▫️Cyberpunk 2077 Ultra+ 2.13 Patch Patch Patch Patch

[late vine]

so FOV works?

for the burn in

[subtle flame]

From what I tested yeah

It resets something

Man, RT+PT is such a good performance option for people that want more. Comparing screen shots, it gets really close to PT in some scenes.

To me it's either PTNext for quality or RT+PT for perf

Some texture detail is definitely lost when using PT from what I'm assuming is denoising or dlss 3.5

[late vine]

What resolution are you running at

[subtle flame]

1440p

[late vine]

yeah RR works best with higher res

I have crisp textures at 4k with rr

[subtle flame]

4k?

Ah

[late vine]

The only issue is faces

in some lighting conditions

but it is what it is

[subtle flame]

I have faith it will be improved like SS and FG were

AI just needs more training time

Like the new dlss preset E is pretty much perfect

[late vine]

yep

[gritty geode]

i just tried to do it programatically and it doesn't seem to fix things the same way 🤔

[gritty geode]

the only thing both RT and RT+PT is missing is proper AO ... i'm working on that next

i think with proper AO it will look very close to PT

[gritty geode]

this is why i prefer NRD

[subtle flame]

Yup I noticed that

@gritty geode Hey btw when using RT+PT and then enabling RR it doesn't save it for the next time I boot up the game. It sets it to NRD on every start. Can this be fixed?

[gritty geode]

yes i know, i think that's a vanilla problem... it's on my list to fix

[subtle flame]

I just tested without your mod and it doesn't reset to RR off

[subtle flame]

So it isn't really the FOV being changed that fixes it right but something that is called to reset the settings?

Or camera or whatever

[late vine]

@gritty geode is turbohack enabled by default in all modes?

another question: what does "AmbientOcclusionRayNumber" do and why is it 0 for PTNext when in Vanilla it is 1?

and why are some stuff that are enabled in Vanilla disabled in PTNext such as "EnableDiffuseIllumination" or EnableTransparentReflections and stuff like that

[gritty geode]

no i deleted it 😊

[gritty geode]

i presume it's the number of rays used to calcualte AO for ray tracing ... but AO doesn't seem to work for raytracing. its default value is 1... it' snot used in PT at all

[gritty geode]

they don't do anything 😊

well, as far as Fire and my testing goes they don't

[late vine]

ah okay

Then it wouldn’t hurt to enable them right?

Since they are default values

just to be safe

[late vine]

oh okay, I saw it in the options file so I thought it was enabled by default. Is it safe to remove it from the code then?

the mod doesn’t work for me

Failed to find game option “Checkerboard GI”

and it doesn’t load the Ultra+ panel

[real ravine]

delete the mod folder and extract it again, it probably tries to load an option that was saved from the previous state of the mod

[late vine]

Already tried it

Would it cause issues?

[real ravine]

oh nvm, just move the CheckerboardGI line from config_common.ini under the [Rendering] section

[late vine]

move to where?

[real ravine]

under [Rendering]

same file

it's under [RayTracing] now

[late vine]

ah okay got it

Okay 2 more things

1. The game doesn’t detect my settings until I click on PTNext

even if it was already automatically selected

stuff like SunAngularSize or ShadowFadeFraction for example

2. this file has the Sharc Scene Scale but it doesn’t show up in U+

[agile zenith]

going into a car changes the fov, might be a quick workaround if you don't want to go though the menu's

[shadow heath]

I don't understand what point you're trying to make? Lumen is just Epic's native implementation for GI/Reflections, why are you surprised it looks worse than PT?

[agile zenith]

also quickly tried rc1, can confirm that its the best cyberpunk has looked so far. Tested it at to my knowledge the best spot to test performance (front of heavy hearts going inside), I did ran out of vram, and my 4090 shat the bed, walked to the big barghest encampment with my gpu running at ~200 watts consitently, walked out of dogtown, to still suffer this. Went into the menus and apperently this cleared up the issue, and resumed freeing up ~3GB of vram, and springing back in action running at ~400 watts again

[late vine]

I am not surprised. I just don’t agree with people saying it is as good as PT or some say even better

[shadow heath]

Literally nobody says that

[agile zenith]

you should look at some demo's, ill try to find it, but man lumen can look spectacular

[shadow heath]

It's like arguing against a straw man

[real ravine]

can you show me what's below the SHARC section in the mod menu?

[shadow heath]

Also you picked a very specific kind of scene where the difference is very obvious due to glossy reflections

[agile zenith]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7tp4eg0ax8

[shadow heath]

Outside of edge case scenarios like that, the difference is not going to be so big

[shadow heath]

Also another thing to note is that few developers will bother adding Nvidia's PT, because that's on a separate Nvidia custom branch of the engine

Which creates all sorts of issues

[real ravine]

it should be the first, right above ReLAX direct diffuse fast, maybe u forgot to add sammi's modified options.lua after extracting the original mod files again?

[late vine]

Yep I know, I double checked

The code lines are consistent with other options too

[late vine]

I mean I am not saying Lumen is bad, it is actually impressive what Hardware Lumen can do compared to PT

It is like 80% as good with much better performance

I would rather have that in every new game instead of full Nvidia PT in a couple games

But whenever there is the option, I would always choose Nvidia’s PT. That was my point

[shadow heath]

Since it's not integrated into mainline UE5 branch and not available as a plugin, means there will be very low adoption

[late vine]

Lumen or PT?

[shadow heath]

PT

[late vine]

Yeah I know, it is what it is

[real ravine]

can you try to move this under RTFLOAT?

[gentle haven]

I see that i have missed a lot

I also see that big improvements have been made

Nice

[late vine]

worked

the GOAT

thank you

[real ravine]

when you load into a game, does the mod output in the console "PTNext detected ... separate denoiser"?

[late vine]

Yes

but

I was going to say

It actually disables it

lmao

[real ravine]

okay, i wanted to be sure. it might still be broken

[late vine]

So i have to untick it

and only then it acts like it has been enabled

okay so another issue

SHARC Scene Scale at 50 is wayyy too low

sorry for phone pictures but I can’t be bothered to alt tab and snip every time

1 sec

SceneScale 50

250

150

[gentle haven]

A BUCKET APPEARS😮

[gritty geode]

oops

[late vine]

550

[gritty geode]

that may or may not have been me

[late vine]

I mean look at the difference

[gentle haven]

that is way too bright of a bucket

[late vine]

it is a big ass light in a pitch black cave

even a small flashlight would be bright

[gentle haven]

Its a light?

[gentle haven]

You can clearly see that the bucket is too bright

It looks very out of place

[gritty geode]

how many texture mods do you have installed? 😮

[gentle haven]

i think this one looks fine

[gentle haven]

550 looks too bright

[gentle haven]

50 seems too dark

[late vine]

Okay hear me out. Go to your bathroom, turn off the light, find the smallest tiniest flashlight you can find

turn it on

watch how the entire room illuminates

[gentle haven]

I understand how light works

[late vine]

it is supposed to be this bright

[gritty geode]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSp56wGplw0

[gentle haven]

But bucket😭

[gritty geode]

sorry, i'm tired. hold on

[late vine]

it is fixed no worries

[late vine]

even 250 turns almost as dark as 50 though

once you move a few meters back

it should be the bare minimum

but

it kills fps

even 250 is around 7% slower than 50

and it is barely an improvement

[gentle haven]

oh, that sucks

[gentle haven]

that too

[late vine]

550 is a 15% performance hog but it doesn't seem to be affected by distance at that point, at least not visible

[late vine]

but your fps will go from 70 to 60

or 60 to 50

[gentle haven]

have you tried somewhere else?

[late vine]

about to try

[gritty geode]

v4.0-rc2

• prevent separate denoiser turning on when using NRD
• fix checkerboard GI
• fixed SHaRC scale not being adjustible (it's further down now)
• fixed something else 🤔

[late vine]

okay here is the thing, PT21 does not have this issue

[gritty geode]

see? i agree 😂

[gentle haven]

you going quick now

[late vine]

PT21 is also NOT affected by sharc scene scale

it is always as bright as 550 in PTnext

[gentle haven]

so bucket is really correct there

huh

bucket looks so strange though

my brain is just tricking me

[late vine]

okay, all other settings being the same, PT21 performs same as PTNext with SceneScale 250

[gritty geode]

i settled on 200 in my earlier testing. you could try 200 or 250 with a downscale factor of 10 or 15

[late vine]

and I think 250 should be the bare minimum

[gentle haven]

maybe add it to the quality settings?

[late vine]

PT21 and 2.0 look around equal to Scene Scale 400+

[gritty geode]

yes that's where it was originally

[gentle haven]

ah, but it got removed from there

[real ravine]

@late vine can you try to replace line 399 from init.lua with:
if not config.regirActive and var.settings.mode == var.mode.PTNEXT then

[late vine]

will do in a sec

[late vine]

Okay I don't even know what the hell is going on

I restarted game now sharc settings do nothing

[real ravine]

for the latest version that sammi uploaded recently

[gentle haven]

https://tenor.com/view/magic-gif-26166638

[real ravine]

btw, you're reloading the mods instead of restarting the game, right?

[late vine]

wdym

I am restarting game

[real ravine]

xdd

there's a button "Reload all mods" i think is named in the CET menu

[gentle haven]

You are correct my good sir

[late vine]

Oh shi

Imma try that gimme a bit\

[real ravine]

you can edit the mod files on the fly and reload the mods without having to restart the game

[gentle haven]

don't think cyberpunk really allows that with some files

[real ravine]

just the CET mods

[gentle haven]

yeah, i thought so

[real ravine]

if you break something the mod wont compile and wont load until you fix it, so you can hack around

[gritty geode]

yes, people complained "ouch my 4090 😭"

[late vine]

so at least with U+ I can edit and reload from cet?

[gritty geode]

RedHotTools enables reloading archives and other things

[real ravine]

yep

[gritty geode]

what's the change? 😊

[late vine]

Failed to load config common

bruhhhhhh

I am going to rip my hair out

I didn't even touch anything

[gritty geode]

heheh

welcome to modding 😂

[real ravine]

you were checking for the ReGIR being enabled in settings, but the mod was disabling it at init and regir was never being enabled again

ah nvm

[gritty geode]

nope

the code is loopy

[real ravine]

removed game is active and game loaded check since DoFastUpdate already checks for them

[gritty geode]

oh, yep, that's much better

[late vine]

so what do I change

[real ravine]

regir is not being enabled tho from what it seems and i cant debug right now

[real ravine]

u could try this

it probably wont do a thing

but idk

[gritty geode]

oh ReGIR was working fine for me

and the logger was saying all the right things

idk that it's broke, WoaD

[real ravine]

this one

[late vine]

I replaced it with your line

it still disables SD

[gritty geode]

are you using NRD?

it doesn't enable separate denoiser if you're using NRD (but I forgot to remove the message)

[late vine]

I use RR

[gritty geode]

maybe go back to rc1... I think I was too tired 😭

okay well that's weird

[real ravine]

the logger is saying it is being disabled only, code acting sus

[late vine]

same thing

but it didn't happen at first

[gritty geode]

@real ravine there's an if not GetOption("RayTracing", "EnableNRD") wrapped around the separate denoiser enablement

[late vine]

only after a few reloads

[gritty geode]

get rid of that and it will work

idk how that GetOption is returning true with RR

(or just use that section from rc1, it works fine)

[real ravine]

from this

to this

@late vine

[gritty geode]

yes. it may need a wait around it I'm not sure

(I am kind of curious if we should be enabling SD before ReGIRDI)

sorry for the trouble folks. don't code angry 🤪

[real ravine]

😡

[gritty geode]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-drive-angry-stay-calm-driving-groundhog-woodchuck-gif-10874287

[real ravine]

is there any reason we couldn't do the toggle when it is needed only?

for example turning it off and then on again one time when the game loads

in the whatever specific order it works

[gritty geode]

it needs to turn off before the shaders are built (before the game starts loading)

that's why it's set up so specifically

[real ravine]

hmm, okay

[gritty geode]

basically as soon as U+ sees the game unload, it disables it, and then waits til the player is in game to enable it

the only oddity is on a small percentage of times there's a weird shadow overlay, and disabling ReGIRDI and re-enabling it again seems to fix it ... which is why I'm wondering if it should be enabled after separate denoiser

(also changing FOV fixes it)

[late vine]

Okay SHARC scene scale seems to cap around 500

[gritty geode]

or we could just do

• enable ReGIRDI
• enable separate
• disable and re-enable ReGIRDI
  which should always work

[late vine]

250 should be the absolute lowest quality settings

[gritty geode]

@real ravine it's ridiculous but there's a reason CDPR didn't judge enable ReGIR I guess

[late vine]

Because in PT 2.1 and 2.0 they seem equal to around 400-500 sharc scene

[gritty geode]

there are other ways to adjust brightness too though

that don't cost anything 🤔

[late vine]

I don't think it is brightness

light bounces simply don't reach a lot of places with lower sharc scale

[gritty geode]

yes there's other ways to fix that

[late vine]

also the difference between 250 and 500 is as big as 50 and 250

[gritty geode]

the two settings under ReBLUR... 10.0 and -1.0 or something

they have nothing to do with ReBLUR

[late vine]

let me test

[gritty geode]

they adjust bounce lighting

something something roughness 🤔

[late vine]

is it in U+?

or in ini/lua files

[gritty geode]

yes 😊

um probably setmode

[late vine]

hit distance roughness scale?

[gritty geode]

I think in the debug menu too

yep!

those two

I'd better get to sleep 😂... I really want to stay up and help but WoaD will get mad at me 😂

[late vine]

unfortunately changes nothing 😦

[late vine]

Good night and thanks for your work

I will try to figure something out

[gritty geode]

hmm, maybe that's the problem then 🤔

okay, there's also emissive distance and other such things

[late vine]

I will test it all out

[gritty geode]

SHaRC is just so expensive at that scale

nn

[agile zenith]

i think its more because of lod mods tbh, i do run some, can run with way more sometimes too, idk still trying to balance things out a little

[agile zenith]

i do have a request, could you check some things that might crash the game if not running with DLSS, like when running in DLAA, and you want to compare lets say PT2.0 to 2.1 or PTnext the game ctd's. My suspicion is because of RR being "enabled" while DLAA is active, might also just crash on native setting (no dlss) idk

• also far behind on reading but RC1, didn't save the debug settings

[gritty geode]

yes I can look... I think I should probably just remove RR/NRD from the mod tbh the game doesn't handle having them changed well at all

PT20 is better than PT21

[agile zenith]

i was trying to get the best tracing for character shots, since those denoisers destroy detail and such

i do have the NRD toggle from Cyanide, so for me its fine if it gets removed

i also think that the ini tweak to disable NRD sticks, if im not mistaken

[late vine]

Oh my god let him cook

is it

is it working?

wait wait wait

IT IS WORKING

It enables SD

Properly

aaaaand now it doesn’t load the other parameters properly

Fuck

[agile zenith]

one of the denoisers is interesting, it seems to affect shaddowmaps only

[gritty geode]

I'm not sure what you mean?

[gritty geode]

oh which one?

[gritty geode]

... what are you doing? 😂

[late vine]

Okay wait wait it worked

so it is weird

Here is what I have to do to make everything load properly

1. Click on PTNext even if it is automatically set from the last time. This loads my own PTNext settings (the default ones are somehow different from ini values unless I click PTNext manually)

2. Tick and untick Seperate Denoiser

3. Load game

Only then will SD correctly enable and also keep my own ini values

[gritty geode]

I'm very curious what you modified now 😊

[late vine]

the biggest one is Sharc Scene Scale

I set it to 400

kills my fps but I can't stand light sources casting bounce lighting that is barely any better than regular RT

[gritty geode]

the .0 is important

make sure it's "400.0"

[late vine]

Yep it is

350 is good too

the difference between scene scale 350 and 1000 is that after around 5-6 seconds, 350 goes back to being darker (but still 10x brighter and better than 50 or 100)

[gritty geode]

I'll have a look at light source scales soon

[late vine]

for those first 5 seconds, there is no difference between 350 and 1000

so 350 should be a good value unless someone is planning to stay in one place and stare at a light source for longer than a couple seconds which nobody will do

[gritty geode]

there has to be another way to do this

[late vine]

I sure hope so because I miss my fps

[gritty geode]

but I've also A/B'd between PT20 and PTNext and haven't seen much difference

yes there's other things that affect lights and bounces

I'll compare when I can 😊

[minor smelt]

To my knowledge the user never indicated he was surprised, just wanted to show how stark the difference was. Which is quite stark of course and good to show to people with less knowledge about this. Quite some people on YouTube seemingly don't know the difference between PT and lumen. Regarding your "It's like arguing against a straw man"-comment; please respect what others say, especially in the case they are saying someone else is saying it and that those someone elses obviously wrong about it haha

[late vine]

The thing about SHARC scene scale is that you will only notice the difference in dark areas with few light sources which rely a lot on bounce lighting. But the hit to your fps will always be there even when you don't see a difference

[gritty geode]

yes that's what I was testing in... very low light

🤔 anyway, nn, again 😂

[late vine]

haha good night

[real ravine]

@late vine can you try these and tell me how is PTNext looking? just select PTNext in game without loading another save

[late vine]

Okay so I restart game and touch nothing with this file?

just load a save?

[real ravine]

you can just reload from CET

and set PTNext, without loading a save file

[late vine]

broke everything

the image seems raw

you know how it looks without denoisers?

[real ravine]

yep

[late vine]

Okay it is fixed

done

The solution was very simple

[late vine]

I only changed this from rc2

So whatever you do, do NOT touch any of the modes

Start game, choose preset medium/high/insane

choose vram

if PTNext is already chosen, don't touch it

if it is not, then choose it then restart the game

reloading mods doesn't work for this

once you do this and load into a game

it works and activates properly

SUMMARY:

When you load the game, if the PTNext option is already enabled, do NOT touch it. You can change EVERYTHING else except touching PTNext or Seperate denoising

after that it will work perfectly

for some reason clicking on PTNext breaks the code

@gritty geode @real ravine read this

I tested it 6-7 times and this works

clicking on separate denoising manually also breaks the code

This is how it should be when game starts:

PTNext enabled
Seperate Denoising Disabled

Everything else is irrelevant. You can change them as much as you want. But don't touch PTNext and SD and if they are not enabled/disabled by default, set them correctly and restart the game

I was about to lose my damn mind lmao. I am not touching any updated code until it is 200% fixed

[gentle haven]

sad

i seem to have missed a lot 2.0

[agile zenith]

i think you implemented the disable nrd every 30 sec because i had some issues with it 1 month ago or so. But either cyanides NRD toggle disables it permanently but the ini i used to run with ([RayTracing]
EnableNRD = false) also sticks

[minor smelt]

Please take feedback like this seriously @shadow heath You should not be so aggressive in your standpoints when someone says something you don't very much agree with. We had someone in the past here who also always shrugged off any feedback we gave him and well.... 😅

[late vine]

Okay so after 6-7 hours of testing, I am done for today and I am not going to lie, PTNext is kinda unplayable because of the SHARC and bounce lighting issue. I get 20% more fps with PT21 insane than I do with PTNext High (every other setting being the same). And aside from the shadows, PTNext actually looks the same or worse in most cases. This is because anything above SHARC SceneScale 100 is unplayable even on a 4090 at 4k DLSS Balanced with Frame Gen. The fps drops below 50 fps WITH frame gen in heavy areas and it looks horrible. But even if you can stomach the fps, SHARC SceneScale 100 is nowhere near as good as the indirect lighting in PT2.1, which seems to have indirect lighting quality equal to SceneScale 500 on PT.

So far:

PT 2.1 Pros:

• Much higher fps
• All lights cast direct light properly unlike PTNext where some lights don't cast anything until you are looking directly at it from 5 meters
• Bounce indirect lighting is superb, at least twice as good as PTNext if not more

PTNext Pros:

• Image is a bit more stable
• Shadows are more accurate and resolve with 5 times more detail and from much further

[gentle haven]

but does 2.1 not smear a shit ton more

[late vine]

Nope, at 4k, it is only slightly more

Which is why I said PTNext is a bit more stable

[gentle haven]

and at 1080p quality

it sucks

[late vine]

But when your base fps without frame gen drops below 30 fps, I don't know if it is worth it

because low fps causes just as much smearing

[gentle haven]

60 with ptnext

base fps

[late vine]

No, PTNext WITH framegen drops below 50 fps

in heavy areas

and it is constantly below 60 fps at anywhere outside the badlands or very light areas

unplayable

[gentle haven]

with the sharc scale at 100

you said

[late vine]

yes

[gentle haven]

which it is not

[late vine]

but the thing is, indirect lighting looks 10 times worse with Sharc Scene Scale below 350-400

at 100 you might as well turn off indirect lighting

and at 50, some places genuinely look like raster

with how badly the light bounces

okay I over exaggerated a bit

But still, it genuinely doesn't feel like the tradeoff is worth it

[gentle haven]

smearing vs high fps

i know what i am choosing

[late vine]

Okay update:

Just turn DLSS to Performance at 4k

it looks 90% as good as DLSS Quality I can barely tell the difference

but fps never drops below 70 even in heaviest scenes now

and I use SceneScale 175

[gentle haven]

so you are using ptnext now?

[late vine]

yeah aside from the fps and bounce lighting I had no other issues

fps can be fixed by lowering dlss

and bounce lighting is somewhat fixed with SHARC SceneScale

and with higher fps it is much more stable than 2.1

plus everything else looks better

But yeah you need a 4090 for playable fps at 4k with PTNext, even with DLSS Performance

It is meant for 5000 series

[gentle haven]

so that is 1080p

[late vine]

it looks almost same as native 4k lmao wdym?

[gentle haven]

so on a lower card dlss quality 1080p should be fine

[gentle haven]

dlss performance renders at 1080p

[late vine]

yeah I know but have you ever used DLSS at 4k?

[gentle haven]

i dont even have a 4k monitor

so i dont know how i would do that

[late vine]

my point is that at 4k DLSS Performance looks 85% as good as native 4k but yeah on 1080p I wouldn't go below quality

[gentle haven]

Depends on the game though

but with cp nuh uh

They set it up wrong

Control can go lower while still looking the same

[late vine]

If you update the DLSS file to 3.7 for every game and use preset E

it doesn’t depend that much

but Cyberpunk has one of the best implementations I have seen

Alan Wake 2 as well

[gentle haven]

i did

But it still depends on if it is set up correctly in the engine

[gentle haven]

control too

[late vine]

I agree

[gentle haven]

If you use the hdr mod from one of the developers it gets even better

[late vine]

Already have and did a full play through with it

[gentle haven]

me too

90fps 3x ray count

[late vine]

The 3x rays option at 4k brought my 4090 to its knees

[gentle haven]

dlaa

[gentle haven]

damn

4k is hard to render though

[late vine]

4k DLAA 3x rays I was getting 60 fps

with drops to 50

So I used dlss quality

[gentle haven]

still not bad

those 4090 be beasts

[late vine]

yeah at 1080p, there are 2 million pixels so with 3x it is 6 million rays.

4k has 8 million pixels so 3x rays makes it 18 million rays

and that is just the rays, the image is just harder to render at 4k

[gentle haven]

is it correct that blender uses 4000 per pixel?

but damn that is a lot

18 milion rays

[late vine]

That is a shit ton

you can adjust it

I haven't done blender in a couple years tbh

I used to before

Wanna have your mind blown?

open them side by side and tell me which dlss setting is which

4k

[agile zenith]

thats not how it works 😄

[late vine]

?

before you mention "still images, not in motion", just take a look at the images first because there is a big difference even with still images

I just want you to take a guess

[agile zenith]

do it again,and dont move the camera

and also post them at the same time so you dont have to download them

you can view them inside discord if you paste them at the same time

[agile zenith]

but i can already tell from the taillights that they are both upscaled

[late vine]

okay tell me which preset

[agile zenith]

the shadows hit differently

do a 1v1 comparison

just look at it

[late vine]

okay here is a hint

[agile zenith]

on the left the shadows are a blurry mess

[late vine]

look at the back window

look at the white building right in front

it has no lines in one picture

[agile zenith]

yeh dlss can add detail

also to much detail

[late vine]

okay ready to have your mind blown? The one on the left is native 4k and on the right is DLSS Performance

[agile zenith]

i much rather play on native 4k then 4k quality dlss

and i was kinda forced playing on performance and balanced because of ptnext and vram issues, but i cant stand how it looks

[late vine]

How? it is quite literally better

[agile zenith]

its so blurry, and things in the distant become horrid

[late vine]

How exactly

Do you play at 4k?

[agile zenith]

look at npc's faces, at 4k quality they look fine

at anything lower and they become a blurry mess

also windowlights start flickering, which i find very annoying

they even start rolling in a sense

while standing still

[late vine]

DLSS 3.7?

[agile zenith]

yes

[late vine]

I haven't experienced these issues

[agile zenith]

i didnt change profile though

i still need to look into that

[late vine]

DLSS Quality NPC faces are almost just as bad as DLSS Performance

it is not the dlss but rather Ray Reconstruction

[agile zenith]

im talking about their level 1 lod

on anything less than quality they become nightmare fuel 😄

[late vine]

bruh

I have played on Quality and they are nightmare fuel either way

looks like they have no face

[agile zenith]

likely depends on lod mods

idk

[late vine]

I didn't even bother with LOD mods for pedestrians and I am using like 10 different other LOD mods

[agile zenith]

there might be some logic in the engine

[late vine]

but pedestrians are so unnecessary I never look at them

[agile zenith]

i was amazed by your high praise of dlss

completely different experience here

anything other than quality is very meh to me

[late vine]

I would rather fly by them at max speed in my car playing at 90 fps than play at 60 fps and stare at far away NPCs

Maybe we have different tolerances. Anything less than 80 fps is too low for me

[agile zenith]

yeh i dont mind the fps that much 55 to 90 is fine

i play on a controller so that changes things too

[late vine]

yeah me too lmao

but even with a controller, it was unplayable for me getting 50-60 fps

especially with FG

[agile zenith]

o for sure, like some people are really sensitive to blurr and stairstep aliassed images

i just prefer good lighting above all

and lod range

[late vine]

I can tell from how you are running out of vram at 24GB

mine never goes past 20 gb and I have shit ton of LOD mods

[agile zenith]

lol i had it as low as 80MB left this morning lol

that was on native dlaa, while infront of heavy hearts

but when i disable the world, and load it back in, i got like 1300 mb again

[late vine]

my list

wait

unedited

imma edit it

Improved Veg. LODs next-gen
Cyberpunk 2077 HD Reworked
Next-Gen Environment LODs
RT Debris
Not so good Draw Distance
Improved Rain
Improved Environment Textures
4k Trees and Vegetation
High-Res Vending Machines
High-Res Stickers
High-Res Posters
Better Surface Textures
Highest Quality ads + draw dis.
Advert. Animations

Environment Texture Overhaul

And in Ultra+ settings I have VRAM.ini file settings increased 3x higher than insane

2000 Nodes per frame
60 Precache Distance
80 Minstreaming Distance
etc

with this combination I get basically no pop in at all during regular gameplay

ONLY if I drive at max speed in a straight line and look far away can I see some smaller stuff popping in

[gentle haven]

wow

[agile zenith]

not to be combattive or anything, but these images are already highly compressed, not in native 4k (3206x something) and indeed they are not in motion either. And the perspective is different too (camera moved). It might sound nitpicky but its not intended that way

[late vine]

no I understand what you are saying

but

the image on the left is running at 32 fps

the one on the right is 76 fps

[agile zenith]

yeh pathtracing is a pita

[late vine]

be so for real right now and tell me you would choose 32 fps

[agile zenith]

i wouldnt chose either

[late vine]

NO frame generation btw

Base fps

with frame gen one is 60 fps other is 144

[agile zenith]

i wasnt lying when i said i dislike anything but dlss quality 😄

we all value differnt things

[late vine]

damn

I respect it tho

I have played competitive fps games for years at 200+ fps for thousands of hours, even 80-90 fps is like meh

[agile zenith]

i just mod things until they break, even accepting 30 fps if the visuals make up for it

[late vine]

my fiancee plays on consoles mainly and when I showed her how 144 fps looks like

she deadass looked me in the eye and said it is barely any better

[agile zenith]

most people are still used to 24 fps movies

lol

[late vine]

So some people are just not sensitive to it ig

I have bought some playstation exclusives in the past and couldn't finish them because I realized I can't have fun at 30 fps

[agile zenith]

i remember going to the theaters where they ran a 48 fps movie, people got sick

[agile zenith]

its the main reason that brought me back to pc gaming was skyrim on the ps3, at 20 ish fps

[late vine]

I have played Bloodborne on base PS4 at 25-30 fps and it is still my favorite game of all time

Although I haven't touched it in years because I know 100% I will hate the game if I force myself to replay at 30 fps

sounds elitist I know

[agile zenith]

nah i know, i cannot play some games unless they run at 90+ fps

[late vine]

But 80-90 fps is the lowest I am willing to go for any game

Cyberpunk only exception

where I can "tolerate" 60-70

[agile zenith]

it helps a lot when its locked at 30 45 or 60

but when it rotates in between those its horrid

[late vine]

yeah but you don't lock fps with frame gen

otherwise I would agree

[late vine]

this means I get 140 fps in menus and map/inventory but 70 fps in game and it is so jarring

[agile zenith]

i dont really care much for motion smoothness (framegen) more input sensite myself

[late vine]

I am both, which is why I play with controller

[agile zenith]

i play my RTS games with controller 😄

[late vine]

at 80+ fps with frame gen I can use mouse

but 60 fps with FG? no way

anyways enough talking imma play a bit

talk later

[agile zenith]

same

[gritty geode]

as I've said, SHaRC scale is not the right setting to fix it. you need to just wait for me to sort it out.

and I would appreciate you not turning others off of PTNext, because while at 4k there are very few problems with PT21, many people don't play at 4k and both PTNext and PT20 are far superior.

PTNext runs at Insane 1440p at 120fps on a 4090, it is not targeted at a 5090.

I appreciate your feedback and testing, and it will go into the next changes, but there are a dozen levers that can be pulled to address this without touching fps.

[late vine]

I apologize, I didn't mean to come off that way

In the following comments I gave an update that it is very good if you just lower the dlss setting, which was already written in Ultra+ actually, I missed it

I am currently averaging 4k 85 fps with DLSS Framegen AND Sharc SceneScale 200

But DLSS Performance instead of Balanced which looks indistinguishable 95% of the time

[gritty geode]

I think it's really useful feedback, I hadn't noticed less bounce lighting in PTNext in the lowest light situations and I can address that

you're good. yes it's more resilient to upscaling. the other thing is most people won't notice the low light situations so much because there are only 4ish areas in the game like that. anyway I'll sort it when I can 😊

[late vine]

By the way, increasing SHARC Downscale factor (log) actually reduces performance and gives back some of the missing bounce light.

[gritty geode]

yes I know 😊

[late vine]

Downscale factor 20 SceneScale 100 has the same fps as factor 5 scale 400 and they look identical

[gritty geode]

it's increased a lot in PT21... that's how I got so much detail in it 😊

that's also what you're comparing to... vanilla doesn't do that and doesn't have that detail

[late vine]

Oh absolutely, vanilla is not even an option for me at this point

PT2.1 Vanilla isn't good even at 4k

[gritty geode]

it's also an auto exposure issue I would guess. PTNext might need the auto exposure of dark areas lifted.

[late vine]

could be yeah

[gritty geode]

I'll ask Cye about that

[late vine]

I think I will stick to DLSS Performance because better bounce lighting + extra 10 fps is more noticeable to me than 5% sharper image

I can increase SHARC Scene Scale to maximum (500) and still average 70 fps but I think 200 is good enough without killing all the performance

[jade ridge]

Ask me.

[late vine]

@gritty geode Since I have been playing at DLSS Balanced the entire time, and this was my first time trying DLSS Performance, I would like to give further feedback about this. With PTNext, resolution barelly affects the path tarcing quality, if it even does. Especially if it is a small bump from each other (e.g. 1 DLSS level). And the image looks 95% as good when still. However, i discovered that higher fps actually makes the game look better in motion (which people will be experiencing way more than standing still) than higher DLSS level. For comparison, in a certain scene I get 90 fps with DLSS Performance and FG, but 70 fps with DLSS Balanced + FG. as soon as you start moving DLSS Balanced falls apart because it only has 35 real frames instead of 45 with DLSS Performance. Even a low res "real" frame is going to look better than an AI generated "in-between" frame so the image holds up better in motion. And obviously motion clarity is much better with 90 fps compared to 70.

Another thing I found was that the smearing on the faces with RR actually are just as dependent on fps as they are on resolution.

90 fps has much less ghosting and smearing and the faces look noticeably more detailed in motion

Despite the fact that DLSS Balanced has 35% higher internal resolution, but DLSS Performance has 30-35% higher fps, so it balances out and because of the higher motion clarity, I would say it actually looks better

I don't know how much this would apply below 4k, considering 4k DLSS Performance still has higher internal res than 1440p DLSS Quality, but it could maybe worth dropping to 1440p DLSS Balanced from Quality for the extra fps

Oh, and this is an issue when you take control of cameras

Whenever you switch to a camera it temporarily detects the game session as “ended”

but it always successfully reactivates after 1-2 seconds. So technically not an issue but the lighting takes a couple seconds to “get fixed” when you go into a camera and then also when you leave

[gritty geode]

can we change the auto exposure stop points ?

[jade ridge]

Through the env, yes. You can set min max points, compensation, and increase dynamic range.

It's not something that can be done through console commands or INI tweaks, though. Perhaps through RenoDX?

[gritty geode]

oh bugger, seriously

I might have to debounce that

[gritty geode]

hmm okay ty 😊

[gritty geode]

yes fps is really important for path tracing, as is primary resolution... ReGIR is less reliant on primary resolution as you've found out.

to put it another way, path tracing problems are much more likely to get exaggerated by a temporal upscaler (DLSS) ... ReGIR has fewer problems, so this happens a lot less. primary resolution is still important, but it's the only one that looks "good" for me on 1440p balanced.

fps is important because PT is collecting rays over real frames, so it takes a few frames to fully resolve the image

[late vine]

no no please don’t 😭

it works perfectly

doesn’t affect gameplay

you just have to wait 1-2 seconds when entering or leaving camera control

I much prefer this latest method of enabling it because it works consistently

the previous one activated separate denoising when it felt like it lmao

sometimes it would work sometimes not

also haven’t had any of the shadow burn in issues with this version yet. If it is there, it is definitely more rare

[gentle haven]

Is nrd supported now?

[gritty geode]

debouncing it won't break that 😊

[gritty geode]

yes! I think so! I'm a little unsure whether separate denoiser should be on or off for it though, lmk what you think?

I think it should and sixty9 thinks it shouldn't 😜

[gentle haven]

alright, i'll take a look

[gritty geode]

for me it's working with SD enabled and vegetation looks correct. for him it's not working with it enabled

[gentle haven]

so i have to look at grass

[gritty geode]

I fink so 🤔

I feel like I have so many random reports over rc1, from "it works great" to "everything on my PC blew up"

[gentle haven]

grass looks fine

with it enabled

btw what lut do you use? @gritty geode

[late vine]

@gritty geode when the 4.0 releases fully, is it possible to keep the debug menu? I rather liked it

[gritty geode]

it will be there, you will just have to add an empty file called debug to the folder and it will enable 😊

[gritty geode]

I'm using Preem at the moment

ummm it may be a beta version 🙄

but the screenshots I posted a while ago were my own modification of gits 2.8

I agree, the debug menu is awesome

except for this. I don't understand this at all lol

[late vine]

Just remove Global Light option or label it as “Broken” so people don’t touch it

also for some reason my DLSS Tweaks stopped working. Anyone knows why it may be? Log says something like nvngx_dlss failed to hook DLSS3.1.11 Preset Selection Code

And the in game hud no longer shows which preset is selected for DLSS

[gentle haven]

Hmm, also using that one

[gentle haven]

Are all the files still in place?

Especially nvngx

[gritty geode]

ohhhh, i have an idea

[gritty geode]

you updated your nvidia driver and need to run the reg file again?

run DLSSTweaksConfig.exe as admin, it will tell you if there's a problem

[late vine]

ran it as admin, showed no problems

but I did update drivers and didn't run the reg file

this is what the log says

[warning] nvngx_dlss: failed to hook DLSS3.1.11+ preset selection code

but exactly 2 seconds later it says:

DLSS functions found & parameter hooks applied!

-DLSSPresets:

• DLAA: E
  -Quality: E
  -Balanced: E

etc

so is it working?

I just wanna know if DLSS is set to Preset E

It shows the HUD for RR and FG but not for DLSS

only when I disable RR it shows hud for DLSS

does this mean it can only display 2 HUDs at a time, or does it mean the preset stops applying with Ray Reconstruction?

[subtle flame]

It stays, its just that RR and DLSS HUDS overlap each other. I use Nvidia Profile Inspector and the xml file from here https://www.nexusmods.com/site/mods/781?tab=files. I use it to globally enable preset E. Whenever a game doesn't have the updated 3.7.0 DLSS file (like multiplayer games where you can't update the DLL) it falls back to the game's default preset. Even then, you can set the preset on a per-game basis. For example, I prefer preset C on DLLs older than 3.7.0. DLSSTweaks is too much of a headache for me to setup because its compatibility is hit or miss.

Actually, you need at least 3.6.0 to set the preset per-game through NPI. At least according to Emoose's comments in the mods comment section. For older DLLs it still falls back to the games default preset when E is unavailable but set globally.

You wouldn't be able to use DLSSTweaks in multiplayer games anyway.

[gritty geode]

yes I use this too, a lot easier than DLSSTweaks 😊

[late vine]

I use both

I used the DLSS Tweaks to set the preset globally and then use Nvidia profile inspector to check whether it is setup properly

So I guess it works, RR HUD is just overlapping with it

thanks

Btw is Nova Rain good without Nova LUT?

[gentle haven]

I have tried it and it seems fine. I did stop using it but i do still use the higher res ripples.

[late vine]

Oh wait you can use separately?

I mainly wanted it for the ripples

Compatible with Sousine’s mod?

[gentle haven]

it is an seperate mod

[gentle haven]

which one?

[late vine]

Improved rain

or is it

that one

[gentle haven]

It shouldn't conflict

[late vine]

Just as I found a mod I wanted to install, Nexus goes on maintenance

man

[gentle haven]

it did?

[late vine]

5 mins ago

ye

[gentle haven]

shit

[late vine]

No rain for me

[gentle haven]

hope it doesn't stay down for long

[late vine]

Can you send me the ripples file

Nova Rain

dm

[gentle haven]

i am not home currently

[late vine]

ah okay no worries

by the way I found the reason why my GPU usage would sometimes drop to ~80%

It was not VRAM

I found out that it only happens when you drive as fast as you can, without stopping, for a couple minutes

I am guessing it is related to loading assets with all the million LOD mods I have installed

[gentle haven]

Still vram issue

[late vine]

The CPU usage goes past 60% when it is usually around 40% on a 5800x3D

so no

[gentle haven]

but that asks the question

[late vine]

It is actually the CPU issue

it can't keep up

[gentle haven]

@gritty geode are those mods on the ultra plus page on the 8gb?

[gentle haven]

hmmmm

SMT?

[late vine]

It is auto

I have never had the CPU be used this much in any non-simulator game, especially in a GPU bound scenario like 4k Path Tracing lmao

[gentle haven]

Yeah, cyberpunk sucks at cpu usage

But try testing fps with smt off vs on

Auto does not always work correctly

[late vine]

No it is actually the opposite, it uses the CPU properly instead of most other games which are single thread limited

[gentle haven]

Not true

Smt is broken on most cpu below the ryzen 7000 series

[late vine]

I have tried, sometimes it is better than auto but it sometimes gives me problems and I have to manually switch it so I just keep it at auto

So I was right that it was the CPU but apparently after some googling, I found that it could be the SMT actually

thanks for letting me know, I will do extensive testing

[gentle haven]

alright, glad i could help

[gritty geode]

what do you mean by on the 8gb sorry?

[gentle haven]

you said on the ultra plus page you used an 8gb vram card

[gritty geode]

oh! yes I do 😊

[agile zenith]

i send you nova and preem rain in a dm

[gentle haven]

then my next question is, how

how does it not stutter like hell with those texture mods

[gritty geode]

I only use 2k textures and run at Medium texture quality

[gentle haven]

aha

[gritty geode]

that's the only way I can run. since 2.0 (or something) I can't run vanilla at high texture quality any more

I think they internally bumped up the lod by 1

[gentle haven]

hmmm

[gentle haven]

they really broke something cuz i constantly use 13 out of 12

so my gpu is always begging for mercy

[agile zenith]

they kinda messed up the lod, it starts transitioning to the wrong lod and then to the right one when you aproach certain things, idk if that is part of the heavier resource usage, think sousine described it too, but nexus is down so i cant look for it

[gentle haven]

can we swap the lods?

[agile zenith]

idk

i know you can remove certain lods, to only display higher ones

[gentle haven]

i think it should be possible

[late vine]

So i did more testing with SMT ON and OFF, and at aleast on my 5800x3D, I get 2-3% less performance with it off. The GPU usage also stays the same.

[gentle haven]

hmmm, alright

[agile zenith]

interesting, but that might also be run varience

[late vine]

Auto seems to set it to On

[late vine]

I ran the in game benchmark 6-7 times

[agile zenith]

also i do get about 60% usage on 5800x3d with nova traffic installed, as compared to off being ~40%

[late vine]

Do you also sometimes get lower gpu usage?

[agile zenith]

maybe some mods are to script heavy, or something

[late vine]

Mine is rarely above 95%

sometimes drops as low as 80-85 but on average it is always 90-95% usage. Feels like leaving fps on the tabl;e

[agile zenith]

it usually happens when i run out of vram, the gpu just sh*ts the bed and stays at ~200 watts instead of ~400

[gentle haven]

my gpu is constantly at 77%

but that might be related to the 13 out of 12 problem

[agile zenith]

i have found a cool way to unload vram though, there is a mod that allows you to unstream the whole world

[late vine]

Nah I have triple checked at this point, my VRAM is never above 19-20 GB

[gentle haven]

Does that still look better then vanilla?

[agile zenith]

might be a reporting issue

special K hooks into the right dll's i have been told

[gentle haven]

wait, you use special k for cyberpunk?

[agile zenith]

no i use hwinfo

[gentle haven]

ah

[late vine]

I think I really might be CPU bound, considering how 7800x3D gives 10-15% better performance even at 4k maxed out Path Tracing with a 4090.

5800x3D might be too weak for the GPU to shine

[agile zenith]

i am in the same boat as you, i dont think upgrading the cpu makes sense if you play at 4k with these quality settings, watched some benchmarks on 4k yesterday, because i was wondering this too, and even without being severely GPU limited in those games, the performance difference was below 10%

they didnt bench cyberpunk though

but like 15 other games

[late vine]

Yeah I know, which is why I didn't go from 5800x3D to 7800x3D, at 4k, the difference is simply way too small to justify that purchase. It is only in simulators where the difference is really big

and Cyberpunk too I guess

[agile zenith]

https://youtu.be/ZE5Xqvq1WwI?si=2PkZNF03aievsnzN

[late vine]

At 4k Ultra settings, 7800x3D is only around 5-10% faster on average

[gentle haven]

you can always lower crowd density

[late vine]

Hell nah

I am maxing everything out no compromises

[gentle haven]

me too, my vram is just dying because of it

[late vine]

Yeah, 5% faster on average, 8-9% better 1% lows

Heavy ray tracing hits the cpu hard so Cyberpunk is an exception where it is more like 15%

plus all these LOD and texture mods also hit the CPU

[agile zenith]

you sure raytracing hits the cpu hard?

[late vine]

Absolutely

[agile zenith]

kk

[late vine]

Googled to double check and yeah, the whole BVH structure is built on the CPU

[gentle haven]

PT also hits vram hard

[agile zenith]

idk what bvh is but ill take your word for it

[late vine]

processing objects and geometry in the reflections and stuff like that also done in the CPU from what I know

shadows and lighting quality also hits the cpu

[late vine]

It means "Bounding volume hierarchy"

[gritty geode]

yep

[late vine]

From my understanding it is basically a data structure which allows the engine to check quickly what objects a ray hits.

nexus is back

[gentle haven]

YAYA

[gritty geode]

I think they broke the streamer budget calculation. the streamer on the CPU is normally responsible for deciding what LODs can fit into the vram streamer "cache" (although it's not really a buffer or a cache). I don't think it's working, which is why it keeps trying to cram in more stuff than will fit

[late vine]

@gritty geode What does ForceAutoHideDistanceMax do? I set it back to the vanilla 16384.0 value but nothing changed?

[gritty geode]

the vram streamer memory is also where transforms happen... textures and meshes get resized... it's possible textures aren't being compressed properly, or something else is going on. either way, it should never go over its vram allocation

[gritty geode]

I think it stops streaming things past that distance

[gentle haven]

wait, can it allocate shared vram?

[agile zenith]

hwinfo reported 80MB ram free yesterday lol

[gritty geode]

what do you mean shared vram?

[agile zenith]

i think he is confused with pagefile

[late vine]

Nexus servers are COOKED

[agile zenith]

o wait integrated gpu's have shared vram 😄

[late vine]

takes a year to load a page

[gentle haven]

shared gpu memory

[agile zenith]

go home windows you are drunk

[gentle haven]

wut?

[agile zenith]

idk what that is supposed to mean honestly, maybe bios related

[late vine]

Just to confirm, do rain mods not interact with wind like vanilla?

[gentle haven]

shared gpu memory is ram that can be used as vram

But it is a bunch slower

this is possible due to having an igpu

aswell as a dgpu

[agile zenith]

i remember the days of modding skyrim to breaking point

[gritty geode]

I don't count shared GPU memory as vram... it's just CPU memory. anything in it still has to stream across PCIe

[agile zenith]

using ddr memory as an extention of vram lol

[gentle haven]

true, but cyberpunk does seem to use it as vram

[gritty geode]

the problem with anything in shared vram is it competes with everything the game knows it's streaming across PCIe

[agile zenith]

ill check it out see what mine does

[gritty geode]

it will, it will just be very slow and create a constant overhead

it's not vram

as far as the streamer memory... it has to be physically GPU memory, because everything prepared in the streamer is then uploaded to the GPU scene. it doesn't work well if some is in CPU memory and some is in GPU memory

(it doesn't matter what you call shared GPU vram, it's still CPU memory)

[gentle haven]

true, but that is what keeps happening with me

i will see what happens if i turn off the igpu

nope nvm

i will disable just the sysmem

because i force all other programs onto the igpu so i can have them open without affecting performance

[gritty geode]

yes idk, all the feedback I've seen in posts, has led me to the advice... if you have less than 16GB, then textures to Medium :/

I haven't been able to find another solution

[late vine]

Damn the central park is so GORGEOUS with PTNext

at night with light rain

Absolute resource hog though, GPU power consumption never dropped below 420 watts

self shadowing is crazyyy

[gritty geode]

wow haha

I can't wait for that to kill my PC 😂

[late vine]

The fps right outside the park, looking at the city center instead of the park, I get 80 fps

as soon as you enter the park it is 60

If you add Sousine rain mod with heavy rain it drops to 55 haha

but it looks so good

[agile zenith]

i have 40GB of vram

the park isnt even the hardest hitting spot for me anymore, infront of heavy hearts kills my setup more

this is at wonk resolution with dlss quality, 3840x1391 (and then dlss quality)

still strugling lol

[late vine]

Wait that is not 4k

It has around the same amount of pixels as 1440p ultrawide

[gritty geode]

yep, I think most of that is vegetation LOD too. the park is a lot faster without it 😂

[late vine]

no wonder you hate dlss below quality 😭

[late vine]

Oh yeah I have the vegetation lod at extreme plus a separate 4k trees and vegetation textures mod on top of 3-4 other texture mods (some of them also affecting vegetation)

I basically used your recommended mods list on nexus as a checklist rather than a recommendation

[gritty geode]

haha same

[agile zenith]

no dude i have a 4k tv, i just created a custom anamorphic resolution

but still nightmare fueled people at 15 meter distance, i wish i could run nvlods, but half of the map just disapears when i run that

[late vine]

oh okay

But at that custom res, DLSS Quality has around the same internal resolution as 4k DLSS Performance

well, 4% higher than 4k DLSS Perf but pretty much the same

[agile zenith]

4k dlss = 1440p

i already cut it down and then put dlss on top

[minor smelt]

Quality

[agile zenith]

its like 75 % or so idk

[agile zenith]

preem quality

or nova

[late vine]

so you set the resolution to 3840x1391

And use dlss on top

right?

[late vine]

this has only 4% more pixels than 1440p ultrawide

using DLSS Quality, will give you an internal resolution of 2560x940

[agile zenith]

right thats what i did

[late vine]

which has around 4% higher “real” pixel amount than DLSS Performance at full 4k (3840x2160). In this case, I agree with you that DLSS Quality would be the minimum I would go

Names “quality” and “performance” mean nothing, it is all about internal resolution

[agile zenith]

i want dlss quality at 2160 too

i dont notice the faces going wonk, there is no rolling window lights etc

[late vine]

No I understand, I just mean that your custom resolution with DLSS Quality is going to look around the same as 4k DLSS Performance

maybe slightly worse even because it is upscaling to a lower resolution

[agile zenith]

its basically the same

[late vine]

Yeah

Pretty much

[agile zenith]

no i meant 4k quality or that anamorphic + quality

😄

[late vine]

And you get same fps with both?

[agile zenith]

all i did was cut parts of my screen off

idk about fps tbh, but lower internal rendering saves some vram

its just that about 40% of my screen is just not rendered, and the edges get stretched a bit

[late vine]

yes it looks the same because in cyberpunk, at least from my experience with DLSS 3.7 Preset E, DLSS Quality looks maybe 10% better than performance

at 3840x2160

[agile zenith]

i looked at all the things i need to do to run a different profile, but 2 much work for me 😄

[late vine]

No no it is easy

Preset D is shit

do this:

Download dlss tweaks

open it

set global preset to E

[agile zenith]

can you just post your file here?

[late vine]

Save

[agile zenith]

so i can use it?

[late vine]

I don’t set it from profile

Just download it and set global preset

that is it

it will apply it to every game

It is 4 clicks

[agile zenith]

so it doesnt need hacked verification files, and hook into your exe or something?

i mean that is kinda what is putting me off

and all the post of people who fail to do it

[late vine]

only if you want to customize it more in deprh

but if you just wanna set a preset

you can do it globally

[agile zenith]

tnx but i forsee to many issues with it for my setup (photomode reshade etc)

its already hard enough as is to trouble shoot certian things 🙂

gonna try playing with resizable bar disabled, see if that somehow makes things a bit smoother

[agile zenith]

do you happen to know what to remove from which file (lua /json/ ini) to stop U+ applying Ray Reconstruction when selecting a different pathtracing method? I kinda want to test some things while running DLAA, but the game crashes to desktop when i swap with DLAA enabled

[late vine]

No clue but it should be in the init.lua

[gentle haven]

Hoonter said that going in and out of cameras disables SD

It does

But i doesn't seem to turn on again

[late vine]

wdym

Does it say it enables then doesn’t?

or just doesn’t say or do anything

for me it says “PTNext detected. Enabling SD”

and from my experience it seems to correctly enable it

[gentle haven]

Mine doesn't say it enables

[gentle haven]

Mine does not

[late vine]

Hmm

no idea tbh

[gritty geode]

hey, do you mean photo mode, or CCTV cameras?

I'm just adding CCTV detection so it can ignore that

[gentle haven]

Cctv

[gentle haven]

how's it going ya'll?

[late vine]

been busy with work

it kinda went silent in here lmao

[gentle haven]

Yep

[gentle haven]

btw i am currently using medium textures + all ultra plus mods with 4k versions + unchained main + chained characters and it looks and runs better then vanilla high

[late vine]

Vanilla textures are pretty bad tbh

so any good texture mod on medium texture quality is going to look better

I browse the game’s subreddit quite often and almost every screenshot gives me a jumpscare and I realize 99% of people play without Path Tracing

It lowkey looks like a 10 year old game without RT

Low quality textures, insanely annoying and distracting pop in, and the rasterized graphics look almost a decade old

Once you experience Path Tracing, it is so hard to go back. You are constantly distracted by inconsistent raster graphics

[gentle haven]

True

I can't believe i played without pt once

[shadow acorn]

How stable is version 4.x these days? I've been on 3.5.3

Sorry i have not read all the history here. Too much to go through 😛

[late vine]

Lowkey haven't had a single issue in the past 3 days

PTNext playing on High/Insane

I would switch

[late vine]

My first playthrough was with Psycho RT at 1440p on a low end monitor, getting 40 fps

Going from Psycho RT to Path Tracing made it feel like a whole different experience.

1440p to 4k was another big jump

SDR on a $200 monitor to HDR on $1200 monitor was another massive jump

40 fps to 90 fps was another one

All of them combined felt insane at the time lmao

[shadow acorn]

I will thank you!

[gritty geode]

works been a little crazy 😊

[gritty geode]

maybe this is why people keep asking for a raster version of the mod... pop-ins?

[gritty geode]

is photo mode working for you?

[gentle haven]

Mine was no rt

Mine was xbox

[late vine]

Yeah works fine

[gentle haven]

I think photomode work fine too

[late vine]

although I use photomode maybe once every 6-7 hours of playtime

so

by the way I just realized, why is GI Boiling filter disabled for PTNext but not for others?

if it is to save some fps but enabling it will provide better quality (it mentions something about reducing bias), should I enable it?

[gentle haven]

I have to ask, what work do you do sammi?

[gritty geode]

boiling filter should be as low as possible... basically if you don't see boiling noise, it should be disabled

are you seeing boiling?

[gritty geode]

I design software and neural networks

what about you guys?

[late vine]

Yeah, on elevator doors mainly but nothing distracting

is there a benefit to disabling it?

if it doesn’t bother me

[late vine]

Mechanical engineer, currently working and doing my masters in aerospace on the side

[gritty geode]

nope

only that if there is no boiling and it's enabled, it will create boiling 😊

[late vine]

oh that is weird lmao

[gentle haven]

Interesting

[gentle haven]

Still in school

[gritty geode]

nice

[gritty geode]

yay. how do you find it?

[late vine]

@gritty geode what do ShadowOptimizations do?

[gentle haven]

Meh, sometimes it's fun sometimes it is not

[late vine]

@gritty geode I think I jinxed it by saying I didn’t see any issues

The shadow burn in bug is back

And there is this issue with PTNext where the lights start aggressively flickering when there are too many light sources

The setting for Lightslotcount doesn’t seem to go past 512 which I think is the issue

this is a ReGIR issue only it seems

oh and a lot of lights stop casting proper light when out of screen space, also PTNext only

It was so obvious in Heavy Hearts club when you meet a certain fixer

unless you placed yourself in the room in a way that both his face and the lights are on the screen, his face becomes barely illuminated

and there is very heavy boiling/flickering effect on his face

kinda kills the purpose of Path Tracing if lights are going to stop casting light once off-screen or if there are too many lights at once

Heavy Hearts seems to suffer the most because of how many lights there are. I haven’t tested other bars/clubs but it could also be an issue in there

[broken hornet]

what are you referring to when you say “unchained + chained characters” ?

[gentle haven]

The unchained texture mod has two packs

Chained is the 2x version

Unchained is 4x res

The different packs contain different textures

So i use 2x res for characters and 4x for all other textures

[broken hornet]

heard, is this not on the nexus? it’s not coming up in search

[gentle haven]

He typed it wrong

https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/12854?tab=files

This one

[broken hornet]

lmao. thanks!

[gritty geode]

I don't think they do anything for path tracing 🤔

[gritty geode]

do you know what you want to be when you grow up yet? I still don't 🤔

this is my company btw https://licorice.ai

[broken hornet]

amen

[gentle haven]

Something in IT

That i atleast know

[gritty geode]

lol wtf

[gritty geode]

nice

same! 😊

something something nerd all day, and work with nerds 😊❤️

[gentle haven]

Don't understand swearing, sexy is because of characters i guess

[gentle haven]

https://tenor.com/view/summer-break-gif-6269967204638541467

[gritty geode]

you're hired 😂