▫️FINAL FANTASY VII REBIRTH

[scenic crystal]

Out on January 23, 2025
https://i.imgur.com/XY2dOMV.jpeg

Currently -30% on Steam and EGS
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2909400/FINAL_FANTASY_VII_REBIRTH/
https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/p/final-fantasy-vii-rebirth?epic_affiliate=lowcygier&epic_gameId=e9a679451d094c1ba3d008b6a01adec5

Steam

FINAL FANTASY VII REBIRTH

FINAL FANTASY VII REMAKE Project Trilogy Part 2After escaping Midgar, the City of Mako, Cloud and his friends overcome the boundaries of faith and step into the unknown wasteland.A vast world with many characteristics awaits, as well as a new story where you will run through fields on chocobos to freely explore points of interest.■ StoryThe life...

Price

$48.99

Release Date

Jan 23, 2025

▶ Play video

Currently -43% on GMG (you need to be at least bronze tier member)
https://www.greenmangaming.com/games/final-fantasy-vii-rebirth-digital-deluxe-edition-pc/

PC System Requirements
https://gh.cdn.sewest.net/assets/ident/news/d485ba7a/FF7Rebirth_PC_specs-a1e7d4gm7.jpg?quality=65&width=100%25&height=100%25

[minor current]

Already pre-ordered cause that's a damn good deal.

Not the deluxe tho, I got that on ps5 with like actual Physical shit.

[scenic crystal]

Noice

[scenic crystal]

Trailer comparison with PS5 footage (stolen from resetera)
https://slow.pics/c/2avgQPZq?canvas-mode=fit-width&image-fit=contain

RT shadows maybe?

[minor current]

comparing cinematics isn't ideal

those are usually tuned up, it's gameplay that would have the biggest differences

like the shadows in this look better than usual but i'm nto sure

interesting they're cleaning up some of the harsher lighting in the cinematics tho, here you can see there's two shadows on the sword which doesn't make sense, now the lighting is more clear

the other shadow "might" still be there but at least you can't really see it

lighting is less agressive overall tho

no reason to think RT shadows yet, but that aerith image is an improvement

[scenic crystal]

It's the best I've saw so far

[scenic crystal]

Tbh it looks more like SSR artifact to me? Could be wrong

https://gh.cdn.sewest.net/assets/ident/news/d485ba7a/FF7REBIRTH_PC_5-f1uvkra7d.jpg?quality=65&width=100%25&height=100%25

This one shows off CHS well

[minor current]

nah cinematics add a additional lights per camera shot, thats definitely a shadow.

[scenic crystal]

As someone on era pointed out, this is the first time anyone from SE has acknowledged the game sales in any capacity, ever

It's amazing that all it took was having a two AAA games to bomb in the span of a year for a massive company like that to pull it's head out of it's ass

Absolutely insane levels of mismanagement

Yoshi P should be named the next president of the company from saving it from bankruptcy for like a straight decade

[minor current]

it's probably also cause unlike playstation the steam numbers are roughly public

You don't have explicit rankings in playstation, just vague ones

[scenic crystal]

Eh, if the game sells well, they don't keep it to themselves

[minor current]

True but he also only mentioned steam not EGS

[scenic crystal]

And GMG, and I bet lotta folks gonna get their key there
I know Kal at least will buy it on EGS, lol

[stable elbow]

cause steam input :lmao:

[scenic crystal]

Now, I don't actually believe PC version will outsell PS5
But it would be so fucking funny if it did

[stable elbow]

i've put 170 hours into rebirth and it was first game that i've played 30 fps game from the time BOTW was locked to 30 fps in CEMU

[scenic crystal]

Performance mode does look like ass tho, so I understand

[stable elbow]

understatement

[scenic crystal]

I kept switching meself

[stable elbow]

i beat brutal challenges in performance mode

cause it's insanely hard

soulsborne games are much easier

[scenic crystal]

Tbf I borrowed PS5 from the buddy of mine for the weekend and just burned through the game, I knew there is no way I won't get spoiled on what happens to Aerith until PC version comes out
So this will be my first "proper" walkthrough

[stable elbow]

i get some kinda hyperfixation on games like this

just like i'm playing metaphor now

on saturday i woke up at 9am and played till 4am next day

only a pause for a dinner and supper that my grandma made

[minor current]

I also played entirely in graphics mode

[minor current]

Yeah i do the same, i binge played FFVIIR for probably 130 hours. I feel like i shouldn't have gone that hard lmao. I felt a similar sting for when I did elden ring like that and FFXVI 😩

[stable elbow]

i like that grindy part too

[minor current]

Normally I play new games when i take a break so going ham like that isn't a problem but then also I desparately want to finish the game so that when i go back to work i'm not thinking about it

[stable elbow]

like your brain can rest from overload of new information

[minor current]

The only thing I didn't do was the ||gilgamash ||challenge

That shit was hard and I was out of time lmao

[stable elbow]

you mean gilgamesh island?

[minor current]

yeah

[stable elbow]

bro if you didn't do it

you didn't do brutal challenges

i spent 3 hours on one challenge

[minor current]

Oh yeah i know, I was just out of time and burned out when i finished the story lmao

[stable elbow]

and i literally had a single youtube strategy

[minor current]

I heard the ones after that are nuts too

[stable elbow]

perfect materia combination

[minor current]

I also wanna do the sephiroth and zack challenges, I just need to come back to the game

[stable elbow]

and it still it's insanely bullshit

[minor current]

lmao

Oh right i also never did weiss

[stable elbow]

save you sanity and don't do it

[minor current]

I need to do that too lol

lmao

We'll see

I need to go back and finish some some stuff on remake first

like weiss and i think bahamut?

I never finished hardmode on remake

[stable elbow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1YLRVzvXxw

just watch the part where he explains to you what to do step by step what skills use

the worst thing is that i've had no problem getting to odin

but beating him with heart racing and hands are shaking is extremely hard

[scarlet forge]

moms spaghetti

[minor current]

lmao

[stable elbow]

you spend 13 minutes getting into odin

and die in 30 seconds

rinse and repeat

[minor current]

lol

[stable elbow]

for 3 hours

[minor current]

damn

It's cool the game has some nuts challenges, it doesn't sound as bullshit as some old bosses

[scenic crystal]

I feel there's an entire subsection of YouTube dedicated to discussing how absolute bullshit is the platinum trophy for this game

Hamaguchi saw people raging at Crash Bandicoot 4 and was like "hold my beer"

[minor current]

lol

yeah i saw a lot of videos and it was just that fucking challenge

[coral lynx]

you say that as if yoshi P didnt make his game ps exclusive too

But im happy SQ is starting to learn

I will be very sad if the next installment doesnt come on pc simultaneously

[scenic crystal]

If you're referring to XVI it doesn't sound like it was his choice really

[scenic crystal]

https://youtu.be/QYr0QZG82d0

[dusky kettle]

It looks amazing, but as always I feel the real magic will happen thanks to modders and engine.ini wizards.

[chilly orchid]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TO-Fnjkt2iA

Also you can save 30% if you Pre-Purchase the game right now on Steam

[scenic crystal]

Also
https://www.instagram.com/p/DE48QltvN8J/?utm_source=ig_embed

naoki_nhamaguc

SteamDeck verified.

#ff7 #ffvii #finalfantasy #squareenix

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[minor current]

cleaner dof on ultra is nice.

cleaner motion blur too, i guess less downsampling

hard to see it in motion but very strong lod scaling

Environment textures largely impacted, as expected square focuses on characters

much cleaner resolve on hair 🤔

I presume this isn't showing DLSS

[chilly orchid]

I wonder if they fixed the lighting

[minor current]

?

[scenic crystal]

The improved lighting in cutscenes, but for the gameplay they would need to implement RTGI or something like that

[chilly orchid]

This

[minor current]

oh yeah some areas where the GI is very lacking

hopefully

[chilly orchid]

I doubt it

But we'll see

[minor current]

i dunno what solution they're using exactly, I assume a probe solution? I wonder if they can make it denser if thats the issue.,

[scenic crystal]

yeah, standard UE4 stuff

No baking for the open world for obvious reasons

[minor current]

if only they would add RT 😩

not like UE4 has no RTGI and RT reflection solutions

[scenic crystal]

Well, that ship has sailed

[scenic crystal]

Remember they are working off the 2017 branch
It doesn't even have TAAU support

[minor current]

hm even for rebirth? 🤔

damn

[scenic crystal]

Yeah, they didn't upgrade

[minor current]

i guess that helped with efficiency but thats still a shame

[native eagle]

One week left, and still no mention of ultrawide support. Why does Square hate ultrawide people 😦

[scenic crystal]

It's getting added day one ||with a mod by Lyall||

[native eagle]

I know, but it's still annoying

https://youtu.be/2kQnT3tADKw

wtf

[scenic crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

[dusky kettle]

I love GMG. I actually grabbed the Remake+Rebirth set.

[dusky kettle]

Awesome. I am still enjoying Octopath traveler 2 UW thanks to his work on it.

[dusky kettle]

I am so excited for the game. I grew up playing the original, and now I play the new ones with my daughters. Also, it helps me connect with my students when they realize I am as much of a geek as they are.

[scenic crystal]

https://i.imgur.com/XY2dOMV.jpeg

[dusky kettle]

Thanks for sharing.

[scenic crystal]

https://www.rpgsite.net/feature/16756-final-fantasy-vii-rebirth-steam-deck-recommended-settings-full-game-performance-review-frame-rate

https://youtu.be/ohhC_w3_j-A

https://youtu.be/1jOQRgd9RN8

https://images.rpgsite.net/image/da49c9a1/145308/original/final-fantasy-vii-rebirth_20250122_steam-deck-low-res.jpg

https://images.rpgsite.net/image/da49c9a1/145275/original/final-fantasy-vii-rebirth_20250122_graphics-options-1.jpg

Seems like they put effort this time around

Hopefully DF got the code early

Has shader precompilation step per RPGsite

[minor current]

why is low resolution font an option?

[scenic crystal]

https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:pejtqsqsulyg2gfmtfqei67b/post/3lgdlqkcigk2l?ref_src=embed

Alex Battaglia (@dachsjaeger.bsky.social)

I have not had access to Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth on PC. I cannot comment on its technicals from first person experience, though I was contacted by a number of outlets separately with concern over stuttering. I guess I will have to see for myself when I get access if it is another #StutterStruggle.

Bluesky · Jan 22, 2025, 2:36 PM

They had not

[jolly current]

Maybe for mobile devices with low resolution.

[scenic crystal]

PC gamer is less enthusiastic
https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/final-fantasy-7-rebirth-pc-best-settings-performance-analysis/

Interesting that it apparently uses direct storage

Might be first UE game that does so

Cutscenes are capped to 60 fps

[minor current]

whoa thats crazy

not even Epic has implemented that yet

[scenic crystal]

At least that's what the PC Gamer article claims

[native eagle]

So they gave access to some YouTubers and outlets but not to DF? It almost seems like they deliberately gave access only to reviewers who base their performance opinions on FPS counters, rather than how the game actually runs (and I mean stutters here, of course).

[scarlet forge]

[scenic crystal]

It seems like they prioritized the FF influencers like Dood

[minor current]

maybe they didn't ask for it?

[native eagle]

Yeah, it makes sense, but not giving access for a PC release to DF is crazy

[minor current]

Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth uses the DirectX 12 Ultimate API and Shader Model 6.6, so if your operating system and graphics card don't support them, then you won't be able to play the game full stop—in other words, if you have a GeForce GTX or a pre-RDNA 2 AMD card, then no Rebirth for you.

At this point you're just bitchin for no reason lol

The only thing to relieve all of this grim news is that the game performance is generally pretty good and relatively stutter-free, unlike FF7 Remake. However, both of those aspects come with some major caveats, so they might not be much of a relief at all.

[native eagle]

"relatively"

[minor current]

I feel like the PC gamer article is unnesecarily negative...

There's no implication the release is remotely busted, they're just bitching there's no FSR and over 120fps mode, which yes there should be but like. The game seems to work and perform fine.

Only real annoyance is the cut scene FPS bs rears it's ugly head again

I really dunno why games keep doing that.

it's not just square

[native eagle]

is DLSS support for DRS confirmed?

[minor current]

DLSS is there

[native eagle]

Yeah I know but does it work with DRS though

[minor current]

isn't that usually a driver enabled thing

[scenic crystal]

Apparently it does

[native eagle]

nice

[native eagle]

I don’t think so - there are plenty of games with DLSS and DRS options, but somehow DRS can only work with TAA upscaling

[minor current]

yeah the PC gamer article feels negative for no reason, like complaining that the default resolution scale setting naming is odd.

when to me the option to chose maximum and minimum resolution scale is better than most games offer

[scenic crystal]

Yeah, the PC gamer reviewer sounds like a spoiled kid
"It doesn't have X,Y and Z" My brother in Christ, the important thing is the game runs well, take the W

[minor current]

like having more grandular settings really only matters if those settings have major impact. the lack of options is less an issue compared to their visual impact and performance impact. It seems like the bigger impact stuff has more options.

background detail seems like a major one

In terms of performance, the two options that have the biggest impact are background model detail and shadow quality, though fog quality and character count will affect lower-end systems in certain areas.

even the article says it

[scenic crystal]

Also lol at the FSE thing

[minor current]

And I'm not in the least bit okay with the frame rate limiter (and the hard limits on cutscenes and FMV scenes), the absence of FSR and XeSS, and the total lack of an exclusive fullscreen mode, buffer options, FOV settings, mouse support for the main and pause menus, and so on.

Does the game really need FOV settings?

[scenic crystal]

Final Fantasy 7 Remake had many of these issues too but thanks to the modding community, two small files and a handful of coding lines were all that was needed to bring some joy.
What a load of BS

Unless you count having to apply API conversion layer counts as a "small" fix

[minor current]

lol

[native eagle]

Did forcing DX11 in FF7R actually help with stutters?

[minor current]

it did

[native eagle]

Isn’t the thing with ini settings or forcing DX11 for stutters usually just a placebo that people believe in lol

[minor current]

those cuts mid battle when you do a team attack look better lol

Still a little rough but they looked very goofy at times on ps5 lol

[native eagle]

Did it reduce the stutters or completely eliminate them? To be honest, for me, either you have them or you don’t. If there are any stutters at all, it’s already breaking the immersion

I played FFR7 with stutters and just accepted you can nothing really do with them

[minor current]

it's been a while, for me the stutters weren't a big deal so i only tested it once

for comparison but it depends on where you trigger the attack

[scenic crystal]

DX11 with DXVK specifically

[minor current]

even scenes without a lighting adjustment benefit from the higher res dof

cleaner motion blur resolve

Dood says this is the smoothest experience he's had with a square PC release

Apparently there is a shader comp at the start and there was some initial stutters very early on but then they were quickly gone and didn't return

[native eagle]

TAAU really does seem blurry

or the gif in PC Gamer article is compressed

[scenic crystal]

probably bit of both

[native eagle]

But DLSS looks much better. It looks like PS5 vs PS5 Pro

so probably TAAU again vs PSSR

[minor current]

Dood prefered DLSS overall which honestly isn't surprising

https://youtu.be/9uAVJZLENfk

oh good cloud save doesn't include settings

easy to switch devices

[native eagle]

Do you want to have the game operating in exclusive fullscreen mode, to get the best possible performance? No chance, I'm afraid: It's windowed or borderless fullscreen only
Also, this is weird in the PC Gamer article. From everything I’ve learned, you don’t actually get better performance from the "FSE" option in games, or rather, it doesn’t even really exist in DX12 in the first place.

[scenic crystal]

https://youtu.be/pT5xw3894hg

Extended chunk of open world gameplay with the frame time graph

frame time health looks really good

Seems like DRS causes some stuttering

[minor current]

it's crazy they got the world streaming downpat

considering how massive the map is that had to be a challenge cause the whole world is persistant

oh wow

in this video DLAA performs better than TAA?

it's barely over 60 with TAA

oh wait thats 1440p

my bad

no 1440p dlaa showing

[chilly orchid]

I agree with PC GAMER

120 fps cap is criminal

And 60 fps cutscenes is outrageous

Japan still don't know how to do PC ports

[minor current]

The only thing i care about the the cut scene fps cap, i couldn't care less about more than 120fps lol

it's probably only 30 for the rendered cinematics which is fine, 60 for in game isn't ideal but not that bad.

[native eagle]

If the game was originally designed for a console and they encountered issues with higher frame rates, I have absolutely no problem with a 120fps cap

[chilly orchid]

I remember explaining why I hate fps caps more than anything else in a game

Let me find it

Imagine playing FF7 20 years from now but still being capped to 60 fps regardless of how powerful your hardware is

HL2 which came out in 2004 can be played at 1000fps now

Games should never be made for the present

[scenic crystal]

Lyall will fix it in 24h

Uncapping might cause some issues though

[scenic crystal]

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/final-fantasy-7-rebirth-review

This got the chuckle out of me

[minor current]

while thats true for me thats just not capping the game to 60fps, often an entirely uncappedframe rate can be a challenge for a variety of issues. Like how marvel Rivals basically lets you cheat with various FPS modes.

[scenic crystal]

Got my key from GMG

[native eagle]

I got mine too

Can you download it already on steam?

[gentle mantle]

Its released

Did they even mention HDR in the PC trailer? 🤔

[gentle mantle]

Why though? What possible benefit do you get from cutscnes going over 60 fps. Its not like they look better 😆

Especially, If its implemented properly and there is no judder when transitioning from cutscene to in-game - anything over 60 is completely unnecessary.

There are also benefits staying at 60 fps - the GPU is cooler, quieter and uses less power, no potential coil whine 🤷‍♂️

[native eagle]

well and what benefits do you get from Frame Gen? Motion smoothness I guess

and yet some people like it

(a lot)

[gentle mantle]

True but is it a valid comparison? I dont mind FG either.

Your argument only works if the video is non pre-rendered right? A pre-rendered video at 60 or 120 means nothing because 99% of the time, they were sourced as 30 fps.

[native eagle]

Yes it depends how the cutscene was made of course

And I'm ok with 60 personally. I'd be with 30 probably if it didn't interrupt gameplay

[gentle mantle]

Same, if its implemented properly - i dont really care.

[native eagle]

finally downloaded the game with 600mbps down. I forgot how much space it takes lol 144GB..

[scenic crystal]

Looks like shader precompile is busted, getting an obvious shader stutter

[drowsy coyote]

yeah lol

gamma mismatch or not? i'm a terrible judge of this and cant easily toggle hdr here

[scenic crystal]

Not as far as I can tell

But I think the lowest brightness option matches 250 nits PW, so shadows look more gray than nessesary

No in game HDR toggle

[drowsy coyote]

the cutscene speedup button is amazing

[scenic crystal]

You can always just skip them, lol

[drowsy coyote]

nah no way i don't want to skip

but a slight speedup on demand is great

[minor current]

some reviews said there's an initial stutter that apparently goes away for the rest of the game

[scenic crystal]

So it's a shader comp stutter

[native eagle]

yeah me too

[minor current]

probably

it might just be some early shaders, cause otherwise things later in the game would cause it but supposedly it didn't

[native eagle]

I had a stutter when I first hit an enemy and also after that when opened first chest

[gentle mantle]

Thanks for confirming.

[scenic crystal]

Confirmed

[minor current]

which is strange cause the prevbious game had a toggle

[native eagle]

isn't just windows 11 level toggle the toggle?

[minor current]

yeah

[full viper]

really need a way to disable this eye adaptiation. Blinding me every time I walk out of a building

[minor current]

I thought the game still used exposure volumes

Maybe they switched

[native eagle]

What is "VRR" in settings? Just VSYNC Off?

[drowsy coyote]

the game seems to be rather stuttery and it's not just shader comp stutter

[native eagle]

it's not that bad imo, at least after like first 30 minutes of the game it is much better

[drowsy coyote]

it could just be nibelheim i guess. i hope

[native eagle]

I'm still in Nibelheim so I don't how it is after 😄

[minor current]

i saw reports the game stutters initially but then the rest of the game it's no problem.

[native eagle]

That’s what I see. The game still stutters after about an hour, but it’s much less noticeable.

but to be honest, I’m now in narrower corridor locations, so it might just be location-dependent

[drowsy coyote]

yeah i mean like the koboh situation in jedi survivor

[native eagle]

It’s much more minor than jedi survivor lol

[drowsy coyote]

oh yeah for sure - i meant that a particular location could just be bad

[cunning pewter]

the settings suck ass

was hoping it'd be better this time

it also comes with the earlier version of DLSS

[scenic crystal]

Standard UE stuff
It is better compared to the remake, which had, like, two settings

[native eagle]

Has anyone tested the new DLSS DLL with the transformer model preset in this game?

[minor current]

do we even have access to the override yet?

[jolly current]

yes by forcing preset j in nv inspector

[native eagle]

Any issues with that?

[jolly current]

I haven't seen anything yet.

[native eagle]

have you noticed any improvements?

when compared to CNN

[jolly current]

The AA appears more stable in motion.

But I'm at the very beginning of the test.

[scenic crystal]

I did too, TF model seems a bit better, but tbh I can't say I see any massive difference at 4K DRS (66%-50%)

[native eagle]

I guess improvement would be mainly with specific issues old dlss had like shimmering on vegetation etc.

but can't really say that game has that issue lol

btw have you noticed more stutters with DRS or nah?

some reviews said that

[scenic crystal]

Yeah, the implementation is clearly custom, they did the great job here
Not seeing really any issues, except for a bit of checkerboarding artifacts on hairs

I guess DLSS is too sharp for it's onw good, lol

I'm questioning whenever play the game now or wait for renodx

Maybe they will patch our the shader comp stutter like they did for ff16

[native eagle]

is it possible to force that J preset with SK?

[drowsy coyote]

damn there are some random low res textures among generally nice ones

[scenic crystal]

I've seen that setting dlss mode to dlss default instead of game default does the trick

[thin olive]

The new transformer model with DLAA looks sooo much sharper in motion on FF7 Rebirth

I could never go back to the old one

Especially in small details like characters in the distance, grass or other big amounts of geometry in the distance

[full viper]

Transformer model on the left

[minor current]

nice

[drowsy coyote]

hair looks kinda bad no matter what you do tbh

[minor current]

it's better that its fuzzy rather than grainy

[fathom kernel]

i just tried FFVII Rebirth it seem the peak brithgness had issue like the PS5 version only 900nits

idk if we can fix it by tweaking or something

[scarlet forge]

it was baked into the LUT for intergrade

shortfuse had to mod it

[scenic crystal]

I'm pretty sure the game is applying some sort of sharpening
This is DLAA at native 4k

[drowsy coyote]

no idea where you're seeing oversharpening here tbh

[scenic crystal]

I don't remember any game that would look this sharp with DLAA/DLSS without some sharpening

[drowsy coyote]

well yeah because this model is better and looks how it should look

[scenic crystal]

I'm using CNN here

[drowsy coyote]

ah

well unreal does have sharpening in post process so they might be using it (should, i guess)

[scenic crystal]

I think FF7Hook beta for Rebirth is out

Might try some cvars

[minor current]

it's like remake does that iun gameplay but not cut scenes

[fathom kernel]

HDR Brightness 10 = 900nits

i hope we can get a mod to fix it

[minor current]

you'll see cinematics are a bit brighter

[drowsy coyote]

some stuff went above 900 i think

[fathom kernel]

i didnt notice that

because the highlights not bright enough for me with Samsung S95C

[native eagle]

chest is even over 1000

the highest I've seen so far

[drowsy coyote]

what about

d65 / d93

[scenic crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-no-nonono-noooo-cat-no-gif-13597132752790194338

[gentle mantle]

FPS goes past 120 fps using the ffviihook beta 4 - so thats one issue down. At least it feels better than 120 😅

Just need HDR going above 1000 nits and lyall to patch up ultrawide and itll be golden 😎 🤞

[scenic crystal]

Save us, Shortfuse Wan Kenobi

[full viper]

https://github.com/Lyall/FF7RebirthFix/releases

[dusky kettle]

Do you guys feel the native HDR is adequate enough? Or would it be better with SK?

[hoary topaz]

Looks really nice, it's just up to 1000 nits 😄

[dusky kettle]

Brightness setting at 10 for approximately 1000 nits, right?

[hoary topaz]

yeah, I'm not sure about black floor, but it does hit 0 nits in some scenes, looks like there's an intended filter in many places which is okay, although not of everybody's taste

[scarlet forge]

hdr would have to be terrible for inverse tonemapping to be better

the hdr here is far better than the vast majority of games

[hoary topaz]

it's 39% of 4k with new dlss, needs some tweaking to make hair look better but still, not bad 😄

[obtuse prairie]

FYI, remake was a lerp between aces 1000 and SDR. That's what the game slider was lerping

[gentle mantle]

Awesome!

[coral lynx]

how do i change the dlss model in this game? its not showing up on NPI (the game not the preset)

would this work?

[gentle mantle]

With reshade, can we go past 1000 atm?

[scenic crystal]

For Rebirth, you just need to swap the DLSS file, the game will apply the latest model automatically

For other games, until other inspector gets updated, you need to put 0x0000000A there

[coral lynx]

is there a way to check if my game is using the transformer model?

[scenic crystal]

You can use dlsstweaks to force the global hud override

[native eagle]

Do you mean DLSS indicator or something else?

I think you can just set registry value to enable it

https://github.com/NVIDIA/DLSS/blob/main/utils/ngx_driver_onscreenindicator.reg

Or use toggle in SpecialK which does it for you

[scenic crystal]

No I mean DLSS hud
https://s20.directupload.net/images/250123/s6ib5rsm.jpg

[coral lynx]

i have dlss tweaks

idk how to do that

[scenic crystal]

Unless it's the same thing

[native eagle]

it's the same

Yeah, we're talking about the same thing

[coral lynx]

do i put it here?

or here

[scenic crystal]

No, it should work from any location

It's a global override

[coral lynx]

ok it is using preset J

[native eagle]

I’m trying to use your HDR recommendations for this game @scenic crystal but I’m running into a problem with PumboAutoHDR shaders. I’m injecting reshade via SK and have the shaders set up there, but I’m getting errors in the reshade log saying it can’t load the shaders. Maybe you have an idea of what I’m doing wrong?

[scenic crystal]

I don't use SK unless I have to, so can't help there

[native eagle]

I'll try without SK, that's probably a good idea

thanks

[coral lynx]

anyone else getting this weird transparancy issue with foliage?

it looks normal when theres other geometry behind it

[drowsy coyote]

is it dlss preset j or in general?

hmm seems to look weird on both, but it shimmers with the new transformer model

[native eagle]

this is DLSS preset J

TAA

I think TAA just smears it

To be honest, it looks like it’s an intentional solution designed with TAA in mind.

[drowsy coyote]

both these screenshots look kinda terrible tbf

[native eagle]

It’s a big zoom and a screenshot of a screenshot, so it’s probably my fault. I just didn’t know how else to show it.

But it is noticeable when you’re playing the game normally

Here are the original 1440p screenshots

[drowsy coyote]

right that looks correct now

seems like dlss has some problems with dithering?

[scenic crystal]

That's how they do distance foliage
It was the same on PS5

[coral lynx]

i see the same shit on close foliage too

[native eagle]

I would guess that TAA should smear it on the PS5 like on my second screenshot

[coral lynx]

if a sky is behind it the transparancy looks off

[scenic crystal]

Yeah, it's just more noticeable in the distance

Overall, the game looks kinda bad

Remake looked much better

[coral lynx]

a shame then. I think it still looks great tho

its a small issue

for me

[minor current]

this has been an oddity since ps5

[coral lynx]

ive played ps5 games ported to pc before this. never looked this odd

forbidden west and the last of us has heavy foliage that looks amazing

[minor current]

It's probably weird performance shit

[scarlet forge]

GI is kind of terrible in this game from what I've seen

very bland

looks like a disney+ show

[obtuse prairie]

Bloom needs to go

[scarlet forge]

the right is a reshade effect

but ya no added bloom is needed

[obtuse prairie]

Reshade effect's bloom needs to go

[scarlet forge]

they say its rtgi (prob martys mods) and dof

the added color from the reshade rtgi is nice

[obtuse prairie]

I feel GI shaders are marginally better than Flare sliders

[scarlet forge]

well its adding some shadowing

[obtuse prairie]

I did a comparison of RTGI on Starfield vs Luma's slider a while ago

[scarlet forge]

and ambient color is the main thing

[minor current]

yeah it's likely some kind of very light density probe or something

what reshade gi are you using?

[scarlet forge]

idk thats from someone else

[minor current]

ah

[scarlet forge]

wip

[minor current]

But yeah FFVIIR could benefit from some RT 😩

[scarlet forge]

skin looks bad here, but the shadowing in the hair is much nicer

[minor current]

The game is an achievement but only cause it's UE4 lol

[obtuse prairie]

Musa, do you have the game? It would be 2-3 shaders to mod if it's like Remake

[scarlet forge]

nah i dont have it

[obtuse prairie]

Then we wait for @scenic crystal to accept the mantle

https://tenor.com/view/come-play-with-us-the-shining-grady-twins-matchies-creepy-gif-12745398

[coral lynx]

what is that reshade

[scarlet forge]

idk just some screenshots someone posted

you can click on the link and ask

[coral lynx]

what link

[full viper]

I just really hate how the auto exposure/ eye adaptation works in this game.

That's probably my biggest complaint graphically

[scarlet forge]

I’ll mod it tomorrow

[scenic crystal]

All right, what do you want me to do?

[coral lynx]

so

I found a way to make the foliage look normal

TAAU vs DLSS4

I guess the transformer model is messing with the transparency in a way thats not intended? The game wasnt tested for DLSS4 so maybe thats why

[scenic crystal]

Yeah I've been saying this yesterday
TAAU handles the transparencies better

How does regular DLSS look there?

[coral lynx]

still shit lol

bruh did they not test this game with DLSS or what?

[full viper]

It's not the AA it's the actual texture

That's how it looks on PS5 too

[coral lynx]

guess ill keep playing with TAAU

maybe not. The transparency thing is only when they are set against the sky

TAAU just looks too blurry in motion

dlss is good 90% of the time

[full viper]

I was referring to this

[coral lynx]

oh im aware of that

i mean the trees

[full viper]

how does CNN model look

[coral lynx]

how it should look vs dlss

same thing

CNN model

TAAU also seems to run better

maybe I should just use DLDSR

[full viper]

How does hair look

[coral lynx]

Hair looks ok. the treeline is the only thing that stood out to me

or are you asking about hair with TAAU?

[full viper]

Yeah

[native eagle]

Maybe it looks like this because the game assets were designed with TAA in mind? Isn’t this kind of optimization pretty common? I think it was the same in RDR2, where disabling TAA made character hair dithering

[coral lynx]

but dlss worked on RDR2

[full viper]

I wonder how PiSSR compares

[native eagle]

I don't remenber if hair looked good in rdr2 with DLSS

[cunning pewter]

the old model did not

[scarlet forge]

dlss has some issues with foliage in rdr2
during sunset and sunrise when light shines through trees it looks super fucked up

[cunning pewter]

the new model does, or so from what i saw

[native eagle]

but TAA is obviously smearing the whole image, while DLSS really doesn’t

I’d guess that this smearing makes vegetation look okay, but it also ruins everything else

[native eagle]

RDR2 is an example of a game that really heavily relied on TAA

[scarlet forge]

ya

[coral lynx]

is there a dlss preset that fixes this?

[scenic crystal]

Not initially, it had the same issues until people figured out how to turn off sharpening
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0bmyk3he1k

Which is why I've been saying that the game has a sharpening pass applied

[scarlet forge]

ya turning off the sharpening is essential for rdr2 otherwise its unplayable

[scenic crystal]

Can you keep an eye out for any sings of sharpening when doing so? I wanna know I'm not crazy
Or maybe I am

[fathom kernel]

This is for what ?

for uncap fps ?

does anyone know how to get above 1000nits in HDR ?

i waiting for the fix 🙏

[scarlet forge]

in the last game it was baked into the LUT

so it required rewriting code

[native eagle]

there is a description of features in readme it's only for ultrawide support for now

but lyall usually adds a lot of extra features eventually

[full viper]

For Ultrawide

[fathom kernel]

Thanks for information

I hope we get HDR peak brightness fix

[full viper]

this foliage issue is much less noticeable using DLDSR with DLSS 66% than DLAA

[full viper]

https://github.com/Lyall/FF7RebirthFix/releases/tag/v0.0.2

[robust hinge]

FFVIIHook for Rebirth beta is released https://www.nexusmods.com/finalfantasy7remake/mods/74

[coral lynx]

oh is it marty's paid RTGI?

[scenic crystal]

I rolled back to the DLSS dll the game shipped with, and the game now doesn't have the oversharpen look, and the issue with the foliage seems greatly reduced
I wonder if the new DLSS has sharpening backed it

[coral lynx]

can you post a ss of the foliage infront of the sky

this is the best i managed to make it look with DLDSR

its not just dlss btw. every AA mode looks like this in motion

TAA just stabilizes the image when standing still

at least with DLSS its consistent

[minor current]

There is a sharpness setting in dlss

[minor current]

I think the way the game either tests againsts or clears depth with the sky is just odd.

That or they're using a unified noise pattern for distant trees which causes holes.

[coral lynx]

likely former. but it sure does look like its using a unified noise pattern

but TAA wouldnt fix that

it looks how its "supposed to" when u have TAA and standing still

[minor current]

TAA is maybe just generic enough to resolve it. This game was made with TAA in mind first and foremost

I've used a screenspace noise like that before and it resolved fine.

[coral lynx]

if only TAA didnt look like dogshit

[minor current]

It looks a little better but still lacks depth

[coral lynx]

Id play the game how its supposed to look like

heres same pic with TAA

[minor current]

I think the trees are only like this for this area I stopped noticing it later.

[coral lynx]

ok cool. thats good to hear

[minor current]

Yeah to me the holes in the tree shouldn't be there but it's deffinitely a better resolve.

There's another area later that's thick forest and I don't remember thinking "oh that tree oddity is back"

Yeah you can still see little sparkles in there

[coral lynx]

I think that is fine

gaps can be seen naturally through leaves

its only odd when the whole tree has the same uniform transparency

[minor current]

Yeah I'm just saying it's likely a screenspace dither applied to the whole thing.

To me those holes are pixels from the dithering pattern

[coral lynx]

makes it look like a flat texture

what res are you playing at?

is that DLSS?

[minor current]

No that was me zooming into your image

The taa one

[scenic crystal]

It was removed in 2.5.1

I've tried to disable sharpening with dlsstweaks but it didn't do anything

[minor current]

🤔

[coral lynx]

btw how does dlss work in this game?

is there no quality settings?

does it just work off the dynamic resolution?

[robust hinge]

seems like you just have to put the same max and min resolution in dynamic resolution to get the standard DLSS presets

[scenic crystal]

Know what? Never mind, I got placeboed

Speaking of placebo

https://www.nexusmods.com/finalfantasy7rebirth/mods/3?tab=files&file_id=15

https://tenor.com/view/twin-peaks-twin-peaks-s3-dramp-at-it-again-the-fucks-gif-16505025108359680516

[coral lynx]

lol

[scenic crystal]

I've decided to check how many of those cvars of his actually work

[coral lynx]

the trees dont bother me anymore

they look ok with dldsr

[scenic crystal]

I've commented out all that are unrecognized are unneeded, cause I'm a petty bitch

[minor current]

I want a cvar to enable rt reflections 😌

[native eagle]

honestly, it seems almost impossible to test all these options and actually confirm they do anything, especially in such a short time since release

[coral lynx]

is there a cvar to increase the groundcover lod distance?

the detailed plants pop in way too close

[scenic crystal]

I literally just did that
I've put every single one in the console to see if they do anything
It took me like a half of hour

It's a meme config

[native eagle]

and did you actually know what the options do, or did you just check if there was any noticeable change?

what I meant is that it’s impossible to ensure it’s a good option for a custom config like that and that everything works properly without anything being broken, etc.

[scenic crystal]

I've checked if the game recognizes the cvar, and if it does then what values it's using

[native eagle]

Ok so you've just checked if the game even recognizes given option

[scenic crystal]

Sure, but it's literally copy pasted from other games, this Paulo fella didn't even bother to check if those cvars were doing anything

[native eagle]

I know, basically what I wanted to say. This guy probably just copies it from other games without really understanding

You’d probably want to do some research on what this setting actually does and how it works specifically in this game. It’s impossible to figure all that out just one day after release, so it’s definitely nonsense

[obtuse prairie]

We had to add some shaders to Luma because people would turn on options in INIs not knowing what they do and trigger shader variations that were never supposed to be used.

[minor current]

considering most issues are probably shader comp unless it's disabling features that would trigger a shader comp i doubt much would improve things.

increasing the pool to use more memory can be nice tho, but i dunno if it really does anything.

[scenic crystal]

Murders your VRAM and causes stutters

[native eagle]

blessing and curse of pc gaming, I guess. Hardly surprising that some developers do really simple settings menus

[coral lynx]

yeah its not just the sky. the trees just have a shitty noise transparency on them

its just more noticeable with the sky since theres more contrast

wonder what the reason behind this is. Its clearly not helping visuals

is it to mimic individual leaves in distant trees?

I think a flat opaque texture would look more convincing

[minor current]

it's just a quirk of particular uses of dithering

Ideally the dithering would be UV based rather than screen based imo

one sec i have some old images

screen space dither

dithered UV space

you can see the bottom one is much fuller, while the former has a lot more holes and fading

you can see here the back of the hair isn't visible the dithering just passes through the whole mesh

[coral lynx]

yeah

[minor current]

I think it can be sometimes fine but it just depends

[coral lynx]

thats why higher resolution makes it look less cringe

cause its screen based

[minor current]

A better dither pattern might have helped too

something called interleaved gradient dithering helped me a lot.

Most stuff is just noise or bayer

this is bayer

noise would be like this

interleaved gradient is like this

another example

if someone modded the dithering to be like this it might fix it, plus the UV space thing

[dusky kettle]

So you you recommend not using the « streaming pool size » line? I have a RTX 4080.

[scenic crystal]

The game uses a value of 4000 for the streaming pool size, if you are hitting VRAM limitation reducing that might smooth out the frame times at the cost of some texture pop in
Increasing that will probably just cause the stuttering

The value proposed here (over 12gb) is absurd

[dusky kettle]

Interesting. So I guess that even with 16GB VRAM, I should leave it the default value of 4000

[umbral snow]

oh god the era guy? i shuder to think how many gamers TV and game settings he has ruined over the years :/

[jolly current]

Are the many low resolution textures a bug, or did they already exist in the PS5 version?

[jolly current]

Have you found a solution for this?

[umbral snow]

afaik it was the same on PS5, at least i remember a lot of complaints at the time. not sure if it was as worse as this - bc this is real bad - but the complaints were there fo sure

[coral lynx]

It's the assets themselves that don't have good textures. Nothing can be done about it. A lot of the terrain is created by placing different assets of rocky geometry. Problem is that they aren't all the same quality

[jolly current]

Too bad, because there are also very good textures it is even more noticeable.

[cunning pewter]

so

why does my camera just snap

in combat

is there any way i can change that holy fuck its awful

its jarring

[scenic crystal]

There are bunch of camera options in the menu

[cunning pewter]

yeah i noticed. tried fiddling with some of them but

none seemed to be responsible for how it was just snapping into angles while i was trying to turn my mouse

[dusky kettle]

https://youtu.be/o_CC2TZzBxM?si=54TBXRZwPcu1RiV0

[cunning pewter]

ill give that a look, thanks

[dusky kettle]

👆It has some pretty good advice and I detail explanations about various settings, including camera

[astral scarab]

You can try this:
[ConsoleVariables]
r.MassiveEnvironment.ViewLODScale=2
r.MassiveEnvironment.CoverageLODScale=2

the default value is 1

[buoyant fjord]

IAM PRETTY SURE IT WORKED

[coral lynx]

how do i use this?

[buoyant fjord]

https://www.nexusmods.com/finalfantasy7rebirth/mods/4

[buoyant fjord]

then create a engine.ini here and add this
[ConsoleVariables] r.MassiveEnvironment.ViewLODScale=2 r.MassiveEnvironment.CoverageLODScale=2

Should work

[coral lynx]

BRO THIS WORKS OMG I LOVE YOU ♥

I dont notice any pop-ins at all.

[scenic crystal]

How big is the performance hit?

[coral lynx]

im not noticing any impact

[jolly current]

Little impact, but no more pop in 🥹

Many thanks

[coral lynx]

so I tried these settings and while I still notice pop ins its much farther than Base game's Ultra settings.

with r.MassiveEnvironment.ViewLODScale=2 theres basically no pop ins at all

might try ViewLODScale=1 if you want more performance while still getting rid of the obnoxiously close LOD pop ins

Im still going with 2 on both cause my pc can handle it

[mystic breach]

Thanks for these settings. I noticed that the ground terrain flickers like crazy in certain locations and only when the camera is moved in the certain way. I'm not sure if that issue was always there or only since changing that setting

Would have to test further

[astral scarab]

I think its not related, because I had that problem in certain locations too without any mod.

[mystic breach]

Ok, are you using the new DLSS dll?

[astral scarab]

yes I'm using DLSS 4, maybe that?

The flicker I got is something like this

[mystic breach]

Was thinking so.

Mine was far worse than that, basically the entire ground in front of me was flickering black and back to normal very quickly. I remember it happening in the grassy area where you do the one fiend world intel thing. Killing 3 mandrakes. I'll try reproduce it and send a vid when I'm able to

[scenic crystal]

Might be a mesh shaders issue?

[coral lynx]

yep. the trees in Junon have better transparency

or maybe its the same but it looks better because the sky isnt as bright?

[jolly current]

Is there perhaps also a fix for the bad AO?

[native eagle]

coniferous trees at the end of the grasslands (swamps) didn’t have this problem either

[coral lynx]

the only thing i can think of is Marty's RTGI shader

its $5 paywalled though

[astral scarab]

Maybe, and I dont know if that can be fix with cvar.

[scenic crystal]

probably not

[chilly orchid]

What about lighting?

[chilly orchid]

Im assuming no changes to the PS5

[scenic crystal]

Nope

[main zinc]

yeah the game has a very flat look; could really use some high quality ao

[scenic crystal]

Shame NV didn't dump the truck load of money in front of SE offices, it's a perfect game for demonstrating the advantages of RT/PT

[coral lynx]

oh wtf

@mystic breach this what happens to you too?

anyone know how to set cvars ingame through console ?

[astral scarab]

use tilde "~" to open the console

And can you share your save file?

[coral lynx]

yeah but when i type in the cvar it says its not a valid command

[astral scarab]

you to type like this r.MassiveEnvironment.ViewLODScale 1

[native eagle]

From what I’ve read about this game’s development, this team doesn’t seem to like pushing new technology much. I think they just value fast development times by focusing on tech they know well and can be efficient

[coral lynx]

ok that fixed the flickering

[native eagle]

Although I've seen rumors that they might switch to UE5 for part 3?

[coral lynx]

tried 1.5

No pop ins and no more flickering

@mystic breach try this and see if it works

r.MassiveEnvironment.ViewLODScale=1.5

[astral scarab]

It still flickering at specific camera's angle for me without any tweaks.

[buoyant fjord]

is ur game frozen?

[astral scarab]

Wihtout any tweaks, default DLSS.

[coral lynx]

oh

[astral scarab]

Squrenix need to fix this I think 😅

[coral lynx]

maybe the save file also preserved the LOD settings?

[astral scarab]

No, because when I check it with console it reset to default

[buoyant fjord]

what is happening 😭

[buoyant fjord]

try putting the engine.ini to read only?

[coral lynx]

try that save file

and see for yourself

[buoyant fjord]

this one?

[coral lynx]

ok im no longer getting any flickers there after the 1.5 change

cant replicate it even with that save

[buoyant fjord]

is the grass popping noticable with 1.5?

[astral scarab]

the flickering is gone for me when I set Background Model Detail to High

[coral lynx]

what was it before?

[astral scarab]

Ultra

[coral lynx]

when u had the flickers

weird. I also have ultra

[buoyant fjord]

so the fix is either 1.5 / high?

[coral lynx]

1.5 so far has been good for me

[astral scarab]

the flickering happen at specifics camera's angle I need to slowly rotate the camera and my character to make it happen

[buoyant fjord]

i see

[coral lynx]

yeah

do u still get the flickers at r.MassiveEnvironment.ViewLODScale 1.5?

[astral scarab]

I will try without ffviihook

Still flicker lol, here is the spot I tried, you just need to rotate your camera and it start flickering

This is with Ultra background model detail

[buoyant fjord]

Its happening to me as well

[astral scarab]

completely gone with High setting

[buoyant fjord]

I made it happen on '1.5' as well

[coral lynx]

@astral scarab are you using dlss4?

[astral scarab]

no, default installation

background model detail at High change r.MassiveEnvironment.ViewLODScale to 0.2

[coral lynx]

default dlss?

[astral scarab]

yes all default

[coral lynx]

ok

so I changed my AA to TAAU and im seeing the flickering again

dlss4 seems to get rid of it completely at 1.5 ViewLODScale

so I guess it is the game

[astral scarab]

I found another LOD related cvar

r.Streaming.MassiveEnvironmentMipBiasForDeformMeshlets

[coral lynx]

nvm its flickering found another angle

[astral scarab]

To completely fix it I need to change the bg model detail to High

[cunning talon]

hey quick question, what’s the standard render percentage for DLSS Ultra Quality? something like 75%? trying to set it through the console here

[coral lynx]

dlss doesnt have Ultra Quality

It doesnt need it

FSR has one because even at quality it can look bad

[buoyant fjord]

i hate this

[cunning talon]

but… that’s not true. it does have it, just not in every game. but you can set it manually here. i just looked it up, i think it’s 77% render resolution. Quality DLSS is 66%

[coral lynx]

hmm

I think some games just make up an Ultra quality Preset. Technically dlss can upscale from any resolution to the target.

[cunning talon]

Jacken you can try to test out in rebirth

the line is r.DynamicRes.MaxScreenPercentage

then X render percentage

i think it only works through the console though

100 is DLAA of course

66 is Quality, same as the menu option

[coral lynx]

X render percentage?

[cunning talon]

yes

eg r.DynamicRes.MaxScreenPercentage 77

or whatever number you want

[coral lynx]

you have to set both

r.DynamicRes.MaxScreenPercentage 77
r.DynamicRes.MinScreenPercentage 77

otherwise it will be dynamic

[mystic breach]

Yes exactly that

[coral lynx]

improving the LOD seems to make that issue worse. but apparantly it happens even at default Ultra

[mystic breach]

seems to be an issue with the game itself and not DLSS as it happens regardless of default or latest DLL

[coral lynx]

its an LOD issue

scaling up the LOD seems to make everything turn black.

[mystic breach]

ugh

[coral lynx]

maybe thats why the base LOD values are so low

[mystic breach]

could be

[coral lynx]

try these settings. Did some troubleshooting and this is as High as I can go without seeing the issue happen

there is still pop in with this. but at least its not right under cloud's feet

maybe ViewLODScale 1 to be safe

[mystic breach]

This works, thanks!

[coral lynx]

i went back to the start of grasslands and that one spot still had the issue

had to go all the way down to 1.4 for Environment coverage. still better than base game's 1.0 value i suppose

[cunning talon]

oh shit that’s probably true

[scenic crystal]

@coral lynx Have you tried r.MassiveEnvironment.ViewLODScale=2 and r.MassiveEnvironment.CoverageLODScale=1?

From what I've seen, the game LOD setting only controls the former, latter is always at 1

might be what's causing the problem

[coral lynx]

yeah

nvm i read it wrong

but I did try raising r.MassiveEnvironment.ViewLODScale

and the higher it goes the more buggy it becomes

[scenic crystal]

But this was with CoverageLODScale at 1 or 2?

[coral lynx]

thats what im about to test

[scenic crystal]

cool

[coral lynx]

it was at 2 i think

[scenic crystal]

BTW Lyall posted the full cvar list
https://github.com/Lyall/FF7RebirthFix/blob/master/CVarDump.txt

[coral lynx]

yeah its there

both of these settings do affect the ground cover LOD distance

[scenic crystal]

The flickering is still there with CoverageLODScale at 1 ?

Or do you mean the cvar list?

[coral lynx]

yeah

heres a save file where im standing a good spot to test the LOD and flickering

[full viper]

I tried 1.4 it only seems to work with DLSS not TAAU also getting artifacts on the ground here.

this is at 100% DLAA

[cunning talon]

is there any way to make the console text size bigger? it is absolutely tiny on a 4K television

[scenic crystal]

Setting both ViewLODScale and CoverageLODScale to 1.5 seems to eliminate the issue

[coral lynx]

whats the command to increase freecam speed

[coral lynx]

in the area of the save file for sure but i went back to the start and it looks like this

[scenic crystal]

FUCK

[buoyant fjord]

did u loose ur save file

[scenic crystal]

no, why

[buoyant fjord]

I assumed so cos u said f in all caps 🤣

[coral lynx]

this area is just cursed

its happening even at 1.4 coverage

ffs

[robust hinge]

Is the dynamic res weird for anyone else? It just seems to get stuck after a minute in the Max value even though the frame rate drops to the 50s

this is with the replaced DLSS4

[scenic crystal]

This particular spot flickers even with defaults
Haven't been able to trigger it anywhere else so far, so 1.5 should be fine

[robust hinge]

nvm, stray engine.ini variable

another question, you guys know how to superres? If I enter more than 100 in Max res it just freezes the frame

[coral lynx]

try dldsr

[cerulean harness]

Any tweaks that can be done to Rebirth's HDR? Seems a little muted compared to the Renodx mod for Remake.

[buoyant fjord]

I just tried special k fake full screen with this game and my perf basically double , stable frame rate no stutters. Is it fine to use it with ff7 rebirth (idk whether ff7 rebirth is dxgi hdr etc etc, i forgot what was written in the exact description)

[scarlet forge]

its dxgi hdr

[buoyant fjord]

Hm i see

[buoyant fjord]

• iam using opti to unlock fsr / intel upscaling
• set my res to 4k (I normally play on 2160p)
• hdr didn't work once according to lilium hdr analytics thing (so deleted reshade.ini and tried to reset config) (Also had to off compatibility mode and loaded reshade as 'early'?) and hdr was 'detected again'?
• also i set steam log (silent=true) hmm

[minor current]

UE texture streaming issues are legendary

[minor current]

That just looks like z fighting it can happen sometimes if they didn't notice it

[astral scarab]

@coral lynx @buoyant fjord I think I found the fix for the flicker with high lod, but the performance hit is really Big
You can try r.MassiveEnvironment.MainPassRenderMode 0
0 = Normal, 1 = Batched, 2 = Visibility, 3 = MeshletVisibility (default is 3)

[cunning talon]

@scenic crystal tell me how to increase the font size when you open the tilde console

[scenic crystal]

No idea

I'm pretty sure console is a legacy feature

So I doubt epic cares about it

[buoyant fjord]

Hm how big?

Approx

[astral scarab]

I got 15 FPS with 3080ti at DLSS 50% 4K

[buoyant fjord]

Bruh

[coral lynx]

whats 2 like?

or maybe even 1

[astral scarab]

Just try it yourself hehe.
IIRC 1/2 make the ground invisible

[buoyant fjord]

😆

[coral lynx]

ok yah it eliminated the issue but also makes the game unplayable

it shows 54fps to me but it feels like 12 fps

im fine with playing with some pop ins with coverageLOD at 1.6

[coral lynx]

my reshade fps counter was broken so maybe it really was 12fps lmao

[minor current]

Last time they did that was FFXV and it was glorious

[robust hinge]

Do I have to disable dynamic resolution to use depth buffers in reshade? It keeps jumping around

[scenic crystal]

https://youtu.be/mtP6QbWbfIc

[patent abyss]

is there a way to get framegeneration without hud bugging (optiscaler)

[dusky kettle]

according to Blitz, you can. But on the mod page, a bunch of comments mention that with the hub fix, the FG is disablded and the fps numbers you see onscreen are not valid. I, am not sure either. https://youtu.be/smieezA2Pc4?si=sx93CKlVNzBiqb1N

[patent abyss]

yeah i tried it he is right with hud fix it doesnt show the generated frames

[buoyant fjord]

Its broken irc

Would have been nice

I think even with fg only it doesn't work properly

[patent abyss]

i think the only way is to hallucinate fps with lossless scaling with artifacts here and there

[buoyant fjord]

Maybe yeah

[dusky kettle]

to be fair, the amount of effort that the community put into the game to make it better in just few days is already really amazing. I am sure that we won't have to wait much longer to get proper functioning FG.

[minor current]

This release is so successful square might put more effort into this next time, I wonder if it justifies some updates

They could just add it to promote the 50 series

[patent abyss]

knowing squareenix they wont add shit

[lean sluice]

theyre already ditching exclusive for the next game so there's a higher chance they put in more work

[robust hinge]

I'm betting they're not adding any graphical features. Saving it for the Remastered Remake that combines all three games

ray tracing and such

I gotta say, remake has way better lighting than rebirth

the downside of majority of the game being in the open world

[minor current]

Yeah but nvidia might put up some money

at least for frame gen

But yeah i wage most stuff would be for a re-release

[minor current]

yeah cut scenes still more or less look the same, but gameplay is a good deal worse

[gentle mantle]

Looking for abit of guidance with vii remake - cant get renodx working 😦

#🔆hdr-gaming messagee

[steel fog]

same, i installed the plugin version of reshade and threw the file on the correct folder. The reshade overlay shows it enabled, but whatever i do on the sliders it has no effect on the picture

[buoyant fjord]

I thought that u said rebirth for a sec

[obtuse prairie]

Do you have HDR enabled in Windows?

[gentle mantle]

Yes

[obtuse prairie]

What graphic options do you have enabled?

[scenic crystal]

Are you forcing DX11? Using DXVK?

[gentle mantle]

Nope, running native.

[obtuse prairie]

Maybe there's a shader for ultra wide. Try 1920x1080 windowed.

Uh, also, this is Remake?

[gentle mantle]

Yes, 7 remake

[obtuse prairie]

Do you have an ini modifications?

[gentle mantle]

I think I've unlocked the FPS - but will double-check.

Reno is working in windowed mode.

[gentle mantle]

Same behaviour after removing all mods.

[obtuse prairie]

It's probably the ultra wide resolution. I'd imagine a missing shader somewhere

Also: #1317707168107200512

[coral lynx]

is there a way to get rid of this filter?

game looks good in motion but when i stand still or try to take a picture in photomode this filter shows up.

[scarlet forge]

Is that from the new DLSS

[coral lynx]

maybe. it seems to be more apparant with dlss

[coral lynx]

kinda fixed it by doing this

this doesnt seem to be an issue when i change res to 4k tho

or maybe it looked that way cause i was downscaling 4k to 1440p

same scene again for reference

this is with the optiscaler thing. not by playing on 4k

[full viper]

No it was in the base PS5 version as well just more noticable now

[minor current]

they really used that dither behavior everywhere in that area huh?

[coral lynx]

not just in that area. it seems to be in use for every foliage/transparant object in the game

[scenic crystal]

I'm getting GTA5 flashbacks
I guess that explains why console versions look blurry as shit

[minor current]

🤔

I guess there really needs to be a shader mod to modify the dither pattern mapping

It was fine on PS5 but on PC it's issues show

[scenic crystal]

You could already see the dither pattern on 5Pro IIRC

[minor current]

you could in some cases for sure

but now it's worse

All that needs to happen is someone modifying the shader to map the dithering to UV instead of screen

That would solve the problem entirely

I dunno how possible that is tho

[chilly orchid]

Verdict on the DLSS transformer model?

No regressions?

[scenic crystal]

Someone posted thos cvars on era

r.MassiveEnvironment.ViewLODScale=1.25
r.MassiveEnvironment.CoverageLODScale=1.25
r.MassiveEnvironment.SimpleInstanceLODScale=1.5```

Can confirm this eliminates the near camera pop in seemingly without any downsides
except hitting the performance like a motherfucker

[robust hinge]

yeah after I hit the second area (with the big gun) I had to scale back some lods

[scenic crystal]

cvars that control min and max resolution for DRS

[vale pilot]

do you know what the default is for r.DynamicRes.TargetedGPUHeadRoomPercentage?

thank you for this

[scenic crystal]

5

[steel fog]

We got a Renodx for Rebirth?

[random fjord]

I've heard it's coming, but I don't have any more info other than that

[scenic crystal]

Renodx development thread https://discord.com/channels/1161035767917850784/1332490057591947355

[patent abyss]

ff7r frame gen hud fix yet .

?

[coral lynx]

is this a bug?

[buoyant fjord]

Intended feature for sure

[coral lynx]

asking cause its not even out of the way or anything

its right in the path of a side objective.

[jolly current]

No problem with the build in hud fix here

[patent abyss]

its not working try on vs off and move the camera u will immediately notice the difference

its just showing numbers

but fps is the same

[jolly current]

I cant confirm this. Have you checked the “Immediate Capture” box?

[coral lynx]

has anyone else have significant performance improvement after updating to win11 24h2

[scenic crystal]

How siginificant?

Do you have any before/afters?

[torpid hamlet]

I’ve seen some minor gains on yt comparisons, it is said unreal 5 benefits the most

[minor current]

Someone just told me people have been updating a direct sotrage dll for better performance and avoiding some softlock issues?

[scenic crystal]

I've seen this a lot, did it myself, but can't say I see any difference in one way or the other
I saw tons of folks claiming it solved their performance woes, but no one provided the receipts yet

Same with the Rebar

[steel fog]

There are some gains that a stock 23h would be holding you back, but you could disable some performance hindering features on 23H that wouldd nullify this gap.

I use a debloated version of windows by installing it with a XML file that would see no change between 23h and 24

[minor current]

Maybe it's a proton thing

apparently one source is mudahar but i know that dude plays at minimum through a vm of windows but otherwise proton

[mystic breach]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26-Vlqmbq8c

[robust hinge]

YOU GUYS LIKE NOISE?

[lean sluice]

new preset K came out that improves J
https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/info-zone-gengines-ray-tracing-ai-dlss-dlaa-dldsr-tsr-fsr-xess-directsr-and-mods-etc.439761/page-192#post-6303360

[patent abyss]

can i force it in ff7r ?

[lean sluice]

it just uses the latest preset which is K rn if you change the files

[buoyant fjord]

any amd users upgraded to this driver?
https://www.amd.com/en/resources/support-articles/release-notes/RN-RAD-WIN-25-1-1.html
If so any improvements?

[buoyant fjord]

Can u give some examples hmm

[steel fog]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2024/08/28/amd-ryzen-windows-speed-boost-available-to-all-heres-how-to-get-it/

This pretty much sums it up, you don't even need the tweaks anymore, KB5041587 already makes 23H2 catch up with 24H2.

[lean sluice]

even 22h2 got that update

[buoyant fjord]

alright thank you

[coral lynx]

my game keeps setting itself to below normal priority on task manager

even after manually adjusting it to high

ok it keeps changing from high to normal to below normal

[robust hinge]

GOAT https://www.nexusmods.com/finalfantasy7rebirth/mods/138

with a 99 cap you can make max 9 Hi-Potions before you need to go out foraging again

9 potions can make a whole 3 Mist Hi-Potions :S

[cunning talon]

is there still not an official nvidia profile for ff7rebirth?

[minor current]

They been slacking on the game profiles

[cunning talon]

is preset K the new DLSS4 default or does it have to be forced through inspector with that custom xml?

[obtuse prairie]

i'm sure the dlss4 issues will get fixed once somebody at squenix actually gets a RT50x0 card

[lean sluice]

preset K is the default of newest DLSS4

You need to check if in programData/nvidia/ngx/models/dlss /versions you should have the folder called “20316673” .
If so, you can use nvidia profile inspector to set globally the preset “latest” which means K by changing these flags:

Enable DLSS-SR override: 0x00000001
Override DLSS-SR presets: 0x00FFFFFF

You don’t need any xml, dll will be overriden with driver dll
As for profile inspector you can do it with orbmu fixed (latest release)

@cunning talon

[cunning talon]

awesome, thank you @lean sluice !

[patent abyss]

can confirm it works

[cunning talon]

sorry if this is off-topic but is it generally safe to use new DLSS versions in multiplayer games?

[coral lynx]

@lean sluice im not seeing Override DLSS-SR Presets

or is this what you meant?

[lean sluice]

it's probably RR yeah I'm only copy pasting from someone else

[robust hinge]

do you have the custom .xml? You don't need it anymore

[coral lynx]

i did

is tht the problem

[robust hinge]

with the custom .xml it's named something like DLSS 3.5 preset override

[coral lynx]

i deleted the xml and now its there ty

[robust hinge]

but if you delete the xml it should be there below override sr performance

👍

[lean sluice]

Oh crap I didn't realise I also had the custom xml

Ty gang

[coral lynx]

anyone else getting TERRIBLE performance issues when using Special K?

the past 10 or so hours have been awful for me in this game and I just took that to mean the region im in (Junon) is unoptimized

i tried everything and frame rates still drop to as low as 12 when im panning the camera

only just now tried opening without Special K and all that is gone. smooth as butter now

[scenic crystal]

From my experience SK really dislikes UE games

[coral lynx]

thats a shame. It was really useful for HDR screenshots

oh well, I can stick with Nvidia app for it i suppose

[scarlet forge]

I use game bar

unless nvidia changed something

their screenshots are 32bpc

so takes up extra space with 0 extra quality

[coral lynx]

huge yeah but i convert them after anyway

[scarlet forge]

same

[coral lynx]

ABIP

[scarlet forge]

there's also SKIV

[scenic crystal]

SKIV can take HDR screenshots by itself

[coral lynx]

oh i dont need special K?

[scenic crystal]

No

[scarlet forge]

nah its a standalone app

specialk image viewer

[coral lynx]

this is also probably the reason my game's cpu priority was all over the place

its no longer doing that

[coral lynx]

ugh nvm i think its just im running into vram issues after some time playing fresh session always feel smooth

maybe ill just turn down that background model detail till i get better cpu or more ram

[scenic crystal]

How much vram do you have?

[coral lynx]

12