✅RenoDX: Zenless Zone Zero

[strong tide]

This is finally in a stage where i feel comfortable sharing with people here, it mostly works without (too many) issues.
Source code: https://github.com/MapleHinata/renodx/tree/zenless-zone-zero
Known issues:

• Changing the RenoDX settings require a scene change to apply.

[frank forum]

the game has the same uberposts as

pathfinder wotr2

what I did is cut a lotof the code out after doing the lut sample

https://github.com/marat569/renodx/blob/f47e099e277c0dc156bb8a68e75133a3d0490f38/src/games/pathfinder2wotr/uberpost1_0x1C581A77.ps_4_0.hlsl#L119

after getting all the colors I need, I pipe them to my function

do safepow 1/2.2f

o0 = color

return;

the rest of the code is random junk and their scuffed stuff

[strong tide]

eh

i had missing effects

when i did that

[frank forum]

rip

[strong tide]

it doesn't matter

it doesn't have any negative downsides from what i can tell

[frank forum]

the if(cbuffer) things are like colorblind mode in pathfinder2

did your game have 2 uberposts per frame

one uberpost that was just the game

and a second uberpost that was the game + ui

[strong tide]

well i have bajillion uberpost variants

[frank forum]

same lol

I only found 4

but normally only 1 per "scene" should get loaded

but my game would load 2

and 1 of them included the ui

whats the issue causing renodx settings requiring a scene change

thats one of the more unique issues I've heard of

[strong tide]

it's not a real issue exactly

it's more of a "gotcha"

the game only builds the LUT for the scene once

when loading the scene

i do all of the tonemapping in the lutbuilder

so that means stuff only runs once lol

https://github.com/MapleHinata/renodx/blob/zenless-zone-zero/src/games/zenless-zone-zero/lutbuilder_general_0x9E93A9D5.ps_4_0.hlsl this shader runs once during loading and then never again

it doesn't build the lut every frame

[frank forum]

ohh

voosh had that issue

its a thing all unity games do

he wanted to pull the curves out of it

and it took him 500 years to dump it

I dont touch the lutbuilder though

I only touch uberpost

but my game has an hdr lut

what happens if you just skip that shader, and only work with uberpost?

well skip as in leave vanilla?

[strong tide]

i think the lut on ZZZ is also HDR, i went the lutbuilder path because it sounded cleaner and shortfuse recommend it to me.

[strong tide]

i think i can do upgradetonemap at the uberposts

but idk the lutbuilder method worked

[frank forum]

yea it looks good based on the pi

and changing settings isnt a big deal

you set them once and forget

shortfuse upgraded the aspect ratio upgrades; idk if that fixs render scale

[strong tide]

it does

it also bricks the game

[frank forum]

also .ignore_size=true seems to work well with unity games

cursed hoyo code

is 21:9 official or

mod

I assume since its a phone game, phones have weird aspect ratios

[strong tide]

it's native

[frank forum]

pog

did you try ignore size?

[strong tide]

this happens with ignore size

[frank forum]

LMAO

[strong tide]

or when i upgrade RGBA8 in general

[frank forum]

dx11 or 12?

[strong tide]

that index there is the only way i got RGBA8 upgrades to not cause that

DX11

[frank forum]

only thing I can think of is cloning

that might fix things up at the cost of some vram

[strong tide]

oh right i could try that

[frank forum]

but idk how big of a deal render scale is

[strong tide]

1.0 of render scale works fine

it's just 0.8 that is broken

and that's because there's an extra blit for some reason

[frank forum]

oh

who cares about that

I guess potato bois

[strong tide]

New version, fixes HDR with 0.8 resolution scale, fixes talking to people nuking your HDR and unclamps the menu/character select screens

[opal cove]

can confirm everything that i can see works

[frank forum]

what u do

[strong tide]

#🧩renodx-dev message

[potent nimbus]

Ooooh shit! Had no idea this mod existed. I've been using rtx hdr all this time

[frank forum]

I remember in unity games ignore size actually was stable for some weird reason

but I'm confused how you have renodrt applied in both the lutbuilder and uberpost

normally you only mess with one of them no?

[strong tide]

I don't have RenoDRT on the uberpost?

[frank forum]

a fun setting you can try out is config.reno_drt_per_channel = true; // per channel true fixs blue clouds/blow out related issues

it looks really good in anime games imo

[frank forum]

https://github.com/MapleHinata/renodx/blob/20e6165f060806dfc73221ccb516389c886f5ea5/src/games/zenless-zone-zero/uberpost_0x14410F28.ps_4_0.hlsl#L251

[strong tide]

oh

I REMEMBER WHY

that scene

doesn't use a lut

[frank forum]

oh

yea I'm clicking through more of them, and others just have

a lut config

I like putting comments ontop of my shaders with notes for stuff like that

[strong tide]

like there is a scene in particular that doesn't use a lut for god knows why reasons

so i apply renodrt there

[frank forum]

yea that make sense

did you cut out their sRGB encoding at the end of uberposts

in the other shaders

or was the only shader with sRGB encoding

the shader that didnt use a lut

[strong tide]

good question, i don't remember

[frank forum]

in the one unity game I made

I just yoinked their shit code and sent out powsafe 1/2.2

https://github.com/marat569/renodx/blob/e40ab9215557d5747c61e54d606012d03eb3c349/src/games/pathfinder2wotr/uberpost1_0x1C581A77.ps_4_0.hlsl#L122

after applying renodrt, I just encode to gamma, and return

the two blocks of if statements skipped are like colorblind features that wont work with hdr anyway; so no loss there

and the stuff after is just their shitty encoding

every uberpost I found has their encoding; but in your uberposts only one has it

either way thats all smallbeans

thanks alot for the lutbuilder comments

[strong tide]

ZZZ is a bit custom

[frank forum]

ah

I forgot the deep lore -- why did just uberpost modding not work

[strong tide]

i didn't try just modding the uberpost

[frank forum]

ah ok

[strong tide]

shortfuse recommended me to go with the lutbuilder approach and i just did

[frank forum]

I never tried modding the lutbuilder

I got good results with the uberpost, and left it at that

I suggest trying per channel though

its my new favorite thing

[strong tide]

I may take a look into it

I'm happy with the mods already tho

[frank forum]

I was happy with ryza having blue clouds in the morning for a long time too

jokes aside good job, I bookmarked the lutbuilder comments because thats actually useful a.f

[strong tide]

i stole that from shortfuse

you should probably thank him

https://github.com/clshortfuse/renodx/blob/main/src/games/seaofstars/lutbuilder_new_0x77850945.ps_4_0.hlsl

[frank forum]

😮

sea of stars went through like 10 revisions

I guess I missed that one

btw why not upload the mod to nexus? its a hoyo game -- I'm sure a lot of people will grab it

[strong tide]

i'm lazy and i don't want to offer too much support lmao.

You need to use SpecialK to inject ReShade into the game and explaining how to get that working to people is effort

modding is technically not allowed by the game and there is (sort of) an anti-cheat too

[frank forum]

yea thats the one issue with nexus

steamforums: unironically not bad; if I get a comment its usually just "thank you"

nexusmods is fucking working a techsupport call center

I just stopped replying

[frank forum]

oh fuck that yea

I unironically didnt make mods because I didnt want to teach people the whole SK song and dance

[strong tide]

and it's usually stuff like "why doesn't it work with my SDR reshade shaders, shit mod uninstalled"

[frank forum]

pls no

ninja gaiden sigma 1 + 2 [remasters from 2 years ago] (dx11) idk if its anti tamper [they have online leaderboards]

you cant inject reshade as dxgi -- doesnt matter if its regular reshade or addon reshade

only reshade via SK

[strong tide]

yeah same thing for ZZZ, the anti-cheat detects dxgi injection

[frank forum]

yea all the hoyo games are like that iirc

global injection works for some reason, peak kernal anti cheat

genshin impact is also unity right?

you can probably transplant the ZZZ code over there

[strong tide]

GI is also unity yeah

but i don't play Genshin Impact

lol

and also Genshin Impact has native HDR

[frank forum]

oh nvm

I dont play any of these games so idk

[strong tide]

hidden on a registry setting lmao

[frank forum]

OHH I REMEMBER

btw you might know

are there any phone games

that have hdr support

[strong tide]

i have no clue

[frank forum]

because I was thinking the other day

phones do pretty good hdr

and its all generic hdr10 (2020+2084)

[strong tide]

i'm not aware of any Android game that actually outputs HDR

I'm not familiar with iOS so i'm not going to speak about that

[frank forum]

[tacit berry]

um I think nintonito mentioned one before

[summer bobcat]

How to use it?!

I have successfully injected Special K into ZZZ, and I have also placed the files into the profile folder, but nothing happens.

[strong tide]

You need to disable compatibility mode for special k

[summer bobcat]

Sorry, could you tell me where it is?

[strong tide]

no wait, you got the mod working already

[strong tide]

are you using the latest version? should be this one:

[frank forum]

it looks like his reshade.ini is griefed

and is looking for effects in random places

shouldn't matter since the log said it succesfully loaded the addon

since addons dont need effects

[summer bobcat]

Yes, I'm using the latest.

[summer bobcat]

But no matter how I adjust the values in RenoDX, nothing changes in the game, and I guess it's not working.

[frank forum]

you might have to change scenes

Changing the RenoDX settings require a scene change to apply. [ZZZ mod]

try changing settings and restarting the game

do something silly like contrast 100

so you can see it right away

[summer bobcat]

But the game looks the same when I don't have SK turned on or when I have SK turned on. I don't know what's wrong😭

[frank forum]

when you press home

does the renodx window pop up

for contrast/saturation/etc

idk maple is the only one that might be able to help

[summer bobcat]

Yes

[frank forum]

no idea man; this is a question for maple

I have no idea of the whole SK/Reshade setup

[summer bobcat]

It's okay. Thanks for your help.

[frank forum]

np

[summer bobcat]

put it here,right?

This is my setup. The HDR settings in SK need to be changed for the game to have an effect, but the colors look strange, and at the same time, RenoDX is still not working.

These are the window details for RenoDX.

[frank forum]

no idea where its supposed to go with the SK setup

[frank forum]

you dont need any reshade fx

but it shows that renodx is loaded

[frank forum]

you want scRGB native

[summer bobcat]

what is it mean?!

[summer bobcat]

Could you provide me with your ReShade files? I’d like to test them out. I would appreciate it!

[frank forum]

I dont have the game

but the mod is in scRGB, so hdr10 native is "wrong"

there are 2 hdr colorspaces

scRGB and HDR10

so you want to select scRGB native

[summer bobcat]

you mean this?

[frank forum]

turn that on, and select scRGB native

actually you probaly want both

[summer bobcat]

The colors are still strange.

[frank forum]

no idea, because I dont use SK with renodx

well sk injecting reshade

restart the game

after changing stuff in SK

select scRGB, then scRGB native, and restart the game

[summer bobcat]

okay i will try it

[summer bobcat]

Still looks weird

[frank forum]

select scRGB

you need to select both scRGB + scRGB Native

and then restart the game

[summer bobcat]

here?!

[frank forum]

yes

now restart the game

[summer bobcat]

It looks dark now

[frank forum]

ask maple idk

[frank forum]

did you restart the game

after changing the game to scRGB?

[summer bobcat]

Yes!

[frank forum]

yea idk;

but if you move the sliders up and down

like dcontrast

does stuff change

if it does, its a setup issue

[summer bobcat]

no

[frank forum]

interesting

are you on the latest build

[summer bobcat]

yes

[tacit berry]

its clamped

how'd you load reshade

did you rename the dll to ReShade64 or did you load it via the plugin tab?

[summer bobcat]

I’m sure RenoDX isn’t working. Even when I use such extreme values, there’s still no change in the game, whether I restart it or change locations.

[tacit berry]

you have to pause it and unpause it for those settings to take effect

but regardless renodx doesn't seem to be working anyway

otherwise it wouldn't max out at 80 nits

[summer bobcat]

You mean here?

[tacit berry]

err yep that explains everything

don't try loading reshade addons via sk(remove renodx-zenless-zone-zero from there)

and disable compatibility mode

and if your version of reshade isn't too old it should work

after disabling compatibility mode you can switch it back to lazy(I think early does still work though)

[summer bobcat]

like this?

[tacit berry]

yea that looks good

if it doesn't work change it to lazy(keep compatibility mode off)

[summer bobcat]

how keep compatibility mode off

dont tick it?

[tacit berry]

yes

[summer bobcat]

oh it is working!

[tacit berry]

dope

[summer bobcat]

After adjusting the RenoDX values, the game has changed.

Thank you both for your help!

[tacit berry]

np

[opal cove]

This looksnlike you're running

In compatibility mode....

[frank forum]

this is why I didnt make a few mods that would only work with SK injection

I dont want to provide support on the whole song and dance LMAO

I dont want to do it myself

[opal cove]

SK/renoDX is a lot better now as well

bro

RenoDX wasnt saving settings

If you injected it from SK

Cause the addon wasnt in the game folder

It saves settings now

But imagine the tech support I did

😭

[weary vale]

These games have huge modding scenes though lol and you don't need specialk, literally anything can inject reshade including the official injector. it just needs to be outside of the game folder

[tacit berry]

yea that was the problem

[tacit berry]

maple did mention inject64 and hoyoshade

she was posting about it originally in the special k server

hence why so many of us here are using sk to inject reshade

[weary vale]

hoyoshade 💀

its literally just a batch file to run inject64

bro straight up copied the exact code from crosire and called it a custom injector

[potent nimbus]

I can't help but wonder if something is wrong on my end. The picture doesn't really look "hdr" to my eyes, without the highlight slider slid up to like 60 ish. Looking at lilium's analysis tool, the picture does reach peak nits (400 in my case), in places where it makes sense. It's more the rest of the picture looking rather flat

are the default settings fine for you guys?

[tacit berry]

check untonemapped

and go into a battle

don't forget to pause and unpause the game

[potent nimbus]

I'll check in a bit. Aces did look brighter from what I could see, but I didn't try no tonemap

[potent nimbus]

is the reno tonemapper supposed to look flat like what I'm describing?

[tacit berry]

so

the game kinda just looks like that tbh

the ps5 version is the same way

[potent nimbus]

I guess my eyes are a bit screwed since I'm used to having rtx hdr on in this game

ACES tonemapper makes things "pop" more. Kinda the same effect as increasing highlight slider on renodrt

[opal cove]

You are recommended to use the grading tools because the defaults arent very pleasing

Only special FX pops

Because that thing is super unclamped

[strong tide]

I mean the defaults aim to be accurate to SDR

and i did test the mod side by side with the PS5 native HDR and it wasn't super far off. (though the paper white on the PS5 version is higher than 203, i'm almost certain)

this game just....doesn't pop as you expect it to

[opal cove]

Yep

Its not pleasing for many which is why the grading tools exist

I think the highlight sliders help to balance things out pretty nicely

Way better than raising highlights on a base SDR image still

[potent nimbus]

I see, good to know it's nothing technically wrong on my end

[frank forum]

@opal cove you can try 80 80 80 (contrast/saturation/blow out)

thats a popular HDR look preset for renodx mods

if its too strong, start dialing stuff back

[opal cove]

I have my personal one for this game

[frank forum]

that works too

[opal cove]

idk how you do 80 sat 80 blow out tho

that sounds like crazy bro

too much sat

[frank forum]

well you have contrast to lower it

but depending on the game

80 80 80 is too much

like hollow knight shortfuse settled on 65ish values

[opal cove]

i dont think I ever went past sat 53~ unless the base grade is really fucked

let me check for this game

[frank forum]

its an "hdr look" preset thats supposed to simulate the high contrast stuff people like from stuff like RTX HDR

I personally settled for per channel tonemapping for my anime games

[frank forum]

but 80 80 80 is like a cheat code preset

why is game lower than ui

normally ui is lower than game

[opal cove]

nah

if you're targetting low nit paper white

UI is usually too dim

if you set same brightness

so I usually have 150-200 UI nit

tbh for this I usually go for Base Grade+/Vanilla+

[frank forum]

ah

I also like 55 sat/contrast i a lot of games

since it feels like vanilla with a bit of a "boost"

with maybe a touch of flare

[opal cove]

yeah

zzz already has a low contrast filter by default

[frank forum]

oof

[opal cove]

contrast 55 kinda ruins that so i have to dial back

shadows to 45

to balance things out a bit

still ends up as vanilla+

i'll see if I can get a screenshot

[frank forum]

show me vanilla vs 80 80 80 for fun

vanilla as in

RenoDRT with default values

1000 peak 203 game

[opal cove]

actually, slightly more contrast than vanilla cuz even the low contrast looks pretty dull when in HDR

let me do everything with 1000 203 game

renodrt / 808080 / my personal values

[potent nimbus]

What does "blowout" actually do?

[frank forum]

desaturate

its called dechroma in the back end

crank up only blowout

and nothing else

and you'll see

[opal cove]

personal / 808080 / renoDRT all stock

[frank forum]

80 80 80 looks good

[frank forum]

@hollow glade 808080

idk how important that "washed out" look is

but I think I prefer 808080

[opal cove]

yeah it looks good but it looks a bit crushed to me

I have the SDR reference on my phone

[frank forum]

you can always dial it back a bit

[opal cove]

so I can closely emulate the look

I think mine's the most balanced but obv im biased

xd

[frank forum]

I like 808080 because it doesnt have that like "gray filter look"

but maybe lowering it a bit can help if it actually destroys detail

[opal cove]

its fine because the grey look is kinda intended for zzz vibe

[frank forum]

but yea 808080's goal isnt "accuracy" -- but an "hdr look" -- what people think hdr should look like -- so high contrast

and poppy colors

the profile

[opal cove]

stock / 808080 / personal

[frank forum]

808080 pops more

and doesnt have that gray "filter"

[opal cove]

i mean yeah

[frank forum]

which is the big thing I'm not a fan of

[opal cove]

im surprised it doesn't crap itself

but then also not surprised

because the default grade from what u see

is already pretty heavy

in terms of lifting shadows

[frank forum]

yea ic

do the lut sliders help

[opal cove]

i dont even know what it does

[hollow glade]

Contrast Saturation Blowout is 808080

[opal cove]

isnt it supposed to change the grading lut and not the original lut

[opal cove]

yea

[hollow glade]

Though that was also Daniele

[frank forum]

I just pinged you to show that 808080 looks good in another game

yea its an old renodrt config

[hollow glade]

Reinhard has more pop

[frank forum]

https://github.com/MapleHinata/renodx/blob/20e6165f060806dfc73221ccb516389c886f5ea5/src/games/zenless-zone-zero/lutbuilder_general_0x9E93A9D5.ps_4_0.hlsl#L308

[opal cove]

this build is from jan 20

pretty resilient so far, the zzz updates didn't break anything

[frank forum]

the shaders renodx mods modify dont really get griefed by updates

unless the devs do a full engine upgrade

[opal cove]

@strong tide say that to star rail

[hollow glade]

Daniele 80 is Reinhard 75

[frank forum]

copy

but yea for the lut sliders

lut strength is a lerp between the lut being on and off

so lut strenght 0 = no lut applied

lut strength 100 = lut applied

[hollow glade]

daniele 80 orange, reinhard 75 purple

and reinhard has more highlight boost

[frank forum]

ic

danielle seems a bit more raised torwards the lower end

compared to reinhard

[frank forum]

but yea shortfuse as a pro

[hollow glade]

daniele is orange

[frank forum]

what do you prefer here

[frank forum]

yea ik, and reinhard is purple

danielle's curve seems to be a bit higher than reinhards around 0.05 to 0.3

[hollow glade]

daniele isn't very constant with peak nits. and breaks if you put like 3000 nits. sounds like nothing, but when you want to tonemap to 10k rip

[frank forum]

and then reinhard overtakes

[hollow glade]

it was good until we can fall back to good ol' reinhard, nothing beats that

https://tenor.com/view/rock-paper-simpsons-game-winning-gif-5880718

[frank forum]

I need to convert some of my older mods to reinhard

[strong tide]

bruh star rail broke 3 patches in a row

because the devs kept changing a cbuffer size

[opal cove]

iirc shortfused patched wuwa up for like 3~ days before a major update broke and clamped the highlights again

[strong tide]

such is the curse of working with live service games

[frank forum]

no way, what engine

[opal cove]

same engine

unity

xd

star rail genshin and zzz is all on unity

[frank forum]

I'm honestly surprised, but I guess cbuffer changes would grief this

but usually updates arnt an issue as a whole for games

[strong tide]

it's all unity but it's custom as fuck

[frank forum]

ah

ZZZ looks like standard unity though

[strong tide]

yeah zzz is the most standard looking one

Star Rail had an entirely custom lutbuilder which was fun

[frank forum]

ohh wow

if you ever care to revisit the mod, swap it over to reinhard and maybe add a slider for per luminance and per channel tonemapping

[opal cove]

maybe next patch

or when it breaks

[frank forum]

lets hope it doesnt

[strong tide]

let's also hope it doesn't because this game has bajillion uberposts

[opal cove]

🙏

[strong tide]

and i only made this mod because @opal cove kept annoying me for it

[frank forum]

LMAO

[strong tide]

i don't even play this game on PC

[frank forum]

I mean its a solid mod

it looks good

I'm surprised more people arnt here

I thought the game was pretty popular

unless you didnt advertise it anywhere

[strong tide]

it's not even on the wiki

[frank forum]

oh

[opal cove]

should be its in a pretty good spot

[frank forum]

I mean

tbh if I made a mod

that needs sk and a whole book on injecting

I wouldn't put it on the wiki either

[strong tide]

it doesn't need SK, SK is just the most convinient way to inject ReShade

[opal cove]

yea

[strong tide]

you can use inject64 or whatever and it works

[frank forum]

I heard there is an injector

[opal cove]

inject64

[frank forum]

is sk and messing with settings

[opal cove]

but it also needs an explanation

[frank forum]

really more convinient than just making a bat file + shortcut for inject64

[opal cove]

not really

you have to worry about the whole

compatibility mode

shebang

[potent nimbus]

xxmi injecting is fairly convenient too, but probably falls into spooki territory for many people

[opal cove]

we only think its more convenient bc we're all used to how SK works

[frank forum]

right, I see people try to inject rehsade + renodx mods with SK

and it seems like a whole meme process

[frank forum]

(I dont)

[strong tide]

i'm impressed 3dmigoto works with HDR lmao

[frank forum]

months ago sthe guys where talking about using 3dm to make a renodx mod

and all you'd need is to add in the swapchain/colorspace upgrading into 3dm

the shader replacement is there

cbuffers or an alternative setting system is there

I never used 3dm in my life though, just heard of it on like loverslab

its like shader + mesh/texture/?model? replacement for dx11

[strong tide]

yeah people use 3dmigoto to mod models and textures on gacha games

because file modding gets you banned

[frank forum]

yea its also real time

thats my baseline understanding

also for games with no mod framework/easy way to modify binaries

[potent nimbus]

I won't guarantee it does, I just know there's an easy way to use xxmi launcher to inject reshade into the hoyo games and wuwa

Whether or not 3dmigoto messes with HDR is unclear

[strong tide]

it doesn't as far as i'm aware

[opal cove]

3dmigoto got patched to work with HDR

because of jinshin impact

[frank forum]

arizona green tea with ginseng

[opal cove]

now if only a dx12 gacha gets popular

so soeone can be motivated to rewrite 3dm to work with dx12

[strong tide]

infinity nikki copium

[weary vale]

Idk how well it works but there was a recent addition specifically intended for fixing it yeah

[weary vale]

I actually would guess there are significantly more people using 3dmigoto or 3dm+reshade than reshade/renodx/sk

[weary vale]

Nah there's no case of this happening it's just too hard to use conventional unity modding due to the encryption on some assets. People do file replacement for audio though because that's easy

[weary vale]

Ummm I mean renodx is pretty much that lol... I had been planning to work on a 3dmigoto continuation last year and then I found renodx and realized that if I just wait and do other stuff eventually shortfuse will implement everything I need purely by coincidence. IDK about d3d12 yet but I think I could already reimplement mesh modding for d3d11 on reno without a huge amount of work, just pointless rn

[weary vale]

I'm working on mod support for IN a little bit but screw dx12 I'm doing it in the actual game engine. I mean really I'm just modding unreal in general since that's much more doable than dx12

[frank forum]

btw for reinhard all you need to do is add this to your config builder

  renodrt_config.tone_map_method = renodx::tonemap::renodrt::config::tone_map_method::REINHARD;

reinhard is the future!

[opal cove]

Wuthering waves skin mods pog?

Its unreal

[tacit berry]

renodx doesn't allow you to swap models though no?

nvm

[karmic atlas]

Just wanted to check in here in case anyone can help me

I'm injecting SK via SKIF with elevated perms and the game + SK loads up fine. Adding reshade as a plugin (no compatibility mode) through SK also works.

However the moment I add Reno to Add-ons, the SK intro bar will appear for a split second on game start then disappear. I can't access it via CTRL + Shift + backspace and my frame capper isn't being applied as I've checked the reported FPS in reshade

Reno application also seems bugged

Sometimes It'll be in HDR other times it's still SDR, adjusting sliders doesn't apply

[opal cove]

Read the original post

[karmic atlas]

I am blind, thank you

What about the SK issue?

[opal cove]

Probably something configured incorrectly

Works fine on my side 100%

What load order

are you using

For reshade?

[karmic atlas]

I am unfortunately cursed with this genre of games when it comes to SK

[opal cove]

Early/plugin/lazy

[karmic atlas]

plugin

[opal cove]

Use lazy

This mod specifically doesnt need plugin

Other renoDX like the unreal one will need plugin

But not this one

[karmic atlas]

That appears to have worked

Thank you berry much

[opal cove]

@strong tide I saw anby soldier 0 menu screen and its already unclamped

POG

[weary vale]

just checking, you do know wuwa has a big modding scene using 3dmigoto right? but yeah I already have pak modding unlocked so dx12 skin mods are totally possible, but people just arent on board

[opal cove]

Pak mod sounds like ban city

[night wind]

cutscenes are clamped so unfortunately can't use renodx in the story...any chance for a fix?

[tacit berry]

they don't look like that on my end

they look normal

idk if they are overbright, but it doesn't look broken

maybe 3dmigoto is conflicting in some way? idk

[night wind]

idk maybe, weird that it only affects these scenes

what are you injecting reshade with

[tacit berry]

special k

[night wind]

ok i'll test if that changes anything

nope still looks bugged

[opal cove]

Always has been?

[opal cove]

He's probably got a really high peak beightness set up

So when it clamps it clampes even harder

[night wind]

oh was it always bugged? been a while since i last used it

running standard 1000 peak

[karmic atlas]

I have to increase UI brightness to unclamp

The game sees the story cutscenes as UI not game brightness?

If you go from 203 to 500 it should unclamp

Granted you'll have to deal with 500 nit UI

[opal cove]

just noticed that this mod is not on the wiki

[tacit berry]

its on maple's github

[summer bobcat]

Any updates?

[tacit berry]

https://github.com/MapleHinata/renodx/tree/zenless-zone-zero/src/games/zenless-zone-zero

nope

still works just fine though

[summer bobcat]

How do I use the files on this website? There are so many things when I open the link—sorry, I don't quite understand.

[frank forum]

assuming these are in-engine cutscenes; probably just need an aspect ratio upgrade thats equal to the cutscene aspect ratio

probably a quick fix

[strong tide]

nah they use

a different uberpost

kind of a pain

[frank forum]

if its just 1 extra permutation and no other uberposts spawn during the cutscene; wouldnt it be ez -- unless its not compatable with the lutbuilder fixs?

[strong tide]

it's just a different permutation

[tacit berry]

btw they don't really usually look this broken

not sure why they look like that on kotorin's end

[opal cove]

usually it clamps to UI

if the diff between UI and whatever's above it is really big

then it should look fucked like tat yea

[tacit berry]

🤷

ui seems to be 203 nits

[frank forum]

move the blowout slider

or contrast/saturation

if they do nothing, that means the shader isnt "fixed"

[tacit berry]

I'm not in game

also

the sliders only do something on scene changes lol

so it'd be a bit of a pain in the ass to see if they do something

[frank forum]

true

either way maple said it needs another uberpost; so yea idk how the mod is put together

unless the fmv uberpost is doing something cursed; it should just be finding 2 colors and running renodrt

[tacit berry]

here

[frank forum]

ik I seen the source

[strong tide]

it's not fmv, the cutscenes are in engine

i added some of the uberpost variants for cutscenes

[frank forum]

yea mb meant to say cutscenes

[strong tide]

but i did the story already

[frank forum]

so there are tons of cutscene uberposts?

[strong tide]

and there seem to be a few of them

[frank forum]

rip

[tacit berry]

I'm sorry somehow I missed this yesterday

a compiled version of the addon used to be pinned

https://github.com/clshortfuse/renodx/wiki/Mods

follow this guide for installation

[summer bobcat]

Thank you!

[opal cove]

yixuan gaming

[potent nimbus]

Heyo I'm noticing something weird after testing this mod again. Not sure if it's intended or not. Using stock settings.

Outside of battles saturation looks normal, but in battles sharp colours like the hairglow from signature wengines and some battle fx look very over saturated? Is it the same for others on stock settings?

it also doesn't look this overly saturated in the VR training room. Looks normal there

[opal cove]

It's supposed to

The colors are unclamped

Try using hue shift/emulation

[night wind]

yeah just tested the colors are different in the VR training room

prob an issue somewhere since there's not supposed to be a difference depending on location

[opal cove]

???

Didnt this get fixed

A long time ago

Are you guys using an older version

it's the fucking same

[night wind]

saturation is different on your screenshots too

more obvious if you look at some more colors

is yours the same version

[opal cove]

Yes my brother because there is a piss filter in vr training room

Cant you look at the characters lol

The only time thats wrong is if the hue is completely different

Like turning purple in one of the previous version before its fixed

[night wind]

i'm basing it off sdr, there's no difference in the colors

[opal cove]

#1133480106078248980 message

[opal cove]

Because in SDR everything is clamped to blown out

[opal cove]

This is what it looked like when it was wrong

Wait you were the one who reported it initially 🤣

[night wind]

yeah that was clearly wrong

now its just saturation is different

[opal cove]

Its been fixed ever since

[opal cove]

Minor diff due to color grade is fine

As long as its not clamped and still in the same hue

[night wind]

well its not even color grade, its probably some shader as otherwise the colors are the same everywhere

[opal cove]

But the grade is different

[night wind]

but yeah looks like no changes since the last version which is why i stopped using it and only checked back after updates to see if anything new broke

[opal cove]

why though

it still works

[night wind]

too many things that bug me lool

so not really playable for me in its current state, can't use for story, things were clamped in one of the event stages back then, and inconsistencies in the colors

[summer bobcat]

Why do some parts of the interface bleed through the black bars?

[charred sail]

doesnt this game have anticheat?reshade can load?

[harsh marsh]

Just tried setting up renodx and zenless closes at the start screen. After that, reshade doesnt show up now, was there another way you're supposed to use it with zenless?

[tacit berry]

idk why this isn't pinned

but you can either rename dxgi.dll to ReShade64 and inject special k(enable elevated services in skif)

use hoyoshade

or run inject64 as admin

[harsh marsh]

ah gotcha, thanks lol

[desert hare]

hello, i'm completely new to all this, i tried setting up this mod via a specialk injection and then using reshade as a third party plugin, i can see the renodx menu but it doesn't seem like hdr is being used, i tried changing some settings and teleporting somewhere else to trigger a scene change but nothing changes. what am i doing wrong?

[viral ibex]

You need to disable compatibility mode in SK, under reshade loader plugin
And restart the game

Will you rebase/update the repo ?
This doesn't have all the advanced settings of latest renodx

[opal cove]

the unreal engine mod

is different

you should look at the settings

of other game specifics renodx mod like this one

[viral ibex]

Still isn't there a button to make things pop more ? Like a default "bright hdr" preset lol

Anyway 5month old is not the best thing for a tool like this updating quickly

[opal cove]

do your own tuning

or do 80 contrast 80 saturation 80 blowouit

[viral ibex]

I know, but I bet some underlyinf fixes were made in the last 5 months

[opal cove]

what fixes

none of the fixes will fix the clipping unless maple specifically patches the shaders

[viral ibex]

I know. Just that the repo is missing +200 commits iirc.

Syncing the main repo of a fork is always nice.

[opal cove]

doesnt affect the mod

have you look at the commits

they're mostly game specific patches or fixes for the unreal engine version

this just needs the missing shaders patched

1. vital view (slow mo dodge) clipping
2. cutscene dialogue clipping
   that's probably about it

[tacit berry]

is it using aces?

looks like it is

don't forget to disable sdr grading

[opal cove]

Dont have to

Stock game is so washed out

80 80 80 still looks decent

Although a bit shadow crushed

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[desert hare]

that did the trick, thank you!

[weary vale]

Hoyoshade is literally just crosire's injector lmao just use inject64

[tacit berry]

oh

[balmy sleet]

How do I install Reshade for ZZZ?

[mighty moss]

Is this working for anyone after the 2.0 update?

For me it just boots up into a black screen

When this is active

[mighty moss]

Nvm had to downgrade reshade to 6.4.1

To fix black screen

But the mod is still broken regardless in 2.0

The hdr is not hdring anymore

💀

[strong tide]

Yes, i'm aware the mod is broken, i'm working on it.

[mighty moss]

Thx, hope to see a fix soon 👍

[karmic atlas]

Not seeing any added DLSS support in the patch notes

[strong tide]

New version of the mod.
This requires ReShade 6.5.0, and fixes compatibility with version 2.0, fixes dialogs being clamped, potentially fixes the VR training room looking weird.

This (should) hopefully fix the remaining issues, if there are things looking wrong or clamped, let me know and i'll investigate.

@night wind you might want to give it a try, i think i solved all of the issues you mentioned previously.

[strong tide]

(and oh yeah @opal cove here it is nerd)

[night wind]

Absolutely based I will test shortly

I just finished story earlier so hopefully I can find some other cutscenes

[opal cove]

Fixed:

• Cutscenes are clamped

• Wipeout screen is clamped #1330764788711555166 message

• Letterboxed intros are clamped #1330764788711555166 message

• Vital view (Evasive assist) still clamped ( look at histogram on pic below) #1330764788711555166 message

• Agent archives clamped #1330764788711555166 message

Clamped/Bugged:

• Yixuan Ult is clamped, clamp when sprinting with Yixuan #1330764788711555166 message
• After yixuan ult the ground is blue / missing shadows ? #1330764788711555166 message
• Clamped when speaking to characters (only on 0.8) #1330764788711555166 message
• Dialogue choice overlay clamps what's underneath #1330764788711555166 message
• Purple buildings #1330764788711555166 message
• Aftershock moves (the "FIRE" thingy) is clamped for a split second
• WIPEOUT screen in Hollow zero/Shiyu, new drive disc stage is clamped
• yixuan special investigation stage clamping at 0.8 #1330764788711555166 message
• gambling screen is clamped #1330764788711555166 message
• log spam affecting performance?

[opal cove]

wait

wtf

discord supports AVIF now?

[feral gulch]

i think the colors are griefed with avif

nvm just the thumbnails are, they look normal if i zoom in

[opal cove]

you're viewing on mobile...?

[feral gulch]

desktop

[opal cove]

sdr or hdr mdoe

[feral gulch]

hdr, i was comparing by dragging into skiv

[opal cove]

no avif hdr preview yet then

just avif sdr preview

[night wind]

yixuan ultimate is partially clamped

[opal cove]

i mean

it's all partially clamped at the beginning

[night wind]

not all, some of them are fine

[opal cove]

check the histogram

[night wind]

yeah i have it open

[opal cove]

only clamped for 0.1-0.2s

for the wind-up

but yes, yixuan one is more obviously clamped

I'll add it to the list

[night wind]

something funky going on in VR training room

[opal cove]

it's not partially clamped though

it's completely clamped

[night wind]

well partially as in not the whole ultimate i guess

but it is for a good part of it

[opal cove]

no it is actually clamped even for the non letterboxed animation parts

read the histogram

the onlything unclamped

ironically

is the UI

[opal cove]

got a completely different issue

my ground is blue

eks dee

[night wind]

mine only clamped at the start of the ultimate, weird we seeing different things

[opal cove]

did you try the other variant

of the ultimate

[night wind]

oh its also clamped when she sprints with bird

let me check the other ultimate

[opal cove]

anyways, added to the bug list

let me know and i can add it back at the top #1330764788711555166 message

[night wind]

ok yeah her 2nd ult is fully clamped

[opal cove]

she's on trial so should be easy to maple to reproduce

Speaking to characters are clamped (?), 0.8 res btw

[night wind]

when switching around different maps its also clamped, likely the crt scanlines effect

[strong tide]

does it happen at >1.0?

[night wind]

i haven't encountered clamping speaking to characters so far, tested 0.8, 1.0 and 1.2

[opal cove]

\

@strong tide looks like a 0.8 exclusive

[opal cove]

not all speaking triggers it

[night wind]

clamping in cutscene when this depth of field effect comes on during dialogue option (during intro to souls of steel event)

[opal cove]

it's definitely a 0.8 special

agent archives clamped

[opal cove]

i'm not sure if this is worth fixing but i'll add it to the list anyways

[night wind]

yeah just reporting all the stuff so we know what the issues are

[strong tide]

I spent an obscene amount of time trying to unclamp the combat intros.
for the record, it wasn't worth it, at all LMAO.

I got it working but it was not worth it.

[opal cove]

teach me shifu

[strong tide]

btw someone else that is not me will have to maintain the Yixuan Ult permutations

because i'm not rolling for her.

I'll fix it now since there's the trial

but after that's gone, good luck for the next person

[strong tide]

@opal cove can you please find me a place to consistently trigger the clamping at 0.8?

i'm unable to reproduce it.

[opal cove]

fuck

can u try during main story quest?

on another note, purple buildings (i dont' know how to trigger)

if you haven't started the mecha quest it should happen ur talking to grace

trust events are also a good way to trigger the shader

it seems to happen after a fade to black i think

yep

consistently triggers after a fade to black/black screen white text into dialogue

[mighty moss]

Pause menu wallpapers are fixed too (used to be clamped)

[strong tide]

New version with tons of fixes
Fixed:
Wipeout screen is clamped
Letterboxed intros are clamped
Vital view (Evasive assist) still clamped
Yixuan Ult is clamped, clamp when sprinting with Yixuan
Agent archives clamped

[strong tide]

@opal cove @night wind

The weirdness with the VR training room when combined with Yixuan is something i'm looking at, but i have no idea what causes it, it's very strange.

[strong tide]

I tried to fix this, but i wasn't able to find the shader that draws the DoF.
It's not clamping to 1, if i boost the fuck out of the brightness in the background, it does pass through values bigger than 1, it's just that the DoF is really aggressive lol.

Not sure if it's worth fixing it

i'm going to bed, i'll look into the remaining issues later.

[opal cove]

clamping when sprinting with yixuan seems to be not fixed yet

i'll add it back

actually her ult is still clamped

[strong tide]

You mean the first few seconds?

[opal cove]

yeah both her ult

the one where she throws the ball up

and this one is clamped for the first few seconds

because the actual animation part outside the letterbox is also clamped (it's only showing 700 nits because of the UI elements being HDR)

let me get a better recording

[opal cove]

hmm, also clamping for a split second when it triggers the "FIRE" thingy

[opal cove]

RIP the wipeout screen in shiyu is a diff permutation?

[nocturne wren]

Hello, I've been having a strange issue. Ever since the new update my game stutters constantly with RenoDX installed. I checked ReShade logs and this warning is just spammed over and over, though I have no idea if its related. I use SpecialK to inject ReShade, anyone got any idea what could be wrong?

[tacit berry]

disable texture cache in special k

[nocturne wren]

it's already disabled

i tried inject64 for reshade and it kinda stabilized but still stutters

i just lock FPS and its bearable now

[opal cove]

have you tested without anything running..

It can be that the game is more intensive now

Especially in the new areas

Plus if you want to limit stutters you should limit fps anyways

[nocturne wren]

yeah without RenoDX it doesn't stutter

[nocturne wren]

i was looking at a wall and it was still stuttering lol, monitor was flickering like crazy

even when capped in SK it was still stuttering bad

without SK and just using inject64 with FPS capped its good now though, just some weird behavior on my setup ig

[hollow glade]

Log spam will kill speed if it's every frame

[opal cove]

hmm they might have changed the underlying color grading

which would explain why all the shaders were changed

the blacks feel lifted even more than the previous patch with my current settings

[mighty moss]

Yeah I noticed that too

[opal cove]

wait

nvm

it's not

probably a mix of both the game and renoDX change

@hollow glade you changed the curve from danielle to reinhard right

and i assumed maple just merged the changes over the past few months

[hollow glade]

at contrast 50 they're equal

[opal cove]

I had mine at 80

[night wind]

hmm yeah i'm getting these big stutters every second or so with renodx that aren't present without it

even just staring at a wall with nothing

oh yeah it does seem to be log spam

only had the game open for a bit and its 100mb, can't even view the log tab without dropping to 5 fps

[opal cove]

yixuan hollow zero special investigation stage will trigger clamping on 0.8 res

[night wind]

wipeout screen also still clamped in the new drive disc stage

[opal cove]

gambling addiction screen is clamped

[orchid coyote]

Is this better than RTX HDR?

The game looks great in RTX AutoHDR but the UI is a bit dark

[karmic atlas]

RTX HDR / AutoHDR are both ITM (Inverse Tone Mapping)

They take the SDR presentation and stretch it to 'HDR' ranges

Any details lost due to SDR clamping cannot be recovered with ITM methods

[opal cove]

the UI is a bit dark?

what the fuck lol

the issue with autohdr solutions is that they hit UI and make them way too bright

[orchid coyote]

So if I understand correctly, RenoDX hooks into the rendering engine and can provide more details because of the raw pre-clamped input?

[karmic atlas]

Yes, RenoDX is able to change / upgrade in game shaders at runtime to support HDR output

it isnt a post process after the fact like with typical reshade .fx

ITM solutions are also post process filters since they run 'on-top' of the original SDR presentation

The only 'magic sauce' in ITM would be the ML based de-banding algo with RTX HDR

SDR / ITM / RenoDX

[orchid coyote]

Why ITM is locked on 600nits and RenoDX displays up to 4000 here?

[karmic atlas]

ITM will literally stretch everything that is close to 'white' in SDR to 'HDR' nit brightness. Running ITM at +1000nits will scorch your eyeballs as your APL will shoot up

Reno displays 4000nits to showcase that certain parts of the scene can indeed hit that for peak brightness in a small area

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exwx4jJxZlQ&t=173s

Look at this, Nintendo is using ITM method

That does not look fun to watch for me let alone play for hours on end

No extra highlight detail (since it is still relying on SDR source and everything is clamped)
average brightness is astronomical
1/3 or more of the scene is entirely blownout

[orchid coyote]

They didn't tone map the flagship game of the system?
lol

you would think that adding HDR support would mean native HDR in at least 1st party games

[karmic atlas]

Nearly every game on the Switch 2 is using ITM for HDR

Shortfuse is testing it all atm

it is abysmal

brightness for the sake of high brightness

This is why HDR output as a whole is treated as gimmick

Either

1. Game native implementation of HDR is abysmal (gamma mismatch, completely disregards SDR grading, broken colour space, ect ect)

2. People first try out point 1, see the games HDR is ass and then default to ITM solutions like RTX HDR (since they don't suffer from gamma mismatch, different grading and so on). However, ITM has issues on its own of not being true HDR and is just stretching everything for higher brightness

[hollow glade]

see #1382389414050922570

[opal cove]

Is there any example of true native or is it just itm and itm + separate ui pass currently

[hollow glade]

have yet to see on personally. even the Cyberpunk shots look sus

fast fusion is almost definitely ITM.

[orchid coyote]

Any idea why my game crashes instantly with latest ReShade and this profile?

Disabled AutoHDR, and cannot get it running

ReShade logs don't show any issues

Oh wait, removing the ReShade folder and leaving the dll only worked

The Client component is running abnormaly, please restart the client.

Did I run into some anti-hooking solution? lol

[feral gulch]

You should load ReShade with Special K for this game

[north delta]

sorry but where is the link to the latest version download of this mod?

[feral gulch]

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[opal cove]

@strong tide was looking at yixuan's ult and there's one where it's obviously clamped but the uberpost before the UI is already patched

not sure what's going on there

yixuan ult 1 (the one where she holds the talisman) and yixuan ult 2 (the one where she throws the BALL) uses the same uberpost before UI but on ult2 it's clamped

[strong tide]

well that's a problem

what about the other instances of clamping?

[opal cove]

was able to find unpatched uberpost easy enough

What about a Blit

was able to find one below an uberpost, turning that off stops the image from rendering like the uberpost too

[strong tide]

ah fuck

[opal cove]

is it the extra blit that comes with 0.8 render scale

[strong tide]

probably
a blit is just copying a texture on the GPU to another texture on the GPU
what's probably happening is that the output of the uberpost isn't getting upgraded to r16g16b16a16_float

[strong tide]

this was on the yixuan's ult?

[opal cove]

nah, when I do 0.8 render scale

yx ult 2 that gets clamped is uberpost -> UI

[opal cove]

@strong tide is it the shader labeled gaussian blur or is it soemthing different

there's like three shader that shows gaussian blur at the end and another shader that shows the output from those three shader

[strong tide]

it isn't the blur shader

[opal cove]

oh rip

at least a lot of the shaders i found are overlapping

a shader that triggers in some cutscene also triggers when having wipeout

[opal cove]

0xC50B5561.ps_4_0 - Uberpost - Yixuan Sprint & Ultimate (Talisman) in Hollow open world sections, 40 energy bosses, Lost void

0x97B92B72.ps_4_0 - Uberpost - Letterboxed cutscene (Observation Singularity), WIPEOUT screen in Expert Challenge new boss and a lot of other places

0xA3437034.ps_4_0 - Uberpost - Shiyu WIPEOUT screen

0xFA50C268.ps_4_0 - Uberpost - Gambling screen

0x8674BE1F.ps_4_0 - Blit (Only when using 0.8 scale) - talking to characters, etc.

@strong tide

I've got no idea about yixuan's ball ult though
0x125b5714 is the shader that i got from the snapshot but as said before it's still clamping somewhere else

not sure I should look forward or look back further in the snapshot list

[strong tide]

Thanks, I'll take a look

[orchid coyote]

Finally got the RenoDX set up.
Is this supposed to be bland sRGB + slightly brighter highlights?

Kinda disappointed as RTX HDR had more color.

[silver lantern]

defaults are supposed to be accurate but there are sliders to make it look how you want

[karmic atlas]

The games default SDR grading is washed out, Reno is following it accurately

If you want more 'pop' do

Sat 80
Blowout 80
Contrast 80

Then adjust from there

That's what Spiwar was using

[orchid coyote]

For "Peak Brightness" I assume I should put the highest amount my screen can display?
So 1200 in this case?

[orchid coyote]

LG WOLED with the Peak 1000 mode

[silver lantern]

Peak 10% is what people usually use

If it’s a monitor then it’s all fake bs cause of abl

I use true black 400 mode

[orchid coyote]

Doesn't it also have ABL?
not as bad as Peak1000 but it's still there.

[silver lantern]

On my Samsung it doesn’t have abl. well I guess ever monitor even LCDs have ABL but it’s negligible

I think in order for it to qualify for tb400 it has to have like no ABL

I can keep something bright on my screen for a long time and see no dimming

Hdr1000 is unusable on my monitor

[potent nimbus]

What monitor do you have?

[silver lantern]

Samsung g80sd

[solemn pasture]

So reshade shaders are not usable in this mode?

[orchid coyote]

How did you come to that conclusion?

This is Special K

The scRGB special K is just HDR pass through

what happens next doesn't concern the Special K GUI

Afaik

But tbh I went back to RTX HDR as despite it over brightening white, I didn't want to bother with the sliders lol

[solemn pasture]

It brakes shaders

And I can't start reshade in early mode

Only Lazy

[karmic atlas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGyCrPjbSSM

Relationship with ZZZ has ended

We really got gatcha GTA before GTA 6

https://tenor.com/view/dawg-gif-9809482320226184314

UE5

[opal cove]

hopefully it's actually decent instead of being a wet fart like what TOF was

[karmic atlas]

what constitutes decent / good gatcha?

Good story / OST?

non egregious monitisation?

FUN gameplay

[opal cove]

preferrably some fun combination of all

The only thing TOF really had was it's sorta like gacha but MMO

so there's hub world
and people hanging around and stuff

OST was also pretty okay, the fireworks song was really a nice moment

but yeah gameplay is jank and got boring, not to mention they just forgo balance and powercrept pretty quickly

graphics is like, cool with RTX, but art direction is lacking (kinda like this NTE trailer but even worse)

story is well, let's say I use the skip button every chance I get

[potent nimbus]

That was a peak moment. Made me forget the rest of the jank for like 10 minutes

[orchid coyote]

RTX + HDR

[karmic atlas]

• multiframeslop

https://tenor.com/view/omg-looking-wrestling-wwe-vince-mc-mahon-gif-15026518

Atleast I know I can lock to 55FPS then use 4x AI hallucinations to cope with trash UE5 perf

No wait

UE5

Fukkkkkk

ShortFuse fix FG

[mighty moss]

ZZZ if hoyo decided to actually start using the dlss files shipped within the game files itself thats been collecting dust since 1.0

[karmic atlas]

Literally

[orchid coyote]

MFG x2 is actually pretty cool.
Definitely better than the Lossless Scaling implementation lol

[orchid coyote]

Tried it on ZZZ recently
dear god the ghosting

[karmic atlas]

LSFG is the last ditch effort if nothing else works

But I run ZZZ at a locked 120

So FG is meh

[orchid coyote]

Even on Lumina Square?

[orchid coyote]

This area is so badly optimized I get drops to 40-50

On a Ryzen 7 5800X/RTX 4070Ti setup

[karmic atlas]

What part of the game is that? I haven't played too much of ZZZ

Been jumping between games

The game thus far for me has been a locked 120 at 4K 1.2 render scale max settings

With 70ish % GPU utilisation

[mighty moss]

I sidegraded from 7900xtx to 9070xt recently, while the latter has usually performed about as well if not better in most games i play, zzz is not one of those unfortunately (going from like 70-120fps to 55-110fps at 4k)

Lost like 10-15% fps making that switch in this game

So if dlss was a thing (and i use optiscaler to inject fsr4) that would be well appreciated for me

[karmic atlas]

Just checked pics, yh I haven't reached that area yet

But wtf it looks very similar to NTE area

[orchid coyote]

What hardware are you using lol

[karmic atlas]

NASA PC

9800X3D PBO + tuned DDR5 + 5090 melting edition

[orchid coyote]

Oh yeah, then it's no wonder

The game works fine until you reach that area

It's broken

[karmic atlas]

No occlusion culling type beat

After having read that Metaphor Refantazio frame analysis

[mighty moss]

New area (failume heights) hits even harder than lumina square tbh

But i think its more gpu heavy than cpu unlike lumina

[orchid coyote]

Yeah

I noticed lol

The new Hollow is.....well

I get short drops to 30fps

30-100

2.0 is more broken than before

[karmic atlas]

CP2077 called

[orchid coyote]

Also the anti aliasing is kinda bad even on 1.2 render scale