✅RenoDX: Final Fantasy XIV

[ocean zealot]

and it was working before?

[frosty oasis]

im using the renodx that was built in february on the wiki

[frosty oasis]

yes

lmao

[ocean zealot]

You lost the update game

[frosty oasis]

this is the weirdest part

the gate things are the ONLY thing going above that 300 nits

[ocean zealot]

UI shaders havent changed

[last bloom]

I looked at it a bit

[ocean zealot]

ones in yellow and blue highlight are to be selected for UI group

[last bloom]

it seems if f2f6bde8 / 4076256744 is ignored it also has that dimming effect

[frosty oasis]

its better than "vanilla" which clamps to 203 nits but ugh

[ocean zealot]

Good ol' reinstall of everything?

[frosty oasis]

i can try that but i feel like since we dont even have dalamud, how more fresh of an install can this be

[ocean zealot]

Im dumb once again

went to norscea and shit is clipped

https://tenor.com/view/what-just-happened-wtf-fix-it-gif-14213896

[frosty oasis]

good ol "works on my machine" propaganda

[ocean zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/trolling-anime-me-after-a-long-day-gif-25970094

[frosty oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/help-help-kenan-thompson-saturday-night-live-help-help-me-gif-23508421

[ocean zealot]

So yh, sliders work and apply their settings but the game is still SDR

[frosty oasis]

the sliders all work for me except the black floor one

[ocean zealot]

Updated turned Reno into RTX HDR

[languid wave]

https://tenor.com/view/yikes-kenan-thompson-gif-26161109

[ocean zealot]

tonemapper is borked

ignore the banding, I went a little too aggressive with SKIV to reduce size lmao

Vanilla / None / DICE

what is up with discord

are AVIFs borked now?

ok I will just put it in words

tonemapper going from vanilla to none does nothing

goddamn is this game dodo looking without reno

I weep for our SDRFFXIV brothers and sisters

[frosty oasis]

sk hdr is an okay alternative but it was nothing compared to reno :(

[green zodiac]

Any idea why i'm crashing when trying to use rest?

[ocean zealot]

im not using SK for FF

I figured with reno and REST it would have problems

unless the whole thing works together

[green zodiac]

Was working well with just SK loading reshade and renodx, but adding in rest looks like a no go. I'll try without SK.

With XIVLauncher on top 🙂

Yeah, works fine without SK. Just had to add DLSSTweaks to the mix and will have to use ingame FPS cap and whatnot.

Now to see XIV in its SDR glory again...

[pastel magnet]

Sorry, i was busy with work, will take a look on what broke.

[tawdry maple]

nooooo the game is sdr no i'm gonna diiiieeee

[pastel magnet]

fixed, will push changes soon

[frosty oasis]

Black floor fix slider works too?

[pastel magnet]

yes

I'm going to send a test build, i'd love to get some testing on this before i push it.

[tawdry maple]

i will switch to it and to the raids with it right after this cutscene

thank you so much o7

gonna report back on how well it works

ah i assume it requires reshade 6.4?

it does

[spring copper]

Pog

[tawdry maple]

lookin mighty good in solution 9 and cutscenes as always

gonna report back after doing the first raid

[green zodiac]

Looks good.

[ocean zealot]

King

[tawdry maple]

worked beautifully inside the raid too

[tawdry maple]

thank you so much for updating so quickly, doing the raid tier with renodx was so so so nice

[hollow cloud]

I'm curious, what do y'all use REST for? I've seen it mentioned quite a bit rofl.

[winged nexus]

to avoid having various reshade effects apply on the ui

[winged nexus]

for example forge is using it to avoid having film grain apply onto the ui

[stone hearth]

it can also provide motion vectors and normal maps to shaders

[hollow cloud]

Ah, I thought it was more than just UI. I've seen people use it to disable effects they DONT like in games but wasnt sure if it would be beneficial to say, HDR.

[hollow cloud]

Unless Reno relied on this, or maybe optiscaler relied on it.

[pastel magnet]

neither OptiScaler or RenoDX need REST

[spring copper]

Rest is broken AF on dx12 very sad

[stone hearth]

no reno doesn't benefit

[pastel magnet]

it's some very specific shaders that take advantage of REST, things like TAA shaders or screen space ambient occlusion

[spring copper]

I mean basically any AA shader is helped by rest

Otherwise they affect the ui and it's p goofy

[pastel magnet]

talking more about the motion vectors part

[spring copper]

Fair

[tawdry maple]

I don’t see any need for AA shaders when DLSS 4 is doing as good a job as it is

But I do wish it were artifacting less

[last bloom]

Speaking of REST, the dimming issue I had yesterday only appeared when I used REST along with certain shaders (like lilium's hdr cas). I disabled REST for now, as it's really not the end of the world for the UI to be slightly sharpened as well.

And with that Reno's now working perfectly as well

[ocean zealot]

I've watched videos that include pre 7.0 footage and I can't

The amount of shimmering and z-fighting is eye cancer

I don't know how I played the game back in the day on a 1080p display

[ocean zealot]

I use it to apply xeGTAO before UI, effects, fog, water and other volumetrics

And to apply HDRbloom before UI and some shaders

[dense ivy]

new update looks amazing thanks

[frosty oasis]

new update works for me ty!

[tawdry maple]

i've been wondering; the mod has a slider to set the bloom radius. even turned all the way down to 0, there still seems to be bloom with a small radius. it's not possible to disable bloom entirely with renodx, is it? if no, can y'all recommend another way to do it?

i feel bloom is redundant with hdr

[sand juniper]

Doesn't the game become hard to see with hdr effect in fights ?

asking for a friend

[winged nexus]

I think most people turn the effects off

except for your own

and the enemy

[sand juniper]

He tells me biggest issue are bosses effects

It's ferocious :plasmatv:

[tawdry maple]

it does strain your eyes more, yeah. i started using the mod while still doing savage and my eyes were definitely more strained after the sessions

boss attacks tend to be super bright

was still worth it for me

but i never felt anything was harder to see in the moment, no

Luckily you can set three different presets in renodx, so you could set up a second preset with a smaller brightness range

[languid wave]

that ain't luck

hollow knight is like that too. i was ready to blame the hdr pop, but turns out i'm just bad at the game.

[pastel magnet]

I raid with this mod on and so does a bunch of people that i know, and while yes, boss VFX does get bright, it's not to the point where it hurts visibility imo.
regardless, if you think that it's too much, you can always use another preset when raiding yeah.

[sand juniper]

Aight

When i'll play the game i'll use it full power

But told him what you said

[languid wave]

DICE also has the brightest highlights of all the tonemappers

[green zodiac]

I've used RTX HDR before, reno highlights seem quite a bit brighter, but i doubt its going to hurt more than party finder wipes.

[dense ivy]

i think it helps me see better

[winged nexus]

what display do you have

[winged nexus]

imo high average luminance is what causes pain

[tawdry maple]

lg 38wn95c

Dogshit contrast but brightness and colour volume are pretty decent

The thing does up to 700 nits full screen and that shit be bright when the boss blasts huge lasers

[green zodiac]

New Extreme Bloom 1 and 2 mech visibility is so ass...

[green zodiac]

That new Extreme is certainly very bright full frame. I've bumped the Blowout up to 65, will see how it goes today, everything seemed a bit too saturated with defaults.

[winged nexus]

yea on oled its less painful

because abl kicks in

[hidden thorn]

Never thought we'd be appreciating ABL 🙃

[green zodiac]

I think i've settled for this, not vomiting rainbow after new Extreme anymore and still looks good, but that's just me being used to a bit more grounded look. And yeah, good old LG C9 with only 800 nits and ABL, so i'm not strained by brightness.

[tawdry maple]

interesting, i've set everything to 50 basically

and wouldn't dare move exposure from the default

[green zodiac]

I might try Shadows instead of Exposure, this just seemed like a better contrast and dark visibility and less oversaturation to me.

[tawdry maple]

Now that you mention it, dark visibility is pretty bad on my screen

But i assumed that was due to my screen’s abysmal contrast

[languid wave]

https://youtu.be/fAhxR-gMU_U?si=IUzxIFWwE0G3Echo

[hidden thorn]

How are you guys setting up Special K + ReShade + RenoDX? I can get the first two working together but I can't seem to get RenoDX working.

[tawdry maple]

hahahahaha yeah no wonder i can barely see any detail in dark scenes

anything below 10% is clipped on this screen

[languid wave]

big oof

[green zodiac]

I just installed reshade with addons support, renamed dxgi.dll (iirc) it installs into game/ to ReShade64.dll, put renodx to reshade addons folder, then copied specialk64 dll to game/ and renamed it to dxgi.dll. On first launch configure specialk through ui to load reshade as a plugin, though my Lilium HDR analysis shader is broken probably due to that, and then at most on next launch you might need to specify addon folder in reshade ui.

[hidden thorn]

Ah, I hadn't tried putting renodx into the reshade addons folder. Silly me, I was trying to load it thorugh specialk. I'm gonna try that.

[hidden thorn]

I just can't get this to work. After following your steps, the game crashes every time I try to open the Special K UI.

[tawdry maple]

what would one use special k for in ffxiv? i've not used it since playing nier:automata in like... 2017/2018 so i'm prob way outdated on what it can do

[hidden thorn]

Though, maybe it's because I'm using Dalamud.

[hidden thorn]

Oh! I think I finally got it all working by increasing Dalamud's injection delay.

[green zodiac]

I'm just swapping DLSS, capping FPS and doing various other small stuff, thing is mighty convenient and not bothering me. Couldnt get REST to work, but i'm not using anything other than reno, so it doesnt bother me.

[hidden thorn]

No crashes yet, even when opening Special K's UI.

[green zodiac]

Also other games may benefit more, and global specialk install with reshade is clean and convenient. And tonemapped PNG screenshots superior to snipping tool, though I think reshade can do that too.

[tawdry maple]

ooh have fun!!

a friend of mine is there and she's sitting right in front of ben starr

alphinaud's va is also there

[tawdry maple]

and soken

[ocean zealot]

We need Distant Worlds RenoDX

Everything is clipped in SDR

[languid wave]

you better not be listening in SDR!

[ocean zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/one-peak-one-piece-one-piece-cry-its-so-peak-gif-13413926760013023520

Getting the audience to sing along

SEPHIROTH 😤

[stone mango]

Is there any way to use colorblind filters with RenoDX?

[languid wave]

do you normally use a Reshade for colorblind filters?

[stone mango]

Not yet, but I'm looking into it at the moment

[stone mango]

okay I've found the colorblind filter shader, thank you for the point in the right direction 🙏

[green zodiac]

Tidied up, you only need to either drop ReShade64.dll into game/, or load it through SK UI as a plugin, not both.
Still need to inject SK as dxgi.dll localy though, or at least I haven't found other way with XIVLauncher on top.

[tawdry maple]

how is the black floor offset applied? is it per-zone? it seems to have no effect in some areas, but does in others. why's that?

[ocean zealot]

RenoDX, some REST and all the 7.0 upgrades does wonders for this game

I tried to emulate FFXVI's bloom as best as I could

Wondering how I should split the donation? 50/50 to Ersh/Maple?

Ersh made the initial and Maple is currently supporting updates?

Im 260hrs into my alt and just about finishing up on SB post content. The amount of raids and side content I missed out on my first playthrough because I just powered through MSQ alone. Reno and all have elevated my experience stupendously

[pastel magnet]

Just donate to Ersh, he did most of the work.

[nocturne zealot]

when using renodx for ffxiv my screen looks very dim

it only starts looking okay when i push the game brightness all the way to 500, am i doing something wrong here or?

[tawdry maple]

sounds like your display might be doing tone mapping

[nocturne zealot]

i've set it to HGIG, i think it's the correct one to use?

[tawdry maple]

should be, yes

in-game gamma setting is at the default 50?

[vestal knoll]

Could I trouble you for the order and installation for this specific look? Looks stunning.

[ocean zealot]

Got back home, going to install a 5090 into my build then I can send over the reshade

Pretty much reshade + REST then the preset which I've been working on, consists of

Voosh's D93 shader
Two bloom shaders
FFXIV's xeGTAO shader
Lilum's grain and CAS

Perf cost is around 1.5ms at 4K and the whole thing is HDR compatible (no ITM via snoop's shader to utilise SDR shaders)

[ocean zealot]

Edited for 7.3

1. https://github.com/4lex4nder/ReshadeEffectShaderToggler-FFXIV but replace REST.ini with my version use this for 7.3 REST ini #1278435249025581066 message

2. I'm using Shortfuse's custom reshade #🧩renodx-dev message

3. Preset requires the following additional shaders

• MaxG2D/ReshadeSimpleHDRShaders
• PotatoFX
• Lilium's Shaders

4. REST / preset.inis get dropped in game's directory, FTCS.fx gets added to reshade-shaders/Shaders

Options

I use FTCS.fx for D93 (personal preference) might be too blue for you but I would give it a go

Bloom is being handled first by HDRBloom then by a separate bloom setup in pCamera. You can tweak settings there.

PCamera also adds subtle CA, you'll find it under Lens Imperfections - CA amount

UPDATED PRESET HERE for 7.3 - #1278435249025581066 message

Alexander mentions that REST requires DLAA or same resolution as monitor ratio as otherwise depth based shaders will have borked rendering. It doesnt happen on my end using DLSS Q 4K with the current preset setup. However, if you do add certain depth based effects like DOF, it will render to DLSS res not native

E.g that effect will be cornered on your screen

[languid wave]

autohdr?

[ocean zealot]

Not using it

Maybe I had it downloaded so it appears in the .ini

[languid wave]

is the game free to play? there's a couple of things that can be updated

[ocean zealot]

There is an unlimited free trial that goes up to Stormblood expansion

Game has paid latest expansion + sub otherwise

Wouldn't mind a D93 native shader to free up having to use FourTwentyColorSpace.fx

[frosty oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/vtuber-gervtuber-lullynya-lully-ffxiv-gif-9575835454422113281

[ocean zealot]

Free trial so good it scared ShortFuse into never replying back

He is completely flabbergasted

[languid wave]

brain broke

i have a ffxiv character, even made a dual shock controller mod for the game

so using the dualshock controller on PC would make the trackpad a mouse, just like playing on the PS4, at the time

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/25iwls/play_ffxiv_on_your_pc_with_dualshock_4_exactly/

https://tenor.com/view/so-old-gif-27277116

11 years ago

[ocean zealot]

Damn, my first experience with the game was the beta for PS4

But I never played the game properly until 2020

[south swallow]

11 years ago is just 2014

Why did i think its 2007?

Time is a myth

[heavy thicket]

@ocean zealot I'm trying out the config you posted and getting this: 12:13:59:412 [177628] | ERROR | Failed to compile 'C:\FFXIV\game\reshade-shaders\Shaders\lilium__hdr_and_sdr_analysis.fx' permutation: error: effect permutation defines different uniform variables (ABOVE_NITS_AS_BLACK, ACTIVE_AREA_CROP_BOTTOM, ACTIVE_AREA_CROP_LEFT, ACTIVE_AREA_CROP_RIGHT, ACTIVE_AREA_CROP_TOP, ACTIVE_AREA_ENABLE, BELOW_NITS_AS_BLACK, CIE_DIAGRAM_ALPHA, CIE_DIAGRAM_BRIGHTNESS, CIE_DIAGRAM_SIZE, CIE_DIAGRAM_TYPE, CIE_SHOW_GAMUT_BT709_OUTLINE, CIE_SHOW_GAMUT_OUTLINE_BT2020, CIE_SHOW_GAMUT_OUTLINE_DCI_P3, CIE_SHOW_GAMUT_POINTERS_OUTLINE, DRAW_ABOVE_NITS_AS_BLACK, DRAW_BELOW_NITS_AS_BLACK, ERROR_MESSAGE, FRAMETIME, HEATMAP_BRIGHTNESS, HEATMAP_CUTOFF_POINT, HIGHLIGHT_NIT_RANGE, HIGHLIGHT_NIT_RANGE_BRIGHTNESS, HIGHLIGHT_NIT_RANGE_END_POINT, HIGHLIGHT_NIT_RANGE_START_POINT, MOUSE_POSITION, NIT_PINGPONG0, NIT_PINGPONG1, NIT_PINGPONG2, SHOW_CIE, SHOW_CROSSHAIR_ON_CIE_DIAGRAM, SHOW_GAMUTS, SHOW_GAMUT_FROM_CURSOR, SHOW_GAMUT_MAP, SHOW_HEATMAP, SHOW_NITS_FROM_CURSOR, SHOW_NITS_VALUES, SHOW_RGB_OR_CLL, SHOW_WAVEFORM, TEXT_BG_ALPHA, TEXT_BRIGHTNESS, TEXT_POSITION, TEXT_SIZE, VALUES_UPDATE_RATE, WAVEFORM_ALPHA, WAVEFORM_BRIGHTNESS, WAVEFORM_CUTOFF_POINT, WAVEFORM_MODE, WAVEFORM_SHOW_MAX_NITS_LINE, WAVEFORM_SHOW_MIN_NITS_LINE, WAVEFORM_SIZE, WAVEFORM_TEXT_SIZE_ADJUST)

[twilit valve]

Need to use ReShade 6.3.X to avoid that error for now

[heavy thicket]

technical discords are so wild. i post an error message and the person who actually made it responds in like 2 minutes. i dont think ill ever get used to that

thanks

[ocean zealot]

You should see SK

Someone will post an issue with x game

Kal 5 mins later has a .DLL with 50 fixes

[heavy thicket]

this may be a dumb question, but where can i find old builds of reshade with addon support? the only 6.3.3 i can find refuses to load renodx because it has "limited support for addons"

i usually just spend hours digging through reddit and discord because i dont want to bother anyone 😄

[ocean zealot]

Do you specifically need HDR analysis? I'm only using Liliums CAS and grain for the preset

And those should work

With ShortFuse custom

[heavy thicket]

i have no idea, i was just following the directions in your post. i posted the error message and lilium told me i needed to downgrade so that is where i am now

i know very little about reshade, i just know i logged in for the first time since 7.2 dropped and it looked rough, so i came here

by rough i mean my old settings clearly weren't working with the new patch

[ocean zealot]

Right, that issue is only with HDR analysis shader

And you won't need it

The shader just fails to compile and you can't use it but all the other Liliums shaders will work

Someone might not want the CAS or grain shader anyways in which case you can just disable it

So long as the other shaders I mentioned for the preset compile and work

[heavy thicket]

ok cool, so it errored out but you weren't using it anyway so it doesnt matter, got it

thank you for the help!

[ocean zealot]

No problem

[last bloom]

Just to confirm.. is the look in the shadowed areas here normal? It looks weirdly.. "blotchy"(?) to me, can't really explain. Like as if there was a minimum brightness above 0 and then AO was filling in some darker bits?

Or maybe it's a gamma thing? Should I be using the sdr-in-hdr gamma fix with reno? I assumed not, so I'm not currently using it.

[ocean zealot]

in game gamma should be set to 50 otherwise reno will break, im not using any sort of other gamma shaders on my end

as for the shadowed areas, im not to sure what im supposed to be looking at. Appears to look like vanilla to me

[last bloom]

hmm

let me try something quickly

[ocean zealot]

shadowmaps can be low res in this game

you will have scenes where the shadows are blocky

bettershadows plugin recently got updated to allow +4096 shadowmap res but It has issues with shadow flickering in dungeons

[heavy thicket]

first impressions: i really like your settings so far, i did have to turn the bloom way down though.

[ocean zealot]

I luv me bloooooomm

[heavy thicket]

i can tell! not for me unfortunately

[ocean zealot]

I was going for FFXVI look and just eyeballing it. That's what I used as a reference

[last bloom]

okay, so I've discovered something

that image above looks perfectly fine on my LG B8

but not on my monitor, which is an XG27AQDMG

there's something weird going on with the grays on it

I noticed something similar in AC Shadows

see how blocky the left one is?

like it was ran through a posterization filter

pardon the poor phone photos

[flat laurel]

looks like low bit depth

check the bit depth setting in nvcp

[last bloom]

it should be 10bit with DSC, let me double check..

yeah

looks like I'm not the only one: https://www.reddit.com/r/OLED_Gaming/comments/1h2szjh/asus_glossy_woled_xg27aqdmg_huge_issue/

might just be an issue with this monitor in general

fun times 😛

thanks for the help troubleshooting all

[green zodiac]

@ocean zealot this cant be right, i think i broke something 🙂

[ocean zealot]

yep it is borked

weird, it shouldnt be happeneing with my posted REST.ini

unless the shaders are different for UI on your end 🤔

What happens is that HDRBloom really likes to BLOOOM out the entire screen if it is applied as is by default. Only by me targeting the shader to apply before game's UI does it look way better and manageable

Could you send a vid or some pics of your REST config via reshade menu?

[green zodiac]

Used your .ini, going through all of them would be a pain, dont bother.

Must be some problem with REST and Special K, i had crashes when i've tried using REST like that before, now it works... to some degree.

[ocean zealot]

Oh yh

[green zodiac]

I'll try without Special K later just to confirm.

[ocean zealot]

SK and REST don't work together

[green zodiac]

Oi, PF full, time to get killed by Yan.

[ocean zealot]

Yh, the preset needs REST as a hard requirement to render GTAO before UI and to stop bloom from being mega blown out

If I disable UI group, the bloom will mess up

[pastel magnet]

https://tenor.com/view/ffxiv-yan-squirrel-m6s-adds-gif-3202993476464740027

[green zodiac]

I'll just stick to Reno and some CAS and Filmgrain, these are fine without REST. Don't like straying too far from the original anyway and i like Special K clean install and stuff.

[green zodiac]

No job adjustments and no M6S nerfs - sad day, I doubt people in PF will get better at such joggle, going to give it a month or so and quit i guess.
I've been raiding since 2.0 and never felt so gatekept (well, I did skip most of HW and SB raids, but cleared everything in ARR, ShB and EW).

[hollow cloud]

Cleavemax

[green zodiac]

That's the only strat PF uses, but it's still an unsurmountable wall for 90% of parties 🙂

[hollow cloud]

Yea no I feel that haha

[green zodiac]

But somehow me and my friend found a group that had 3 people who already cleared and we're finaly out of that hell.

[hollow cloud]

Unfortunately my group started the grind this week haha, I can see how adds can be a problem for PF. But everything's a problem for PF haha

[amber fern]

juust installed this mod for the first time. is there any way to fix the dalamud UI stuff from being very dull and washed out? discord search is useless for finding out a fix

[dense ivy]

https://www.nexusmods.com/finalfantasy14/mods/2326 has instructions here

[bright basalt]

I downloaded it today and I'm currently using the default values. Everything looks pretty... underwhelming. Doesn't feel like anything gets particularly bright. The only changes I noticeably see are from saturation and shadow tweaks, stuff like that

Turning game brightness up makes it look more like what I expect, but then the sky is blown out like crazy

It's honestly so subtle that it hardly feels like HDR so much as a subtle shader

[bright basalt]

hey das me

yeah I'll probably delete that in a bit

[flat laurel]

riperoni

[bright basalt]

Didn't realize there was a discord where I could get help

[flat laurel]

nah dont delete

better to post an edit saying what you changed

for other users thinking the same thing

[bright basalt]

sure I'll do that

[languid wave]

HDR is not more saturation and more contrast. HDR is increasing the output limits from ~200 nits upto 10000.

[flat laurel]

ya

any other changes are personal preference

we usually keep default settings similar to how it originally looked

[languid wave]

You can add more contrast and saturation to SDR as well.

[flat laurel]

and let users change things as they see fit

[bright basalt]

I only got my monitor last week, and I've tried a few games. Native Halo Infinite, Reno for Oblivion, RTX HDR something I forget, and they all had the trend of making sunlight really feel like bright sunlight

[flat laurel]

I gotta start adding recommended settings for more of my mods

[bright basalt]

But in XIV it still feels dim across the board, aside from glowing plants

So idk what would be best to achieve that

sunlit-terrain, I should say

[languid wave]

Both Cyberpunk and Oblivion have contrasty filmic looks. (Cyberpunk more)

This is still, ultimately a PS3 era game, so it's pretty tame.

You can ramp contrast and saturation to probably get the look you're looking for

And, assuming you have a pretty decent peak nits display, it will get brighter without clipping, something you can't* do with SDR's limits

[bright basalt]

Interesting. I just kind of assumed HDR = sunlit stuff will be poppingly bright

I'm only using TB400, but I like the effect

I'll try out the contrast slider later tonight

[languid wave]

unfortunately a lot of games don't have realistic brightness for suns. they're notoriously weak because they don't actually emit real light on the environment. suns can be like 400 nits and then a light in the 1000s, it makes no sense. that's more on how the game is designed. they were never intended to be seen outside of SDR

[bright basalt]

Ahh, I gotcha. Big misunderstanding on my part

[languid wave]

we've had to mod games before to fix suns specifically. it's a common problem actually. not sure that's something that can be done in this game. i do plan on updating the mod in a few weeks

[bright basalt]

I didn't even consider that'd have to be fixed manually sometimes

[pastel magnet]

The sun is actually bright on this game?

[ocean zealot]

Depends on what content and scenes you are viewing. Go to any Allagan location, gold saucer, just about any dungeon

The vanilla SDR clip is There are details that I thought the game never had that now reveal themselves with Reno

azys lla has hexagonal forcefields that I didnt know had actual depth and multiple colours inside

with SDR its just a solid single colour

[flat laurel]

stealing that emoji

[ocean zealot]

Its too funny to use

Just about any relic weapon reveals all sorts of patterns and colours that you cant see with SDR clamping everything

[pastel magnet]

One thing to keep in mind is that the default settings aim for a vanilla+ look, and this game was not made with a contasty-filmic look, in fact, this game by default doesn't even have a tonemapper and just did saturate() on the final image.
If you are coming from a reshade preset that significantly altered the look of the game, you are not going to get that from renodx out of the box.

[green zodiac]

If anything, the default felt oversaturated to me, coming from SDR, then PS5 auto HDR, then RTX HDR. Settled on dropping everything aside from Contrast to 50 and feels the way it should and highlights definitely pop.

[bright basalt]

Your sun looks drastically different from mine. Weird. Starting to wonder if my windows hdr profile is somehow messed up

[pastel magnet]

What is your in-game gamma correction setting set to?

[bright basalt]

49

can't get it to hit 50 because it skips to 51

[green zodiac]

That's weird but Reno works only with 50.

Try setting to 50 with bare game and then switching Reshade back?

I don't know what could possibly make the game skip 50 though.

[bright basalt]

idk my gamma slider in xiv always does increments of 2

it's very annoying

[green zodiac]

Try going from 0 🙂 Worst case can try editing system config file, maybe it's plain.

[bright basalt]

does it being 49 really stop it from properly working, though?

[green zodiac]

Yep.

Herre it is.

[bright basalt]

waoao

I'll give it a shot

Thanks

[pastel magnet]

it does

it's stupid

I don't know why but there is a shader that isn't getting properly replaced by renodx and i didn't have the time to debug it

it needs to be exactly at 50 or else it applies gamma correction and breaks HDR

[bright basalt]

damn...

I feel dumb now

[pastel magnet]

well it is written on the nexus page that you need gamma correction to be at 50

[bright basalt]

yeaaah but I figured that was just a ballpark figure, not a "it must be this exact number or it breaks" thing

[winged nexus]

control click

nvm

[ocean zealot]

so this whole time Reno wasn't working as expected

Rip but now you've fixed it

[craggy nexus]

so I'm new to this stuff, and I'm on hdr 400 true black but I have to set it to 900 peak brightness before the game starts looking right... is this the correct/intended solution or am I being dumb?

[spare mango]

Just trying this out for the first time now. It says some values are tweaked from the defaults, so what are the defaults? I'd like to see for myself and see what I prefer.

[craggy nexus]

i think i had game brightness too high, turning it down to default made 400 look correct

[green zodiac]

I just got a G5 and not sure this is healthy for my dark room 😂 Peak 1960, game 340, coming from 780/172.

[tawdry maple]

Why game at 340?

[green zodiac]

ITU mid-gray for 2000 peak is 343.

[languid wave]

probably fine at 300 tbh, but your eyes adapt regardless

[green zodiac]

Yeah, certainly will take some time getting used to or adjusting, either by sliders, or maybe by turning down OLED pixel brightness on TV.

[winged nexus]

or you could keep it at 172

[green zodiac]

Maybe, i'll see how it goes next time i boot it up and get stuck waiting for PF. 1960/172 would make for some crazy range probably.

Its definitely not a universal issue, like have been said before - game is old, i guess.

Here is CO with 1960/340:

[twilit valve]

I would keep it at 100 🙂

[green zodiac]

You know what, i always followed 780/172 before, but now i'll think i'll try default 203 or maybe even 100 indeed...

Even in CO 1960 and 203 or 100 looks good to me, will have to run around more, but for my dark room 300+ is kinda crazy bright.

[flat laurel]

300 paper white is insanely bright

Only makes sense if you’re playing in a brightly lit room

A lot of people use the shit ass ABL modes on the OLED monitors

So I guess 300 makes sense in that context

[green zodiac]

Feels so good... I think I'm sticking with that from now on.

[green zodiac]

I'd imagine it would make a lot more sense in a bright room, but i love my blackout curtains.

[flat laurel]

I usually find 100 good for a dark room

[tawdry maple]

I thought the formula caps out at 203, and is only applicable to screens that do not get particularly bright

[green zodiac]

But hell no, running 100 now, so easy on the eyes, in more ways than one.

I doubt +.1 gamma is going to make a big difference, but haven't tried it.

[twilit valve]

It has no upper cap.
the more I think about how the number is derived, the more I dislike it

[tawdry maple]

Interesting, I’m running my games at 203 and 1480 for my G4, and I don’t feel like the 203 should go any higher than that

[spare mango]

What are the differences between the Tone Mapper settings, Vanilla, None, and DICE?

I am pretty new to all this, so sorry if that's a nebulous question.

[winged nexus]

Vanilla just clamps(how it looks in sdr)

None is unclamped without any tonemapping

so the game will get as bright as it can

dice is a tonemapper

display mapper*

[spare mango]

Hmm, alright. And tone mapping/display mapping is what in this context? Is it further manual tweaks to get brightness levels looking as they should? I assume it's totally seperate from color grading.

[rugged terrace]

Any recommended presets for FFXIV that are compatible with RenoDX?

[green zodiac]

Can try this.
I myself use just Lilium RCAS and Filmgrain.

[ocean zealot]

^

Screenshots here

[nova tangle]

Other than UI Brightness, dragging the other sliders has no effect. What might be causing this, and what should I do to fix it?

[green zodiac]

System Configuration - Display gamma must be 50, or Reshade not in Compatibility mode if loaded through SK.

[hollow cloud]

Just gonna say, if you're having trouble with vibrancy of the game, before you rely on reshade, or a saturation slider, try Gamut expansion.

Gamut expansion is a lot more subtle because it doesn't have the same overreaching effect on things like skin tones, but colors and details you'd expect more saturation on look vibrant and pleasing to the eyes.

[faint oracle]

Is it recommended to use the version from the nexus page or the snapShot from https://github.com/clshortfuse/renodx/wiki/Mods ?

[ocean zealot]

generally, updating to Nexus is a chore so Github updates are more frequent and up to date

Nexus version for instance doesnt work with Reshade +6.5, where as the snapshot from April does

[steel owl]

Just reformatted my PC and have a fresh FF14/Reshade/RenoDX install and my game is super oversaturated, even when RenoDX is set to "Off" in its settings.

No other shaders running in Reshade.

Ah, nvm, just saw the bit about needing the Github snapshot for 6.5+

[ocean zealot]

That and make sure in game gamma is set to 50

[ocean zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/volunteer-you-i-volunteer-as-tribute-katniss-everdeen-jennifer-lawrence-hunger-games-gif-16658723

[novel kelp]

Does this work with GShade??

[pastel magnet]

does gshade even support addons?

regardless, i don't/won't support it.

[novel kelp]

It has an Add-Ons tab. Yes

I got Reno to go into it. But the sliders don't appear to work correctly.

[pastel magnet]

is your gamma correction set to exactly 50?

[novel kelp]

yes

[pastel magnet]

and note that most shaders don't support rendering in HDR and won't work.

[novel kelp]

The UI slider is the only one that does anything and it changes the brightness of the whole game.

I made sure that the game is running in windowed mode.

[pastel magnet]

well it's broken then

as i said, i won't support gshade, sorry.

[novel kelp]

That is fine.
Was just more wondering.
I'll try to switch over to ReShade tomorrow. Too late now. ^^

[stone hearth]

maybe it's been asked before but I'm curious, why not disable the gamma slider?

[ocean zealot]

Yoshi P will personally haunt your house

Maple disabled the gamma slider

[novel kelp]

He makes the same face when you ask them to add HDR to the game too.

[ocean zealot]

They did it for FF16

And it's good

No excuses

But the current bloom shader needs a rewrite

It is soo bad

[fossil crypt]

idk why but i replaced the shader and it worked for me, the slider would be properly ignored, but not for maple

i suspect something is weird about it
maybe it works different after you tweak it ingame vs after game restart or something

[novel kelp]

I switched to ReShade and RenoDX still isn't working right.

Latest ReShade version
Latest Mod build from Github

Nevermind.... had to be in Windowed. Not Borderless Window.....

[novel kelp]

Are there any shaders that work with RenoDX that people suggest?

[ocean zealot]

REST and xeGTAO work

I have a preset that I made that I linked here

Reworked it recently so the settings are more subtle, less bloom, less CA, xeGTAO is more tasteful but I haven't uploaded it yet

#1278435249025581066 message

#1278435249025581066 message

Really though, we need ShortFuse to rework all the internal shaders

And redo the grading

Vanilla bloom is ass

And add some nice GI

[novel kelp]

What do you need REST for? Isn't it just so you can toggle shaders on and off?

[ocean zealot]

REST is used to render Reshade effects before in game shaders

Otherwise if you use xeGTAO, GI and so on it will render on top

Causing fog bleeding

Or rendering on top of UI

[novel kelp]

Oh, interesting. So it does more than just the shader toggle feature then. Didn't know that.

[languid wave]

that's like a renodx one-liner in code

[ocean zealot]

In regards to? Being able to use Reno to do RESTs job?

[languid wave]

yes

what's the shader you're targetting with REST?

iirc, the hashes are crc32, so they match renodx hashes

[stone hearth]

I think you need to convert to hex iirc but yeah it's the same otherwise

[ocean zealot]

I'll need to check at home

[proper jewel]

Isn't FFXIV REST config more complicated than that though? As far as I know it's not just about shader target, but also pulling some data from the game (to be re-used by ReShade.fx).

[stone hearth]

what is this one line, hypothetically 👀

[ocean zealot]

Alex did do more I believe, since xeGTAO work with Reno

But his xeGTAO fork isnt HDR10 compatible?

[languid wave]

more like 5

auto* data = renodx::utils::data::Get<renodx::utils::swapchain::DeviceData>(cmd_list->get_device());
if (data == nullptr) return true;
const std::shared_lock lock(data->mutex);
for (auto* runtime : data->effect_runtimes) {
  runtime->render_effects(cmd_list, rtv0, rtv0);
}

assuming it's the rtv

it's OnCustomGammaDrawn in oblivion remastered

[ocean zealot]

He's also doing some additional xeGTAO pass for decals

[languid wave]

oblivion remastered also has an optional r11g11b10f=>rgba16f main render upgrade option, so it's not just that in that function

[proper jewel]

Yea I think he pulls and uses normals and stuff from the game. Also some special stuff with decals & water maybe?

[languid wave]

xeGTAO should be done when the game does AO, which is usually not on the render itself, but like a black and white version

[proper jewel]

Oof that config

[ocean zealot]

He hasn't updated that for 7.2 yet

[languid wave]

(integer).toString(16) in your browser

[ocean zealot]

I had to retarget shaders again

To work with 7.2

[stone hearth]

so this would just go into dllmain and what, replace rtv0 with the hash?

[languid wave]

`
ShaderHash0=367008326
ShaderHash1=261866633
ShaderHash2=4158341598
ShaderHash3=2455613235
ShaderHash4=1332475019
ShaderHash5=4084183368
ShaderHash6=2809089175
ShaderHash7=1983890234
ShaderHash8=1464256434
ShaderHash9=2025719463
ShaderHash10=413202513
ShaderHash11=460791914
ShaderHash12=2294943294
ShaderHash13=331516824
ShaderHash14=1964475649
ShaderHash15=3261677874
ShaderHash16=3930188368
ShaderHash17=2820232588
ShaderHash18=1853137649
`.split('\n').filter(Boolean).map((line) =>
  '0x' + Number.parseInt(line.split('=')[1]).toString(16).padStart(8,'0'))

['0x15e01a46', '0x0f9bc489', '0xf7db41de', '0x925daf33', '0x4f6bf48b', '0xf36fb148', '0xa76f4c97', '0x763fc33a', '0x5746c7b2', '0x78be06a7', '0x18a0f851', '0x1b77206a', '0x88ca0e3e', '0x13c28b98', '0x75178501', '0xc2694132', '0xea41ea50', '0xa819558c', '0x6e74a2f1']

[proper jewel]

These would be the Normals I think

[Group1]
Name=Normals

[languid wave]

basically an on shader draw callback, you don't have to mod a shader to hook on its draw. then on draw, tell reshade to use that as the runtime effect

but REST is more involved because you can pick what effects for what effect group

for just under UI, it's almost always the shader you are already modding to call RenderIntermediatePass on

[stone hearth]

my use case right now is for metro, where a bad fxaa decomp has left me forced to disable it entirely (I need the shader to remove their problematic dither code). So I want to add a reshade hook point for smaa/fxaa

though metro has more pressing problems...

[fossil crypt]

i considered adding rest-like functionality to the mod at one point but decided not to, as REST has potentially more uses than just rendering before UI and I'd just cause unnecessary conflicts

[languid wave]

doing reshade way is expensive though

i eventually have to abstract the same concept, but you have to save state, set custom vertex and pixel shaders, draw, then revert state

[stone hearth]

REST is stupidly cool, I'm genuinely shocked there aren't more people building REST profiles for games. I figured it would basically replace ENB.

[languid wave]

like we need one for when the game wants to do rgba8u => rgba16f via copy, i'm supposed to save state, set custom vertex and blit pixel shader, draw, then revert back

the only custom one we have is swapchain proxy

reshade has all of these shaders for that blitting

[pastel magnet]

We tried, it doesn't work for some reason

Or well the shader only get replaced for some people, but not everyone

[stone hearth]

so strange

[languid wave]

exclusive fullscreen stuff?

[proper jewel]

I had something similar happen with Guild Wars 2, turned out to be caused by some outdated d3dcompiler_47.dll in game folder.
File was since removed so fresh installs don't have it, but older installs would still have it causing ReShade to see a different hash.
This might not happen anymore with latest ReShade as it now ignores local compiler.dlls.

[pastel magnet]

I don't think so, both me and ersh had the game set to borderless fullscreen

[pastel magnet]

Interesting, the game itself doesn't ship d3dcompiller but the plugin loader (Dalamud) does

🤔

[ocean zealot]

oof Dalamudoids in shambles

[stone hearth]

that certainly would explain some people having the problem

[pastel magnet]

just tested the game without dalamud and the issue still happens there

[pastel magnet]

I figured out the issue now, and i'm very stupid, i'm sorry for not noticing this earlier

It is very strange though

the shader was getting replaced correctly

for some reason, the game RTV was b8g8r8a8_unorm when i had the gamma correction setting enabled in-game

normally, the game RTV is r8g8b8a8_unorm

since there wasn't an upgrade to b8g8r8a8_unorm -> r16g16b16a16_float, we were getting clamped by the unorm.

[pastel magnet]

now my following question is: why the hell does it do that?

and when did it start doing that

because i pulled an earlier client from my archive

and it didn't do that!

[stone hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-gif-21179057

honestly surprised you noticed it at all

uh, that sounds like it could be an insult and it's not lol

so strange to change the resource

[fossil crypt]

so weird lol

[dusty escarp]

I’m back in my ff14 era, newest RenoDX no longer works with Special K as far as I can tell?

[trim cargo]

Load it as Reshade64 dll, should work with SKIF

[dusty escarp]

Yeah I have done that, local reshade injection, SKIF injection of SK. It works with Reshade, but not if RenoDX is loaded

Specifically the newer RenoDX versions for ff14

[pastel magnet]

I don't know, I don't use Special K with FFXIV because it destroys performance

[trim cargo]

Did you try resetting SK config? I'm running SK + Reshade + Dalamud with SK loading Reshade and somehow it works without doing anything special. Before I could even load Reshade normally but yeah some SK update broke that.

[trim cargo]

Curious what you mean by that, just a performance hit?

Thought I also had issues with SK and FFXIV, sometimes SK limiter just halves my FPS for no reason.

[dusty escarp]

I’ve seen the "DLSS Fix" for ff14 from Nexus Mods also offers an FPS limiter via Reflex

I use that now

(if you open the optiscaler.ini you can set it there, apparently ff14 now uses reflex?)

[dusty escarp]

But are you using RenoDX?

[trim cargo]

Yeah, only thing I'm using Reshade for

[dusty escarp]

I have to say, FF14 with DLAA is

DLAA + RenoDX even more so of course

[ocean zealot]

Nah

Pre 7.0 FXAA + shimmering was where it is at

When I went to Distant Worlds concert and they pulled out some pre 7.0 footage I couldn't with the shimmering

[dusty escarp]

If you compare that with post 7.0 without DLSS mod it’s probably the same

Before I installed the DLSS mod I used FSR because it was easier on the eyes

DLSS implementation in vanilla ff14 not really good

[winged nexus]

with a shit ton of random reshade effects

and fsr 1 at 99%

[fiery sentinel]

Im going to hurt you

Never ever say FXAA and where its at again

[ocean zealot]

BlurTM + still shimmers

Can't get more peak than that

[fiery sentinel]

I hate FXAA

[ocean zealot]

Also the z-fighting in pre 7.0 is abysmal

[fiery sentinel]

The people over at r/fucktaa need to remember thats the alternative

[novel kelp]

I'd rather have smaa or msaa

[fiery sentinel]

Try running those on consoles lmao

[novel kelp]

That's great for consoles. But why do PC gamers have to be pulled down with them? Never used to be like that.

[ocean zealot]

SMAA is a meme and will do nothing for shader or material authored shimmering

MSAA is going to be same albiet help with geometric aliasing

so both are rip

[fiery sentinel]

Also not got like any temporal stuff for certain effects

[novel kelp]

The blurriness bothers me more than the shimmer.

[ocean zealot]

[fiery sentinel]

You haven't played a game with bad shimmer

Try satisfactory :3

Actually horrific shimmer

[novel kelp]

🤷 idk. But I've played a ton with bad TAA.

[fiery sentinel]

Blurriness with TAA isnt normally too bad, ghosting can be atrocious

[novel kelp]

RDR2 was literally unplayable when it came out on PC. Luckily they eventually added a sharpness slider much later.

And you couldn't even turn off TAA in that game because shadows were broken without it.

[fiery sentinel]

^

Lumen without/with

[novel kelp]

Luckily DLSS is in more and more games these days. Which means that DLAA can be used as an alternative to poor TAA implementations.

[winged nexus]

I mean any game nowadays is going to be a mess without taa...

[dusty escarp]

I think the RenoDX mod has a smol little issue with this gauge bar of the monk (you can only see it when the background is white/bright enough)

How would you go about fixing such an issue? Maybe I can contribute if I see something like this

(the box disappears when I set the tonemapper in RenoDX to Vanilla)

[dusty escarp]

Huh, the bright enough part is interesting. It’s nearly like this HUD element is not running in an upgraded layer or something like that

[steel owl]

I remember when 7.0 first came out a lot of HUD elements had that issue with ReShade, you needed to configure REST correctly to correct it.

[pastel magnet]

Known issue, not really possible to fix on renodx side

Simple gauges are not affected, if it bothers you that much

[pastel magnet]

(or well, to be more precise, fixing it would break other things since that's caused by a generic shader)

Those UI elements are weird and have a imagenode with no texture as a background, which caused blending issues in HDR.

Only the monk and the astrologian job gauges are affected by this

[novel kelp]

Is there any way to fix it?

[pastel magnet]

As i said earlier, not really.

[novel kelp]

I get not with Reno. But like can REST or anything salvage it?

[pastel magnet]

no.

REST can't do anything about this, it can only disable shaders or allow you to render effects before or after a shader

disabling this shader would just uh, break UI rendering entirely

because it's a shader used for drawing UI components

[novel kelp]

RIP 🪦

[dusty escarp]

Thanks for the info! I think I can live with it

[trim cargo]

You know what, now I can't boot it either lmao

Something broke with SK updates probably

[dusty escarp]

[novel kelp]

Something isn't working right here

[trim cargo]

Using DLSS Preset K? It doesn't like fog effects.

[novel kelp]

Preset J. And I don't remember having this issue before.

[trim cargo]

J is also transformer, I'm pretty sure that's the cause. I had that issue and switching to F with DLAA fixed it for me.

And Reno doesn't cause it, happens even in SDR.

[novel kelp]

Hmmm... I'll try a different preset later and see if that gets ris of it.

[novel kelp]

I tried preset F.
The issue was gone. But the shimmer one reflective objects was crazy. Hmmm...

[tawdry maple]

It’s caused by DLSS presets J and K, it’s somewhat more subtle with K

It happens every time bright light flashes in the game. It can be distracting but I still live with it myself because the anti aliasing is worlds better than CNN

[trim cargo]

If you are doing upscaling you should probably use E, F is for DLAA and Ultra Performance. For me F with DLAA still looks nice, yeah K has better AA and looks sharper, but until Nvidia fix the fog issues I'll still with CNN.

The issue occurs in other games like MH Wilds, but in this game is straight up looks broken

[novel kelp]

I'm using K for now. Will see how it goes.
The shimmer of F is a much larger problem imo because it is on the screen 100% of the time. VS the artifacts that K cause.

But it's all subjective. Point being no matter what you have to live with one issue or another it seems.

[novel kelp]

Reinstalled reshade and Reno.
Plugin refuses to hook the game for some reason. Only UI Brightness is doing anything.
No matter if I go fullscreen, window or borderless. Only the UI slider does anything. (And it changes whole game brightness)

[pastel magnet]

What other plugins/mods are you using? And send a reshade log.

[novel kelp]

No plugins or mods. Will get a log here

That log was with fullscreen. Getting another

@pastel magnet

[pastel magnet]

Do you have any shaders enabled in ReShade?

[novel kelp]

No. Nothing.

The loaded ones in the log are the defaults. But none are on

[novel kelp]

Am guessing that the log didn't tell you much?

Wow, are you kidding me?....
Somehow the game switched from DLSS to FSR. I didn't do it so not sure why that changed.
Is working now.

GG. Thanks for the help.

[tranquil dome]

Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t the creator of G shade get into a petty argument with someone and proceeded to put malware into future releases?

[pastel magnet]

yes, they did do that.

[tawdry maple]

That was why I ended up with preset K too

Its AA is almost perfect while CNN looks super blurry

[tawdry maple]

Well, shimmering with preset F, and blurriness and ghosting with preset E (despite decent AA otherwise)

CNN ghosting in this game is crazy

[stone hearth]

does DLSS in this game use autoexposure?

if it doesn't, try forcing it on, might clear up most of the issues with transformer models

[ocean zealot]

nvm I am dumb

Thought this was FF15 not FF14

[pastel magnet]

i never noticed shimmering with preset F 🤔

but also, are you all using the dynamic resolution scaler, or overriding the resolution with OptiScaler/DLSSTweaks?

[novel kelp]

Overriding with inspector and forcing 100% DLAA

[trim cargo]

Also depends on resolution I guess, at 4K DLAA with Preset F looks clean to me

But I played this game for years when it only had FXAA, so anything looks good in comparison

Also no forcing auto exposure and HDR flags doesn't fix the issues with transformer

[novel kelp]

That could be a contributor.
I play at 2k res.

[novel kelp]

Is there a good ReShade sharpen filter that works with HDR?

[trim cargo]

Optiscaler RCAS by far the best

Otherwise I think Lilium HDR shaders also has it

[novel kelp]

I find Lilium CAS a bit weak. At least for 14. I liked using Fast Sharpen. But idk if it works with HDR.

[novel kelp]

Is there a reason why peak nits would be going higher than my peak setting?

[pastel magnet]

that shouldn't happen, are you using any shaders?

because if you are running any shaders, it should go without saying, but shaders usually run after RenoDX and won't respect your peak brightness, if it even runs in HDR at all.

[novel kelp]

Only the Lilium RCAS one. That's it.

Seems that RCAS was the issue. Very strange.

[flat laurel]

sharpening causing peak to go over is fine

Its not actually visible

[novel kelp]

kk. never seen that before. Usually just use Nvidia sharpen (Old). But I don't find it very effective in 14.
Thanks ^^

[hollow thorn]

hiii~ i wanted to ask about this.. when i use renodx on ff14, colorbanding pretty much entirely goes away. while my display does support vesa displayhdr 1000, and has over 300 dimming zones (VA panel+miniled backlight), its tonemapping is rather poor, and id rather use sdr. is there a way to get those perfectly smooth gradients from this rendodx mod into ff14 sdr?

[hollow thorn]

as for my display's hdr performance.. the nits themselves are fantastic, but the colors are very very dull and desaturated in hdr

[novel kelp]

You try using the Debanding shader in ReShade?

[hollow thorn]

i like to avoid those because they arent really solving the core problem (lack of color depth somewhere along the rendering pipeline) and can affect other parts of the image in unintended ways

ff14's sdr color banding is bad enough that i dont think a debanding shader would help much

[winged nexus]

technically yes, but in its current state probably no

[pearl valve]

maybe the SDR mode is very saturated by default (which is common for LCDs)

[stone hearth]

Yes, just set 80 nit peak and paper white

Might need to play with tonemapping a bit though

[hollow thorn]

ill give it a try 🙂

may be worth adding an "SDR" preset for those such as i that want the other benefits of renodx? similar to cyberpunk's renodx mod, i suppose

[hollow thorn]

unsure. might be

[pastel magnet]

That sounds...very strange for a display.
Either your SDR mode is oversaturated (which I think is the likely option) or there's something really wrong with the HDR implementation in your monitor.
If you want extra saturation in HDR, the windows HDR calibration tool allows you to boost saturation in a color profile.

[hollow thorn]

yeh i already calibrated. as for whether or not my monitor is oversaturated on sdr.. is there a way to tell?

[novel kelp]

idk what kind of monitor it is. But I know that the HDR of my BenQ 600nit is trash and is washed out. (and dark areas are too dark) So I don't use it.

[hollow thorn]

its certainly not oversaturated to me; perhaps slightly too red (some skin tones look much more red than they should be), but not too far off from my pixel 9 pro display

[hollow thorn]

AOC Q27G3XMN

[novel kelp]

It should have pretty good HDR. Unless something isn't set right.

[pearl valve]

yes I can confirm that this monitor's SDR is very saturated

[novel kelp]

Or you are just too used to over saturated colors.

[hollow thorn]

looks great :)

[hollow thorn]

i suppose that could be the case xD

[pearl valve]

I am using it, you can increase the saturation slider a bit

[hollow thorn]

what do you suggest?

[pearl valve]

maybe 60

[hollow thorn]

this is the renodx settings i use in hdr

sat was 55

[novel kelp]

Did you calibrate your monitor's brightness in Windows?

[hollow thorn]

ye

i got 1110 peak

i double and triple checked, kept getting the same number XD

[languid wave]

HDR should look the same as SDR except for brightness. If SDR looks more colorful then there's a calibration error

[hollow thorn]

"should probably be 980 if you dont want to clip"
even tho the windows calibration thing showed a noticeable different between 1110 and 1000?

[novel kelp]

You can't really go by that unless you have HGIG.

[hollow thorn]

yeh sdr is a lot more colorful. well, when i have color gamut set to "panel native"

[languid wave]

Then that's wrong

[novel kelp]

I'd maybe set to 1000 based off this

[hollow thorn]

unfortunately the other two options - srgb and dci-p3 - look abysmal lol

[languid wave]

Panel native means throw out any attempt to be aligned to sRGB/bt709 and use whatever the hardware is built with.

[hollow thorn]

im sure myname can corroborate lol

fair enough

[languid wave]

Like whatever red LED is, that's the red your get, without any concern or care for standards or colorspaces

[hollow thorn]

ah got it

[languid wave]

Also means that can vary based on panels, even if you find somebody with the same model.

"Uncalibrated", basically

[hollow thorn]

strange considering with those numbers, in the windows hdr calibration tool, i can clearly make out squares and lines with this page set to 1000

[pastel magnet]

There is value for an SDR mode for this mod in particular, since the game doesn't have a real tonemapper and just clips to 1, but I don't know if RGBA16 swapchains are considered legal for SDR

[languid wave]

scRGB works in HDR, you can use it for 10bit SDR out

[novel kelp]

Just stick with what you have then. Partly why I deleted my msg. (though not fast enough XP )

[hollow thorn]

it becomes a solid white square to my eyes around 1100 nits

[languid wave]

scRGB has legitimate uses in SDR (fun fact, used to be called RGB64)

[hollow thorn]

roughly

[pastel magnet]

I did know about that, but most of the Microsoft documentation only talks about scRGB swapchains in the context of HDR, so I wasn't certain if it was legal in SDR.

Especially because scRGB HDR kind of breaks the actual scRGB spec

[hollow thorn]

i appreciate the lack of color banding it allows for -w-

[pearl valve]

I tested Final Fantasy XV (not FFXIV) and setting the monitor to srgb mode looks almost the same with the HDR mod (except there is no highlight), after I reduced the brightness to match the HDR paper white (which is difficult)

[languid wave]

It came out at the same time as sRGB itself. sRGB is IEC1966.2-1 and scRGB is 2-2 (been researching it lately)

[hollow thorn]

ah, well, at least the srgb profile is calibrated well XD but its certainly not bright enough for my liking

anyways, thank you for all the help ❤️

[pearl valve]

we still recommend to use HDR because you can see the highlight details 🙏

[hollow thorn]

i increased the saturation of the windows profile and its a lot less dull looking to me now

[languid wave]

You should be able to get more color in HDR with saturation sliders in the game. Uncalibrated/native is semi-random whereas the other others have some rules to them

[hollow thorn]

ill see if i like hdr or not after playing with it some more

im quite partial to these settings, myself :3

whats the purpose of blowout and hue correction? why would i want those?

[languid wave]

I don't know how hue correction works here, but you can bump saturation and use blowout to avoid highlights looking unnaturally oversaturated

It's a balance between the two

[hollow thorn]

okie

god the gold saucer looks incredible in hdr

[pastel magnet]

renodx::color::correct::Hue(color, renodx::tonemap::uncharted2::BT709(untonemapped), injectedData.hueCorrectionStrength);

[hollow thorn]

What hue is it correcting?

Like, is the game too yellow? Too green?

[languid wave]

Likely related to the sliders you're pushing (contrast mostly)

[hollow thorn]

Its rather vague

[languid wave]

Blue can appear purplish at times when working in linear/bt709

[hollow thorn]

O

thank you for the infor about my panel color gamut setting :3 i switched it to srgb and bumped the brightness back up to 100 and colors look a lot less saturated and imo more natural <3

[pearl valve]

brightness 100 is about 500 - 600 paper white in HDR, so when you play with HDR you will notice the drop in brightness

but its not a bad thing

[hollow thorn]

i play in a well lit room so a dimmer display is a little bothersome

but i also know that increasing "Game brightness" increases paper white in an unfavorable way for true hdr, reducing the headroom for brighter highlights.. so i used exposure instead to make it more up to what i prefer in brightness

for hdr

[languid wave]

They're mostly the same, but minor technical differences. Exposure is before snapping the photo whereas game brightness is like when printing to paper. Exposure will eventually be modified by contrast, but game brightness won't

[hollow thorn]

oooh okie

even after switching sdr to srgb, i find i much prefer sdr with renodx than hdr for ff14 ^^;

[languid wave]

Exposure is more like how your eyes/camera see light, and game brightness is more how your display/environment show it

[hollow thorn]

it may just be that im not fond of how ff14 looks in hdr XD

[languid wave]

When you say SDR, do you mean unmodded?

[hollow thorn]

yes, or with renodx set to uhhh these settings

[pastel magnet]

the default settings of the mod are virtually how the vanilla game looks in SDR with highlights lol

[hollow thorn]

and with windows' hdr disabled

[hollow thorn]

yeh :c i find that the default settings are much much much too dull and drab for my liking

[languid wave]

I'm not sure how None works here. Does DICE not work with 80/80/80?

[hollow thorn]

not to mention that in gameplay, some things being brighter than others can be quite distracting vs. the display being a continuous brightness

[hollow thorn]

it works just fine, just looks a lil different

i prefer none to dice

sec and i show diff

[pastel magnet]

you just want stuff to clip to 1?

[hollow thorn]

idk what 1 is

[languid wave]

Actually since you're on SDR and there's no gamma correction slider you're doing 2.2 on top of your display's 2.2, so double contrast

But other than that, I'd imagine mostly panel stuff

[hollow thorn]

? looks normal contrast to me, no different than w/o renodx

and the only sliders that work with none set are the peak and game brightness, and the bottom 3 game specific ones

everything else doesnt work

[pastel magnet]

none doesn't apply any tonemapping/color grading.

[hollow thorn]

see

thats with "none"

tryna think of a good place where the diff between dice and none can be shown

maybe gold saucer, very contrasty

lots of colors

[languid wave]

scRGB has a baked 2.2 which shouldn't be done when in SDR. That means it's a bit more contrast than unmodded (not the Contrast slider)

[hollow thorn]

o

[languid wave]

None would have the SDR clipped hues. I'm pretty sure the DICE setup had linear hues which make what's yellow in SDR look pinkish in HDR

Any tonemapping will have a bit reduced highlights compared to None, since that's how tonemapping works in general

Dice shoulder could be pushed up higher to delay when it starts decreasing highlights

[hollow thorn]

dice vs. none vs. unmodded, all sdr

oh yeah, it is a lot more contrasty

[stone hearth]

none works exactly like the vanilla game. Using DICE will look a bit more dull (because the game wasn't really designed for it) but you will get highlight details instead of it simply clipping it away. Compare none to dice while standing in limsa midday. The floor will have actual texture instead of being a white blob.

[hollow thorn]

nod nod

is there any way to get rid of the extra contrast?

[stone hearth]

uhhhh not sure, is it the black floor offset?

[hollow thorn]

i have that set to 0.000

oh yknow what, it might just be because my ingame gamma is set to 50

lemme compare rq

[stone hearth]

wait nvm idk what you're referring to, occured to me that what I'm seeing in the above pictures is just 2.2 vs srgb gamma

but that wouldn't be an issue for you in sdr mode on your monitor

[hollow thorn]

usually i have the ingame gamma set to 0 (as thats when the x is barely visible, according to the isntructions in the settings)

but i increased it to 50 because i thought i rememberd this mod required it to be set to 50

[stone hearth]

it does yeah

[pastel magnet]

shouldn't be necessary anymore with the latest nightlies.

[stone hearth]

ah, nice

[pastel magnet]

but also, that's bad.

[stone hearth]

yeah, would point to a calibration issue on the monitor

[pastel magnet]

gamma correction at 50 = no gamma correction

[hollow thorn]

weird

[pastel magnet]

any other value applies gamma correction

[hollow thorn]

ye, following the instructions it says, full screen mode gamma set to 0 is when the x isnt visible

with my monitor set to srgb mode, so i cant control pretty much any of the color calibration settings, not even gamme

[spring copper]

[hollow thorn]

gamma*

literally just brightness (100), local dimming (which is off)

thats it

when my color gamut is set to srgb

[pastel magnet]

ehh?
HDR vs SDR
(there is some gamut expansion shenanigans going on in here though, forgot to turn that off.)

[hollow thorn]

ye just compared ingame gamma 0 to renodx with those sdr settings i have, tonemapper set to none, and those look the most similar to eachother. fullscreen mode gamma set to 50 looks washed out by comparison

[flat laurel]

I have it, the hdr is unusable

[pastel magnet]

also oh god this game looks terrible in SDR

take me back

[spring copper]

No, you will play with the washed out grey slop

[hollow thorn]

its really not great xD

very...

green

and dull

im not sure why, but it really just doesnt look great to the eyes

even comparing hdr video on my phone to my monitor

my monitor just doesnt really look near as appealing

i know its oled vs lcd, but still

[hollow thorn]

hmm, yeah increase dice shoulder to 0.66 and changing to dice does look better. less stuff getting completely blown out, although it does alter how the UI and other overlays blend with the 3d scene (vignette, for example, looks completely different with dice compared to none)

[languid wave]

I'm assuming you see the pink in HDR and yellow in SDR?

[hollow thorn]

none on the left, dice on the right

[pastel magnet]

yes i can see it.

[hollow thorn]

lights at the edge of the screen being affected by vignette; none on the left again, dice on the right

[hollow thorn]

really fascinaitng how dice affects that.

[novel kelp]

What if you turn vignette off?

[hollow thorn]

looks fine with vignette off

[languid wave]

I thought the vanilla game has some tri-lut setup for tonemapping. Not sure if that's bypassed by none

[hollow thorn]

but the UI still blends differently with dice. not worse, just differently

vignette is absolutely worse with dice XD

[stone hearth]

wait do you have the aoc miniled too?

[stone hearth]

oh, I have no clue, game just looks like clip to me

[hollow thorn]

aoc?

oh oh

yeah

[hollow thorn]

this model

[pastel magnet]

none does not bypass the color grading LUTs

note that this game doesn't have real tonemapping, it's literally a saturate call

[hollow thorn]

im guessing dice does, though

oh, do they not artistically use color grading? guild wars 2, another mmo i play, uses color grading as a sort of artistic thing, can differ per zone and even per area in a zone

but guild wars 2 doesnt aim for anywhere near "realistic" colors; its a rather painterly looking game

[stone hearth]

so it's not gonna solve all your problems, but go into the nvidia app, system, displays, color, then scroll to color channel. Select green and set the brightness to 99 instead of 100.

[hollow thorn]

dont have an nvidia gpu x)

lemme see if amd has somethin similar

[pastel magnet]

uh, i specifically said it was color grading...

[hollow thorn]

nope lol

[stone hearth]

RIP, not sure what you'd adjust there

[hollow thorn]

by that i mean is color grading not something that they make heavy use of beyond just basic color grading; as you said, just a saturate call?

[hollow thorn]

hue probably lmao

[stone hearth]

I actually tried tweaking it when I had to hook up to my igpu before. I think I did hue + color temp, but was never happy with it

[hollow thorn]

i have a 2080ti, but it has no cooler lol

the fans died

and idk of any aftermarket coolers for a 2080ti

that arent just waterblocks

[languid wave]

I'm dealing with Mass Effect trilogy now and they also have some hard clips for luts despite having 1-2 tonemappers. Tunic was hard clip and sample lut, so I had to do stuff to make flames yellow again

[hollow thorn]

it also has a shitty heatsink (dual slot, 2 fan card.. so the cooling solution is absolutely not sufficient for the card)

so i got an rx 6750xt to replace it :>

id love to find a replacement cooler for it tohugh, a better one

this game does not like amd cards

[pastel magnet]

whatever this issue is, it doesn't happen in HDR, you are on your own there.

[hollow thorn]

yeh its fine, nw

not a big deal at all

just interesting and curious is all

[tawdry maple]

i feel this with my monitor lmao

contrast goes to die when i enable hdr, but renodx still makes it worthwhile in ffxiv

but i run my monitor in srgb mode when set to sdr, so i don‘t have to adjust from oversaturated colours

lg luckily does not lock brightness when using their srgb mode

[hollow thorn]

my 1080p monitor had that, locking brightness in srgb mode

but my last monitor and this one dont, fortunateyl

(not enough desk space for multi monitor D:)

[winged nexus]

its scuffed in both modes

[hollow thorn]

Adding REST and its ff14 config alongside renodx causes ff14 to crash, both with and without dalamud

the crashing stops when either renodx or rest is removed

[ocean zealot]

The config is old now

[hollow thorn]

oh

is there a better one?

[ocean zealot]

I am using both Reno and REST

Let me just send my rest.ini

I have updated my preset anyways

Just haven't posted the update here yet

[hollow thorn]

the latest ReshadeEffectShaderToggler.addon64 is from 12/22/2024, yes?

[ocean zealot]

Yep Alex hasn't updated it

[hollow thorn]

okie

[ocean zealot]

But the shader hashes have changed since 7.2

[hollow thorn]

nod nod

[ocean zealot]

So the included rest.ini doesn't work

[hollow thorn]

oooh

that makes sense :3

[ocean zealot]

Just making sure, your not using SK

Because SK + Rest is rip

I also don't know if there's issues when using REST + Reno + optiscaler

[hollow thorn]

yeh, i used to use SK but it kept causing issues. i love SK's framerate limiter, its the best around, but it also conflicts heavily with so much XD

[hollow thorn]

where will u post it?

[ocean zealot]

Here

I might as well post my updated reshade preset

I have taken some new pics

[hollow thorn]

o

[ocean zealot]

• comparisons with vanilla

works with DLAA/DLSS

just be aware if you end up using other depth based effects with DLSS, it'll render those reshade effects to that res scale

so it wont be fullscreen

[hollow thorn]

well, i dont use an nvidia gpu so i cant use dlss XD I do use optiscaler but only for native res FSR3 anti aliasing because the game's vanilla offering is awful

[ocean zealot]

I guess the same applies

anything that changes the base render scale breaks with other reshade depth buffer based effects

REST's xegtao is fine though 🤷‍♂️

[hollow thorn]

nope, game still crashes

and thats without optiscaler

without dalamud, here's the crash popup:

[ocean zealot]

This has been followed?

[hollow thorn]

lemme check smthn

[ocean zealot]

**Updated Preset **

Went ahead and toned down a lot of the effects, GTAO, bloom, CA, grain are all more conservative in their application. Replaced grain with Shortfuse's version instead

Pic order is Vanilla / Reshade

Preset order & .fx should look like this

[hollow thorn]

yup, everythings as it says

still crashes

immediately on bootup

even without dalamud or optiscaler, game set to fsr, scaling @ 100, etc

if i remove the REST ini, but keep the addons, it doesnt crash

and i dont have any shaders enabled at all

in fact, i was wanted to grab REST so that I could try out some shaders

didnt wanna use shaders w/o it

im using the latest snapshot of the ff14 renodx addon.. lemme see if the crashing persists with the version on nexus

yup, crashing doesnt occur with the version on nexus

[ocean zealot]

🤷‍♂️ I am using the latest snapshot + reshade 6.5.1

[hollow thorn]

but the whole screen is extra dark

[hollow thorn]

yup thats exactly what im using

with the version on nexus, game looks like this lmao

[ocean zealot]

Pretty sure Nexus version no longer works

[hollow thorn]

maybe the crashing with this setup and rest+your config, is an AMD gpu issue?

i've found that happens sometimes

[ocean zealot]

it defintely doesnt work with reshade 6.5.1

Thats why I pointed people to using the snapshot

[hollow thorn]

optiscaler had that issue not long ago, for example, where the latest versions were crashing on amd gpus specifically

[ocean zealot]

AMD having problem #2523529582930582035

I dont know

[hollow thorn]

buy me an nvidia gpu XD /j

i'd switch back to my 2080ti but it doesnt have functional fans lol

and i cant find an aftermarket cooler for it

evga 2080ti black edition

b-stock 2080ti lmao

[ocean zealot]

RIP

Welp

time to pester Shortfuse

get him to do the graphics rewrite

so you dont need REST anymore

[hollow thorn]

"amd cant figure out how to work properly"

lmao

[ocean zealot]

problem with this is that the game is still receiving updates / expansions

Someone really has to like this game + actively play it to continue updating

[hollow thorn]

its nbd, ill just go without reshade shaders

maybe shortfuse/etc can figure out why renodx+rest is crashing on amd (if its only amd)

[mint pollen]

yea following forge's latest post with his preset and reshade 6.5.1 with the snapshot from a few days ago 14 just crashes on startup - edit yea forge's rest config does not like amd game launches without it

[ocean zealot]

Me purposely sending a zip bomb

I dont know if this is a skill issue on my end

I havent seen Alex post an updated 7.2 REST ini

and I've not seen one posted anywhere else

[pastel magnet]

ah right i should update the nexus version

crap.

anyway i don't use REST so i can't help with that.

[pastel magnet]

to rewrite what, exactly?

[ocean zealot]

🤷‍♂️ he mentioned 'maybe' wanting to revisit the game some day, redo reno for it and improve the upon the base graphical aspects

discord search is failing me atm

[pastel magnet]

I mean I do actively play this game and I do like it, but you'll have to be more specific if you want me to do something, because I'm pretty happy with how the game looks right now.

What would a rewrite of the mod accomplish?

Because unless there is a reason for it, I'd rather spend my time doing other things.

And regarding graphical improvements, what would be changed? Because none of my current gripes with this game's visuals could be fixed with shaders

The reason I haven't done much to this mod, it's because it's finished to me, there is some things that could be better like the hue correction, but it's not something I'm losing sleep over it, if you think there is further work that could be done, I'm open to do it

[tawdry maple]

I would appreciate the ability to disable bloom instead of just reducing its radius, if that’s even possible

The game used to have a toggle for it before 7.0, but doesn’t anymore

[ocean zealot]

Appreciate the ask Maple, if I was to mention off the top of my head

1.New bloom shader replacement The current one in game looks bad. Especially during the night. Its looks like a bad blur filter on anything that is being lit like windows or is considered glowing.

2.Better AO Even with the inclusion of gtao with 7.0 the game looks flat? Various meshes just look like they're floating in their environment and dont look grounded. REST's xeGTAO with vis bitmask does a better job imo hence why I use it

3.Better GI/IL To help with the flat look of the game

4.Better shadows#1278435249025581066 message look at the first vanilla pic, the brazier isnt shadowcasting unless it is but skylighting is just very high? Mixed bag, some areas have good shadowcasting from light sources other times its like that pic

Thats about it for me, but all the above outside of Bloom shader would be outside of the scope of Reno? I imagine this is what Shortfuse would 'upgrade' from a graphical perspective. Grading is fine to me, there's no griefed LUTs, I just like using D93 to remove the yellows but thats personal preference

Right or as Twamy mentioned if theres an option to disable vanilla bloom

[hollow thorn]

How do you get reshade shaders to not affect your UI then?

Is there a different way?

[pastel magnet]

i don't use reshade shaders.

i wasn't lying when i said i was happy with how the game looked.

[hollow thorn]

ah, neat XD I'm pretty much the same, mostly just wanted to mess around with them. I dont think the game looks bad or needs improving through reshade, besides perhaps using reshade for gpose shots

but the UI is hidden for those anyways

im quite happy with how the game looks in scrgb sdr with this reno mod. if only my display's hdr wasn't so terrible XD

[ocean zealot]

UImask

For games you need to create that mask manually to fit the HUD

FFXIV already has a mask available but it only works with default UI layout

So if you've adjusted, scaled the UI and so on, you'll have to redo the mask

You're telling Reshade 'hey, don't apply X .fx within the designated area of the mask' but it's janky since what if the UI at that moment in time isn't being used?

You'll end up with an area of your screen lacking X .fx being applied. TLDR it isn't dynamic and can't respond to UI changes

[hollow thorn]

yeh i know about ui mask, kinda wanna avoid it XD

[fossil crypt]

wasnt the ffxiv specific UI mask shader just reading swapchain alpha to know which parts of the screen are ui?

maybe i'm hallucinating this but i seem to remember learning this at some point

https://gist.github.com/natyusha/ff25278322d54d325250f856e63b661d this one

[ocean zealot]

No sure, since FFXIV tends to get more custom work done. The basic idea for the generic UI mask shader is that you create your own mask and the shaded areas aren't affected

By again that isn't dynamic

Unless

You hotkey a couple different masks

Then swap them depending on the UI present

[fossil crypt]

in this case I meant that we lucked out with ffxiv writing ui alpha to swapchain that can be read back to make a perfect keepui/restoreui postprocess shader

it's not a static ui mask like you described, that's honestly kinda realistically unusable in basically 90% of games

in any case i don't know where that ffxiv keepui shader comes from. it might've been distributed with gshade? either way i remember it working perfectly and myself not understanding how it can work with its code being so short (years ago back when I didn't really grasp that it just reads alpha)

[novel kelp]

Pretty sure it was one of Gshade's "special sauce" shaders.

[ocean zealot]

Gshade

Haven't heard that in a while

[echo bramble]

ffxiv did use the alpha channel as a ui mask in previously in shb/ew, not sure of the current dt expac with the graphics update

[hollow thorn]

https://github.com/GarrettGunnell/AcerolaFX/blob/main/Shaders/AcerolaFX_Start.fx
https://github.com/GarrettGunnell/AcerolaFX/blob/main/Shaders/AcerolaFX_End.fx
https://github.com/GarrettGunnell/AcerolaFX/blob/main/Shaders/Includes/AcerolaFX_Common.fxh

acerolafx has a ui mask updated for DT. works surprisingly well. probably based on the gshade one.

[fossil crypt]

return float4(lerp(tex2D(Common::AcerolaBuffer, uv).rgb, originalCol.rgb, originalCol.a * _MaskUI), originalCol.a);

yeah it just reads alpha

[hollow thorn]

i think these might have minor issues when used alongside renodx though. haven't tried disabling renodx to check, but for example, the debug mode of acerola's XeGTAO:

im 90% positive that it shouldn't have colour

Forge's REST config is probably much much better.. if I could ever get it to work alongside renodx XDD

[ocean zealot]

Probably SDR shader shenanigans

REST's xegtao work with Reno

What I can do is just send you the .ini with the different groups disabled one by one?

And we can see which one exactly causes the issue

Unless the whole ass thing is just at fault

[hollow thorn]

well, i know removing your ini entirely allowes rest to work. as for disabling groups one by one, i already know how to do it :3 ill give it a try, actually

[hollow thorn]

lmao... wanna know what the cause of the crashes is?

setting this to ffxiv causes it to crash

that's all

im positive that setting is fundamental to the entire config you use, too XD

but even with a fresh config file, absolutely no groups set up at all

setting resourceshim to ffxiv causes the game to crash on boot, on my gpu

https://github.com/4lex4nder/ReshadeEffectShaderToggler/blob/main/src/ResourceShim.h
https://github.com/4lex4nder/ReshadeEffectShaderToggler/blob/main/src/ResourceShimFFXIV.h
https://github.com/4lex4nder/ReshadeEffectShaderToggler/blob/main/src/ResourceShimFFXIV.cpp

which means something in here (probably) is making AMD windows drivers/gpus angry

dont have a linux distro set up to test if linux drivers are better XD

probably not impossible that dxvk/vulkan might also fix the issue

[ocean zealot]

RIP

thats all Alex's stuff

I havent touched / changed those

[hollow thorn]

Yeh