✅Luma: Prey (2017)

[lunar remnant]

giving myself a meaningless pat on the back for the fact that i apparently intuitively follow the oficial recs lol 🙄

honestly it depends a bit on the game and the environment (day/night/curtains etc) but i tend to land somewhere between 120 and 180 for 800 peak

[ruby heart]

whoever decided 203 as a standardized paper white should be shot

[celest jewel]

203 is reasonable for a moderately lit room

[fossil igloo]

https://youtu.be/DdZTUXhaQpQ?si=y7n1tbSHJApxnaRp

It's based on content that already existed.

[kindred stratus]

SIMPTEA

[ruby heart]

I have a highly lit room and I find 203 almost eye searing 😛

[celest jewel]

In prey?

[ruby heart]

No no

Just talking about 203 nits as norm for paperwhite

[celest jewel]

Depends on the game

If it’s a super overexposed game like plague tale requiem

Then 203 is a lot

But in almost every game I’ve played 203 is pretty comfortable even in a dim room

[subtle plover]

prey is weird

like... contrasty but also raised mid tones?

[ruby heart]

And 204 is a lot if you use the slider to set it for desktop usage (which is why I keep it low)

[celest jewel]

It’s fine for me during daytime

During night it’s a little much

[subtle plover]

u ppl are nuts 😄

80 is way too high for Windows

but I mean

I live in pitch black

[ruby heart]

Musa is a nutter

[subtle plover]

I'd go for 40 at night

[celest jewel]

I keep the blinds open during day time

[ruby heart]

See how many reno he puts out

[subtle plover]

Please Bill allow the slider to go to 40

[ruby heart]

Total nutter

[fossil igloo]

i set the min to 48, which is cinema spec

[ruby heart]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-17729711691959966457

[subtle plover]

80 nits is too much even if full blown day if it's not sunny

[wraith gazelle]

Meanwhile, some SDR monitors are blasting 400 nits SDR xD

It's really a shame that there's no real SDR standard, monitor manufacturers just want the brightest screen for marketing reasons

[subtle plover]

you can always lower the brightness from the physical monitor settings

but that's a pain

using sRGB on SDR stuff while in HDR also makes things worse because it raises blacks, so on average the image is brighter.

[subtle plover]

Fixed radial blur being twice as strong in ultrawide (screenshots show the issue)

[subtle plover]

16:9, UW after, UW before

SSR (and the rest) before and after

[subtle plover]

no idea what I'm doing

[lusty moss]

1. width
2. ?
3. ?
4. height
5. ?
6. draw distance
7. fov
8. ?
9. ?
10. ?

[subtle plover]

there's some above yes

[subtle plover]

here

[gritty pasture]

i get this every time i try to launch

and im on steam btw

[gritty pasture]

@subtle plover any chance u could help

oh my god its becuase of chairloader isnt it

nvm sorry for the ping

[lone nacelle]

should be supported soon

[gritty pasture]

Thanks

[subtle plover]

can u build a version and upload it here? Joseph could test for us

[lone nacelle]

@gritty pasture

[subtle plover]

@lusty moss could u test it too? This supports Epic Store and Chairloader 🙂

(drop it on top of the nexus version of the mod, incremental update)

[lone nacelle]

(we haven't tested this at all)

[gritty pasture]

Gimme a minute

just to make sure im putting it in the correct place i need to put it in common/prey correct?

if thats the case still crashing

[subtle plover]

replace the file where it already was

the same folder as Prey.exe

[gritty pasture]

AH

[gritty pasture]

@subtle plover @lone nacelle it boots!!!

i get this error while loading into a save

but when i press ok im able to play

is there a way to show the cursor so i can use the console menus?

[lusty moss]

I will when I get home 🫡

[gritty pasture]

I can do more testing tomorrow but it looks like it works flawlessly

[subtle plover]

This is ok.

[subtle plover]

i don't know, the mod doesn't affect that

[gritty pasture]

anyone know a way to center the recticle?

[celest jewel]

ctrl+f "reticle"

[rancid sparrow]

I'm currently experiencing what I believe is the same issue in this message here: #1262582420239286372 message
I don't want to use HDR because it's very buggy for me and either reverts my display back to SDR when I launch a game or freezes my system. I followed what Lilium said in reply to the message I linked and found using gamescope with HDR does fix the HDR issues as well as the darkness but it's inconvenient for me and I'd prefer just to use SDR. Is there any config option somewhere I could change to workaround the SDR darkness?

[woeful pagoda]

just reply with this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTR3SlBz3Lw

my only issue is complicated mods where the instructions aren't clear or make zero sense (like actually though)

or mod pages that look like they've been formatted by a 5 year old

there was a cyberpunk mod that fit this description. Let me find it one sec

https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/9274

[subtle plover]

I'm an ELI5 strong believer

[woeful pagoda]

To be fair, good communication skills are not easy to learn. Like I still struggle with that. My job consists of taking huge complicated analysis and dumbing it down for upper management because most upper mangaement are straight morons and can't even use excel

so I have to list like 4 bulletpoints to explain something insanely complicated

[lusty moss]

I'm testing it now

but it looks worse than vanilla

[subtle plover]

Do u have HDR

[lusty moss]

wdym?

the problem I see most clearly is antialiasing

[subtle plover]

Is your monitor HDR.

[lusty moss]

idk

but it shouldn't matter for AA

[subtle plover]

Check.

[subtle plover]

You don't like dlss?

[lusty moss]

well it's supposed to be better isn't it?

but I'm getting shimmering

[subtle plover]

Something might be wrong then. I'll have to try it.

I'm refactoring some stuff now so I can't.

[lusty moss]

does anything need to be enabled in reshade or such?

I just got new options in my menus

[subtle plover]

You need ReShade.

Press home.

[lusty moss]

nah I have it

[subtle plover]

U should see the Luma settings.

[lusty moss]

it's just I didn't see the shader I put there to be enabled

hmm

[subtle plover]

luma is not a reshade effect

its got its own menu

there's a screenshot on nexus

[slim saddle]

@subtle plover Do you have plans to implement the new DLSS4 and its transformer model? 😉

[subtle plover]

it's just a dll swap AFAIK so yes.

[ocean remnant]

I'm more curious to know how hard was it to implement DLSS in this game?

It already had motion vectors and stuff?

[subtle plover]

Weeks of work.

[languid jacinth]

Out of curiosity, what was the hardest part of the mod?

[subtle plover]

DLSS and in general TAA required a massive amount of reverse engineering, or well, simply decoding their logic.
They had variables called "Previous projection matrix" which were actually like, the current view matrix (something completely different). You can imagine how that fucks all your understanding of the code until you realize the name itself was wrong.

None of it made sense until I got that. And then there was basically mathematical error in every like of code regarding TAA and motion vectors.

A lot of busy work in capturing all the shader permutations, they have a tonemap shader unique for when an enemy is close by and you are looking at the sun and FXAA is enabled or not etc.

Getting the Sun looking right took a good amount of attempts, though maybe it wasn't hard in itself.

The difficulty of adding HDR to Prey is probably the highest of the mods around here, not to brag, but it was very non HDR friendly code. Especially with the quality threshold I had, and some obsessions I have with perfection that made it take longer.

Control was equally as complicated.

[slim saddle]

The end result is marvelous though, so it was worth it!

in combination with GTAO even transformative in many places!

[lusty moss]

I'm gonna try it again, something probably went wrong

[subtle plover]

And yeah the GTAO was also a brain fuck as I had no idea what I was doing at first, I was helped by some ReShade coders though.

[subtle plover]

Nothing changed. The Epic version could still be broken. I'm still rewriting the mod framework to be game agnostic.

[lusty moss]

I disabled CL to try it out

mostly dlss seems to work quite well, except minor shimmering, but

why did you disable motion blur

[subtle plover]

You can re enable it in advanced settings

[lusty moss]

it's at "high"

[subtle plover]

It's done before TAA so it's low quality.

In the Luma advanced settings tab.

[lusty moss]

it's the same regardless of what I set it to

[subtle plover]

CAMERA_MOTION_BLUR

Send a screenshot of the settings.

[subtle plover]

Luma settings, in imgui.

Reshade home button.

[lusty moss]

hmm

could you send me a screenshot of how it's supposed to look?

I don't have anything except typical reshade stuff

[subtle plover]

https://staticdelivery.nexusmods.com/mods/1962/images/149/149-1735502172-2107689489.png

[subtle plover]

Check the addons tab, is the mod in the list?
If not, check the log and check if there's any errors.

You need the latest version of vc++ Redist to load the mod.

[subtle plover]

The mod isn't even loaded. I can tell from the screenshot.

[lusty moss]

doesn't change anything

bruh

I think you should specify you need a certain version of reshade

6+ or whatever idk

and not just say you need "reshade"

[subtle plover]

https://github.com/Filoppi/Prey-Luma/blob/8f4870e59d11d035883080841c1cebdb5c77c19b/Data/Prey-Luma-ReadMe.txt#L32

It says

[lusty moss]

I see some improvements now yeah

but the motion blur is still not there

I did reload shaders later but no help 😦

[subtle plover]

Reload shaders.

[lusty moss]

I did

it made the ui look normal

yellow inventory was weird

https://www.reddit.com/r/prey/comments/ru37gg/the_reflection_in_this_window_shows_a_note_and/
https://www.reddit.com/r/prey/comments/wzd48i/whats_behind_the_looking_glass_explanation_in/

have you seen anything that'd suggest these things can be turned off?

[subtle plover]

This is content. They are level cubemaps, I have no way to change them. With the chairloader level edit I suppose it might be possible to change them.

But. Reflections are not meant to be looked at, they are just there to give an impression.

[subtle plover]

So motion blur works?

[lusty moss]

silly idea

[lusty moss]

no, it didn't

[subtle plover]

Cubemaps can never be accurate, have never been. Nor are screen space reflections. They are a cheat.

If you ask game developers, they will all tell you they are just there as an eye trick.

If you look at their content, you are expecting something that is not expected, so you will be let down in all cases.

These could be made better, but they'd still be geometrically non accurate and look weird. They always do.

Best you can do is accept that cubemaps are wrong and approximate and not look at them.

[subtle plover]

I might have disabled it in the config too.

[lusty moss]

nah I mean as an idea they're silly

[lusty moss]

is it present there? it doesn't show up results for motion or blur

autoexec.cfg

[subtle plover]

Game.cfg

[lusty moss]

yeah that worked

[lusty moss]

@subtle plover can the resolution be increased/such?

also it works

[subtle plover]

increased more than what?

[lusty moss]

like, without changing ui and such

rendering resolution

two times my current one is too much

somewhere in between

[lusty moss]

shadows don't

but taa at least, and menus, seem to

[subtle plover]

?

[subtle plover]

no, you can't go beyond native (monitor) resolution, not with Luma.

you also don't really need to with DLAA.

[lusty moss]

is that an option?

I don't recall seeing it in the options

[subtle plover]

click DLSS and u get DLAA.

[lusty moss]

already have dlss clicked

my problem is more edges and such I guess

[subtle plover]

does it have a tick next to it?

[subtle plover]

like this.

send a screenshot showcasing how edges are bad pls

[lusty moss]

yeah it does

[lusty moss]

that's more of a video thing I'm afraid

[subtle plover]

when the camera moves

edges can do a bit of this

https://tenor.com/view/bart-simpson-the-simpson-dance-eat-gif-15779613

(bart's hair)

https://tenor.com/view/shark-finding-nemo-bruce-grin-grinning-gif-27437427

or that

it can't be easily fixed

[lusty moss]

Looks okay

I’m on mobile though

🤷‍♂️ idk I guess it could be okay and I’m just being very visually critical in ways I’m typically not

[subtle plover]

on mobile what?

[lusty moss]

Phone

[subtle plover]

you are streaming on a mobile?

[lusty moss]

What?

I’m talking about the simpsons gif

[gritty pasture]

how are you gettng ur mouse cursor back?

[lusty moss]

🤷‍♂️

[subtle plover]

Yeah. Well said. The widely known PC HDR settings.

[sleek gorge]

you should just delete and block such morons

[slim saddle]

So, I tried to force the new profile J via nv inspector to get the new transformer model in the new DLSS file from Cyberpunk. It works but immediately noticed it breaks bloom, potentially other pp effects too. Quality wise is good and crisp. 😉

Will return to the previous dlss version for the moment but it was good as an experiment

[subtle plover]

could you provide some comparisons?

wdym it breaks bloom?

[slim saddle]

There was no bloom anymore on light spots where i loaded a save

[slim saddle]

Will do

[subtle plover]

I doubt that is possible

[slim saddle]

You should know better of course but this is what I immediately noticed

I’ll grab some screens, i have not touched any settings in luma mod since yesterday evening when i played some

don't know what's going on as I cannot reproduce. The CNN model file (dlss 3.8) provides the same picture, but in the level i'm in i don't seem to have bloom on light fixtures. Will look into this more closely but the bloom has a very distinctive look in your latest update and now I cannot seem to have it anymore. Will come back with more info once I play some more and change level too

[subtle plover]

I changed the formula to generate bloom to be more TAA friendly

does it look worse now?

[slim saddle]

you mean the latest bloom vs the one before?

[slim saddle]

Not entirely sure how to answer then. The new one i found to have a very precise or defined glow so to speak, also seemed to me in places maybe a tad too strong? Looks good i would say maybe not very cinematic or artistic but gets the job done very well.

[subtle plover]

I don't usually notice bloom that much

it looks about the same as before to me

I just changed the filering, the intent was to have it look the same but temporally stable (no flickering)

unfortunately to fix flickering it had to end up looking a bit different

[slim saddle]

yeah, I think with higher mid point values can be too strong, nevertheless good job on it imo and no need to OCD over it

[slim saddle]

I am now in a different level and bloom is back. I was in Neuromod Division when I noticed the lack of bloom. Maybe it was supposed to look like that idk

[jolly loom]

Was audio adjusted in some way with this mod? Prey always had a bizarre sound mix (my main issue being the weirdly short range that most SFX have), but I feel like the severity of that particular issue is reduced with this. Maybe I'm just misremembering.

Also, this looks fantastic even in SDR. Maxed out SSR adds a ton to areas with lots of reflective surfaces, and the "Sun glare" (probably incorrect terminology) looks much more like what I'd expect in space. Very cool to see the screens looking as intended as well, I never knew they were meant to have that effect.

[lusty moss]

what screens?

[subtle plover]

No change

[lunar remnant]

humanity was a mistake

[lunar remnant]

i genuinely used to invest the time to try to teach peeps things and correct their misunderstandings, and i still do with ppl irl, but a major change in in my internet behaviour in the last few years has been that ive come around 💯 to your approach. the effort is so rarely worth it that we can just round it up to never worth it.

[fossil wing]

How can I use your mod on an epic games prey?

[subtle plover]

here

[subtle plover]

^

[fossil wing]

I just add this to the root directory of the game?

[subtle plover]

replace the file wherever it was before

[fossil wing]

thanks I'll see what I can do

[fossil wing]

Had to reinstall reshade but it worked. Much appreciated

[arctic lynx]

Hi everybody. When using this mod, my rtx 4060 in full hd is constantly loaded at 100%, although the game without the mod loaded the video card by no more than 40%, I also noticed that with the mod the fps does not exceed the frame rate of the monitor, even with Vsync turned off. Is it possible to solve the problem with a huge GPU load? My settings:

[subtle plover]

the mod the fps does not exceed the frame rate of the monitor
That's a good thing, it's VRR

[subtle plover]

have you tried disabling each setting and seeing which ones affects the GPU load?

high GPU load is a good thing theoretically, it means your GPU is getting taken advantage of.

[arctic lynx]

It's quite unusual to see a 2017 game load the GPU by 100%, which can negatively affect the life of the graphics card.

[subtle plover]

use DLSS and DRS

or lower the quality settings

[arctic lynx]

When DLSS is turned on or off, the GPU load is still 100%, while there are no FPS drawdowns. For the sake of interest, I increased the refresh rate of the monitor from 60 Hz to 75 Hz and changed the sys_MaxFPS parameter to 75. The game also runs smoothly at 100% GPU load. It feels like the graphics card is always overloaded to 100%.

[subtle plover]

downclock your card then, don't know what to say

you can download the test version of the mod from nexus

and try to disable features and determine which ones are the most expensive

[pale nest]

I too don't like using the hardware that I bought

[subtle plover]

you need to enable Dynamic/Adaptive Resolution Scaling in the game settings*

[sand olive]

pahaha

[arctic lynx]

I realized what the problem was. I measured the workload of the GPU using the Xbox game panel. When using Reshade, the overlay of this program loads the video card at 100%, so I thought that the mod creates a lot of load.

[finite shoal]

Do epic version working yet?

[subtle plover]

The link is in a pinned message

[twin matrix]

Hi, my game is weirdly dark with this mod and seems like some of the options are missing int he ReShade UI too 😅

I don't have an HDR monitor and I'm on Linux btw

I wonder if I somehow missed an installation step or something?

These are the only settings I'm getting, but maybe the others are only supposed to show up in HDR mode?

On the other hand the game looks like this 😅

Which is not nearly as dark as it looks in the screenshots on Nexus

I can't see the darkest symbol even with the brightness turned all the way up in the settings

The colours seem... off somehow too 😅

[subtle plover]

It looks like Linux can't handle scRGB buffers in SDR mode, or at least, well, doesn't encode them to sRGB.
@kindred stratus do u know?

the game always runs in scRBG.

enforces sRGB gamma (instead of 2.2) in SDR mode, so it appears correct in SDR in Windows.

[twin matrix]

Oh oof

Does this mean I'm stuck with the terrible vanilla AA? 😅

[subtle plover]

no

[twin matrix]

Huh, what other options do I have though? Cause from what you said it sounds like Linux just doesn't support the way this mod is implemented

[subtle plover]

try this shader

replace it in

Prey-Luma/Luma_TransferFunctionCopy_0xFFFFFFF2.ps_5_0.hlsl

[twin matrix]

Alright

[subtle plover]

u don;'t need to restart the game

[twin matrix]

Too late lmao

I already quit cause I wasn't sure and figured I'd play it safe

[kindred stratus]

no clue

[subtle plover]

is this Proton?

[twin matrix]

Yeah

Steam version of the game

No idea what version though, whatever Steam defaulted to 😅

Should've grabbed the skip intro mod while I was at it

[twin matrix]

This worked, thanks!

[subtle plover]

looks like I might have to add an SDR Linux mode

[twin matrix]

I'm curious about why it worked though 😅

[subtle plover]

because linux is not applying the display encoding on HDR buffers

for some reason, not in SDR mode.

Windows does.

(gamma, broadly speaking)

[twin matrix]

Yeah but I mean why did replacing that shader fix it?

[subtle plover]

because I applied the encoding for you.

[twin matrix]

Ohhhhh damn

Thanks!

[subtle plover]

i don't know if it looks exactly as intended, i'll test it for my next version

[twin matrix]

Looks close enough!

[subtle plover]

https://tenor.com/view/bed-time-gif-21640936

[twin matrix]

Unfortunately, I'm pretty broke 😔

I can give you little a donation but it will be more like, tip-sized :P

[pliant fable]

lol

@pale nest

[pale nest]

Yeah I read the start and then didn't read the rest lmao

[pliant fable]

The dense mofo is actually arguing with pumbo lol

He's like in the half step

Knows that sk does work on dx11 but then goes completely monkey afterwards

[vital dagger]

I think he is one of those guys who thinks hdr is all about those DCI-P3-colors

[summer elk]

On that note, happened to catch a very funny interaction between pumbo and a user of the Control mod.

[languid jacinth]

https://youtu.be/krHgMjyC_NY?si=uTbUmYuyEE_wn1WW

[pliant fable]

Learn hdr bro

Monsieur tarpini what do you knowz about hdr

[severe halo]

damn i didn't know 99% of consoles players were using 4K SDR TVs

[sleek gorge]

man I love seeing this kind of shit

intellectually challenged random online shit talks an actual expert

[pliant fable]

The next answers are worse

[sleek gorge]

I mean it's sad that people are like this

but you gotta laugh to avoid crying

[pliant fable]

He just needs to a good explanation imo

[subtle plover]

time for somebody else to comment 😄

[pliant fable]

I will

Or jdsp

[sleek gorge]

Is it worth anyone's time, and do you even expect this person to go like oh my bad I was totally wrong

[pliant fable]

Eh

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[celest jewel]

Someone had to provide pushback

Cause other people are gonna see the comment

I added a comment

[languid jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/john-jonah-jameson-lol-laughing-hysterically-laughing-out-loud-funny-gif-17710543

[subtle plover]

im not an expert but you certainly are less than me because everybody is dumber than me

[languid jacinth]

"not a very high level" and "some" are doing soooooooo much heavy lifting in that sentence

[celest jewel]

This guy is insane

[languid jacinth]

Damn, he's not backing out

[pliant fable]

Oh well

[subtle plover]

is this a troll from HDR den

[languid jacinth]

oh

[subtle plover]

it's like

pasta is not made of wheat
wheat is made from pasta
GO LOOK IT UP

[celest jewel]

this guy is pissed

[languid jacinth]

Or dedicated to the bit

Gotta admit, he knows his gaslighting well

[celest jewel]

@subtle plover does prey use rg11b10 or rgba16 before going to rgba8_unorm

without your mod I mean

[subtle plover]

fp16

FP11 might not have existed back then

[celest jewel]

i think this is a good enough reply

2. sRGB uses BT.709 primaries, which set the gamut boundaries, the chromaticity limits of colors within the space, but this does not mean values cannot exceed 1.0. HDR in this case still allows brightness values above 1.0, independent of gamut. This is why DXVK HDR for Far Cry 1 works so well, by upgrading the render targets and swapchain to RGBA16_FLOAT, the 1.0 clamping is removed, enabling full HDR output. The confusion here is mistaking gamut limits (what colors exist in a space) with HDR luminance values (how bright a color can be). They are not the same. (999, 0, 0) in sRGB for example would be an insanely bright and saturated red , but it would still be within the bounds of BT.709.

3. Ultimately my main point is that luminance values above the SDR range do exist internally in these games earlier in the rendering pipeline, it's just that colors outside of the BT.709 gamut do not exist. This mod for Prey addresses both of these. The luminance values above 1.0 are allowed to pass through by not limiting the tonemapping to 1.0 and a technique called LUT extrapolation is applied in BT.2020 PQ to take an SDR LUT and allow for HDR values past 1.0 and in the BT.2020 color space to pass through it. Another thing to note is that the mod uses scRGB as its color space. This is a color space backwards compatible with sRGB as it still uses BT.709 primaries, but it still allows for colors outside of BT.709 because it uses a signed float. This means that a super saturated BT.2020 red could be stored as (1.0, -0.1, -0.1) for example. By modifying the entire post processing pipeline to be negative safe, the mod author has essentially both added HDR support and not broken anything or screwed up the original art direction by applying post processing effects with incorrect primaries.

The code for the mod is all available for you to see here:
https://github.com/Filoppi/Prey-Luma/tree/main/Data/Binaries/Danielle/x64/Release/Prey-Luma

I urge you to try the mod and see if you like it. This is on par with some of the best native HDR implementations in my opinion.

[summer elk]

He’s dug in and emotional over a bunch of nothing, he’s probably gonna “pick this apart” (incorrectly of course).

Would be nice if he tried it though

[pliant fable]

i've had someone very delusional like that recently I just hide him from the channel

[cloud moss]

Imagine if this level of energy and dedication was compacted to contribute to something instead of just blasting away in the comments

[subtle plover]

https://tenor.com/view/mundo-feliz-onetreehsll-world-if-gif-14071235670792471304

[celest jewel]

His argument is “I’m right you can even ask AI and it agrees with me”

[hallow dune]

idk if this is a bad question to ask here, but where is the prey mod with DLSS 4 and compatible with chairloader?

[subtle plover]

.

[vital dagger]

like "the internet" or "AI" would be any good source for information by itself. I'm all for educating and/or enlighting people but this one is either a troll or too self-absorbed

but that you guys tried anyway makes me like this community even more 🙂

[pliant fable]

hdr is just rec 2020 colors guys

nothing else

[celest jewel]

[subtle plover]

stop answering...

[celest jewel]

never

[subtle plover]

you are lowering your intellect to their level and wasting your time

it's either a troll or a massive duchebag

[celest jewel]

seeing him get more angry is enjoyable to me

[subtle plover]

people stick with their argument to feel good about themselves and protect themselves from the world

[subtle plover]

perv 😄

[languid jacinth]

Also, someone who doesn't know better might be swung by his gaslighting

[celest jewel]

he's been called out by multiple people now

[subtle plover]

exactly

[celest jewel]

if I stop responding it may look like I had no response and he won

[subtle plover]

but i mean, look at this world

[languid jacinth]

So did a lot of grifters that are still very popular

[celest jewel]

I'm waiting for him to tap out

[subtle plover]

there's idiots at the top of countries 😛

and people love em

so what can you do...

[languid jacinth]

Don't give them the oxygen

Attention is what they feed on

[lusty moss]

the feeling is mutual

"I love the poorly educated"

[celest jewel]

he's getting more frustrated already, at this point I'm the one that's trolling him

[languid jacinth]

Are you really

[celest jewel]

I'm not giving into name calling and it seems to be bothering him

he wanted a way out by pissing me off

but I just don't get angry at stuff like this

[languid jacinth]

I don't think that's how it works

[celest jewel]

the way I see it

he's trying to goad me with ad hominem

so I snap and say something back

and then he can claim the moral high ground and say that I'm not worth arguing with

[subtle plover]

invite him for dinner, cook for him over a long chat about HDR 😛

[languid jacinth]

The "we go high when they go low" tactic never works

[languid jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-star-trek-gif-19129737

[celest jewel]

I’m not going high

I know he’s getting frustrated which is why I’m not stopping

I’m intentionally bothering him

[languid jacinth]

Are you really

Or is he just happy you are giving him an outlet to spread misinformation

[celest jewel]

Anyone who opens the thread is gonna see him getting corrected like 100 times

[languid jacinth]

https://youtu.be/wmVkJvieaOA?list=PLJA_jUddXvY7v0VkYRbANnTnzkA_HMFtQ

[celest jewel]

I'm not playing defense

I guess the short, quippy, and wrong thing is true

he is definitely doing that

[languid jacinth]

Is this wrong

[celest jewel]

ya but

I'm enjoying this too much

[celest jewel]

there's already someone else in the thread telling him he doesn't know what he's talking about

also he's already conceded stuff earlier in the thread

so he's not even doing the alt right playbook shit right

[celest jewel]

I see that I am coming across as a liberal

I should kill myself

[languid jacinth]

He absolutely does

[celest jewel]

this is literally worse than any insult that guy said to me

[languid jacinth]

I mean, what is this about then at this point?
You're not winning the argument
You're not changing his mind
If you're hoping you are gonna get him to rage quit, you're not, he's clearly too invested in having the final word for that

You're not gonna own him with facts and logic because those things don't mean shit to him

[celest jewel]

I still have this desire to unravel the inner workings of his mind

A brain that smooth needs to be studied

[subtle plover]

you could have modded HDR into Crysis in all that time

[celest jewel]

crysis 2 has an HDR HUD if you upgrade the swapchain/RTs

[subtle plover]

shit game

[celest jewel]

Honestly ya

The visuals are nice though

Good enough for me to have beaten the original and the remaster

[summer elk]

I genuinely think this could be an AI chatbot instructed to be argumentative at all costs lmao.

They basically deny that rec 709 range exists as a subset of the color space. I’m curious definitionally, what percentage of colors on screen need to be greater than rec 709 for them.

[celest jewel]

ya it's just ever changing arguments that are also all incorrect

they left another comment mostly conceding

and then they say that they suspect pumbo is still using some form of autohdr

but aren't sure

[subtle plover]

well he is right that in the scene there wasn't any BT.2020 colors

[celest jewel]

really bizarre way of weaseling out of saying they're wrong

[subtle plover]

they are made up

[celest jewel]

ya

the entire image is made up

its a computer game

[subtle plover]

exactly

[lusty moss]

amazing

[languid jacinth]

I don't think AI would get so combative, but I could be wrong

[slim saddle]

I actually loved it… enough to play it a few times. Still have it installed and would love to test a reno mod on it! 😉

[summer elk]

I also liked crysis 2 for what it is. It's a disappointing sequel but I think it's a fine game on its own.

[subtle plover]

I don't like any of them 😅

[slim saddle]

Damn, with your knowledge now of Cryengine inner stuff, this means bad news for those of us hoping to experience the Crysis trilogy in all mighty HDR glory…

[subtle plover]

Indeed.

Also the remasters are DX12

[slim saddle]

Pretty please? 🙏🥺

[subtle plover]

It's at the very bottom of my list

[slim saddle]

I’ll take it as a glimpse of hope!

[languid jacinth]

Especially the high opinion people have on the first game confounds me, I've tried going through the game like maybe 4 times now, and I always get bored to tears like a couple of hours in
Shooting is not fun, stealth is not fun, AI is dumb and cheats, and the immersive sim aspects are laughably shallow
The story and writing are so bad the game would be actively better without them

[celest jewel]

I’ve beaten 2 but never beat 1

I quit 1 pretty early on

[languid jacinth]

Yeah 2 is not awful I guess
It's basically a diet Halo, but at least combat is somewhat entertaining
3 tries to bridge the two, but ends up being neither here nor there

[celest jewel]

2 is the only one I’ve properly beat. 3 I started getting bored and installed a trainer so I could speed run through the rest of the story

[subtle plover]

They are all tech demos

[languid jacinth]

Credit where the credit is due, the guy voicing the MC in 3 went above and being trying to sell THE ALPHA CEPTH line

[slim saddle]

I’m probably too old that i can still appreciate them… have fond memories when they were launched

But admittedly they are not up to par to other good more modern ones…

Not many in this (good) category though, sadly.

Nostalgia surely plays it’s part, so I’m not unbiased

Still, would love to play them once more at their absolute best image quality wise

[subtle plover]

btw that's an issue with Proton. We should report it.

[twin matrix]

Oh huh!

Not really sure what I can do personally other than open an issue and say "game too dark, modder explained why but I didn't really understand most of it" though 😅

Also genuine question, how common is HDR these days? Cause I don't think I've ever actually seen an HDR screen IRL and last time I checked they were prohibitively expensive. I'm still on a 1080p SDR TV and use a 10 year old 1440p SDR monitor for my PC lol

[celest jewel]

Basically every new tv sold nowadays has hdr support

Usually not great hdr

[subtle plover]

that's all fine

unless you spent 4000k on the latest NV GPUs

in that case, you'd be wasting money on a great GPU bottlenecked by crap monitors

which is a thing we see pretty often.

Given that... HDR and monitors aren't made by a single powerful company, they don't really have the advertisement power than NV has to brainwash everybody into buying their latest GPU, even if then they have the crappiest monitor

[twin matrix]

Lmao

Fair

I thought HDR was either a thing you have or don't have 💀

[subtle plover]

not sure what that means

[celest jewel]

He’s saying a good GPU is worthless if you have a bad monitor. Tons of people have great GPUs and terrible monitors. Someone with a 5090 and a bad monitor is gonna have a worse looking result than someone with a 4070 and a good monitor

[twin matrix]

No yeah I just meant I thought HDR is just, either supported or not supported, didn't know there's good HDR and bad HDR

[celest jewel]

Rtings.com does technical breakdowns of monitors. That’s where I consult before making a purchase

[subtle plover]

as many other things, it's often used as a marketing gimmick to sell products.
Monitors/TVs can have terrible terrible HDR, that is worse than SDR, but they will still advertise it as it sounds good.

[summer elk]

I'm like 90% sure I remember DF saying they're dx11 and they built on a vulkan extension for the RT 🤔

[celest jewel]

ya they are

[kindred stratus]

that's only the first game iirc?

[summer elk]

maybe

I don't think they added any rt for 3, but they did for 2 and I'm not totally sure what they did there I suppose

[kindred stratus]

nah it's all of them

[subtle plover]

pcgw usually has the DirectX version at the bottom of game's pages

[summer elk]

hm, my memory is too hazy on this I guess

[kindred stratus]

yeah I just checked:
dx11 + using Vulkan extensions for RT

[subtle plover]

what a weird thing

how does that even work

you share textures between devices from different APIs?

[summer elk]

I feel the first game is primarily ruined by horrid AI. It's just not good enough to backup the design goals. I conceptually like crysis 1 and that is enough for me to have a bit of a soft spot for it, but it's not great. Crysis 2 is honestly a much better game, but it achieves that by abandoning the design goals of the first game and is a less interesting game because of it. 3 has always done absolutely nothing for me.

[kindred stratus]

https://community.khronos.org/t/directx-11-vulkan-interoperability/104999/6

there is more if you google

[subtle plover]

Time to add RT to Prey

[kindred stratus]

you can share between d3d11 and d3d12 a lot easier

[languid jacinth]

Yeah, conceptually the game sounds great but the execution never comes together
Every time I hear people praising the game I feel like they like the ideas the game has more than the game itself

[subtle plover]

I don't think anybody actually ever played that game

people just test the FPS

[lusty moss]

fr?

[subtle plover]

no 😄

[pliant fable]

bruh he came on my channel and comment in FRENCH

LMAO

[subtle plover]

?

[pliant fable]

the dood

[subtle plover]

ahh

i'm sorry you have such a dumb compatriot

[severe halo]

we don't claim him

[pliant fable]

[languid jacinth]

Good god, they are still on it

[subtle plover]

yeah it's unbelievable

never seen someone talk SO MUCH about something they have no idea of

like, usually at some point they either accept they are wrong, or give up

[celest jewel]

I’m sorry I can’t stop

It’s consumed me

[subtle plover]

when you prove people wrong with no way for them to come back, in my experience they just don't answer...

but this guy 😄

damn this guy votes 😛

[languid jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/reality-substitute-replaced-adam-savage-mythbusters-gif-10816078

[subtle plover]

RTX Unclips, Reno double clips!!11!

[pliant fable]

yeah it's

defo google translated

lmao

if he gets too clingy i'll just delete him from channel

https://tenor.com/view/bully-maguire-gif-24536770

[celest jewel]

I’ve heard AI is pretty good at translating

[subtle plover]

could be that it's flipping unclip and clip 😄

there was a month where if you google translated

I didn't vote Berlusconi

it translated to

I voted Berlusconi

conspiracy against Reno

[celest jewel]

Bunga bunga time

[celest jewel]

So he’s googling renodx and luma to try and shit talk them on every video

[summer elk]

@celest jewel ask him if he believes there’s a difference between lossy and lossless compression, since it’s the same concept lol.

[celest jewel]

In my next comment I’ll add that

[lusty moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/807809192537882647/1057402832619327618/trim.587E19BD-646A-42B6-B563-3FA70A1AB916.mp4?ex=67a917a0&is=67a7c620&hm=cde98824ba23f0b878933d8b37ef2c7377f3515ff836b3a8bd5ae722dafb6e75&

[pliant fable]

eh whatever he kept saying weird shit like rtx hdr uses the hdr swapchain I just removed him from the channel

not wasting my time

looks like a bot

[subtle plover]

NV market cap bot

[celest jewel]

I forgot to respond to that guy on YouTube

[fossil igloo]

have you linked him dio brando's 3 second tunic video?

[celest jewel]

He started commenting a bunch of nonsense on dio’s page so he blocked him

[fossil igloo]

just an idiot then

there's nothing to really discuss after seeing that video

facts are facts

anything else is garbage

the worst are people who are intentional idiots

[celest jewel]

His claims that even ChatGPT agrees that he’s right

[fossil igloo]

chatgpt can't spell strawberry

yep

[lusty moss]

it's very competent in some ways but not in others

[vale imp]

Forgive the ignorance, how do I know for sure I'm using prey with DLAA? I believe I have everything installed and working.

Edit: After review of the chat and examining how my install looks, I can say that it's running at 1440p native with DLAA.

[valid pulsar]

hi wheres the version thats compatible with chairloader?

[subtle plover]

Pinned

[valid pulsar]

v2a?

[subtle plover]

This

[valid pulsar]

thanks!

[vale imp]

Just drop this over the existing file and that's it?

[vale imp]

When loading the game with Chairloader and LUMA, the Chairloader console does it's thing, then this Prey Luma pop-up shows. Anyway to stop it so it doesn't ask this?

Also, randomly getting these popups which minimize the game:

[modern dove]

Hi guys

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1165308683090137160/1342612914791518259/image.png?ex=67ba4537&is=67b8f3b7&hm=1a0d40c4453d7d364ba67c2c2c390700d349d51f8860d4a84be36afe50d817d5&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1477&height=831

Any clues? This is just after selecting a new game, I just turned off GTAO and set the fps limit to 180

[subtle plover]

Yeah cuz it's a debug build. Ignore them.

[subtle plover]

@lone nacelle cud u make a non dev build? 🙏

[subtle plover]

U sure it doesn't happen without Luma?

[lone nacelle]

it's a release build

debug builds are larger

[subtle plover]

There's DEVELOPMENT and TEST defines at the top of the cpp file.

I'd turn them into build types but... I'd then need to make 9 combinations, each of them with release and debug.

[lone nacelle]

you're saying that deploy (release).bat doesn't deploy release?

[subtle plover]

It's release but u need to disable development manually

[lone nacelle]

ugh

[subtle plover]

Well, it's meant to be off usually but I accidentally submitted it.

Release is builds without debug symbols.

Builds with development tools can still be release, to be fast. Optimized code. It makes a big difference

[lone nacelle]

i know that

[subtle plover]

I just can't stand visual studio on this stuff.

[lone nacelle]

i'm just saying this doesn't make much sense that it's a define

anyway

[subtle plover]

Indeed.

But the alternative is a drop down list with
Release-Test
Release-Development
Release-UserShipping
Debug-Test
Debug-Development
Debug-UserShipping

[lone nacelle]

that's what you get for not using cmake

😄

[subtle plover]

Sure. But I still don't like how that one works either.

Both are flawed.

[vale imp]

@subtle plover Just ran it with this with no issue. Thanks

[vague gull]

Hello. I'm having some major performance hits from using this which doesn't seem to be expected judging by the readme. I'm dropping down to sub 60 fps when in open areas unless I'm in an enclosed area or looking at the floor. This is from a base constant 165 without the mod. The strange thing is that when the fps drops, it seems to be caused by the GPU usage dropping down (70% gpu usage) this is with a fresh install, removing other reshade addons, and no other mods. What am I missing?

AMD card, and I deleted the dll as instructed

[subtle plover]

Epic store?

[vague gull]

gog

it's clearly working, it's just having the severe performance impact. I've tried with and without optiscaler

[obtuse creek]

Boys does this still not work with the Epic store version?

[subtle plover]

It's pinned.

[obtuse creek]

This it?

[obtuse creek]

Alright think i got it, i saw you mention it is possible to turn it off/on to see the difference or see if it's working properly, can you please tell me how i can go about that?

Also i have "Waiting for Livesplit" constantly loading at the top right?

[subtle plover]

That's not connected to Luma, never heard of it.

[subtle plover]

If you see the Luma menu the mod is working. You need debug builds to toggle it live.

[obtuse creek]

Got it, last question, does the RTGI shader work well with this? Or will the mixture introduce problems?

[subtle plover]

Most ReShades don't work on HDR games.

[viral raptor]

Hey brother which directory do I put it in

[subtle plover]

Replace the file by the same name that came with the files from nexus.

In the binaries folder.

[viral raptor]

My files from nexus doesn’t have a preylumareshadeaddon just the preylumareadme ?

[subtle plover]

It's in the binary folder.

[viral raptor]

Ohhhhh duh

[viral raptor]

Thank thank you thank you you thanks you

Yesssss! We LIVEEEEEEE thank you man @subtle plover

Wait… lol

I do not see the luma menu when I press home… ima just uninstall and reinstall everything

[subtle plover]

Addon goes in the same folder as the ReShade dll

[viral raptor]

In the binaries right ?

Then replace

So I replaced the luma in binary from the nexus page download, installed reshade 6.3.3 full add on and now I just drag n drop new nexus download with updated luma in binary to game folder ?

Loading up with fresh install let’s see 🙂

Ya luma isn’t popping up I’m not sure what I’m doing wrong

I think this is the problem epics path is x64-epic so my files never made it

[subtle plover]

Indeed!

Gotta move it manually

Had forgotten.

[viral raptor]

LETS GO!!!!!

TY

[viral raptor]

Is DLAA on by default?

[viral raptor]

Is there Any way we can update dlaa and dlss to 4.0? For those of us with 40 series ?

[languid jacinth]

Download Nvidia inspector, select the game profile, use options to override dlss version and profile used

[viral raptor]

Will I have to turn the dlss and dlaa in reshade off or would be good?

[languid jacinth]

It only works for games with native implementation

[slim saddle]

yes, unfortunately. I checked with the dlss overlay and it is running only preset F

[viral raptor]

Darn the dlss in the mod is good enough 4.0 would be nice though

[pliant fable]

does the mod come with a dll ?

just replace the mod's dll with the 310.2.1

from techpowerup

[viral raptor]

Dlaa & dlss

[slim saddle]

but maybe @subtle plover can make it work somehow? The transformer model is crazy good

[languid jacinth]

Override doesn't work on Prey?

[viral raptor]

It’s not native support si it won’t work ?

[pliant fable]

put the dll first see if it forces the preset k

from drivers

[viral raptor]

That’s what I’m hoping for 🙏

[slim saddle]

it did not work for me. And have now a 5090 btw

[pliant fable]

if it doesn't work then you can use nvprofilinspector or special K

or optiscaler

or idk

[slim saddle]

i went with nvinspector and changed dll of course. I dont kknow how to use special k in this case

[pliant fable]

and it didn't change the preset ?

[slim saddle]

it didn't, it showed preset F

[viral raptor]

R u using it with the luma mod too ?

[slim saddle]

only luma mod provides dlss/dlaa

[pliant fable]

you can try optiscaler it's less invasive than sk

should allow preset override

until pumbo adds it

[viral raptor]

I know I wished it used the newer models though

[slim saddle]

me too, hope we will have it eventually with the next update from authors

[viral raptor]

Bro I can’t fucking get to the second mission I get so distracted looking through every room lmfao why so many hidden rooms

[slim saddle]

It’s part of the game/experience

[ruby pine]

@viral raptor @slim saddle

odd situation, it overrides to use newest dlls but stays on preset F

@pliant fable @languid jacinthyeah i think the mod is doing something to force preset F thats overriding what nvidia driver is trying to do

[slim saddle]

Indeed my findings too!

Hence i said an update from the authors will be necessary

[viral raptor]

An update would be amazingggggg I mean the dlss it uses is fine but better is better 🙂

Wish it used a better anti aliasing, do I have to use fx? Smaa is incompatible with it correct?

[pliant fable]

Uhm wut

Dlaa is antialiasing no?

[karmic smelt]

Overriding the DLSS preset works with DLSSTweaks, fyi

just being able to use the driver to force it would be ideal, obviously

but I don't see any issues doing it with DLSSTweaks

[viral raptor]

Yes, but this old version of dlaa isn’t so good with medium to far range objects, I can see rough edges but that’s just me being picky a normal gamer would never notice

[viral raptor]

#1262582420239286372 message

[pliant fable]

It's still infinitely far better than smaa

Or any other aa method

[viral raptor]

You just here to argue huh

The mod uses fxaa on top of dlaa, I would use msaa but it’s im compatible with mod from what I read so u have to use fxaa it’s the only option

Railings, elevator shafts anything small pipe like still a little jaggy corners with the old dlaa mod uses, it’s HARDLY noticeable like I said twice before, but an update to newer dlaa would be preem

[pliant fable]

No i'm not here to argue just stating

I didn't know the mod used fxaa on top of dlaa

Re reading the doc it seems it's forcefully disabled

It's just dlaa + rcas sharpening

Well i'm not saying tranformer model wouldn't enhance it

Just that dlaa even in dlss 3 is as good as it gets

Except downsampling

[subtle plover]

What?

[karmic smelt]

Preset K works with DLSSTweaks

https://www.nexusmods.com/site/mods/550

if you really want K then you have to use that rn instead

or maybe optiscaler

[viral raptor]

Read your own instructions? In read me file……. not compatible with msaa in FINE PRINT

[viral raptor]

It’s In the in game settings only let you pick fxaa or smaa x1, I’m not tryna start nothing either just tryna get answers. Jesus

[viral raptor]

And it doesn’t reset to F ?

[viral raptor]

The dlaa looks ass with out another anti alliance, and the only two options are fxaa which still leaves jaggy corners in places, or smaax1 which looks like it did nothing at all, all I want to know is how can I make this game more round around the edges

[summer elk]

the confusion is from DLAA just kinda...being the best there is at handling pretty much all aliasing. If there are stray edges you're noticing, you could run fxaa via reshade on top of it and it'll catch them, but it's gonna soften the image more.

[viral raptor]

I’m just using the fxaa in game but wish it was better, I’ll try a reshade one, thank you.

[subtle plover]

It's not compatible with SMAA, that's what I would have meant.

You need to select MSAA 2tx or TAA in the settings. It doesn't activate with FXAA.

[languid jacinth]

SMAA 2TX you mean? I pretty sure the game has no option for MSAA

[subtle plover]

Yeah then, flip what I said above.
I get confused sm ms
The game has both, one is only enforceable by config.

[languid jacinth]

Yeah the legacy CE stuff IIRC
MSAA is not really worth it though, as usual with the deferred lighting

[viral raptor]

What I’m referring too is that I only have the option for fxaa smaa x2 doesn’t even show up 😦

[subtle plover]

TAA

It literally says (DLSS) in the menu. Otherwise you didn't install the mod properly

[viral raptor]

taa is what iment... ill just use reshade for anti alliasing

taa is not rounded enough for me even at 4k with upcale

[pliant fable]

oh okayy

makes sense now

cuz fxaa is giga bad lol

[languid jacinth]

Well in that case the mod does not use DLAA on top of TAA, it replaces build in TAA with DLAA if enabled in the mod menu

But you need to enable TAA in game to get motion vectors

[ruby pine]

luma and dlsstweaks both have a dxgi.dll, what do i need to do to chainload

okay for anyone else needing the same help, rename the file from dxgi.dll to dlsstweaks.addon

and reshade will load it

i have preset K working now

[ruby pine]

if 4k DLAA is not enough for you, youll need to use dldsr as well

but maybe try transformer model first

because im using 4k dlaa, and it looks amazing to me

[karmic smelt]

you can rename the dlsstweaks nvngx.dll to winmm.dll for example, dxgi.dll is not the only possible name

there's a list with all the possible names in the config ini

[karmic smelt]

huh, I didn't know this worked as well

[ruby pine]

this is remarkably aliasing free @viral raptor , i think transformer will solve your concerns

[sand olive]

@subtle plover update for transformer model happening? 🙂

[viral raptor]

Ahhhhhh i seeeeee so yes definitely will use an antialiasing in reshade on top of it because dlaa just by it self is not good enough for me unless it’s transformer model which ima just do that instead first probably won’t need the reshade after that

[languid jacinth]

The game is just bitch to antialias due to all the sharp geometric edges and thin lines

[viral raptor]

I’m picky af it looks great yes but some areas at medium to far distance not so much, ima update transformer that’s a good idea.

[viral raptor]

Someone needs to invent a small blur effect into ailiasing is that a thing ? Just a drop of blur (just realized that’s what fxaa is ) 🤪

[subtle plover]

I've already got it locally.

[sand olive]

so you're working on an update? 🙂

[subtle plover]

Minor stuff, yes.

[viral raptor]

U da man

[viral raptor]

Is this the best discord to know when it will be updated ?

[lusty moss]

how?

ok what is smaa

did you misspell msaa?

[ruby pine]

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=smaa

[ruby pine]

smaa is post process, msaa is not

[lusty moss]

I see

[viral raptor]

the past 100 message weve all mistyped bruh

homie has a typo in his instructions and thats what caused all this confusion lol

[twin haven]

It seems optiscalers fsr dx11 are not very performant

Small perf boost

[covert raven]

it will improve performance greatly if you are gpu bound

(which is kind of the point of using an upscaler to begin with)

[viral raptor]

Dlaa is gods work

[sand olive]

pumbo is god then

[viral raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/big-leap-marques-brownlee-big-change-drastic-change-gif-6539516311607011074

[pliant fable]

Scoops gone from dlaa trash to Dlaa peak

[viral raptor]

Transformer model only

[twin haven]

I wonder if chair loader disables the pre order shotgun from gog

[lusty moss]

?

how would it do that

[twin haven]

It has to convert part of it to epic games

Which doesn't have the pre order

[lusty moss]

only on a technical level but that's a good question

in any case there's a solution

[twin haven]

?

It does do that

Nuoooooo

Can you just add it through console commands or the trainer thingy

[lusty moss]

yes, it's in the game files for everyone

it just only get spawned naturally with the preorder locker

but there's a better way

[twin haven]

Yea

I'm looking at your messages in the prey discord

[lusty moss]

is this a threat

@twin haven https://www.nexusmods.com/prey2017/mods/114

[twin haven]

Cool

[twin haven]

No lol

[lusty moss]

yeah I'm just kidding

[lusty moss]

it's funny because there was a thing previously that called itself a preorder mod

nexus took it down within 24 hours

all I had to do was not mention the word preorder and position it as some kind of bug fix deal

it's not the preorder anyway. it disables the preorder

it just naturally spawns the items the preorder happens to spawn, that are in the files for everyone regardless, into the gameworld

[tribal pelican]

This game is under rated

[winter glacier]

they should really put this in the readme, spent several hours trying to debug a weird crash message I couldn't find elsewhere only to realise I'd installed the wrong vc redist

[subtle plover]

cool. is the guide complete or does it need anything more?

I don't know anything about linux/deck

[winter glacier]

as far as I can tell it works fine, maybe link to the Arch wiki hdr page for more info on hdr support (you may need some additional stuff)

I am also getting a weird bug where my mouse has way too high a sensitivity, but I'm not sure if thats a gamescope issue or something else

currently trying to debug it

ok yeah def a gamescope issue

[opaque comet]

the d3dcompiler_47 part should not be needed if the user doesn't remove the dll in the first place lol

[winter glacier]

the mod itself actually recommend you do

when you launch it a pop up will come up telling you that you should remove it and reinstall it manually if you're on linux

[opaque comet]

yeah I have no idea if it makes a difference

[winter glacier]

according to the readme the one included is outdated so it's probably worth doing

fixed the mouse issue with --force-grab-cursor

[tribal pelican]

Ya I agree everything needs to be laid out in main description (unfortunately no one does this they expect you to know everything) I had to join this discord to find out I need an additional file that’s only on this discord to play it on epic games version and there is no mention of this (except in the read me file says incompatible with epic games version, doesn’t say oh it works but u need this file in discord) I had to ask people who had the same problem.

[winter glacier]

to be fair judging from the commit history, the EGS stuff looks to be a fairly recent addition

General linux support in particular though is something that readme already touches on, and the error message mentions, which means you can tell it should work despite the instructions clearly missing a couple of steps

[subtle plover]

Been busy.

[winter glacier]

Oh, I imagine, sorry I don't want to sound like I'm complaining here!

Having spent two hours with the mod on, it is amazing and you've done some brilliant work here

[abstract crest]

My apologies if this has been said elsewhere but I was curious how to change the DLSS preset? I only see a few settings about HDR and dev options in the Reshade menu.

[twin haven]

It says that but it's not even included anyways

[abstract crest]

I've followed the Luma instructions to install, updated with the newest build from Discord, now I've installed Optiwhatever but when I launch it says to enable DLSS even though Luma is already installed and TAA is selected in the menu so now I'm wondering if it's even working

[winter glacier]

Wdym

It was for me

[twin haven]

Not inside the nexusmods archive at least

[winter glacier]

Yes

It's with the game

Not the mod

[twin haven]

Oh

My gog copy might've not included it

[subtle plover]

it doesn't make that much difference.

[winter glacier]

Gog is cool like that so they may have removed it

[subtle plover]

just wait for the new version, it's not worth forcing it.

[ruby pine]

Idk, for me Transformer is much better

A lot more image stability

@abstract crest #1262582420239286372 message

Start there

I'm doing both the override from driver and then also dlss tweaks to keep the preset on K or the mod overrides it to F

I don't use optiscaler , can't vouch for that method

[abstract crest]

I'll check it out. Thanks man

@ruby pine How do I set the preset to K? DLSSTweaks is unfamiliar territory

Or do I just set them all to K?

Idk overall this mod and DLSSTweaks both seem to wreck the game. Now I have it so it's ramping up and down from smooth framerate inconsistently and gives me motion sickness. Unless I'm missing something. Should adaptive resolution be turned on in the settings? I can do 4k just fine without Luma but with Luma it looks worse and plays worse I'm at a loss

[subtle plover]

https://github.com/Filoppi/Prey-Luma/blob/8f4870e59d11d035883080841c1cebdb5c77c19b/ReShade Addon/src/dlss/DLSS.cpp#L134

change 1 line of code and recompile

[abstract crest]

Cool story. overall this mod and DLSSTweaks both seem to wreck the game. Now I have it so it's ramping up and down from smooth framerate inconsistently and gives me motion sickness. Unless I'm missing something. Should adaptive resolution be turned on in the settings? I can do 4k just fine without Luma but with Luma it looks worse and plays worse I'm at a loss

Also, I'm not fucking recompiling anything LOL every step of this has been needlessly complicated for what is appears to be an ass implementation of DLSS.

[ruby pine]

https://tenor.com/view/schitt's-creek-david-rose-rude-gif-4193003312193388351

[celest jewel]

there's a recompile button in the mod

i don't think he means you have to download the repo and compile a new mod

[subtle plover]

i do

it's not shaders code

[celest jewel]

rip

[modest comet]

i never understand why people are so rude in community servers ._.

like we're all here because we enjoy hdr

and get all these mods for free

[subtle plover]

"born entitled"

[modest comet]

even irl i'm always worried about accidentally being rude and others do it on purpose

[subtle plover]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/1itfnq2/prey_pcs_upgrade_hdr_support_improved_graphics/ btw...

we got to the top of pcgaming last month and I didn't even know about it!

[opaque comet]

JDSP video

[celest jewel]

Liliam

[subtle plover]

Oasis lead singer

[celest jewel]

Terrible music but great political opinions

[molten pelican]

ok just playing around with this, crosshair seems crazy on 21:9

using the formula the "correct" value should be .557 right for 21:9?

not sure what other FOV i should adjust to make ultrawide look correct either

also which setting enables DLAA?

0.675 i think it's actually this i was confused by the forumula

looks too low haha

[twin haven]

TAA or SMAA 2tx with adaptive res on

if you want DLAA only

just set the adaptive res to 1

its all in the readme

[molten pelican]

yeah the crosshair is too low by default on 21:9 using the formula makes it go even lower unless im doing the forumla wrong

[molten pelican]

I think essentially the problems is that the weapon model is too close to the center it just looks incredibly awkward

[molten pelican]

see how the crosshair is like right up against the gun barrel

probably just an ultrawide issues sigh

i guess i'll play on my tv

[subtle plover]

It's explained on pcgw.

[molten pelican]

yeah am i doing it wrong or is there no way to fix

[subtle plover]

u are doing it wrong

i wrote the guide

[molten pelican]

lol ok

i'll try and understand it better

[molten pelican]

Ok i read it closely it says that running high FOV you may want to set it lower. The correct value for 21/9 is .675? which probably wouldn't look good at any FOV. Then there is another piece about the Luma automatically correcting in your have Perception Correction on. Sorry to bother

[sour verge]

Hi! I have a couple of questions: does shuttle bay fix and other chairloader mods not compatible with this mod? And does windows sdr (30/100) brightness recommendation universal for sdr in hdr content or is it only applicable for Luma?

[lusty moss]

dll mods aren't

which shuttle bay fix is

[sour verge]

So, no workaround? Other than lowering the quality

[lusty moss]

I found that one to be pretty inconsistent myself

it's not a game breaker or anything

literally the worst thing that might happen is you get burned from invisible fire when you're opening a thing on the bottom level of the open space

which is annoying

but you can just, reload. or take the damage

@sour verge

[sour verge]

Alright, thanks!

[lusty moss]

oh and also extremely rare crashing. only happened to me once but 🤷‍♂️

so uh, save I guess

[subtle plover]

New build, please test carefully and report 🙂
The code has all been reshuffled as I made it generic for the #🌐luma-dev, but nothing much should have changed beside minor things.

• Epic Store compatible
• DLSS 4 Preset K (as in other games, it has trailing issues with volumetrics and reflections)
• Stuff

Delete the old Prey-Luma-ReShade.addon and Luma folder before installing.

[twin haven]

Stuff

[languid jacinth]

Stuff!

[lusty moss]

what's the deal with preset k? is it a new option?

[severe halo]

it's an update to Transformer Preset J

better in some ways, worse in others

[sleek gorge]

Preset K has been the new default ever since it's been available

when you do an override to latest model

[subtle plover]

wanna test the new version?

[subtle plover]

wanna test the new version?

[subtle plover]

wanna test the new version?

[subtle plover]

@ruby pine too

[covert raven]

https://tenor.com/view/oprah-you-and-you-all-of-you-gif-16547410925962805989

[candid siren]

not sure if skill issue on my part, or no worky on EGS

colors are oversaturated, but the steamos menu is not reporting that its in HDR mode

also when switching from HDR to SDR (yes i did move x64 to x64-Epic)

also that

altho i havent touched vcrun or d3dcompiler, seeing how its not going up in flames on startup i guess vcrun is fine, but should probably check if installing d3dcompiler helps with above

[twin haven]

Are you running through heroic flatpak

[candid siren]

probably yes

[twin haven]

Heroic flatpak can't use HDR for now

Something about old gamescope library

[candid siren]

aaaa

well guess that solves one mystery

[twin haven]

https://github.com/Heroic-Games-Launcher/HeroicGamesLauncher/issues/3281

Some people say that reinstalling flatpak gamescope helps

[candid siren]

installing d3dcompiler_47 seemingly helps, not seeing both anymore

okay now it looks proper, added it directly to steam, so it doesn't run through heroic and flatpak and reinstalled d3dcompiler_47

[radiant goblet]

Anyone knows why i get this error?
playing through the epic games launcher, i dropped everything in D:\epic Games\PREY\Binaries\Danielle\x64-Epic
and then i installed reshade 6.4.1
(used Prey Luma v3 alpha 1.7z)

[subtle plover]

On boot?

[reef thunder]

Hello guys , i'm still getting this weird motion vector bug when i disable Screen Space Reflections and enable DLSS - DLAA on the game, it happens mostly on the Talos 1 Exterior and in some areas of the game. This bug was introduced during the latest file in Nexus mods and still persists on the newer alpha version. The funny thing is that on the first ever release of the mod this bug wasn't present, only the latter versions of the mod.

[radiant goblet]

Yes, right wenn i start the game

[subtle plover]

Clean your instalation and install Redist.

[radiant goblet]

With clean your installation, you mean remove the mod and try to start the game again or a complete reinstall?

[subtle plover]

Reinstall the game.

[radiant goblet]

That did it, seems like i did not have a clean install, thank you

[honest locust]

hey there, i have a fresh installation on proton 9.0-4 that throws this error on boot, this is after installing reshade w/ addons, prey luma and manually updating the d3dcompiler_47.dll file... any solutions to this i haven't noticed? or am i missing something on the readme?

ah. it was vcredist!!! i installed it with protontricks, apologies

[hasty mantle]

For some reason, I am also getting this error despite having installed VC++ with Protontricks... This after starting over with a clean download of Prey from Steam. Anyone have a clue?

[twin haven]

Did you remove the d3dcompiler file

Readme says it's out of date and should be removed

[hasty mantle]

Hey, thanks - I did remove the one bundled with the game and used Protontricks to re-acquire. Mistake?

[twin haven]

no thats fine

[subtle plover]

where did you hear about this mod btw? Curious

[hasty mantle]

I believe first I used was for KCD2, then used the wiki to find the list of games with added support. The ac unity hdr is particularly transformative. Dekstop and Steam deck

Anyway, I'll hold out hope for someone who might know how to go about a steam deck install. Ofc if I figure it out I'll update for the ctrl f's among us.

[twin haven]

pcgamingwiki

[upper dock]

Guys is the version for Epic stable?

[twin haven]

I'm using chairloader which turns my version into epic and it seems fine

[honest locust]

browsed nexusmods by popular :)

[honest locust]

oh man optiscaler fsr3 works great here

great work on this, definitely breathed new life into it

[subtle plover]

this is why I'm not using DLSS Preset J/K yet

any reflection, bloom or volumetric effects completely breaks the image

[lusty moss]

not seeing it

@subtle plover how'd you get the pause menu to be transparent?

[celest jewel]

included in this:
https://www.nexusmods.com/prey2017/mods/22

[lusty moss]

ugh that thing

[celest jewel]

when I played the game a few years back I used the mod but now I probably wouldn't download something that alters the art direction so drastically

also I wouldn't be surprised if the mod breaks some jump scares with how it changes the lighting setup

[lusty moss]

I more dislike what it does and how extensive it is... like the circular flashlight and space looking like a cartoon

[jolly loom]

I need to try removing that mod, I used it during both my first and current playthrough for the extended view distance, but my smooth brain didn't look closely at the comparison images...

[subtle plover]

there are not enough comparison images.

I have no idea what the mod does

though the author wrote me saying that they love Luma and they'd be glad to come back to Real Lights+

[jolly loom]

The art direction really does get messed up in a lot of scenes, kind of kills the shadowing. I'll rip it out and stick to Luma for now.

That would be cool, I do like what it does outside of the artistic liberties it takes

[paper scroll]

Doesn’t luma also make the flashlight circular? I don’t have many mods but I installed them all at once, so not sure which one’s doing that for me. I don’t have real lights

[subtle plover]

luma does not change any of the art or gameplay

[paper scroll]

Uh oh 😅

I’m having frequent crashes but not sure how to troubleshoot them. The error logs in the game root are surprisingly unhelpful. It could be that I botched my installation, but some of my RAM might also be failing based on issues I have outside the game

[subtle plover]

remove other mods first

[paper scroll]

I am, I’m down to just the 2023 QoL mod and the sprint scale fix (besides luma). And when I tried uninstalling luma I was shocked at how much worse the game looks without it, so thanks for making this amazing mod!

But maybe there are vestiges of removed mods. How reliable is verifying game integrity on Steam? Should I bother trying a fresh install?

[subtle plover]

yeah, still waiting on Digital Foundry 😛

[subtle plover]

yes, uninstall and re-install manually.

[paper scroll]

Fingers crossed this works!

[paper scroll]

Oh will they be covering this? Awesome if so!

[subtle plover]

unsure, but i hope so

it's worthy of it IMO

[opaque comet]

DF's Alex B. is on this server at least

[subtle plover]

yes, I am in contact with Alex.

[opaque comet]

JDSP's video is already very good, but has 0 reach, sadly

34k views, oh wow, more than I recall

was probably the reddit thread

[subtle plover]

a good video of good content will eventually reach an audience, but it's reached its limit.