▫️Silent Hill 2 Remake

[tough scarab]

I will eventually, but RE4 VR is next level and the mods can't compare

[open zenith]

To my knowledge, ever FG solution recommends a minimum of 60 to reduce artifacts.

Some devs ignore this, so artifacts become muuuuch more visible

[tough scarab]

FSR minimum recommended is 60

DLSS FG is 40

I have used it in the 30s with Cyberpunk at high resolutions, and it was fine, depends on the game

[open zenith]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68oI_tkJEoc Depends indeed on how quickly the game visuals change/move.

Plus perception of it looking good or not differs per person likely

[neat kestrel]

I think base 40 is probably the lowest you wanna go

[open zenith]

But likely higher for fast-paced games

[neat kestrel]

I didn't watch the video yet though

[neat kestrel]

yea

well in cyberpunk i did base 40 and it was basically fine

i capped to 80

i even forced vsync (and i dont have VRR) so even with the input lag it felt fine

but others may not tolerate that

[open zenith]

Horizon Zero Dawn Remasterd decompressed

Goodbye haha

[neat kestrel]

I can't bring myself to replay that game

it's too boring lol

I still don't understand why it needed a remaster

[open zenith]

Shut up 🤪😋

[neat kestrel]

haha

[gray parrot]

I couldnt even play it more than an hour originally, let alone go for seconds.

[neat kestrel]

I likely won't play the 3rd game

[tough scarab]

the sequel was boring. I thoroughly enjoyed the first game and expansion. 2nd game there was no longer any interesting mystery, no likeable characters, halfway through I started speedrunning it to be done

even the flashy graphics couldn't keep me engaged

[neat kestrel]

I got upset at the ending of the 2nd game where they set up the 3rd game. It's like continuing the storyline just for the sake of continuing the storyline

[summer gyro]

Sylens is the only good character in the series tbh

[neat kestrel]

yea and the actor past away 😦

he was such a good actor

he's absolutely hilarious in the Comedy Central show Corporate

as the CEO

[tough scarab]

2nd game where he has to be recast

[crystal flame]

he would've been in alan wake 2 too

[tough scarab]

that's what I mean

[crystal flame]

hm so that's 3

destiny 2

[summer gyro]

Oh damn I didn’t know he was in quantum break

[tough scarab]

he was going to be Door in AW2

[crystal flame]

yeah

[tough scarab]

but the guy they got to replace him is really good, almost feels like his brother or cousin

[crystal flame]

yeah he channeled him well

[tough scarab]

I remember that guy from Advanced Warfare campaign too

[crystal flame]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l51GDgbMieE|| (aw2 spoiler)

[neat kestrel]

How is the DLC for AW2? I havent played it yet

it's next on my list after SH2

spooky gaming marathon

[tough scarab]

it's very good

but too short

it took me roughly 3 hours playing slowly and reading every note

collecting everything

[neat kestrel]

I need to remember which HDR settings I used for the main game

[tough scarab]

also it has a missable teaser "trailer" for Control 2

[neat kestrel]

I'm absolutely loving Silent HIll 2 though

so spooky

[tough scarab]

If you haven't seen the trailer for the expansion don't watch it

because it spoils the only new enemy introduced in it

[neat kestrel]

aight

yea i haven't seen it

[tough scarab]

I wish I hadn't, I assumed the expansion would be much longer like half the main game at least

trailer spoils the first encounter/reveal of the new enemy type

would have been way scarier and totally unexpected going in blind

[crystal flame]

i liked the second dlc much more than the first

[tough scarab]

I heard the first one was a contractual obligation

and they had to make it quickly

[pallid lava]

https://youtu.be/zY-BIuW8Cg0

Ersh mod (briefly) featured at 7:56

[neat kestrel]

He's famous

[neat kestrel]

I tried DLSS FG out in this game. Seems fine to me

[neat kestrel]

@summer gyroDo you remember if the Mid Luminance slider affects peak brightness in this game?

[summer gyro]

didn't check

you might be better off just maxing the peak slider and using dice

[neat kestrel]

I could try that

When do you prefer to use Dice vs. bt.2390?

[summer gyro]

i usually only used bt2390 rgb

does dice have rgb now

[neat kestrel]

I'm not sure

[summer gyro]

there was an update

adjusting bt.2390's knee offset doesn't look good usually

but adjusting dice's shoulder works fine

[neat kestrel]

i think it does

Is Dice the one that's kind of dynamic and adjusts based on the scene?

[summer gyro]

i guess it depends if the game needs highlights to become desaturated

i think there's an adaptive mode but I never tried that

[neat kestrel]

I never tried adaptive either but i think with dice you don't enter the peak brightness value

you just enter the target

[summer gyro]

you might be thinking of inverse tonemapping

[neat kestrel]

one sec i'll check

you don't enter the max luminance value

I thought it was supposed to detect it somehow

compared to bt2390 where you enter it

[summer gyro]

it takes target luminance

from the top

the max input luminance might just be max float

[neat kestrel]

what exactly does that mean

[summer gyro]

at what point does it clip any value over

like if you set max input luminance to 10k in bt2390

everything above 10k just clips

[neat kestrel]

yea

i wasn't sure what you meant by it uses max float

[summer gyro]

the maximum floating point number that can be represented

in scrgb it would be whatever the fp16 max float is I guess

and in hdr10 it would just be 125 in bt709 linear

idk I haven't looked at the actual code

[neat kestrel]

alrighty

[neat kestrel]

in theory it's like the same thing right?

[summer gyro]

if you raise it to 1 it also slightly raises midtones

[neat kestrel]

oh ok

i usually leave it on default with bt2390

[summer gyro]

ya same

[neat kestrel]

I'm really frustrated with SH2 HDR controls lol

[summer gyro]

i would just start from the defaults and raise the mid and min luminance a little bit as you raise peak

then scale everything down with pumbo to a good paper white and thats it

the defaults look about the same as sdr

[neat kestrel]

can you not get it to a good paperwhite with the in game controls?

[summer gyro]

the brightness slider in the in game controls looks like exposure

so you can't lower brightness without completely changing hue/saturation/contrast

[neat kestrel]

And the mid luminance slider won't get you just kinda lower average brightness?

so you can try to make it look like a lower nit sdr

[summer gyro]

it lowers the brightnes but it also completely changes the look of the game

[neat kestrel]

ok i see

And which SDR nit level do the defaults look like again?

[summer gyro]

300 ish

[neat kestrel]

ok i'll give your settings a try I think

but just adjust the peak formula and then i'll have to move midtones

[neat kestrel]

it's this?

[summer gyro]

ya if you lower peak you also have to lower midtones by a little bit and minimum little more

i moved midtones from 50 to 53

[neat kestrel]

by lower minimum luminance you mean push it down on the graph? I forget which way the slider goes. I think higher values are darker?

[summer gyro]

minimum luminance slider goes from like -20 to 0

[neat kestrel]

something like that

[summer gyro]

so just lower it to maybe -4 as a start

[neat kestrel]

these are your newest?

[summer gyro]

I found that -4 looked close to sdr without ersh's fix. I ended up raising the minimum luminance with ersh's fix

[summer gyro]

ya

[neat kestrel]

Did a comparison

your settings vs sdr 140 in this spot

[summer gyro]

-4 was closer to sdr without the mod, so it might be worth messing around with lowering minimum luminance to -4 and then raising the contrast offset

but im also ok with it as is

[neat kestrel]

i used your exact peak

just wanted to check the charts

graphs don't exactly match up but it's likely impossible

ah i forgot to change shortfuse's setting to 25

i'll have to retake those later

[summer gyro]

mod is by ersh

[neat kestrel]

yea i meant ersh

i left it at default 30 by mistake

[neon tusk]

Wow! I am using the same settings but your output looks WAY nicer. Warmer and colors seem richer. I gotta be screwing something up lol 😆 Wonder if I should adjust gamma on my s90d

[neat kestrel]

@summer gyrook here's with ersh mod at 25

woops sorry

[summer gyro]

Nice

[neon tusk]

@neat kestrel Are you in the apartments for the first time? I'm wondering if it goes "otherside ish" later hence explaining the difference I'm seeing

Also assuming your screenshots are at the apartments first floor lol

Great results btw

[neat kestrel]

it does. i got past this part. I just like this area for testing

[neon tusk]

Ahh that is probably it.. Looks like I have some spookiness to look forward too XD

Also this game is freaking amazing. First horror game I've played. Cannot get through some levels without my GF there lol ..

We are gonna play Alan wake 2 next.. Truly embracing the Halloween vibes lol

I love how they "deaden"/clamp output of light sources . Really an eerie effect.. Also great call using Pumbo to reintroduce this effect in HDR. Really boosts atmosphere.

[neat kestrel]

okay here's my attempt to get it to match yours with a lower peak brightness. I just left ersh's fix at 30. I was able to get it close.

Yours

Mine

[summer gyro]

nice

[neat kestrel]

yea so lowering peak brightness seems to push up both midtones and shadows

you mentioned it changes overall contrast but wouldn't that mean it would push down shadows and raise midtones?

[summer gyro]

yes

i said raising peak increases contrast

[neat kestrel]

oh thought you said lowering my apologies

[neat kestrel]

i finally made it out of the prison

[gray parrot]

Lol same... but apparently we're still fucked 🤪

[neat kestrel]

yep the labyrinth is brutal

[lost spire]

SH2 hdr is probably pog a.f

I have all defaults, -4 min, and ersh's renodx mod [default settings]

just when you're tired of the white fog, you go into a room and get blasted with the most colorful lights ever, its great

this feels like "WCG done right"

[neat kestrel]

What is pog?

[rigid river]

same question here

[sterile mauve]

interjection Slang. (used as an exclamation of approval, especially in video game chat):

[pallid lava]

pog is short for poggers, which is a word to describe excitement, joy, or to hype
For example:

HDR is poggers
or
Cuban missile crisis was not poggers

[neat kestrel]

Is Marat making up words again?

[pallid lava]

Sadly no

[pallid lava]

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pog

[neat kestrel]

"it used to be something that people said in a streamers chat when something remarkable happened but now its an overused shitpost meme that makes me laugh every fucking time for some reason"

[neat kestrel]

I'm not sure a main character has ever gotten rekt as consistently as James from SH2

[gray parrot]

what is rekt? did you mean to say wrecked

[tough scarab]

wrecked

[gray parrot]

#🖼️hdr-screenshots message

[neat kestrel]

Rekt is the gamer way to spell it

[gray parrot]

I am learning so much in Discord... Rekt and Pog and Gib

[pallid lava]

Wait till you find out about kek

[neat kestrel]

Pwnd

[gray parrot]

kek?

I know pwnd

[rigid river]

The only kek I know is from World of Warcraft

[summer gyro]

Did the original have music playing in all the cutscenes

It feels kinda off here

Looked it up and it is in the original

Was watching Maria’s intro scene

Though the music is louder in the original

Very early 2000s feel to the music

[neat kestrel]

I made it to the ruined hallway labyrinth level

Shit is wild

[gray parrot]

Stop following me!

[neat kestrel]

😛

[gray parrot]

hehe the staircases just have me stressed af

also was somebody crying wolf about a wall of arms not included in this game?

or was that something else @neat kestrel

[neat kestrel]

i have no idea ha

[neat kestrel]

damn ||eddy is a fuck||

[neat kestrel]

I just got past the labyrinth. Almost there

[tough scarab]

https://youtu.be/nSKwP2AUdkk

[sterile mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/toy-story-ooo-wow-aliens-gif-12343918

[neat kestrel]

@crystal flame someone in U+ is saying the latest patch broke your black floor mod. I don't have the game installed to test but was curious if you've checked it.

[crystal flame]

i've checked. it works.

the only reason it wouldnt work is if they'd edited the shaders in the update

which of course isn't the case, and likely won't ever be

[neat kestrel]

gotchya

he said he submitted it as an issue on your github too

glad to hear it still works

[pallid lava]

So after replaying OG Silent Hill 2 twice in the row now (first PS2 version in the most period accurate way I could [with the exception of 60 fps hack] and then PC EE), I've finally got around to the remake

Good god, it might be even bigger technical clusterfuck than Jank Survivor now

The stuttering is truly unbelievable, and I didn't even get to the apartments yet

But also, the game has an entire buffet of image quality options, and all of them look like garbage

Every single one

TSR/TAA is probably the least cursed, if you can tolerate horrendous amounts of ghosting

Everything else straight up breaks post-processing and hair rendering

I kinda regret buying this now tbh, even Dead Space Remake didn't looked/felt this bad

Not to mention the game is insanely laggy with vsync or any kind of frame rate cap

Just a complete dumpster fire on the technical level

[sterile mauve]

i guess you could call it a bit of a bloober

[pallid lava]

[gray parrot]

Use U+ and cap frames in NCP - you will have a much better experience (not 100% amazign but tollerable).

[pallid lava]

Yesterday I've spent over 3h trying to whip it into shape

Every combination of settings, every config on nexus, every frame rate limiter

Nothing really works

For me

And i have 12600k and 3080 12gb

Not exactly a toaster

Maybe 3d processors work better, dunno

But the performance is a disaster no matter what

Actually, no, performance itself is actually fine

But you can't take 5 steps without the game hitching

[sterile mauve]

animation stutter?

[ebon zealot]

lock it to 60 externally via vsync and set the cap to 60 in-game. gets rid of the animation stutter. there are a lot of traversal stutters even on a 7800x3d, but not every 5 steps lol. in my experience the opening town part is the worst performing. especially around neely's bar

some big hitches there

also try it without sk if you're using it

it was causing additional stutter for some here

[pallid lava]

Also, for some reason disabling the in game frame rate limiter like doubles the input lag

I think I've got it to 300ms with some combination of settings

Lol

I've tried to cap the game to 30 to tone down stutters, but it usually gave me around 150ms of lag, and it didn't really helped with the stuttering either

[ebon zealot]

that's a lot of lag. i can't say i noticed any when messing around with settings but i'm not super sensitive. i feel like i would have noticed 150ms though...

[pallid lava]

Oddly enough, presentmon reports that the stutters are caused by the GPU and not CPU like in every other game

I feel like bloober had to break the engine somehow, lol

This might be the worst behaving UE game I've seen, and that's saying something

[ebon zealot]

30 fps on a 7800x3d got rid of pretty much all the stutter. played the entire prison level and didn't see a single one. but it's 30 fps so i'd rather have the stutter with a higher framerate personally

[quartz epoch]

I capped to 30 externally and used the -UseFixedTimeStep launch command that Alex mentioned in the DF coverage and that helped mitigate the worst of it, but it still wasn't especially smooth

[ebon zealot]

i found 60 to be a good compromise. past the opening town area i didn't find the stutter to be intrusive. nowhere near as bad as something like dead space or jedi survivor pre-patch

[crystal flame]

there's no fix for streaming stutter

and I agree with @pallid lava that i found the game to feel worse than jedi survivor did on launch

[ebon zealot]

crazy

i guess if you exclude koboh i would say sh2 does perform worse than jedi survivor

[crystal flame]

not to mention dead space which i consider fairly inoffensive with regards to stutter

[ebon zealot]

but that area around the hub was horrendous at launch

no way

dead space is the only game i've stopped playing on pc this generation (or last) because of performance

it was so bad

tolerable after upgrading to a 7800x3d, but unplayable to me on a 5900x

[crystal flame]

like, you have a small stutter precisely when you open a door in dead space
in sh2 you have a large stutter every few steps at nondescript position in the middle of a hallway or somewhere like that

[ebon zealot]

that was definitely not my experience in dead space

[quartz epoch]

I never found it too intrusive in Dead Space remake with the stutters largely being limited to opening doors, but yeah, I found SH2 remake horrific generally for it

[ebon zealot]

if it was just at doors it wouldn't be a big deal

[crystal flame]

hm weird. something else going on there maybe

[ebon zealot]

i've read that the faster the storage you have it stored on the worse the stutter is, with it almost being completely gone when playing from an HDD

[quartz epoch]

should have made them take longer to open Metroid Prime style

[crystal flame]

i have played it on a nvme

[ebon zealot]

yeah i dono then

playing at 60 or unlocked?

rt?

[crystal flame]

unlocked, maxed out

i never lock fps, i use vrr, so the worst potential scenario for stutters

[pallid lava]

I've said this before, but Dead Space being so oppressively dark kinda helps make stuttering somehow more tolerable
Kinda like some VR games give you an option for a very aggressive vignette to help with motion sickness

[neat kestrel]

I played Dead Space Remake on a 3080 on max settings at 1440p and it felt fine?

Lol

[ebon zealot]

weird. anyway, sounds like sh2 is for yall what dead space was to me. a stutter every 5 feet, and not just a stutter. it was a hitch

i reinstalled a few weeks ago to test out hdr in the game and it was the exact same as it was. just immediately started stuttering lol

crazy

if the ps5 version didn't also stutter while also looking considerably worse i'd just play it there

i'm curious what yalls experience is with elden ring

[glossy pivot]

it stutters building shaders

never truely goes away

[pallid lava]

One of the reasons I haven't played it yet

Other being that I know for sure it will consume like a three months of my life

[glossy pivot]

its still worth to play it

theyll never fix it

[neat kestrel]

With U+, latest game patch, and vsync off using in game framerate limiter at 60, using a controller, with framegen, it was honestly good enough in my opinion

[ebon zealot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsH2UBshYbQ

fresh install, no shader cache

[ebon zealot]

bonus DLC video with a 60 fps cap set in the NVCP to smooth out the frametime graph. again, first time going to the DLC after reinstall so no cache for most of this stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAf7dNhpKlI

glad i finally took vids of ER so i can post them next time someone on resetera smugly says that the pc version has stuttering no matter what. it's performed like this for me since day 1. i feel like i'm taking crazy pills when people say this game runs poorly no matter the hardware. it runs this smoothly at 120 fps as well

[tough scarab]

remove affinity from ecores

that was the fix I found

same cpu

in ER it was to remove affinity from C0

[pallid lava]

Oh god, they are going with the ||time loop theory being cannon||, and they are not even being subtle about it

[strong stream]

Where

[pallid lava]

I mean, there are those interactions prompts all over the game that give you "flashbacks" which I initially thought were just easter eggs,
But then James and Maria had a conversation before entering the bowing alley, that literally doesn't make sense unless you played the original, and ||James actually remembers the conversation from the OG game||
And then the same thing happens when James enters the theater

[neat kestrel]

I never played the original so i didn't notice at all

[summer gyro]

so this is basically ff7 remake

[neat kestrel]

I figured they were just throwbacks to the original

like the "nostalgia" flashes

[summer gyro]

well not different timelines but the original stuff already happened

[pallid lava]

Yeah, it's ||a time loop or a purgatory, same shit either way||

Another example is ||Maria reacting to the Baldwin Mansion despite not remembering why, tho this one is even weirder because Born from a Wish is technically a prequel||

Quick google shows that ||the Polaroid photos scattered across the game also tie into this||

https://tenor.com/view/liam-neeson-why-darkman-gif-10580616

It literally adds nothing except being a theory buster

I dunno if I can even blame Bloober for this, busting people's theories on twitter seems to be Masahiro Ito's favorite pastime

This also ties to my other big complaint so far: the game cannot help itself from saying the quiet parts out loud

Like, okay, ||Maria looks like she looks and has keys for the strip club, audience can put 2+2 together||
But apparently not, ||because now she has to literally start pole dancing to get the point across||

ngl, so far the game is confirming almost all my fears

The pacing is also wack, the game feels longer for the sake of being longer, none of the stuff they added for the remake so far adds anything of value

I mean, it's not bad, and I kinda appreciate how apartments are now essentially a Dark Souls style dungeon, but it really just does nothing except for slowing down the game

Dunno, maybe it's another example where technical issues are coloring my opinion on the game like with Jank Survivor

I do like the game so far better than JS tho

okay, rant over (for now)

[pallid lava]

https://tenor.com/view/shame-bell-game-of-thrones-walk-of-atonement-cersei-lannister-gif-16635977892557113898

PC port is available on The Internet Archive
It's not legal legal, but Konami could have taken it down at any moment, so it looks to me like they don't give a shit

You can also beat it in like two days, so it's not really a large time investment

[sterile mauve]

sh2?

[pallid lava]

yeah

it's like 10h when you really take your time

Half of that if you know what you're doing

[neat kestrel]

Yea idk man. I personally really enjoyed SH2

I thought it was great

and it took me 20 hours, with a few hours of that probably spent messing with the HDR

so probably more like 16 hours to beat

[pallid lava]

I'm not saying the game is bad, it's a mostly fine remake of one of the greatest games ever made
But anyone saying this is as good of a remake as RE ones is off their rocker

[summer gyro]

What about re3

[pallid lava]

I just don't vibe with some of the decisions made

[pallid lava]

RE3R rocks and I will not hear any slander about it

[summer gyro]

I like it but it’s too short

[pallid lava]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-leanoardo-di-caprio-who-cares-who-gives-a-shit-dont-care-gif-6173124

[summer gyro]

Also nemesis should have been a roaming enemy

[pallid lava]

I rather have a dope 3h game than a 20h slog

[summer gyro]

Mr x was cooler

If the game was cheaper I would’ve felt better about it

I still like it but don’t love it

Iirc it was $40 on release

Even that didn’t feel like a good deal

Just feels like there was more they could have done

[pallid lava]

It wouldn't really fit with the structure they went for
The game is paced like a chance, you don't stay much in the same environment, there's a constant forward momentum
It's one of the rare games where you can actually feel the urgency
The problem is, when people imagined RE3 remake, they thought about a semi open world game like TEW2
Which is also a good game, but very, verry different than RE3R

[summer gyro]

Ye I like it for what it is but I can’t help but wonder what it could have been if it was a full fledged game

[pallid lava]

TEW2 essentailly

[summer gyro]

Which I’ve been meaning to play

Only ever played the intro

[pallid lava]

It's good!

[summer gyro]

And it has renodx

[pallid lava]

On the positive note, Lilum's grain shader goes really, really well with this (SH2R that is)
Bloober skimped on the thick ass grain shader like the original had because they are COWARDS

[zealous pebble]

I have the same except 10gb 3080. Turned off vsync, 4k res, DLSS I think balanced?, locked the game to 40fps with nvidia control panel, and it ran a lot better in terms of stutter. Like the micro-hitches. The big loading stutters never go away.

U+ mod did nothing, I'm convinced its a giant placebo unless someone can demonstrably prove me wrong with direct comparisons with fresh installs.

I think the pacing is better than the OG game personally, although the prison is a bit too long, and maybe the apartments. Hospital felt perfect

Gameplay is vastly superior too... not even close. I was never a fan of the OG gameplay. This game feels really visceral and intense although yes combat is slightly janky at times

[pallid lava]

Yeah, the combat is definitely an improvement, though I feel like they laid down the enemies a bit too thick in the dungeons sometimes

Apparently the game has at least 350 enemies, which is probably around 3x of OG

less is more and all that

as for the pacing, I think like most of the stuff they added feels like a busy work
Run around the town to collect pieces of vinyl
Run around the apartments to collect hands for the clock
The nice thing about OG is that you could see reality breaking apart the further you went, here in the first few hours the game hits you with some Resident Evil bullshit

Even puzzles that are taken straight from the OG like coin cabinet are made like 3x more complex for seemingly no reason

[summer gyro]

I like more complex puzzles

[neat kestrel]

I thought the game had a bit of film grain already but yea the original had a ton

[signal heart]

Tone wise i thought the remake was fantastic and people complaining that they made new James more relatable compared to the original are just wrong

It was a bit too long, if you cut an hour each from the hospital, prison, and labyrinth it would have flowed better. Also the* final sentence*line read wasnt as good as the original.

Slightly too long, too many enemies, and they were just a bit too aggressive. But the actual portrayal of character's trauma and voice acting is so much better.

If I have to hear somebody legitimately argue that David Lynch wouldn't have told Guy Cihi to do another take then im gonna lose my mind

[pallid lava]

VA in the OG was a mixed bag for sure, but I'm not convinced the remake (so far) is a straight upgrade in that regard
Accidental or not, the sometimes weird line delivery kind of fitted the dream like tone of the game

[signal heart]

there are certain lines where it magically works

The last sentence in the game and maria's lines definitely

But there's also stuff in the remake, especially with Angela, where it was so close to some people i know it was gut wrenching

It loses out on the vagueness, but gains alot in * yeah that's what that sounds like* in a way that really hurts
Though i will say, angela's reveal moment still works in original

With james, he legitimately sounds like someone who has guilt that the town is using against him, like someone whose gone through caretakers resentment

Which i feel like people who might not know what thats like sometimes ignore in the original while acting like in water is some sort of righteous end for a remorseless villian

He sounds like someone who has been drained by being a caretaker, which can happen to anyone

[pallid lava]

Yeah people really fucking hate James and insist that "In Water" is cannon because that's what he deserved

Remake James sounds really tired of all of this, definitely makes him sound more relatable

OG James sounded like he's in a daze, which again fitted the dream like tone which, I feel, is kinda lost in the remake

I don't think one take is inherently superior to the other, it's kinda the matter of preference

I think I prefer the OG more, but I do agree Guy Cihi performance was very uneven, everyone else was good to great I think, especially Mary/Maria VA

I'm not really feeling her in the remake so far, they kinda went too hard on the "cat in the heat" angle IMO

[zealous pebble]

Eddie's VA was always comically bad. He's so much better in this one

Anyway I agree that James is more relatable, and I prefer that. I never thought they intended for James to come across as evil, the point was this can happen to almost anyone and its just human nature and its okay to ask for help in that situation... because the alternative is not good for anyone

[pallid lava]

Hard disagree about Eddie
||"Ain't no big deal to kill a man" delivery was PERFECT||

He sounds very cartoonish, true, but everything about him is cartoonish

Which makes the fact ||he's essentially a serial killer|| even more absurd

[neat kestrel]

Eddie in the remake (never played the original) was fantastic

I never played the original so I'm not thinking about this too much tbh. My take is that the remake absolutely felt like a huge fever dream, and the way they made James relatable was great. I really have no complaints

I think the only ending that feels "canon" was the one ||where you talk to your wife and he tells her why he killed her. It felt like everyone got closure ||The other endings felt stupid and boring af.

[neat kestrel]

agree on this. Idk if the original was that oversexualized but this one felt annoying to me. Felt like fanservice from an anime

[strong stream]

the voice acting in the remake is just better in general imo James was so bad

and Mary is sexualized absolutely but it services a point. she is what James wanted, after all. James is not a good man.

[signal heart]

Thats not really accurate

I wouldn't say Maria is sexualized like in an anime

If she was what james really wanted he wouldn't be turning her down constantly

[strong stream]

it’s also not really that simple either

[signal heart]

She's the town holding his unsatisfied libido in his face and saying thats all he amounts to

[strong stream]

he has an ending with her for a reason

[signal heart]

Yeah and its the WORST

[signal heart]

If it was anime fanservice then you would also get the feeling that nobody has ever fucked

[strong stream]

yeah it sucks lmao

[pallid lava]

She definitely had more of a succubus vibes in the OG
So far, in the remake she just comes off as inappropriately horny

I'm holding my judgment until I hear her yell "ANYWAY"

I'm surprised about the takes on the OG James
Him sounding meek and pathetic most of the time was kinda the point, I feel

https://youtu.be/FwksbIl1zBs

Yeah, no, OG wins here

[strong stream]

i didn’t really get meek and pathetic honestly

but id agree that would be a good characterization of him

[humble veldt]

so how do I get it

[humble veldt]

shit so are you telling me I should play the original instead?

[neat kestrel]

I would just play normally and then watch the other endings on youtube. The criteria that triggers the endings is kinda random. Like how much you use your pipe, how often you use health items, and your gameplay style

it would be annoying trying to get a specific ending

[pallid lava]

No
||maybe||

You should play it anyway!

[signal heart]

you should play both

[pallid lava]

From what I can see remake makes for the good companion piece to the original, but it's not really a substitute like the Resi remakes

[humble veldt]

well which one should I play "first"

[pallid lava]

OG

[pallid lava]

At Labyrinth now, some more thoughts thus far:

• Hospital shows that Bloober penchant for the schlock horror is alive and well
• mannequins can go fuck themselves
• I don't think ||Abstract Daddy|| needed to be a multi-stage set piece battle
• I mourn the loss of some troll scares from the OG, like ||the demon in the prison||, or ||the clock room in the hotel|| assaulting you with sound when you go back through it
• at least they kept the ||screaming bathroom lady||
• the scene between James and Maria ||in the labyrinth|| was really well done, I have my issues with the direction sometimes, but they nailed that one at least
• the last two dungeons are so fucking dark I'm getting an eyestrain
• mannequins can seriously go fuck themselves

[neat kestrel]

the game actually seemed to get easier in the labyrinth haha

the prison was by far the hardest area I'd say

[pallid lava]

And the game is done!
Overall, I have mixed feelings, it could have been way, way worse, it's a solid game made that clearly respects the original
But also, I fund it to be kinda a slog, you spend most of the game on the key hunt, which gets old fast
And I generally disliked the changes they made to the OG like, 7 out of 10 times?
Between shit performance, shit IQ and pacing issues, I don't see coming back to it anytime soon, maybe when it gets remastered for PS6 in like 5 years or something.

[neat kestrel]

I thought it looked really good visually lol

Even though the HDR is a choose your own adventure type of deal

I think DF had it in the top 10 best graphics of 2024

Some of the key puzzles are brutal though

[pallid lava]

It does look really nice
At least when the lower budget doesn't rear it's head.
Some animations are ROUGH
But I guess it's a testament to the technology, how just 5 years ago you needed a Naughty Dog levels of talent and resources to make the game look this good

[neat kestrel]

True

I'll still never forgive bloober for their observer system redux bullshit 😛

Full price even if you got the original, for a half ass reskin and wack RT

Boooooo

I'm just being salty though

I think they're a good studio and I'm excited for more games from them

[pallid lava]

A few more thoughts:

• I don't love the new rendition of Theme Of Laura. The original might be one of the most iconic pieces of video game music, dunno why they felt the need to alter it.
• James ||speaking Polish in Dog ending, instead of Japanese like in OG is a nice touch||
• however, ||since we no longer get a clips show during the credits, part of the joke in aforementioned Dog ending is lost.|| Which I guess is a good microcosm of the entire game for me, a step back for every step forward
• ||UFO ending tho||,

[signal heart]

It needed afew graphics engineers to be sent over from epic to tune some stuff

Especially when DLSS was ghosting out of the box

Whats crazy is that maria was my least favorite performance even though i went into the game with high expectations/full confidence of her actress

If y'all have played FFXIV, she's Lyna in Shadowbringers

[pallid lava]

I mean she was fine, but in the OG game Monica Horgan went absolutely all in, to the point she was apparently actually crying during the letter reading
that kind of raw emotion is hard to match

On the flip side, Angela VA was a low key MVP in the remake, totally nailed every single line IMO

I think my main gripe with the remake, tone wise, is that it was usually too blunt where it needed to be subtle, and too subtle where it needed to be blunt

But it definitely had it high points, like the ||jail scene in the labyrinth|| and the ||final conversation with Angela||

[signal heart]

Yeah, OG letter is lightning in a bottle

Like, you can't redo it

[zealous pebble]

DF gave this best audio and 4th best graphics. Graphics would be 3rd if not for the performance issues. I agree with that wholeheartedly

Sad that they don't seem to care to update further

[neat kestrel]

I thought they were working on another patch. Maybe not

[zealous pebble]

Hope so

It's been months

[hardy viper]

At the risk of reposting I need to ask this here, in the 'official' thread:

Has anyone on PC (or otherwise) noticed that the HDR calibration picture looks different, even with the same settings, when viewed at the Title Screen (before a game loads) versus in-game (pause screen)? I calibrated HDR using the picture at the Title Screen, but after loading the game and pausing to re-enter HDR calibration, the luminance values are the same, but the picture appears much darker. I'm using a 4090 on PC. Anyone else experience this?

[pallid lava]

You can safely ignore in game calibration screen

[hardy viper]

Why? Please elaborate?

I'm trying to determine if my TV is utilizing some processing that is causing this, so I can deactivate it. Thats why I'm asking if anyone has experienced a similar issue?

[tough scarab]

Because it's broken and you need to look at the actual game

Many games where that's the case

[hardy viper]

Thx you both for the help.

So you don't believe my issue is a problem with my TV or PC setup? Its the same damn picture thats what is throwin me lol

[pallid lava]

What display do you have, and what settings?

[hardy viper]

PC: RTX 4090 & Intel i9-14900k.
Resolution: 4096x2160, Desktop color depth - HDR, Out color depth - 8bpc, Output color format - RGB, Output dynamic range - Full
Supersampling: DLSS on 'Quality' with renderer set to EPIC. G-Sync enabled and max fps locked at 116 fps to keep it just under 120hz.

TV: LG G4 OLED (OL83G4WUA). Set to HGIG, and all cinema/motion processing deactivated. 4:4:4 passthrough - enabled, Deep color - enabled for 4k content.

There are so many settings. I hope this helps!?

Attached pics - first one (brighter) from title screen. Second one (darker) from in game pause menu. Values are nearly identical but picture alot different. Don’t get it.

I do notice the fps are different (upper right). Gsync problem?

[pallid lava]

Yeah you should be good

I would only change RGB to YCbCr 444, so the GPU does the conversion instead of TV itself

You might get smoother gradients that way

As Olek said earlier, the in game calibration images are usually fucked in HDR (and often in SDR too) I wouldn't pay much attention to them as they are usually not representative of how the game ends up looking

[hardy viper]

OK, I'll stop obsessing about it lol. I just couldn't understand why the hell the same image would look so different depending on when I access the HDR calibration... maybe its outputting dynamic metadata or something...

I'll make the color change, thanks.

[pallid lava]

If you worry about dynamic metadata (tho this should not be an issue with HGiG) installing reshade will block it from being sent to the display

[hardy viper]

Does HGIG disable the source from sending dynamic metadata?

[pallid lava]

HGiG should completely ignore metadata, even if the TV receives it

[hardy viper]

Oh OK, I was under the impression that HGIG disables the displays tone mapping in favor of using the metadata from the game solely.

[neat kestrel]

I'm not sure I tested it specifically but I don't think this game sends bogus metadata

[neat kestrel]

HGIG is essentially like "pass through"

so it'll just show whatever it's sent

the issue is when games specifically send maxcll or maxdml metadata, when not using HGIG

So for example, many monitors don't have a dedicated HGIG mode. It just does tonemapping based on metadata, and if it gets none, it'll do "HGIG"

But if it gets stupid maxcll/maxdml metadata, then it might tonemap instead of doing HGIG

reshade/SK blocks this BS

[hardy viper]

OK I understand, thanks.

Last night I viewed the calibration screen picture while playing different game saves. Some games I was in light maps and others, in darker areas. The calibration pic was brighter (pic 1 above) when the game was paused in a light area. On the other hand, it was dimmer (pic 2 above) when paused in a dark room/area....

No idea why this is happening, but it would seem some tone mapping is taking place, but for the area I'm in, not from what is shown on the screen.

Any ideas? Or does the advice remain the same 'ignore the damn calibration picture' haha. I just want to ensure my settings are not causing tone mapping to take place that is not from the game directly. Otherwise, the calibration I'm doing is pointless...

[summer gyro]

well if you double checked that just loading 2 different saves in different areas caused the image to be different then I guess its somehow influenced by the scene

[hardy viper]

agree. So this would be a function of the game causing this, right?

[pallid lava]

exposure?

[summer gyro]

the tonemapper is running over those images it so I guess it makes sense that the scene's parameters would influence the images

useless setup anyway

garbage settings

they literally gave us a million sliders cause they couldn't do shit right themselves

[hardy viper]

It can't be TV tone mapping because the TV would calibrate to the pic on screen (ie the HDR calibration picture), correct?

Musa - when you say the tone mapper is running are you referring to the game tone mapping function?

I'm very new to this hopefully it even makes sense what I'm asking haha

[pallid lava]

Yes, he's talking about in game processing

[hardy viper]

k thx.

[hardy viper]

I switched from RGB to YCbCr 444 in NVIDIA Control Panel. Once switched, I was forced to set Output Dynamic Range to 'Limited'. Whereas with RGB i had it set to 'Full'. Is this normal and which should I go with?

[pallid lava]

It's normal

Ycbcr is limited only

TVs are designed to work in ycbcr limited, everything else gets converted internally

[peak bane]

is there no paper white setting in this game?

figured it'd be the hdr brightness setting but it seems like its acting more like exposure

[summer gyro]

no paper white setting

prob would have been good for ersh to add it

[peak bane]

any idea what is is by default?

lowering mid brightness and raising max brightness slightly to accommodate that looks pretty good, but I'd like to start with knowing what the game is outputting by default so i don't overcorrect

[summer gyro]

i think 300

the hdr defaults appear roughly similar to sdr 300 nits and the ui brightness defaults to 300 nits last I checked

[peak bane]

oh wow no wonder the game looks so overly bright w/ the default settings, even with the black floor fix mod.

any shaders to directly convert that down to a given pw value?

i wanna shoot for 200 pw or maybe even lower

[summer gyro]

pumboautohdr

[pallid lava]

Try old defaults
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[peak bane]

looks great with those settings pretty much exactly what i was going for, thank you.

[peak bane]

thank you as well. musa's settings look great to me, but i'll give that a try too and see which i prefer.

[neat kestrel]

isn't the G4 like 1400 nits?

[peak bane]

1500 nits

the g4 is what i have

i honestly prefer 1000 peak in this game

since its such a dark game

[summer gyro]

The game overshoots it anyway

[neat kestrel]

yea true

[neat kestrel]

Did framegen have an issue with vignette? I don't recall...

[hardy viper]

Doing some reading, my G4 LG OLED supposedly supports RGB 'Full'. Do you still suggest the change to ycbcr 'limited'? Last time I'll ask I'll go with whatever you suggest.
Also, last time I switched to ycbcr it changed the look of the picture alot. Should I recalibrate windows HDR at that point?

[neat kestrel]

use ycbcr 444 limited for LG wOLED TVs

it should not be changing the look of the picture a lot

it should be like small differences in banding, if you can even tell a difference at all

you shouldn't have to recalibrate anything with windows HDR app

[hardy viper]

Will do thanks

[gray parrot]

How come no RGB Full and TV to High instead?

[pallid lava]

@gray parrot ^

[gray parrot]

Will watch soon!

[glossy pivot]

its like 5 seconds

the dude who does all the calibration test pattern discs

uses ycbcr because the tv will just convert RGB to that anyway

[gray parrot]

Ah ok but why limited? And if limited, does the tv need to go to low black levels setting also? I was told to keep those two consistent always

[pallid lava]

And TV will do a worse job at it than GPU

[pallid lava]

YCbCr is limited only

[gray parrot]

Got it. And so tv should be set to low also?

[pallid lava]

Just leave it at Auto

[gray parrot]

I am told Auto is also broken on C9 LGs

[pallid lava]

Ideally, you shouldn't even have to touch it

[gray parrot]

Sooo it was always low or high. If limited use low so guess ill do that

But also confirm with my sources on C9 forums

Thanks 😊

[glossy pivot]

I think it is broken on the c9

or just doesnt exist

[gray parrot]

Auto is there, its just broken and send incorrect data when used.

so its either Low or High and Limited or Full

[pallid lava]

I see

[gray parrot]

so I suppose my best option is Ycbcr Limited and Low black level on a C9

4 years of using wrong setting lol

Stacey Spears really knows how to drive a point home though haha

[hardy viper]

I wonder if thats why the picture changed so much on my G4 when I switched GPU output from RGB full to ycbcr limited - because the black was still on high?

[pallid lava]

Maybe?

[hardy viper]

Yea tough to say.

I'll go with ycbcr444 output and set TV to 'low' black level. Hopefully this doesn't sacrifice the full dynamic range.

[pallid lava]

It shouldn't make a difference for video content (including video games)

[neat kestrel]

should be easy to test if it's broken or not

[neat kestrel]

"auto" works on my C1 so i have to imagine it works on the G4 lol

[neat kestrel]

haha you had it mismatched for 4 years?

i can't remember if limited --> high causes crushed or raised shadows

"high" is basically like "pass through" i think?

I think the only time you want to mistmatch it is with madvr because there's like 3 steps. MadVR --> GPU --> Display? So you have to do like limited --> high --> limited

something along those lines, might be backwards

[gray parrot]

Not mismatched thankfully

[neat kestrel]

oh i thought you said you had been using the wrong settings

[gray parrot]

Wrong yes but not mismatched

Also probably not wrong either

[neat kestrel]

you had rgb full and TV high?

[hardy viper]

I need to look. I don't recall seeing 'auto' as an option. Could be I need to check again.

[gray parrot]

Correct

And apparently thats also right... lol

And I can tell the guy in the video was trying to convey the same to stacey but stacey cut him off and got sude tracked with the mention of green tint and not the issue at hand

[neat kestrel]

I know movies are done with limited. So you'd need some sorts conversion to move it from limited to full right?

If you wanted to use full on the tv

[gray parrot]

This is just strictly for movies

[gray parrot]

If you use YCBCR - it will go back to RGB for LUT corrections and ultimately display (ignoring the RGB to RGBW conversion). This needs to happen at a higher bit depth internally to avoid colour aliasing. If you do it prematurely (in the source) then you get aliasing as the link between source and TV is at the lower bit depth.

[neat kestrel]

Oh for games full and full is just fine definitely

[gray parrot]

Full and RGB and High Black levels right?

so I had it right for 4 years lol

[gray parrot]

Always best to send what the image was rendered in from the source. For PC and consoles, that's RGB. Unfortunately some manufacturers (cough, Microsoft, cough) think that HDR should be in YCbCr and Limited but since we're at 10 bits it's not going to be noticeable.

[neat kestrel]

Yea. Technically ycbcr 444 is better on the tvs but that's also fine

[gray parrot]

But isnt that limited to "Limited" option?

ignore the 8 bits above

[neat kestrel]

Yes it's limited. So the you'd want low in the tv

[gray parrot]

yee thats what I said in the start - you just match them both, Low and Limited or High and Full - but then folks mentioned RGB was not correct lol thus prompting the whole convo

I'll just stick with Full/High/RGB

[hardy viper]

On my G4 I don’t have a ‘black level’ that can be set to limited or full. I have ‘Video Range’ that can be set to auto full or limited. I assume that is the setting you are referring to?

I’ve got Black Level set to 50 with contrast and brightness at 100 each. Black and white stabilizer settings are both at 10. Sharpness is at 0 and game color depth is at 55. Fine tune dark areas is at -2.

This is for output in RGB Full 10 bit. Does this look correct?

[neat kestrel]

Yea, same thing.

they change the names of things over time ha

[humble veldt]

so what settings do you guys use?(with the black floor fix)

this port is annoying

the game straight up just didn't boot without special k at first

then it required reshade to be loaded as a plug-in for renodx to work

and it still crashes when exiting the game

[pallid lava]

It crashes even without SK

[pallid lava]

I used old defaults, except for minim luminance at -1 because late game areas are crushing shadows like crazy

[humble veldt]

so basically everything on stock except for min luminance at -1?

[humble veldt]

I mean

I kept on getting unreal engine errors

until I injected special k

[pallid lava]

No, those are old defaults
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They changed it in the first patch to be super bright

[humble veldt]

cool

[pallid lava]

You can crank Mid Luminance a bit if it looks too dim for you

[humble veldt]

I was going to play in a pitch black room anyway

I'll be fine

[hardy viper]

this is what I ended up with. on the right is a reshade shader called pumboautohdr, just copy the settings from that. I use it to lower the average brightness level. on the left is Ersh's silent hill 2 black floor fix mod. This is for my 1080 nit tv, as you can see I set peak brightness much higher but that's because pumboautohdr brings it back down. G4 is 1000 nit peak I believe so just set peak to 2200 and copying the rest of the settings should be good

@humble veldt above is what Musa shared with me. This is what I’m using and very happy with results. Sharing as an option, fyi.

I’m using 3250 or something like that for brightness. There is a formula to determine the value. If you are interested work your way down a few posts in the hdr-gaming channel below the above post.

[neat kestrel]

Peak slider changes overall contrast fyi

so you can't copy someone's settings with a different peak

you'd have to tweak it to match

HDR controls in this game are dogshit

[humble veldt]

yeah uhh

I'll just deal with the bright paper white lmao

[neat kestrel]

I did my own HDR tweaking and then used Musa's method to lower paperwhite to 140. It looked good

But really this game is choose your own adventure. Just do whatever looks acceptable

[humble veldt]

I don't mind 300 nit paper that much

[neat kestrel]

the game is dark as shit either way lol

[exotic stirrup]

Just tried out the newest, 310.2.1.0 Ray Reconstruction on the game and damn, it's so much cleaner and resolves faster than earlier RR versions.

However...it gives James the superpower to see through fog:

It tries to resolve the image behind the fog and you see the outlines of everything.

[cunning mural]

Through tweaks or nvidia app?

[exotic stirrup]

Tweaks. The game has no official RR support, which is a crying shame.

[tough scarab]

that was happening with old RR already

the game doesn't support RR so no wonder it doesn't work ideally

I think it also might have something to do with Ultra+ assuming ur using that

[exotic stirrup]

Yeah, this is something the team would tweak to fix on the engine side if it was officially supported.

I've gone back and forth with the older dlls extensively and this is a seperate issue, at the very least in severity. Not using ultra+ either.

[humble veldt]

rip

no stutter fixes in the latest patch

[pallid lava]

It's not getting fixed
They would have to rewrite the asset streaming system, not happening post release

The game will remain a broken POS unlit UE6 remaster or something

[glossy pivot]

We just need 12000x4D

Load the entire game into cache

[humble veldt]

alright so

1. Should I play with ultra+ and deal with the visual bugs
2. Should I use -fixedtimestep(no animation stutter) and play at 30fps with dlaa

[neat kestrel]

What's #2? I thought Ultra+ includes some fix for animation stutters

[gray parrot]

its to lock the game down to 30 FPS like Alex from DF showed as a gimmick test and play the game that way with minimal stutter cuz what are you gonna stutter to if you are capped at the lowest denominator. Folks think thats a realistic solution I guess...

as you know, thats gonna be a really long 20+ hours playing at 30 FPS

[neat kestrel]

I'd rather play at 60 and have some stutter than at 30 with no stutter. 30 is brutal

I guess it could be okay since you move so slowly and you can play with a controller.....but yea

at that point I'd take some stutter to get 60

[neat kestrel]

Potentionally do neither of those and just play the game locked to 60, with framegen to 120 (if you have a 40xx card) with new DLLs

That's probably what i'd do at this point

[pallid lava]

Bro you are gonna get stutter anyway
A LOT OF IT

-fixedtimestep does fix the animation hitching though

but that's a separate issue

[neat kestrel]

In that case I wouldn't bother with it then

just embrace the stutter

become one with it

But yea I would just skip both U+ and that fixedtimestep mods

lock to 60, add framegen, play with a controller

or don't add FG, either way fine

[pallid lava]

You have merely adopted the stuttering
But I was born in it
Molded by it

[neat kestrel]

oh and vsync off? I forget why. It's smoother?

something like that

[exotic stirrup]

I use control panel Vsync.

Frame gen locks out the ingame option.

[neat kestrel]

Yea framegen in games always locks vsync even though apparently that's not required anymore

but devs keep doing it

Not sure I've ever played a FG game where they didn't lock vsync

[sterile mauve]

not touching this unless they patch the damn game properly

[neat kestrel]

I wouldn't bet on them ever fixing the game

i'd just play it if you want

it's still a really great game

definitely playable

[high junco]

Yeah I played it recently with RTX4090,R7 5800x and even if it becomes unbearable sometimes in running sections I would say it is playable. I didn't play with Ultra+ cuz it introduced some issues with hair rendering and reduced my FPS by %5-8.

It might be a placebo or some other thing tho. I was trying everything to make game run better.

[gray parrot]

the devs already moved on to other things, and its a UE issue, not a game issue itself. Highly doubt its ever getting fixed.

[sterile mauve]

it's a game issue

[gray parrot]

a fix is doubtful at this point

[sterile mauve]

it's still a game dev skill issue problem

[gray parrot]

which they clearly havent solved and moved onto other games now

[sterile mauve]

well you never really know as devs aren't forced to disclose support periods

it is only possible to assume

[gray parrot]

they are probably neck deep in CRONOS

[exotic stirrup]

Yeah I'm not hopeful for meaningful patches. The thing that bothers me most with the game is the boiling Lumen, not the stuttering.

I'm shelving it until the next ray reconstruction .dll drops, if that happens to fix my issues with what I currently have.

[gray parrot]

boiling lumen, can you show an example/picture of what that looks like?

I already completed the game so im curious if I saw it

[neat kestrel]

Idk what boiling lumen means lol

Also the game doesn't have RR, correct? You have to mod it in with U+ or something?

[summer gyro]

The boiling effect on lighting that’s really visible with software lumen

[quartz epoch]

it's just an .ini edit and the DLL

[gray parrot]

if you are talking about the steam/glow coming off of a bright highlight or object like water - isnt that kinda the signature look of a UE game?

[summer gyro]

Idk how to describe it other than a boiling effect

it just looks like boiling water

https://youtu.be/8kKSubVmQHM?si=wd-MJQhzBUpOudq6

This showcases it

It’s really bad in robocop

[gray parrot]

oof yah thats really bad and I dont think I've seen it in SH2 or Robocop for that matter

I also use Ultra Plus in both those games so maybe they fixed it

[exotic stirrup]

Yeah exactly that.

Running some engine.ini tweaks and ray reconstruction with the newest .dll works absolute wonders for it in SH2, but it also shows you outlines of stuff behind fog.

[neat kestrel]

They added software lumen via that patch?

or did it already have it

[neat kestrel]

oh, very easy nice

[summer gyro]

It’s ue5 it already had it

[neat kestrel]

I thought they added lumen something with the new patch

I may be mistaken

[neat kestrel]

Also now I cannot hear the word Lumen without thinking of Severance

[humble veldt]

I played a game for 50+ hours recently at 30fps

anyway imma start it

[humble veldt]

I am aware of this, but it also added some visual bugs

[humble veldt]

damn

it stutters in cutscenes too

is that happening to all of you too?

[humble veldt]

constant 60ms stutters during traversal

[humble veldt]

fixed timestep helps make the game feel more consistent

but the stutters do still kinda suck

vrr seems like it can slightly shorten the length of them maybe

but at the cost of flicker

haven't bothered trying ultra+

issue is it hasn't been updated for the latest patch

[tough scarab]

doesn't need an update

[rigid jackal]

How often do you get these

If it's really as often as that graph indicates that's not normal

I maybe get a one off 50-60ms stutter with 30fps and fixedtimestep every few minutes

With a 7800x3d

You maybe also want to use the front edge sync framerate cap in RTSS

Because thats the smoothest and doesn't cause vrr flicker

[gray parrot]

No I played with Ultra plus mod

[neat kestrel]

I played with U+ so idk how bad stuttering was without it. I figured it was similar

[gray parrot]

no the U+ mod had a fix for cutscenes in there...

[neat kestrel]

Oh ok

[humble veldt]

quite often

and I'm using special k's frame rate limiter

I'm also not using vrr

[neat kestrel]

Try not using SK. I heard reports that SK was causing performance issues in this game

I didn't use it

[humble veldt]

sigh I kinda don't trust rtss' limiter to have good pacing at 30fps

but alright

[neat kestrel]

Use vsync off with the in game set to 60

Try that

Don't use any limiters. This game is fucking wack

[humble veldt]

wdym

it'd be double the speed though

[neat kestrel]

I'm saying use the in game limiter with 60, vsync off

[humble veldt]

so run the game at 60fps?

[neat kestrel]

Yea. Or try 30 if you want

With a controller

Just curious if that helps at all

[humble veldt]

imma try front edge 30fps first

not sure if the game will even launch though

it straight up wouldn't launch without sk at first

also lyall's mod broke after the latest patch which kinda sucks

could uncap the cutscene framerate to bypass unreal's limiter entirely

[neat kestrel]

not sure i'm familiar with lyall's mod

I think U+ uncapped cutscenes?

i dont remember

[humble veldt]

yea, but fixed timestep won so

[neat kestrel]

what do you mean? I didn't use any of those mods haha

i just used U+

and cutscenes were uncapped

[humble veldt]

fixed timestep isn't a mod

its a launch param

[neat kestrel]

oh

are you using U+?

[humble veldt]

n

[humble veldt]

like I said fixedtimestep won

[neat kestrel]

gotchya

and what does this launch paramter do? Uncaps cutscnes? Or helps with stutter?

sorry been a while since i played

[humble veldt]

ties the game speed to frame rate

[neat kestrel]

and what is the launch command?

[humble veldt]

-fixedtimestep

[neat kestrel]

and again, forgive my ignorance, but this is for uncapping cutscenes, or stutter, or both

[humble veldt]

just for the animation stutter

[neat kestrel]

gotchya

so like curtains and shit looking choppy - fixes that?

[humble veldt]

I did try playing at 60 briefly with no u+ obviously

[humble veldt]

one sec

[quartz epoch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1Et12RgWlQ&t=932s

[humble veldt]

I did spot some animation stutter

[humble veldt]

thanks bro

[quartz epoch]

Alex goes over it here, BR4P

timestamped, but you need to watch for a while

[humble veldt]

U+ apparently fixes it, but I think I've seen some people say its still an issue

[neat kestrel]

So that fixes one of the stutter causes?

hm ok

[humble veldt]

more like a workaround

than a fix

[neat kestrel]

well anyway, yea, maybe try 60 fps in game with vsync off and see how that feels

it wont fix all the stutters

but should hopefully help

[humble veldt]

I'll try fixed time step with front edge sync, but I'll disable in game v-sync and use the driver override

since I'm on fixed refresh it'll tear if I disable v-sync entirely

if its still kinda shit I'll try using ultra+ and see what happens

since apparently the stutter isn't normal

[neat kestrel]

I find that tearing isn't as easy to see on our 240hz monitors

[humble veldt]

I'm on 120hz

[neat kestrel]

oh ok

I have a hard time seeing tearing a lot of the time with vsync off on the 240hz panel

I assumed it was due to the faster refresh rate

(not using VRR either)

Like I have to look for it very hard

maybe i'm just blind idk

[humble veldt]

https://github.com/RoseTheFlower/UltrawideIndex/releases/tag/silenthill2remake

hmm maybe it still works

really I just want to disable the unreal limiter in cutscenes

[neat kestrel]

I could have sworn that that first big game patch fixed the 30 fps cap in cutscenes

but I honestly don't remember

[humble veldt]

https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Silent_Hill_2

[neat kestrel]

Or maybe it was just that they added FG which doubles frames in cutscenes?

[humble veldt]

according to the pcgw no

[neat kestrel]

yea i know that pcgw says that

not sure if it wasn't updated

or i'm just wrong

If you're still seeing 30 fps in cutscenes then i'm wrong

[humble veldt]

the mod was updated for 1.06

[neat kestrel]

Maybe i'm wrong

Most of my time spent in this game was figuring out the absolute dogshit HDR sliders

ha

[humble veldt]

that's why I was asking you guys :P

[neat kestrel]

I can't even remember which HDR settings i used

I apparently didn't save them

rip

looks like I used this or something? But with paperwhite lowered via pumbo's?

idk

[quartz epoch]

@humble veldt not sure if they both work, but I noticed you were saying "-fixedtimestep", when it's "-usefixedtimestep", so figured it was worth bringing up just in case

[humble veldt]

I was probably using -usefixedtimestep

because it was working

[quartz epoch]

ideal, no worries

[neat kestrel]

So you're saying that even with that launch command, you're still getting terrible stuttering with SK?

[humble veldt]

basically this when traversing long distances

[neat kestrel]

gotchya

Lemme know how the vsync off thing works

[humble veldt]

k

I need my driver v-sync tho

[ebon zealot]

in my experience this gave the best experience:

1. fixed refresh forced disabled in NVCP to disable VRR
2. 1/2 refresh vsync in NVCP (60 fps)
3. 60 fps fps in-game fps cap

matching the in-game fps cap to your vsync fps cap accomplishes the same thing as the -usefixedtimestep launch param, but at 60 fps

[humble veldt]

no thanks

[ebon zealot]

and yeah using SK increased stutters in my experience

[humble veldt]

half rate v-sync adds a lot of lag

well actually

I'll think about it

[ebon zealot]

it's a pretty slow game

[humble veldt]

because its probably worth it for 60fps

but it still might be less consistent

[ebon zealot]

yeah 30 fps is the way to go if your only goal is to mask the stutter, but... it's 30 fps

[humble veldt]

also I don't think its necessary to disable vrr

half rate v-sync is incompatible with vrr

so it just doesn't work

[ebon zealot]

right, that's why i disabled it

[humble veldt]

wait what

I thought half rate v sync "auto disables" it

[ebon zealot]

i couldn't select it without first disabling it

couldn't select half refresh vsync

[humble veldt]

rip

wonder why that works though

I think I might have asked sammi once about the animation stutter

[ebon zealot]

dunno. someone on resetera discovered it. it works for jedi survivor as well. maybe other UE games

[humble veldt]

but I forgot what she said

[humble veldt]

dope

I'll probs give it a shot

thx

one more question

does this work with 1/3rd rate v-sync?

for 40fps

[ebon zealot]

you can't select 40 fps in game

if you could maybe it would

[humble veldt]

rip

[ebon zealot]

i tried doing it at 120 and forcing 120 via an .ini edit and it didn't work

[humble veldt]

if that does work

then I really hope that the unlock cutscenes mod works

I assume you're using that right?

[ebon zealot]

i didn't. iirc there were some issues with it at launch. not sure if they got cleared up

[humble veldt]

damn

so the cutscenes are still locked to 30 right?

[ebon zealot]

yeah

[humble veldt]

damn

[ebon zealot]

didn't really bother me tbh

[humble veldt]

yea its not a huge deal I guess

[ebon zealot]

it's not like they're fast-paced action sequences or something lol

[humble veldt]

so long as unreal's limiter doesn't cause some nonsense

[ebon zealot]

most are just people standing still talking

[humble veldt]

that's honestly the main reason why I wanted to unlock them

also you don't use ultra+ right?

[rigid jackal]

you get 1/2 and 1/3 vsync options in nvcp? I only see 1/2 adaptive with fixed refresh

[ebon zealot]

I don't remember. I think just 1/2. I believe you can do 1/3 with profile inspector? Just keep in mind you'll still get animation stutter if you can't match whatever that is with the in game option (30 or 60)

[ebon zealot]

No I didn't

[rigid jackal]

the 1/2 and 1/3 options in nvpi don't work for me for some reason

they just get ignored

and yea most stutters are below 20ms so a 40 fps cap would be the obvious choice

but then the animation stutter is really obnoxious

[humble veldt]

mainly was asking because of dlaa

[humble veldt]

ugh you're right

[rigid jackal]

you can select those in profile inspector

but they don't work on my machine

so maybe they don't on your pc as well

[humble veldt]

I don't have sh2 installed on this pc

but I'm testing in marvel rivals rn

I assume you had the right executable selected too? The win shipping one

[rigid jackal]

yea

[humble veldt]

works in marvel rivals

if you alt tab it kills half rate v-sync

[rigid jackal]

wait what

like deactivated until game restart?

[humble veldt]

n

just while the window isn't in focus

[rigid jackal]

ah

[humble veldt]

the lag is indeed horrendous though

its laggier than using the built in limiter to cap it to 60

also for what its worth I switched to fixed refresh first in the nvcp

and then I used inspector to enable half rate v-sync

since I wasn't sure what to disable in inspector

to kill g-sync

[rigid jackal]

thats what I did as well, maybe I need to follow your nvpi settings closely

but cool that it works for you

maybe I have some busted driver or global settings or something

[humble veldt]

I assume you're using the one that has the overflow fix?

[rigid jackal]

idk what's that

[humble veldt]

https://github.com/Orbmu2k/nvidiaProfileInspector/releases/tag/2.4.0.8

2nd latest one

[rigid jackal]

ah thanks, downloaded it today to try the global dlss overrides

but I'm not sure if I used it to test the 1/2 vsync

[humble veldt]

works for me

also I gotta admit

I'm not sure if the latency is any better than 30fps lmao

and unreal's limiter does mess with the pacing

good news is I'm not getting anymore 60ms spikes

[humble veldt]

do you guys use hardware or software lumen?

[humble veldt]

its def better than front edge sync 30fps

back edge though I don't know

[neat kestrel]

We have a choice?

[pallid lava]

What do you think Ray Tracing toggle in options do?

HW lumen makes the game stutter even more sadly

But SW lumen is gimped in PC

There's a cvar to fix it, lemmie look for it

[rigid jackal]

I wonder if you're getting rid of additional stutters that way tho, not sure about the intricacies of half refresh vsync

[pallid lava]

sg.GlobalIlluminationQuality=4
sg.ReflectionQuality=4

also
.Lumen.TranslucencyReflections.FrontLayer.Allow=1
r.Lumen.TranslucencyReflections.FrontLayer.Enable=1

If you are capping to thirty use r.OneFrameThreadLag=0 to reduce the input lag

and don't use in game vsync

[rigid jackal]

wouldn't this introduce more stutters

or does it just not matter at 30

[pallid lava]

It shouldn't matter at 30

[neat kestrel]

I thought the game used software lumen for something else idk

I haven't played in like 5 months

I used hardware then

I'm surprised you guys are spinning your wheels so much on this. I just locked to 60 with a controller and it was easily playable with some occasional annoying stutters lol

Maybe my tolerance is higher

Or i'm old and blind

[tough scarab]

i suggest removing cpu affinity from e-cores, thats how I fixed my stutter on 12600k

aside from unavoidable traversal or pso stutters, it made the game almost perfectly smooth, using Ultra+ mod

[neat kestrel]

One day i will replay this game

[humble veldt]

I haven't really seen any stutter(that wasn't on the graph)

[neat kestrel]

I was in a shitty mood yesterday so sorry if I sounded like I was dismissing your guy's struggles with this game by saying like "worked fine for me"

[humble veldt]

I'm just overthinking it anyway you're good

[humble veldt]

on a more positive note

with the black floor fix at least

the game's indirect lighting does look fantastic

[summer gyro]

ya

I also installed the mod that reduces the player light

[neat kestrel]

Yea me too

And one that makes the guns sound cooler

[hardy viper]

Same - since I started modding i tinker more than enjoy playing. Not to complain, I enjoy it and like this community. Plus the results with properly implemented renodx is amazing for hdr.

That said I need to start enjoying my first ever playthrough of cp2077 and stop screwing with slider constantly haha

[humble veldt]

renodx?

[tired mural]

That's an easy fix. Subscription model for slider usage.

You have used up your 3 free slider changes. Subscribe now for $4.99/mo for upto 10 Adjustments per day.

[hardy viper]

Brilliant idea lol

[lost spire]

tonemappers:
vanilla, none, aces, renodrt (premium, unlock for 9.99)

[neat kestrel]

The game needs it lol

[hazy thorn]

Was thinking of doing another playthrough. My first one was with just using BFF shader, now that there's renodx, should I use the one from nexusmods or the snapshot on github?

And what would the in-game HDR settings need to be at?

[hazy thorn]

I just set the HDR min luminance to -4 as suggested, but what about HDR Max Luminance? I set it to my TVs, 800 nits but it doesn't reach 800 in that same test menu. Should I expect it to reach 800 sometimes in-game?

Also, What setting would you guys recommend within reno? Black Floor Fix only or the default one which I can't remember the name right now?

[summer gyro]

it overshoots in game anyway

but its not too bad

[hazy thorn]

Ah does it? So aim for 800 for my case then?

What about the “Type”, I know it’s probably personal preference but having option paralysis lol, both gamma and contrast offset look good imo, but not sure which one makes the most sense

[summer gyro]

I felt like gamma affected midtones too much

I did contrast at like 25

[hazy thorn]

Btw, I just found an issue. I've been pulling my hair with this. But I found renodx to be the culprit of causing a Halo effect around Jame's head when rotating the camera with FG on, almost like there's a semi-copy of the model a few frames ahead.

I reinstalled the game, tested with default DLSS version, NVapp overriden, added RR, etc. No halo at all. As soon as I add April's snapshot from github it causes it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff3yqoPBT7I

I'm gonna try nexusmods version to see if it makes a difference

Tested nexus version, same thing. Uninstalled reshade, no glitchy halo.
@summer gyro

[summer gyro]

Maybe try the snapshot

https://github.com/clshortfuse/renodx/wiki/Mods

[hazy thorn]

That's what I stated on my first message. I used the snapshot first then the nexus version

As soon as I add April's snapshot from github it causes it.

[summer gyro]

Only other thing I can think of is trying that beta reshade

[hazy thorn]

Which one?

[summer gyro]

#🧩renodx-dev message

[hazy thorn]

ty, gonna give it a shot

Yep, still there. Even if I select "vanilla" in reno, it shows. So it seems to be reno? Used April and nexus versions.
It's instantly noticeable compared to without

[summer gyro]

ya probably a reno or maybe reshade bug

[hazy thorn]

deleted reno addon, kept reshade install, no halo

[hazy thorn]

Is there a possibility of fixing this or not really at this point? Cause I can't find a good value with black floor fix :[ Always feels like its crushing shadow detail

[sterile mauve]

give them more than a few hours bro

[summer gyro]

ShortFuse might know what it is

[gray parrot]

You wont get rid of it... I had the same issue on my C9 and so I never used reno for this game.

Oddly it only happens to the few of us and not everyone

[humble veldt]

only with frame gen?

[hazy thorn]

I actually just managed to get rid of it. I reinstalled the drivers (DDU) and the game. And all by default with FG it doesnt show anymore. But if I override FG to the latest version it does show the halo.

Before, it was showing the halo even with 3.7 dlssg I think because of U+. Im not using it anymore, I replaced dlssg to 3.8.1 even and its flawless.

At this very moment Im overriding DLSS in nvapp to transformers (preset K) and not overriding FG and 0 issues.

So, SR = 3.12.1 / FG = 3.8.1

[gray parrot]

Ok my mistake. You had a halo on james head and not in dark areas cuz of hdr. Different issue.

Glad you figured it out

[molten hamlet]

you basically need 60hz vsync to avoid the animation error in this game so FG is pretty much useless imo

[tough scarab]

30 fps

[peak bane]

doesn’t ultra+ fix it?

the animation stutter

unless there’s another animation bug i dont know about

[tough scarab]

its explained in DF video I don't remember it