#▫️Final Fantasy XVI

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prime scaffold
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hotfix drivers are usually not on the geforce website

spring pelican
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Why is that?

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Because they're in beta?

prime scaffold
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idk

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they've been doing this for many years

spring pelican
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Yea, I know. It always annoys me because I can never find them ha

dense salmon
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Oh really? No ReBar for this game?

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This is what I did so I could keep it enabled and not crashing.

spring pelican
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There are reports all over the place with similar full system freezes on other games and even while not in games with the newest drivers. So I don't trust them yet. The hotfix only specifically calls out the FF16 crash

prime scaffold
dense salmon
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But you mean the performance is worse with ReBar on?

spring pelican
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With rebar on you get fuck your shit up crashes

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so it's irrelevant lol

prime scaffold
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at least on an intel cpu

dense salmon
spring pelican
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drivers scary

blazing rover
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Omg I couldn’t figure out what’s causing that system freeze while alt+f4 which needs a reboot, nVidia never lets us down 😂

spring pelican
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Hard reboot?

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Yep. Shitty drivers

prime scaffold
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haha

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that driver is awful

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i dont freeze though

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but the performance degradation is shocking

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this is what i got

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35% performance loss

unique swift
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This is after hotfix?

prime scaffold
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before

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the hotfix is basically turning off the rebar for you

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both my performance degradation and that freezing when alt+f4 are caused by rebar

unique swift
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oh okay

regal pike
fading veldt
spring pelican
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He's saying rebar on hurt performance

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I think you have it backwards

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Unless i misread

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But the new drivers are cursed so might be more going on

prime scaffold
prime scaffold
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it can even lead to system freeze

spring pelican
fading veldt
prime scaffold
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it reduce

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not increase

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lol

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it is bugged that reduces my performance

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not increase

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and the hotfix driver turns that off by default

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solved my performance problem and the system freeze problem

fading veldt
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Oh, so sorry, interpreted it wrong

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I already found it weird

prime scaffold
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and i turned off the rebar manually on the problematic driver, solved my problem too

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so it is the rebar issue

spring pelican
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I still don't trust the driver

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I'll wait for people to beta test the next one lol

fading veldt
spring pelican
# fading veldt Why not?

Because it gave me full system lockups that required hard reboots, which resulted in the bios resetting. Widespread issue.

dapper cape
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there are multiple reports of various issues with the new driver

spring pelican
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Yes, and not only in FF16

dapper cape
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the comment is updated regularly

fading veldt
dapper cape
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yes

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the driver/release was rushed and Nvidia/AIB partners had no time to test, it's even worse if you own a 50 series card

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the next drivers update will hopefully fix most of the issues

spring pelican
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I'll let people beta test it

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Lol

dense salmon
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I didn't notice any performance degradation with ReBar on or off with the new drivers but the system lockup happened until a changed a something setting on NVPI that was not ReBar.

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So if anybody want to keep ReBar on with the new drivers it's viable.

dapper cape
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I don't think that we need/should use rebar if Nvidia actually disabled it with a hotfix

spring pelican
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Dude I can't take this game sometimes

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The fucking slogs in between main storyline advancements

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like you sneak into the crystalline dominion to significantly further the plot.....but then.....OMG GUET'Z TRAVEL PASS WAS STOLEN BY A KID. LET'S SPEND 2 FUCKING HOURS DOING THIS BORING ASS SIDE PLOT TO KILL THE EVIL BANDITS WHO ARE MAKING THE KIDS STEAL PASSES. ISN'T CLIVE SUCH A GOOD GUY???

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This game should have been like 1/3 the length

spring pelican
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Also I ended up going back to d65. In some areas D93 looked too blue but perhaps I just needed to get used to the color temp. Idk. I just put it back until we get more info on whether it's likely or not that it was meant for d93

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and lastly, dlss 310.2.0 looks pretty damn good in this game. not using frame gen because frame gen causes terrible ghosting

dapper cape
unique swift
spring pelican
dense salmon
spring pelican
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Did the old version not have issues?

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Also is this game worth finishing? I'm in the Crystalline dominion. Idk how much I have left.

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I just can't take the filler missions. They drive me nuts

regal pike
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IMO at least

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But then again I’m a huge FF fan

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😂

spring pelican
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The last one i played before this one was ff10

regal pike
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So I usually finish them even if they’re not super good

regal pike
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The sequel.. not so much lol

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FfX-2

spring pelican
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I think I only played a little bit of the sequel

dapper cape
unique swift
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It seems to be a pattern with the recent FF games: they start strong, then they hit a massive slump after the first third of the game, and then they pick up again in the last third.

mellow void
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I think the game just has pacing whiplash by being an action game with a Final Fantasy Tactics type story lol.

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And even as a major fan of the FFT type story I felt the whiplash

unique swift
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That too

mellow void
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If the game was more like FFT or FFXII the story moments inbetween wouldn't feel so jarring.

tight flower
prime scaffold
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Denuvo removed

unique swift
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Performance still sucks tho

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I even trying updating DS to the latest version, which allegedly fixes the GPU utilization spikes in MHW, but no bueno

nova socket
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I'm playing through the game atm

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SK helped to smooth out my framegraph, I had to disable all controller inputs (don't use one) to solve some disgusting stuttering with Eikon Overhaul mod

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70% of the time I am at a locked 120 (with FG) at ultra 4K 4090 but there are areas where I can drop

prime scaffold
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MHWs runs at 720p 60 fps most of the time on ps5

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and FFXVI also runs at 720p but sub 40 fps on ps5

nova socket
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RIP

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But I can say that on my setup with DLSS transformer the game looks berry nice

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Cloth textures are immaculate

prime scaffold
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well FFXVI does look good most of the time

nova socket
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Lack of GI in interior is a bit grating especially when going from Cyberpunk

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Has that raster grey/blue look

prime scaffold
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the gi in FFXVI is fine most of the time

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much better than mhws

nova socket
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frenzy wilds is something

prime scaffold
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i dont have complaints about the visual quality of ffxvi

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but it is just way more demanding than it should be

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it is just ps4 era technology tbh

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nothing special

unique swift
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Which feels like a bug to me

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or some engine quirk

prime scaffold
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depends on the scene

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the desert area does have that same issue

unique swift
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Essentially any open area

prime scaffold
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runs fine most of the time on my pc tbh

unique swift
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You have 4090 lol

prime scaffold
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when it comes to stutter issue

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it doesnt matter what gpu you have

unique swift
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The game doesn't really stutter

prime scaffold
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like jedi survivor still runs like shit on my pc

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i would never finish that game

unique swift
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but on 3080 I can't get stable 60fps without dropping the internal resolution to like 480p

prime scaffold
unique swift
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At least going by the benchmark, mohunt runs better for me lmao

prime scaffold
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4090 barely goes over 70 fps with dlss performance mode

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with transformer model

prime scaffold
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mhws dlss quality = ffxvi dlss performance

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at least on my pc

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but i would argue that ffxvi looks significantly better than mhws

unique swift
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It does

prime scaffold
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when it comes to visual/performance

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i think mhws is the worst one

unique swift
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But I don't think it looks good enough to justify the performance
Both of them really

prime scaffold
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yeah

prime scaffold
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nothing special in ffxvi

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well jedi survivor does look good enough to justify the performance IF YOU ONLY LOOK AT THE FPS NUMBER

unique swift
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I don't think JS looks that great either

prime scaffold
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the fps number is not that bad

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i got 80-90 fps on my previous 3080ti

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dlss quality mode with rt on

mint hawk
mint hawk
prime scaffold
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4k

mint hawk
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4k?

prime scaffold
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sry i read the wrong post

spring pelican
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overall runs well on a 4080 super at 1440p with dynamic res on

spring pelican
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i turned it off

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locked to 60

nova socket
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Borked motion vectors?

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I can cope with it

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I can't cope with 60

spring pelican
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I'm using DLSS 310.2 as well and it looks really good

spring pelican
unique swift
mint hawk
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maybe try 1080p output idk

dapper cape
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transformer model performance DLSS looks fairly good

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on a 4k screen

frail abyss
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50gb patch

dense salmon
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Oh wow. Did not realize. It was 25 GB for me though.

dapper cape
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Graphics not displaying properly on certain screens.
Textual errors in select languages.
🤨

spring pelican
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I never had any of those issues lol

nova socket
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Bahamut fight

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When ||Clive and Joshua combined|| the music sent me into the stratosphere

mellow void
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it is glorious

nova socket
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I've been putting off playing this game since the demo

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but goddamn Yoshi P baked

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how do you consecutively build up each eikon battle and make it better every time

nova socket
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Wait Soken composed the music

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Chad

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Whilst fighting cancer

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Shadowbringers Emet's fight was the last time I felt this much hype in a game and no surprise Soken composed that

spring pelican
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The Eikon fights are like the only good parts of this game lol

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I think i'm close to the bahamut fight

spring pelican
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Yea just got past the bahamut fight. That was pretty awesome. I wish the entire game was fun like this

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This game is like 75% boring slog and 25% actual story development/fun battles

mint hawk
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I'm at the part after you hang out at the brothel

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am I near the bahamut fight?

spring pelican
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No I think you're pretty early, if it's the one i'm thinking of

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I could be wrong

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I play the game like 2 hours every month

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so maybe it was close and it felt long because of that

nova socket
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Keep the momentum of the story, characters, VAs, music and especially boss fights

mellow void
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If they wanna do it like this it shouldn't be DMC lmao

nova socket
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Join forces with Creative Business Unit I in expanding the RPG elements and making the side content better

mellow void
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It has the story pacing of a tactics game

nova socket
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I'm fine with anything

mellow void
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I love tatics games but even i found it jarring

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Like it's legit my favorite genre but boy is that odd for a DMC style game

nova socket
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But my god, something with all the good parts of FFXVI with better RPG mechanics, party composition and more in depth gameplay would be a behemoth of a FF game

mellow void
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yeah

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the down time isn't meaningful cause there's very little meaningful RPG stuff

nova socket
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Welp going to have to wait a decade now for FFXVII to come out

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Any leaks? Who's making it

nova socket
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Has there been a space opera style FF game?

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Wonder how well a Dunesque setting would do

mellow void
unique swift
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17 probably won't be out until few years after remake

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16 and rebirth kinda canibalised each other

nova socket
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That reminds me, I will probably return back to 14 after I complete this

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Started a second playthrough last year on a new toon when I discovered RenoDX and this server but took a break after Heavensward

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I haven't played through Endwaker or Dawntrail

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I need to see for myself if Dawntrail is as bad as the community makes it out to be

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If it is then... They'll need to do something major for the next expansion

nova socket
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On second thought, how is VII? I have to admit I have never played it. To those that I've played both XVI and the remakes or are in general FF fans how will my experience compare

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I hope the games doesn't fall into the 'demake' category

unique swift
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Imo Remake > XVI > Rebirth

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OG VII is a good game and important one for the medium in general, it's basically video game cannon and it's definetly worth playing today, if for nothing else to just have an opinion on it

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VII is however the start of Kitase / Nomura / Nojima branch of FF, and those are very diffrent from the Sakaguchi directed games

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XVI has much more in common with the latter than the former

mellow void
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Warring empires/religions and all that jazz, FFXVI takes after any game with ivalice in it.

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I hope they're really doing a remaster of FFT

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There's been rumors but no announcement

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VII is very different from XVI but the battle system in remake and rebirth is the best of any FF game imo.

For me overall i like FFVII remake and rebirth over FFXVI

nova socket
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Thanks for the insight both of you

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Good thing FF is an anthology

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Imagine having to play the previous 15 games to know what the hell is going on in the 16th installment

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One Piece tier of 'the show gets good 600 episodes in'

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I prefer darker tone settings preferably with politics. Probably why I was able to attach so well with 16

mellow void
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Tho FYI they're a lot less bombastic than FFXVI can be

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But their tone and pace makes sense for their gameplay lol

unique swift
nova socket
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Bros I just finished

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Bros

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I'm sad

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Even the main menu music changed

mellow void
unique swift
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how many cannon entries as of now? 10 or more?

mellow void
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wait maybe 15

nova socket
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YakuzaXVI

mellow void
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either way

nova socket
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Right I'm off to contemplate now for a week like I did after I finished Witcher 3

Will be interesting to revisit the game many years from now to see how well it ages and how my opinion changes

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Then I play something else

mellow void
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Cause even Judgement is in the yakuza world, and Kurohyo which never got a western release

unique swift
mellow void
unique swift
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huh

mellow void
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I don't think Kurohyo has tho

mellow void
# unique swift huh

I mean at the very least there were judgement characters in like a dragon, so it's at least somewhat relevant if you wanna know who those people are

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🤔 I think also gaiden too

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Kiryu fights Kaitou and partners with him for a bit, and I think in like a dragon they help with some of the plot

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Ah right it was in infinite wealth they showed up

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Only for a bit tho

unique swift
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Okay, so excluding cameos and minor bits
We have main 8, the man who erased his name and pirate yakuza

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What else

nova socket
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Br4p dont watch this, I'd rather you experience this first hand in the DLC.

When I first saw this I was floating

mellow void
mellow void
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IMO tho it's clear they wanna involve judgement characters more in the mainline games 😛

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Probably cause the judgement team seems to be making mainline games now I think

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The directors of infinite wealth both come from Judgement and the previous like a dragon title

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I'm sure there's more overlap too since I think the old leads left iirc

spring pelican
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I'm sure there's some good ones but the ones i played weren't fun

mellow void
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I liked them but they don't fit the game lmao

spring pelican
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Yea they didn't need to be there

mellow void
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The fit the story and elevate it a lot imo, but gameplay wise they're so low key

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To go from societal struggles to the insane shit in the eikon battles is just too much whiplash

spring pelican
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Yea exactly

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You're spending 3 hours helping the big dude get his crossing pass back, then you're like a giant monster fighting titans

nova socket
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frenzy RPGs be like

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You have 3 days to live because the evil bad guys has casted a world wide spell

mellow void
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if it was like FFXII or tactics this stuff would fit in nicely, but as DMC it's just jarring

nova socket
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proceeds to do every side mission imaginable

spring pelican
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Do you guys use mods for FF7 remake and rebirth? Besides reno

nova socket
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Jill's final side quest I enjoyed only because of the cutscene

mellow void
nova socket
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just speaking generally

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BG3 as an example

mellow void
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ah yeah

nova socket
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You have a worm in your head

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i suppose canonically everything takes place over a few days

mellow void
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oh lmao

nova socket
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but that sort of ruins character development for me

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Jill and Clive relationship feels nature because its spaced over 18 years

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meanwhile in most RPGs you meet a random stranger and 2 days later you have max affinity and banging

mellow void
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true lmao

nova socket
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Takes me out but I understand that its a game

unique swift
nova socket
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thanks you for giving 2077 as another example

unique swift
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the ticking clock plots and open world games don't gel really

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or games with the bunch of side content really

unique swift
nova socket
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load up on all the coomer mods

unique swift
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Yup
Go full brain rot

spring pelican
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so if vanilla is good enough then i'll just do vanilla

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like full reworks of the upgrade mechanics or abilities or something

mellow void
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Yeah just do vanilla it's a very balanced game

spring pelican
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sounds good to me

spring pelican
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I should try replaying FF7 remake

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i had started it a while ago but only got like 2 hours in

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and then for wahtever reason I got overwhelmed by the mods and stopped playing

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Pretty sure i asked this already so apologies, but what's the difference between snapshot and feb links?

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nova socket
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im using feb

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oh

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its not two different versions

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its a snapshot and its from feb

spring pelican
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Oh, it's the same button link i'm dumb

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thought it was two different buttons 😛

nova socket
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I must be blind, where is the whitepoint shader for reshade?

spring pelican
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whitepoint shader?

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what's that

nova socket
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The D93 shader

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Or how do you switch between D93 / D65

rain scarab
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are you guys pleased with how FF16 looks?

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im using it without any mods or anytihng lik ethat.

unique swift
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game looks great, HDR is fantastic

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I just wish it would run better, lol

prime scaffold
nova socket
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In game cutscenes quality is ridiculous, clothing textures have intricate details and one for the few games I've played where present and in the future I don't see the need of higher res textures

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HDR just works and looks good

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Game loads up quickly thanks to direct storage

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The starting forest area shows off a ton of foliage detail very well, Mysidia (Rising Tides DLC) has beautiful bloom and weather

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Fallen ruins and the mother crystals have great design direction and are my highlights

gloomy sky
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Yeah, one thing i think everyone can agree on with 16 is that it's visually stunning

rain scarab
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Perhaps it's just my mediocre display then.

gloomy sky
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Possibly

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Looked incredible on my s90d

unique swift
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Reduce the brightness to - 2 or - 3

nova socket
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I ran with -5 brightness

gloomy sky
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I used -2

nova socket
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No wait I'm getting confused

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I ran whatever the lowest brightness setting is in FFXVI

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Isn't the default 5

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So I ran with 0

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Also use SK to force AF 16x

unique swift
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0 is default

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-5 is the lowest

prime tendon
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the slider goes from 0 to 10, with 5 being the default

nova socket
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KoKlusz what are you referring to in that case?

rain scarab
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5 is the default yeah

nova socket
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Lower that to your preference

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Maybe also try out D93

nova socket
rain scarab
nova socket
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There has been a few discussions about this

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D93 Vs D65 whitepoint

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Former is bluer, latter is more yellow

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RenoDX allows you to choose, if the dev has implemented it, otherwise you'll want to use the FourTwentyColorSpace shader above

spring pelican
nova socket
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Cheers

spring pelican
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I think the ultimate concensus was that it's extremely unlikely that it's meant to be d93

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but not sure it was determined 100%

gloomy sky
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I don't think we can

spring pelican
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So it's really just whatever looks better to you

gloomy sky
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D65 is the safer assumption of intent but if you really want to try D93 then no one is stopping you

spring pelican
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jk

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Idk there are definitely some areas of FF16 where I'm like "yea this absolutely looks more correct in d93." Then there are others where I'm not so sure

prime scaffold
nova socket
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Good ol' days

prime scaffold
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its more realistic

nova socket
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I cringe but that was my beginning

spring pelican
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lolol

spring pelican
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i am going to start ff7 remake soon so we'll see

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I think it's a good looking game but i'm not super impressed with anything in particular. It just looks really nice

ocean ether
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Remake was all over the place

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Like the city parts of ff7 were really nice looking

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But other parts could look really bad

spring pelican
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yea that sounds about right

unique swift
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What I meant is that you should drop it to the value 2 or 3

spring pelican
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I used 3 and I like it

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I think dropping the brightness adds more saturation, but 3 on the slider is good. I don't find it too saturated

dapper cape
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imaging playing on the best screen as a kid, but then switching to horrible LCD panels

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I was very confused back then, "LCD should look better wtf" haha

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the FW900 was a ~1440p@80hz screen with OLED picture/motion quality back in 2000 lol

unique swift
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dayum

rain scarab
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any ideas? on dlss3, its a bit better without DLSS maybe but idk i just went through dlss none legacy and fsr3 and its all relatively the same

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in some areas of th e map its more noticable than others.

mellow void
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looks like an issue with volumetric clouds, volumetirc clouds are just hard lol

rain scarab
mellow void
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Might be less prevalent when it's sunny

rain scarab
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I dont think thats it even looking down the trialing is quite rough.. the game feels like it has a lot of graphical glitches fro me in general.

nova socket
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You using FFXVI Fix and SK?

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DLSS Transformer?

rain scarab
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No FG, DLSS transformer but this scene looked kinda the same across all upscaling solutions I tried, maybe a bit different.
I'm using SK now, I didnt before however.

nova socket
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You turned off motion blur and vignette?

rain scarab
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Yes.

nova socket
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🤷‍♂️

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I just tested 4K + DLSS Q preset K with no FG

rain scarab
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I think you can see around the head in paricular

nova socket
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try FFXVI fix

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thats the only other thing I am using that is different to your setup

prime scaffold
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it was included in SK

nova socket
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Then I dont know

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vignette and other post process being setup incorrectly with FG was my guess for the first video

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I only get ghosting with FG on and even then it isnt anywhere as noticeable as that first video, it certainly doesn't have the screen edge outline

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Ok I'm testing it now in Rosaria

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Just turned on vignette and I'm getting the same edge ghosting as in the first video

spring pelican
nova socket
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I noticed whilst I was playing that with FFXVI fix, I would need to go into the menu then settings to stop motion blur from applying

Even though I've disabled it in Fix

spring pelican
rain scarab
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you can also see it here on that lady and that edge
looks like serious case of temporal instability for whatever reason

nova socket
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That's SSR issue

spring pelican
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Yep SSR

nova socket
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Parper try turning on and then off vignette and setting motion blur from and then back to zero

spring pelican
nova socket
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Motion blur should be off with FG anyways but it still applies at the start of the game 🤷‍♂️

Just going into the menu (not changing anything) then pressing esc turns off motion blur

spring pelican
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I don't use FG in ff6 but motion blur definitely never got triggered back on

nova socket
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In FFXIV I need to go into full screen then back into borderless for DLSS Q to apply on every game stsrt

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It's all just a square enix thing

spring pelican
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Lol yea

spring pelican
nova socket
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No

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And I don't have it set to be on in FFXVI fix

spring pelican
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Oh maybe it is happening to me and i never noticed

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Idk whatever lol

nova socket
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I only mentioned it because Parpar mentioned vignette being off yet I just tested it on my end and the visuals bugs from the first video only happen to me with vignette on

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As such I'm guessing vignette isn't truly off

spring pelican
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Could be

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I haven't even finished this game yet. I just can't deal with the boring as shit parts in between main story missions

nova socket
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Post processing off and no FG

nova socket
spring pelican
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I didn't play 14. But I'm playing ff7 remake now and the pacing seems better than 16

nova socket
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Love the story in that game to bits but it perfectaly encapsulates CB3

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High peaks in story and writing followed by your typically MMO fetch quest slop

spring pelican
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Yep

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I guess they're all like that to some degree. Ff16 is just like SO much of it

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I wish i could have a bot play it for me in between main segments

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Lol

rain scarab
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this is also annoying me rn

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bc i wanted to revert the dlss overdrive

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Just in case

dapper cape
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the Nvidia app is cursed

spring pelican
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Yea, not using it until they sunset Control Panel

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I have a feeling that will be a while

mint hawk
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and man its so boring

spring pelican
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Yea I still haven't played it

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I kinda stalled out on FF7 remake too

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lol

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I'm playing KCD2 now

dense salmon
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Finished it with all the side quests and DLCs myself last week. It was not that much of a slog for me, although some side quest felt really bad written. The pacing is quite bad as well.

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But Clive is a character to always be remembered.

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Soken's work on the OST is class

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That alone was a highlight for me in this game

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