▫️Dragon Age: The Veilguard

[fickle ivy]

Weird that no one really had an issue with that one from what I've seen

[lean inlet]

i can't wait for this trend to end

it's never a dealbreaker to me but it's ugh

[fickle ivy]

I don't mind a quip here or there, but there can be too much of everything

[lean inlet]

bellara isn't that annoying after a while

or idk just grows on you maybe

we had merrill in da2

[lean inlet]

speaking of bellara, just did her first quest and it was surprisingly good

[lean pumice]

frame limiter is shit

even with reflex it keeps going over 120

just using SK now

on the shadows crossing mission

and the dark and eery tone

just doesn't hit

cause of the voice acting / banter

for lack of a better term

it's too soy

[sand phoenix]

The graphics are good but the voice acting and dialouge are bad

[worthy hamlet]

• redundancy. there is so much bs that gets repeated and repeated in dialogues... i've started using the skippety-skip button frequently^^

[turbid cedar]

Mine is locked to 115 with reflex enabled 🤔

[lean pumice]

It kept going over 120 on my end

Until I just used SK

[river elm]

so how are u guys enjoying the game

dropped it or will complete?

I just been to tevinter, it was a city area but people were just gathering on rooftops with no way to get off except jumping down and using ziplines 😄

killing my immersion

[lean inlet]

i'm enjoying it more than i expected

i expected inquisition and this is better

would i rather have a sequel to dragon age origins instead? yes absolutely

i do feel like the beginning was clumsy with the repetitive exposition

what concerns me more is that... i don't think tevinter was supposed to be like this? wasnt it supposed to be some kinda fucked up place with slavery and all that? i expected something like ffxvi's bearers everywhere

not that i really care much but, kinda strange?

[lean inlet]

i think you mean treviso which is antiva not tevinter

some of the rooftop levels are kinda questionable indeed. i mean crows fine, but regular citizens?

[river elm]

ah yes treviso sorry

I basically dont understand anything thats happening tbh

its been a long time since I played Origins and DA2

and the game just teleports me form one area to the next

yo ugo to a mirror and get out of somewhere where there isnt any mirror so u just appear somewhere random

how does that work in universe

[lean inlet]

it was a long time for me too but i don't really have an issue following the story

[lean inlet]

hmm you do walk out of the mirror though?

wait actually yeah you didn't in treviso

that's weird

but later on you do walk out of the mirror when you go there

which is... not where you start the first mission there, yeah

[river elm]

It's a small detail anyway

no biggie

[silent silo]

Anyone capped at 1k when using the ingame here calibration?

Should I leave it at 1kbor bump up to my tvs max?

[lean inlet]

if you're capped maybe some metadata is sticking? the ingame hdr should work well up to 10k

[silent silo]

I mean when using the in game calibration the boxes match up at 1k instead of my usual 1.5k

You can see any difference in the boxes after 1k

[lean inlet]

hmm idk

they match up at 1k for me but that's correct in my case

guess you should check with lilium's hdr analysis where the actual game peaks

[silent silo]

Yeah I'll give that a go

[turbid cedar]

Yea the writing is weird, it's like watching a Netflix teen drama

the game is not bad though

[worthy hamlet]

its really kind of sad bc somewhere beneath all that cringy dialogue and sheer stupidity there seems to be a story buried worth telling

[lean inlet]

it seems to me the writing improves later on

like all the introductions are clumsy but then it gets more normal

i've got all the companions now and tbh everyone's alright. there's nobody like peebee from mass effect andromeda that would just be cringy till the end

taash seems to be an angsty teen so far

[turbid cedar]

that's good to hear, I enjoy the game a lot

[lean inlet]

same. definitely a better game than inqusition or andromeda

[lean inlet]

is varric ||dead? nobody seems to interact with him in the lighthouse aside from rook. not actually wanting a spoiler, just musing||

[frank tinsel]

I think something is off with that calibration screen. The boxes match up for me at around 580 instead of my monitor's 1000.

[river elm]

dont trust the calibration screen

trust Lilium's HDR analysis

[lean pumice]

could be broken metadata

i've only played the game with sk and reshade which block hdr metadata anyway

[lean inlet]

this game answers so many big lore questions it's actually wild

i'm not sure that's a good thing

[worthy hamlet]

is anybody getting slight "hitching" / "stuttering" despite stable framerate? mostly when moving the camera. seems like a vsync issue? but couldn't find any setting to alleviate the problem

[turbid cedar]

it runs fine on my system, but I use gsync

try SK's latent sync or RTSS's scanline sync

[worthy hamlet]

thanks
i am running gsynch as well (4070s ti + LG C9) , will try scanline sync. which value would you suggest?

oh dear... after some reading this appears to be a lot more complex topic than i thought it would be 😄

[lean pumice]

I had stutters but that was cause reflex frame limiter wasn’t working right

So I used sk to limit framerate

[worthy hamlet]

hm that might be the case for me as well, currently using RTSS to limit fps @80

[lean inlet]

is your refresh rate spiking into the max refresh rate every half second or so?

check your monitor's refresh rate display thingy or with this https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9nkbpxwf3rwr?hl=en-US&gl=US

[worthy hamlet]

oh sweet hadn't heard of that. will check it out

but this is actually measuring display HZ not GPU fps right?

[lean inlet]

yeah, thats the idea

to see if your gsync is working right

[worthy hamlet]

the name seems misleading

[lean inlet]

because mine wasn't for quite a while

[worthy hamlet]

yea that tool is great esp for my old C9 since you cannot really check for gsynch in the menus (you can w the "secret HDMI" menu but this seems much more convenient). thanks!

[lean inlet]

does it? it's refresh rate

[worthy hamlet]

was just confused bc the app is called "Windows FPS monitor" 😄
but yeah, it seems to work, awesome!

[lean inlet]

oh yeah the window name is totally different indeed lol

anyway the reason i'm asking about it is this #🖥️tvs-and-monitors message

[worthy hamlet]

oh wow i had no idea. will try. THANKS

this should do the trick as well with nv profile inspector i suppose?

[lean inlet]

no idea - i only know that other method worked for me, can't vouch for this

it might not

[turbid cedar]

oh yea I use SK's framelimiter with reflex

[turbid cedar]

https://steamcommunity.com/games/1845910/announcements/detail/4453590197273100467

[iron obsidian]

There's a new setting not listed in the patch notes. You can now select Fade Touched quality for LoD and I'd say it helps a bit with some of the pop in that was quite visible before.

[turbid cedar]

what about the performance cost?

there is a new? "Fade Touched" quality for the textures too

[iron obsidian]

Textures as well. Guess I missed that.

I don't think there's much performance cost. At least I've not measured it since I can run the game with quite some headroom.

[turbid cedar]

https://youtu.be/ool2E8SQPGU?si=NLOnGBbkPXibkKw7 amazing stuff

[lean inlet]

oh nice wtf

[gaunt berry]

Are you using FG? You need to set half FPS in-game for frame gen (So if you want 120 FG’d you’d set 60). But yeah, SK’s limiter is better

[lean pumice]

Oof

Ya

[gaunt berry]

Yep, still does

+20 nits peaks at 50 brightness 50 contrast for me

Since my monitor clips at 400 I need to set it to 380

I know it’s related to brightness

at 25 brightness the overshoot was reduced to +10 nits

So there’s a good chance it’s also related to peak nits and overshoot might change to undershoot 🙈

[gaunt berry]

Dragon Age: The Veilguard

The HDR Calibration setting is now saved correctly between game sessions.

🎉

[iron obsidian]

Oh! Missed that in the patch notes.

[lean inlet]

just finished veilguard. the whole end section is the best executed, satisfying finale that bioware has ever done, or honestly most rpgs. the game's writing and narrative had some missteps, the general lack of bad choices to make while questing is a shame, the lack of world state import from the previous games is a BIG mistake (really, we'd be fine with tiny mentions. nobody really expects big branching stories. just acknowledge what we've done in a line of dialogue, or a note, it really fucking matters) and I'm still not sure I like having basically all of the big lore mysteries explained (i guess it's better than not ever learning them, if there's not going to be another dragon age? david gaider said all those answers were written at the beginning, so that's very cool - not making up shit as they went), but aside from that, the last act was just very good all over. long, epic and polished, which is really rare, usually they feel kinda unfinished when compared to the rest of the game
the game really is basically fantasy mass effect 2

i'd like an epilogue though, i guess, the short mentions at the end aren't enough, really

[tiny spade]

basically agree with everything you said. as someone who really struggled with the plot and characters in the first act and was mostly propelled by finding the combat fun, i got sucked in hard by the game's finale. it really is bassically flawless. its flows so well and is so polished - major props

[iron obsidian]

I put quite some hours in but I have the feeling I've barely scratched the surface story wise. Is it a really long game? I take it slow, but I have the feeling there is more areas I'm still missing. Just recruited the last 2 crew members.

[fickle ivy]

Every AAA game nowadays is at least 50h long

[lean inlet]

yeah, it was pretty long (i do everything). you’re still in act 1

[tough arrow]

I dropped it at the part where they ||force you to play crews questlines||. Does it get better afterwards or nah?

[lean inlet]

depends on what you expect to get better. the companion stories are a major part of the game

[tough arrow]

Are they interesting or just "good enough"?

[lean inlet]

very subjective 😄 I think they were alright/good with some very nice moments

they're not really side content at all

they're part of the main story, basically. many take place in unique areas or unique parts of existing areas, etc. what i mean they're not "forcing" you to do shitty filler content, they're as developed as the main quests are

[tiny spade]

yeah it defs isnt my game of the year but the highs were much higher than the lows were low

like yeah theres some pretty cringey dialogue and questionable plotting, but the core gameplay loop is very compelling, combat feels great, its gotta one of the most polished AAA games ive played in yonks and the good parts (like the characters that work, the insanely satisfying insanity that is the multi hour finale that just keeps ramping up and up and up) are like, incredibly fucking good

honestly, the fact that there is basically zero standard open world/RPG filler content/fetch quests has a way bigger impact on my enjoyment of the game than the fact that some of the party members are hella milquetoast with problems that a therapist or third grade teacher should help them solve, not rook

[tiny spade]

my recommendation is give the companions a decent "chance" by starting at least all of their quest lines, and if you still find someone insufferable or hella boring just stop/abandon their quest line and keep going with the ones that are resonating, because the ones that are cool and work well are defs worth going thru 👍

[lean inlet]

agree

[tough arrow]

Thanks, I'll give it another chance then.

At the very least it'll be good to form my own opinion on it

[iron obsidian]

Getting back into this game to see if I finish it. Haha. Wonder if those items that gave you permanent damage and health are still bugged.

[gaunt berry]

They fixed them

[iron obsidian]

This game is so long. Isn't it? Haha.

125 hours. 30 achievements. Just 2 companions with their special skill and armor unlocked.

Level 48 though.

[gaunt berry]

True, game has a lot of content

[iron obsidian]

This game really spoils you when it comes to facial expressions and animations. I go back to other good modern games but you can tell right away there is a big gap set in there by how advanced Veilguard technology is in those terms.

[turbid cedar]

And hair physics!

[tiny spade]

omg the hair physics

*literally *has ruined most other games for me (tysm ubi for the hair in ac shadows 😅 )

[river elm]

i dont even play video games

[exotic kiln]

@harsh condor Please ban this user for... reasons 😛

[harsh condor]

Oh man I thought this was an actual issue ha

@exotic kiln well you didn't even have an OLED panel so I'll ban you too 😛

[exotic kiln]

You thought so? Ah, that was neeeeeever my intention 😛

[harsh condor]

haha well i saw a ping and read the first part of there being a toxic user and i was just like "god dammit"

lol

[exotic kiln]

Oh shut up 😛

[river elm]

that message was so nice sitting here for almost a week

[exotic kiln]

Yeah, sorry, hadn't visited in a while, and this was the first thing I saw, just had to say something 😛

[iron obsidian]

It was fun reading it and leving it be. Haha.

[frail fulcrum]

This game does not have a RenoDX mod correct?

[turbid cedar]

Nope, it’s not needed.

I mean yes 😄

[frail fulcrum]

Wow so this is like one of the few games with good HDR?

scenes kind of looked different contrast to me when i flipped between SDR and HDR..

hm i was playing it on PS5 so maybe there's an issue with PS5 HDR vs SDR

[lean pumice]

I don’t like the hdr

Other than the usual gamma mismatch

It compresses highlights in a way that I don’t like

Everything basically just looks clipped

Leaves no breathing room for separation between bright and very bright

[iron obsidian]

Thing is I made a whole playthrough without feeling it washed out due to gamma mismatch and thought it was quite decent HDR. Haha.

Maybe because it's use of very saturated colors and environments.

[dense tundra]

have u tried HDR10+? honestly I don't see any difference and am wondering if using it even makes sense ;(((

[lean pumice]

As far as I can tell hdr10+ literally just auto sets the peak brightness

I guess it also turns on the hdr10+ mode on your monitor which may be more accurate out of the box

I have hdr10+ disabled anyway

[dense tundra]

haha there's even another bogus, if I alt tab out of the game once it launches in hdr10+ mode, on my samsung oled it doesnt even go back to hdr10+ until i restart the game completely

blacks are still raised anyway and have to use black floor fix lawl

[frail fulcrum]

So is it possivle for someone to make a RenoDX mod for this game? 😆

[turbid cedar]

It's not needed, you can fix the gamma issue with Lilium's BFF shader, and if you don't like the highlight compression then you can use Lilium's tone mapping shader to fix that too

the HDR implementation is not bad, it's one of the better ones actually

I mean if someone really wants to do it then that's cool, but it's not really needed 😄

[frail fulcrum]

Thank you for this!

[turbid cedar]

The highlight compression fix messes up the UI a little, but that's the only issue that I can remember. I played through the game wit the gamma mismatch and highlight fixes

#1276216499664588812 message

default highlight compression vs "fixed" @frail fulcrum

[frail fulcrum]

Thanks, is it bad that I can’t see the difference? which kind of proves your earlier point, lol

[turbid cedar]

focus on the bright neon sign

it's dimmer with the fix, which helps with the issue Musa mentioned

@frail fulcrum The difference is more obvious here: #1276216499664588812 message

[frail fulcrum]

that issue being the UI?

Isn't there a black level raise as well

thanks

[turbid cedar]

no, the clipped highlights issue

[turbid cedar]

yea, that's why you need to use Lilium's BFF shader

#1276216499664588812 message

[frail fulcrum]

Thanks man!

[turbid cedar]

▫️Dragon Age: The Veilguard

[brazen remnant]

I am late to the party and just saw your comments. Basically the only things I need to use are these two things from Lilium with their default settings, right? 🙂
Thanks in advance!

[turbid cedar]

Not at their default settings, but yes

Black floor fix settings: #1276216499664588812 message

[iron obsidian]

Lol I played this whole game without BFF and I thought I looked great. 🤦‍♀️

[frail fulcrum]

How do I use LIlium's tonemapping shader to fix highlight cmpression in Veilguard? Thanks!

[gaunt berry]

Isn’t the correct conclusion then that the BFF isn’t needed?

[lean pumice]

depends on whether you wanna match how sdr looks with 2.2 gamma

its pretty uncommon for monitors to target srgb so I think its fair to make the assumption the game was developed on 2.2 gamma displays

[vapid locust]

having a gamma mismatch does not by default mean the game look bad either

[gaunt berry]

When playing Veilguard and comparing SDR vs HDR and HDR with BFF, I had the feeling that the game was mastered on HDR

And I’d wager that this will happen more often in the future

[vapid locust]

probably a fair assumption but no real information to base that off of

[fickle ivy]

If that was true then why does the SDR look diffrent

You dont see that with video content, unless HDR version is based on a diffrent master

SDR grade is derived from HDR or vice versa

[lean pumice]

I don't think so cause the tonemapper barely compresses highlights and looks super clipped

looks very SDR in regards to actual detail

like there's barely any separation between bright and very bright objects

feels like my face is getting blasted with nits

idk I just don't think there's ever been a game that was hdr first

[vapid locust]

color grading in cod is apparently done in hdr

[lean pumice]

i think that just means they don't use SDR LUTs/grading

like the color correction part is before tonemapping

which is how it should be for every game

oh also I think I remember seeing one of the COD games having a gamma slider in HDR

[vapid locust]

i don't remember seeing one in black ops 6

but i didn't play it very much

[lean pumice]

from the cod ww2 presentation

which is when they changed up their post processing pipeline

[vapid locust]

ww2 is basically ancient by cod standards though

[lean pumice]

i think they've kept with this since

[fickle ivy]

Yeah, the presentation is probably outdated
They went through the whole engine rework in the meantime

[iron obsidian]

Maybe we got to that conclusion fast and just played the game. Haha. Since it's kind of bright and saturated I think my ignorant eye said... "HDR good". Maybe there was not many people playing at launch and since I enjoyed it so much and didn't have that washed out feeling or any other grievances I didn't go out of my way as usual tryna look for fixes.

So this might be a good excuse to try BFF and play a mage... Haha.