▫️Cyberpunk 2077 Ultra+ 2.13 Patch Patch Patch Patch

[gritty geode]

my son is doing 3D modeling in blender and enjoying it

are you able to increase light batch to 256? where on the map are you so I can test

yes ReGIR is limited to 512 lights I think. well, the engine limits it

I don't think regir is actually

[late vine]

didn’t try because I am done playing for the day

But I encountered the issue in the pyramid in dog town

inside

[gritty geode]

okay I'll have a look

[late vine]

The audio glitches like hell in there too

but that is a vanilla bug

[gritty geode]

well if an area is going to have problems, that's probably the one lol

right. that's probably insufficient nodes

[late vine]

I googled it and people have that issue on consoles as well so definitely not from mods

and doesn’t Vanilla have like 300 nodes per frame

in my ini file I have set it to 1900 so more than 6x vanilla

But the issue DOES seem to appear in extremely busy areas

[gritty geode]

yes

it can also be the amount of time allowed for streaming. but CP has a bug where if nodes are too high it takes longer than the allotted time to stream anyway

[late vine]

hmm yeah it is whatever. I honestly don’t care if it doesn’t get fixed because even though I love the expansion for the story, I absolutely hate dogtown lmao

I avoid it as much as I can

which is kinda the point I guess 😂

Outside dogtown I haven’t encountered any issues in a long while

[gaunt hinge]

oh this is new. how is it?

[gritty geode]

oh really?? haha how come?

[hybrid violet]

I wonder if we can blacklist certain locations from using DI

[gentle haven]

What do you mean?

[gaunt hinge]

as a texture pack. i'm going to install it to try them out

[gentle haven]

It's a simple upscale all visible textures texture pack

I use it beneath the ultra plus modlist to scale up the few texturesthey missed

[round kiln]

Hello! Loving Ultra Plus, thanks for all the hard and amazing work. ✨

Wanted to ask: Is using Ray Reconstruction with RT+PT a good idea? Or is it preferred to have it off?

[late vine]

Well it is lore accurate to hate dogtown because the place is a shithole. Everything is falling apart, no police, all types of criminals, roads are filled with garbage etc. Once I do all story missions and gigs, I don’t want to return.

[gritty geode]

yes... we can just have a list of them and if true, disable DI

[gritty geode]

hi! 😊 thank you ❤️

[gritty geode]

it works fine, it's purely personal preference 😊

[late vine]

I would add to what Sammi said, if you can handle the smearing/ghosting, RR is superior in every way. But I will warn you that the smearing is very obvious with RR, especially on character faces if your fps is lower than ~80 (with FG) or if your resolution is lower than 1440p. Try it out and see if you can handle it.

I play at 4k 80-90 fps and even then the smearing is still there. I feel like it only truly becomes unnoticeable in the badlands when I am getting 110-120 fps

But at this resolution and fps it is much more tolerable so I stick with RR because it is better in every other way

[shadow heath]

It's unfortunate that Nvidia seems to have ignored the RR issues

like the posterization and ghosting on faces

but from what I heard the face ghosting problem is possible a developer issues, because the engine is not providing motion vectors for the heads/torsos

[gritty geode]

no i don't think that's true

[late vine]

I feel like once GPUs will be easily able to do 4k 60+ fps on Path Tracing WITHOUT Frame Generation, the ghosting/smearing issue will mostly disappear or become unnoticeable

But that’s not happening for another 3-4 years

until then RR itself will also improve

So many people ignore the fact that all these smearing and artifacts are happening because a lot of people are upscaling from 720p 30 fps with DLSS and FG

there is simply not enough data at that resolution for path tracing, and 30 fps is very low for temporal data

[gentle haven]

I could run 60 1080 without fg but then i have to enable dlaa which does not work

Do yall think dldsr might be a good idea?

[late vine]

sure if your card can handle it then absolutely

Goddamn

nearly double the amount of lights compared to engine limit

No wonder lights start flickering

[late vine]

Do DLDSR to 1440p, use DLSS Balanced and FG

Run the in game benchmark a couple times

if your average fps is around 85+ with Frame Gen, then play like that

If it is 90+, bump it up to 1440p DLSS Quality

Watch out for VRAM though

[gentle haven]

Since the trickery i did i have more then enough vram

It went from 13 to 10

While looking better

[minor smelt]

Could be of course. Everyone is quick to blame RR itself, but could also just be an implementation issue.

[gentle haven]

I'll try and show you the results

[late vine]

Eldritch horrors beyond mortal comprehension

Nvflods causes this

[gentle haven]

PTnext insane this is

[agile zenith]

audio glitching is a well known side effect for some lod mods, DBK's mod is one i avoid like the plague, guy is "special" and his mod is jank

[late vine]

go to setquality.ini reduce ShadingCandidatesCount from 32 to 20. It looks 90% as good (and you won't even notice it) but fps gains are huge

[gentle haven]

of insane?

[late vine]

Increase SHARC SceneScale to 200

[late vine]

yes

[gentle haven]

also in setquality or is this in the debug

[late vine]

do them from ini so that you don't have to do them later every time you open the game

[late vine]

I really don't like that guy. Pretentious

[gentle haven]

how?

[late vine]

Blames everyone except himself when people report bugs.

[late vine]

Go to Ultra+ folder

open the ini

edit it

save

lmao

[gentle haven]

shadingcandidates is default at 26

[late vine]

oh okay then reduce it to 20

[gentle haven]

for insane

[late vine]

I thought it was 32

20 and 26 look 97% identical

you won't notice a single difference even in side by side comparisons

[agile zenith]

not just that gate keeping, gaslighting, censorious happy with the ban hammer if you vent critique, snobbish i think that guy has some serious mental issues. I had a long conversation with him on discord, it was by far the weirdest talk i had with anyone in my 20+ years of internet experience

[late vine]

and BuildingCandidates count reduce to 10

[gentle haven]

i cant find sharc scene scale in ini

[late vine]

it should be in there

setquality

or maybe setmode/

[gentle haven]

ah

not in an ini

aha

[late vine]

yeah lua

setquality.lua

var.quality=INSANE

[agile zenith]

😄

[gentle haven]

yeah i though for the sharc you said in an ini

[late vine]

and mode PTNext

[late vine]

this guy

[gentle haven]

i changed it

it did not save

[agile zenith]

well you know, the mod is FLAWLESS if you silence all people who disagree with this statement 😄

[late vine]

Restart the game it won't save in real time

[gentle haven]

i did

[late vine]

Oh and you have to "re-select" Insane preset every time you start game

don't touch PTNext

just click on Insane

and 12GB VRAM

do this every time you restart game

and double check to see if it changed

now run the benchmark again

[gentle haven]

it seems to have broken

[late vine]

you gained some fps from Shadingcandidates, but will lose a lot of fps from SHARC

[late vine]

why

[gentle haven]

it crashed

but now it is running correctly

don't know what that was about

[late vine]

happens

test again for me

You should now get the same fps

[gritty geode]

it depends on the primary resolution 🤔

[late vine]

but better looking

[gritty geode]

I wonder if I can query the primary res and set things based on that 🤔

[gentle haven]

1440p dldsr now

[late vine]

Oh it does? Maybe that is why I don't notice any difference

[gritty geode]

really??

[late vine]

For me, the difference between 20 and 32 was so minimal it felt like 4-5% better visuals but fps went down a lot

[gritty geode]

yeah, it depends on resolution I fink

[gentle haven]

why is ptnext in the code multiple times with different values?

oh wait

nvm

[gritty geode]

low medium high 😊

[late vine]

Yes, this has been the case since Beta 07

[gentle haven]

yep, saw it

[gritty geode]

Lua doesn't have a case / switch command 😤

[late vine]

If you don't reselect the preset then it won't load any of your custom settings

will default

[gritty geode]

okay ty I'll take a look

[late vine]

it won't even load the default ini settings

it seems to default a lot of settings to Vanilla

I noticed this when I was double checking

Things such as ShadowFadeFraction for example

[gentle haven]

that does not seem right

[late vine]

they default to 0.1 when the ini is 0.01

and if you change ini it still defaults to 0.1

[gritty geode]

which ini?

[late vine]

lua

sorry

[gritty geode]

oh okay

[late vine]

Setquality.lua

Mode select seems to work perfectly

but quality doesn;t

[gritty geode]

it should call SetQuality() straight after loading the settings

[late vine]

seems like it doesn't

I mean it is not a big deal since it takes 2 seconds to click 2 buttons

[gritty geode]

hmm I'll have a look, ty

[late vine]

np

[late vine]

oh shit

[gentle haven]

that seems to have killed my fps

[late vine]

yeah sharc scenescale does kill fps

[gritty geode]

https://tenor.com/view/knap-mooie-lekkerding-alicia-silverstone-clueless-gif-10195503

[gentle haven]

it does look a bit better

[late vine]

set it to 100 in debug

and see

set downscale factor to 5

instead of 6

[gentle haven]

this one?

[late vine]

50 SceneScale should not even be considered above Low Preset until Sammi finds another fix for indirect lighting

[late vine]

yeah

keep it at 5

[gritty geode]

mine doesn't seem to be as dark as yours 🤔

it looked fine compared to PT20/21

[late vine]

In 95% of the cases it is fine

But in darker environments there is a lot of difference

doesn't even have to be fully dark

go to Jig Jig street at night

test around

[gentle haven]

fps is back

[late vine]

50 scene scale vs 400/500

[late vine]

yep, good enough, stick with it

[gritty geode]

oh yay local w, h = GetDisplayResolution()

[late vine]

1440p DLDSR with DLSS Balanced is going to look much much much better than 1080p DLSS Quality

[gentle haven]

less smearing?

that is what mostly annoys me

[gritty geode]

I can set the shader candidates from that

[late vine]

Slightly less perhaps but the main difference is image quality and sharpness. Although you might not notice that much on a smaller screen. Depends on screen size too

[late vine]

what does it do

[late vine]

@gritty geode mainly look at all the lights casting indirect lighting

[gritty geode]

I think there's a lot more smearing in rc1 than earlier betas

[late vine]

I also agree with this completely and idk why

[gritty geode]

no I'll take a look and work it out

[late vine]

nothing changed in terms of denoiser settings why do later versions have more smearing

[gritty geode]

at the moment some things are set too high if you're running at 4k, because they need to be that high for 1440p

so I should be able to look at the screen res someone is looking at and tune the quality for PT for that

[late vine]

ohh okay

[gritty geode]

so.. more fps basically

[gentle haven]

uhm

[late vine]

I made my decision on the ReGIR quality from the comparisons I made personally and also from FireKahuna screenshots

[gentle haven]

dldsr might have broken gsync

also

gpu is not fully utilized

somehow

[late vine]

Even Fire said that past 20 there are diminishing returns and 22 looks 95% as good as 32. I don't know which resolution he plays at but if it was 1440p, then at 4k there is even less difference. But either way, I think most people won't notice any difference past 20 during regular gameplay @gritty geode

[late vine]

How much not utilized

[late vine]

that do be happening

[gentle haven]

it is at 74%

[late vine]

VRAM

Below 85% means VRAM

From my experience

even below 90% is sus

but 74% is definitely running out of VRAM

[gentle haven]

nope

i think my cpu be commiting suicide

[gritty geode]

okay 😊

[gentle haven]

oh

yep

vram

damnit

[late vine]

CPU at 73% god DAMN

[gentle haven]

yep

[late vine]

5800x3D is basically a 7700x with the 3D cache, how?

we have same CPU

basically

mine is usually 40%

[gentle haven]

i haz 7600x overclocked

[late vine]

wait nvm

I think it is because 7600 has 6 cores

[gentle haven]

i would like my gsync back

this is strange though

[late vine]

yeah, dldsr doesn't disable gsync for me

do you have the g-sync indicator enabled?>

[gentle haven]

no?

[late vine]

Nvidia Control Panel

G-sync settings

on the top left

Display

G-sync compatible indicator

tick it

[gentle haven]

and what should i look for then?

what does it do

[late vine]

it shows if g-sync is on

[gentle haven]

where?

[late vine]

on the screen in game

top right corner for me

it says g-sync in green letters

[gentle haven]

if dldsr = on gsync = off

dont know why

dont know how

but it does that

welp

[late vine]

weird

[gentle haven]

that sucks

[late vine]

What is your monitor size btw

[gentle haven]

might it be that my monitor was not originally meant to use g sync

it is gsync compatible

[gentle haven]

no clue

i forgor

[late vine]

laptop or pc?

wait it is pc

nvm

[gentle haven]

23.8 inch

found the box

[late vine]

hmm unlucky

you could definitely benefit from dldsr

this is weird

[gentle haven]

tada

it go poof

[late vine]

yeah idk

okay do this insane

instead

go to dlss tweaks

[gentle haven]

yep

[late vine]

change DLSS Quality from 0.66 to 0.8

so it upscales from a higher resolution

[gentle haven]

and keep the ultraplus modifications?

[late vine]

I would keep the SHARC scenescale

but you can increase the shading count

maybe 22 or 24

DLSS Quality with 0.8 instead of 0.6667 will upscale from the same resolution as 1440p DLSS Balanced

This way you will get half the benefits of DLDSR without enabling it

anyways that is all from me, I have limited free time today so I will play a bit then do some work

let me know how it goes

[gentle haven]

fps is still about the same

[gentle haven]

alright

have fun

increased shading count and smearing is gone

[late vine]

Really?

[gentle haven]

that is what it looks like to me at least

[late vine]

which values?

[gentle haven]

80% dlss like you said and 22 shadingcount scenescale at 100

idk

it seems to be gone for me

[late vine]

20 and 22 shouldn’t make a difference in smearing

huh

lemme test myself

[gentle haven]

i don't understand either

also gpu usage went to 80 now

[late vine]

going from 20-24 reduced my fps by 3-4%

[late vine]

VRAM

[late vine]

can’f see a difference

[gentle haven]

i know

[gentle haven]

maybe because of 1080p 80%

dunno

maybe it goes poof when at 80% res

or atleast reduces significantly

but i am seeing close to no smearing now

somehow

welp

i am happy

[late vine]

Yeah I am pretty sure it is the higher DLSS Quality

[gentle haven]

yes it looks like it

But i am very happy with how it looks now

[late vine]

Glad I could help

[gentle haven]

this is what i always imagined pt to look like

thanks

[late vine]

yeah 720p is pretty low for internal res

1080p with DLSS Quality at 0.8 instead of 0.67 or 1440p with regular DLSS Balanced is the lowest you should go for

[gentle haven]

i can probably get a few more fps by increasing the power limit

[late vine]

Originally CDPR recommended minimum 4070Ti for PT. Your 4070Super is basically a 4070Ti non super

[gentle haven]

that is what i have

so i have reached the minimum

[late vine]

I mean obviously you could run it with much weaker hardware too

so it is not the actual minimum

[gentle haven]

my father has an 4060 16gb

and also plays with pt

[late vine]

but rather the minimum for acceptable looking PT

[gentle haven]

yep

he gets 55 without fg

on dlss quality

slighly higher then 1080p because of weird aspect ratio

[late vine]

I mean technically he could set it to 0.75 instead of 0.67

for a bit better quality

[gentle haven]

i had it set at 70 first

from 70 to 80 is a big jump in quality

[late vine]

yeah at lower resolutions every small bit counts

0.8 and DLAA (1.0 basically) also have big difference

you can set it to 0.99 and use DLSS Quality for DLAA btw

[gentle haven]

btw power limiting at 90 is usefull

because above 90 it starts using much more for like 1 fps extra

atleast with the 4070 super

[gentle haven]

that will probably turn into 60 with fg

don't want that

oh shit

[late vine]

yeah if the benchmark in game says 80 fps average, that means 60 fps in city center or dogtown

[gentle haven]

i turned of msi

[late vine]

that is why my minimum is 80-85 fps in the benchmark

[gentle haven]

dogtown sucks in performance

with the 6750xt i couldn't even go there with rt reflections and rt shadows

without it dying

[late vine]

lmao yeah

[gentle haven]

pc be blowing like crazy rn though

[late vine]

yeah well you are only running the hardest game to run

[gentle haven]

crysis back in the day be like

but isn't alan wake 2 harder to run?

[late vine]

absolutely not

even with Vanilla vs Vanilla

But Cyberpunk with mods is much much harder to run

For example you get 100+ fps in AW2 at 4k DLSS Quality with Framegen on a 4090

In cyberpunk with mods, if you use those same settings at 4k, you get 50 fps

with drops to 40

it is twice as hard to run but also looks much better

even without any mods, you get barely 70-80 fps at 4k DLSS Quality in Cyberpunk

[late vine]

By the way I tried this, tried all kinds of combinations between BatchSize and the other 2 related settings, increased it as high as 1024 even, but it doesn't seem to change anything for flickering lights

[vestal flint]

No you don't

[late vine]

?? Yes I literally do

At least from what I remember

https://youtu.be/JvizqAji6Qk?si=J1IaOKoacYpNvaLK

Here is proof

I have the game uninstalled but this video gets pretty much same fps as I remember getting

[agile zenith]

@late vine btw if you ever run into that issue again where your gpu is running at less than lets say 95%, try disabling nvidia low latency with boost, this kinda fixed that for me, not sure if that is the culprit but it i had it too while trying some different resolutions to gauge performance, and it went back up to 99%

[agile zenith]

wouldnt call this proof, average fps of 94 in an area with nothing happening 😄

with raytracing disabled you get 100+ indeed

[late vine]

My brother in Christ, have you played the game?

Nothing ever “happens” in any area and if you played the game you would know that the forest is the heaviest area in the game

You can also watch the digital foundry video

[agile zenith]

true that i havent

amen

[late vine]

…

What the hell am I looking at

NPCs are glitching like hell

This is a main story moment and reloading isn’t fixing it

@gentle haven this happened after I downloaded the Unchained textures mod that you recommended in the chat a while ago

Now uninstalling isn’t fixing it

I realized that it changes tons of character and hair textures and I am 99% sure it caused this

what do I do?

[gentle haven]

I have not seen that

Uhm

[late vine]

yeah my game is bricked

nothing is fixing it

Tested different areas it is now happening everywhere

[gentle haven]

Uhm

Sorry

Didn't know that could happen

[late vine]

Nah not your fault

but be careful with that mod

it changes NPC textures

and if you google this issue, it happens only with mods that alter visuals of npcs

hair clothing textures etc

[gentle haven]

I know, does that cause problems a lot then?

[late vine]

deleted for spoilers

if it counts as that

But yeah idk what to do know

probably going to have to reinstall game and reinstall every mod one by one

[gentle haven]

Me neither

Try verifying

[late vine]

and I hope that it didn’t brick my save because some NPC mods do break the save file

[late vine]

will that affect mods?

[gentle haven]

Don't think it should, but you can try those mod remove tools with backup

And then verify

And try putting them back

[late vine]

Verifying the files detected no issues

But it seems to not happen anymore in this mission

for now

never fucking mind

[gentle haven]

Yay

It fixed itself

Somehow

[late vine]

It seems to be only happening when there are way too many npcs on screen

such as clubs/bars

[gentle haven]

hmmm

[gentle haven]

yep

shadow burn in is still there

[gentle haven]

btw what does this mean?

its in the rr hud

and does it mean the quality of rr can be increased

btw nrd still seems to be broken

anything that is not in the pt worldspace starts acting strange with either sd enabled or disabled

with sd enabled the denoiser gets disabled for some reason

if ya'll don't see that my ultra plus might be fucked

gonna check if i reset the usersettings.json

nope still broke

[late vine]

Man Phantom Liberty with mods is an absolute train wreck of a mess

areas not loading properly

Doesn't happen anywhere else

@gritty geode I ended up reducing MaxNodes from 2000 to 1000, much closer to 800 in U+, hoping it would fix some issues like this but it seemed to change nothing. Is there any benefit to having it lower? For example setting PreCache distance above ~70 causes buildings and some areas to not load in properly. Is there such an issue with too high "MaxNodes"?

[gentle haven]

Welp, seems like ptnext still has a ways to go

[gritty geode]

yes, it seems to go over its budgeted frametime ... I think I set it to 3.0ms (or close to) for streaming. "max nodes" should be exactly as it suggests the maximum number of nodes that can actually stream within that 3.0ms per frame... but setting it too high with PT seems to go over the allocated time

possibly the engine doesn't estimate the extra time required for tracing newly streamed assets? idk...

[gritty geode]

yes ill fix it soon, I have a head cold and resting

[gentle haven]

Oh, that sucks

Hope you feel better soon

[gritty geode]

ty. I have urgent work I need to do too lol. going to have a nap ❤️

[late vine]

Alright thank you

[late vine]

Hope you get better soon

[late vine]

I played for a few hours yesterday, and honestly that was the only issue I had. It happened like once an hour and only in dogtown, nowhere else

And the NPC glitch ONLY happened inside the pyramid

So it seems Dogtown is really problematic. Couldn’t play for an hour without glitches

but the rest of the city seems alright

[gritty geode]

okay, I've also increased the quality of PT20 High. the problem is it takes several frames to resolve the higher quality, which can't be fixed

[gritty geode]

yes, it might be easier to mod Heavy Hearts in some way 🤔

[late vine]

I am 99% sure the NPC glitch is not Ultra+ related

[late vine]

To be honest this is the case with all modes, no?

PTNext is much better but it still takes a second or so of standing still to get the highest quality

At least for stuff in the medium-long range

[gritty geode]

yes but PTNext is the fastest by 3 or 4 times. much faster than the other modes

[shadow acorn]

If i used the balanced version from 3.5.3 should i also use balanced from 4.0?

Balanced is still supposed to look better than vanilla right?

[gritty geode]

yep! Medium

they are essentially the same, and yes there should be less noise and more detail than vanilla

even with Fast

[shadow acorn]

Caaraaazyyy

Yo why are you awake at like 4am. Get some sleep!

[gritty geode]

I sleep on Sundays 😊

oh, it's Sunday. nn! 😊

[agile zenith]

I have noticed lots of geometry disapearing when running nvlods, i think it just stresses your sys/game engine to much when you are already running a heavily modded game

[late vine]

@gritty geode I wanted to let you know that I found the fix for the huge audio issues. It has to do with all the settings in the streaming section. TimeLimitPerFrame stuff. I reverted all of those U+ values to Vanilla and it fixed like 95% of the issue. It is still there but pretty much fixed and very minimal

[agile zenith]

It seems like around that area there aren't setup enough occlusion planes

[late vine]

I removed that mod after installing but it seems to have not fixed the issue

[agile zenith]

im like 90% sure you are hitting a hard cap, either engine wise or system

[late vine]

I am 99% sure it is the system

[agile zenith]

been there before

[late vine]

I mean engine

I have pushed it too far

I reduced Max nodes from 2000 to 1000 and it fixed some issues

So yeah it is the engine being pushed]

[agile zenith]

like a lot of times i still have plenty of resources left acording to monitoring tools, and stuff like that happens

yeh streaming distance WILL do this

[late vine]

This engine is held together with duct tape and prayers

[agile zenith]

missing metro railways are also very common, audio glitches etc

[agile zenith]

ironically i am actually testing dbk's mod again, it seems to have integration with native settings now, so you can set a lot of parameters yourself, to test where it breaks without having to restart

[late vine]

Oh shi

please lemme know

I wanna know how it is

[agile zenith]

just try it, i honestly don't follow a scientific enough way to test it

[late vine]

Alright I will

Is it the mod you showed yesterday

Increased Distance?

[agile zenith]

yeh

https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/8694

• Draw Distance
• Precache Distance
• Min Distance Streaming
• Max Distance Streaming
• Max Nodes Per Frame
• Rendering
• Streaming Radius
• Spatial Range
• Occlusion
• Particles World Preview (Experimental Feature - make sure you read in Game Description before use)
• Observer Velocity Offset (Experimental Feature - make sure you read in Game Description before use)

Shadows and Global Illumination have been reworked and added back to the mod.

[late vine]

checked the comments, couple of people claim to have done extensive testing

it seems to come down to precache distance mainlty

and 50 is the safe value, while 100 works too (but can have issues in busy areas)

I use 60

I quote: "turns out the only settings that actually do anything are distance boost and precache distance. Distance boost breaks the geometry with any value above 0 but precache seems to bring things back without breaking anything although the effect is pretty subtle. other settings had no effect on the lod from my testing."

yeah not gonna bother, Ultra+ already does this

Now that I fixed the audio glitching, my main issue is currently that there are some areas where the shadows are heavily flickering and any car/NPC entering that area starts having flickering shadows

It gets fixed when they leave the area

the main one I found was in the roundabout in Kabuki. That place with the market and there is a netrunner shop on the higher floor. You go there to pick up your gift from Wakako in the beginning of the game iirc.

[gentle haven]

So, do you use that level of detail mod?

[agile zenith]

i tried it about 13 x when he said it was fixed 12 times

then i stopped using it

checked it yesterday and saw native settings integration so now i try it again 😄

[gentle haven]

lemme know if it is any good now

[agile zenith]

its must be good he is an IBM engineer for 24 years now so yeh, that is what he does 😄

[gentle haven]

i had issues with it earlier though same as you

[late vine]

In case I am wrong, let me know if you guys find out anything good. I would also use it

[gritty geode]

what happens when I can't sleep https://chat.openai.com/share/f6ed2dda-cdc7-46c5-863b-1e0c941aa11a

[gritty geode]

yes it's mostly precache and MinStreamingDistance that do the work. the rest of it does little or nothing

[gritty geode]

interesting! ty! ... the only challenge here i increasing this can dramatically reduce fps at least on some computers

[late vine]

Is higher MinStreamingDistance “better” as in it increases draw distance?

[gritty geode]

yep! some assets are only drawn farther than 20 metres if it's increased.

it's how sosuine's Not So Good Draw Distance mod works, he adds more assets to the min streaming distance

[late vine]

I don't get it, what does "only drawn farther than 20 metres" mean?

They despawn if you get too close?

[gritty geode]

they despawn if you get more than 20 metres away

15 to 20 metres

increasing minstreamingdistance increases this. installing Not So Good Draw Distance adds more objects so they won't despawn

[late vine]

Oh okay that makes more sense haha

By the way, I played for 4 hours today. Regular gameplay on PTNext Insane

Zero issues. It is almost flawless

Well there was this one place where shadows were flickering on PTNext but not in other modes

but that’s about it

Thank you so much for this mod. The vanilla Path Tracing is already the best looking game we have to date, but U+ with PTNext just takes it to a whole another level

I was stopping so many times while playing to just appreciate the graphics

[gritty geode]

yay 😊

in a few days I'll take a weekend and do some work on it 😂

no, these mods don't do the same thing at all

there is no way to increase environment LODs using ini commands

put another way, sosuine's mod increases the LODs of many objects, it's very noticable in some locations. Increased Draw Distance doesn't increase anything more than ultra+... (and adding Not So Good Draw Distance will add more detail)

[late vine]

Yep, this guy annoys the hell out of me

to put it nicely

Ultra+ and Sousine’s mod is all you need

Oh found something else

Activating behavioral imprint also behaves the same as entering cameras

that is, it deactivates then reactivates the SD

[gentle haven]

Okay, that is really strange

[late vine]

What is even stranger is that it only sometimes behaves the same as entering cameras

lmao

[gritty geode]

interesting

basically what U+ is looking for to disable SD is that you've left the game. I might need to use another method

from memory the call is OnGameSessionEnd() or similar

or OnInitialize()... something like that

[late vine]

Yeah it seems to consider cameras as a separate game session

Interestingly it doesn’t do this when you skip forward time in story missions (without loading screens) or fast travel to a separate location because of the story (passing out and waking up somewhere else for example)

[agile zenith]

how dare you question his authority, he is an IBM engineer, and he has been so for 26 years, this is what he DOES!

[gritty geode]

really?

[agile zenith]

the guy is an idiot

i dont believe anything he says

I love the moding community in general, and people spending time on it for themselves and others, but this guy is pretending to be some genious hotshot, to good to do stuff for free, while clearly not knowing HALF of what he claims to have mastered. I can show you many many more from this single conversation i had on discord, and one on the nexus (but he removed and blocked all my posts...). It is the weirdest convesation i had on the internet in my 20+ years of internet experience, and i have played on COD lobbies back in 2006, so that should tell you something 😉

^ IBM engineer ladies and gents

also he has a 4090 and a 13900k so thats why he gets proper blackfloor 😂

[late vine]

I have never seen another person claim that the game looks different with SAME settings

just because you are on different PCs

[agile zenith]

bro his monitor has peak nits of 4000

he is the first in the world to have this i guess

[late vine]

Bro must have those $100 000 Micro LED monitors

[agile zenith]

exactly he is from the future 😄

[late vine]

Also how do peak nits change the blackfloor

what the hell

[agile zenith]

or he got a 3000 kg monitor on his desk 😄

i actually looked up his monitor a while back, was samsung odysee g9 or something, with a peak nits of liek ~1000 and horrible eotf tracking

[woven island]

LOL, yeah the guy is a nut case, because of his mod I had to start a new game last year as my saves got corrupted hard...

[late vine]

I think Samsung Neo G7 is the best Non-OLED monitor for HDR

G8 has scanline issue, and g9 is just mediocre

[woven island]

he's more like a wannabe half-way-thru in terms of knowledge at least on HDR but suspect on pretty much everything... never gonna touch his mods again useless to say

[agile zenith]

the guy was gaslighting me hard

thats his peak brightness btw

claiming i dont know shit about HDR (which is true) i dont know much, but more then him lol

also kinda weird that 10% sustained is higher than 2% window

[late vine]

Yeah these samsung monitors get bright

I have an LG C2 OLED and Odyssey Neo G7 mini LED and 7/10 times I prefer the mini LED

Because I love higher brightness in HDR more than infinite contrast

Neo G7 has 20 000 : 1 contrast I think which is very high anyways

but yeah nowhere near 4000

even samsung’s false advertising says something like unofficial 2000 nits

[agile zenith]

yeh the guy is clueless claiming i am, among other very questionable things he said and does, but enough about him for now lol 😄

[gaunt hinge]

this man has one of those\

mini-LED TVs

which i think those really big expensive ones are the only ones capable of hitting those numbers at all

but he's obviously lying anyway lmao

[woven island]

Yup, typical behaviour of a mini-LED display. Don’t think is capable of hitting that peak though and those measurements from rtings prove the point, should be Samsungs undefeatable dynamic tonemapping that he may potentially see up to 4K nits detail albeit with less luminance and saturation

But we are digressing hard from the topic here…

[late vine]

@gritty geode by the way, your fix for the game slowing down over time in the config_common ini file works but causes massive audio glitches. I fixed the audio glitches yesterday by reverting those values to Vanilla, but now the game slows down over time. I lose around 10% performance after 2 hours of playing and reloading a save doesn’t change it. Have to restart the game for it to reset

Went from 85 fps down to 77 fps average after 2 hours

But honestly the audio glitching made the game semi-unplayable so I guess I would rather deal with having to restart the game every hour or so.

And I double checked that it wasn’t VRAM. My VRAM usage never went above 19-20 GB

[gritty geode]

argument from authority

[gritty geode]

I haven't seen more than one or two audio glitch issues reported in posts... I wonder if it's an interaction between a few mods

[agile zenith]

quite confidently claiming the biggest bs because he has 3K hours, and he knows MILLIONS who agree with him 😄

[gritty geode]

argument from authority (again)

[agile zenith]

there are quite a few more like that in an 1 hour conversation where i asked him if his mod could adjust film grain on the fly

yet this guy rather talked about donations, not needing this (eventhough thats one of those things shortfuse/lillium etc) spend hundreds of hours on, o man this guy lol

i had to trust him because he helped cyanide make his mods 😄

not quite literally said this but not far off from saying this

im still cringing thinking about the whole conversation

[gritty geode]

ummmm

hmm. well, the video Krush made that he refers to, Krush and I discussed it. I won't speak about what other people said, but the mod didn't make any difference

draw distance has been broken since 2.0

min streaming distance and precache, afaik was discovered to work by sosuine, who put a lot of work into adding assets to also be controlled by it

without sosuine's mod, only some assets are controlled by it. though I disagree with sosuine's settings for path tracing, because the engine behaves differently.

but saying "don't use other lod mods" is an incorrect understanding of how CP works.

[agile zenith]

yeh that blanket statement can only be made by IBM engineers i guess

[gritty geode]

use sosuine's NSGDD mod. all ultra+ is doing is making assumptions of what kind of PC you have based on vram, and adjusting min streaming and precache based on this. this is known as scalability

as for that particular mod, I don't have it installed. that's all I'll say

[agile zenith]

also i dont know if you read dm's but i kinda wanna make a mod, and maybe you can point me in the right direction 😉

[gritty geode]

yes I do, did you dm me?

I don't read dms on nexus or reddit, only discord

[gentle haven]

I am curious what kind of mod

[agile zenith]

mods that add / alter rain clipping though objects

trying to fix that

[gentle haven]

interesting

[jade ridge]

Wait, what? 😐

I would love to know where that one came from.

[late vine]

Yeah could be, I am using multiple LOD mods stacked up and also Precache/MinStreamingDistance all the way up

Could be that the values in U+ are not viable for some combination of those mods

or that those mods are made with Vanilla values in mind

[agile zenith]

you must feel honored getting help from an IBM engineer

[jade ridge]

Oh, I think he's referring to me sending him my LUT to test for feedback.

[agile zenith]

yeh his screens eotf tracking is bad, he had default values in windows, and he "calibrated" for that, likely running dynamic tonemapping too

[late vine]

we should lowkey drop this topic guys

[shadow heath]

several pages of Discord DM drama

[gritty geode]

lmao when ChatGPT says "you should document the results of this experiment, nobody has done it"

[gentle haven]

Sammi, do you recommend improved ads distance now? It has had a few updates.

[gritty geode]

idk! I had problems with the first version but sosuine said it was very WIP. if you try it let us know?

[subtle flame]

I've had zero problems with the mod since the updates he has made.

He's constantly updating it

[late vine]

Yep, same here. Been using it for a week now. Can’t play without it

It improves visuals much better than improved LODs do

Because LODs are (relatively) subtle but ads popping in is huge because of their size and how many there are

I also recommend to pair it with Always Best Quality ads

Seeing ads kilometers away at full resolution is something else

Off topic by the way, but man I can’t stand it when people who lack the simplest knowledge about technology claim that raster looks better or can look better than Path Tracing. It genuinely annoys me that there are people who believe that 😭😭

Reminds me of those people from 10+ years ago claiming human eye can’t see past 30 fps

[gaunt hinge]

people still say that

which ads do we recommend, then?

[late vine]

use sousine’s mod

and Always Best Quality

those 2 are enough

[gaunt hinge]

thanks!

[agile zenith]

https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/12700 https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/13014 these 2 i can highly recommend and they won't conflict

[gaunt hinge]

ooo thanks

[agile zenith]

https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/11484

[shadow acorn]

So any nuances with the latest ultra+ that i should be aware of?

I'm going to try out 4.0

[shadow acorn]

Do you still recommend keeping ray reconstruction off?

[late vine]

You have to set the quality preset by re-clicking on them every time you launch the game, but aside from that, nothing really

What I mean is whenever you launch the game, don't touch the PT mode (such as PT20/21/Next) but click on the quality preset and VRAM (such as Medium/High/Insane and 12/16/24)

[late vine]

Depends on the resolution but if you are playing at 1440p with no lower than DLSS Quality, Ray Reconstruction should always be on

the positives FAR outweigh the negatives

especially at higher resolutions

At 1440p with DLSS preset lower than quality, or just at 1080p, I would still turn it on and off to test for myself before deciding. See if the trade offs at lower resolutions are worth it to you

[shadow acorn]

Thanks that is helpful. What does it default to if you don't do that?

[shadow acorn]

I do 1440p and Quality DLSS

You're saying it should be on?

Does that have anything to do with Ultra+, or do you just think this in general?

[late vine]

In general

For me, I find the limitations of NRD (even with Ultra+ fixes and even more so without Ultra+) too severe compared to Ray reconstruction

To compare, here is how RR is better:

• Much higher fidelity reflections
• More detailed and accurate shadows
• More accurate lighting
• Less noisy in motion
• More responsive in motion
• Shorter "settling time" for lighting
• Reduced Ghosting

Here is how RR is worse:

• On lower internal resolutions with DLSS, there is more smearing artifacts on faces

I would say at higher internal resoltions, RR looks the same as NRD ~20% of the time, looks better 60% of the time and looks slightly worse 20% of the time

[late vine]

So yeah, at 1440p DLSS Quality, I would say that the internal resolution is high enough that it is a no brainer to use RR

[shadow acorn]

interesting, I feel like everyon has historically told me not to use it, haha

thanks for the information

[late vine]

If you check the Steam Hardware Survey, you will realize that ~97% of people don't have GPUs strong enough to run the game properly at 1440p DLSS Quality

@shadow acorn but fps is also really important though, what fps are you getting

I would like to add: RR is a no brainer at 1440p DLSS Quality or above, with an average fps of 75-80 or above (if using Frame Gen) or 40 fps or above without Frame Gen

at lower fps it gets more smeary but to be honest so does the default denoiser

[shadow acorn]

at least 80 with dips to 70s. I capped it at 80 so not sure how high it's getting. Probably 120s maybe in some areas

[late vine]

Yeah just turn it on

[shadow acorn]

ok i will test on vs. off thank you!

[late vine]

No problem

[gentle haven]

that is because path tracing is just difficult to run

[late vine]

yeah, as I said, most people recommending to turn RR off, don't have a GPU to play at those higher resolutions and fps

you need a 4070Ti Super to average 80-85 fps with Frame Gen at 1440p DLSS Quality

and that is with vanilla settings and no mods

[gentle haven]

can confirm that a 4070 super is not enough

[shadow acorn]

for whatever reason ,it seems like car lights are not casting

anyone get this?

[gentle haven]

nope I have not seen that

[shadow acorn]

there are no lights from cars lights weird

[late vine]

For example with all the mods I have that improve visual quality a lot, I get 85 fps average at 4k DLSS Performance with FG. Without mods I would get ~100 fps

[late vine]

Hmm, haven't seen that

[shadow acorn]

what the fuck

weird

[late vine]

restart game maybe

[shadow acorn]

i did

[gentle haven]

try toggling some things

[shadow acorn]

yea definitely ultra+ doing it

not sure why

will try messing with it

it's the NRD

there are no car lights cast unless i turn RR on

it's something with the RTXDI separate denoiser. You have to toggle it. Even if it appears unchecked it's not

[gentle haven]

hmmm

why is nrd working for you

[shadow acorn]

just another weird toggle

[gentle haven]

mine keeps breaking

[shadow acorn]

you have to toggle that

even if it's unchecked

[gentle haven]

both ways

it breaks

[shadow acorn]

it's enough with a 4080

[gentle haven]

HOW

[shadow acorn]

hm?

[gentle haven]

oh wait

nvm

that was a 3080

[shadow acorn]

haha

yea 3080 no way

[gentle haven]

nah what i meant was a 4070 super is comparable to a 3080

[shadow acorn]

oh

aight

yea then no way

[gentle haven]

except better rt performance ofcourse

[shadow acorn]

Here's my process. Start game. Turn RR off. Load save. Open Ultra+ control panel. See that the separate denoiser is checked again for some reason. Uncheck it. Now it works

[gentle haven]

yes, but you have not seen the issues i have

mine just broke i guess

[shadow acorn]

It's not making me re check those. It saves it

[shadow acorn]

What are you talking about?

[gentle haven]

textures burning into the screen and getting overlayed on pc

[shadow acorn]

which issues do you see? I'll look for them

[gentle haven]

or the denoiser just shutting down

[shadow acorn]

do you have a screenshot? Does it happen immediately?

[late vine]

is RR turned off in U+?

and NRD is checked?

[gentle haven]

yes

gimme a sec

[shadow acorn]

thx

[gentle haven]

look at her right arm

its only on the skin it breaks

the white dots i mean

that is with it off

with sd on she turns into this

i guess skin is just not working properly

now

[shadow acorn]

that happened in some locations even with version 3.5.3

[gentle haven]

don't know what broke it further earlier

[shadow acorn]

it's just the NRD not keeping up

another good example is the boxing guy at your megabuilding

half his face looks like that with NRD

[gentle haven]

yeah, but i do not like it

[shadow acorn]

yea fair enough

[gentle haven]

so rr it is for me

[shadow acorn]

i don't think tha'ts new in 4.0 though

is all i'm saying

[gentle haven]

ah

didn't see it before

but then again the last time i turned rr off was with u+ 1.8

[shadow acorn]

really only notice it sometimes

[gentle haven]

yes, especially with skye in clouds

also another issue with nrd (which i probably already known) rainbow dots appearing in the distance

[shadow acorn]

@gritty geode the separate denoiser is getting stuck on sometimes with no way to disable

just ran into that'

it's really hard to get it to work right lol

if using NRD

something not sticking with the toggle

very unpredictable. Similar to RIS re-enabling itself

[agile zenith]

its in the debug console too 3rd tab

if i am not wrong, but yeh i had to disable those constantly too to get some lights to cast light again

[shadow acorn]

yea seems a bit finicky

i am using version 3.5.3 for now

I can't seem to get a predictable method to make sure the latest version works properly with NRD.

[agile zenith]

yeh same, seems to be related to separate tonemapper

[vestal flint]

I am torn with RR, whilst it does give a performance boost, and resolve better fine shadow detail

What it does to faces and how thin lines just worble as they never resolve is very offputting

There is no real way to fix it, even 4K DLSS Q looks bad

Rain on puddles looks like some AI halucination

[agile zenith]

some people use different dlss profiles, but that is to much to ask for me, you have to check if motion blur is disabled though, because that causes a lot of funky behaviour too

but i think RR overall is my prefered, faster resolve, not that much if any ghosting, and 4k dlls Q isnt that bad for me

[agile zenith]

https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/13483?tab=files there is a loose ripple file, try it, might work better

[vestal flint]

It wont fix the root of the issue

RR ramps all normal maps into overdrive mode

Faces and skin are just bad with it on

Alan Wake with RR, Saga looks like a diff person

[agile zenith]

that is interesting

i kinda suspected RR uses the texture that is under the normal map (idk the name)

https://streamable.com/5o2255

thats how it looks for me too

and i think he plays on 1440p

displacement map?

[vestal flint]

Also unless you are at DLSS 4k Q, thin lines never resolve

with RR off, they never appear lmao

but it's less distracting becuase the denoising of RR has a very AI look to it

[agile zenith]

that seems like a different issue, do you run ultra + or have you disabled SSR though an INI file?

[vestal flint]

I dont run Ultra+

[agile zenith]

[Editor/PathTracing]
UseSSRFallback = false
UseScreenSpaceData = false

check your ini files if they have these lines

[vestal flint]

I dont have ini files

I am just talking about how RR is not great in all regards

[agile zenith]

for sure, i think the game relies on NRD to do some lighting too

also that ini might be usefull

because since 2.12 it no longer does this, where you lose reflections/ maybe water refractions

[vestal flint]

I also dont really like how PT looks in 2.1 as a whole

[agile zenith]

i prefer it over raster, or their ray tracing implementation, but its not witouth issues

[vestal flint]

I just prefer the 2.0 version

[late vine]

After 250+ hours of playing with Path Tracing on a 4090, I wouldn’t touch 2.0 with a 10 foot pole

[agile zenith]

wow

[late vine]

Naive bounces/rays is never going to compare to ReSTIR

Unless you use so many bounces and rays that your performance is in the dirt

[agile zenith]

sounds like 2.0 pathtracing cheated on you

[late vine]

but 2.1 isn’t great either

PTNext with ReGIR + ReSTIR is the best we have

[agile zenith]

yeh PTNext is by far the best the game has looked imo, though for me not usable as is

[vestal flint]

I'll give PTNext another look, but if it still has the same issues I mentioned beforehand I'll stick with vanilla

[late vine]

ReGIR is meant to be implemented with ReSTIR and Patch 2.1 was supposed to have ReGIR implementation but it seems like it got cut so 2.1 came out half assed

[agile zenith]

resolve takes to long, need lower DLSS to be able to run same fps and the missing lights issue is what keeps me away from it

[late vine]

Resolve is better for me with PTNext than 2.1

[agile zenith]

my game also runs less smooth with it

[late vine]

And missing lights is an issue yes

but very small one

because most of the time lights are all casting proper light

and yes it costs more fps

because it is more accurate and better looking

[agile zenith]

its not just the performance impact, like my gpu go's idle mode faster

like running @ half wattage

same happens in 2.12 but seems to take longer

[late vine]

Multiple things:

1. The game seems to slow down over time. For me it starts after about 2-3 hours of constant playtime

Restarting the game fixes it easily

2. Until it starts slowing down after those 2-3 hours, my GPU is never below 80% wattage and usually hangs around 90%

[agile zenith]

i just disable the whole world space, and toggle ray/pathtracing on and off

[late vine]

I am pretty sure it is the vram

[agile zenith]

100%

[late vine]

you mentioned running out of vram

Mine never goes above 19-20

[agile zenith]

if that happens once, its over

[late vine]

I have no clue how many mods you have installed lmao

[agile zenith]

our modlist was pretty similar

[late vine]

What else could you have downloaded that takes an extra 4-5 GB VRAM on top of my 10+ texture and LOD mods

maybe your idle VRAM is too high?

My idle VRAM on desktop is only 1.5-2 GB

[agile zenith]

although i do have some high quality ads + those mods that ALWAYS display the highest quality + 720p videos playing on those tv's instead of 320p

[late vine]

When I open wallpaper engine and the wallpaper runs in the background, my idle VRAM goes from 2 GB to 4 GB

[agile zenith]

johnsons nulled mod too

[late vine]

hmm

[agile zenith]

and a few other nulled mods

[late vine]

could be those yeah

[agile zenith]

yeh might remove that one do some benchmark on/off

[late vine]

For me the unchainned textures mod took me from 20 to 24 GB

[agile zenith]

always level 0 lod on all those tiny things can wreck it i guess

[late vine]

it has shit ton of extra textures

but wasn’t worth it for me

[agile zenith]

i think its nice for a base, but not running with it at the moment because vram issues

[late vine]

anyways I won’t be able to hang around much today because I got work to do but can you dm me a list of ALL your mods (visuals related) and imma check it out a bit later

I wanna use that extra 4 GB vram I have

[agile zenith]

all these i am currently skipping

[late vine]

Unchainned is easily extra 4-5 GB

alone

[agile zenith]

most of it gets overwritten

[late vine]

for me it only had 600 out of 8000+ overwritten

And 7200-7500 new textures

so too much

way too much

[agile zenith]

i did combine all the texture packs into one mod, was like 14 GB instead of ~12/13

[late vine]

If RTX 5090 is around 60-70% faster than 4090, and has 32GB VRAM

shut up and take my money

[agile zenith]

i'll buy it regardless if i use it or not

those things will have a shortage like nothing else

[late vine]

I won’t buy it unless it is 60-70% faster

It has to be a decent improvement

[agile zenith]

well 60% = 2 generations

[late vine]

Nuh uh

4090 was 70% faster in raster compared to 3090

and 2x faster in ray tracing

PLUS it has frame gen

[agile zenith]

that is a bit of a out lyer

[late vine]

3090 to 4090 jump was biblical

[agile zenith]

most generational updates 60/70 series etc is like 30 to maybe 40%

[late vine]

Yeah I know but then 5090 better have some new tech like Frame Gen

[agile zenith]

nvidia basically made 4 1080ti's lol

[late vine]

Lmao yeah they did

[agile zenith]

over 3 generations

[late vine]

I defend Nvidia on the higher end but their lower end is pathetic

wtf was that 4060/Ti

[agile zenith]

1080ti was an outlyer aswell

[late vine]

it was

I think 4090 is the new 1080ti

It will hold up extremely well with 24 GB VRAM, Frame Gen and its raw power

[agile zenith]

they go for a massive monolithic die now, 5090 will be baucoup money

i honestly feel like AI is going to make a massive impact

[late vine]

It will

[agile zenith]

and that gpu processing will change dramatically

we might have a period where we get asic chips for AI

same as they did with physicx

[late vine]

AI or not, if the difference between 4090 and 5090 isn’t 60 fps vs 100 fps I ain’t buying it

worst case 60 fps vs 90

[agile zenith]

buy it, sell it on the grey market

[sleek quiver]

Hey guys 🙂 not to derail the convo or anything but can you help me out with where I find the PreCacheDistance setting?

[agile zenith]

make 100% profit

[late vine]

setvram file in Ultra+ folder

anyways really gotta go

talk later

[shadow acorn]

Did you turn RR off in AW2? I just turned it on cause DF said it was decent lol

[vestal flint]

I left it on but I wasn't happy either

their denoising is very performance heavy and slow to resolve the lots of flickering lights , and RR ruins the faces

[late vine]

I think RR could definitely be improved

But we gotta keep in mind that DLSS upscaling has been around for 5 years and constantly being worked on. Meanwhile Ray Reconstruction has been around for what, 7 months?

It took DLSS almost 3 whole years before people started saying “goddamn this is actually free performance with no noticeable downsides”

give it 2 years and RR will be the same

[agile zenith]

guess i found the culprid (or at least the straw that broke the camel's back)

but as soon as the benchmark loads i see all vram just gone lol

[late vine]

what was it

[agile zenith]

i mean to be fair its just my modlist, but what freed up a lot of vram was Terrain4k, a discord exclusive

tried to put in some ai upscaled texture mods from xilla again, and it plummeted just as hard again

[woven island]

at least my take from this is that we have a pretty much identical system 🙂

[agile zenith]

lol thats 3 of us

hoonter runs basically the same

[agile zenith]

also my usersettings file is getting corrupted when i load in the game, after i edit it

C:\Users\Remco\AppData\Local\CD Projekt Red\Cyberpunk 2077

wrong one?

[woven island]

hmm, reminds me of certain struggles i have in the past few days... 🙂

[agile zenith]

i tried disabling steam sync to cloud and make it read only, maybe they changed some stuff in 2.12

[woven island]

i'm not touching that

i got so many corruptions with this game and had to start over a few times already, reinstall etc

[agile zenith]

but it is the right usersetting file right?

[woven island]

i mostly edit the files in the install folder

[woven island]

for HDR settings not really

[agile zenith]

derp where is it located again?

[sleek quiver]

I have a question: I installed PTNext/v4.0-rc1 version. If I wanted to switch to PT20 in the "Rendering Mode" section do I need to also install those files from the main download?

Im confused since the PTNext install instructs you to "Delete ALL Ultra+ ini files", so it seems to me you shouldn't mix those files.

(hope its ok to ask questions like this here, couldnt find the answer elsewhere)

[woven island]

C:\Program Files\Epic Games\Cyberpunk2077\r6\config\settings\options.json

ignore Epic lol

[agile zenith]

tnx

[agile zenith]

the tool should take care of all of it, remove all U+ files from your mod folder

C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Cyberpunk 2077\engine\config\platform\pc

[sleek quiver]

So if I only have the PTNext optional download installed (and no U+ files in the folder above) im good to go? I can just change rendering mode in the CET window at it will work?

[late vine]

All you need is the Ultra+ folder

in bin/x64/plugins/CET/mods

[sleek quiver]

Awesome. It wasn't completely clear to me if it included it all or not, but I guess it does. Thanks!

Btw I love this mod its so good ❤️

[late vine]

I know right

This mod carries this game in terms of visuals

I could never go back to Vanilla

[woven island]

Started to fiddle with Ultra too, for PTnext goodness. Does RIS need to be disabled with it via ini as in relight.ini or is Ultra taking care of that?

[late vine]

remove relight.ini

Just use U+

and disable RIS in the console

PTNext on High preset looks better than PT 2.1 Insane by the way

[woven island]

i do have it deactivated just wanted to understand if RIS needs disabled, like for good Ultra or not

[late vine]

So if Insane preset ruins your performance, use High

[late vine]

for relight it needs to be disabled

[woven island]

otherwise no, i mean vanilla PT without Ultra?

[late vine]

Vanilla PT has RIS enabled

so does every Ultra+ mode

only disable if using ReLight

[woven island]

ah, I see, clear now, many thanks

[late vine]

I would recommend a couple changes to the values if you want

[woven island]

all ears

[late vine]

I would set SHaRC SceneScale to 200 or more depending on how much fps you want to lose

the default 50 value is way too low for proper indirect lighting

discord is not opening right now on my PC due to server issues otherwise I would send screenshots

you can find my comparison screenshots by searching this chat

[woven island]

i think I read your guys convo about it

[late vine]

ideally you would want 350-400 or more

but even 200 kills the fps

50 vs 200 is like 7 fps loss

[woven island]

oof, I already lost 10-15% perf

[late vine]

depending on scene it can be the difference between 95 fps vs 85 fps with 50 vs 200

with 400 it would be 75 fps

[woven island]

damn, too much fps loss, other things will not run good at that point...

[late vine]

So set it to 200 and just eat the loss, it looks much better in dark areas with indirect lighting and if you have a 4090, you can take the loss

[woven island]

i've got the same hw as you

do i set it in the debug section?

[late vine]

the problem is, PT2.1 and 2.0 have indirect lighting that is by default equal to Sharc Scene scale ~450

without any performance hit

because they save performance in other ways

So technically in some really dark areas with very few or small indirect light sources (so basically only in some rare situations), PT2.1 is better

because 450 is a big improvement over 200

[late vine]

You can, but if you want a permanent change, set it in setquality.lua

otherwise you have to set it every time

in setVRAM.lua

change precache distance for 24GB to 60

Both MaxNodes to 1000

[woven island]

thank you, I'll proceed

[late vine]

yep, those should be the main ones

other than that, just set it to High or Insane and enjoy

[woven island]

got it, thanks for the tips

[late vine]

but if you want to use Insane, set ShadingCandidates and BuildingCandidates equal to High preset because High looks 95% as good as Insane with those settings

but they kill fps

I personally use Insane preset and only have lowered those ShadingCandidates from 32 to 22

gives you like 10+ fps while looking 95% as good. You won’t notice a difference unless side by side

FireKahuna confirms it in his comparison pictures if you look it up in chat

[woven island]

so Insane with these tweaks plus the Sharc scene scale to 200, and you still have more than 60-70 fps?

[gritty geode]

no, that one is a personal preference. some people hate RR, others love it 😊

[late vine]

I use Insane with ShadingCandidates lowered from 32 to 22 and Sharc scenescale increased from 50 to 200. Basically losing 5% visuals with ShadingCandidates and gaining 5% visuals with Sharc and keeping fps same.

I get 80+ fps average

4k DLSS Performance

in city center it is more 70 fps

in badlands 90-100 fps

[woven island]

of course, thing is that I'm used to 116fps to 90 at the lowest, kinda scared for the fps loss but i'll see how i get on

[late vine]

Frame Gen in cyberpunk is decent at 70 fps too

and 80+ is good trust