▫️Cyberpunk 2077 Ultra+ 2.13 Patch Patch Patch Patch

[gritty geode]

the solution is Cyanides wind mod... the trees have a mesh deformation due to wind, and mesh deform RT is bugged

[whole nova]

removing all mods didn't fix the issue either, i'm wondering if this is just a problem with the game itself i've never noticed until now

[gritty geode]

verify files?

[gritty geode]

here's a song i wrote

[covert monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/more-cowbell-dance-dancing-funny-gif-19483045

[gritty geode]

bahahah

i love that clip 😂

[gentle haven]

Damn, sounds good

[gritty geode]

oh ty! ❤️

[shadow heath]

Does the mod still have any remaining noticeable bugs?

I am thinking of starting a playthrough with it

Still haven't played the game beyond the first few hours

Even though I bought it on launch

[gritty geode]

the last one i'm trying to fix is the black shadow after cars and things. i think it might actually be a 2.12a problem

[shadow heath]

alright, I will wait longer

[gritty geode]

this one has heaps more things in debug, trying to work out wtf there's streaking black shadow noise

[late vine]

Hi, thanks for the fixes. Do you mean the wind bug or?

[gritty geode]

no, I can't fix the wind bug 😔

[shadow heath]

what's the wind bug

[gentle haven]

Black shadows on palm trees when affected by wind

[shadow heath]

oof

[subtle plinth]

I'm having a new issue i haven't noticed this before but light keeps popping in and out at certain distances, and i think it's light that shouldn't be there, maybe rather shadows are popping in and out, shining through walls... downstairs from Dr Fingers and in Judy's apartment

and shadows aren't showing up until i get at a certain distance from them... dont remember having this issue before in this way or maybe i just started noticing it

[gritty geode]

are you using not so good draw distance?

[subtle plinth]

yes, but the light settings are set to x1.0 ... and changing values back or forth and releading the game didn't change anything they still popped in and out at the same place

in dr fingers first floor it's the shadows that don't appear so light shines through a wall on the floor and shadows don't appear of things that should be visible, in judy's apartment i think it's a light, but it's weird i think it's a reflextion of a light, or a light from a non-real light source... like the light at her door can still be seen at the distance but when you move close enough it also reflects further and light bounces on other things

and i have the nsgdd box ticked in your ultra+ control app of course... maybe i should see that it's actually applying it correctly

hm making my own vram.lua that will set the no-nsgdd (vanilla settings) no matter what

nope still there

trying removing nsgdd competely

the stuff in dr fingers first floor (the dark rooms where drug addicts live) might be just an error in the game at that location because you have to be pretty far in to a corner to see it, where i think most players wouldn't go, and walls in that building's first floor seem to have an issue blocking light too, you can see reflection of light from other rooms and outside too at some places.... but the one in judy's apartment i think it is somehow load distances of something because the extended light reflections only appear when i got closer without nsgdd and i had to be further away with nsgdd

[gritty geode]

it might be a game bug. the NSGDD settings were applying when I tested. you should see the VRAM set again in console when you tick/untick the box

[gaunt hinge]

with the newest version, should i enable RTXDI denoising assuming ray reconstruction?

[gentle haven]

It will do that automatically

Assuming it's working correctly

Else all kinds of things will look strange

[gaunt hinge]

it was not doing it automatically

and it did look strange

[gentle haven]

It should, try reloading a save

[gaunt hinge]

i did. it was super strange. i flipped it on anyway and it was working then

[gentle haven]

That's strange

[gritty geode]

hmm yes it should enable automatically 🤔

[valid folio]

What is nsgdd?

[valid folio]

Also when using reno, what do I set my the hdr settings in the menu to?

[shadow acorn]

Not so great draw distance mod

[valid folio]

Also what would be causing random shadows to appear where they should be ?

Shouldn't *

[gritty geode]

wtf? I have no idea I'm sorry. I don't think it's U+

[gentle haven]

It is something that sometimes goes wrong with seperate denoising i think

Don't know but I also had that issue

[gritty geode]

hmm

[gentle haven]

ay, did ya'll know that you can go cyberpsycho in the base game? (sort of)

[gentle haven]

this issue also can be caused by draw distance (i believe i read this somewhere)

[gentle haven]

also, does no one have the shadow burn in issue anymore?

[gritty geode]

...noooo?

how?

i know there's a berzerker mode

[gentle haven]

If you max out your cyberware capacity

And then fight

Your screen will go yellow and you will hear v laughing

[gentle haven]

So to 500

The more kills = the more psycho = the more uncontrollable v becomes

[gritty geode]

huh. i've had mine maxed out but haven't seen this

that's cool

[gentle haven]

It's since 2.0 (don't know if that matters)

Oh wait

Cyberware limit was added in 2.0

Nvm

[gritty geode]

huh! I didn't realise

[subtle plinth]

I managed to fix the popping in and out of light in judy's apartment

I think it was the
[RayTracing/LocalLight]
Capacity = 192
GridSize = 32
BatchSize = 192
that did it in the end

sorry i was rambling about this 4 days ago but i couldn't figure it out then

the problem was in rtpt mode, anything i say is rtpt it's the only one i really use

[gritty geode]

wow. any performance hit?

yes and I'm pretty sure BuildCandidates has bugs above 8

[subtle plinth]

i don't notice any performance difference much, i'm on a 4080 super though... also i set buildcandidates to values over 8 without issue, maybe it is only an issue in other modes? I haven't noticed any more flickering, and only the opposite like i said now i got rid of the light that didn't show up in the entrance to judy's apartment

i mean i got id of the problem, not the light

the light now shows from any distance and angle in the aptment

i tried setting BuildCandidates to 10, 12, 16 i can't really see much difference in terms of quality but i also don't notice much diffrence in performance

i should say i do a kinda weird thing with dlss, i don't use default internal resolutions, i tend to try out what works (with RR you can't set it to just anything, only certain resolutions work otherwise you get edge noise), so i always set it to something close to balanced (i run 4k), but i set it to a bit lower than regular balanced, 2218x1248 or 2048x1152

anyway what i wanted to come to is there is some level where the frame rate tapers off very quickly, at above 0.6x native of 4k (x0.60470461... 2332x1312 is really the highest useable resolution, so i never use the quality preset (internal 2560x1440) as it is way way slower...

but anyway at about the default "balanced" preset i get something like 47 fps in demanding places like jig jig stret and maybe 65 fps in very simple indoor locations before FG, I never want to get over less than 50 fps without fg in places where there is real gameplay, and never under 45 or something anywhere because the fg starts to break down somewhere around there

but with those settings at least, having high buildcandidates and such doesn't seem to be much of an issue

[subtle plinth]

can i ask another thing....

why shouldn't MaterialProxyUpdateNumMax > 32 ?

in the comments you say you even set it there to override other mods (i know GITS sets it to something crazy, 256 if i remember right) but what would be the harm in setting it to 40, 48, 56 or 64?

I actually set it to 48 and not getting issues, i only set it back to 32 when troubleshooting the flickering and disapearing lights (and sometimes shadows, but i suspect the shadows is a different thing, these are always shadows behind a view obstace, shadows of an object you can't see), but it did nothing to help with the light by judy's apartment door for example, which now works fine, probably because of Capacity = 192 and BatchSize = 192 in rt locallights, but i did other changes too so i'm still not 100% sure that was what fixed it

[gritty geode]

what I noticed with build candidates is setting it above 8 starts to cause issues with lights flickering, usually street lights, but it doesn't happen I til you've played for a while

[gritty geode]

in DLSSTweaks, disable the -1 screen size and the side noise should go away in all resolutions 😊

[subtle plinth]

ah i already have the done away with -1 screen size this is a different thing, like i said the noise, (i'm talking about only the lower edge and very hard to see noise in most scenes not there at all, it's simply like denoising isn't fully working for a small part of the lower edge of the screen) has to do with DLSS Ray Reconstruction which only accepts certain resolutions, and even with the ones that work, they aren't always the same as the other internal screen resolution... there are some resolutions where they are the same like 2048x1152, and 2560x1440, but even the default "balanced" resolution in 4k, actually has a different "flatten" resolution that the RR works with usually they use a little more width data for some reason, and this is when it's actually working... if you set an incorrect one then it will be misaligned also with the vertical resolution, this is when you get the slight noise in some reflective surfaces and edges of some shadows flutter a little bit, still even then it's not even very obvious in most game scenes

[subtle plinth]

even the default balanced for 4k is a bad resolution, as they set it to just .58 giving it 2227x1252 , and the RR flatten is running 2240x1280 meaning the vertical resolution is off by 28 pixels and this causes a small band of very light shimmering in certain reflections and edges of sun shadows with RR in but it's supposed to be 1/1.7 which is 0.58823529 which is 2259x1271 in 4k, still that's also 9 pixels that would be bad but that is much less noticeable, with dlsstweaks you can set it manually to 2276x1280 or as a multiplier of 0.59270834 (RR then runs at 2304x1280, still the horizontal resolution is greater but it doesn't seem to matter and only at very few resolutions is it even possible to get both to line up, but as long as the vertical resolutions are the same you get no band of noisy reflections and shadows)

although i prefer to go to down one step instead to the next lower value where the RR resolution lines up with internal for no noise in the bottom, which is 2218x1248 as there is a noticeable performance difference in resolutions at this range and a quick drop off in fps near 0.6

but actually now i play at 2048x1152 (0.53333334, yes it's important to round up the last decimal even with below 5 numbers because you need to get a full pixel for it to count if it counts something like 2047.999999875 or something then it will display 2047, whereas if it gets 2048.0000128 it will be 2048) , it looks great and this is one of those resolutions that actually has the exact same DLSSD flatten resolution also vertically, i don't think this does anything but anyway i think it's a good middle ground between performance and balanced, and then i use -1.5 mip bias so the textures at some objects don't look stupid at such low internal res blown up to 4k, but it's mostly an issue with the elevator controls, computer screens and such but still i find it annoying when they don't display at a good quality, they are the only reason i bother with forcing negative mip bias at all... but when you use -1.5 at this res it actually all looks real good

[gritty geode]

interesting!

[gritty geode]

is there somewhere the RR flatten res's are documented?

[subtle plinth]

no i just use the dllstweaks hud to find ones because it shows which one it is currently using

[gritty geode]

wow. this is way too hard for most people

right

[subtle plinth]

I mean possibly there is some place

there should be

2048x1152, 2105x1184, 2218x1248, 2276x1280, 2333x1312, 2389x1344 (0.62222223), 2495x1404 (0.65) are ones that i have found to work (in 4k, it might be a different list for other native resolutions i don't know how it works inside)

an 0.66666667 (2560x1440) of course

[gritty geode]

okay i've recorded them

[subtle plinth]

but you are in 2560x1600 native right?

it could be the list is not the same then

in most other games you can even use other screen ratios for resolutions i've noticed, but in cyberpunk2077 it doesn't work well

so you can simply enter 1933x1417 or what ever nonsense and get a good resolut

or use 16:10 on 16:9 or the other way around

i've done this when i had a less good graphics card, to add extra height data, in many games it works fine, so i just make the height a bit more for extra data but not so much extra performance hit, or even DLAA in vertical and DLSS horizontall, i played in 2160x2160 in RDR2

[gritty geode]

jup 😊

i prefer 1440p for games but i sometimes can't be bothered

(i should script it 🤔)

[gritty geode]

interesting

actually that's a really old method to save graphical bandwidth... have a higher horizontal resolution and like 2/3 or 1/2 the vertical resolution

(like interlace)

[subtle plinth]

i entered in 2560x1600 just now and the default 1707x1066 actually is slightly misaligned what ever, it would be better to set it to 1740x1088 .. i personally always thought that even the "quality" setting is too low for 2k and below ... i'd rather just set it to .75 (1920x1200)... i haven't looked at that res for the thing we talked about with the flatten dlssd stuff but usually these very common resolutions like 1920x1080, 2560x1440 are fine so my guess is 1920x1200 is too

[subtle plinth]

yeah i mentioned it in some dlls tweaks discussion before but no one else took me seriously

i think there are some great opportunities with it that are missed but people are discussing which mode E A B D is better but they are so little in comparison to what how much data you can get it to work with

i was wrong 1920x1200 is NOT one of those golden resolutions...

but uses a 1920x1216 res in in DLSSD flatten

[gentle haven]

soooooo, 80% of 1080p is not a good idea?

[subtle plinth]

i think it is.. if i understand correctly that you are talking about running 1080p native with a dlls x0.8 multiplyer

the lower your res the higher the ratio, it gets so silly low otherwise

[gentle haven]

yep

[subtle plinth]

that's what i'd do or even 0.83333334 (1600x900)

[gentle haven]

that is better? because i am certain i can run that

[subtle plinth]

the higher the better

heck if you can run DLAA it would be the best

(that's just dlss with native res)

[gentle haven]

i had it 85% first

[gentle haven]

i know👍

[subtle plinth]

i will have to go for ... life reasons ... there's this scheme where I exchange my time and labor for some kind of credits or some bullshit, i promised i'd do it so i will... but i'll come back very early today

[gentle haven]

good luck

[gritty geode]

0.68?

[gritty geode]

i take you seriously!

a lot of people aren't detail-oriented

and yeah, i'm not convinced preset E is so much better than C at this point

[subtle plinth]

didn't mean in here, meant in another place... and it was specifically dedicated to discussing dlss and dlsstweaks, which is why i found it kinda odd

anyway i gotta go to my job now, i have a very short thing today though

probably be back in anything from 2 to 5 hours

[gritty geode]

okay, i will probably be asleep! but feel free to leave a message 😊

have fun 😊

[subtle plinth]

good night

[gentle haven]

Sooooo, how is everyone doing?

[subtle plinth]

i'm good, how are you

[gentle haven]

I'm fine

[gritty geode]

hiii 😊

[gentle haven]

Hi

[gritty geode]

I wrote a diag tool to see what's wrong with v4

[gritty geode]

ummm

if you're having issues please run this (as well as U+ any version) and load a game with your preferred settings, then send me results.txt and tell me

• version of U+
• version of CP
• what issues you're having

😊

[gritty geode]

welp, i guess i'm not running CP today 😦

[gentle haven]

Oeeeeh

[gritty geode]

fixed. it was one of the mods 🙄

i'm still trying to work out wtf is different with v4 vs v3

[gritty geode]

v4.4

• Fixed a bug where some lights would not display with PTNext
• Fixed numerous inconsistencies
• Tidied up loading console log so it's more human-readable
• Added "real FPS" meter
• Reworked game load/unload sequence
• Fixed separate denoiser sometimes not enabling correctly
• Fixed separate denoiser being enabled when using NRD

[gentle haven]

oeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh

[gritty geode]

don't get too excited, it's all bugfixes trying to track down why it's smearing 😭

[gentle haven]

still, bugs are the reason i am not playing right now. (also that i have a lot of work currently but...)

[gritty geode]

yes same ❤️

i did find a few bugs in photo mode, but it's still broken in PTNext

i'm not even sure it's ever been possible with PTNext tbh

okayyyy, i can reproduce the smearing with 2.12a and v3.5.3 now
wtf
is it actually 2.12a that's the problem??
downloading 2.12...

[gentle haven]

wait

https://tenor.com/view/the-what-smile-whut-weird-stare-gif-16592004

[gritty geode]

yeah 😕

SpitTest now nicely spits out all the game settings before and after game load

[gentle haven]

wait

so 2.12a is causing the issues?

[gritty geode]

that's what i'm thinking

[gentle haven]

curious

I thought they only adjusted one file.

welp, time to downgrade

[gritty geode]

there's just no substantial differences between these that i can se

*see

yes who knows what they did. it may also be in 2.12 ... maybe 2.11 was the better one

i'm still trying to bifurcate the problem

[cyan scarab]

Hey hey! So... separate denoiser (my arch nemesis) is indeed not fixed with 4.4. I've resorted to nuking every mention of SD after each release lol

[gaunt hinge]

fixing visual bugs will improve the visual performance of ptnext, which is always nice

[gritty geode]

hey! how are you 😊
in what way is it not fixed? i used NRD and it didn't auto-enable

[cyan scarab]

Good! Happy to see you're back 😄 I believe it might have something to do with how DLSS is being set or not set with Ultra+. To use DLAA, on each game load I have to switch from DLSS auto (which is default) to DLAA. Each time on load Separate Denoiser is always checked. I'm actually about to go back to vanilla cause having to reload multiple times to view a lut for less than a few minutes is getting aggrivating lol

[gritty geode]

i'm alliivveee

[gritty geode]

hmmmmmmmm

[gritty geode]

i meant to just try CP 2.12 but now i have an even more modded CP than before 🤔

what wong with me

[gritty geode]

nope 2.12 is still doing it

[gritty geode]

if this fixes it i'm going to be so frustrated

yes that's a huge improvement

use DLSS preset A

that's SO clear

that'll teach me to listen to YTers

[gentle haven]

So we go back to preset A now, no longer E?

[gentle haven]

Nothing

[gritty geode]

it's up to you, but I've tried A C D and E and they all look awful except for A which looks great 🤷‍♀️

[gentle haven]

Hmm, I have been setting dlss to E with all of my games

That may have not been such a smart idea

[gritty geode]

well, it's whatever you prefer really. but people say strange things about DLSS.

[minor smelt]

True, perception is a fickle thing.... plus a lot of weird people on Reddit and Discord who influence other's perception actively

[gaunt hinge]

what is preset A usually best with? like. performance, quality?

[gentle haven]

I believe it is usually used for dlaa and ultra performance

[gentle haven]

uhm

@gritty geode

SD toggle seems to be reverse or something

please ignore the massive amount of mods

this is using 4.4

with RR

also I do not understand how to install cetspittest

[gritty geode]

wtf

[gritty geode]

according to my LLM friend here

Key Features of DLSS Preset A

• Intended for Performance/Balanced/Quality modes
• Older variant
• Best suited for combat ghosting for elements with missing inputs, such as motion vectors

I imagine what happens is the smearing doesn't have motion vectors, because it's a PT artifact, so preset A world well here

[gentle haven]

Yeah, no clue

[gritty geode]

seriously the logic is not that hard, how can i be messing it up

and why is it working here

[gentle haven]

I dunno but it normally turns on but that makes everything dark

[gritty geode]

preset A, DLSS 68%

[gritty geode]

i'm gonna get chatgpt to fix it 🙄

[gritty geode]

hold on

here you are 😊. just drag to the CP folder

[gentle haven]

Aha

Thanks

[gritty geode]

i asked chatgpt 4o and it said it's all perfect, add some logging 😜

meanwhile i've completely reworked the logic to make PTNext states explicit

[gritty geode]

okay v4.5

• completely redid PTNext (again) the old logic is completely gone
• fixed a problem where boolean values could not load correctly
• added better logging so U+ steps you through what it's doing

[gentle haven]

hmmm

[gentle haven]

sucks that you had to do it again, but nice new update

[gritty geode]

ugh it kind of need it. the PTNext enablement was across 3 or 4 functions making it difficult to track. it's now all in one function

[gritty geode]

would it be useful for Ultra Plus to auto scale dlss based on low frame rates?

[gentle haven]

But can't cyberpunk do that itself already if you turn on dlss and DSR (or whatever it was called in the in-game settings)

[gritty geode]

yes, if you have DSR

i'm working on having the scenescale adjust dynamically based on real FPS ... so if FPS drops too low it will automatically speed up the game, if it's high it will run at full quality

(i actually didn't know CP had DSR 🤔 😜)

[gritty geode]

that actually works really nicely

you can just tell it what FPS to target and away it goes lol

[gritty geode]

Added the ability to adjust SHaRC SceneScale separately
Added the ability to auto-adjust the SHaRC downscale factor based on real FPS. For now this is pre-configured to 30 real fps (you can change it in init.lua > search for TargetFPS
Made changing settings a little more stable by only confirming changes to CP when it's actually needed
Fixed an issue where floats weren't showing in the Debug panel
Stabilized real FPS stats by adding an exponential moving average

[gritty geode]

lmk what you think of the auto-scaling. i can easily take it out if it's not wanted

i'm trying to do something that's less obvious than DLSS dynamic scaling

[gritty geode]

nice

[gentle haven]

Hmmmm nice

[gritty geode]

• Added a Target FPS control, so you can set your own target FPS. If there's interest, I can make this more intelligent/powerful
• Made sun shadows slightly less sharp
• Still trying to get the window to auto-fit the contents properly
• Added the ability to adjust SHaRC SceneScale separately
• Added the ability to auto-adjust the SHaRC downscale factor based on real FPS. For now this is pre-configured to 30 real fps (you can change it in init.lua > search for - Made changing settings a little more stable by only confirming changes to CP when it's actually needed
• Fixed an issue where floats weren't showing in the Debug panel
• Stabilized real FPS stats by adding an exponential moving average

[gentle haven]

Oeeeeeh

I will finally get to test it tomorrow

Yay

[shadow acorn]

Careful. The AI is going to start making its own mods soon.

[gritty geode]

haha I was thinking this lmao. I could add several more things that can auto-scale, but I'm trying to keep it not noticable .. like if the screen is moving fast and fps drops, you probably wouldn't notice a quality drop in certain areas. a bit like BluRay/DVD which can drop quality perceptually when there's fast motion (if they're well mastered)

*giggles

I was just searching for the nexus page lol

[gritty geode]

ummmm somehow PTNext and RT+PT is working without separate denoiser now

[gentle haven]

What

How

[gritty geode]

idk!

[gritty geode]

• Separate denoiser is no longer used for PTNext (removed the setting)
• Added an option to enable/disable FPS targeting

[gentle haven]

Well alright

[gritty geode]

also i just realised... irl the sun gets more diffused during dawn and dusk, and is sharper at midday... i'm implementing this into the game now 😄

[gentle haven]

Oh jeez, you are just completely revamping everything

[gritty geode]

alright testing lol

moohahaha

[subtle plinth]

hi wow i was gone for some days and now all this auto stuff!

I also figured out what was causing the "weird" noise i saw in some places.... on cloth and some reflective areas in RR but only RR, at first i tried setting rtx numinitialsamples to something ridiculously high and this certainly helped but it's also insanely costly... so then fiddled around with various things and the rtxdirejitter seems to not work well with RR, turning it off really solved the weird glittering noise for example on cloth in some places and on the tube dancers in afterlife and many many more places... without RR there is never this problem to begin with... however this also caused a more obvious noise in reflections like glass frosted doors, but changing rtxdi MaxHistoryLength from 0 to 1 took care of that and then reflections looked alright again

i think RR + rtxdirejitter is not good

really excited to try 4.6 but i'm afraid of using my graphics card right now, it's very hot and i don't want my aptment to get even hotter, no one has AC up here so it gets like 29° inside and probably 33° if i let my graphics card run hard

I'll wait for the evening

[gentle haven]

only 29 degrees

?

[subtle plinth]

in my apartment not in my graphics card

[gentle haven]

yeah

i know

still a low temp

[subtle plinth]

it's hot for here

where are you grimxer0?

[gentle haven]

netherlands. Not that hot by default, but my room is permanently 32 or higher

[subtle plinth]

i can't stand that kind of temperatures for a long time... i don't get how people do physical work in it i just try to sit still and do everything at night

[gentle haven]

hihi

[subtle plinth]

I thought dutch buildings were supposed to be super modern with smart insulation that never gets too hot or cold... but maybe that's just new built expensive apartments

[gentle haven]

nah, i aint living in an appartment

I live in the attic of a 3 story building

wait aint got no ac

[subtle plinth]

in sweden there isn't ac anywhere even wealthy ppl who could afford it just don't install it... afterall it's only over 30 like 10 days per year, but increasing... some of the last summers it was over 30 for almost all of july and august but that isn't typical.. maybe it will become typical in the future though

[gentle haven]

ay, wanna know something

my ass is going to spain in 2 weeks

https://tenor.com/view/fire-gif-10341555270454130792

[gritty geode]

• Sun shadows are normally more diffused at dusk and dawn, Ultra+ now emulates this behaviour by adjusting the sun shadow sharpness throughout the day
• PTNext is now working without the separate denoiser - removed this setting from the front panel, it's still in Debug if you need it
• Added a few more quality settings to the perceptual auto-scaler. Ultra+ will try to adjust image quality subtly to hit your FPS target without you noticing
• Fixed a missing quality setting for RT-Only mode
• If the weather gets stuck, Ultra+ will now unstuck it for you

[subtle plinth]

wow

[gentle haven]

damn

big updates

You are really going at it sammi

[shadow heath]

https://tenor.com/view/let-her-cook-gif-3479906673053749087

[gentle haven]

https://tenor.com/view/snoop-dogg-yes-yes-yes-oh-fo-sho-for-sure-nods-gif-12018369

[subtle plinth]

I found out that those old seperate RR config was actually better, i was in here about 3 weeks ago asking a lot about the denoising, and after that it the settings were put together in the common file, I feel a bit bad about this like i made a bad influence with some of my not properly tested guesses... i've tried it out more now, and the old RR stetings weremuch better just needed lower MaxAccumulatedFrameNum which you now have fixed

but the rest was actually a good idea

[gritty geode]

lmao you guyss

[gritty geode]

oh it was better than it was currently?

or is it all fixed now?

[subtle plinth]

yep for RR

[gritty geode]

which version?

it's hard because you change one setting and everything else changes

and have you tried it now? v4.7 doesn't use the separate denoiser at all

[subtle plinth]

4.1 - rc4 was the last one you had seperate ones, i'd set the MaxAccumulatedFrameNum a bit lower than it is there but it was better

no i just came back

all the 4.4 and newer i have missed

[gritty geode]

i DON"T WANT TO MEET HANAKO AT EMBERS 😭

[gentle haven]

BUT SHE WANTS TO MEET YOU

[gritty geode]

oh, so should i set these lower again?

[gritty geode]

okay. it's all reworked 😂

i'm sure it can be improved

[gentle haven]

But what made SD no longer needed?

[subtle plinth]

i also figured out what was the problem with my "weird noise" that i talked about like glitter and stuff on certain places... i wrote about this in the first entry in here sincei came back about an hour ago

basically RTXDI rejitter + RR was causing it...

[gritty geode]

wtf have i done 😂

[gentle haven]

Hmmm?

I dont see anything wrong

[subtle plinth]

do you mean the flying trees? that's from nsgdd

[gentle haven]

WAIT

I didn't even see that

[gritty geode]

it's not it's just so sharp and perfect

[gentle haven]

No more smearing either?

Haven't had time yet. getting to test it later today

[subtle plinth]

turning off rtxdi rejitter fixed the weird noise stuff, but caused a different type of noise in reflections, until i set rtxdi MaxHistoryLength from 0 to 1

then it looked fine

solved the issue in both RTPT and PT20 modes

[subtle plinth]

hmm i can't turn RR on anymore?

[gritty geode]

• Enable or disable console output by checkbox
• Fixed a bug where the daytime logic wasn't firing

[gaunt hinge]

good grief those clouds that's so beautiful

looks really impressive

[gentle haven]

Is that alt weather visuals?

[subtle plinth]

I really like the sharc scene scaler but i feel like i i'm not in control of the denoising anymore, and the RR issues that i solved (although they are there in the older versions too), but basically i managed to get rid off those glints you get on plastic transparent draperies (at least with blurbegone, but i think they are there in vanilla too, they are there in other vanilla materials anyway) in RR on my own last week, so i'll have to go back, but i'm going to update using some of the newer things from the quality and mode settings that aren't related to that

[gritty geode]

no that's nova lut 2.0 and nova weather

i know it's amazing hey

[gentle haven]

Oh damn

I use supernova 2

[subtle plinth]

@gritty geode what is the reason of commenting out samplenumber for fsr and dlss? does it do nothing?

[gritty geode]

no they don't do anything

[gritty geode]

i don't know what glints on plastic draperies you're talking about 😭

[jade ridge]

I think they're referring to the sparkles on the industrial vinyl curtains?

[gritty geode]

there are sparkles?

[jade ridge]

Not in the latest versions (4.5+), at least on my end.

[gritty geode]

no I haven't seen them either

the separate denoiser is still needed for plants in Dogtown 😭

[gentle haven]

Aaaaaahhhhh

Noooooo

[subtle plinth]

it is in dogtown i am seeing them in draperies

as i said though with a workaround i get them almost all gone

but it's not exactly performance friendly

at least not if you want to remove as many sparkles as possible, then rtxdi numinitialsamples need to be massive... as well as the other solutions, but setting numinitial samples to 24 and running most else like a mix of medium and high settings it's very playable on a 4080, at least in RTPT mode, last week i got into real PT for a bit but i just couldn't get it to look good enough while also not messing with framerates...

[gritty geode]

I know 😭

[subtle plinth]

there are a few things that pull me out of the game... flickering patterns, noise/fireflies/sparkles weird hair lighting... much more so than incorrect or unrealistic lighting or shadows

[gritty geode]

@jade ridge do you know how to find those plants? all that needs to happen is they have RT turned on in wk

I just dk how to find them

[jade ridge]

I've tried to enable RT on them already with no luck.

[gritty geode]

what the hail

I don't understand what's different about them

[jade ridge]

Same. 😦

I used the same changes BB used for the PT debris stuff and they just don't work.

They're like Minecraft grass quads. 😄

[gritty geode]

I'll aks sousine

[jade ridge]

Draperies? How about some screenshots?

Are they something only found in Dogtown? 😕

[gritty geode]

I think your video card came from another dimension Gumboot

[jade ridge]

Or was used to mine for far too long.

[gentle haven]

You could always just replace the grass

[gritty geode]

yes... most of the plants in Dogtown only exist there though

[gritty geode]

@jade ridge i'm talking with sosuine about it. he's not sure either

now i'm thinking... maybe it's the lights that are different in Dogtown... not the plants

[jade ridge]

Well, there are plants in NC that also don't have shadows.

[gritty geode]

it only happens with local lights, as far as i can tell

i don't see it in sunlight

[jade ridge]

What did you change between those two?

NRD?

[gritty geode]

separate denoiser

no all RR

[jade ridge]

Same thing in NC though.

NRD off vs on. That's the only time I ever notice issues.

That's why I hate NRD and love me some RR. 😛

[gritty geode]

if only everything didn't look so plastic

[gritty geode]

yes and what is this extra vegetation

[jade ridge]

What do you mean?

[gritty geode]

the bright... oh it's there

it's just. not bright

[jade ridge]

Also, I don't really see plastic. And yes, the grass is blending in with the shadows, like you'd expect physical objects to do. 😉

It could be sharper, though, I'll give you that.

[gritty geode]

sosine says they have shadows in raster!

and RT shadows is enabled on them already

[jade ridge]

Yeah, it's weird.

[gritty geode]

WHAT

[jade ridge]

But it's using the cards for shadows in raster and I don't think it traces them in PT.

[gritty geode]

he says it's only the grass that's auto-generated. it's an exception in the engine

[gritty geode]

yes correct

[gritty geode]

okay he says it could also be the env that's different. some switch in the Dogtown env that's not/enabled in the regular one

[jade ridge]

I don't think that's different in the Dogtown envparam.

[subtle plinth]

I mean the same thing you showed before, the plastic sheets... maybe draperies isn't the right word

[jade ridge]

But I would like to see what you're seeing.

[subtle plinth]

ok wait

[gritty geode]

me either

which leaves only the lights

but i'm lookin. i have to install wk

[jade ridge]

I don't have that issue on my end though. What's the exact configuration, RR no NRD?

[gritty geode]

i don't understand how Gumboot can have pixellation/firefly noise but no one else

if it's faulty ram the GPU would crash

where... did the asset browser go

[sleek quiver]

Hey quick quesh, is anyone else getting frequent (as in almost alway) crashes when trying to load a save using v4.6.x or v4.7.x?

[jade ridge]

Gotta repin it.

[subtle plinth]

the picture looks off...took it wit renodx running, but you can see the fireflies, this is an unusually bad location though, this isn't how it normally is in most places... i'll try to take some more pics that actually shows how it looks with the right colors

[jade ridge]

Where is that?

[jade ridge]

Oh, is this with PT Next only? I don't see any issues with PT20 or 21.

[gritty geode]

yes

[gritty geode]

i think it's why they didn't finish ReGIR

[jade ridge]

Copy that. I see a lot of issues with Next now that I've switched to it. 😬

[gritty geode]

regular PT (left) vs ptnext

[jade ridge]

Mine is worse. 😄

[gritty geode]

yes, but look at how much better the rest of the lighting is

yes it gets worse when there's wind

[jade ridge]

No I mean it's way worse.

[gritty geode]

oh really??

OH, i re-enabled separate denoiser

[jade ridge]

I did too.

[gritty geode]

this is your card 😦

okay Cy, can you tell me where the hail the asset browser has gone in wk 8.14 😭 lol

oh it's in the middle

omg 🤦‍♀️

[subtle plinth]

but i had this before i got this card, on a 3070

and i can change the intensity with various tricks

[subtle plinth]

it's at the market where you first reach dogtown, the enterance to the ripperdoc there

[gritty geode]

oh i didn't have Nova Weather™ installed!

[gritty geode]

how

i've never seen this, this is not PT noise

that's so weird

[jade ridge]

It looks like PT noise to me.

@gritty geode remember when we were troubleshooting this months ago:?

[subtle plinth]

it is and it happens more in movement

specially where there is both reflections, shadows and other things going on ath the same time

[jade ridge]

I had this before.

[subtle plinth]

and it's only in RR

[gritty geode]

@jade ridge which one is the Dogtown env? 005?

[subtle plinth]

yep that is exactly it CyanideX

[jade ridge]

cp2077_ep1_master_env_ep1_ow_trigger_v006

[jade ridge]

But I don't have that issue anymore.

[subtle plinth]

i get it on glass, sometimes on shadows on shiny surfaces

[gritty geode]

oohhhh

[jade ridge]

Yeah, that was fixed by enabling NRD at the time but I don't use NRD anymore and it's not there for me. 😛

[subtle plinth]

I am going to try removing dlsstweaks and ultra+ and get a clean new ultra+ from the files that is completely unchanged by myself and see if it helps

[jade ridge]

I don't see it with RR. Very strange.

[jade ridge]

Where is this exactly? So I can compare.

[subtle plinth]

and i'll clean my shader cache

it's at the market where you first reach dogtown, the entrence to the ripperdoc there

[jade ridge]

You assume I actually play this game instead of modding it. 😛

[gritty geode]

what's the non-Dogtown one?

i'm so bad at this lol

[subtle plinth]

well the start of the PL dlc, you come to a place

and it's a big market

there's only one ripperdoc there

[jade ridge]

cp2077_master_env_ep1_v006

[jade ridge]

You assume I've played. 😛

I'll find it. Just give me some time.

Or you could share a map.

[subtle plinth]

i haven't played the dlc either i'm just starting it

i mostly fiddle with ultra+ settings like 20 times more time than gaming... last week i promised myself i was going to actually play the game but i spend 3 days just tweaking tweaking trying to solve noise mainly

[gritty geode]

i won't tell you what just happened then 😂

[jade ridge]

Well I can't find that industrial curtain stuff.

[subtle plinth]

it's on most such curtains more or less, specially in tricky light and shadow situatiosn

this had a very strong light behind it

[jade ridge]

I know but I would like to compare your exact spot, that's all.

[subtle plinth]

i'm going to try now with the latest ultra+ with no personal changes and no dlsstweaks, emptied nvidia drivers' shader cache

but i think maybe the blurbegone can make it worse... do you use that?

[gritty geode]

@jade ridge cp2077_master_env_ep1_v006 doesn't even have renderAreaSettings/areaParameters

[jade ridge]

Yes it does.

[gritty geode]

oh it's onder world

*under

[jade ridge]

Do I use my own mod? 😛

[subtle plinth]

oh no i'm sorry that is outside dogtown i think, that is in pacifica, the one i'm talking about is inside dogtown, the new dlc city

[jade ridge]

Of course!

[gritty geode]

it's in a different place between them

[gritty geode]

well this is where sosuine thiks the difference will be

[jade ridge]

Found this one in Dogtown but it looks ok to me.

This lighting though. 👌

[gritty geode]

one difference

not present in dogtown

[jade ridge]

I nulled all of Dogtown params anyway and I still have issues.

Dogtown is an envparam which means it uses those values.

The 006 is the parent.

Anything you see in the Dogtown params are just overrides.

[subtle plinth]

anyway i tried now with a clean ultra+ and removed shader chache, running my gpu at stock speeds and power limit and removed dlsstweaks (i usually run with my own resolutions in dlss to fine tune the performance), but yeah first i thought "WOW no fireflies" but then i realized i hadn't turned on RR, and when it did it was all there again

[jade ridge]

If you find that spot, please share map location so I can see.

Still not showing in my game.

[subtle plinth]

this doc... i am not standing at its location because i'm standing by the entrance

[gritty geode]

right. well it's not the env then?

[gritty geode]

yes so the "override" in dogtown for surface albedo is 0.0 instead of 0.15

[subtle plinth]

also i'm sorry i doubted you new version the other type of glitter that i saw in the dance tubes in afterlife is gone now!

[gritty geode]

i'll try overriding it with 0.15

[subtle plinth]

they were full of sparkly noise before... like the tanks were filled with glitter now they look... normal

but my pics look weird.. that is not how it looks in game... why are the colors of screen shots so weird

[jade ridge]

Hmm, not sure what to tell yah. 😦

[subtle plinth]

looks much softer and not as blown out as on these pics

CyanineX and this is with RR, and you had this issue before but it somehow resolved itself?

[jade ridge]

This was many U+ versions ago that I had the issue.

I haven't seen it since.

I only use RR (NRD hater here).

[subtle plinth]

hm but now i'm using the latest and it still looks like this

did you do a ddu reinstall of nvidia drivers at some point or a full system reinstall?

[jade ridge]

I reinstalled Windows last month but I don't think that's the reason it's fixed. 😛

[subtle plinth]

because i even had this on an earlier card

[jade ridge]

I think your only solution is to use Nova City. ||/s||

Are you using PT20, PT21, or PTNExt?

[subtle plinth]

really? what does that help with this kind of thing?

RTPT

[jade ridge]

That was sarcasm, thus the /s.

Hmm, let me try with RTPT.

[subtle plinth]

last week i was using PT20 and it had this too

but i think i've had this with vanilla

since the first RR release

when i was using a 3070

[jade ridge]

Switching to RTPT has even less artifacts. Like... zero.

[gritty geode]

this was 0.07, 3.5x higher

[jade ridge]

PT20 without reloading save. 😛

After reloading, I can see some fireflies when I move.

And around the light.

[gritty geode]

there's also no emissive scale in normal GI

[gritty geode]

those look like direct lighting fireflies

[jade ridge]

Worse when moving for sure.

[jade ridge]

I wouldn't look into the env for Dogtown too much since I'm having the same issues with a nulled version.

[subtle plinth]

that's what it looks like in all modes for me... but also now i changed to pt20, leaving for main menu first then loading new game after switching... and it's completely insane everything looks flickery even surfaces that normally never do even for me

[gritty geode]

do you mean nulled as in you deleted all the settings, or you set them all to zero?

[jade ridge]

Deleted all.

I just wanted Dogtown to use the same settings as NC for consistency.

[jade ridge]

Somehow, in testing this for you, I broke something and now I can't get rid of the fireflies. 😄

FML

[subtle plinth]

i'm sorry

[jade ridge]

https://streamable.com/pm309u

I will try to fix it later. It's all broken for me with every setting now. 😅

[subtle plinth]

this is how RR always looked at least for last months

but i think since from the start

for me

[jade ridge]

Well, before removing 4.6 and putting in 4.7.1, it was perfect! Then putting back 4.6 it's flickering again.

https://tenor.com/4a8o.gif

What is it that they say? If it aint broke, don't try to help some random in Discord?

jk, it's probably best we figure out why it's happening.

[gritty geode]

yes i need to specifically override two values that are different

[jade ridge]

Why override?

[gritty geode]

oh, so you mean if you delete them all it overrides the whole file?

it's not granular?

[jade ridge]

No, it uses the base env.

I removed all the param overrides from Dogtowns envparam file so that it just uses everything from the main env.

So both Dogtown and NC have the exact same settings but I'm still seeing weird foliage lighting. That's why I'm saying you shouldn't look into it further; it's a waste of time. 😛

[gritty geode]

right. so that can't be the cause

bugger

if it's not the env and it's not the plants, perhaps CDPR hardcoded something for that sector

i could turn off separate denoiser everywhere except Dogtown but it's not a very good fix

[jade ridge]

Why does the separate denoiser break my lighting?

[gritty geode]

these do look like fireflies distorted with distortion mapping which is used for the transparent material. it might be that anti-firefly isn't coded into translucent materials

[gritty geode]

right?

this is why i've been trying to disable it

it's only the plants in Dogtown preventing me

it's just badly broken

[jade ridge]

And why can't it just be globally disabled?

Oh, the plants?

Well, glowing plants or no lighting at all... is that even usable either way?

[gritty geode]

yes!

[jade ridge]

Oh, toggling Enable ReGIR DI fixes it.

[gritty geode]

lmao why are you not hearing me *shakes you* 😂

[gritty geode]

what, off then on?

that just disables PTNext

[jade ridge]

I have a reading disorder. I read backwards.

Takes me time to catch up.

[subtle plinth]

the firefly issue?

[jade ridge]

Read the room, Gumboot!

[jade ridge]

So there's the solution! 😄

[gritty geode]

for ReGIR to work (PTNext), it needs Editor/ReGIR/Enable and Editor/ReGIR/UseForDI

[jade ridge]

I mean toggling off then on again.

Does that keep PTNext off?

[gritty geode]

but it looks so much better 😭

[gritty geode]

yes

[jade ridge]

That's debateable at this point though. 😛

[gritty geode]

i'm going in to try. cover me

[gritty geode]

yes BUT it COULD looks so much better

if it wasn't for the separate denoiser

if it wasn't for the fucking dogtown plants

i know. we just delete all the dogtown plants 😂

fixed.

also i made the dawn/dusk sun sharper for you

if i ever meet CDPR i swear i'm just going to break down and cry at them

ooo

[jade ridge]

You're just seeing that? 😄 Didn't I send the GUI to you for helping with the save/load stuff?

[jade ridge]

It looks like all plants.

[gritty geode]

oh

[gritty geode]

yes, but not for weather?

[jade ridge]

Yeah it's all in one.

[gritty geode]

i didn't run it, i just added the code

[jade ridge]

Ah ok!

[gritty geode]

i still need to debug it

[jade ridge]

No rush. 🙂

[gritty geode]

i'm hoping to have time on Sunday

i think it's just hard coded plants everywhere then

unfixable without reversing CP

or the shaders

[subtle plinth]

omg i'm so sorry... this is my fult cyanidex... it was me who was talking about taking back the old altered denoiser ini file stuff... removing this part from 4.7.1 fixes the issue.... damn this is why this has followed me everywhere.. my own stupidity

and it's not there in 4.6

sorry lucia

i won't talk about denoisers ever again

[jade ridge]

I'm on 4.6.1 and I see it. Are you saying it's not there in 4.6.0?

[subtle plinth]

look in the config_common.ini

[jade ridge]

I mean the fireflies.

Are they not there in 4.6.0 but are in 4.6.1?

Ah ok.

[subtle plinth]

hmmmm no this is not right... but anyway i deleted the whole section from the denoiser ini file and the fireflies disappeared

yep it's gone... you can see the slightest traces of it when moving far away from this, but that problematic sparkle is all gone

[jade ridge]

Why is it blurry though?

Did you remove Blur Begone?

[subtle plinth]

ah crap

[jade ridge]

Blur Begone will also make the sparkles more prevalent. 😛 So I don't think the issue is actually resolved if you removed it.

[subtle plinth]

wait

yup you're right.. trying too many things at once

[gritty geode]

haha you're okay 😊

I've done it too

[subtle plinth]

is the sun angular size supposed to be in degrees?

irl the angular size is about 0.53° but maybe that doesn't translate in the game

and irl the whole of that area is pretty much equally luminous since it's all plasma of about the same temp on the sun's surface but i guess in the game it might work differently being more light from the middle of it or something?

[gaunt hinge]

ive noticed RR is just disabled

is that the norm for the newer versions?

[subtle plinth]

you can manually enable it but it gets disabled when you change settings and every time you start the game

[gentle haven]

wait smearing is actually gone

what

how

Not even with the knife

the fuck

sammi you are a god

also all grass changes when you enable SD

SD still seems needed

[heavy abyss]

I think I found a bug in 4.7.1.
I am using PT20, but every time I load a save, the ReGIR DI is automatically enabled, so the whole DI is broken.
Manually setting ReGIR DI to off after loading a save could solve this problem, but it is kind of annoying.

[gritty geode]

no, I'm not touching RR (it's too crashy), that's 100% the game being weird.

[gritty geode]

it's "faked" in the game (and probably all games). it's just a light source in the sky, and the shadow is artificially sharp or diffuse. in the Jedi games the sun shadows are actually extremely diffuse but that's okay because they're not supposed to be Earth (I actually adjust them anyway based on how close those planets' suns appear to be)... but in the case of earth we're emulating Earth's star, and when it's low on the horizon, it goes through more atmosphere which causes scattering, making shadows 30-50% softer (like using a diffuser on a light source irl). so when shadows are long, they are also a bit softer. probably not noticably so irl, but it is perceivable and is one of the things that makes dawn and dusk look different from 'midday'. especially in California where midday looks very harsh (I have been there). so that's what I'm trying to emulate 😊

[gritty geode]

ty! I've fixed it, I'll upload a fix shortly 😊

[gritty geode]

yep

[gritty geode]

• Fixed broken PT20
• Fixed weather wasn't properly being detected / unstuck
• Slightly reduced sun shadow diffusion at dawn/dusk
• Fixed the full perceptual scaler wasn't working correctly. It's now auto-scaling more settings, and its console message of what it's doing is clearer
• Clarified the SceneScale settings (now called "Radiance Cache Accuracy")
• Fixed minor inconsistencies between settings

[late vine]

Wow so many new things I been gone for a couple weeks

I won’t be able to play and test these until like September/October because I am going abroad for a few months

Can’t wait to see all the updates

Is there a documented changelog for every version? I would like to read through them without having to scroll for hours on discord to find them

And from what I have skimmed through the messages, if disabling Separate denoiser is causing so many issues with the plants and stuff, why are we trying to get rid of it? It was working perfectly fine

at least if that is what you are trying to do from what I read

[shadow heath]

It's hard to understand what state the mod is in in terms of usability and outstanding issues

This issue with grass happens if you use RR?

[gentle haven]

Hmm?

[shadow heath]

The glowing grass

I just understand it has something to do with a denoiser

So my question is whether it happens with RR?

[gentle haven]

Yeah if SD is turned of it glows

It's better then it was cause it used to turn gray

[shadow heath]

and what is the SD?

[gentle haven]

Yeah mostly just with RR I believe

[gentle haven]

Seperate denoising

[shadow heath]

So if you use the mod and RR you get glowing grass?

[gentle haven]

For now until Sammi puts SD enabling back yes

For now just do it yourself in the debug menu

Unless she already did

Haven't been able to check 4.7.3

[gritty geode]

wb

[gritty geode]

yes it's all in nexus

[gritty geode]

version 4.7.3 is in a really good state

[gritty geode]

the denoiser itself causes noise

[gritty geode]

it's back in 4.7.3 😊

[gritty geode]

no there's no problems

[gentle haven]

Ah

Well then it should just be working perfectly

[gentle haven]

In that case isn't it possible to add it to rain fix

I mean like turn it off when inside

[gritty geode]

no that doesn't work either, because some of the plants in Dogtown are inside

[gritty geode]

• Added the ability to filter the debug page contents
• Fixed window opening too small
• Added a few fps to PTNext
• Radically reworked PTNext, disabling variable rate shading, and completely disabling RTXDI (very experimental)

[gaunt hinge]

i cant resize it

lmao

no matter what i do its still off, though

[gaunt hinge]

when i try to drag the sides, it just snaps back. is there any setting i can do to make it so i can resize it without it resetting?

[gentle haven]

yeah same

@gritty geode it broke

[sleek quiver]

When using NDR should "Enable Seperate Denoinsing" be checked or unchecked? Using 4.7.3

[gritty geode]

mrrrghhh

[gritty geode]

unchecked for PTNext only, otherwise on I think

[sleek quiver]

Well, whenever I load a save it looks like this (very noisy and off in other ways). This is after turning RR manually off first.

I thought that perhaps turning the "Enable Seperate Denoising" toggle off would do it, and it seems it does. But that would require a re-load of a save for the setting to apply correctly.

But re-loading the save turns RR back on again. Which leaves me in this strange loop.

Seems to be the same issue as this guy, so I guess its known thing

[cyan scarab]

@gritty geode has anyone mentioned the return of fireflys in the most recent versions? Anywhere dark (after 7pmish) is nothing but a sea of sparkly dots lol

[gritty geode]

no...

NRD?

but there's a bunch of bugs i've just found

i'm trying to definitively detect when the game is in session, but it's not easy

[cyan scarab]

Yep. Will have some screenshots to send over later tonight

Haven't tested to see whether they popup with RR just yet

[gritty geode]

okay

cries in Spanish

[cyan scarab]

@gritty geode Hard to capture without video but I tried 🙂

Didn't have issues until sampling was added back a few versions ago. Figured it might be due to having too low of frames for insane/insane but even with medium samples night time is pretty much off limits.

No issue with RR

[gritty geode]

yikes

okay I need to take a few days off for work then will fix it 😊

[gaunt hinge]

additionally. if i change the DLSS quality settings,

this happens

[gaunt hinge]

i also feel like even if i reset and reload, the sparkling glitter is worse then ever? the PTnext quality is fantastic of course. looks beautiful, but. im not sure if that's because RR isn't working or not

seeing those moving artifacts on any piece of metal or bodies is very jarring

[gentle haven]

that effect is usually something i see when i turn on NRD

[gaunt hinge]

im assuming that is under

if NRD is on, RR can't be on. yeah?

i see no option for NRD under ultra+ config or rendering features

[gentle haven]

nope, that was one of the issues we were facing earlier

[gaunt hinge]

ahhh yeah

[sleek quiver]

v4.8.1 solved this, now RR doesnt re-apply when a save is loaded. You are doing such a great job sammi.

Unfortunately I am still struggling with the game looking incredibly noisy with "Enable Seperate Denoising" checked. With it unchecked lighting indoors is blotchy and kinda moving around. Both in PT20 and PTNext using NRD. Might be known but sharing my experience in case it isnt 🙂 keep up the good work

[gritty geode]

PTNext doesn't survive changing DLSS quality. you have to reload a save

it's very fragile

this still needs some work. trying to stabilize PTNext during fast travel. it works most of the time. it's actually surprisingly difficult to reliably detect when the player is in game vs. not with any accuracy at all (which PTNext requires). i have a solution but it needs a fair bit of testing, i may have a chance on the weekend

[gritty geode]

ty ... i... didn't change RR 😊

[gritty geode]

correct

[gaunt hinge]

worth trying the new RR version

https://www.techpowerup.com/download/nvidia-dlss-3-ray-reconstruction-dll/

[gentle haven]

Another new one?

Did it come with the first descendant?

[gaunt hinge]

just the one, i think

yeah

just that one

[gentle haven]

5mb difference

Must've improved something

[gentle haven]

they list this

they also updated dlss sr i think

[gaunt hinge]

from what I’ve read some people believe it’s an improvement for cyberpunk

[subtle plinth]

What is SR?

[gaunt skiff]

Super resolution
Aka regular DLSS

[gentle haven]

Yep

[subtle plinth]

does the sharc visualizer debug thing only work in pt mode? I can't get it to work in rtpt, and i'm getting worried about rtpt stuff overall, several things don't respond at all, like i tried setting numintialsamples for rtxdi from everything between 1 and 64 and the fps stays exactly the same and turning off and on sharc in the debugger makes no visual diffrence at all, in other modes it is immediatly obvious ...

[dull bobcat]

Little question. Cyberpunk runs amazingly well with my 4070 ti super, even without dlss and path tracing enabled and ray tracing on psycho.
Would said mod:
https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/10490?tab=description
Still help me, or shouldnt it be needed cause the game already runs well?

[gentle haven]

Eh, ray tracing enabled with path tracing

And it will always still help

I myself have a 4070 super

[gentle haven]

In terms of quality or performance

Whichever you want

Or balance it out

Your choice

[dull bobcat]

So quality will also go up with said mod?

[gentle haven]

With ultra plus yes

Also said mod is the entire subject here

[dull bobcat]

even while i have this mod? https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/7652

[gentle haven]

Yeah

I use that too

[dull bobcat]

right, then imma install it

[gentle haven]

I just get forced to play on medium quality texture because I have 12gb of vram instead of 16gb

[dull bobcat]

so, and ultra plus is selectable from graphic settings, or do i need to enable it in cet?

[gentle haven]

Cet

[dull bobcat]

i came from a 2070 lol 🙂

[gentle haven]

Oh

[dull bobcat]

that 4070 ti super is awesome

[gentle haven]

I had something like that before too

Except I believe it was a 1060

Don't remember exactly

[dull bobcat]

still tho when cp launched, with the old rt, i could still do ultra raytracing with dlss and still play the game

one of the few games where rt worked quite well on my old 2070

[gentle haven]

True true

[dull bobcat]

in any case thanks for this confirmation

[gentle haven]

No problem

[dull bobcat]

@gentle haven should i still install mods like reflex, remedia, reglass, rt debris and metro glass while already having the reworked mod?

[gentle haven]

Reflex?

But yeah

[dull bobcat]

sorry, reflash

[gentle haven]

For example RT debris adds ray tracing to the trash scattered around nc

[gentle haven]

The are not required however

But yeah, they still improve the visuals

[subtle plinth]

the reworked mod is very vram heavy you mentioned that you turned your texture settings to medium to afford running it on your 12 gb card, i think you would benefit from not using hd reworked or other massive high res texture mods, and instead turning your texture settings to high instead

[gentle haven]

Nope

And don't argue with me

It won't help

I have confirmed that the texture mods look better then high textures

Even on medium settings

[gritty geode]

RT+PT at medium looks better than regular RT lighting at Psycho 😉

but i would leave screenspace reflections at psycho

[subtle plinth]

sammi, I have a question

in rtpt, the option in the debug menu that simply says RTXDI is not checked. And setting really high or low (1 to 128) initialnumsamples for di doesn't seem to have any effect neither on visuals or on fps... which made me suspicious if rtxdi is on at all, how would i know? and also even turning off sharc desn't lead to visible change .. and i can't enable the sharc debug visualiser... so i made a backup of my current ultra+ folder (i have some personal tweaks) and clean installed the latest version (4.8.2) , but still it's the same... everything looks fine though but i'm worried that sharc isn't on at all for some reason, is there a way to check? In pt20 it's easy you can immediatly see the difference and the sharc visualiser works in the debug menu...

just to make sure i'm not fooling myself and simply running regular RT even though it says rtpt

maybe it's always been like this

i might never have tried opening the sharc visualiser except in pt mode before

[gritty geode]

that's right it's always been like that. DI means direct illumination or direct lighting. with RT+PT DI is done by the RT... PT is being used for GI (global illumination or indirect lighting) 😊

(in this case ReLAX)

this is the thing... it's RTXDI that has all the problems ... smearing, vegetation that doesn't light up, or is too bright, fireflies, etc. etc. the GI is great

[subtle plinth]

but sharc is still used in rtpt right?

[gritty geode]

nope!

sorry i forgot to say that! sharc is an optimisation for RTXDI ... and because RTXDI isn't used in RT+PT ...... 😊

i should probably disable those controls when in RT / RT+PT

try this 😊

[subtle plinth]

wow thanks, I was just confused not because of the stuff in the gui version but in general that it even sets settings for sharc in the rtpt part of quality and mode files

I think i was confused because i was fiddling with some settings to eridicate a certain noise a few weeks ago but i guess i was using pt20 then, but forgot about this now... even though really i always end up using rtpt for actual gaming sessions in the end
i get distracted by the smeariness in pt and needing to use even lower internal resolution for decent framerates (above 44 fps or something like that) to not get framegen artifacts, and the lower resolutions makes dlss add its own smearing on top

[gritty geode]

yes i think RT+PT is the best compromise

i wonder if i can improve it any more 🤔

[gritty geode]

oops fixed version 😊

[mystic scroll]

Somebody probably mentioned this before, but has anyone ever mentioned this mod to alex?

[gritty geode]

who's Alex?

[mystic scroll]

The pc guy at digital foundry.

[minor smelt]

If anyone wants to bring this to Alex's attention, feel free to inform him about this in the DF-Discord.

[gritty geode]

oh, don't think so. yes feel free. I'm also happy to get on vireo

he's a great diagnostician

[civic oracle]

the new version is really something ✨

[gritty geode]

oh, ty! 😊

[civic oracle]

image quality difference to stock is really profound!

having this on and RenoDX HDR makes the game a true showcase, I'm amazed by it all over again

[gritty geode]

thanks! 😊

just applying my truly weird skill set to ... something it's applicable to lol

[mystic scroll]

Are you using the "oooh... aaaah..." settings?

[mystic scroll]

I'm not in the df discord unfortunately 😔

[gaunt hinge]

did the new version change anything?

[gaunt hinge]

i recently turned off the tonemapper via the ultra plus and i never realized how mu ch of a difference it made

it feesl too bright in some areas but i love how colors look without on

[mystic scroll]

You don't use renodrt?

[gaunt hinge]

i do

but

sec

it just looks off with this on

the road is too bright but the buildings arent

with it off colors look more as they should

these are my settings atm

[mystic scroll]

Imo I'd change aces to renodx

Which is renodrt

It doesn't hue shift

[gaunt hinge]

is that in the newest version?

i see opendrt and aces

[mystic scroll]

What other options do you have

Ah

Yeah you might need the one from github

[gaunt hinge]

i'll give that a look, thanks

[mystic scroll]

And I'd probably just only gamma correct the ui

Gamma correction everywhere kinda kills near black detail

The black floor will still be 0 regardless

[gaunt hinge]

yeah i wasnt sure why that was on

[mystic scroll]

With that and renodrt it should look very close to vanilla hdr minus the highlights

[gaunt hinge]

i will say. with aces and tonemapping off colors look so much more natural

and not overbrightened

okay yeah renodx is so much better lmao

looks like it should with tonemapping on too, thanks. i didnt realize that was a thing

now it'd be nice to get FSR3 so we can finally get away from PQ lmao

[covert monolith]

renodx's default settings are meant to match how the game looks like in HDR but the game's hdr tonemapping looks way off from its sdr cause its broken. if you want settings that make renodx match the game's sdr look (but with expanded highlights of course). here are the settings I use
#🖼️hdr-screenshots message

had to use the black floor lowering in lilium's black floor fix shader to slightly adjust the black floor to get a perfect match

[gaunt hinge]

thanks!

[covert monolith]

make sure tonemapper midpoint in the game menu is at 1 also

[gaunt hinge]

looks like so

[civic oracle]

settled on using RT+PT to enjoy the clean visuals but also with a zippy frame rate 😎

[gritty geode]

they have a discord?

[mystic scroll]

Yeah, but it's patreon paywalled

[gritty geode]

ah okay

it's funny i feel like it's high school I know some people in the tech industry really well and nobody else

#lifestory lol

[gaunt skiff]

DF already covered CP2077 to death. They didn't even do a video on the 2.1 improvements to path tracing, I doubt they will go out of the way to cover the mod now
Alex is the only one doing PC coverage and he's stretched thin as it is.

Rich said several times that he would like to turn PC content into a separate channel, but they don't earn enough money to hire more people to do the coverage full time

[mystic scroll]

Could land itself a spot in the podcast

[gaunt skiff]

Maybe, but they usually don't talk about mods in the podcast except for stuff that's transformative for the older games, like that recent Outrun 2 mod from emoose

Though if Sammy manages to fix the performance in Jedi Survivor I'm sure they will talk about that, if for no other reason but to drag EA/Respawn some more

[gritty geode]

I wonder if I can find the blueprints that switches the assets and disable them

[gritty geode]

• added PT16 (path tracing from CP 1.6x 😊)
• fixed NRD

(left) PT16 ... (right) PT20

[gaunt hinge]

oh huh. i didnt realize PT16 was kind of nice

[gritty geode]

and super fast, apparently

• sped up PT16 by 7% because why not (by enabling SHaRC which it isn't used except for the acceleration structures)
• added all the ReBLUR stuff to Debug

[gritty geode]

• enabled GI anti-firefly to fix NRD noise for PT20
• moved Custom [NRD] Denoiser to Features so it's saved
• moved local light importance sampling to Features so it's saved
• adjusted scaling of PT16 Low/Medium/High/Insane to give it more rays (it needs more than PT20). Low and Medium are still the same and just as fast
• reduced NRD noise a bit more
• renamed stupid 'Low' to stupid 'Fast'

[sturdy kelp]

Hey! Just want to report a bug (probably a bug?) in v4.9.3:

• when selecting PT1.6, the hover tooltip says to disable Ray Reconst., but clicking the preset itself turns RR on? I've actually gotten multiple CTDs when switching to PT16 from any other PT preset, which is perhaps related. Cheers!

[gritty geode]

rggh thank you, that's not me turning on RR that's the game

it's best to go into graphics settings before you load a save and disable RR.. then load and you should be okay

[cyan scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/how-i-met-your-mother-legendary-barney-neil-patrick-harris-gif-3504792

[sturdy kelp]

So, in relation to this problematic behaviour of the game itself... would you be willing to give a tl:dr of which mode should have RR enabled/disabled. As it stands now, I'm not really sure anymore about anything 😄

For example, I know now that 1.6 should have it off. But What about RT-PT? And what about PT-Next?
I can guess that 2.0 and 2.1 could/should have it on.

Hm...

[gritty geode]

sure! 😊

basically only PT16 needs RR off to work. all the others are however you prefer

[sturdy kelp]

OH wait, that was up to date? 😄

Sorry! I didn't know!

[gritty geode]

ja 😊

haha yep I actually updated things 😂

[sturdy kelp]

OK just one more little question: for RT-PT, it says to just enable RT lighting... Is this meant literally? Like, enable only that switch and all the rest to low/disabled in the game menu? I remember you once writing that in the game menu, things should be set to "psycho" for RT, when using RT-PT...

[gritty geode]

yes RT lighting can be on anything but it has to be 'on'. I just set it to the lowest tbh. the other RT can be anything you prefer. (RT sun shadows doesn't do anything)

the one I recommend for psycho is screen space reflections. it does improve a lot of reflections (and is used even with RT reflections)

but it's also espensive 😜

[sturdy kelp]

Thank you very much for the time and effort! Very polite and informative! Cheers!

[gritty geode]

yw! 😊

[gritty geode]

• increased stability of PT16 (all qualities)
• hopefully added more FPS to all qualities

[gentle haven]

Hey hey hey

Looking good

[gritty geode]

yay

😜

[gentle haven]

246 real fps damn

Also is the in game graphics quality new and if it is what does it do?

[gritty geode]

haha i'm just in the menu 😊

yes it's new, and i'm just adding a potato mode

it sets all of the game's graphics menu for you

(except for preferences like motion blur, DoF, anamorphic etc.)

[gaunt hinge]

which one do you prefer the most atm, then? out of all the settings

it sounds like you're liking 1.6

[gentle haven]

Hmmm, very convenient

[gritty geode]

yes ... also because if you're using cinematic mode, CP will override your graphics settings each time. this way you won't have to worry about that

[gentle haven]

Wow

You really are the best

[gritty geode]

if i can get the game to not crash 😭

[gritty geode]

😄

[civic oracle]

"It just works!"

[gritty geode]

hahah

[gritty geode]

here we go

[gritty geode]

phew big update

• Added full raster support
• Added ability to control (and save) the in-game graphics menu settings, with the best tuning for Potato, Low, Medium, High. (This also fixes most of the graphics cinematic mode changes if you use it)
• Implemented basic color theming and a new gunmetal color scheme
• Fixed the FPS and Target FPS being in weird positions if you're using DRS
• Now enables ray traced sun shadows on high settings (for ray tracing only, makes no difference for path tracing)
• Fixed PT ShadowFadeFraction changing values with Fast/Medium/High/etc.
• Reduced PT ForcedShadowLightSourceRadius for slightly less light indoors
• Removed extra separator lines when filtering text in Debug panel
• Fixed - the window was supposed to be a little smaller but wasn't

[gritty geode]

you'd better delete your old U+ folder for this update i think

• Fixed Features and Debug options couldn't be set
• Fixed an issue where Not So Good Draw Distance compatibility wasn't being forced for low VRAM
• Fixed an issue where VRAM of 16GB or 20GB could not be selected

[cyan scarab]

It's beautiful!

[gritty geode]

you've tried it?

@real ravine , are you around? i neeeed you 😭

[cyan scarab]

A bit here and there. Biggest QOL improvement I've noticed so far is not having to set DLSS on each launch. Such a relief! The NRD improvements were also a delightful surprise 🙂

[gritty geode]

i remembered you 😊

i'm tring to fix switching of rr / nrd now so U+ can handle it. and some other QoL things

also part of the problem is when you disable RR, CP doesn't necesarrily turn on NRD. i'll fix that too

[gritty geode]

hmm maybe I just have a button that saves all your graphics settings and auto-applies them on load

right now I'm using cinematic mode and it keeps switching to FSR every load

[cyan scarab]

Cinematic mode? Is that something new you added?

[gritty geode]

nope, just run the game with -qualityLevel=Cinematic_RTX 😊

[cyan scarab]

Anywhere I can read about what that setting actually does?

[gritty geode]

nobody knows except CDPR i don't think!

except they used it for recording their trailers

what i know is it adds some cinematic effects (fog, lighting) in certain places they recorded trailers (think the Sandra Dorset rescue... outside Afterlife, and probably several others)

and it increases LODs to "fully on". i think all LODs are loaded as high as possible

[cyan scarab]

Gotcha. Thnx for the clarification 🙂

[valid folio]

What am I doing wrong here

My game now has completely blown out hdr and is a ghosting mess

[covert monolith]

It says right there in ultra plus

You disabled tonemapping

[valid folio]

Doesn't that mean to have it turned off if u use reno?

@covert monolith

[covert monolith]

Nah Reno replaces the default tonemapper. If you disable it in ultra plus that’ll disable everything

[valid folio]

I did that and reloaded my game now I have a back screen with just the ui showong

the menu and ui are the only things showing

[gritty geode]

someone had this the other day. I'm expecting it's a mod conflict but idk how it could be...

[gentle haven]

How's it going peoples

I'm going to force this channel to stay alive

[minor smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/iron-man-youre-fired-tony-stark-you-are-fired-robert-downey-jr-gif-25963016

@gritty geode

[gritty geode]

hola 😊

[minor smelt]

Wie gehts?

[shadow heath]

you gehts nothing

[minor smelt]

True, my German is atrocious

[gritty geode]

• Moved EnableLocalLightImportanceSampling to quality and enabled for High and Insane path tracing (except for PTNext where it causes boiling... it might be okay at PTNext Insane) I do believe it's more accurate with LLIS enabled
• Added Crowd Density to the snapshotted graphics menu settings
• Disabled attempting to get Cyberpunk to save graphics settings automatically due to the swapchain crash bug in CET. The CET bug needs to be fixed before this can be done reliably
• Disabled distant global illumination for path traced modes (still testing) because it seems to double draw some reflections with PT
• Increased PT20 RayNumber to 3 to prevent occasional boiling in low-light situations especially with skin/subsurface

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[gentle haven]

Ho ho holy shit

It seems I missed a bunch

[gritty geode]

heya 😊

[gentle haven]

Hi

[gritty geode]

https://tenor.com/bfnTz.gif

[gentle haven]

So you're doing good I'm guessing

[gritty geode]

haha yes 😊

you?

[gentle haven]

I'm doing great

[gentle haven]

Hey Sammi I checked your recommended mods again, just wanted to let you know you have trash begone in there twice

[gritty geode]

that's just my unbounded enthusiasm for trash begone i think 😂

thank you ❤️ 😊

[shadow heath]

https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/16060

thoughts?

seems like a no brainer to use this with PT?

[gentle haven]

No problem, always happy to be of service

[gentle haven]

I haven't seen those lights yet so I don't know

[gritty geode]

yup, sosuine knows what he's doing

[gritty geode]

• fixed PTNext not initializing
• fixed Quality settings sometimes not applying

[gentle haven]

Yay, I finally get to test tomorrow

[gritty geode]

oh yay 😊

[gentle haven]

I'm excited to see want changed

[gentle haven]

Hey, sammi SD still seems to not enable properly after loading a save

[gritty geode]

this should fix everything 🤔

[gentle haven]

Aha, thanks

Though ptnext still looks amazing

[gritty geode]

oh good! it should be a bit better in this version 😊

oops, fixed a dumb bug

argh!

[cyan scarab]

Hey hey! Another dumb bug with v5.2.6, menu doesn't show up even after new install

[gritty geode]

[gritty geode]

someone else just said that

can you please delete the whole UltraPlus folder and try again?

[cyan scarab]

I did. That's what I meant by fresh install. Will fire up CP again and see just to be sure

Yep. Menu is still coming up blank

[gritty geode]

please click 'Reload All Mods' in CET

[cyan scarab]

Yeah I saw that mentioned in the forums. Didn't work for me so rolled back for now. Thanks though 🙂