✅RenoDX: Unreal Engine

[neat wigeon]

i see i see

[jovial trout]

like here this fire is yellow because that's just what ACES does to bright orange/red. Maybe they wanted it yellow, maybe it's just the way it was and they ran with it.

anyway, I guess what I'm saying is to trust your gut with it lol

[neat wigeon]

im guessing you're referring to the sdr/sldiers at 0 pictures?

[jovial trout]

talking about sdr reference

[neat wigeon]

i see what you mean then

when you were originally explaining it thought you meant it was a nessicarry thing that counteracts a side effect of renodrt

hut seems its more of an addative thing

[jovial trout]

oh, no, it's applying to the SDR tonemapper

per channel correction stuff that is

[neat wigeon]

i see i see

yeah i think ima have to give up on banishers and just used the fucked up forced ini hdr

the game just no work

with reno i mean

and i dont know if any of the modders have the game

[quick sedge]

@neat wigeon show it, what it looks like?

[neat wigeon]

ini hdr or reno?

[quick sedge]

Reno is more interesting, I think

[neat wigeon]

I would if it didn’t crash :)

[quick sedge]

I wanna play games with HDR

[neat wigeon]

me too buddy

[earnest bolt]

Oh you can play robocop 1 in hdr with ultra+

[verbal thicket]

Is there any point enabling all resource upgrades in UE game? I dont see any artifacts after doing so. The game is The Ascent

[neat wigeon]

as i understand it, itll either fix something or do nothing/cause issues

id leave them alone unless you're noticing an issue that could be solved

normally its very obvious though

black screen on boot, stuff clipped to paperwhite, etc

[maiden sphinx]

can cause problems and crashes, and not all games use all resource types

and for the ascent, you only need to upgrade BGRA8 typeless to output size

[verbal thicket]

thanks

[neat wigeon]

using ini hdr you need to apply gamma correction, right?

@bold gulch ^

[bold gulch]

ya but it also strips a lot of custom grading if you do ini hdr

as opposed to ue renodx

[neat wigeon]

its my only option left sadly

i cant get the unreal mod to work with banishers

consistent crashing

and now ive discovered i cant use ini hdr with specialK because the game lacks an engine.ini and UUU doesnt work with specialK

[quick sedge]

Usually I can't get any other command to work except r.HDR.UI.Level, I guess

There is no way I can adjust the brightness of games when I use ini HDR

[bold gulch]

Lilium brightness adjustment shader

I think ue5 has some parameters

[elfin lance]

we really need to get reno to support ini hdr

its a few lines in addon.cpp

and then we need to add the composite shaders (theres only 1 per UE version -- 5.1/5.2, etc and a few secs to fix)

the benefits are framegen working + potentially better perf because reno wont be doing any swapchain/resource upgrades

[quick sedge]

I often get other framegen glitches when using native UE HDR, but it would still be a right move

As an option

If it works as it should and has working settings

[warped lynx]

now we are back to asking for ini hdr support lol

[elfin lance]

I mean its all there

I made my own build

that has ini hdr support

fixed composite shader for a UE version and everything

all we really need is a slider that enables/disables renodx swapchain::Use() [ini hdr off/on]

and then start fixing composite shaders

[ashen herald]

We inch towards Wuwu with trans frameslop being a reality ever closer

[neat wigeon]

yes please

[quick sedge]

But if RenoDX: UE won't work with some game, it won't work with ini HDR enabled either 🤔

[thorny silo]

@elfin lance I found this for DQ11. There is another one which is already covered but not the right one for the scene.

[elfin lance]

I'll look into it later

its almost 5am

[thorny silo]

thanks in advance

[elfin lance]

@thorny silo that lutbuilder is useless; did you dump it with ini hdr on?

[thorny silo]

no, the dump actually doesn't give me any shader

I dumped all shaders and searched

[elfin lance]

maybe it was from when you had ini hdr on earlier or the game made one

its not a regular lutbuilder

reminds me ofa native hdr lutbuilder

[thorny silo]

this lutbuilder is already in the addon, but sliders still don't do anything

[elfin lance]

dq11 might not be using a lutbuilder then

you can make a custom addon

add that lutbuilder in

set the output to like 1 1 1, return

and see if there is any difference

[thorny silo]

I can confirm that it uses the lut builder

I set the o0 *=2 and changed the brightness -> x2 bright

[elfin lance]

ok

[thorny silo]

it uses the lut above

[elfin lance]

set blowout to 100 in the UE addon

and restart the game

[thorny silo]

its all black and white now

[elfin lance]

intersting

it seems DQ11 seems to work out of the box

just the lutbuilder doesnt draw in real time

[thorny silo]

sliders work, I just need to reset the lutbuilder.

[elfin lance]

per-scene lutbuilders on an ancient version of UE

I'm surprsied

[thorny silo]

by changing gamma

[elfin lance]

get the devkit out

are there game shaders

after the sample shader

or is it lutbuilder -> game -> ui

[thorny silo]

game -> ui

yes it works out of the box, the Blue Sun is just because of the per channel hue shift

[elfin lance]

yea per ch correction does funky stuff

I had pink flashlights in one game

guess thats mystery solved

[thorny silo]

ouch its because of the per channel blowout restoration

thats weird because when I set scene grading to 0, the sun is red

[elfin lance]

yep

well

you dont want to mess with scene grading

but yea blowout restoration is part of per ch correction

sometimes setting that to 0 helps fix things up

[unborn verge]

@elfin lance The Callisto Protocol works with Upgrade_B8G8R8A8_TYPELESS=1, Upgrade_CopyDestinations=1 & Upgrade_R10G10B10A2_UNORM=1, Here's the lutbuilder

[elfin lance]

if it works why is there a lutbuilder

might be a native hdr lutbuilder, lets c

yep

its the native hdr lutbuilder

[unborn verge]

By works, I mean you can get in the game, and it displays anything, which didn't happen before when I've tried to get renodx to work

Previously it either crashed or showed black screen

[elfin lance]

do the grading slider works

like

blowout

[unborn verge]

No, that's why I posted the lutbuilder

[elfin lance]

try blowout 100, and see if it makes the game black and white -- and if it doesnt restart the game to see if its per scene

also share reshade.log real fast

[elfin lance]

also make sure native hdr is off

[unborn verge]

nope

[unborn verge]

it is

[elfin lance]

maybe it uses a compute shader lutbuilder

you'd need a devkit for that

[unborn verge]

[elfin lance]

because the above lutbuilder is useless

[unborn verge]

is there an easy way to dump it?

[elfin lance]

you'd dump all shaders

all 10 thousand of them

then you'd convert .cso to .hlsl

all 10 thousand of them

and then use something like notepad++ to search all the .hlsl files for a constnat

like y from ap1

like 0.2722

[unborn verge]

I can dump them and convert them and post them here

[elfin lance]

well if you know how to convert to hlsl

the only shaders we're interested in are the ones that have 0.2722 in them

this is how you search in a folder with np++

find what: 0.2722

filters: *.hlsl

directory: the dump folder

as for converting to hlsl, you use the 3dm cmd_decompiler with decompile.cmd to convert .cso -> hlsl

and you dump with the devkit

get in game, and click "dump all"

its almost 7am and bedge time; so if you dont know how I can help you out tomorrow

actually 1 sec

@unborn verge after you dump all with the devkit, put both of those files in the /dump/ folder with the .cso files -- and run decompile.cmd -- it will convert all cso to hlsl

(this only works on shader model 4/5 -- files with like ps_5_0 in them; if it has 6 in them you need different tools)

[verbal thicket]

what can be done with banishers constantly crashing with reno?

[unborn verge]

I've made this pack lol

[elfin lance]

I just made the zip with files from my folder

but I guess people shared those 2 files 10000x times

[unborn verge]

Well I've posted the similar one here before

[elfin lance]

yea its nothing new

either way that means you know what to do

gl

load game with devkit -> get in game -> click "dump all" in the devkit -> close game -> convert cso to hlsl -> search all hlsl for 0.2722

files with 0.2722 are what we want

[verbal thicket]

how exactly does this help you?

[elfin lance]

its just another way of getting lutbuilders

[verbal thicket]

why we need them?

[elfin lance]

thats how the unreal mod works

there is a dump shaders option, the community dumps shaders, we fix them; and it adds games to the supported list

[verbal thicket]

Ok, I can to this with Banishers

[elfin lance]

but the unreal addon isnt able to dump all the lutbuilders (what we need for the unreal mod) -- usually only compute shaders -- so you have to find those manually

[verbal thicket]

but problem is that reno already works in the game, but game constantly crahses

[elfin lance]

no need to do that with banishers

and adding shaders wont make it crash less

the lutbuilders they use seem a bit custom, and I cant fix them without owning the game to see what I'm doing

so somebody who owns banishers needs to look into it

[verbal thicket]

I own it 😄

but I dont know what to do anyway

[elfin lance]

its ok

[unborn verge]

@elfin lance

[elfin lance]

thats a lot of lutbuilders

a lot of them are CS too

which need manual fixs

if all CS lutbuilders are RWTexture3D thats not a big deal

this is an interesting find

// 3Dmigoto declarations
#define cmp -
Texture1D<float4> IniParams : register(t120);
Texture2D<float4> StereoParams : register(t125);

never saw 3dm define anything outside of cmp

[quick sedge]

It's strange, but in RoboCop during human gameplay the 500 nit limit goes away. It easily goes to 2000. I wonder if the 500 nit clamping could be some part of "RoboCop vision"

[neat wigeon]

Does it spit out another lutdump?

[quick sedge]

V-Sync said here that LUT dumping doesn't work in this game

[left narwhal]

What did G-Sync say?

[ashen herald]

Free-sync in the corner

https://tenor.com/view/lebowski-amateurs-walter-gif-19258725

[neat wigeon]

Oh I’m not sure then

[quick sedge]

But they still left that lens dirt texture on the screen, even though you're not RoboCop in this scene and you're not supposed to have that

[thorny silo]

float4 
GenerateOutput(uint OutputDevice = 0u) {
  renodx::draw::Config config = GetOutputConfig(OutputDevice);

  float3 untonemapped_graded = renodx::draw::ComputeUntonemappedGraded(RENODX_UE_CONFIG.untonemapped_bt709, RENODX_UE_CONFIG.graded_bt709, config);

  float3 color = untonemapped_graded;

  if (CUSTOM_LUT_OPTIMIZATION == 0.f) {
    config.gamma_correction = 0.f;
  } else {
    color = renodx::draw::ToneMapPass(untonemapped_graded, config);
  }

  color = renodx::draw::RenderIntermediatePass(color, config);
  color *= 1.f / 1.05f;
  return float4(color, 1.f);
}

@elfin lance do you know why there is a color *= 1/1.05 at the end?

[elfin lance]

yes

UE's lutbuilder encodes * 0.95 at the end

https://github.com/marat569/renodx/blob/360471abc71a4d85e000ab7ff02c53177e2384be/src/games/unrealengine/lutbuilders/sm5/lutbuilder_0x0C26F82E.ps_5_x.hlsl#L1511

and then the sample shaders decode * 1.05

[thorny silo]

interesting

[elfin lance]

the * 1.05 is the same as that *0.95 encoding to keep things consistant

[warped lynx]

yo marat

do you happen to have a link to that fork?

[elfin lance]

what fork?

[warped lynx]

with the unreal engine native support

[elfin lance]

ohh no, its just something on my pc

and only supports 1 composite shader

I used for testing

[warped lynx]

oh

anyway Rune Factory crashes when transitioning to some cutscenes

[elfin lance]

amd gpu?

[warped lynx]

nvidia

albeit on an outdated driver

[elfin lance]

@quick sedge RoboCop has all the lutbuilders it uses built into UE already -- the 500 nit issue is from the 3 custom post process shaders that draw after the generic UE stuff

try updating drivers or

-d3d11

[warped lynx]

oh damn good idea

yo what -d3d11 actually works for once

adds a lot of stutter though

[elfin lance]

weird

[warped lynx]

probably no shader precomp

[thorny silo]

@elfin lance I fixed the blue Sun in DQ11 by moving the per channel correction to the final step in the LUT builder, instead of at SetTonemappedBT709

🤔 its how it is in ToneMapPass, per channel correction after grading

[elfin lance]

interesting

another game I tried had pink flashlight highlights instead of white

with perchcorrection

[thorny silo]

I guess its because of the grading function after correction

[elfin lance]

you want to correct torwards untonemapped, but in unreal/aces untonemapped can be a completely diff color idk

like disable per channel correction, and set grading strength to 0

thats what perch correction is comparing against iirc

[thorny silo]

yes its quite different

[thorny silo]

would be great if the unreal addon has another option to apply per channel correction for graded_bt709

[warped lynx]

significantly less hitching on my good rig 🤔

its less annoying overall actually despite targetting 120fps

[warped lynx]

yo marat

do you remember what was wrong with stellar blade's dlss and renodx in the demo?

[elfin lance]

nothing

[warped lynx]

wait what

[elfin lance]

the demo just played a movie

and that was broken

[warped lynx]

I could have sworn that it caused issues

[elfin lance]

no, the issues where (probably) from upgrading the promo movie at the end of the demo

but since the full game doesnt have that movie, the full game had no issues

[warped lynx]

let me see if I took a screenshot

do you remember this

or this

last one

[thorny silo]

@elfin lance I found some lutbuilders as compute shaders during auto dump, not sure if they are used or not

[elfin lance]

auto dump with the unreal engine addon?

that shouldnt be able to dump CS

some games use CS

the only way to get cs should be to manually find them

if they're used or not is another thing

if a game has any form of pre-compilation

it might make a ton of lutbuilders

that are useless

[thorny silo]

autodump with devkit, and then I find them based on AP1 numbers

[elfin lance]

ah

if the game is already using PS lutbuilders

and you know it is

I highly doubt the CS lutbuilders are used

[thorny silo]

👍

if the ini HDR doesn't use the same LUT Builder with grading, then we can't fix it, I guess

[elfin lance]

usually ini hdr uses the same lutbuilders

but native hdr might generate a new lutbuilder

and that new lutbuilder might not have the sdr grading in it

like stellar blade, enable native hdr = new lutbuilders, and they dont have any of the sdr grading

but if you enable ini hdr (only 1 cvar); it doesnt enable native hdr -- but creates an hdr swapchain

and uses the sdr lutbuilders; just uses a different path (output device 3) -- which doesnt matter for us since we return before the output devices

[warm mortar]

Not sure what you guys did, but Visions of Mana works in DX12 now. Very nice.

[spare bane]

Changed a bunch of internal stuff. Maybe RoboCop doesn't crash left and right anymore either

[earnest bolt]

ultraplus can force ue hdr anyway, it's been working fine for me, no crashes

[quick sedge]

I've only had 2 crashes in a couple of days so far

[quartz ember]

Can Reno be used to stay in SDR but benefit of stuff like lowering UI brightness for games that do not have it native?

[spare bane]

If you set scRGB

[verbal thicket]

Why dont use scrgb always?

[bold gulch]

Frame gen needs hdr10

[verbal thicket]

If i dont care about fg?

Is there a benefit of using scrgb?

Bit depth is higher = better quality?

[bold gulch]

scRGB can be used in both sdr and hdr

[thorny silo]

Technically scrgb can allow for even wider color gamuts than BT2020 but no screen can display, so its futuristic

[maiden sphinx]

@elfin lance Celestial Empire lutbuilder

[elfin lance]

I'll take a look at it later

[warm flame]

There is only one game I've played where there is a noticeable difference in tech, and that's the crew motorfest. I wouldn't say there was a night and day difference but it was big enough to be noticeable. At least in the benchmark scene.

It also used more bt2020 color space on average than hdr10.

[thorny silo]

it sounds like an implementation error, for example they forgot to convert BT2020 -> BT709 -> saturation drug

[elfin lance]

in 2025, hdr10 is better than scRGB because its a wire format

so your display doesnt have to process scRGB -> hdr10 -- it gets to skip that step

so a bit less vram

also since most (99%) UE games are R10G10B10A2_unorm by default, hdr10 is usually a safer fit than scRGB

[thorny silo]

I just think that usually if a game (mod or native) has a noticeable difference between 2 modes, there is something wrong

personally I used to forget to convert BT709 -> BT2020 before converting to PQ

[elfin lance]

for sure

[neat wigeon]

did you ever get a chance to take a look at this?

[neat wigeon]

@bold gulch the hue correction slider is gonna push hues shifts towards the actual texture color at higher values and towards the sdr appearance at lower values, right?

[bold gulch]

In UE it should push towards the real color of the texture

[neat wigeon]

with 0 not combating sdr tonemapping hue shifts at all im guessing?

[bold gulch]

I think if you want vanilla hues completely you have to disable all the per channel correction related sliders

Hue correction, saturation correction, hue shift, blowout restoration

All to 0

And you’ll get vanilla saturation and hues

[neat wigeon]

but then highlights will have 0 color restore, right?

wish there was a way i could have the highlight clipped colors restored without hue shift correcting things that aren't even remotely close to highlights

[bold gulch]

Maybe hue shift to 100 and blowout restoration to whatever you want and the others to 0

Haven’t ever used per channel correction in my mods so idk

[neat wigeon]

hue shift to 100 casues it to look more like the texture, no?

oh wait i see

lol

[thorny silo]

does blending (lerp) colors with and without correction based on luminance work here

[bold gulch]

Hue correction 100 does

Per channel correction is doing some lerp stuff

[neat wigeon]

so if hue correction restores color from sdr shifts

what does hue shift actually do?

is that strengh of hue shift from the hdr tonemap?

[neat wigeon]

cant really reduce sat correction. fire goes to megenta

[bold gulch]

Per channel correction applies before the hdr tonemap and the upgrade to hdr

It takes the sdr tonemap and undoes the hue shifting and blowout

Honestly idk how it works haven’t looked at the code

Never had a reason to use it

[neat wigeon]

im just curiuous what the intended effect of it is because hue shift and hue correction read like theyd be the same thing to me lol

[bold gulch]

they're the opposite

hue correction shows the original color

hue shift shows the shifted color

[celest ginkgo]

Hi @Musa, so I want to change the native HDR in a UE5 game called Steel Seed, the game uses SM 6.6 which is not compatible with the current SM 5.0 decompiler, the newest dxc can be used, but only to get the .asm file, you cannot get the hlsl and the shdr file currently with that matter, So I assume you do it differently for the UE5 games, so can you tell me what do you guys do for any newer UE5 games? To enable HDR and/or to fix native HDR in newest games such as Steel Seed? I want to joint the HDR mod community and test and add more RenoDX HDR modded games. I assume I have to first use the renodx-unrealengine.addon64 file, then run the game in SDR, then dump the shaders? Or does the universal renodx-unrealengine.addon64 file work on any UE4/UE5 out of the box?

[bold gulch]

Requires shortfuse’s decompiler

The generic unreal mod has a dump lutbuilder option though

If you turn that on

Then you can play and drop the file here that gets put in your folder and someone will add it to the mod

It’s also possible that the mod already has the shader

[celest ginkgo]

Ok, so here is what I did so far, I just used the generic unreal mod, with R10G10B10A2_UNORM to output size, then I got the game working, already looks far better than SDR, but some things do work while others dont; the game can have the peak brightness adjusted, UI brightness adjusted (adjusts the game brightness though), Game brightness does not adjust anything, and most of the advanced settings like contrast, shadows, exposure, highlights do not work. So what does that tell me?

[bold gulch]

that means the lutbuilders haven't been added

so it's not outputting actual hdr

the controls for game brightness, peak, and grading are all in the lutbuilder

that means you have to turn the dump lutbuilder option on and post the file it dumps into your folder here

well dump the lutbuilder from sdr

cause the generic ue mod requires hdr off as it uses sdr as a base

[celest ginkgo]

Aha, understood, how long to play the game until lutbuilder is dumped? I have both windows HDR off and in-game HDR off

[bold gulch]

It should dump immediately once you get into gameplay

Windows hdr can be on

Just in game should be off

It’s possible it’s one of those games where the sliders don’t apply in real time but it’s working

If that’s the case then you can set blowout to 0 and reboot the game and if it’s black and white then that means it’s working

[celest ginkgo]

Hmm, I have RenoDX addon enabled and set to vanilla, trace and dump shaders enabled, Windows HDR on, in-game HDR off, I still don't get the renodx folder with the lutbuilder. Adjust blowout to 0, restarting the nothing changes either, I only have

[elfin lance]

blowout to 100

blowout 0 does nothing

but if blowout 100 + game restart does nothing -- and dump lutbuilders doesnt dump lutbuilders -- maybe the game uses Compute Shaders -- the mod isnt able to auto-dump those

[verbal thicket]

ive got this lutbuilder dumped in Banishers with latest generic ue addon

[elfin lance]

banishers does custom stuff, cant fix it since I dont own the game

[verbal thicket]

do i understand correctly that it will not dump if its already added in addon?

[elfin lance]

when it comes to custom stuff, I want to see the changes inr eal time

[elfin lance]

nope, there are a few missing banishers lutbuilders

[verbal thicket]

oh ok

[elfin lance]

but you are right, if a lutbuilder is in the mod; it wont dump (or else everybody would get tons of useless lutbuilders)

[verbal thicket]

banishers demo is older build?

[elfin lance]

no idea

[verbal thicket]

nevertheless, ue addon is working for me

it stopped crashing after I finished prologue

[elfin lance]

maybe the lutbuilders are unused then, who knows

[verbal thicket]

thats very different behaviour then Scrungus's

[elfin lance]

if the game works just fine

[verbal thicket]

well, candles are bit strange, but its ok i think 😄

[warm lion]

once u can switch between characters, it's clamped if playing as that woman 😄

[verbal thicket]

špoilerš

[verbal thicket]

with reno mod?

maybe creators intent 😄

[warm lion]

yeah, no just some atypical lutbuilder 😄

[bold gulch]

Oof meant blowout 100 lol

[warm lion]

i ended up force enabling game console and playing with native ue hdr 😦

[verbal thicket]

i cant get it to work

[warm lion]

https://opm.fransbouma.com/uuuv5.htm
only uuu manages to enable console in that game, then I always put the whole set of commands like this:
r.SceneColorFringeQuality 0|r.MotionBlur.Amount 0.5|r.MotionBlurQuality 3|r.MotionBlurSeparable 1|r.MotionBlur.TargetFPS 0|r.Tonemapper.Quality 3|r.AllowHDR 1|r.HDR.EnableHDROutput 1|r.HDR.Display.OutputDevice 4|r.HDR.Display.ColorGamut 2|r.HDR.UI.CompositeMode 1|r.HDR.UI.Level 0.6

all of them apply at once 😄

[verbal thicket]

its paid stuff = unacceptable

[neat wigeon]

i got it for free somewhere

dont remember lol

[verbal thicket]

is piracy a taboo on this server?

[spare bane]

yes

rule 5

[verbal thicket]

and 4

[neat wigeon]

@spare bane are you still a laptop gamer?

[spare bane]

i have a 5090 desktop and 4050 laptop

[neat wigeon]

no i mean you said you only had access to your laptop for a bit

[spare bane]

i'm on my pc now

[neat wigeon]

any chance you could take a peak at eternal strands? i know you mentioned you'd be down before

[spare bane]

i'll try to get to it this week. got a backlog

[neat wigeon]

appreciate it

[quick sedge]

So we need a separate mod for Banishers 🤔

[verbal thicket]

Game is unstable for some people when using generic addon, reason unknown

[neat wigeon]

missing a lut builder as well

the issue is that doesnt seem anyone who devs the mods actually owns the game lmao

[verbal thicket]

Do devs accept gifts?

[neat wigeon]

im sure they do

ive seen pumbo mention that hes not opposed to it before but i cant really speak for anyone else

[quick sedge]

a gift for all of them? 🤔

[neat wigeon]

considering a lot of them have a kofi i wouldnt be surprised

[verbal thicket]

Sharing steam acc definitely not welcome here?

Generally sus

[neat wigeon]

i would certainly be surprised if anyone was willing to do that

[verbal thicket]

I think that “i buy u a game, u mod it for me” is not very ok neither. If i spend 20 eur on smth I definitely would like to get smth in return 😂 but its toxic vibe

[quick sedge]

Or we just need more modders 🤔

[neat wigeon]

start learning to code then 👍

that sounded much more aggressive than i meant it to

[quick sedge]

What is a LUT? And what is a lutbuilder?

[verbal thicket]

Ask ai

[quick sedge]

Can AI make an HDR mod?

[topaz quail]

a lut (look up table) is used for color grading
A lutbuilder builds a lut

[topaz quail]

in my experience ai is really unhelpful for doing reno stuff

[quick sedge]

It can confuse the basic stuff

[verbal thicket]

Hlsl and cpp programming is hard stuff. A lot of context needed

Reno modders are geniuses in that regard

[quick sedge]

Yes, something that leading game programmers can't do

[verbal thicket]

Its also hard to explain normies why it even matters

For most gamers rtx hdr/winautohdr is already super cool

[bold gulch]

yes

[thorny silo]

LUT = look up table, it takes a color and return a color. For example, the Dragon Quest XI LUT I am looking at, seems to de-colorize in the red direction and increase intensity by adding more green. (this might be an error on my end though)

(the blue Sun is the result of mapping the red Sun)

a LUT builder is a function that generates that look up table.

[quick sedge]

so bright

[spare bane]

People have bought me games to mod, and I've done it. Though the ones willing to spend money also realized they can mod things themselves

[jovial trout]

idk if there are other modders this happened to but I already had that sleepy dogs key in my humble account rotting away 😂

[verbal thicket]

Probably not my case heh
I cant code and idk how to mod, theres no guide

[thorny silo]

Plasma's stream is actually useful to setup the first steps

you can learn to fix God of War

its still very time consuming (8 hour stream)

[celest ginkgo]

I will try with blowout to 100 + restart the game after work today. If the Steel Seed game uses compute shaders, will you guys add support in the near future for that, or can we do it manually using the Renodx devkit, which I have already built on my PC.

[maiden sphinx]

I wishlisted 7DTD a while ago on here and ended up making the mod myself with little prior programming experience besides (a bit of python scripting and web dev)

Ritsu’s video and Musa’s guide on the Plasma stream were both really helpful for getting started, and it’s a really helpful and insightful community we’ve got here that will support your learning

[maiden sphinx]

You should be able to find and dump it with the devkit if it’s a cs

[verbal thicket]

Should check it, im interested

[verbal thicket]

I hope that ai can assist the programming part. Maybe someone here will help

Id like to mod game called IXION, but its unity engine

AA game, relatively unpopular

[celest ginkgo]

Yes, yesterday after taking a snapshot while in game, I saw a nice amount of cs and ps in the snapshot list, I haven't fully yet read the devkit's capabilities or tried them all, but can we get a single LUTbuilder file or do we have to fetch all cs and ps from the game using the devkit if the generic UE RenoDX mod does not work in that case?

[verbal thicket]

https://www.youtube.com/live/IWE0RgDL7Pg?si=tQ2ZM90vu5aw5FQN

Is this correct? 5.5h stream? Is there something else? Ritsu video?

[celest ginkgo]

This one talks about setup, compiling the devkit, what to look for in a game such as GOW which is not a UE4/5 game, so no Unreal Engine mod talk here. So this video could be linked to RenoDX channel instead of RenoDX:Unreal Engine channel I guess

[past pasture]

I have never played Mass Effect but I installed the Legendary Edition. The PCGamingWiki says it is UE3 so I assume Renodx is compatible with all versions and not just 4 and 5?

[ashen herald]

Generic UE Reno isn't compatible

There's a specific Reno for LE though

[ashen herald]

https://discord.com/channels/1161035767917850784/1378545499480789124

[past pasture]

Ah ok. I did try it after my comment and it worked but the game seemed extremely bright at the very beginning. I'll have to test that version out then. I was not aware of the snapshot link with all the other games out there.

[warm lion]

btw I've tried renodx with the latest version of Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot, the Upgrade B8G8R8A8_TYPELESS was not enough to unclamp it, but found a workaround by accident, these variables which can be put in engine.ini

[/script/engine.renderersettings]
r.DefaultFeature.AntiAliasing=2
r.TemporalAA.Upsampling=1

then it's unclamped, colors are still a bit off compared to vanilla but can be tuned a bit 😄

[spare bane]

usually means you're bypassing their custom shader

which is why it's clamped in the first place

[warm lion]

yeah, although it at least partially does the job

ps5 got the proper hdr, dunno why it wasn't added to pc version as well 😦

[spare bane]

people use TVs on PS5 for proper HDR. pc "HDR" is pretty bad

[verbal thicket]

nono, its very good 😄

with mods

[warm lion]

that makes sense, most of the gaming displays offer some "hdr compatible" thing which is usually worse than sdr, I myself prefer pc gaming on an oled tv, gaming monitors are usually overpriced as hell

[warm lion]

should be ootb! 😄

[verbal thicket]

ps5 hdr is shit ootb

and cant be fixed

system level calibration works in 3 and a half games... so yeah... not so great

[warm lion]

oh yeah, in titles with messed up gamma and lifted blacks, PC at least lets u fix things 😄

[jovial trout]

there are 3 shaders that follow tonemapping that are custom and very much for SDR. I tried modifying them, but tbh kinda lost interest when it wasn't super straight forward. It's possible it could work perfectly fine with this mod tbh https://www.nexusmods.com/dragonballzkakarot/mods/19

honestly I'd recommend the mod in general, idk why they use a sun glare that's just an overlay and not actually dynamic with any light source

[elfin lance]

berserker has a mod similar too that, but without the color grading shaders it looks super sterile and fucked up

but fixing the grading shaders there wasnt that big of a deal

[bold gulch]

tonemapmaxcll at the start, upgradetonemap at the end

[jovial trout]

pretty sure that's what I tried

didn't look right

[bold gulch]

did you linearize

if lutbuilder first

[jovial trout]

I think so?

[bold gulch]

then you gotta undo srgb encoding and scaling

[jovial trout]

idk, I can't check, I deleted the shaders cause I stopped caring lol

[elfin lance]

yea invert intermediate ass

thats linear color

[jovial trout]

these shaders come after the output shader

iirc

[elfin lance]

then you make a sdr color with tonemapmaxcll or neutralsdr

and then a gamma color with srgb encode

[jovial trout]

oh there's a solid chance I forgot to convert the color back to gamma for it

[bold gulch]

if lutbuilder was first and you did tonemap there then don't use neutralsdr

[elfin lance]

here you go:
https://github.com/marat569/renodx/blob/main/src/games/bersekerKhazan/godray_0xCB359758.ps_5_0.hlsl

[jovial trout]

yeah you sent me it before

[elfin lance]

that works if you know the grading shader draws 100% of the time

in berserker the ingame fmvs only do lutbuilder + sample

I could do some cbuffer jank to check if the shaders exist

but the mod looks just fine as is; so its not a big deal

[bold gulch]

ya if the shader draws 100% of the time then you can defer display mapping

dbz sparking zero has a composite shader since it already has hdr

so you can just move displaymapping there

[jovial trout]

but yeah, I booted up the game, looked at the graphics update, went "cool", tried modding it, didn't go smooth, thought "I already 100% this game, am I really gonna play it again now?" and uninstalled

[warm lion]

unfortunately it crashes with the latest game update 😦

[jovial trout]

RIP

[warm lion]

lol okay, looks like it gets clamped with TAA on, with none or fxaa it's okay-ish

that's vanilla

with saturation correction 0 at least sky is not purple anymore ;(((

[elfin lance]

looks like the "blue vignette" is gone

which is probably what the post process fx shaders are doing

thats what they do in berserker

[warm lion]

just figured out what makes the game clamp again, resolution scale and my dumb ass using Upgrade_B8G8R8A8_TYPELESS=1 ;((( ofc with =2 it works just fine

[warm lion]

btw that's just main menu that looks so off, here's vanilla vs renodx w/default settings

[tulip gazelle]

Wuchang is busted

[jovial trout]

@spare bane getting an "unexpected goto" error when trying to decompile this lutbuilder

[spare bane]

Are you using --use-do-while ? Might need spirv cross

[jovial trout]

lemme try

no I was not to answer the question lol

that worked

thanks!

tbh idk what flags we've got for decomp, is it written anywhere?

[spare bane]

Type decomp.exe and it'll say

[jovial trout]

oh, duh

idk why I'm treating this like some abnormal cmd thing

[elfin lance]

@jovial trout don't forget -f too to flatten

-f --use-do-while is what I decomp all lutbuilders with

[jovial trout]

that's what I ended up using yeah

got the lutbuilder added, game is still weird and clamps sometimes

no other lutbuilders dumped

[elfin lance]

did you upgrade resources?

like bgr8_typeless or rgb10a2

[jovial trout]

maybe it needs 8 bit, didn't try. I'm not on the ball rn apparently

it does need rgb 10 bit unorm

[elfin lance]

like clair obscur needed

bgr8 typeless and unorm

also maybe try

"upgrade all shader destinations"

that will upgrade uavs too

stellar blade nee3ded it

[jovial trout]

I got devkit, lemme check

it'll need bgr8 unorm

[elfin lance]

what game

[jovial trout]

wuchang

[elfin lance]

pog

commit to repo

[jovial trout]

will do

also gotta pr that outlast trials lutbuilder

[elfin lance]

yea just pr all the lutbuilders you fixed into one

also for wuchang

you can add it to addon.cpp

so it auto upgrades

just use the product name

you can find the product name in reshade.log

[jovial trout]

will do, I remember how from tony hawk

[elfin lance]

theres an array in addon.cpp that controls game defaults

@spare bane is untonemapped ap1 always right before the branch with mobile tonemapper/etc [sm5]

normally I use constants to find it; since 99% of lutbuilders are the same

but banishers had a custom lutbuilder that did a few extra things; and since I dont own the game I cant test in real time

[neat wigeon]

banishers 😔

[jovial trout]

aspect ratio upgrades aren't catching dlss balanced mode...

upgrades work at full res, but the game also has a crashing issue with dlaa apparently

crashed with tsr too

hm

didn't catch quality mode either

fuck it, let's see if any size works without issues

crash

might be cooked

game has native hdr, no clue if it's good

oh, upgrades may not be necessary. I wasn't looking very hard and there are a ton of RTVs on these shaders

it wasn't clamping so it didn't make much sense, but it doesn't exactly look right either

maybe it's fine and this scene is just that muted

[neat wigeon]

what game?

[jovial trout]

wuchang

this just doesn't look right to me

there's a grading shader after output. If I output the ungraded color, it looks very similar

I'm gonna see what their native hdr looks like I guess

ignores their color grading

lot of contrast...

maybe I'm worried about nothing though

[jovial trout]

w/e, lemme just get it ready to post, though the game needs special work I think

@elfin lance is there a regex posted anywhere for sm6 lutbuilders?

[jovial trout]

might be kinda jank, but here's a build for wuchang

had to upgrade rgb10_unorm by any size because they use weird aspect ratio resources for cutscenes that change based on your monitor aspect ratio.

without that, you get clamped cutscenes

[pulsar wave]

main menu is borked by the looks of it

[grim kernel]

maybe fix their native hdr instead? seems like it'd be less work

[glossy valve]

Newer UE versions seem to upscale after tonemapping

[celest ginkgo]

For the game Steel Seed, it did not work dumping a lutbuilder .cso file using the common generic UE mod at blowouts set to 100, so when using the devkit, we have to manually find the correct shader and dump that one and then decompile it using the SM6 decompiler for that game?

[unborn verge]

Sounds bad

[glossy valve]

Huh, it's DLSS 4 but it works without downgrading FG version

[quick sedge]

nice

maybe someday everything in games will work as it should right away

on PC

because everything works perfectly on consoles, right?

[dire saffron]

the sky flickers

[dire saffron]

but only sometimes, the rest looks ok

[elfin lance]

wuchang will have a mod in a few min

I'm helping jon set it up

[jovial trout]

updated addon for Wuchang. Still a bit scuffed, but better than native.

• fix upgrades and add custom upgrade (reset those settings)
• replace with safe functions
• fresh decomp for lutbuilder

still has the posterization that shows up in some situations near-black. We're trying to figure it out...

[elfin lance]

yea idk if its something returning 0/black

or a nan from an unsafe function

[pulsar wave]

any specific settings for wuchang? game shows UI but rest is black

[pulsar wave]

hmm weird, loaded Reno through SK instead of without and it functions normally now

[elfin lance]

delete reshade.ini [so it reloads settings] and use this plugin

[jovial trout]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1293788112081915916/1398058893933936671/Project_Plague-WinGDK-Shipping_2025-07-24_17-46-40_312.png?ex=6884a40e&is=6883528e&hm=56cd235e4073a2f4f2bad9ea10f3e7541834ec86b07ec183ece7cfe4c86125a2&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1293788112081915916/1398058702812090500/Project_Plague-WinGDK-Shipping_2025-07-24_17-43-55_110.png?ex=6884a3e1&is=68835261&hm=2c75f8cf8ab36f084a668801521f8311d14080c3dda0c3c439781d038d970fdc&

@spare bane so we have an issue in Wuchang and we think it might be renodrt related in some way (the posterization in shadows in some circumstances). We've verified that there aren't any grading shaders that follow it. We've also gone and replaced all the subsequent sqrt, pows, and saturates in following shaders with no luck. In these screenshots, it's even using a super standard lutbuilder that's been in the mod for a while (and I tried replacing with an updated decomp with the same problem).

You have any ideas? (If it tells you anything, those black splotches become white if darktable is selected 🤷)

[spare bane]

sounds like NaNs

[jovial trout]

yeah

[spare bane]

or just negative numbers

[jovial trout]

just have no clue where they'd be coming from

[spare bane]

might be a division somewhere and some min value they output

like no channel is ever really 0

rgb = max(MIN_FLT, rgb) would probably fix it, showing it's probably a divide by 0

if rgb = max(0, rgb) still doesn't have issues, then it's a negative issue

[jovial trout]

would this be done on the color going into generateoutput?

[spare bane]

that would be where we mod stuff mostly, but since we upgrade textures, can happen anywhere

some games rely on the LUT being 0-1

crisis core needs the saturate

[jovial trout]

I think we might have tried max 0 here, but i'm unsure so lemme try real quick

still happening with max 0 input

[spare bane]

and max MIN_FLT?

or just max(0.00001f, x)

[jovial trout]

MIN_FLT isn't recognized, do I have to set that up?

[jovial trout]

just doing this lol

yeah still there

it might be easier to just make a mod specific for this game with the HDR path 🤷

idk what the cause of this is

[spare bane]

does it happen before or after the lut shader

[jovial trout]

as far as we could tell, this is happening from the lutbuilder

[spare bane]

and if you do scene strength 0 it goes away?

[jovial trout]

well, kinda hard to tell

darktable still hits the same spots

gradient looks natural if you crank exposure

so I'm not really sure

so you can see what I mean with darktable

[bold gulch]

you can basically just copy robocop then

[spare bane]

might be dlss. just have to be care the hdr path is missing effects/code/lut

oblivion remastered breaks with sdr path

[jovial trout]

I wanna say I checked and TSR still has the problem

lemme double check though

yeah still there with tsr

[small carbon]

I’m using the generic UE module (Renodx) and I get a black screen on Life is Strange: Double Exposure

I’ve tried R10G10B10A2_UNORM and also all the others, but no luck. It’s my first time using the generic UE module. Is there anything else I need to apply?

Thanks in advance!

[fathom rapids]

Anyone have issues with wuchang title screen, I'm using SK + renodx and it looks like this

[left narwhal]

What about with RenoDX alone?

[fathom rapids]

yeah it works fine, I'll disable SK.

[brave musk]

It looks like that for me without SK too

[elfin lance]

@spare bane we went through all the unsafe functions and made them safe

in wuwang

so yea idk what the game is doing lmao

[warm lion]

here's a lutbuilder from Robocop: Rogue City, is it doable? 😄

[bold gulch]

https://discord.com/channels/1161035767917850784/1397013186925826198

Custom mod that uses engine.ini hdr

[warm lion]

oh was convinced it's for base game only, thanks! 😄

[jovial trout]

I’m able to use both together just fine, just with reshade loading normally as dxgi

[bold gulch]

Rogue city is the base game

[warm lion]

actually it doesnt seem to work for me, sliders dont do anything, neither real time nor after restarting the game

[bold gulch]

I didnt do unfinished business

[warm lion]

omg sorry

[bold gulch]

lol

[warm lion]

i means unfinished business

[bold gulch]

I’ll add unfinished business lutbuilders

[warm lion]

meant

[ivory oriole]

Any updates on the Wuchang mod? I read a few of your posts and it sounded like you were going to make an individual mod because you were having some type of issues?

[jovial trout]

Nothing new, I may spin it off into a separate mod, not sure. I haven’t even actually played the game yet lol.

[elfin lance]

@jovial trout did you see if the shadow issues are limited only to that one area

or more of the game

if its just that one area, who cares; some games have worse issues

[jovial trout]

No clue

[elfin lance]

did you make a PR?

you did

[celest ginkgo]

This is Steel Seed, a UE5 SM6.6, DX12 game, I am working on a mod, found the postprocess shader using the devkit, then I applied some code fixes for it. Is it normal that I only can adjust peakbrightness and if I ajdust UI brightness, it acts like game brightness? I checked the other shaders in the pipeline, there are separate shader for UI, highlights, but after trying to mod these, colors are weird, the issue persists. Is the UE5.5.x issue or SM6.6 issue? Are there other way to mod the shaders? I see there has been used 3Dmigoto in some other UE games, but that software does not support DX12. Trying to dump a lutbuilder, does not work either for this game

[pulsar wave]

so far shadow issue has been everywhere in the first chapter area, there was some funky stuff going on in a cave that leads to an early look at the chapter 2 zone aswell

[elfin lance]

rip

[pulsar wave]

i can take some screenshots and send them through if you nee

[elfin lance]

I trust

[glossy valve]

UI slider affecting game brightness means you have an error in the logic

It means RenderIntermediatePass isn't applying correctly

Might be caused by your shader fixes

[celest ginkgo]

The thing is Ritsu, if we just use the generic/common UE addon without doing any mod whatsoever to any shader, like if we just put the addon to game folder and run the game and upgrade output size to R10G10B10A2 to make the screen appear and not be black, the UI brightness affecting game brightness is still there.

[glossy valve]

Yes, it means there's a shader between lutbuilder and swapchain that's adjusting the image

[celest ginkgo]

Would that be the postprocess shader which seems to handle everything at the end of the pipeline? One of the very last shaders or somewhere else? I cant dump the lutbuilder shader from the Steel Seed game either

[glossy valve]

It's either a missing lutbuilder, or the postprocess shader

If game brightness slider doesn't do anything at all, then it's a missing lutbuilder

[celest ginkgo]

So some UE5/DX12 SM6.6 games may be missing lutbuilder, so we can't dump the lutbuilder, is that what you mean? I can post you the postprocessing shader which is one of the last shader files in the pipeline of the game after we do snapshot and you can quickly take look into it? The shader freezes the game if we click "Draw" in the devkit.

[glossy valve]

Newer UE versions use compute shader lutbuilders which the addon won't recognize on it's own. You'll have to dumb all shaders, then decompile them

If you dumb all shaders, compress and send them to me I can find it for you

And you haven't answered if game brightness slider affects game at all.

[celest ginkgo]

Ok, I can do that. And to answer your question: No the game brightness slider does not affect the game at all. Only UI brightness affects the whole image, instead of the UI it self.

[celest ginkgo]

Hi, here are all the ps and cs, please check which one we need to mod.

[glossy valve]

Couldn't find anything

Send the csos

[celest ginkgo]

Here are the cso files in this zip archive (undecompiled )

[glossy valve]

Also can you test changing the game brightness, then reloading the save data or something to see if it's working?

[celest ginkgo]

If you mean RenoDX game brightness slider, that one does nothing. if you mean actual game brightness from the game graphics settings menu, then yes, it can be adjusted, but its just a brightness slider for the overall picture, nothing more

[glossy valve]

I mean renodx game brightness

Sometimes you have to reload savedata or something for the settings to apply

Yeah, should be working. All lutbuilders are accounted for

[celest ginkgo]

@glossy valve Well I tried multiple times but at no effect. Game brightness slider in RenoDX does nothing. The UI slider does, but it changes the whole picture brightness as if the UI should be game brightness slider. Did you check those shader cso files I sent you if you had the chance?

[glossy valve]

Yeah, no missing lutbuilders

[celest ginkgo]

Ok, why cant we dump the lutbuilder shader then using the generic unreal engine addon then when we we have the "dump lutbuilder shader" turned on and restarted the game?

[glossy valve]

The addon doesn't dump lutbuilders that are already added to the mod

[celest ginkgo]

@glossy valve Ok, so the game has lutbuilders already so the generic ue addon wont dump lutbuilder shaders? Is that what you mean?

[glossy valve]

The game's mod has the lutbuilders already

[celest ginkgo]

Ok, and yes you are right, but these are spread across several shader files. Whats the next objective then? To find and isolate the ones with lutbuilders and patch then for RenoDX injection?

[celest ginkgo]

I found 11 lutbuilder shader candidates, so I will try to work with them for RenoDX HDR meanwhile, here are the candidates zipped.

[elfin lance]

@celest ginkgo when a UE game pre-compiles shaders

it will dump like 20 lutbuilders

but 19 of them are probably trash

its just lutbuilders that are baked into that UE version

usually the lutbuilders the game itself uses dont even spawn until you visit that area

[celest ginkgo]

@elfin lance when does this happen? In the 3D rendered menu or in game as you play a bit. The shaders I posted here, can they be used to mod for RenoDZ or not?

[elfin lance]

if they're lutbuilders, adding them never hurts

but what I'm trying to say is maybe 1 of those is the lutbuilder your game needs; and which one you'd have to test

I guess you can force the output of each lutbuilder to a different color; and then when you start the game and the game is a flat color; you know "ok its lutbuilder 32"

also a lot of those are sample shaders, not lutbuilders -- we dont need those

actually they're all sample shaders

not lutbuilders

here is how I find lutbuilders

1. convert all cso -> .ll

update set DXC_PATH="C:\Users\desktop\Desktop\dev stuff\tools\decompiler\bin\dxc.exe"

to where your DXC is

2. use notepad++ to search all .ll files for 0x3FEFFFFF40000000

all the files notepad++ returns will be lutbuilders, because that hex string is mad(0.999[repeated) -- something found only in lutbuilders

also when you use decomp.exe, use the -f tag it flattens the decomp, makes it comfy

[glossy valve]

These are output shaders, not lutbuilders

[elfin lance]

I told him lol

I guess he just searched for lut

@glossy valve did you ever see a game that uses BOTH PS and CS lutbuilders/sample shaders

like lets say level 1 is PS, level 2 is CS

so far I havnt

I want to say with some confidence that is a UE game uses lets say PS lutbuilders/sample shaders, it will use that the entire game -- unless there is an update (Lies of PP went from PS -> CS with the DLC update)

[glossy valve]

I could swear I did

Avowed uses both

[viscid mirage]

Are they custom

Savage planet 2 added some other tonemapper (AgX) in the output shaders

Still need to make a mod/fix for that

But they still run the normal lutbuilder and sample it in another branch

Steel seed could maybe be the same

[elfin lance]

those look like fairly standard UE5.3+ output shaders

from the input signatures to a quick look at the code

[celest ginkgo]

@elfin lance Thank you so much for the guide Marat! We should have a guide for this for everyone who is interested in modding PC games for RenoDX HDR, of course we have other methods as well, but I like this one if it works properly.

[elfin lance]

I made a guide for sm5 lutbuilders

I need to make one for sm6

and put it on the wiki

you made sure your game wasnt just using per-scene lutbuilders right

like you set blowout to 100, and restarted the game [turned it off completely, and turned it on]

also reshade.log will have entries like "replacing 0xdeadbeef"

which means the mod already has the lutbuilder

[elfin lance]

@spare bane @jovial trout @bold gulch I found the cause of the nans; I removed the max0 from untonemapped ap1 pow

ima try to safepow it now

[jovial trout]

nice

[bold gulch]

max 0 in ap1 is fine cause anything wider than bt2020 is useless anyway

[elfin lance]

just gotta make it safe

[celest ginkgo]

@Marat what is the chance of finding UE5 SM6_6 LUTbuilder shaders which have the same Unique ID as 2 other already patched games in the gamelist?

[elfin lance]

I dont get what you're saying

[elfin lance]

yea ik, max0 should be fine there; but if its causing nans who knows

man this being flattened for once is grief

and I'm not good enough with regex to automate this

probably need to make a ton of pows safe

in the lutbuilder

also it seems if I swap from oklab -> ictcp; it goes from white nans to black nans

this is a generic lutbuilder used in a ton of games; so I wonder whats special here thats griefing shadows

[bold gulch]

no powsafes should be in the lutbuilder

shouldn't have negatives

unless its in bt709 after converting from wcg

[elfin lance]

yea ik its all ap1, I'm just playing around

well right before the branch

its bt709

so I guses after it goes from ap1 -> 709

I wonder if its hue shift/hue correction

I assume strenght 0 = dont run any of the code

all this work in the lutbuilder, maybe a custom mod is worth making

if jon doesnt do it, maybe I'll figure it out when I want to play the game

[celest ginkgo]

@elfin lance After using your SM6 LUTbuilder guide on how to find and convert to .LL files. Notepad++ found 2 of them for Steel Seed. Can you confirm if these are ones, if I need both or just one of them for patching?

[glossy valve]

These are already added in the mod

[celest ginkgo]

@glossy valve Yes, that is what I noticed, how can Steel Seed have exact same hash names for 2 other games already modded games in the sm6 repo folder, this will also conflict while building the renodx-unrealengine.addon64 I think

[glossy valve]

Whole reason unrealengine mod works is because games share lutbuilders

If two shaders have the same hash, it means their code is 100% the same

[celest ginkgo]

@glossy valve Ok, so if Steel Seed has the same lutbuilder hash as any of the already patched games, will that mean we dont need to patch the lutbuilder shader for Steel Seed?

[glossy valve]

Yep

Means something else is going on

[celest ginkgo]

@glossy valve Yes, so that's what I struggle to figure out. Because I can only adjust the peak brightness slider and UI brightness slider, which seems to work as the game brightness slider, changing the brightness of the whole scene in this game. Gamma Correction slider works too. I cant use any other slider in this game, like any of the other sliders like in scene grading or custom color grading.

[glossy valve]

Game is working fine

Whenever you change sliders, you'll have to adjust the ingame brightness setting for the lutbuilder changes to apply

[glossy valve]

As I mentioned here

[celest ginkgo]

@glossy valve So, if I today try to use the official renodx-unrealengine.addon64 file in Steel Seed and then try again to reload save game data or try adjusting the brightness in the game's brightness slider to see if RenoDX sliders takes effect? Is that what you mean? If not than we need to patch custom addon for this game?

[glossy valve]

Official unrealengine mod is working in steel seed, yes

[celest ginkgo]

@glossy valve Ok, I will test again later today when I get home from work. If after reloading a couple of times and also adjusting the in game brightness and game brightness of the mod, suddenly works or not, then I will let you know 🙂

[celest ginkgo]

@glossy valve Just tested Steel Seed with the official unreal engine mod, it hooks and I get HDR as usual, but I tried loading and reloading save games multiple times, I tried adjusting in game brightness, yet still no RenoDX HDR adjustment sliders work except for peak brightness slider and UI brightness slider (which acts like the game brightness) and gamma correction slider.

[spare bane]

did you mess with the ini?

[glossy valve]

Ingame HDR is off?

[celest ginkgo]

Nope

[celest ginkgo]

Yes

[glossy valve]

Not sure what to tell you. I tested the game myself and it's working

[celest ginkgo]

@glossy valve Thats very strange you got it to work but not me hmm with the official renodx unrealengine mod. What reshade version are you using?

[glossy valve]

6.5.1

[celest ginkgo]

@glossy valve ok. I have the same and you only did R10G10B10A2_UNORM to output size right? What are your RenoDX UI settings by the way?

[glossy valve]

Same upgrade, and I just push renodx game brightness to 500 nits and adjust the ingame brightness and the new game brightness applies.

[celest ginkgo]

@glossy valve and does scene and color grading sliders work after this?

[glossy valve]

Yes

[celest ginkgo]

Wow thats good.

I think I will reinstall my game and re-add reshade again to the executable, then put the official unreal engine addon again to the folder. I am currently on a laptop with HDR 600 nits peak. amd W11. However if this works/does not work I will try on my OLED TV with 1500 nits peak and with my main gaming desktop PC connected to the TV.

Do you think running the game on a laptop could have any issues? Reason I am running on a laptop is because its easier for me to do any kind of a mod and because I do other projects, but the laptop has HDR screen so it should work fine.

[glossy valve]

Where you run the mod shouldn't affect it

[celest ginkgo]

@glossy valve Can you show RenoDX UI please while in-game?

[celest ginkgo]

@glossy valve Wait a minute, the slider values you set in RenoDX UI only update if you touch the in-game brightness slider?

[glossy valve]

Yes

[celest ginkgo]

@glossy valve oh my god.. Then it works for me as well!. All this time I thought the slider would update in real time. But I guess this requires a custom mod, am I right? Like I tried Asterigos game, which I also have, sliders there can be updated in real time, so we dont have to touch the brightness control in-game at all.

@glossy valve Thanks for this Ritsu, mayne I misunderstood you about this game, well at least I spent some hours over few days to learn the devkit, source code what it does and how to mod games hehe

[glossy valve]

I told you multiple times sliders won't update realtime

All's well that ends well, enjoy the game

[spare bane]

https://tenor.com/view/papyrus-it-wasnt-enough-ryan-gosling-snl-gif-25789052

[celest ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/nick-tok78-seemyselfout-allthesepieces-gif-20182960

[jovial trout]

lmao

[celest ginkgo]

Anyway thanks guys for your help, been a pleasure, I will work and may ask questions for other games as well once I have time. Hopefully I will be able to patch to have the sliders adjustment in realtime at least locally on my PC first

[tight acorn]

@errant spindle

[errant spindle]

thx

[tight acorn]

@elfin lance @spare bane lutbuilders for grounded2

[celest ginkgo]

Finally built my first custom Steel Seed addon, my first RenoDX HDR mod ever, all sliders work and this is HDR10 BT2020. Yes I have many sliders available for now, but not all are used 🙂

[elfin lance]

I'll get to it later

[tight acorn]

@elfin lance any luck friend

[tidal fable]

Help, so for The Ascent, i use it through SK to Reshade addon, and it works

I did the upgrade mentioned

Do i need to do anything else ?

[fierce lava]

doesnt hurt to check with lilium analysis shader if stuff works and adjust sliders to your liking.

[tidal fable]

what is lilium analysis?

[fierce lava]

when installing reshade you can choose this shader pack which contains a lot of useful shaders with the most useful one being the analysis one.

allows you to see peak brightness, CIE diagrams and other stats

[tidal fable]

ah, i use SK, so i only took the reshade64.dll, is there a way to add it to reshade through SK

[small socket]

https://youtu.be/BiMkj-IFg5s

You'll need to use eng subs

[fierce lava]

ah sorry i dont really use SK, someone else can prolly help

[small socket]

But gets the job done

[tidal fable]

since reshade works as it is, presing home and it shows and all of that, i just need to add the lilium reshade files in reshade that is now in SK, same way i did with renox as a addon, and the unity game addon for The Ascend

i wander now were can i get the lilium reshade files?

[tight acorn]

https://github.com/EndlesslyFlowering/ReShade_HDR_shaders/releases/tag/2025.06.21

https://wiki.special-k.info/en/SpecialK/ReShade you can follow central installation

or my video

[tidal fable]

Thanks :3

[tidal fable]

@tight acorn does this look ok? also sorry for the ping

[tight acorn]

it looks like it's working ya

[left narwhal]

@tight acorn sorry for the ping.

[tight acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/hand-on-shoulder-gif-16978492239797714559

[left wolf]

Can this pin include a link to https://github.com/clshortfuse/renodx/wiki/Mods
+
If you get a black screen when launching a game with the Unreal Engine mod, upgrade R10G10B10A2_UNORM to output size

if you are a new user and you come to this channel, you just have to know to google renodx unreal engine and scroll down

to fix the game

which is stupid

[bold gulch]

I think the download link should link to a GitHub discussion that has the instructions or something

[left narwhal]

I also pointed out something similar the other day that we don't mention in the legend properly that even if the game seemingly works perfect, if upgrades are mentioned, use them.

Casue we have contradictory text there.

[bold gulch]

Having a direct link to snapshots without instructions just leads to people not understanding certain things. Thats why I only use nexus links for my mods on the mods page

[spare bane]

there are github discussions as well

[bold gulch]

Ya that’s why I’m saying it should link to GitHub discussions

So the snapshot link should just be a link to discussions

[left wolf]

I think it should still just be a download link to the mod itself, it's simple, but when user has a black screen and doesnt know why, they have to ask

[left wolf]

when the information is on the github, but how would they even know to go there

[jovial trout]

for regular mods I don't think we get many people that get confused by it. Seems like people know to look for instructions instead of blindly assuming the snapshot is all they need. We do get a lot of questions about the unreal mod though

we had a good influx of confused people with the move to reshade 6.5.0 though lol

[left narwhal]

Problem is that 99% of the instructions are given by people in the chat.

And then directed: download the pinned mod.

[jovial trout]

there is that

[left narwhal]

And by 99%, I mean the basic instruction etc.

So, linking there and making it all better.

[jovial trout]

it's usually people not knowing the mod page exists it seems like

[left narwhal]

Yeah

[left wolf]

Yeah there is nothing we can do to make clicking the pin button easier

[left narwhal]

People aren't all that savvy with how GitHub functions either, so.

[elfin lance]

@tight acorn sorry I was buisy

[left wolf]

but that is just a nature of discord and a million channels

[jovial trout]

discord UX is ass, it's bad at everything

truly a testament to the state of other communication platforms that discord conquered all without question lol

[left narwhal]

We could create a nice welcome channel going over basics, too.

Make people read it all, get a role, and then access to rest of channels.

Onboarding wizard basically.

[jovial trout]

people don't read if it's more than a paragraph

[left narwhal]

Quiz time!

Don't pass the quiz, no entry allowed!

||jk, that's horrible UX, too. lol||

[tight acorn]

dw bro i just have a friend eager to grounded in hdr

[warm lion]

actually u could add the info about clicking pin button on the welcoming message while joining the server - font 50, RED 😄

[warm lion]

https://betterdiscord.app/
btw try this thingy, which brings plugins support back do discord, custom themes can be applied as well as dozen of qol plugins which are easily accessible from discord plugin settings they added - there's a built in marketplace 😄

actual date instead of hourly timestamps are godsend

there's also one that adds local pins functionality, so u can save whatever u find relevant, as only ppl with permissions can pin messages 😄

[jovial trout]

I really should give some of these third party discord things a try sometime

[warm lion]

u won't be disappointed, there's even simple, but priceless tabs functionality, coz jumping between servers/channels/threads can be a pita

[elfin lance]

ok lets fix dio's lutbuilder

@tight acorn here is UE with 2 grounded builders

[tight acorn]

so i just drop that in grounded 2 and test ?

[elfin lance]

yea lmk

I was going to make a PR since it looks generic

but yea its just unreal with your 2 builders

[tight acorn]

ty bud lemme see

[elfin lance]

you still need upgrades, idk what they are for the game

[tight acorn]

ya i put same as grounded 1

having hdr already is gud

i'm laucnhing game

looks like it's hdr

[elfin lance]

enjoy

[tight acorn]

although the game crashes when i use lilium shaders

tyvm

it did capture 2000 nits for the frame lol

oof

sliders aren't workin tho

[elfin lance]

based on the lutbuilder; it looks new

so its 100% scene based lutbuilders

[tight acorn]

peak brightness

works

i see

[elfin lance]

so you'd need to like open and close the equip menu

[tight acorn]

so it's only when changing

ya

[elfin lance]

or load a save

[tight acorn]

unlike the first game :(

[elfin lance]

the lutbuilders being per scene is something unreal changed in 5.3

go bitch at them

[errant spindle]

@elfin lance It doesn't work on the Steam version apparently.

[elfin lance]

who doesnt work

[errant spindle]

the reno for grounded 2

[elfin lance]

did you copy these settings

specifically the resource upgrades

[errant spindle]

yes i have try

the only settings make changement is UI brightness

[elfin lance]

@tight acorn explain it

[errant spindle]

i have restart the game

and nothing

[tight acorn]

Idk

Works for me

I have gamepass ver

[errant spindle]

do U need my LUTbuilder ?

[tight acorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1140604468770111508/1400264649664102606/OE_-_Augusta_2025-07-31_014939.png?ex=688c0194&is=688ab014&hm=1936003d744e3660c91abf9274abdeed67659eeb12d22930311e29b0cae0a018&

[elfin lance]

it works perfectly fine

the lutbuilders are just per scene

so the sliders are not real time

so you configure the sliders once, restart the game (or load a save), and enjoy

[tight acorn]

Sadly lilum analysis crashes the game

Welp idk

Gotta go sleep

Gn

[elfin lance]

yea I have that same issue

with my setup

in UE5 games

[left narwhal]

@spare bane was thinking about a neat QoL feature we could add, is it doable to add highlights or like colour to the text in the RenoDX menu within ReShade?

Or like even highlight a certain option etc?

If so, whenever UE5 one is used, and it detects an Xyz game is playing, it highlights one bit in the menu that you determine. So, if I launch Jusant, R10G10B10A2_UNORM gets highlighted in the menu.

Or like in another colour and such.

[left narwhal]

Uh, is he supposed to look this orange?

[spare bane]

Jusant is 90% hue shifts

But yes, orange boy orange

[cobalt marlin]

I just made him Lara Croft instead

Doesn't look as weird

(by I, I just mean I installed a mod)

[abstract eagle]

doesn't work for me

Do I need to enable UE hdr ?

[tight acorn]

i didn't need to

are you steam or gamepass

[abstract eagle]

gamepass

[tight acorn]

well uh idk

it just worked

i do on off i see the difference right up

[abstract eagle]

do you use the generic UE renodx ?

ok it's now working, i must have picked the wrong file

thanks

[jovial trout]

We already add rules for some games to get upgrades automatically. We could go back and do that for the whole compatibility list, but tedious. Actually, might be a perfect little task for AI.

Nvm it wouldn’t have project name

Yeah would be tedious

[small socket]

Is the looking up the different exe's and its paths the most tedious part?

Because if so maybe other people here can help gather the information?

[left narwhal]

Oh, we do? Then that’s best. I thought we didn’t for some reason so I suggested that.

That’s definitely better then, yeah.

[left narwhal]

Sadge

That trailer is proper orange, yeah. Will just play then, loving the game.

The left one looks really nice here, ngl. 👀

[jovial trout]

The code is quite simple, we could probably post a template for people to fill out for the game they care about and we could copy paste into the mod.

[left narwhal]

But we play as orange, since designed that way. It’s fine.

I mainly wanted to know if shit was broken on my end or what.

[spare bane]

the screenshot shows that because of ACES hue shift they have to pick weird colors to get it to look the color they really wanted in design process. but ACES hue shifts very differently depending on shadows/midtones/highlights

[left narwhal]

I recently got a new display so I always get sus’d out since I haven’t fully calirated it, yet.

[spare bane]

ACES ruined their ability to provide a consistent output

[left narwhal]

Sadge

It’s same in SDR, I reckon.

Throughout the game, inconsistencies and all.

[spare bane]

so they did some overly tomato red in the texture so it comes out the orange they wanted

[left narwhal]

Star Wars lookin’ ass orange boy.

The game is ridiculously pretty.

You should try out Cairn if you liked this, btw.

Cairn is also climbing but more simulation. More granular control.

Only demo out and I played it couple months ago, really loved it. Waiting for its release.

Probably UE there as well, I forgot.

[spare bane]

i don't play games 😕

[left narwhal]

[spare bane]

i play with numbers

[left narwhal]

Looool fair

[small socket]

I think that would be a good idea

[left narwhal]

What would the fill out require, like owning the game so you know the exe name etc?

[jovial trout]

Project name shows up in the reshade log with the unreal addon installed, after that it’s just filling out the resource types in the if statement template.

So the tedious work is needing to install/open every game in the list, the code is easypeasy

This is all that’s needed for us to copy paste into the mod.

{
"Expedition 33",
{
{"Upgrade_B8G8R8A8_TYPELESS", UPGRADE_TYPE_OUTPUT_SIZE},
{"Upgrade_B8G8R8A8_UNORM", UPGRADE_TYPE_OUTPUT_SIZE},
{"Upgrade_R10G10B10A2_UNORM", UPGRADE_TYPE_OUTPUT_SIZE},
},
},

On phone so screwed up ‘’ symbols, can’t code post I don’t think

[left narwhal]

Right, but every mod we have listed on that repo, we already have a project name for that, correct? Since that's more of a 'validated' list of mods?

If so, we don't need project names. And now it comes down to what resource types we need in the template, which is also something we can copy from that validated mods list, as in the notes we mention which resources need to be upgraded, correct?

If that's the case, for current validated listed mods, we shouldn't need to install/open every game, or am I missing something else?

[jovial trout]

No, project name isn’t the same as game name

Can’t use exe name either cause it varies beteeen stores

[left narwhal]

Ahhh, okie

Yeah, RIP scenes then.

Something to be vigilant about when someone comes asking for support about an Xyz game, and then just have them post the log, lol.

Outside of that, that's too tedious, even if you own the games.

[small socket]

Game name is the one it shows when it is running in window mode or how should I interpret that?

[jovial trout]

In reshade log

I’m away from home so I can’t show what I’m talking about.

[small socket]

| [RenoDX] Marked default values for SB-Win64-Shipping.exe (Stellar Blade)

Like this?

[jovial trout]

I think that’s it

I think it’s setup for stellar blade already so you could check if that’s what’s in the code already

https://github.com/clshortfuse/renodx/blob/main/src/games/unrealengine/addon.cpp

[small socket]

It's setup like this
{ "Stellar Blade", { {"Upgrade_CopyDestinations", 1.f}, {"Upgrade_B8G8R8A8_TYPELESS", UPGRADE_TYPE_OUTPUT_SIZE}, {"Upgrade_R10G10B10A2_UNORM", UPGRADE_TYPE_OUTPUT_SIZE}, }, },

So I guess we need to add the between the brackets ( ) from the reshade.log

Also wonder what the difference is between E33 in the universal UE mod and the standalone one