Seed's ult. the explosions are blown tf out

[sullen tiger]

dont have that character

if you fund maple to pull seed then he can probably fix that

[mighty moss]

You can still try her in the character trial while her banner is active

[sullen tiger]

nah i know that, just joking about the fund staff

[austere void]

Didn;t maple said he will not update this anymore?

[opal cove]

they don't play this game anymore

[austere void]

Sigh

[opal cove]

also a she fyi

[austere void]

Oooo

Sorry

[sullen tiger]

its just a joke

[mighty moss]

Oof

We are cooked if a future update breaks this mod ig 🥀

[sullen tiger]

basically this game is a pain to fix

[prime igloo]

I tried playing around with REST in ZZZ and that was such a pain in the ass too lol

[sturdy hamlet]

can you post a picture?

I've seen blocky artifacts with RTGI but those were NaNs caused by using it with REST

these are the NaNs I'm referring too

[prisma dome]

I don't know what REST is, but I think I fixed it. I was using the soop shaders to convert the iMMERSE shaders to HDR, but looks like Launchpad has to be on top of everything else, even the converter shaders. Moving that to the top of the effects list got rid of the artifacts.

OH, Reshade Effect Shader Toggler.

Idk if I have that enabled.

But yeah, in ZZZ, when I had RGTI enabled, I would get these weird black & white blocky artifacts around certain asses, like during Miyabi's attacks, or when in the pause menu with Trigger's theme active.

[sturdy hamlet]

yeah, Launchpad can't be inside of the converter shaders. I've tried it quite a few times and I've never gotten it to work

[prime igloo]

wait what is soop shaders? you can use sdr shaders in hdr?

[austere void]

bruh Seed ult is broken T^T

[tacit berry]

uh oh

[sturdy hamlet]

https://www.creepymods.com/HDR-Shader-Order

Sure can 🙂

officially supported, no. Can you do it, yes

(and yes that guide needs updated, I got plans for it 😛 )

[prime igloo]

sick

thank you!

[mighty moss]

Since 2.2 broke previously working hide UID mods, this seems to be the only one atm that hides the UID in the current patch
https://gamebanana.com/mods/553291

Problem is, unlike the other hide UID mods this one is using shaders to do that

Which seems to conflict with renodx unfortunately

[tacit berry]

I don't think it'd be hard to implement that into renodx

[mighty moss]

In some menus like the suibian temple and fishing stuff, it sometimes just ends up in a flashbang and then your screen is stuck on that image and theres nothing you can do than to just alt+f4 the game

I asked the mod's creator about that but he doesnt seem to be interested in fixing compatibility for renodx

[tacit berry]

you could probably use REST

[mighty moss]

Im trying to setup REST rn but im having a hard time

Theres like a billion shaders and idk which ones to select lol

[tacit berry]

start from the end

you should find it pretty quickly since the ui is typically drawn last

[prime igloo]

if anyone makes that work with REST I would be interested in the settings. I tried myself and failed

[karmic atlas]

For what parts specifically?

Rendering shaders before UI?

Rendering before volumetrics?

With FF14 there was some fiddling around I had to do

Easiest is to set the debug check on whatever shader you want (if available)

Then cycle through the game shader hashes via REST

That way you'll be able to see what the debug layer is being applied to

[prime igloo]

yea I did the same in ffxiv, was a cakewalk compared to zzz

[austere void]

sigh, i wander who will take over the ZZZ reno

[prisma dome]

Does ZZZ have a selectable buffer? Whenever I set the buffer that actually matches the game when using DisplayBuffer.fx, it glitches out really badly.

[orchid coyote]

Oh, that's why there were no updates

😭

Time to go back to SpecialK HDR

[opal cove]

auto hdr

in this economy

[mighty moss]

Theres another hide uid mod now updated for 2.2 and it seems to work fine with renodx without issues
https://gamebanana.com/mods/612899

[rugged portal]

probably more accurate to say maple would be inclined to it if you fund their infinity nikki pulls

[orchid coyote]

SpecialK with the pipeline-remastering isn't THAT bad

All the other implementations have huge artifacts though

I was really surprised when going from RTX HDR to Special K HDR and the artifacts just disappeared.

[tacit berry]

artifacts?

[orchid coyote]

Idk how it's called exactly
But it shows up using AutoHDR or RTX HDR in the character select menu

the profiles are kinda grainy

[tacit berry]

banding?

[orchid coyote]

Yeah

[tacit berry]

I see

[orchid coyote]

the dithering here shows it

[tacit berry]

I didn't realize that remastering reduced banding somewhere in this game

[orchid coyote]

It's very noticeable on the character select menu, there is less stuff like this

[opal cove]

In very custom games pipeline remastering doesnt do anything though

So you're just essentially using autohdr

[orchid coyote]

Why less dithering artifacts then 😭

Every time you think you know how something works here it turns out you don't

[opal cove]

🤷‍♂️

not sure if kal does something with banding for sk

but remasters 8/10/11 is a hit or miss especially with custom games

[strong tide]

@opal cove hey babe

find me those new shaders that are broken

i'm doing it, i'll fix this mod

[opal cove]

https://tenor.com/view/bruhlmaojk-dexter-morgan-dexter-edit-gif-3871590212062699993

[opal cove]

i'll get em tmrw

[austere void]

yay

[austere void]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-worship-worshipping-now-bowing-gif-12297363

i had been running the game in SDR for long enough T^T

[opal cove]

just use the current version?

[austere void]

no thanks :3 i will wait for the patch

seed ult is broke

[opal cove]

that

that's not a simple clamping

[austere void]

[opal cove]

@strong tide 762 is an uberpost but I can't find it listed in the draws

well this is awkward

I updated my devkit but the mod is now crashing with the latest devkit

and I accidentally deleted my old one

[opal cove]

nevermind, it was listed as 762 in the snapshot menu but it was placed earlier in the actual shader list

weird

[opal cove]

@strong tide Okay, i might have traced where yixuan's ult is clamping, its earlier than the output shader (?)

some kind of particle shader earlier in the pipeline

draw enable/disable

[opal cove]

good thing is trigger charge shot uberpost is shared with wipeout screen

bad thing is that there are

3 variations of wipeouts

[opal cove]

Can anyone confirm with me

if seed's ult is broken

in open world or shiyu

[opal cove]

lmao fuck seed

[opal cove]

I can't find why seed's ult is having a stroke and i don't feel like figuring it out

toodles

[prime igloo]

yea

[feral gulch]

looks like NaNs

[prisma dome]

Looks like Seed might be Yixuan's long-lost sister & is just as skilled in using auric ink as she is.

[austere void]

[strong tide]

that does in fact look like nans lol

well fuck lol

[prisma dome]

What's a nans?

Nevermind.

So not a developer or anything... but I'm guessing that, as far as RenoDX goes, when it's trying to render a specific color within the selected tonemapping method, that color is represented by a value of some sort, telling the shader what color it is? And when that value isn't an actual number, it shows up as black artifacts?

[strong tide]

No, what's happening is bad math inside the game's code lol

[prisma dome]

Ah.

I'm guessing that's not fixable?

[strong tide]

It is fixable, just annoying.

[strong tide]

Basically, somewhere inside the game's shader code, it's performing an invalid operation (like dividing by zero) and the result of those invalid operations are those artifacts

[prisma dome]

Oh. Okay, that makes sense.

[strong tide]

Very likely a shader was written with the assumption that color values would be under the [0,1] range, which goes out the window in HDR.

(because the way scRGB represents HDR colors is by using negative values and values bigger than 1)

[strong tide]

Thanks for looking into that lol

I'll start looking into the shaders you sent me.

[prisma dome]

So, here's something I discovered:

I play on a superultrawide screen (32:9 ratio), and the game only outputs as much as 21:9. Everything else is just black bars.

However, there's a mod that removes the black bars, allowing me to play in fullscreen (I have some screenshots uploading right as I speak).

However... that mod also affects the UI, as all the black backgrounds on a lot of the UI elements are either faded or removed.

We need a free cam mode.

So... I think the black bars aren't there because those portions of the screen aren't actually being rendered... but are actually part of the UI?

Because otherwise, the ultrawide experience is actually perfect. And apparently, ZZZ had superultrawide support during its beta period.

So... why did they not include it in the full version lol?

[opal cove]

Kk. Btw, will u investigate why the planar reflections (mirror reflections on high) gets frozen when you use any character's ultimate?

[strong tide]

Wait what?

I wasn't even aware this was an issue

[opal cove]

#1330764788711555166 message

It was probably this one, I wasn't sure how to replicate this before, but now I know it happens when you ult

[strong tide]

dude why is this game so jank

i don't get it

[opal cove]

jank city

[strong tide]

I can't figure out why this is broken lol

[prime igloo]

I know there are some issues with the mod rn anyway, but I think it's been like this before 2.2 as well. is it normal for these kinds of dialogues to look "flat" compared to normal gameplay? there just seems to be no highlights at all. tried a lot of settings, if gameplay looks good, this looks flat, if this looks good, gameplay looks overdone

actually the screenshot looks better than what I see in the game...

[opal cove]

Dialogue is not broken

What are you on

[magic mortar]

already exists

[opal cove]

This entire game is also flat if you play without touching any settings

Use the grading sliders

[prisma dome]

It's basically the same as a green screen with a fake background projected onto the chroma key & softboxes pointed directly at the subject. It's flat because there's nothing dynamic happening in the scene itself that would warrant highlights appearing. It looks just as flat in SDR, just less bright.

[prisma dome]

Where? How do I access it?

[prisma dome]

On that note... I wish ZZZ had more actual cutscenes. Especially since these dialogue sections constantly feature fake optional dialogue anyways, so there's no real point in having static sections like this outside of keeping costs low.

[prime igloo]

I'm just uninformed

the answers make a lot of sense thank you

[strong tide]

correct.

there is zero color grading on the 3D characters during cutscenes, and they themselves are rendered on an empty scene while being fully lit.
I unclamped those dialog scenes because someone asked me to, but thanks to how the scene works, there's just nothing there to recover in terms of HDR.

Some characters like harumasa have a self-emitting light on their models that would technically show up on dialog but most of the time, it's going to be on SDR range lol

[opal cove]

no strong highlights but yea still needs to be recovered cuz the skin still blows out

[prime igloo]

ty for the explanations, sorry about the assumption that it was wrong 🙏 appreciate all the work being done

[magic mortar]

its from a cheat software

I don't use the cheat parts of it just free cam and fov for zzz

[prisma dome]

Found it. Thx. ||It even injects DLSS, the override tool doesn't even do that lol wow.||

[opal cove]

Iirc dlss doesnt actually work...

[prisma dome]

It doesn't, as far as in-game settings. Not even available as an option, despite the dll for it being present in the game files. But the cheat tool that was mentioned actually injects it, and I definitely noticed a difference.

[opal cove]

yes i mean the cheat tool doesn't actually work

if it does, mind pulling up the dlss debug info screen for me?

[magic mortar]

yeah the dlss doesn't work in it

[prisma dome]

I could've swore I seen the AA adjust when turning the setting on.

But the debug overlay won't show up when opening the game, so I guess not.

[karmic atlas]

Luma time

add DLSS

just as you're about to publish it, hoyo announces official DLSS integration next week

[orchid coyote]

DLAA in this game would be a blessing

[mighty moss]

• fsr 4 and xess

If only

[prisma dome]

Seriously, why did they do this?

Turns out that, via Shader Toggler, you can actually remove the black bars without an extra mod just by using Reshade.

But toggling that shader off removes all black-colored elements of the UI.

But, why are they using the UI to hide the sides of the screen in ultrawide resolutions, in the first place? Those sides are still being rendered by the game & affecting the performance of the game, just hidden away by the UI.

And given all the images I posted in here, it's not like the game looks terrible in 32:9 resolutions.

Such a bizarre decision.

[prime igloo]

that's wild lol, the only thing I could think of is that it's a black layer and the game is masked out to be visible. and that mask is only 21:9 + the ui elements

baffling

[strong tide]

this is actually very common.

because rendering under a smaller resolution but with a different aspect ratio is more work than just rendering at your native res and cutting the sides

they don't pillarbox content for performance, they do it to ensure that the content looks correct.

they probably can't ensure the content will look proper under every possible aspect ratio (ie: there aren't any rendering issues or you being able to see things that you shouldn't, like NPCs waiting for their turn outside of the main camera on a cutscene), so they just block it

even if it looks fine 99% of the time.

[prime igloo]

I think the confusing part is why use the same shader for a very different purpose as well

[prisma dome]

This.

Like, sure. You wanna make sure the odd case of assets popping in & out on the sides or whatever doesn't show up, or that things don't get stretched out weirdly? Whatever, hide the sides.

Using the exact same UI shaders to do it? Sloppy.

[prime igloo]

I would even argue against that lol. limiting the aspect ratio like that is incredibly anti consumer. if I paid for a 32:9 monitor I expect things to work with it. we're not babies that need protecting from possible incredibly niche slightly incorrect looking things at the limits of our peripheral vision.

if I mind it, I can set my resolution to 21:9 myself

[strong tide]

it makes sense though?

you don't really need to do a lot of things with an UI shader

so you just reuse it everywhere for any UI element lol

[prime igloo]

100% makes sense from the dev side yeah, and no other side matters

just weird to run into things like that when you mess with things you're not expected to mess with lol

[prisma dome]

The mod that reenables 32:9 has broken menus when it's active, as it removes basically all the black backgrounds in the UI. So, the New Eridu City Fund? Dark as hell, but kinda cool looking tbh. Outpost Logistics store? Straight up invisible.

[strong tide]

you wanting to block the pillarboxes isn't an actual valid usecase for "making a different shader"

[prime igloo]

of course

[strong tide]

but there is a lot of things that make sense to be done in a dev side but does make our life annoying

like removing the UID

because that also uses the generic UI shader

[strong tide]

I do agree with this though

not supporting arbitrary aspect ratios is just lazy

[prime igloo]

"things may appear broken" in the settings can carry a lot lol

I don't remember what game had that, but I've def seen that

[prisma dome]

Idk. I'm not a game dev, but I would think making a shader that's blocks two thirds of a 32:9 screen wouldn't take very much time or effort.

Also, this is the same developer adding GTA IV ragdoll physics to buttcheeks. They can take the time to either do a separate shader, or just let shit rock & bother to make it look good on all screens.

[strong tide]

it wouldn't be much effort but uh, think about this logically.

why write another shader when the regular UI one does what you want already

the fact this makes removing the pillarbox hader/annoying is irrelevant to me as a developer

because i don't want you doing that in the first place

[prime igloo]

this is just another look into how games that have the backing of trillion (?) dollar companies are not perfect and are made in a hurry by humans, with human ways

they are just tasked with doing something, they just do it. they don't have the time to think of every cascading effect it will have

especially something as niche as this

[prisma dome]

Oh, I get it from a "Eh, who gives a shit?" kind of mindset, where you already have a thing that works, so why bother with the extra effort.

But as you said, it's still a lazy way to go about it.

That said, tho...

[strong tide]

i think it's lazy to just have the pillarbox to begin with lol

i don't have a problem with them implementing the pillarbox like that

[prime igloo]

I can imagine whoever implemented this did not make the decision to add it in the first place

[prisma dome]

Any dev willing to pick a fight with their players over any little thing is fighting a losing battle, tbh.

[strong tide]

i mean, it's not exactly picking up a fight, it's more like, this game has anti-cheat, we don't support modding the game

as a developer, the fact i'm making your life harder is officialy not my problem ™

[prisma dome]

It can become a problem real quick, if enough people care. That's why it's a losing battle. Gamers have revolted over less lol.

[prime igloo]

lucky for them the players here only care if they can mod even bigger boobas in the game

and they can so everything is fine

[prisma dome]

Idk if you ever played Smash Melee, but the producer for that game didn't like the fact that his party game grew a sweaty competitive scene.

So, in Brawl, he added a tripping mechanic to stop players from dashdancing.

Not only is that one of the major reasons why the game is hated in a general sense, it's also the reason why Brawl is mostly remembered for all the hacks that basically turned it into Melee.

Hell, that game might be the very reason the modern homebrew community exists lmao.

[prime igloo]

the only thing I'd say is that if the developers had more freedom and weren't overworked, I'd appreciate if they did think about things like this

it doesn't have to be a mod support type mindset, but just thinking "someone might want to touch this shader on its own" goes a long way, and doesn't require that much effort

[strong tide]

Yes, i'm familiar with it, and while it's funny Sakurai eventually regretted what happened with Melee and made a lot of changes on Brawl just to spite people, only for people to counter spite him with mods, you are overselling the impact of Smash modding for homebrew.

[prime igloo]

but from what I see with zzz they have much bigger things to worry about, and I don't fault them a slight bit

I genuinely don't understand the obsession with static UIDs constantly visible that you cannot turn off