✅RenoDX: Final Fantasy XIV

[winged nexus]

what gpu

[tawdry maple]

i don’t see any reason to believe this, no

[dreamy kettle]

3080 10gb

[winged nexus]

what resolution

[dreamy kettle]

1440p

[winged nexus]

damn

it can't hold 60 with dlss performance?

or rather dlss drs

[dreamy kettle]

I mean other than console versions not having a 60fps option?

[winged nexus]

it has a 60fps option

it just runs like ass

[dreamy kettle]

yeah and it doesn't do 60 lol

[tawdry maple]

OH you’re talking about xvi

[dreamy kettle]

😄

I don't remember if I tried transformer dlss at performance

when it came out with old dlss I didn't really entertain the idea of performance mode at 1440p

[winged nexus]

yea

rn I just use dlss drs

with the low bounds being dlss balanced

[dreamy kettle]

I just gave up and pretend the game doesn't exist again, like when it was console only. will play it when I get an upgrade

[winged nexus]

output being 4k

it runs fine on my gpu

[tawdry maple]

xvi is made with dynamic resolution scaling in mind for sure

[winged nexus]

aside from some cutscenes dropping single frames occasionally

[ivory depot]

FFXVI on PS5 performance mode like cuts the resolution in half/quarter in battle to get 60 FPS. It is HARD.

[winged nexus]

but that could be drs lagging behind maybe

[dreamy kettle]

and tbf my target is at least 90+, close to 120fps... I'm happy to wait to experience a game like this the way I want it :D

[winged nexus]

damn

[tawdry maple]

xvi performance mode on consoles looks comical

[winged nexus]

mine was 60fps

I tried targetting 120fps with frame gen at 3440x1440p

but it just drops too many frames in cutscenes

[dreamy kettle]

and not to be off topic too much... but I'd take ffxvi graphics and performance every time versus something like clair obscur

that game looks so ASS

[winged nexus]

yea ff16 looks clean

[dreamy kettle]

clean af

[winged nexus]

like clair obscur with ultra+, renodx and whatnot looks striking, but even then its not stable

[tawdry maple]

i’d agree that clair obscur suffers from graphical artifacts but it does not look ass

[winged nexus]

even cnn dlss ff16 looks pretty damn clean

[dreamy kettle]

it tries really hard to not look like ass, fails in my eyes

[ivory depot]

There are "fanatic" people online who would rip apart FFXVI for using temporal elements.

[winged nexus]

I mean I guess another thing it falls short versus 16 is character models

they don't really look as good especially in cutscenes

animations and everything

[tawdry maple]

eh, xvi has a lot of godawful looking cutscenes too

more frequent the longer the game goes on too

[winged nexus]

really? all of the "real" cutscenes looked pretty good so far

[ocean zealot]

the basic dialogue camera cuts look meh because it isnt using the full shadowing

the cinematic cutscenes use it fully

[winged nexus]

yea I'm talking about cinematic cutscenes

for the non-cinematic cutscnes

maybe clair is better now that you mention it

[tawdry maple]

yeah okay if you ignore the bad looking cutscenes then i guess all cutscenes look good lol

[ocean zealot]

imagine being on a conslow or playing E33 without modding it to remove the forced sharpening or U+

[tawdry maple]

the forced sharpening is so godawful

[winged nexus]

fyi the console version doesn't have sharpening

[ocean zealot]

The cinematic cutscene shadows cost 2.5-3ms more

hence why cutscenes go rip unless you have a 4090-5090

[winged nexus]

tbh I thought a 4070 could handle it with a 1440p output

[ocean zealot]

The amount of times I've seen this in 2077 even with PT

[ivory depot]

Are these results of modding the shadow quality?

[ocean zealot]

This is SE official paper

http://www.jp.square-enix.com/tech/library/pdf/2023_FFXVIShadowTechPaper.pdf

[tawdry maple]

lol what

that is absurd

[ocean zealot]

PCchads got to suffer

I NEED~~ FF17~~ The Final Fantasy

Who is going to be director?

Who is the composer?

[uncut olive]

We've seen RT updates to older games that aren't using DX12.

Granted they all run like poop, more or less. But still...

[ocean zealot]

Well... Yes you can use a proxy like what Crysis remaster uses

But as you mentioned perf is

[hollow thorn]

NGL I think the shadows of ff14 are kinda bad

In ff16??

I play at 1440p and I hold a stable 60 on my 2080ti

With dlss Quality

"graphical fidelity" option set to medium, rest to max as recommended by digital foundry

[hollow thorn]

Y'know... I don't get this as a selling point for PT LMAO

Floating shadows are 100% fixable without raytracing, and in fact that was literally the norm

Not just screen space contact shadows, but also giving the shadowmap an offset as necessary, plus cascading shadow maps...

And for even more fun, rasterized variable penumbra is also possible

im not sure how other games ive played do it, but there is this recent article outlining an implementation https://lukaskalbertodt.github.io/2023/11/18/tiled-soft-shadow-volumes.html

looks so damn clean

i feel the same way about raytracing that i do about quantum computing, in most respects: while raytracing might be able to do something that, at the time, raster can't... eventually raster will catch up and even surpass it in performance. The only real exception i can think of is realtime world-space reflections (which are fucking beautiful when done properly.. like, rough, total internal, translucent reflections, no artificially reflective surfaces, etc)

GTAO is a great example of what I mean. It gets so, so damn close to the results of RTAO

while running significantly better

[ocean zealot]

The above isn't RT

It just shows how to solve the problem in raster

I literally see this in 2077 with PT shadows

Which is hilarious

[hollow thorn]

ah, i thought those were showcasing like "benefits of PT"

[hollow thorn]

oh, floating shadows?

[ocean zealot]

Yes

[hollow thorn]

thats amusing

wonder how that even happens

BVH is probably fucked or something, idk

[ocean zealot]

Don't even ask

There's a trillion things wrong with PT

In 2077

It's why Sosuine has released 100 different mods

Arm shadow bug

Character model technically doesn't have a head model in 1st person

Hence why there's no player reflections

[hollow thorn]

ugh...

yknow, my favourite thing about PT is its name.

Path-tracing is just a performance saving technique for ray-tracing

like, by definition

so it's really funny that it's being marketted as a different thing, when it's not.. like, even before these "PT modes", the raytracing that was being done was pathtraced as well

because pathtracing is just the best way to do that

or, more specifically, path tracing is a rendering algorithm for ray tracing

"The rendering equation and its use in computer graphics was presented by James Kajiya in 1986.[1] Path tracing was introduced then as an algorithm to find a numerical solution to the integral of the rendering equation. A decade later, Lafortune suggested many refinements, including bidirectional path tracing." - Wikipedia

so yeah... really goofy that it's being marketed as different than rt

[ocean zealot]

Marketing and semantics of it is

Ass

[hollow thorn]

i absolutely agree

[ocean zealot]

Marty was here

[hollow thorn]

lmao

[ocean zealot]

S couple days ago

And he defended his position on his shaders

That they're using raytracing

[hollow thorn]

idk much about marty or his shaders

[ocean zealot]

But not worldspace

[hollow thorn]

well yeah... that's... literally how screen space reflections are done for example

like, ever since SSR was made a thing, it's just screen space raytracing

were people saying his shaders werent raytracing??

like, saying his SSRTGI stuff isnt rt?

[ocean zealot]

Well... His RTGi shader for instance. He uses ReSTIR for it but of course it isn't worldspace due to being a generic Reshade solution.

People will say that it isn't raytracing because what we now mean by 'raytracing' is worldspace only

Let me pull up the messages

The semantics is that raytracing doesn't mens just worldspace

[hollow thorn]

stupid fucking nvidia marketing absolutely destroying hard set terminology

[hollow thorn]

yeah, i thought that was common knowledge lmao

[ocean zealot]

But Nvidia engineers changed it with the introduction of RTX to only include worldspace raytracing

[hollow thorn]

(lets not mention that RTX mixes screenspace raytracing with worldspace)

[ocean zealot]

To the people coding and GPing yes, to players no

[hollow thorn]

iirc rtx reflections for example use screenspace, but rather than stretching/blurring the reflections to fill in portions that the screenspace can't see properly, they cut it off and fill in with lower quality worldspace

saves performance but keeps great, clear reflections where they matter most

[ocean zealot]

#🧩renodx-dev message

[hollow thorn]

oh, is 2077 PT mode full raytracing? like, completely replace raster rendering to the screen with raytracing+denoiser?

[ocean zealot]

Yesnt

Primary lighting is still raster

Reflections still have a SSR layer that is disabled by default

But in pure PT mode you'll be missing a ton of reflections

[hollow thorn]

thats lame

and weird

[ocean zealot]

(BVH optimisation 🤷‍♂️ )

[hollow thorn]

oml

[ocean zealot]

In general the games PT is weird

For instance some meshes don't cast shadows at all

Sosuine has fixed it decently enough via his mods

But a mesh to have ticked to allow shadow casting for it to cast said shadows in PT

[hollow thorn]

what even lmao

[ocean zealot]

So for instance meshes that you can interact with

Explosives

Fire barrels

Bins

Didn't cast shadows in vanilla PT

Again the player model doesn't have a head mesh in 1st person

Which is why the game doesn't allow player reflections

And why player shadows lacked both the players head and hair

Modders have tried to force the game to use the 3rd person model indtead

But then the camera ends up inside of the player head

And there no easy way to offset/move the camera

Funniest thing

Dying Light the Beast (also from a polish studio using their own proprietary engine) has the exact same arm shadow bug as 2077

In RT/PT mode

Apologies for turning FF14 Reno into a tech discussion basket weaving forum

All in all, I am going to chalk up 2077's jankery to being

1. First open world game of this scale to have a PT mode

2. RedEngine4 was/is already on the brink of collapse. The fact that CDPR / Nvidia managed to get it working at all without instantly crashing the game is an achievement

3. Not being built from the ground up with PT in mind. This game was meant to run on a PS4

I am more interested now in seeing W4 or GTA6 ship with PT

[uncut olive]

I hope that one day, he can incorporate native HDR in his shaders.

[hollow thorn]

square please, use SSR more :(

they have the pbr materials :( imagine if they lowered the threshhold limiting what surfaces get SSR, and allowing for rough reflections

huh... strange..

the screenshot looks better than it does ingame?

Like, a lot better

a lot brighter

and it look SUPER good on my phone lol

[winged nexus]

solution: sunshine/moonlight stream to phone

[hollow thorn]

hell yeah

6.3 inch screen gaming

actually big brain

id actually love to get a nice oled monitor, esp the ones that are going around $500 or below now. Unfortunately, for that price, i'd rather upgrade my gpu XD

[hollow thorn]

(im positive those cheaper oled monitors probably have terrible ABL or something lol)

[tawdry maple]

if you go for the hdr 400 mode, they're fine

the 1000 mode does

ffxiv with reno looks nice on the deck oled too

[last bloom]

oled monitors have terrible ABL regardless of price

I pretty much only use my PG27UCDM in tb400 mode because the ABL gets so aggressive in the other modes

or maybe it's an asus thing, but it wasn't much better on my xg27aqdmg either

[fossil anchor]

The new TB500 mode monitors are pretty good. Results in actual peak brightness of 554 without noticeable ABL

[last bloom]

Oh, that's promising!

[ocean zealot]

yep

waiting for a tandem 5k2k 21:9 monitor with TB500

hopefully next year

[fossil anchor]

Doesn't sound like much but feels like quite the difference

[hollow thorn]

400 nits seems so dim compared to what my display pumps out in sdr (over 600 nits)

[pastel magnet]

600 nits in SDR is respectfully speaking, shit though.

like yeah it is brighter but you are stretching out the image a lot to get to that brightness.

[ivory depot]

And I see such luminance in SDR as unergonomic even. Imagine writing a document while 500+ nits blast your face from the "paper white" of the app.

[hollow thorn]

Hmm.. to me it's fine. Perhaps that's, in part, due to both the lighting conditions of my room, and the VA panel allowing for much greater contrast? On the other hand, I haven't actually measured the nits of my monitor in sdr mode at max brightness, so I'm only getting the 600nits brightness in sdr from a review online. I'm not sure how to measure the nits of my monitor

[uncut olive]

Windows HDR Calibrator tool.

You manually set the nits for fullscreen darkness, 10% brightness, and fullscreen brightness respectively.

If the visual guide matches up to wherever the sliders for those settings are set, that's your monitor's capable amount of brightness.

Reviews should never be a hard & fast reference, because depending on the screen type, there can be manufacturing variance & QA control quirks, especially if you use a monitor with a Samsung panel.

And the review might be done with a store-bought model, or one sourced by the manufacturer themselves specifically for that review. Which would obviously bring questions about the legitimacy of that review.

[radiant nova]

i just got my first HDR (OLED) monitor and decided to try the RenoDX thing for FFXIV, and while it makes highlights look great, dark things feel like they lose a ton of detail, almost like things are clipping to black. I just did Qarn Hard, and inside the tunnels my character almost looked like just a black silhouette with no detail

i am not sure if i've got some settings wrong, or if my own preferences are different or something. i did try to run through the windows hdr calibration tool, but didn't notice too much of a change with that

[ocean zealot]

DICE used on here lowers the black levels because the whole game has a constant raised grey haze in SDR

You can increase shadows to 55 if you feel there's too much black crush

Qarn Hard looks fine to me with vanilla settings

Pics?

And do note I am using the AW32 which has built in crushed blacks

[radiant nova]

hmm, played a bit on sdr, and now that i'm back again it feels…better? it might just be that i have to get used to actual black blacks with the oled

also it's the evening now so my ambient light levels are way down too

[hollow thorn]

Does that work for SDR though?

[uncut olive]

Yes. Because after you calibrate the monitor, you go into Windows display settings and adjust SDR brightness separately. Moreover, you can go look up what your paper white should be set to according to your max brightness, and input that into RDX, as that will control how bright your SDR colors will be.

[hollow thorn]

I meant does it work to get SDR nits with HDR turned off

Because my monitor tops out at 1156 nits both full screen and 10% window, and bottoms out the slider for blacks.. but that's HDR, and having HDR turned off (so sdr mode) simply doesn't get anywhere near that bright - and I'm not sure how to measure just how bright my SDR actually is

[uncut olive]

Yes. It has an SDR in the tool.

[hollow thorn]

In the HDR calibration tool?

[uncut olive]

Yes.

[hollow thorn]

uhh

no it doesnt?

[uncut olive]

Oh, with HDR off. No, you have to turn HDR on to use the tool. But there's an SDR slider in the tool that controls how SDR content looks while in HDR.

[hollow thorn]

that's.. not at all what im talking about

[hollow thorn]

im talking about the brightness of the monitor in sdr... that's what ive been clarifying this whole time lol

like, i've said it specifically multiple times "Sdr brightness" "nits in sdr" "brightness with hdr off" etc

XD

[uncut olive]

Yes, that's what the tool also does, but it does so with the assumption that you're keeping it on because you can still watch or play SDR content while in HDR mode. So, there's no real point in having it off when it can determine your SDR brightness anyways.

[hollow thorn]

sure... assuming hdr actually looks good on your display

my monitor's hdr, despite having a miniled backlight, good peak brightness, 336 dimming zones, etc... the color reproduction in hdr is awful

genuinely terrible

and it's sorta afraid to allow small bright areas to be bright - like, overaggressive blooming avoidance - so any bright thing that's smaller than like... 5% window appears muted af

AOC Q27G3XMN - several people in this server have/had the monitor and can corroborate my accounts lol

its hdr tonemapping is very bad

[uncut olive]

Is there a auto dimming setting available in your monitor's system menu?

[hollow thorn]

adjusting the levels of the local dimming? yeah, but all 3 options have that same issue

they all 3 have very aggressive blooming avoidance

like, the monitor goes out of its way to ensure little to no blooming... even at the cost of the image

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/aoc/q27g3xmn
https://tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/aoc-q27g3xmn

"The EOTF struggles to track the PQ EOTF curve well, as all scenes are darker than intended" this is something that bothers me a lot in practice with hdr on this display. HDR is darker than expected

i know there's supposed to be some darkening, but in person it's an almost problematic reduction in average brightness

[uncut olive]

Reviews aren't the end-all be-all, but... it seems to be rated pretty well.

[hollow thorn]

yeah.. but ask anyone here in the server and they'll agree this display has issues

[uncut olive]

So, it has tonemapper issues, while being largely capable of being a good monitor outside of that.

[hollow thorn]

yeah, that's what most people here agree with as well

i lack the ability or funds to "fix" it though

yknow, colorimeter and such to make a 3d lut or something to fix the tonemapping

[uncut olive]

Oof.

[hollow thorn]

colors look hella wrong in hdr, yeah

sdr actually, objectively, looks better

its sdr srgb emulation is great

[uncut olive]

Seems to be a correlation between extremely high DCI-P3 coverage & Rec.2020 coverage.

The best reviewed monitors I've seen cover over 100% of DCI-P3, while averaging over 85% of Rec.2020.

[hollow thorn]

also the hdr color volume

[uncut olive]

If it has issues covering much of Rec. 2020, which is the HDR10 color space & what most content for HDR will be produced in, then yeah, HDR won't look as good as other monitors.

[hollow thorn]

anyways... my monitor's hdr being capable of being good, but being bad without calibration, is why i stick to sdr

and thankfully, the srgb emulation is fantastic and still allows me to adjust the brightness of the display

[uncut olive]

Save up for a nice lil birthday or Christmas gift for yourself.

[ocean zealot]

State sanctioned OLEDs for all

[hollow thorn]

had i the money to afford a better monitor, i'd spend it on a pc upgrade. my 2080ti isn't having the best of times with some newer games

[ocean zealot]

LCD is a plague

[hollow thorn]

and that's a big if... i had $70 in my bank account earlier today and had to spend all of it on getting my id renewed :3

and the next "paycheck" i get is a whopping $56

so, im lucky enough to have this display

[uncut olive]

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/best/by-usage/hdr-gaming

That's way too much ASUS, tbh.

[hollow thorn]

hey look im on this picture

[uncut olive]

PSA: Don't buy ASUS stuff, their warranty & RMA process is garbage.

[hollow thorn]

i know

furthermore, i purchased this display in late march of this year... so replacing it so soon is out of the question

i definitely won't be getting a new display for a few years at the least

just gotta make what i have work

[deft tangle]

Maybe you could Go to a photo shop near your place and rent a colorimeter for a few hours. Thats what i did.

[hollow thorn]

yeh, my only options are find a way to callibrate my display's hdr somehow, or stick to sdr

im not so sure color callibration will do much though, given that even with correct colors, the EOTF tracking is still poor

[uncut olive]

If my school funding comes in, I might spend a part of it on a OLED ultrawide.

2000 nits HDR is cool, but having infinite contrast is much cooler.

That, and a new one would have a warranty, versus buying used.

[deft tangle]

Does it have some kind of dark enhancement Feature. That would help lifting it a little if its implemented Well.

[hollow thorn]

not in hdr mode, no

hdr locks out almost all settings

[deft tangle]

I was so torn between 4k or Ultrawide and decided on 4k after weeks of being unable to choose

[hollow thorn]

can only change local dimming, vrr, and... thats it

so actually it locks out ALL calibration related settings

the onyl way to calibrate would be through icc profile

[deft tangle]

Ah okay, thats rough. My Mini LED one fortunately allows it. I never understand locking out that many settings.

[hollow thorn]

me either

its so arbitrayr

and no usb port anywhere on the display

so if there was a new/modded firmware, i couldn't even install it

[deft tangle]

That sucks. But hey you Sound Happy with SDR at least.

[hollow thorn]

its pretty great honestly

[brave zenith]

✅RenoDX: Final Fantasy XIV

[novel kelp]

What is with the green check?

[flat laurel]

If the mod is officially released

WIP mods don’t get it

[tardy osprey]

released and finished.

[flat laurel]

Mods are never finished

Have to replace dice with piecewise Reinhard in a bunch of games

[novel kelp]

Hmmm... interesting.
Does the status change when the mod breaks from a game update?

[brave zenith]

if someone reports that a mod is broken, then yes

[grand robin]

i've seen a few people say that they got special k working with renodx in this game... can anyone vouch for that still being true?
no matter what i do the game immediately crashes before SK even injects (both SK and reno work if installed on their own)
been troubleshooting for like a week so at this point i'm out of ideas

[green zodiac]

Haven't used it for a while, but yeah, was loading reshade through SK as a plugin with almost no issues that i can remember. REST was not working though.

Stopped using SK since i had some weird sound and subsequent crash issues sometimes.

[grand robin]

hmmmm

[grand robin]

FINALLY figured it out, the solution was simply to do reshade standalone and give SK a 5 second delay
edit: never mind, this works for loading the game but after the first two launches going fine reshade now gets stuck in a loop of trying to load effects and massively lags the game...

[halcyon sundial]

Hi, never used reshade in ff14, so i was wondering, reno hdr works with rest and gposingway? cause i think i might opt to use the keepuifix, as rest seems to have problems. also i dont want to use others shaders, cause i already have DLAA mod from sildur. just want hdr on ff14 really, nothing else

[ocean zealot]

It works with rest

I and a few others use both together

Though if you're not planning on using shaders why do you need it?

[halcyon sundial]

i think it avoid ui being affected by reshade. Since reno hdr use shaders, i guess i need it?

[ocean zealot]

You misunderstood

[halcyon sundial]

also, reno hdr is enough heavy, at least on other games, and i read many effects are not compatible with hdr

[ocean zealot]

Reno handles everything at an in engine level

By replacing / rewriting shader code

You don't need anything else

Reno gives you control over UI

[halcyon sundial]

so i dont need rest r anything, if i just use renohdr?

[ocean zealot]

Brightness and all

You just need Reshade and the FF14 Reno add-on

[halcyon sundial]

Ah ok cool, i still need to set the depthbuffer on global, as per ff14 guide?

since dawntrail it is reversed

[ocean zealot]

Nope

Again that's only if you use Reshade shaders

[halcyon sundial]

Oh i see, so it's just i i actually use shaders presets that i need that stuff

@ocean zealot Now i get it, thank you ❤️

[ocean zealot]

Reno uses reshade

But it isn't a Reshade shader

It is its own thing

Again, deep changes to in-game code

[halcyon sundial]

yeah i thought it would still be affected, but now it's clear t doesnt

[ocean zealot]

No worries, I didn't fully understand it at first either

[halcyon sundial]

Sorry for the bother, i just used renohdr on exp33, and there was pretty easy, also no special things like ff14 XD

also i get it, anyway, there are like no shaders that is compatible with hdr anyway right?

sort of

[ocean zealot]

There are

Just most do not support HDR output

They might do internal HDR rendering

But output will be clamped

Either

1. Your image will get clamped back down to SDR

2. There will be artefacts or other visuals bugs when you try to use a shader

99% of FF14 based Reshade presets will be incompatible with Reno

You might get lucky and have a preset which happens to use shaders that support HDR

[halcyon sundial]

@ocean zealot i get an error, and game doesnt start

i use RTSS as framerate limiter

but i followed the guide, installed reshade with addon and moved the reno file inside ff14 directory, but launching from xivlauncher gives me this error

i need to launch it normally 1st, before trying to launch with xivlauncher? Nope, doesnt start at all

[ocean zealot]

Are you using the GitHub or nexus version?

Are you using Reshade 6.5.1?

[halcyon sundial]

ReShade_Setup_6.5.1_Addon.exe

[halcyon sundial]

i thnk nexus version of reno hdr

RenoDX for FFXIV-2326-1-0-2-1756678464

als RTSS off, just doesnt start at all

i use sildur mods optiscaler

should i try changing dxgi to D3d11?

aye changing dxgi to D3d11 worked

[ivory depot]

I use RenoDX with RTSS and it works fine on my side as dxgi.dll. 🤷‍♂️
Some RenoDX modders recommend deactivating other ReShade addons like Generic Depth and Effect Runtime Sync to recover some performance. No Idea how much that would be though.

[uncut meteor]

do i need to change settings other than paperwhite and peak for true black 400? i'm setting game brightness/ paper white to about 109 for ~450 peak

it's so dark though compared to sdr which is probably too bright
I think i prefer game brightness/ ui brightness at about 160

[uncut meteor]

i get a crash if i open some dalamud plugins. only seems to happen if multi monitor mode is enabled though.

i'll need to disable multi monitor mode and delete dalamudui.ini to reset window positions onto main monitor

[fossil anchor]

This formula is not to be taken too literally, it is completely fine to adjust game and ui brightness to your preference and viewing conditions

[tawdry maple]

it only means the difference between game and peak brightness won't be as striking in your case, but that's fine

quite the opposite problem might happen with an LG G5, where based on the formula, game brightness would need to be hella bright because of its 2500 nits peak

so yeah use what looks best to you

[winged nexus]

is there anything wrong with using 203 on a bright display

wait nvm

[ivory depot]

Dunno if known or priority in fixing but the latest RenoDX version immediately crashes the game when resizing the window in any way or changing some graphics settings which cause the game to rebuild the frame buffer (e.g. SSAO setting).

[mild rover]

Trying to get this up and running on Linux and it's 100% blown out even with HDR support on. I am fairly certain this isn't a Linux thing because I recall it happening to me once on Windows when I set it up, but I can't for the life of me figure out what I did to fix it now. Anyone had this issue and come across a solution?

[ivory depot]

RenoDX didn't work correctly with ReShade 5.5+ but got fixed. Then I remember DXVK tends to not properly handle HDR for SDR games and mangles colours when "dxvk.allowFse = True" is missing for me.

[tawdry maple]

#1278435249025581066 message
there's also this if you're using xivlauncher

[mild rover]

Doesn't seem to like this one, just throws this every time I put it in the launch arguments.

[indigo peak]

did you find a solution? I am pretty much in exactly the same situation currently

[novel cradle]

@mild rover @indigo peak on CachyOS (Arch) I have the following working:

Using XIVLauncher-RB from the AUR, i set the following:
Game arguments: PROTON_ENABLE_HDR=1 ENABLE_HDR_WSI=1
Wine: Proton Version proton-cachyos; Enable Wayland Driver checked
DXVK: Latest stable

I also installed vk-hdr-layer-kwin6-git from the AUR, as I think it's still needed on nvidia GPUs in all cases
I installed reshade to my install using https://github.com/kevinlekiller/reshade-steam-proton

I originally also had the insane blowout before fixing it with those args (ReShade 6.6.2)

[indigo peak]

got it running, thank you very much @novel cradle

[mild rover]

Thanks, on an arch distro too. I'll try it later.

[pastel magnet]

Sorry i forgot to reply.

I know this mod works on Linux because I played the game a lot on the Steam Deck OLED with the mod

I can't really help you with running the game in HDR on desktop Linux though

I'd imagine most things still apply, such as: can't run the game in exclusive full screen or else it crashes on start up, if using XIVLauncher-RB, using Proton is highly recommended, or alternatively, set the launch arguments to DXVK_CONFIG="dxgi.deferSurfaceCreation = false" %command% because XIVLauncher-RB STILL FORCES dxgi.deferSurfaceCreation = True for no reason despite me complaining that it breaks this mod and it fixes nothing.

oh wait shit i think they got rid of deferSurfaceCreation

finally

i missed that

[tawdry maple]

oh, they did? that's great, that should make xivlauncher + reno plug and play on the deck then

[uncut olive]

It still surprises me that CS3 hasn't officially supported XIV on Deck beyond generic Steam support.

Like, we have a mobile version of the game before that lmao.

[tawdry maple]

what do you mean by 'generic Steam support'? The game runs on the Deck, what else would they do?

[steel owl]

And CS3 isn't making the mobile version of the game at all beyond supervision and delivering assets to the mobile dev.

[uncut olive]

Give official support for the device, so that it can run without Proton.

I... figured that was self-explanatory.

[tawdry maple]

ah, you mean a native Linux build

wasn't self explanatory from the way you phrased it, sorry

[ocean zealot]

FFisters

When you finally finish Endwalker and understand the quality of CINEMA on display

Enhanced thanks to Reno Dee Eggs

Soken does it again

So I guess I just seal the game now and avoid Dawnfail?

[uncut olive]

No, you must witness the Dawnfall.

[tawdry maple]

Please return to Wuk Lamat

[ocean zealot]

**FOR OUR DREEEAAMMS OF HOOOOOMMME

FOR THE LIIIVVVESSS WE'RE OWWWWED

FOR THE INNNNEER VOICE OF THE DARRRKKKKEST ONE**

[fossil crypt]

||zenos|| duel was so peak

[ocean zealot]

"That, I can't deny"

WOL gives a smirk

"The conflagration of our clash will scorch even the stars!"

https://tenor.com/view/ohno-smh-wrong-no-gif-1591070933604987795

Having Soken include the lemotif of every other expansion in the final boss fights

**STORM OF BLOOOOD

BORN FROM BLOOOODD

OF OUUUURRR FALLLEN BROOOOTHERS **

Holy shit was Endwalker something

[fossil anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/ffxiv-masayoshi-soken-soken-my-beloved-final-fantasy-xiv-gif-5196580131040267931

[uncut tundra]

Does anyone have good looking Reno settings? defaults look a bit too dark and crushed

[tawdry maple]

i moved most of the sliders that are at 55 by default back to 50 and that looks good to me tbh

[fossil anchor]

I found that most things in this game look better when stuff clips without a tonemap

[uncut olive]

It certainly was. It's pretty much mostly downhill from there, starting with the 6.X patches. I think a lot of people would look at EW better, if it wasn't for the patches.

[uncut olive]

You'll probably want to adjust the settings that affect your peak brightness, and overall game & UI brightness. Your peak brightness should match the max nits value that your monitor is rated for; game brightness & UI brightness will be a personal preference, but I like to match it with the generally recommended paperwhite setting according to the max brightness of your monitor & go from there. Not all games will necessarily look better in that paperwhite setting, so ymmv.

You should also make use of the Lilium shader that adjusts black levels that can be installed with ReShade (I can't remember if the XIV mod for RDX comes with black level settings, but none of the RDX mods for other games I play have it). If you don't see it in your shader effect list, reinstall ReShade w/ Add-On support & just download all the available effects.

https://youtu.be/uzmhGMhpU7I

[uncut tundra]

It does have a black floor setting afaik

[tawdry maple]

it does come with it

[hollow cloud]

Set black level to 0, the game intentionally has black level raise in some areas. The default settings for Reno will crush some details. There is another setting you can use to raise near black levels, I'll get in-game and find it for you.

try setting shadow between 56 and 60, it greatly raises the details in near black so you no longer feel like you're crushing. This setting imo is more dependent on your display.

along with setting black foor offset to 0

[tawdry maple]

oh i wanted to mention, this actually worked for me on cachyos! needed all the steps: xivlauncher-rb, use proton-cachyos, wayland driver, launch arguments, and the vk-hdr-layer-kwin6-git package

unfortunately this caused huge stutters when using the hardware cursor and VRR

i'm back on windows

[uncut tundra]

Thanks! Will try this

[signal moat]

Google Chrome team give up last month after the PDF forum told them that they are moving with JXL and suck it, so better to get JXL going instead, since even windows are now using it, mac and ios have full support, Linux duh, android.... it's Google...

[trim cargo]

Updated my Reshade and for some reason Dalamud is now rendered after Reshade, meaning it looks washed out with HDR. Anyone knows if it can be fixed?

[trim cargo]

Loading Reshade through Optiscaler fixed it lol, probably why it was working fine before. Guess it loads Reshade later or something.

Wanted to ditch Optiscaler, but this game still doesn't have any DLSS resolution settings

[last bloom]

I've been using dlsstweaks to change dlss resolution

[signal moat]

i do it over special K, has all the features you asked xD

[trim cargo]

Nah, FFXIV and SK don't play well together, especially with Reno and Delamud.

[signal moat]

it was a pain in the ass to setup to load correctly, i give you that , but i'm too lazy to convert my screenshots from png hdr to jxl and specialk does export to jxl directly, if only windows/reshade did too...

[ivory depot]

Windows does support jxr with Win + Alt + Print.

[signal moat]

jxr is a dead format, only used in windows, jxl is also supported natively in windows, and mac, and ios, and linux, not android except samsung, and soon chrome, and now is the pdf backend, microsoft could swap jxr for jxl in gamebar and nvidia overlay will get the update too, once chrome gets the code steam will also support it btw

[nocturne vale]

mod seems severely broken in the new version? (just like optiscaler lmao)

[keen cliff]

Severely broken in what way? Seems fine for me

[nocturne vale]

funny thing actually

turns out my config derped out somehow and got stuck on dlss when I have an amd card (after the patch)

deleted the cfg and it works now

[tawdry maple]

not directly reno related but does the new DLSS preset M look like dogwater for anyone else or

there's this grain and shimmering everywhere that preset K did not have

it fixes the artifacts on the login screen and such, at least

it also demolishes performance on my 4090, going from locked 138 with preset K in the crystarium to like 100-110 with preset M

...it might actually be reno related, i believe it might kill renodx

yeah game's clipped as soon as preset M is selected, going back to preset K fixes it

[uncut tundra]

Oh shit

[trim cargo]

Hope that's exclusive to FFXIV

[uncut tundra]

Yeah...

[tawdry maple]

preset L does not clip

wtf

[last bloom]

having the same perf drop on my 4070 Ti. did you check if the perf drop was also reno related?

[trim cargo]

I didn't notice any clipping with M

It is too sharp for my liking tho

[tawdry maple]

i've not checked whether the perf drop is reno related yet, no

[fossil crypt]

wonder if the hdr flag for dlss changes anything in this case

[ocean zealot]

it gets auto set

for V2

HUD will show you if a game is in HDR or LDR now

[ivory depot]

Man, the new preset M is so sharp it brings back visible jitter and in parts aliasing.

[uncut tundra]

Yup it’s essentially a trade off of muting less detail and more clarity at the expense of some aliasing/noise in particular instances

[mint pollen]

is the reno mod better then say using specialk for hdr?

[keen cliff]

Definitely

Reno is native hdr

[ocean zealot]

Reno is modifying game shader code at run time to support HDR output

Special K, autoHDR, RTX HDR work as post processing that takes the final SDR output and using ITM (inverse tonemapping) stretches SDR into HDR

[mint pollen]

ah so reno is preferred got it

i still need to tweak it to make it have that wow factor all the other versions of the mod do for other games

[ocean zealot]

FF14 suffers from a grey haze look washed over everything

Reno fixes up nicely

by using DICE with lowered black floor and some gamut expansion for more saturation

vanilla SDR if I remember correctly doesnt use a tonemapper, they just saturate() + clip

so SDR just deletes highlight details

[mint pollen]

i basically run the default settings other then setting my max nits to my monitors max

[mint pollen]

is it normal for 14 to go past peak like this?

max nits is set right but come colors just blow past

[ocean zealot]

whats your peak set to?

[mint pollen]

400

[ocean zealot]

max is at 396

?

or do you mean for other scenes?

[mint pollen]

its set to 400

if i set it to 410 it'll hit 400

14 is bizzare

[ocean zealot]

well there might be overshooting because of post processing maybe

[mint pollen]

interesting

[ocean zealot]

I am not sure whats fully going on with the addon

Maple is responisble for it now

[mint pollen]

could be bloom solution 9 has a lot of it

cause its not every zone

[fossil anchor]

Overshoot on colors is nothing you need to worry about. As long as white is kept within range you won't see clipping

[mint pollen]

okay thanks

[faint oracle]

Hey, what kind of AO shaders are recommended to use? I did not play the game for quite a while so im out of the loop.

[ivory depot]

Either MXAO or GTAO from the REST repository (features a subtle indirect lighting as well).

MXAO may break with native HDR though.

[ocean zealot]

MXAO needs a one linear to get it to work with HDR output

xeGTAO from the FFXIV REST repo works without issue

just needs the correct shader hashes since each update adjusts them

[faint oracle]

Thanks! Im trying to get both working atm to compare

[faint oracle]

Do you mean you have to configure something differently?

Also im having this weird effect while using XeGTAO. I have DLSS on 100% DLAA and have enabled the needed shaders:

[ocean zealot]

You'll need to modify the shader code to stop artefacts

[ocean zealot]

Caused by incorrect setup of REST

FF14 REST config .ini hasnt been updated for 7.4, User do upload it if you check the github page Issues tab

About every update, the shader hashes for FF14 change which is why Maple has to update the Reno addon + the REST config has to be re-setup again so xegtao is applying correctly

[faint oracle]

Ohh ok thank you!
is this the right repo to check? https://github.com/4lex4nder/ReshadeEffectShaderToggler-FFXIV/issues

There doesnt seem to be a fix yet sadly, is there a discord server where these fixes are also shared?

[ocean zealot]

I think I found the 7.3 fix last time on discord

Marty's server (reshade shaders) since theres a dedicated FF14 thread

for 7.2 I just fixed it myself

[uncut tundra]

Damn Reno breaks with every update? That sucks

[ocean zealot]

Live service title be like

Well 7.4 came out in Dec

Does the addon still work? I see a snapshot for January but that could just be common files being updated and the rebuild triggered date change

[tawdry maple]

yes, the addon still works

it doesn't break with every update

[faint oracle]

Thanks, I will have a look at it

[faint oracle]

How hard is it to do this? I suspect that quite some knowledge is required

[ocean zealot]

Trying to remember

I had to target xeGTAO to run before certain shader hashes

and apply to others

You have to know how to use REST pretty much

and then sit there going through everything until its setup and working

Did you atleast try the 7.3 config?

7.3 might still work

[faint oracle]

I found the latest working config.
In case anyone else is searching: #1123025920442241166 message

[faint oracle]

Thanks! That was the one

[haughty nebula]

I think after installing renodx I messed up something with the DLAA override because while I move everything gets blurry like it's not working (fyi I used the nvidia app to force DLAA)

[ivory depot]

What does the depth buffer look like when it happens? As far as I recall forcing DLAA via the driver does not fully prevent the game from using dynamic resolution scaling. The best way is to set the game's frame target to 30 FPS.

[haughty nebula]

I've set the ingame dlss option to "below 30 fps" if that's what you mean, I've also installed optiscaler but things still get blurry when moving

[tawdry maple]

which DLSS preset are you using? E is blurry in motion

[haughty nebula]

F I think is the recommended preset for DLAA

[haughty nebula]

Sorry I didn't answer your first question, to answer I don't know what you mean, I only use Reshade for renodx so I haven't touched the other settings like the depthbuffer.

[tawdry maple]

FFXIV + DLAA is kinda a pick your poison kinda deal.
E has good anti-aliasing, but gets blurry in motion and has smearing on distant objects
F doesn't do particilarly good anti-aliasing
K has fantastic anti-aliasing and stability, even in motion, but you get jump scared by the dreaded checkerboard pattern whenever there's bright flashes on screen
M runs and looks like shit, and kills reno

i personally use preset K, but the checkerboards are annoying

[haughty nebula]

I'll try K and see how I like it thanks 👍

[tawdry maple]

all imo and ymmv ofc, might even depend on your resolution, but personal preference too

you should be able to see the checkerboard pattern on the login screen

[ivory depot]

You can use the displaydepth.fx shader reshade installs automatically and see how the depth buffer looks. Should the buffer show proper fullscreen (no borders right/down) then the scale is 100% and should be good on that regard.
I used preset K for a while but decided to just stick to vanilla/default now. It's the visually most stable and looks good enough to me (some sharpening can do the rest). The checkerboarding with K was one thing and disappeared quickly when the camera moved but but it also has issues with smearing volumetric alpha effects on movement.

[ivory depot]

Might not be THAT representative for FFXIV because we know it's weird.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOY6wL6tv9w

[quasi solstice]

What's your settings for TrueBlack 400 oled diplay?

[vale dove]

https://www.nexusmods.com/finalfantasy16/mods/527
Is this any good?

[sand juniper]

Sounds like bullshit

@flat laurel @ornate mica

There is an early RenoDX add-on for FFXVI circulating in the RenoDX Discord, but it is very WIP, requires a paid subscription, suffers from stability and performance issues, and demands significantly more intrusive modifications than this mod. It will require extensive reverse engineering of the FFXVI engine before it can reach a proper release, and there is no guarantee that will ever happen.

Lol

Additionally, RenoDX is not compatible with FFXVI. The game does not have an internal HDR rendering pipeline; instead, the developers rely on the display device to apply tone mapping rather than the source device. Because of this, official RenoDX support is effectively impossible without heavy engine modification and reverse engineering. RenoDX works by manipulating a game’s internal HDR or linear color buffer. If that pipeline does not exist, it must be forced into the game manually, which is extremely complex. This is why, even after three years since release, there is still no official RenoDX add-on for FFXVI. If one existed, or if it were as simple as "just make a RenoDX add-on", there would be no need for this mo ???

Dafuk is he on aboot

Ff16 has no hdr pack it up bois

It was all a scam

[ornate mica]

seems like slop and bs except for maybe 2 interesting parts
if the dolby picture mode setting in windows actually does something when connected to a pc then that would be news i think
and it seems like he figured out how to make windows switch between dv and hdr10 output, which could also have some use for testing things
other than that i'm not seeing anything interesting

[sand juniper]

Oh yeha it was more about the bullshitery

Not the interesting dolby part

Because there isn't

It's prob just telling people to enable dolby for pc and dtm

[ornate mica]

well he's claiming that using dv pc output will make the tv tonemap the game

which is just not how that works pretty sure

[sand juniper]

Pretty sure ff16 has hdr rendering

And the brightness slider controls the paper white

[ornate mica]

the game actually uses the maxtml value from windows, right?

[sand juniper]

Yep

Which is actually good

[flat laurel]

Brightness slider in ff16 is contrast

[flat laurel]

It’s bad because there’s no functioning brightness slider so you need lilium’s brightness adjustment shader but you can’t adjust peak to account for what the brightness adjustment does

[haughty nebula]

I think I just blinded myself lol
1130 peak brightness and got a cutscene with fast white flash transitions and my eyes are still smoking.

[uncut tundra]

Oh man those are the worst I hate when they do it

[winged nexus]

probably misunderstood the fact that its edid aware

the native hdr is decent it just has a bright paper white like musa said

[sand juniper]

No shit

[grand robin]

just came to the realization that dlss preset M was breaking the mod
but the game looks so much worse on other presets
is it possible to fix or is it just an unsolvable conflict?

[uncut tundra]

Oh shit, really?

It’s probably fixable but it’s weird that this would happen

Never seen it happen other than with FG but this game doesn’t have it so… not sure what’s happening

[trim cargo]

Did you try enabling DLSS HDR and Auto Exposure flags?

[hidden thorn]

How does preset M break the mod?

[grand robin]

no I don't even know where to set those

[grand robin]

clips anything above sdr range, the sliders still work but it's not actually hdr

[trim cargo]

If you use anything to tweak DLSS like SK, Optiscaler, there are usually options to enable those settings

[ivory depot]

Nvidia Profile Inspector works as well. Very nice tool for anyone tweaking driver profiles.

Can confirm M does clip to SDR. In addition preset M seems to introduce slight jitter in foliage etc. So might not be a good idea to use anyway. And performance was weirdly uneven. 🤔

[white vault]

is this working with reshade 6.7.3?

trying to get this working on catchy os

[hidden thorn]

DLSS Preset M doesn't clip to SDR for me (or am I crazy?). The first image is K and the second is M.

[green zodiac]

Works for me on EndeavourOS, using RB launcher and Proton-GE.

[white vault]

how do i use RB launcher with proton GE?

i just got it setup

used XLM to install xiv-RB

ahh managed proton

ill just blow it out and reinstall fresh, can i get your launch options?

[green zodiac]

PROTON_ENABLE_HDR=1 ENABLE_HDR_WSI=1 PROTON_DLSS_UPGRADE=ON DXVK_NVAPI_DRS_NGX_DLSS_SR_OVERRIDE_RENDER_PRESET_SELECTION=RENDER_PRESET_K DXVK_NVAPI_DRS_NGX_DLAA_OVERRIDE=ON %command%

ENABLE_HDR_WSI=1 is only for NVidia.

DLSS/DLAA is not neccesary.

Pretty much just PROTON_ENABLE_HDR=1, and Wayland checkbox.

[white vault]

and the resahde DLL override

[white vault]

success! any tips on some how chain loading optiscaler so I can upgrade the fsr2 to 4 X-D

wait there is a proton option...

[green zodiac]

Yeah, not using optiscaler, but i think it should work renaming it to dxgi and leaving reshade as ReShade64.dll

[white vault]

yeah ill have to mess with it

https://old.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/1rlu908/nvidia_has_released_a_beta_driver_for_linux_that/

my main box is waiting

[vapid crown]

Are you saying RenoDX fixes banding in general or has some special setting, and that it's better than the blue noise shader?

[hollow thorn]

ngl i have absolutely no clue what i was talking about up there lmao. the blue noise shader hardly works at all at lower color bit depth like what 14 uses by default. unless it does? idfk. lol

but renodx does fix banding by default - or at least, the color banding that appears due to lower color bit depth. gradients done through textures will still have banding because its literally baked into the texture

sort of, at least. you can combine renodx with the blue noise shader for even better color banding fix

[hollow thorn]

though im not entirely sure why its less effective

[vapid crown]

I'll compare in a different game b/c i don't have FF14

Thanks!

[hollow thorn]

some things are simply beyond saving...

ps1 ass sky

[ivory depot]

I've never noticed roughly pixelated colour banding before! Are you sure it's not something like DLSS volumetric/alpha artifacts?

[hollow thorn]

Oh that's definitely not color banding, that's just the skybox being low res and highly conpressed

Stormblood map, so back when the game was on.. what was it? Ps3?

[ivory depot]

Is that visible on some weather conditions or all? SE made a great work with the newly added fog effect on Azym Steppe but this!?

[robust moss]

Should I stick to preset K then?

[robust moss]

The HDR flag in OptiScaler seems to have fixed it

[jagged pasture]

After activating RenoDX: for Final Fantasy XIV the map becomes...washed out...is there anything I can do to fix it please?

I mean the map screen after you press M

[jagged pasture]

This doesn't look exactly like in my game

[jagged pasture]

P.S: FIxed it: In Dalamud experimental settings:

Reshade handling set to:

Hook Reshade: DXGISwapChain

save and restart

Leaving it here in case someone has the same issue

[jagged pasture]

Is the renoxd for ff14 on nexus the latest?

[ivory depot]

Snapshot is from January according to Github.

[ocean zealot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dk3rfUC80DE

https://tenor.com/view/amadeus-mozart-salieri-antonio-salieri-amadeus-salieri-gif-12095716088864804173

If I can skip Dawntrail

We might be back

Good call to explore another shard rather than being on Eorzea

[faint oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[faint oracle]

Dont skip it. Its good

Worse compared to the previous expansions but still good

But I really hope they dont oversimplify the jobs with the new evolved mode.

[ocean zealot]

I shall see, Evercold is sounding kino

I may return to the game when it releases

TOOOOOOOMMMOOORRRRROOOOOWWW

[dreamy kettle]

hello. after a year of absence I am finally back to ffxiv (for some reason) and I imagine many others will be doing the same. would it be possible to pin a message with some good to know info for us returners? one thing I remember is the dlss was shit by default. is this still the case? if so, what is wrong with it and what ways are there of fixing it? is reno updated and working? and any other questions maybe regarding reshade etc would be nice to have in one place. or if this already exists it would be awesome if someone can direct me to a resource :)

[faint oracle]

Au Ra enjoyers are gonna be eating good next expansion

The teaser trailer already looks really good and there is probably going to be at least one more cinematic trailer

I would have bought tickets for the fan fest for sure but I missed the sale

[faint oracle]

I am in a similar position so I can share some things that might help:
Overriding the DLSS Preset via Nvidia app doesnt seem to fully work and the dynamic resolution might still do its thing. https://www.nexusmods.com/finalfantasy14/mods/2196 This mod that uses optiscaler to override min and max values for dynamic resolution + DLSS Preset.
There might be other ways, because I also didnt play for quite some time and dont know what the latest/best approch is atm.

If you want additional AO then xeGTAO from the FFXIV REST repo is probably the best choice

But you need the latest config for it after every update because the shader hashes change

Forge helped me back in January to get it working. Just read through the conversation here and you will understand what you need to do if you want xeGTAO: #1278435249025581066 message

[dreamy kettle]

oh yeah REST is also one of those things I remember having to hunt down during 7.1 and 7.2. thanks

[ocean zealot]

Game is DX11 and doesnt use AC

could make a grafix only Reno addon to complement the HDR addon

REST is sometimes jank

[dreamy kettle]

is grafix a REST alternative?

[native salmon]

I'd definitely welcome an Ultra+ Forge graphic improvement addon working on top of the HDR

Trying to fuck around between RenoDX, the DLSS fix and finding a compatible reshade preset and the REST stuff is kinda of a pain rn

It's not a gacha at least, patch cycle isn't 6 weeks here lol

[cloud vortex]

[scarlet sky]

My take was that evolved was supposed to be more complex for a slightly more dynamic experience and small DPS increase, compared to current job design which is largely predictable

Some jobs having samey rotations was a common complaint and some plugins of dubious origin are able to fully automate some jobs such as dancer (which as a dancer main kind of pisses me off a bit) so making combat more dynamic is a good thing

[faint oracle]

That would be amazing

There are also probably a lot of people that would be interested in a mod like this considering how many reshade presets there are for this game that try to improve the graphics

[native salmon]

You could automate all jobs with those, 2min meta + encounter design made around said 2 min meta made it so...rotations are static as hell currently

[uncut tundra]

There´s a note about DLSS presets being broken? Is it recommended to DLAA?

[robust moss]

For me the only way to force a quality preset in a consistent way has been doing it via OptiScaler. Other methods had weird performance issues or didn't work at all. Presets M and L also normally don't work with HDR unless you turn on the HDR option in OptiScaler. The only side effect I have now is that DLSS only turns on after logging in for some reason, but it's not a big deal

[dreamy kettle]

I ended up with dlss tweaks and setting a custom resolution to all scales works, even with DynamicResolutionMinOffset set to 0. but I have to change to FSR then back to DLSS once after every startup lmao

[uncut tundra]

Do you get the “upscaling failed” error popup in the main menu?

[last bloom]

I use DLSS Tweaks as well, works reliably. Set upscaling to always on in game and then the same resolution scale for each preset in DLSS Tweaks.

[robust moss]

OptiScaler just has a message saying the game isn't using DLSS, but after logging in everything works smoothly

[last bloom]

I then use DLSS Swapper to update DLSS itself (also seems more reliable than doing it via Nvidia App)

[uncut tundra]

Gotcha. No way to disable that message right?

[robust moss]

I used to do it via DLSS Tweaks too but I had to switch over to OptiScaler cause preset M and L clipped

[last bloom]

If you do use DLSS Tweaks though, you'll need to rename its dll to XInput1_3.dll for it to not conflict with ReShade's dxgi.dll

[robust moss]

I don't know but you only see it if you open the OptiScaler GUI

[last bloom]

Hmm, I've not noticed this, but I also only used M/L briefly before going back to K (for performance reasons)

[uncut tundra]

Ahhh gotcha. Thanks! What about preset? You running M?

[robust moss]

I'm running L at performance, works well for me at 4k on a 3080Ti

[robust moss]

I also had performance issues with DLSS Tweaks (I think) because there was some weird conflict going on with the scaling I think. The reported res was correct in theory but it tanked my fps

I'm not sure if it was specifically with DLSS Tweaks cause I tried so many different things and it was a while ago

But basically it felt like the game was rendered at a much higher res and then scaled or something

So yeah it might be worth it to try OptiScaler if you wanna use M and L, not necessary for other presets tbh

[uncut tundra]

Is REST still the way to go?

Huh, optiscaler is crashing on startup it seems

[last bloom]

I don't know if anyone's got an updated REST config for the latest patch?

[last bloom]

I remember having this issue briefly as well after I reinstalled Windows, can't recall how I fixed it but exact same symptoms

[uncut tundra]

Seems like my reshade is conflicting with opti, how did y´all name them?

[dreamy kettle]

I would share my version of REST including crashpad that even includes motion vectors for other shaders, but I'm not sure what the license on those are. anyone know if I'm free to share here?

I guess I've seen other people share them so it should be fine...?

[uncut tundra]

Im getting 76fps in Limsa at 4K DLSS P with a 4080

That doesn’t seem normal… M also performs the same as K

Only 70% GPU usage

[dreamy kettle]

wouldn't limsa be cpu limited at that point? game is cooked when it comes to other characters

[last bloom]

yeah that definitely sounds cpu limited

[uncut tundra]

Could be. It’s only at 26% usage but maybe it’s just not fast enough for limsa hell

[dreamy kettle]

yea probably using 1 core

☹️

[uncut tundra]

Threads don’t seem to be getting hammered at all either so yeah

Welp dlss seems like it’s working I guess. Now reshade preset hell (since none I can find work with HDR)

[dreamy kettle]

if they could address other player characters hammering the cpu we would have double the frame rate lol

[last bloom]

the technology just isn't there yet

[dreamy kettle]

I'm actually just straight up having a terrible time in new alliance raids

[uncut tundra]

At the very least lol

I would guess I’m never gonna go lower than limsa hell tho

Which is fine in that case

[dreamy kettle]

good benchmark

[uncut tundra]

If anyone has any HDR preset to remove the piss tint of vanilla (or Reno settings for the same purpose) it would be appreciated

[robust moss]

You can just name it Reshade64.dll and let OptiScaler load it as proxy, but I had to use dxgi.dll for Reshade and winmm.dll for OptiScaler to avoid input issues caused by the Steam overlay (it's like an injection sandwich)

If you also count Dalamud...

[native salmon]

ffxiv.exe getting more injections than a terminal cancer patient yeesh

Using DLAA at 4k turns my 4080s into a jet engine for some reason. I end up limiting to 60fps just for the peace and quiet

[uncut tundra]

Totally unrelated but, why on earth can´t I dye this outfit? Did something change while I was away or do I have a plugin doing some weird shit

[dreamy kettle]

where does it go wrong? seems to be fine

[uncut tundra]

Im trying to make it black

But it does not change from white at all

No matter what Dye I use

I know the dye system changed since I played so maybe im missing something

Also found this to make some reshade effects work with DLSS, might be worth a try

[dreamy kettle]

I actually have no idea, pretty sure even a glamourer automation wouldn't override that

[dreamy kettle]

and yea this def works, I am using this

[uncut tundra]

Oh, nice! It would be 1.66 for DLSS performance right?

[uncut tundra]

Welp just tried it and MXAO still looks funky

Could you share your preset with me? This is confusing af

I need a base that works to tweak from

[native salmon]

I gave up trying to fit a reshade preset / effects along with DLSS and HDR, half the stuff was breaking

[uncut tundra]

I just need a lut or a tonemap

The rest I can live without

But that piss filter man

I can’t

I rather play in SDR lol

[native salmon]

tbf you're not wrong lol

[uncut tundra]

I will do that if I can’t find a tonemap/color correction for HDR for sure

[native salmon]

let me know if you find a set up that works

[uncut tundra]

I doubt that I will tho xd

Everything is SDR only

[native salmon]

also, how does that work with DLAA lol what's the multiplier in this case

[uncut tundra]

You don’t need it

Probably

Isnt it native res?

But yeah I tried that with dlss performance and it didn’t work at all, so dunno

[uncut tundra]

Found this guy who seems to have some HDR pipeline going on. Not sure if it’s true HDR and Reno compatible tho

https://youtu.be/jJnwzkBre8Y?is=D6DfmHm9G1KM1mf3

[native salmon]

not updated in 2 years though, wonder if they still work

[uncut tundra]

It has a color correct with a HDR toggle but I cant get it to work

Doesnt look too good

[native salmon]

We need Forge to save us with a graphic update addon Depissify the game

[uncut tundra]

Hold up

IT WORKS

If you set it up like this with Reno on

It doesnt clip back to SDR

And you have color correction

Just with the tint and temp controls it’s already perfect

Now just gotta figure out the correct Rgb values for the shader and its

So far I´m using this and it removes the piss tint. But I may refine it more

[native salmon]

nice, trying it out

just start, color correct and end for the shaders?

what are your renodx settings?

[uncut tundra]

Yep

[uncut tundra]

Defaults

Increase the tint value till the piss is removed. I increased it more (0.3)

Looks great

[native salmon]

hmm i got a noticeable difference with and without ui displayed lol

[uncut tundra]

Oh weird

I didnt try hiding ui actually

Are you using REST?

[native salmon]

Yeah I got REST prob need to play with that

[uncut tundra]

Possibly. Lmk if you figure it out

[ocean zealot]

I am surprised, again the game is DX11 and has no AC.

but outside of Reno and REST theres no graphics stuff apart from reshade/gshade?

The game could do with the following

1. Upgrade base GTAO to xeGTAO with bitmask visibility ect
2. Replace bloom (vanilla looks doo doo)
3. Contact shadows (pretty sure the game only uses CSMs for shadowing)
4. Some form of GI

[native salmon]

Found nothing outside of reshade yeah, bajillion of profiles out there, even some using iMMERSE shaders for rtgi

issue is making everything work together, a good reshade profile upgrading the graphics, renodx for HDR and the fix for their slop DLSS implementation

[ocean zealot]

Do feel the same, the game has a yellowish tint which I just used D93 whitepoint to "solve"

Looking back might do a 50% lerp between vanilla nd D93

so its not too yellow or too blue

[uncut tundra]

Do you have any working HDR color correction preset?

[ocean zealot]

Wdym?

Reno is already tonemapping

oh

[uncut tundra]

Yeah mb

Color correction lol

[ocean zealot]

Not really, I just used D93

with some reno grading tweaks

Prod80 works with HDR

but that will effect all colours since its post

[uncut tundra]

OHHHH I did use prod80 back in the SDR days

[ocean zealot]

that bloom though

single pass be like

Dont think they have changed it since the original 1.0 release

[uncut tundra]

Also, might I ask about this tweaks?

[native salmon]

Kinda crazy how little they changed over the years yeah

[ocean zealot]

Well you say that then you go back to pre 7.0 materials

the pre PBR metals look like plastic

[native salmon]

Yeah ig textured are definitely an improvement lol

[ocean zealot]

I cant remember

Probably just pushed contrast up by a few points

and saturation by 5

[uncut tundra]

Thanks!

Just tried prod80 and it clips to SDR

Ok I´ve landed on these, they look pretty on point. Basically just lower greens a bit

Only thing is this doesn’t seem to work with RCAS

And I can also confirm when I hide ui it looks vanilla. No idea why @native salmon

With contrast and saturation tweaks in Reno:

In REST disabling this causes the effects to stop applying, so its this

When UI is not drawing effects are not applied, not sure how to change that

[faint oracle]

No, I dont think there are any graphics mods other than the reshade presets. But most of them suck tbh because doing all of the effects via normal reshade also adds extra latency etc.

[faint oracle]

It would be awesome to have all these things baked into a reno mod. The vanilla bloom looks sooo bad. The game also benefits a lot from better AO because the vanilla AO is not that good even after the graphics update. Shadow render distance is also quite bad.

The only thing I found to improve this is a penumbra plugin that tries to improve far shadows etc. I think it was called 'better shadows' or something

I think it was this one, not 100% sure though. https://github.com/Drahsid/BetterShadows

I imagine that its pretty easy to improve some of the graphics stuff with dx11 with no AC. Its really surprising that no one has done it considering how large the reshade scene is for this game.

Praying that Forge comes back to FFXIV

[native salmon]

[cloud vortex]

[ocean zealot]

Just remebered that Maple mentioned the game already uses xeGTAO

I dunno why it lacks AO shading in a lot of places

[ocean zealot]

This I did try before but it borks shadows randomly

they start breaking in dungeons

[ocean zealot]

UI hide has its own shaders iirc

[uncut tundra]

What does this mean in practice?

[ocean zealot]

When you hide the UI or use camera mode it uses different shaders

so if you use REST

it can make AO disappear

I cant remeber what I did but I had to target some other shaders

or in your case the grading shader you are applying disappears

[native salmon]

Oh there is a patch tomorrow, I'm assuming some things are gonna break lol

[uncut tundra]

Huh, interesting

I have no idea how to retarget this tbh

[ocean zealot]

well not this exact addon, theres an updated version

[ocean zealot]

so I am guessing you found the shader that handles UI and then told rest to draw your reshade stuff before it?

what ends up happening is when you hide the UI

the UI shader no longer draws

so reshade + rest has no idea when you draw your stuff

which is why your shaders dont apply

[uncut tundra]

I didn’t do anything tbh. I already had REST installed and I just got this guys HDR color correct shader

In sdr/old setup I never had this issue. So I’m not sure how to fix it

[cursive frost]

For reshade presets that use LUTs has anyone noticed that some of them cause lighting to turn blue? And is there anyway to fix that or does the LUT need to be converted or something?

[uncut tundra]

Fucking hell man my FFXIV keeps crashing

I have no clue what’s causing it

[ocean zealot]

Reshade LUTs havent been adapted for HDR usage so will cause either clamping back to SDR or cause visual / colour artefacts

[ocean zealot]

they might be doing some sort of stencil gating so it doesnt apply to charcters

or other materials

[cursive frost]

i see thanks

[ivory depot]

The game needs rework of the SSR as well. IMO

[ivory depot]

I believe GTAO seems to react to direct sun lighting. Or there may be an internal feature to fine tune it in different areas.

[ocean zealot]

hmm so might be gated to only apply on direct lighting

Crimson Desert for instanced just gated everything for AO

Doesnt apply to direct lighting, nor scene

[ivory depot]

Or more precisely GTAO disappears on directly lit pixels.

[ocean zealot]

Only applies to hair in interiors

[ivory depot]

And vanilla GTAO can be far too dark.
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[ocean zealot]

Lacks multi bounce?

Only thing that would cause it to overdarken

that or just deepfried AO gamma

[ivory depot]

The gif made the colours look a bit worse.

It's the vanilla image comparison with AO that counts.

[uncut olive]

I assume the mod is all good for the new patch?

[tawdry maple]

it is

some of the new cutscenes go hard with hdr, so much clipped detail restored

just be careful when running the dawntrail alliance raids, the transitions between areas are blindingly bright white each time

[scarlet sky]

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-flash-cat-betterttv-gif-10690574645280585754

[uncut tundra]

Oh no

I hate when this happens so much

Fades to white should put the people who make them in jail

Even in sdr they bother me

[cloud vortex]

Especially when you are gaming at night your entire room gets flashbanged and you spend the next minute recovering from the eye damage

[tawdry maple]

the white fades are usually okay and stay clipped at paper white even in hdr

but occasionally they aren’t, and go full tilt

in the dt alliance raids they’re almost always full tilt

[uncut olive]

I have a 2000 nit monitor.

Guess when those transitions come up, I'm cooked.

[tawdry maple]

you are

[faint oracle]

#1123025920442241166 message
#1123025920442241166 message
Latest ReshadeEffectShaderToggler.ini and ffxiv_crashpad.fx (you need to edit it manually) in case anyone is looking for it and wants to use xeGTAO

Fixed crashpad for the lazy ones

[lethal crater]

dayum

[uncut tundra]

How often does this break? If it’s breaks usually I just might do without it tbh

[ocean zealot]

About every patch

They move shader hashes around

[uncut tundra]

Yeahhh im passing then sadly. Seems like too much of a hassle as I expected

[steel owl]

What does Crashpad even do if you're using RenoDX? I don't see any difference in AO with Crashpad enabled or not.

[steel owl]

Also I'm noticing with that newest REST whenever a dialogue box is on-screen during a cut-scene the entire screen darkens ever so slightly.

Creates a strobing effect when going through story parts.

[steel owl]

Yeah looks like AO is only being applied while a text box is on-screen

I wonder if it is because I'm in ultra-wide so cut-scenes have black bars and that is somehow fucking with it? text boxes in regular areas have no effect.

[ivory depot]

Crashpad has nothing to do with RenoDX or vice versa. Crashpad simply makes native buffers like normals and motion vector accessible which in turn other shaders can use. The benefits are increased performance (data calculation by other shaders not needed) and increased fidelity in shader output.

[ivory depot]

That could be because the image without UI has a different colour format and ReShade shaders get different colour data w/o the UI. There should be no difference when using no shaders.

But the more incompatible shaders are with e.g. HDR the more "wrong" the image will become. Some shaders like from the immerse suite tend to completely break HDR.

[steel owl]

Yeah I have the ffxiv_xeGTAO shader on.

[ivory depot]

GTAO should fully work with RenoDX. There shouldn't be any difference with the UI.

[steel owl]

Yeah this issue just popped up when I changed out my rest ini with the one linked above.

[ivory depot]

Does it happen every time even when toggling UI manually?

[steel owl]

Yeah if I turn the UI off, GTAO also turns off.

Or it is so minimalized that it appears to be off.

If I look at the debug output of the GTAO shader, the entire scene gets significantly darker with no UI present.

[uncut tundra]

This is happening to me too yeah. But the inverse actually. I’m using an old REST and with UI my shaders work but without UI they don’t at all

Cutscenes also don’t work

[uncut tundra]

Oh so it’s the same issue I have. I didn’t find any way to fix that

[ivory depot]

That's weird. Even with debug output toggling UI works well for me. 🤔

[steel owl]

It only happens in cut-scenes. I noticed it when going through the last bit of the alliance raid.

Which I can't think of a good way to replicate that state off the top of my head

[ivory depot]

Just did the last alliance raid as well. I had no obvious issues, including the last phase change sequence. 🤔

[steel owl]

Do you play in ultra wide?

[steel owl]

Specifically I noticed it during the questing that goes along with the AR, not the battle instances

[ivory depot]

Windowed, exotic 2550x2050 pixels, I dunno whether the game would behave so differently in uw.

Maybe you could DM me your ini to look if I can reproduce it?

[steel owl]

My guess for UW was UW has vertical black pillars on the sides during cut-scenes.

So those black pillars might be affecting some sort of screen-space brightness calculation.

My .ini is the exact same one you linked above.

No changes were made.

[faint oracle]

I noticed this too while playing in 4k resolution. Its not just the AO effects but other effects like HDR bloom look different when you are in a dialog cutscene and the dialog box is on screen.

[ivory depot]

How big is the difference?

[faint oracle]

Its pretty noticealbe. It almost looks like the effect gets multiplied by some amount

I will send a screenshot when I play the next time

[steel owl]

#1123025920442241166 message

Sounds like maybe this user is having the same issue and fixed it?

[uncut tundra]

Oh damn this is what I was getting I think

I’ll try this

[native salmon]

oh nice, that fixed it for me it seems!

I wasn't bothered by the change when hiding UI that much, but it was driving me nuts in dialogue

[native salmon]

FYI, I was having issue with Optiscaler sometimes not injecting for the DLSS fix so I decided to try overriding via Display Commander and it seems to be working.

removing a piece from the injection sandwich is worth it lol

[uncut tundra]

Oh thanks for confirming! I’ll install it too then lol I hadn’t had time to test it yet

[uncut tundra]

Oh so we don’t need optiscaler?

Just DC and override from there?

[native salmon]

Seems to be working for me like that yup

at least DC is reporting DLAA

[uncut tundra]

Nice! I might try it

It removes the annoying message of dlss not working in the menu too right?

[native salmon]

Didn't have that issue with DLAA so can't really say.

[native salmon]

may have spoken too quickly, still have the weird AO issue when toggling UI

[uncut tundra]

But the tonemap works?

[native salmon]

Found this old issues on their github regarding something similar https://github.com/4lex4nder/ReshadeEffectShaderToggler-FFXIV/issues/30

[pine bolt]

i was just lucky don't expect much from me 😭 but yeah i don't have any issues anymore now

but a friend of mine didn't find the pixel shader i marked and used another one, perhaps the pixel shader depends on the resolution ? He's on 4K i'm on 1440p

[pine bolt]

"Probably writing to 16bit buffer when no UI present
Make sure to double check the group to be present for both UI being there and not

you'll have to go through them one by one :X
but i'd assume most will be applied at UI/UI2
or if none match, directly to the present buffer
the latter is usually the culprit for UI/no-UI variations"

that's what the dev said when someone talked about the issue, which I understood as adjusting the targets and pixel shaders, but I'm not an expert at all

[native salmon]

I've been out of the ffxiv loop the last 2 years but why do we need REST ? It seems like a messy solution for what was previously just fixed by keepui shaders ?

[dreamy kettle]

shaders only mask out the UI vs REST gets the raw UI-less buffer, no? leading to a cleaner experience

[uncut tundra]

#1123025920442241166 message

This fixed it for me! Its res dependant

That one works at 4K

Btw if theres any dualsense players here I found out how to get haptics to work via BT

https://github.com/awalol/DS5Dongle

Its wonderful

[native salmon]

Thanks for the heads up, gonna test that ini

Yeah saw a news about the Dual Sense open source dongle earlier. The guys at DSX have been taking so long to release their solution they just got beaten to it lol

[pine bolt]

yeah that’s the preset of my friend so strangely now the pixel shader is resolution dependent for UI2 ?

[native salmon]

Hopefully it doesnt change every patch

[scarlet sky]

How does this work as someone that’s never fucked with a micro computer before? Do I just buy a Pico and a case for it along with a Micro USB cable and I’m good to go, or does this require any additional components/soldering?

[native salmon]

From what i've read you just plug it to usb and drop the firmware on it

pair your dual sense and done

[scarlet sky]

Neato, might look into this

[native salmon]

Too bad you're then confronted to the shitty dual sense battery life :/

[uncut tundra]

Literally plug it in. Drop a file in the folder and that’s it. It acts as a dongle

It’s really really good and easy

[native salmon]

No difference anymore between UI states, thank god. Thanks.

I can finally stop fucking around with settings and catch up on MSQ now

[scarlet sky]

it does seem interesting but I only use my controller right in front of my computer anyway, so plugging it in isn't that big of a burden, and not one I'd want to spend like $20 to resolve

the price is appealing I just don't need it is all

now if the shipping cost wasn't the same as the cost of the board itself I'd be interested lol

[uncut tundra]

Yeah if you don’t mind the cable there’s no purpose to it obviously

I tried it in XIV and damn the haptics are SO nice man

[native salmon]

I'll probably grab a new steam controller myself tomorrow. Been couch gaming mostly nowadays, streaming through Sunshine/Moonlight so the flexibility seems nice.

[uncut tundra]

I was going to but the steam input lock put me off. And now even more with the ability to have haptics in dualsense

[native salmon]

It's actually the reason i switched to Display Commander to force DLAA lol. Had to add the game to Steam, but the Steam overlay and Optiscaler were fucking with each other.

[faint oracle]

Damn they really improved the lighting with Dawntrail

[steel owl]

Interesting that the shader is resolution dependent.

Anyone have the config for 1440p ultrawide?

Or knows how to find it?

[faint oracle]

Can this be easily done with some kind of shader like FourTwentyColorSpaces? I would love to have this

[ocean zealot]

FTCP doesnt have that option

in Crimson I just took base game scene colour then lerped 50% with D93

[ocean zealot]

Alternative is to just use colour temp slider

in Kelvin

[faint oracle]

First instance of crimson desert being easier to mod ever recorded

[faint oracle]

Yeah, I wanted to try that now

[heavy thicket]

i don’t know if i’m just an idiot but i can’t see this channel link. is it a different server?

[native salmon]

Yeah

https://discord.gg/dYB8mkBK

[heavy thicket]

thanks!

[royal halo]

Hi ! Maybe a strange question but : How do I know if what I’m seeing is the intended HDR looks ?
Maybe I’m not used to it but I’m not sure if it is the intended look.

I use a fresh install of reshade, just added the Renodx addon.
I play through XIVLauncher with a bunch of simple Penumbra texture mods.
Added « hook reshade » to Dalamud.
Gamma set to 50.
Monitor and Windows calibrated. On a 21:9 sceeen.

Playing with dlss dlaa preset M

Should be correct right ?

[native salmon]

If you're not adding more shaders there is nothing much more than that yes. Then it's a matter of adjusting the sliders in RenoDX to taste. You should definitely see the difference by toggling the preset slider to off in Renodx

[royal halo]

Tank you, would play a bit with it then !