▫️Silent Hill 2 Remake

[zealous pebble]

OLED bx LG

[rigid jackal]

those are your settings then as well?

just changing vsync to 1/3

or do you have that option in nvidias control panel

[zealous pebble]

No I just downloaded nvi and used that

And yes that's my setting

Game still stutters noticeably at intersections though. I'd have to reduce settings probably to completely eliminate...

The stutter definitely wasn't as bad as setting the fps to 60 though

[tough scarab]

I don't get it, I thought you had to use the engine cap for the delta issue

[zealous pebble]

You do which is what I'm trying next with ini tweaks that Adrian suggested

[tough scarab]

and you can't do 40 for that fix

it's either 30 or 45

[zealous pebble]

How do you do 45?

[zealous pebble]

This doesn't do anything FYI

[tough scarab]

from what I understood you need to cap it at 30 or 45 from the engine

[zealous pebble]

Yeah I've seen that, I just don't know how you change it to 45

In the engine I mean

[tough scarab]

try UUU

you'll have to do it while game is running each time

[zealous pebble]

This also doesn't do anything.

Olek is correct we'd need UUU

Got another question for you guys... Is there any way to hotkey the melee weapon?

It's so annoying to have to pause to do so... Maybe I'm missing something

Oh you just press r2 without aiming LMAO I'm an idiot

[tough scarab]

which command are you supposed to use to cap the fps

[zealous pebble]

Haven't looked that deeply into it yet. Gotta step away from my pc now

[tough scarab]

UUU crashes the game for me

[rigid jackal]

have you tried injecting it in game

like, when you've already loaded your save

because it worked for me rn

[tough scarab]

yes still crashed

and i had MSI AB disabled

maybe because the UUU version isn't the latest? It's 5.3.0

figured it out

doesn't work with FG mod

uh wtf is the key for the console

[rigid jackal]

~

[tough scarab]

it's not working for me

[rigid jackal]

ya the tilde key is also not working for me, I always change it to comma

tilde probably only works on us keyboards

[tough scarab]

I cant find the keybind setting for it

ah separate section

t.maxfps does nothing

value changes but does nothing

guess that's why?

so fixed time step stops the engine's frame caps from working?

lol I am confused, I capped it at 30 with RTSS and it looks like slomo instead

45 still looks sped up

[gray parrot]

yup thats what Alex from DF said would happen

[tough scarab]

not my point though

30 looks like slow mo

I just loaded the game without the time step command

running at 60+

with time step and 30 fps cap i was getting slow mo

compared to this

[signal heart]

getting a crash trying to run the renodx addon

[summer gyro]

There’s a link to download the Snapshot

Let me add that to GitHub

Make sure you’re also using the newest ultra+ cause older versions of ultra+ would crash with it

[signal heart]

yeah i got the latest ultra+

[summer gyro]

https://github.com/clshortfuse/renodx/wiki/Mods

[signal heart]

thanks so much

[hazy thorn]

Not sure if related but got a crash exiting the game, like with Ultra+ 1.0.0 but im actually using vanilla now

[hazy thorn]

Is this the same as the latest pinned?

[summer gyro]

Not sure but this is updated whenever the main GitHub is updated

[zealous pebble]

I get that crash often when exiting the game. It doesn't break anything though

So I'm meh about it

Locking to 40fps with 4k, RT on has been a lot more playable on my rig. Rtx 3080, ddr5 and a 12600k.

And it's just smooth enough at 40 to not make my eyes bleed

There's still a occasional stutter but it's not pausing the whole game or anything

[wet kelp]

obsolete

it's fixed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1wYygzbdo4

watch the frame time. over to you Alex

[wet kelp]

look how regular this last hitch is

[wet kelp]

at 50 fps, it's still exactly every 2 seconds, so it's not frame-relative, it's something else

this is likely too wide

yes, it's audio + animations, as i thought

i can't test this rn, husband has put me to bed 😄

need to test

[SystemSettings]
a.Streaming.ChunkSizeSeconds      : (2.0) change to e.g. 1.0 to prove/disprove theory
vm.ParallelChunksPerBatch=2       ; (4)
vm.PageSizeInKB=128               ; (64) in KB (!) conservataively try to raise

[hazy thorn]

I wasn't even looking at the framepacing and just looking at the gameplay and everytime the running animation had a tiny hitch, there it was.

You sure this isn't related to what DF demonstrated?

[neat kestrel]

I sent this before I chatted with you I think 🙂

[signal heart]

I take it loading hitches in certain areas are just something that needs to be fixed on bloobers end, though ultra+ + 1/2 refresh sync has given me smooth 60 on my oled

[neat kestrel]

Sammi was saying she recommended vsync off and using nvidia control panel to cap

might be a few methods

[signal heart]

Yeah thats what im doing

120hz/2 for 60

Had to turn off vrr because of how flickery the oled was being

[gray parrot]

so whats the consensus, the framerate hitches are resolved but not the audio+animation stuff? Game still stutters for me with a 50 FPS cap and Vsync Off. Maybe a little less than before... but iam also at the very demanding hotel area.

[velvet gazelle]

Stutters look on par with Alex's test

[pallid lava]

What's interesting that those appear to be a spikes in the GPU usage (according to presentmon), traversal stutter are always CPU related

[velvet gazelle]

Where do you see that? I don't see that.
It's definitely not because of the GPU.

[pallid lava]

You can add presentmon_frame_scale.ovl to the RTSS OSD, this will give you GPU busy graph

When playing yesterday I've seen that the green line (GPU busy) spikes alongside the purple one (frametime)
With traversal stutters, only the purple one spikes

[zealous pebble]

Can you please do this again but run through the town? Still get crazy hitches when running through intersections and near Neelys bar.

The forest seems to be the smoothest area so not a great stress test even in vanilla

[quartz epoch]

lol the rain doesn't reach the edge of the playable space in this section, so there's just a random hard cut off

[crystal flame]

https://www.nexusmods.com/silenthill2/mods/145

[crystal flame]

(just removing previous pins)

[wet kelp]

no because how it loads (streams) is controlled by the engine configuration 😊

[wet kelp]

sure thing

[wet kelp]

yay! 😊 *edit: linked

[zealous pebble]

Thank you!

[signal heart]

My hitches are gone in town but some threshholds in the apartments, hospital, and otherworld sections are diabolical

[wet kelp]

you might want to add s.AsyncLoadingUseFullTimeLimit=1 for this test, which causes the streamer (and other systems) to try and spread loading more evenly across frames

[hazy thorn]

Updated? Or same as the last you pinned before?

[crystal flame]

slightly updated. also includes fixed ui shaders, as if they ever add official dlss frame generation, it'll be broken with hdr on

i simplified the math a bit, it will be a tiny bit darker by default

[quartz epoch]

I know Musa has his in-game settings and scales them with Pumbo's ReShade, but you're just using the in-game defaults along with your Reno addon, right?

[crystal flame]

yeah. though i did feel like the prison was way too dark (not due to the mod fortunately, it works as intended) and i raised them there

also fun fact - one of the labyrinth sections has no raise at all by default

[quartz epoch]

I did notice some weird behaviour with the in-game min luminance slider where 0.0 to -0.8 lowers blacks more than at -1.0 exactly, but then -1.2 and beyond goes lower again like you'd expect

-4.0 / -1.0 / 0.0

[crystal flame]

it's log10

as in, log10(black floor) = minluminancesetting

there's no reason they'd expose the setting like that

they just have no idea what it does

so for -4 you have 0.0001

for -1 you have 0.1

[proud moth]

1/10000 = 0.0001

[crystal flame]

yeah that^

[summer gyro]

pow(10,-4)

[crystal flame]

and the value is not just the black floor, it changes more. it's one of the arguments for aces tonemapping

but it does represent the absolute minimum it can reach afaik

[sick bison]

is this different from this one? that says it uses yours.
https://www.nexusmods.com/silenthill2/mods/138

[crystal flame]

unauthorized upload

[sick bison]

oof

[crystal flame]

it's not that i really care, but nobody asked for permission. i was going to upload it to nexus myself

i was just toying with a few other approaches

in any case the one i uploaded is newer

[sick bison]

I'm using the one that was pinned here. So I will just update to the one you pinned

[crystal flame]

aye

[quartz epoch]

I'm obviously just misunderstanding, but how come in this case 0.0 to -0.8 would have lower blacks than at -1.0? I can understand -4.0 being lower than -1.0

[crystal flame]

oh i also misunderstood you

i also don't understand how that's possible 😅

[quartz epoch]

yeah, it's weird

[crystal flame]

i thought you meant it's raising more rapidly or something

[quartz epoch]

you can see the CIE diagram looks totally different at -1.0 compared to other values - lower or higher - which look more similar to each other, too

[crystal flame]

0 should theoretically be very raised too

so, aces internally must be doing something more with this

[quartz epoch]

0.0 is lower than -1.0, so yeah, confusing

[crystal flame]

guess it's not the literal absolute min value

because pow(10, 0) should be 1

@tired mural knows aces

[quartz epoch]

I had just left it at -1.0 when I raised it a bit, because that seemed "correct" with it getting lower again if raised any further than that

because like yourself, I found the prison quite dark

[crystal flame]

i'd leave that alone and change mid luminance or the 1.5 exposure

the min is just weird no idea what to expect from it

[neat kestrel]

those of you using ultra+, are you guys using the engine override file from ultra+?

[hazy thorn]

Hmm, so slightly lower floor overall than previously?

[hazy thorn]

This. Labyrinth is DARK af

[hazy thorn]

Ah, wait. Did you manually raise in prison whilst you were playing or raised it in your new update?

[crystal flame]

manually in the game's hdr settings. nothing to do with the mod, separate issue really

[crystal flame]

no, same floor. just different math for the shadow offset, now it's completely removed instead of a math formula <- it was unnecessary, really, as it's done on the shadows only anyway

[hazy thorn]

I’m too uneducated to understand fully the implication . Basically, if I replace with the new one would I need to change anything realistically?

[crystal flame]

nope 🙂

[hazy thorn]

ty!

[neat kestrel]

Is there a way to get this game cheaper, aside from grey market keys? Or nah?

[rigid jackal]

you can buy this game at an official store for 48 bucks

https://gg.deals/game/silent-hill-2/

just don't use or even disable the keyshops on there

[neat kestrel]

thx!

so what's the latest on ultra+

are we chillin yet

[neat kestrel]

Also should i use the cutscene fps unlocker mod

[crystal flame]

yes

[neat kestrel]

it was taken off nexus for some reason

idk why

but i got an archived version

also it lets you choose anti aliasing even if you're using DLSS? that's weird

[neat kestrel]

@crystal flamefor whatever reason your renodx addon crashes the game on start

looks like it crashes if combined with the cutscene fps unlocker

[crystal flame]

unauthorized upload

[crystal flame]

i use both

[neat kestrel]

what do you mean

[crystal flame]

somebody uploaded it to the nexus that didn't have any permission to do so

[neat kestrel]

ohh

yea makes sense

okay one more question. Ersh's mod says not to mess with mid luminance, but in musa's screneshot above, he changed the default value

is that okay?

oh i gues he also adjusted the contrast amount in reno

and he's changing paperwhite

[summer gyro]

ersh liked an offset of 30 while i preferred 25 so maybe our difference in opinion is partially caused by different mid luminance

but ultimately I tested ersh's fix off and on and it works well with my settings

#🖼️hdr-screenshots message

[neat kestrel]

yea i'm gonna try yours out first!

for some reason i have to click "stop" in steam for this game when i close it

@summer gyro what did you use in terms of vsync/frame caps

ultra+ says vsync off + cap but then i'll get tearing

actually nvm i dont have a choice. I'd have to either use full vsync or fractional

and i'm not gonna hit 240 or 120 fps

[summer gyro]

I didn’t even cap framerate

Though I probably should

I’ll just do 60 in nvcp probably

[neat kestrel]

dont you have to do like 59.97 or something

actually it doesn't matter

it's vsync off

nvm

[summer gyro]

I do vrr

[neat kestrel]

i miss vrr

lol

did you turn vsync off though? Doesn't it still tear with vrr if that's off

[summer gyro]

I usually keep vsync on in every game

I’m not getting near 120hz anyway

[neat kestrel]

I wonder why ultra+ says to disable vsync

or maybe Sammi said taht

[summer gyro]

No idea but idk if I ever even touched the vsync toggle in this game

[neat kestrel]

I can't remember

[crystal flame]

don't mess with min, not mid

[neat kestrel]

nice i can't read

lol

[crystal flame]

😄

i mean, you can mess with it

just reset it if you did before installing

usually people would mess with it trying to lower the black floor

[summer gyro]

Ya I went with a much higher min after installing the mod

[neat kestrel]

yea your settings have it at -0.4

i'm about to start the game so i'll let ya know what i think

just doing a few things first

[neat kestrel]

kb/m or controller

[summer gyro]

Controller

[neat kestrel]

Aight

And japanese or english

[summer gyro]

Its set in America

[crystal flame]

always english unless you speak japanese 😤

[neat kestrel]

for some reason i thought bloober was japanese, they are not

i think i was getting it mixed up with FF16

where japanese is the native

[summer gyro]

They would make better horror games if they were Japanese

[crystal flame]

funnily enough no, it's not

[neat kestrel]

it's not?

[crystal flame]

ffxvi's intended dub is english

[neat kestrel]

interesting

[summer gyro]

Its a basically game of thrones but final fantasy

Not surprised English is intended

[neat kestrel]

i thought all those games were intended japanese for some reason

[quartz epoch]

I like to do it where it's setting appropriate: Metro in Russian, Persona in Japanese, Plague Tale in French etc.

and English when that's irrelevant

[crystal flame]

yeah, except the native dubs can often be worse in terms of actual acting

[neat kestrel]

I like to try to match whatever it was natively recorded in. I did'nt even think to do French with Plague tale though

meh actually maybe that's not true. i played metro games in english

i think it's just japanese stuff i try to match

[crystal flame]

and i find i really prefer to understand what they're saying.
this is about games though, with actual actors or very movie-like captures in games i'd only consider the original performance

[quartz epoch]

I like stuff like Cyberpunk where even playing with it set to English, you'll still hear people speaking in Spanish or Japanese as well

I think old Hitman was like that, too

[crystal flame]

yea that's great

[neat kestrel]

Playing with ultra+ and a controller I'm not noticing too much stutter. It's still there a bit but it's fine. The game seems fairly slow

[crystal flame]

like, in plague tale english amicia and hugo were great, in terms of actual acting. no idea if the french dub was as good

[crystal flame]

wait till you get to the apartments 🙂

[neat kestrel]

lol

[crystal flame]

the outside areas are fine

[neat kestrel]

are the syringes just a better health item

[crystal flame]

yeah

[neat kestrel]

i'm like right in the beginning

just killed the first zipped up weird dude

I'll play more on the weekend probably

[sick bison]

So what are the in game recommended presets? the default are too dark

[umbral kernel]

Fuck this game's absolute anus stutters

I can't even pinpoint the proper cause sometimes.

Fresh launch start the game, load, it has tons of stutters while just walking or even stationary and spinning the camera around in a simple interior room

Quit game, relaunch, stuttering gone.

Sometimes it's exclusively stuttering when you pick up items

[hazy thorn]

I saw snippets, it was bad lool. Og performances are in english

Btw, that game (second one mainly) completely broke me lol, not afraid to admit it

[velvet gazelle]

The works better after a reset thing can be due to lack of vram or a overheating pc. But also maybe not because game will stutter even with the most powerful PC

[velvet gazelle]

Do u speak French? I played game in French with English subtitles and thought it was fun

Obviously the original actors are English but I believe the scripts are first written in French

[hazy thorn]

Nope, just the very basics! 😄 I thought about it but when I saw the performances were originally in English then left it at that. Not a fan of no proper mouth syncing etc

Essentially it acts as a dub, which I hate, but yeah the setting is obviously in France but I get why they opted for OG performances to be in English

https://www.nexusmods.com/silenthill2/mods/80

has anyone tried this? Looks like it matches OG SH2 color scheme very well, not sure how it will work in HDR though. There's a video there as well

[tough scarab]

Nobody here is interested in shitty Reshade presets

[umbral kernel]

You didn't read what I said properly.

I said it will have massive stutters sometimes even on a freshly started system+game but then quit and start game again and it's okay

[last fiber]

Yeah same. The consequence of not pre-compiling shaders?

[wet kelp]

well I've tested the hdr mod for 5 minutes then my game just chewed itself 😂

[umbral kernel]

I'm using your mod, plus ersh's hdr fix, plus SK so I doubt the addon is to blame 😛

Might just be bad luck

[neat kestrel]

SK apparently causes issues

Worse stuttering

[wet kelp]

oh, no it's nothing to do with the hdr addon... it's UE being UE

[neat kestrel]

Are you crashing on start?

[neat kestrel]

It just looks like the "90s" graphics style in settings turned on with maxed out sharpening

[umbral kernel]

Huh, really? Is this with or without reflex

[neat kestrel]

The game doesn't have reflex

Or at least I didn't see it in options

[umbral kernel]

I mean SK Reflex

[neat kestrel]

Oh, idk. I just know everyone said it caused stutters with SK

[umbral kernel]

It's default on unless you turn it off

[neat kestrel]

SK doesn't force reflex by default

if the game has it, SK will have it

I mean it doesn't force a reflex override (using SK reflex instead of game)

sometimes games that don't show reflex in the options menu still apparently have it

idk why

[umbral kernel]

No SK defaults to Reflex on if it sees you have active VRR/Gsync

[neat kestrel]

Does it override the in-game reflex?

i haven't used vrr in a long time

[umbral kernel]

I'm actually not sure since I usually manually tweak that as normal routine for any new game I run lol

[neat kestrel]

yea idk. But yea everyone was saying SK caused worse stuttering

so maybe try it without

see if it feels any better

[umbral kernel]

I did notice that this game seems to change flip discard into flip sequential

[neat kestrel]

I don't know enough about those specifics to know what that means ha

I know they're flip model parameters

but yea

[umbral kernel]

Well forget the specifics, usually SK overrides things to flip discard here the game seems to be overriding SK setting flip discard for some reason

I know Ersh created a module to mess with the game's window management as well, wonder if that also runs into the same issue

[neat kestrel]

I think the ersh mod was to prevent it from going into fullscreen when you alt tab

[last fiber]

This game and UE are scaaring us on a whole another level, not just gameplay 😂

[gray parrot]

Now, I am not claiming some magic here but updated to the latest patch of the game last night - took off all mods except 3, the black floor fix, the Cutscenes fix and Ray Recons. Motion Blurr and Vsync Off... Preset "E". Capped the frame rate to 50 FPS in Nvidia app and a lot of the stutter is gone even in the apt. I was kinda taken aback by it. The Frame rates were/are still shit, hovering around 45-50 FPS but the spikes are a lot smaller for some reason and not noticeble. Which in turn helps with flicker and seemed like a solid experience playing at Balanced DLSS for now. Finally, I could stop worrying about the stutter and actually play some game. I would like to credit Sammi for her recommendation on capping fps in NCP. Hope you guys can find similar experience cuz the game itself is really well made otherwise.

[umbral kernel]

What latest patch? The last update was 12 days ago

[gray parrot]

Yeah I hadnt updated it

[umbral kernel]

Uhhh were you some kind of early tester or something?

[gray parrot]

how do you mean?

[neat kestrel]

i see no patch

[umbral kernel]

Well there's only been 1 "patch" for the game and that was to correct some italian subtitles nothing else afaik

And nothing since 12 days ago

[gray parrot]

yup I just applied the one and only patch, not sure I get your point

[zealous pebble]

...

[neat kestrel]

I think the point is there was no patch ha

it might have been a steam definition update or something

where it "updates" but nothing changes

[umbral kernel]

Sometimes Steam "updates" a game but there's no actual patch or even changes in the game depot

[neat kestrel]

yea that

[gray parrot]

yeah possibly that

regardless, I am not claiming it did anything or fix anything

[umbral kernel]

I was just confirming because maybe some beta branch access was mentioned on steam forum or something and you had access to that

[gray parrot]

ahh nah man

[umbral kernel]

That's what I wanted to know

[gray parrot]

but I recommend everyone to try capping FPS in Nvidia app and see if that helps. Leave the in game cap to unlimited per Sammi

[neat kestrel]

Yea that's what I did last night, but I only played the beginning

seemed okay with a controller and ultra+

[gray parrot]

beginning of the game runs much smoother than later on inside buildings oddly, where in Alan Wake 2, it was the opposite

[neat kestrel]

yea then we'll see

[hazy thorn]

it looks much better than the "90s graphic" that mode is disgusting, like vignette taking up 60% of screen space

[neat kestrel]

Usually reshade presets aren't recommended for HDR

Because they're made for SDR

[rigid jackal]

The apartments are really stuttery, unfortunately, even with Ultra Plus :(

[gray parrot]

see my response above regarding apts. and give it a shot

[neat kestrel]

How far into the games do you get to the apartments?

[gray parrot]

I was at 3 hour mark cuz I have no idea what im doing in this game half of the time

just running around like an idiot until I stumble upon things

[hazy thorn]

it's not that hard come on 😄

[gray parrot]

Its my first time playing the game, and without no hud or map, I just roam around lol I know that should have been like an hour max

but thats how I end up playing all the games, cuz Im slow 😅 and im ok with that

thats why when i play God of War, I keep the puzzle help ON, just let Artreus tell me what to do, otherwise we'll never leave the swamp haha

[neat kestrel]

Yea i ran around a while in the main town ha

I never played the original

So idk what I'm doing either

[gray parrot]

All I can say is move with purpose... b/c without purpose

https://tenor.com/view/abell46s-matrix-reface-the-matrix-neo-vs-smith-clones-gif-18606226

[hazy thorn]

? there's maps

[gray parrot]

I mean like a mini map in the hud

[hazy thorn]

https://www.nexusmods.com/silenthill2/mods/151

lmao

[hazy thorn]

ah right! Thank God there isn't

[gray parrot]

yeah not needed in a game like this

[hazy thorn]

This isn't about being elitist but I hate how handholdy everything is nowadays

even movies

dialogue etc

[umbral kernel]

You should ask how far into the game do you get out of the apartments 😛

But I wouldn't say apartments in particular are stuttery, more like the beginning areas pre-apartments barely seem to stutter but apartments and beyond it can get really stuttery a lot of times

[gray parrot]

Yeah I dont see the performance improving inside the game anytime soon. But like Alan Wake was just the opposite, outdoors/jungle area was super heavy and indoors were a breeze, here its just a mess, like Balanced DLSS is only 45FPS for 4K, not cool at all

[neat kestrel]

I'm at 1440p and so far (not very far into the game) i'm maintaining a constant 60 with a bit of hitching

but we'll see

[gray parrot]

Get ready to drop to high 40s later on then

it is that demanding yes

[neat kestrel]

great

So just to confirm, SK is def causing stuttering for you guys in this game?

Gias from SK is saying he wasn't aware of any reports of this

[gray parrot]

not stutter, but performance hit

[neat kestrel]

alrighty

i'll let him know

thx

[gray parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/no-thank-you-ed-kel-mitchell-good-burger-2-i'm-good-gif-456091082400001038

[neat kestrel]

Someone there thinks it's SK trying to set reflex?

is the performance hit still there if you disable reflex in SK

[gray parrot]

IDK, I'd have to find that setting in SK to try

[neat kestrel]

Yea I'd be interested to know

[neat kestrel]

Can you confirm if anything changes performance-wise with SK if you disable reflex?

[sick bison]

I haven't done the 50fps cap in NVCP but I locked the framerate in game to 60 with vsync on and changed the display setting in windows to 60hz and it has been much smoother experience than unlocked
I finished the apartment with this setup. There are still some stutters and performance drops but not as jarring as unlocked.

[umbral kernel]

That someone is me speculating😛

I'll check the next time I play the game

[hazy thorn]

50 fps cap in nvidia and 60 in game? whyt

I've been playing with 60 fps locked in RTSS with 0 issues. unlocked in-game

[sick bison]

no, I'm saying I haven't done the 50fps cap that someone mentioned above
just 60 in game.

[gray parrot]

With 0 issues, them are some heavy words

Im sure you are playing in 4K since you have an C9 @hazy thorn what kinda FPS are you getting indoors?

[sick bison]

the game will still drop and the stutter would be there but it's much better than unlocked framerate stutters and the added VRR flciker

[hazy thorn]

Well, I mean, 0 issues as in, lool, no issues with any sort of weirdness that capping could cause

on certain engines

capped at 60 is much better than running it wild

[hazy thorn]

I'm playing vanilla, with RR, in the apartments it's obviously a shit show

latter areas there's very little drops

I'm obviously ignoring the obvious stutters

[rigid jackal]

unfortunately, those don't really help, have still a ton of stutters in apartments

even at 30fps

[neat kestrel]

Ok seems like this game just stutters no matter what you do

There is probably no secret method to fix it

Same with frame drops

Another wonderful AAA release everyone

If DF couldn't fix it then i doubt we will

[umbral kernel]

Average bloober game more like

[neat kestrel]

Yea

[sick bison]

it's a common unreal engine 5 issue
Alex said all UE5 games have sttutters

[wet kelp]

yes it's like it's forever building shaders

I've seen this before with other UE games

but I feel like my windows is broken after the last cumulative crapdate

[neat kestrel]

I had an issue with v1.0 of that cutscene fps unlocker mixed with ersh's black floor fix mod

i had to use v1.1 of the fps mod

then it worked

idk if that's the issue you're having

[pallid lava]

Hellblade 2 runs fine

[sick bison]

it still has traversal stutter. I think it less noticible because it's not a dense city with constant traversal changes.
source:
https://www.eurogamer.net/digitalfoundry-2024-senuas-saga-hellblade-2-pc-tech-review#:~:text=However%2C Hellblade 2 does still,is lump loaded and deloaded.

[gray parrot]

10-4 on capping, I thought you mean with the game itself there's 0 issues lol cuz there's a ton!

[wet kelp]

oh, no i had uninstalled all mods

UE can have a shader build issue where it just gets stuck forever building shaders

i've only ever seen it when the devs left the XGE shader farm enabled

[neat kestrel]

Is anyone else having an issue where the game keeps running even after you exit it

and you have to click "Stop" in Steam?

[wet kelp]

do you have the Chroma64 fix installed (or ultra+ 1.0.2 or earlier?)

[neat kestrel]

I'm using Ultra+ 1.0.2 with the chrome64fix

I'm using all 3 of these

[gray parrot]

What does the chrome64fix do actually

[neat kestrel]

Disables some razer plugin or some shit idk ha

Figured it coudln't hurt

I guess games ship out with that dll in case you have razer products but it can cause performance issues in some cases? Not sure how common it is

I don't have a razer product so figured it was fine to disable just inc ase

[gray parrot]

gotcha I just feel you plug one whole and it opens another somewhere in this leaky Silent Hill boat

[neat kestrel]

probably

[zealous pebble]

The game just does that even with vanilla I think

It's random

[neat kestrel]

crashing on exit?

[zealous pebble]

I meant it keeps running. But yes I've also seen the UE error splash repeatedly on the exit

[sterile mauve]

report it and get it taken down

[crystal flame]

already gone

[neat kestrel]

There is no need to worry about the black floor tweaks ultra+ makes when also using Ersh's mod, right? Ultra+ tweaks only matter for SDR?

[crystal flame]

yes

[sterile mauve]

are you sure?

seems like tweaks would be universal

[crystal flame]

no that cvar does nothing in hdr

[sterile mauve]

sweet 👍

[crystal flame]

also my black floor fix should work in sdr too

the cvar will crush blacks

[wet kelp]

hmm, this may cause the "not closing properly" problem

[sterile mauve]

what if you want to run both? 🤔

[crystal flame]

in sdr? reset that cvar to 0

[neat kestrel]

Which one specifically? The razer dll disable one?

I also have not tried 1.0.5 yet so maybe that will fix it?

[wet kelp]

sorry, yes... i think that's what's causing it

[wet kelp]

it's absolutely possible

[pallid lava]

They do stack up in SDR

[neat kestrel]

no worries. i'll just remove it for now.

[hazy thorn]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/2124490/discussions/0/4699034745345918695/?ctp=23

reading this thread is absolute cancer. The amount of people claiming there's 0 stutters. "Maybe the issue is your setup" is insane

[tough scarab]

browse steam forums at your own peril

[hazy thorn]

but for the most part this is why a lot of times devs don't fix crap. the bar is set so low, some people seem to be barely sentient, how can they not notice?! oO

to anyone here using puredark's FG mod, how much worse is the latency?

[tough scarab]

look up latency analyses of FG

you more or less get the latency of the real base framerate

I have a problem with the FG mod, it's capping GPU usage at 90% for some reason

not seen that in any other game

also with how awful the frametimes in this game are, it's a bit of a terrible experience

FG amplifies the stutters

[gray parrot]

https://www.nexusmods.com/silenthill2/mods/23?tab=description

[neat kestrel]

Seems similar to Ultra+

[gray parrot]

This seems to be strictly FPS boost at the cost of visuals for the most part, Ultra+ does not improve FPS performance from what Ive seen...

[hazy thorn]

https://www.nexusmods.com/silenthill2/mods/111

this one apart from removing film grain and CA which can be undone by the user doesnt change anything visually, looking at the list of commands but

not sure how placebo this is tbh

didnt test, dont like not knowing what half of those commands do

[gray parrot]

about placebo - the mod I linked has a video to go along with:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eg1_dVCCqTk

[hazy thorn]

My goal was to just include as many optimizations as possible (both for CPU/GPU/RAM/SSD) in order to remove most stuttering (except for specific traversal stuttering which is impossible to fix except by the devs themselves), improve performance, reduce input latency and improve picture clarity (by removing Film Grain & Chromatic Aberration) all without any visual loss nor introducing glitches or crashes.

At least he does show all commands in the description which is cool

[neat kestrel]

There's like 8 mods that claim to do these things ha

[hazy thorn]

D3D12.AFRUseFramePacing=1 D3D12.MaximumFrameLatency=3 D3D12.PSO.DiskCache=1 D3D12.PSO.DriverOptimizedDiskCache=1 D3D12.AsyncDeferredDeletion=1 FX.AllowAsyncTick=1 FX.BatchAsync=1 FX.BatchAsyncBatchSize=8 FX.EarlyScheduleAsync=1 AllowAsyncRenderThreadUpdates=1 AllowAsyncRenderThreadUpdatesDuringGamethreadUpdates=1 AllowAsyncRenderThreadUpdatesEditor=1 AudioThread.BatchAsyncBatchSize=9999999

does this like this even do anything?

[gray parrot]

This is the first one I've seen with a video backing it up

Though I am still not convinced I wanna try it

[neat kestrel]

Oh sorry, i wasn't saying I don't believe it. Just that there are a lot

[gray parrot]

I may try it for shits and giggles though I am onto the next apartment building and holding at 55-60 FPS and no stutters at DLSS Quality

[neat kestrel]

Which mods are you currently using

[gray parrot]

I can tell you the mods or I can tell you what made a difference for stutter

or both lol

[neat kestrel]

Both!

[sterile mauve]

i would only trust sammi's stuff, Ultra+

[gray parrot]

The mods Im using: Ultra +, the black floor fix, the Cutscenes fix and Ray Recons. Motion Blurr and Vsync Off... Preset "E". What fixed the stutter for me>> Capped the frame rate to 60 FPS in Nvidia app. The spikes are still there but a lot smaller and not noticeble.

[neat kestrel]

Whats ray recons

Oh NVM

Lol

Ray reconstruction

And sk definitely makes performance worse?

[sick bison]

Latency was fine my problem with it was the amount of artifacts was way worse than normal FG artifacts and I had to remove it
they were very distracting.

[gray parrot]

Seemed like it but I never gauged it, I just play without it now cuz photos be damned

[hazy thorn]

Well, I did as well, but a few versions kind of broke the game, removed ambient occlusion, etc. features added, then removed, then added back again. On a pak, so you can't easily comment them out either

[hazy thorn]

what kind of artifacts? if I may ask

[sick bison]

I don't know the terms people use for those but kinda smeary is what I would say. When you pan the camera objects blend a bit. it was noticeable in the game because of how much stuff is indoors.

[hazy thorn]

interesting, I can barely notice any difference in the video

PQ wise

[hazy thorn]

is that truly because of FG or ghosting that is present even without FG?

[sick bison]

I think that happens with frame generation trying to interpolate the frames
but for me it was I pressed the button to turn it on and they were there, pressed it again and they were gone.

[hazy thorn]

main difference I noticed is jame's hair and trees

but that might be depth of field disabled

[neat kestrel]

@gray parrotwhat version of Ultra+ are you using currently? latest 1.0.5?

[neat kestrel]

probably FG

[sick bison]

I was indoors in a later segment and there were those heaters and their pillars were blending together when panning the camera in a smeary way

[summer gyro]

It’s made by that P40l0 guy

That has the Patreon

Probably took some stuff from Sammi’s mod

Cause he also took screenshots from the DF video comparing RTX HDR and AutoHDR and used that on his Patreon

[neat kestrel]

oh no that guy sucks

don't listen to literally anything that guy says

Have you ever read his nvidia control panel recommendations?

absolute enigma

also his LG OLED settings

[summer gyro]

Ya sounds about right

[hazy thorn]

what did he say, no idea who he is

lol

[neat kestrel]

He just recommends wack ass settings and his reasoning makes zero sense

and he charges real money to push misinformation to people

like "hey pay me $5/month so i can tell you bullshit settings"

[sick bison]

I only remember him for being stubborn saying to not use HGIG for tone mapping for some reason

[hazy thorn]

was just curious to see what his takes were lool

[hazy thorn]

lmao

2089 members.

[neat kestrel]

rip

2089 people getteing ripped off

and using wrong settings

[neat kestrel]

Yea that sounds about right

[hazy thorn]

[neat kestrel]

you should do the opposite

You should leave control panel on "Application-Controlled" and enable it in game. If the in-game one is screwed up, use SK or force it in nvidia (BUT ONLY ON A PER GAME BASIS, NOT GLOBAL)

[hazy thorn]

depends on the game, a lot of games have garbage vsync

I actually have it on, this came from blurbusters btw

also if you have vsync on in NVCP and then on in-game, it will use in-game

[neat kestrel]

the blurbuster's guide is outdated

[neat kestrel]

no pretty sure it overrides

[sick bison]

tbf, even Alex from DF in the past has recommended turning it on in NVCP and off in games

[neat kestrel]

if you force it on then every time you alt tab, it'll keep VRR active and your desktop windows will stutter pretty sure sorry this is wrong. mixed it up with the "VRR" toggle in windows

[hazy thorn]

I 100% have played games, can't tell you which form the top of my head that vsync on in-game = stutter fest (using gsync of course) but using NVCP VSync was perfect

[neat kestrel]

i need to brush up on the technicalities

[hazy thorn]

or even a lot of times in-game fps cap is also garbage

[neat kestrel]

Some games also make the games with the assumption you'll use the in game vsync, i.e. old unity games

it caps framerate with vsync off

in game

there's weird stuff like that

[hazy thorn]

I don't alt tab on games anyway :p

[neat kestrel]

i need to check this fact so I could be wrong

[hazy thorn]

always play fullscreen, just a left over thing from the past lmao

[neat kestrel]

I actually forget the reason not to force it

[neat kestrel]

borderless fullscreen (on win11 at least) is vastly superior

[hazy thorn]

so is it now recommended to play borderless? on every modern game?

I honestly, I just kept at fullscreen because of legacy reasons, and remember early on when borderless was a thing it was jank

[neat kestrel]

Oh I remember now!

it causes random programs to force vsync globally

like desktop programs

and can cause issues

[neat kestrel]

Yes

except dx9 games don't have borderless fullscreen unless you use DXVK or something

@hazy thornJust to clarify, the reason I never use NVCP vsync is because if a game has bad in-game vsync, I just use SK vsync instead. But you can definitely use NVCP vsync if you want. I'm just advising against forcing it globally

because it will apply it to literally any program

so do it on a per-game basis

[sterile mauve]

not really, very few modern games

[neat kestrel]

I rarely come across a game that has bad in game vsync tbh

i'm sure there a few but I think like 99% of the time it's fine

Satisfactory actually might have shitty in game vsync

i'm not sure

[gray parrot]

Yes, the latest

[gray parrot]

Red flag right there

[pallid lava]

It does nothing about stuttering and you can get the same performance gain by just dropping down shadow and shaders quality

[rigid jackal]

you're using your oled without vrr, right? do you use sk's fractional vsync as well then (1/3, 1/4, ...)

[gray parrot]

There's one file claiming zero drop in quality but gaining FPS

[neat kestrel]

I am indeed using fixed refresh. But no, I either use latent sync or just regular vsync

and on CS2 I run uncapped vsync off

cause i get like 500 fps

[rigid jackal]

but not nvidias fractional vsync

[hazy thorn]

pc gaming man

[pallid lava]

And from what I've seen this P4olo guy was so confidently wrong about everything he says he might as well be a twitter bot

[hazy thorn]

ok so,
Borderless - start using
vsync - disable globally and try in-game

I did try 60 fps cap in-game on SH2R and RTSS was smoother for example

[neat kestrel]

Well SK offers all its framerate limiters at divisors of max refresh. I usually use 79.99 fps (1/3 max refresh) - i'm not sure if that's similar?

[neat kestrel]

no don't disable globally

leave it on application controlled

and then enable in game

if you have an issue in game, use SK vsync or nvidia (per game)

[rigid jackal]

ya, in nv profile inspector you can also do 1/3 vsync, 80 fps as well for you then

[hazy thorn]

that's what I meant sorry

[neat kestrel]

maybe it's the same or similar idk

[neat kestrel]

no worries!

I used to use global vsync on

for years

lol

until the SK people yelled at me

[pallid lava]

Ive seen those files, this and just about every other config of this kind is kitbashed form the other config files for other games all over the nexus mods
It's not just a snake oil, it's an ouroboros oil

[neat kestrel]

and explained why the other way is better

What I want to know though is if nvidia control panel (or SK) vsync overrides in game, or if you're supposed to turn in game off if using vsync elsewhere

My guess is it overrides unless the game is super weird or something

[gray parrot]

only oil around with a video on it

that being said, I like how Sammi's mod spreads the gains into other aspects of the game

[neat kestrel]

I rather just use sammi's mod because if I have an issue/question, I can just ping her lol

[hazy thorn]

ngl, the "graphics +" compared to vanilla actually looks good (obvviously performance decrease)

https://www.nexusmods.com/silenthill2/mods/23?tab=images

[neat kestrel]

Does this game disable tearing with vsync off? I swear I'm not seeing any ha

which is weird

unless i'm not sensitive to it

[pallid lava]

It looks like a different time of day

[gray parrot]

you tried it or just off of the video?

[hazy thorn]

images on the mod page, comparing vanilla to graphics+

[hazy thorn]

higher range of shadow casting or something?

super expensive probs

[pallid lava]

And yet it runs 9 fps faster according to the screenshot
Something doesn't add up

oh wait I looked at the screenshots wrong

graphics+ is 9 fps slower

[hazy thorn]

yeps

[pallid lava]

I really don't see the need to fuck with the lighting though

[hazy thorn]

not sure if its fucking withj the lightning or just shadow / lod

cause

[gray parrot]

I wouldnt think so, just bad screenshots

[hazy thorn]

can definitely see further

[pallid lava]

I don't care about some super turbo quality performance configs, I just want the game to not stutter damn it

[neat kestrel]

Isn't there a fog option in ultra+?

[hazy thorn]

or

its just the fog

[neat kestrel]

removes some of the fog

i would assume this is similar

[pallid lava]

Game looks good enough

[gray parrot]

no, plenty of mods for fog out there

[pallid lava]

I don't really think that's the point

[neat kestrel]

Right, but there's something in Ultra+ for fog

[hazy thorn]

well, not uber turbo quality performance config, but at least, playable framepacing in apartments xD

[neat kestrel]

in the overrides ini i mean

[gray parrot]

Sammi can confirm in Ultra+ thread

[neat kestrel]

maybe this does similar? idk

[neat kestrel]

no i mean i'm 100% sure. i'm not asking ha

it's in the overrides

i would imagine you could see further if you enabled this

[gray parrot]

ah ok

[neat kestrel]

worth a try maybe

I'll keep the fog in my game if that's how the game was supposed to look. I just keep thinking of the movie that came out in 2004 where the fog was a huge part of it

i never played the OG Silent Hill 2 so i'm going off the movie here ha

[hazy thorn]

will never ever disable the fog

in fact I wish there was more

[neat kestrel]

That movie slapped

[hazy thorn]

ayeee

[neat kestrel]

Sean Bean just running around looking confused and angry

classic

[hazy thorn]

so good

[gray parrot]

great movie

and yes I also want more fog

[neat kestrel]

There were honestly really good video game movies in the early 2000s

[gray parrot]

like up to my face

[neat kestrel]

Doom was also good

I just watched it last week

The newer doom movie that came out in like 2019 was bad tho

[gray parrot]

there was a new one?

[neat kestrel]

yea

[gray parrot]

Rock Doom is good

[neat kestrel]

doom: Armageddon or something?

[hazy thorn]

btw completely off topic

[neat kestrel]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doom:_Annihilation

[hazy thorn]

this just dropped

[neat kestrel]

yea sorry

off topic

ha

[hazy thorn]

how effin good does this look!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=591RFRnhNEY

[gray parrot]

damn that looks worse than a b-grade night time movie

[neat kestrel]

It wasn't good lol

[sterile mauve]

Vsync globally should be set to the default of use 3d application

[quartz epoch]

glad to see some stranger enemies with that painting monster

I really liked AW2, but found its enemy variety quite lacking with it being comprised of 90% regular taken and with the water ones making up the only more imaginative design

[hazy thorn]

I agree, enemy variety was an issue

still one of my favs of all time because I love the story and narrative but hard agree

the fidelity level is out of this world though

[gray parrot]

Maybe one day we'll get the silent hill movie UHD

I'd love to see some 4K fog ⚡ and sirens going off in Atmos

[neat kestrel]

haha yea

Does the game have forced film grain?

[hazy thorn]

which one

[neat kestrel]

SH2

[hazy thorn]

yeah I think it does

[neat kestrel]

alrighty

i'll just keep it then

I'm not seeing grain in game though

unless i'm blind

[gray parrot]

I dont see it either, I can usually spot it pretty quickly

[neat kestrel]

I was wondering if i should slap lilium's HDR film grain on, but I think the game is performance heavy enough, I don't need to lower it any further

even if it's just 2 fps

[hazy thorn]

I'm definitely using it because I think it looks great actually (lilium's specifically)

[neat kestrel]

Sammi is saying there's native film grain applied selectively to objects?

i'll play more tn and see if i can see it

otherwise yea, slap on lilium's

[neat kestrel]

i'm seeing this paywalled mod pushed in the other server ha

Looks interesting but it's paid only so yea forget it

[tough scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/arthur-morgan-muneh-arthur-morgan-muneh-got-some-money-for-me-boy-you-got-some-money-for-me-boy-gif-23677589

[neat kestrel]

So is this one of those games where the zombies get back up all the time

[quartz epoch]

just keep beating them up when they're downed until a blood puddle appears and they only rarely get back up again after that

[neat kestrel]

nice

thx

[sick bison]

there are limited enemies but based on progress more can show up in the same area

[hazy thorn]

When using RR with the following in engine ini (not using ultra+)

r.NGX.DLSS.denoisermode=1
r.Lumen.Reflections.BilateralFilter=0
r.Lumen.Reflections.ScreenSpaceReconstruction=0
r.lumen.Reflections.Temporal=0
r.Shadow.Denoiser=0

Does this undo whatever DLSS Preset E was doing jn terms of ghosting?

I have both latest DLSS versions, using Preset E (not with DLSS tweaks but with the overriding the preset in engine inj) and in the parte where you ||catch the boat|| the black smearing of your silhouette when moving around the fog is nuts.

Expected right?

Pretty insane loool

[quartz epoch]

I've not made it there yet, but I've not seen anything like that in other foggy areas with ray reconstruction

[hazy thorn]

The fog here is very still

Unlike before

[hazy thorn]

Are you using ultra+ btw?

[quartz epoch]

no

I'm nearly finished with the ||prison||, so I'll let you know if I experience the same thing when I reach that point

[hazy thorn]

Thanks!

[neat kestrel]

@crystal flame the black floor with your mod (at least using your mod and musa's settings) appears to be ~ 0.0001 with your mod. Most OLEDs that's like impossible to see unless really well calibrated, right?

or you let your eyes adjust and are in pitch black

[crystal flame]

think so. that's just the default unreal aces black floor, it can't mathematically be pure 0

[summer gyro]

do oleds just shut off the pixel anyway at that level

[crystal flame]

i'd expect them to tbh

[zealous pebble]

I can confirm that using NVCP to force vsync and turning it off in game, as well as capping in game fps, has led to a relatively decent experience. There's still traversal stutter but I don't feel the game constantly hitching like it does with unlocked fps. Just sucks the input lag feels so bad but oh well.

All the mods I've tried have felt like placebos, including ultra plus. Might just be my rig but I've noticed zero difference.

[neat kestrel]

I'm using vsync off and a nvidia control panel framecap of 60. It's okay but definitely still stutters

[zealous pebble]

Yeah

Capping it around the 0.1% lows helps I think

[wet kelp]

nope

[wet kelp]

both the additional FPS, and the fog disocclusion noise when panning are because they've reduced the volumetric fog (voxel) resolution

there are only 2 commands in those inis that cause the FPS, the rest are already set, don't do anything significant, or aren't commands

[hazy thorn]

When you say “in those inis” do you mean the mods on nexus? Or regarding the commands to activate RR?

[wet kelp]

i think there's a bunch of different inis you can download from that mod, i was just referring to them in general

[hazy thorn]

Decided to try Lilium's film grain + prod80 film grain in conjunction, without going overboard and I honestly LOVE the look it gives to this game, really reminds me of the og. When I turn it off it just gives off this uncanny / clinical look (after your eyes get used to the grain). Definitely gonna keep this.

Only issue I found is that it does indeed raise blacks and overall brightness or it just raises brightness. But looks like it expands both sides of the spectrum and can be seen in the analysis graph.

So my chain rn is, Ersh's renodx > lilium grain > prod80 grain (negative noise option checked, otherwise it's too overpowering / raises brightness too much) > black floor fix. Loving the result rn

might give this grain a try later today instead of prod80
https://www.martysmods.com/devlog-september-2023/

[neat kestrel]

Film grain almost always lowers black levels and raises peak

It doesn't raise black levels

[hazy thorn]

I can guarantee you that on my tv I need to lower black floor fix more so than if without film grain. I can easily see it happening

granted, the analysis tool shows min is still 0 nits but it's not what I'm seeing whatsoever. My guess was that the grain noise pushes those edges lower and also higher, you can see the graph becomes "noisier / puffier" on both spectrums

[neat kestrel]

I don't know i can try it later but I'm 99.9999999% sure it lowers min

Every single game I've ever used grain in has behaved this way

[last fiber]

I need to also lower it on my 3rd gen qd oled pc monitor

the black floor fix alone wasn't enough tbh was still bit grayish

[neat kestrel]

Looks fine on my woled when combined with musa's settings

Black floor is 0.0001

Black looks black

🤷

[hazy thorn]

changed to Crystallis

20000x better

[gray parrot]

Whats 20000x better?

[hazy thorn]

Basically for me RenoDX gets it almost there, but induces an insane amount of banding and weird shifting on very dark areas, like as if the greys look almost negative, hard to explain. Film grain fixes that but then BFF needed to lower it a tad to full black

[hazy thorn]

film grain

[gray parrot]

I know exactly what you are describing, so film grain and BFF are needed on top of that... oof

[gray parrot]

But in game has grain as well and cannot be turned off so I didnt look too much into adding more

[tough scarab]

what is that

[hazy thorn]

liliums grain is enough to mitigate the color banding

it honestly looks good to me, but I'm trying to "dirty it up" a bit, not trying to achieve a clinically perfect image

[tough scarab]

lower dlss resolution that'll dirty it lol

[gray parrot]

I will try it, thanks

[tough scarab]

lilium grain has too much perf cost for a film grain shader

[hazy thorn]

not in that manner loool

not trying to pixelate it

x D

[sterile mauve]

its silent hill 2, isnt it meant to look grimy

[glossy pivot]

It raises min

[tough scarab]

and it increases black level causing flicker

[hazy thorn]

I'm testing it out of the chain right now and only crystallis, because yes, it does

[hazy thorn]

yes, I want grimy / analog type of feel, not pixelated low res tho : p

[neat kestrel]

Whenever I test it, it lowers min......like every single time

At least lilium's grain

perhaps that shader works differently?

[glossy pivot]

I'm talking about liliums

[sterile mauve]

it sure was grainy alright

[neat kestrel]

Then i have no idea

I'm going off the min/max metrics

[tough scarab]

noise has bright pixels that constantly appear

[neat kestrel]

enabling lilium's shader lowers min

i'll retest later

[tough scarab]

the analysis shader just detects the black pixels that it spawns

as 0

[neat kestrel]

oh so it's just the analysis shader being confused?

that's all I was going off of ha

My apologies then

[tough scarab]

when I was playing Hellblade 2 I replaced the game's film grain with the standard reshade film grain, it actually worked fine, Lillium and others cost too many frames

it was also easier to tune as not to raise black level and add vrr flicker

[hazy thorn]

It lowers in the graph because it pushes both edges, but raises gamma or something

[neat kestrel]

Oh. Ok then. Thx for the info

It def raises peak though. I think that one is clear

[gray parrot]

Grain is supposed to darken the image in general

[neat kestrel]

Well which is it? You guys are saying it raises min lol

[tough scarab]

I don't see what's hard to understand, if you introduce film grain noise into a black or near black image, it will raise its brightness

[neat kestrel]

High Dynamic just said it darkens the image in general above

hence question

[tough scarab]

I don't know, maybe it does on average, but blackness gets a raise for obvious reasons

[neat kestrel]

If you don't know for sure then I wouldn't be saying "I don't see what's so hard to understand"

when we're trying to figure it out

😉

[tough scarab]

Except I've been saying that I know for sure that it raises black level and explained why

What it does for the rest I don't really care

black level raise induces vrr flicker

and has to be compensated

[neat kestrel]

#🔆dxvk-pumbo-lilium-hdr message

fyi

[tough scarab]

what about it

[neat kestrel]

Lilium answered the question?

[tough scarab]

yes and it doesn't contradict what I said

[neat kestrel]

mmmm it kinda does? He's saying it's random, up or down. You're saying it always raises it.

[tough scarab]

for the display it doesn't end up as net 0 in the end

otherwise I wouldn't get luminosity increase and vrr flicker

but this only concerns oled

[gray parrot]

It works both ways, in dark image it will raise the brightness, in bright image it will darken it. Its adding additional information onto the native image and has the opposite effect on the env.

In Cyberpunk, Grain added will lower the peak brightness by couple of 100 nits in fact.

Sounds like Lilium backed that up.

[neat kestrel]

I wouldn't know, I used shortfuse's mod which I think kept peak consistent when you use renodx grain. I don't remember fully

[gray parrot]

i was reffering to in game grain of cyberpunk strictly, Idk what renodx grain does there, its different for each game

[glossy pivot]

In 2077 the grain is broken

[summer gyro]

depends on the grain and how its blended. sometimes film grain can appear to lower black level on the waveform but I think that's just the noise making the waveform fuzzy

[glossy pivot]

ie you set the peak brightness slider to 400, grain will cap it to 400

Remove the cap, game displays well over 400

[neat kestrel]

makes sense thx

[neat kestrel]

ha yea i remember that

and the vanilla grain isn't good

[hybrid anvil]

Off The Gridd HDR settings.

Same as SH2

[hazy thorn]

so basically UE defaults

[quartz epoch]

I think SH2 has mid at 15 by default

[hybrid anvil]

I think this game might have changed the default

[gray parrot]

Can you pin this too @crystal flame ?

[neat kestrel]

just realized I have pinning permissions too ha

[summer gyro]

this should be on the nexus page

[neat kestrel]

Maybe add it as an optional file to the black floor fix? If you don't want to make another page

[summer gyro]

Ya

Though extra file = more endorsements

[crystal flame]

its @tired mural 's code tho

[neat kestrel]

@crystal flame what are you using for your SH2 HDR settings?

[crystal flame]

i think i upped the mid luminance and lowered the exposure to 1

but honestly, no idea what you should do there. i wouldnt touch min

[neat kestrel]

do you remember what you put the mid luminance

[crystal flame]

i think i kept fiddling with it

[neat kestrel]

and you kept the black floor fix at defaults?

[crystal flame]

yeah

[neat kestrel]

alrighty

i'll try it thx

and then you set real peak i assume

[crystal flame]

yea

[neat kestrel]

well 15 looks close to sdr 140 levels

which is the default mid

with exposure (which I think is HDR Brightness?) at 1.0

shadows might be slightly brighter than SDR 140, but it looks good. Overall brightness is similar. It could probably be tweaked more

[tired mural]

Just throw it up there.

[pallid lava]

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/bloober-team-says-its-done-with-shitty-games-and-silent-hill-2-remake-wasnt-a-fluke/1100-6527269/

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-good-luck-batman-dark-knight-lucius-fox-gif-12793119

I thought that Cronos trailer looked whatever, but maybe it's just me

[neat kestrel]

@crystal flamebtw in SDR mode your black floor fix shows 0.0000 nits. I did SDR inside HDR via SK

is it only 0.0001 nits in HDR?

i did gamma 2.2 in the game menu, idk if that has anything to do with it

[crystal flame]

i think so?

[gray parrot]

I didnt think SK hdr worked for SH. It keeps reversing back to native hdr10

So double check if its indeed working... otherwise if you dont restart the game, it'll just be super faded and not correct @neat kestrel

[neat kestrel]

It works

[neat kestrel]

I don't have to restart the game. It's working fine.

Like it didn't look wrong or anything. I just used it to get a sdr inside hdr screenshot

I'm talking about this in the other channel but unless i messed something up, ui brightness seems to affect the actual image

Which explains why my results are so weird

[gray parrot]

No most games require a restart to make it work in fact. Not sure what you're wanting to do with screenshots? Just take SK pics it automatically makes both sdr n hdr pics

[neat kestrel]

No you're misunderstanding. I needed to get a sdr pic with the hdr10 graph.

That's all

[gray parrot]

Gotcha

Can someone pm me the moth room code. Ive had it with it

[neat kestrel]

Haha

[zealous pebble]

Looked like a more boring Returnal ripoff...

Without Konami vets guiding them, I have little faith in their ability to deliver

Sh2 is amazing though, and has great level design and atmosphere. Just finished it yesterday. They just need proper direction and they can do it

[crystal flame]

https://www.nexusmods.com/silenthill2/mods/145

version 2 is up, with a fix for another bug we just discovered. the black level truly reaches 0 now

[quartz epoch]

might want to edit the description now

The black floor never reaches pure 0 - that is how Unreal's tonemapper works - it is very close to zero though.

[crystal flame]

good catch yeah

that was false info too

[neat kestrel]

No more ui brightness issues?

[crystal flame]

yeah. it's the bug you guys found

[neat kestrel]

❤️

Will have to redo my testing tn for the 900th time 🙂

[gray parrot]

Should be pro by now

[neat kestrel]

lol maybe

[neat kestrel]

If anyone else wants to give it a go, I encourage it - but with the new black floor fix mod at default settings, I still think the following HDR settings look the closest to SDR 140. Shadows are slightly brighter in the bottom section of the graph, but actually dimmer than SDR 140 in the top section of the graph. This is kind of the best compromise I can get and I think it looks pretty close to SDR 140 nits. https://gofile.io/d/to0TJR

[neat kestrel]

Also peak seems to go above the one set here, but it's rare. A direct flashlight reflection in the mirror will hit likt 750 nits. Direct flashlight reflection off a wall will hit like 680 nits

[summer gyro]

So does changing the UI brightness only affect ui now

[neat kestrel]

yes

also setting peak 100 nits below real peak seems to work well, unless you don't mind some clipping

[summer gyro]

Did you try testing other peaks

Since messing with peak also has other effects on the image

[neat kestrel]

Ah no I didn't get to that

I figured 100 nits peak decrease wouldn't make much of a difference

yea okay you're right, it raises things a bit overall

but that means people will need to use their own settings that fit their own peak

[neat kestrel]

If I use peak 500 instead of 600, I think you just need to increase mid luminance from like 25 to 26, and it's similar, at least visually

https://gofile.io/d/vZQqn7

actually I think this may be one of those games where the higher the peak, the higher the saturation

you can tell in these screenshots

either that or mid luminance messes with it too

[wet kelp]

did you guys get the OLED flashing/pulsing fixed?

[tough scarab]

You can’t fix it in this game

Have to turn off vrr

[wet kelp]

yes someone in Posts said use anything except VRR

[tough scarab]

vrr flicker on oled is inevitable to some degree, but there is nothing like this game

I don't understand how it can be so fundamentally bad

you get a stuttering frametime regardless of what's happening or how you cap the game

like right now I am playing Control maxed out and the framerate is highly variable, constantly pegged on the GPU, and the game has lots of darks and grey tones, I rarely see VRR flicker

[hazy thorn]

Interesting!!! Might not need BFF then? Gonna give this a shot!

[hazy thorn]

This, i very rarely saw flickering in Control as well

All maxed with the RT patch

[crystal flame]

yeah. definitely no further BFF needed, even a tiny one

[hazy thorn]

Im using crystallis film grain which lowers the overall brightness a tad, whats the best way to recover a bit of that? Not sure if mid luminance or hdr brightness

[crystal flame]

no idea, honestly. film grain lowering brightness sounds kinda weird to me though

[gray parrot]

Just increase hdr brightness

There's no wrong answers here... its all 100% personal preference as to what looks good to you in this game. Go nuts

[neat kestrel]

I found that that you should set max luminance to 100 nits less than your intended peak. The game goes over the peak set, mostly from flashlight reflections off glass. It still seems to go over my peak but not as bad

also I think the higher the peak, or the higher the mid luminance, the higher the saturation. But I'm still looking into that one

[wet kelp]

i'm assuming it's an energy pulsing/fluctuation issue with the way OLED works? it seems really weird

apparently Samsung has a tool to reduce it (which costs some FPS)

[tough scarab]

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/learn/research/vrr-flicker

in SH2 it's untenable due to how unstable the frametimes are

I have not experienced it to this level in any other game

[gray parrot]

Man the game is already very far from its true peak brightness

[neat kestrel]

Yea

It's a darkkkkk game

[gray parrot]

Good luck trying to even get 600nits out of it

[neat kestrel]

but it makes it stand out when it does actually hit peak

reflections in water and the flashlight off glass will hit above real peak, even with peak set 100 nits lower

so idk how to fix that really. You'd have to set it way too low

[gray parrot]

Not at default hdr settings

[neat kestrel]

oh, yea, could be my mid luminance

[gray parrot]

Ive never hit 600 nits

And I always set to 800 peak

[neat kestrel]

try the flashlight reflected off like a bathroom mirror

[gray parrot]

Must be th4 extra juice you guys are giving it

[gray parrot]

Okay

[neat kestrel]

I also changed my settings. I'm not using Musa's settings anymore. I made my own

there's no way to get the tonemapper to match sdr lol

at least not at like 140 sdr

[velvet gazelle]

It happens on all display types. I think it's just more noticeable on OLED

[velvet gazelle]

GPU frame drops normally appear as smooth slopes on a frame time graph. So you won't notice flicker from it.

[wet kelp]

that makes sense. in U+ 2.0.1 i lowered the volumetric fog Z resolution (because it's never more than ~50m depth from you) which massively speeds up FPS and reduces drops (15-20% improvement). this seems to have stabilized frame times a lot

[tough scarab]

woke up in Silent Hill

[pallid lava]

@crystal flame do you know if there's any way to move bloom after upscaling with dlss? Can this be done via renodx? I remember shortfuse did that for cp2077

https://streamable.com/a6iwp6

I'm asking since it causes pretty nasty artifacts in this game

[tough scarab]

https://www.nexusmods.com/silenthill2/mods/183?tab=description

can anyone understand wtf this does

utterly incoherent instructions and explanation

[quartz epoch]

not seeing patch notes anywhere yet

[hazy thorn]

oh, just droipped?

[quartz epoch]

they've added an in-game toggle for FSR frame generation and implemented DLSS frame generation and there's a new scene occlusion setting in the advanced graphics tab that wasn't there previously

that's what I've noticed at a glance

[hazy thorn]

DLSS FG?!?

: o

[quartz epoch]

oh, they changed the default HDR values

these are the new defaults

[tough scarab]

can't see shit

[hazy thorn]

bruh

ffs

great, just ruined my setup now lmao. Unless those are just new defaults but nothing changed under the hood

[quartz epoch]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2124490/view/4538031421716523316?l=english

[hazy thorn]

yeah

hdr settings literally changed for me as well

except for max lum

cant test it now, hopefully doesnt screw up Ersh's work lol

FG is working perfectly so far

DLSS also updated to 3.7.00

not sure what preset is being used as I'm using RR anyway

There's now a shader compile step on launch

but seems to do it every single time you launch the game o_O

[hybrid anvil]

That's a massive change. Can't.
Why is bloom before upscaling anyway?

Btw. Ersh HDR fix also include a patch for DLSS frame generation being fucked up in HDR (the usual fix we have).

It's highly likely that it's broken without it.

Could somebody test?

[pallid lava]

Dunno, ask Epic I guess
NV says that postfx should be done after upscaling
This is only an issue with dlss afiak

[hazy thorn]

I booted the game and saw nothing wrong. But only spent 2 mins on it

With Ersh’s addon running ofc

[hybrid anvil]

yeah, try without if u can pls

[hazy thorn]

At work, will only be able to later on

In the meantime, if someone can figure out if the new HDR defaults + Ersh addon js still accurate would be appreciated!

[hybrid anvil]

probably not, but you can always change it.

[crystal flame]

i didn't really tweak it for any settings

so it should still be fine

its just the ratio between shadow color offset and shadow contrast offset

yep dlss framegen is broken in hdr without the shader replacement

future predicted

[hazy thorn]

Ok good to know but a bit pissed off they overrode the previous settings I had (which were ofc defaults)

People in the ultra+ discord claiming HAGS off boosts double the fps

More than 3 ppl with screenshots oO

[neat kestrel]

Just realized there's a patch?

Did they change anything with HDR?

Someone said they did?

[crystal flame]

bro scroll up 😛

[neat kestrel]

My fault. I was on mobile

And trying to catch up with like 3 Silent Hill channels, each with like 900 new messages since last night

looks like they just changed default HDR settings

[gray parrot]

My game runs great already, dont think I even need the latest patch

never use FG in any game anyways, cant compromise quality, im already solid at 55-60FPS on Quality

[neat kestrel]

yea i'm not gonna use FG

[gray parrot]

someone can test HDR but most likely they did not make it better

[crystal flame]

they just changed the settings. they didnt modify the hdr

the new settings are better probably, though

[gray parrot]

better?

[crystal flame]

its going into the direction musa did with his tweaks, and i guess so did i

[crystal flame]

the defaults were way too dark in the prison

[gray parrot]

ah gotcha

Do you think they actually fixed HDR in that regard or just HDR settings

that place might still be too dark, im not there yet

[neat kestrel]

yea but how does the change in min luminance mix with your black fix mod