▫️Cyberpunk 2077 Ultra+ 2.13 Patch Patch Patch Patch

[gritty geode]

well that means we can increase the samples from 24 to 32, which will make a difference in lower light

excellent

[hybrid violet]

I’m highly curious on the ForcedLOD and Clip Radius changes

Like their impact

Namely clip radius isn’t that like the clip distance for light

[gritty geode]

oh!

yeah, you saw that

i'm wondering if that forced lod is what's been causing everyone's problems

[jade ridge]

https://streamable.com/fi6zry

[gritty geode]

and clipradius could be -1.0 meaning "leave as default" ... but if it's "subtract 1 [unit?]" from everything, that will cause streaming/culling problems

[hybrid violet]

At least with emissive LOD

-1 was like no LOD

And 0 dropped emissive count and higher levels further dropped the emissive count up to 5

[gritty geode]

hmm think that might be GlobalLight

[hybrid violet]

Clip radius might need some testing

[gritty geode]

Cye that's so fast it makes me want to puke 😂

[gritty geode]

yes, but they're all difference

emissive lod -1 = "use whatever the streamer says"

[jade ridge]

I got tired of pausing the game to catch up to vehicles when testing Nova Traffic stuff... so... ZOOM

[hybrid violet]

Gotta find that first person option imo

[gritty geode]

it's not like i just ate a whole lot of chocolate either 🙄

yes ideally

[jade ridge]

It says default off but seemed to be on by default.

Should I switch back?

[gritty geode]

out of curiosity Cye are you using a body mesh mod?

[jade ridge]

No

[gritty geode]

ok

i think some of those tooltips are wrong

[hybrid violet]

HideFPPAvatar

[jade ridge]

With all clothes off, I can just see stationary foot shadows.

[hybrid violet]

Which commit is this btw @jade ridge

[gritty geode]

my latest

[gritty geode]

hmm are you using sosuine's clothes shadow mod?

good test

[hybrid violet]

It’s not the clip radius setting or LOD settings ? The shadows never looked like that to me

Has been duplicated but like not cooked

[gritty geode]

it might be, other than someon in Posts also mentioned this with the github build

it might be that sosuine's clothes shadow mod shouldn't be used in PT?

i don't think sousine runs PT

[jade ridge]

Does U+ affect photo mode?

[gritty geode]

the mod says it's for RT

photo mode should now use ptnext as well i think?

haven't tested 😂

Cye disable this? ZClothingShadowsFix.archive

[jade ridge]

Photo mode looks great. Note sure if I'm just wanting it to be better though. 😅

[jade ridge]

Is that included?

I don't use that, if it's another mod.

[hybrid violet]

Is this on Insane?

[jade ridge]

Yep!

[gritty geode]

well my CP is significantly slower 😂

[gritty geode]

no it's sosuine's clothing fix mod

actually i wonder if it might actually help

[jade ridge]

I see a horizon burnt in image and a t posing V. 😄

https://streamable.com/gxz73j

Make my game brighter than it should be.

Where you see the horizon line image is similar to what it should be.

[hybrid violet]

That’s funny as hell

[jade ridge]

Yeah 😕

[hybrid violet]

I think we disable Global Light for now

I’ll figure it out one day

[jade ridge]

But man this game runs SO smooth now.

[hybrid violet]

Do some stress testing

[jade ridge]

I think it happened when quick reloading.

It has a persistent image of the immediate scene in front of me.

[hybrid violet]

I’ve noticed that as well, kinda self heals after enough movement

[jade ridge]

That's why i was running around but it didn't help. 😅

Changing time of day did. It's only showing from 10-2.

[hybrid violet]

Odd

I’d remove Global Light, also @gritty geode we might need to test the LOD and clip changes before sending them into a build

[jade ridge]

Disabling global light didn't seem to resolve it. Do I need to reload the game or just the save?

[gritty geode]

GlobalLight

[jade ridge]

Already disabled it.

[gritty geode]

i'm disabling it

[jade ridge]

https://tenor.com/bavBh.gif

Disabling ReGIR GI fixed it. 😅

Oh, enabling it but toggling DI (off and on again) fixed it, too. Tested a few times, just a quick off-on, even during save load, will avoid the persistent image.

[gritty geode]

i think it's editor/rtxdi/EnableGlobalLight that's causing it @jade ridge

[jade ridge]

But I said I already toggled it off. It still occurred.

[gritty geode]

i'm just testing

oh

[jade ridge]

That's why I made the invisible meme. 😛

Oh, global light is still an issue in mid day, though! Yeah, turn that off. Fixed my overly bright game. The persistent image is fixed with the DI toggle.

[gritty geode]

@hybrid violet we could toggle off regirDI outdoors

[hybrid violet]

Is this still happening atm?

I noticed your separate denoising is off

If the cycle of DI is working that should be on as part of it

We should already be doing off on

[jade ridge]

Every time I get the persistent image, toggling DI off on fixes it.

[hybrid violet]

Does it reappear during gameplay without reloading?

[gritty geode]

i can't repro it

but i'm using sosuine's mod

@hybrid violet maybe we extend the DI toggle to 1 second

[jade ridge]

I don't play enough to really test that but I'll let you know if I come across the issue.

I spend my time reloading saves. 😅 So that's why I'll really notice.

[hybrid violet]

Prob for the best

[hybrid violet]

Ty I’ll be testing more tonight breaking down shit to try and really see what can be done

When you disabled GlobalLight btw did you do it in set mode

Or in common fixes or your ini

[jade ridge]

I did it in the debug tab. Was the not the right way?

[gritty geode]

ty 😊

[jade ridge]

I still don't understand how the game can look this good with this frame rate. 😐

[gritty geode]

i've done it to 1.5 seconds for the moment

[gritty geode]

in the mod itself. hang on i'll push my current changes

done

• reverted ForceLOD and ClipRadius
• reverted GlobalLight
• disabled probabilistic for ReGIR (not used, costs time)
• reduced lights count batch size to 16 as a test (please let me know if you see flickering)
• small consistency *fixes

[gritty geode]

https://tenor.com/bVXiI.gif

[gritty geode]

no that's right 😊. i've just killed it anyway

but I might have missed something I'm super tired 😂

idk why I'm getting such crap fps now

@hybrid violet idk how these keep getting enabled/disabled. it appears to be the engine doing it??

[hybrid violet]

Which ones?

The separate denoising?

We should trigger the DI fix flag to false whenever we change samples or quality

I’ll be spending the night basically starting with everything off and going for an additive approach, vs the add/subtract approach atm

To a degree of course but doing it section by section in batches

[gritty geode]

all of these

they're disabled by commonfixes, but somehow becoming enabled?

[gritty geode]

yay floats now work in debug 😊

@hybrid violet none of the floats were setting correctly in SetOption! they're now fixed in beta05 as well

[hybrid violet]

Ayyyyyy Ty

That’s gonna help a lot

Will be loading way more vars in there

[gritty geode]

yes!

sorry i just pushed beta06, more bugs

• moved sharc to samples ... to better balance quality/samples
• fixed old 'BALANCED' variable (changed) 'MEDIUM'
• fixed flickering lights from lowering light count to 16
• several other small but important fixes

[hybrid violet]

Things i need to test first is
enableimportancesampling
enablefixed

[gritty geode]

yep. those two are really important

iirc, BabaBooey insisted importanced sampling should be disabled, but a) i couldn't see any difference, and b) it seemed slower without it (PT20)

i did test it pretty extensively but another opinoin would be good because i didn't agree with BB's reasoning

[hybrid violet]

What was the reasoning by chance ?

[gritty geode]

um, lemme check

[gritty geode]

sorry I got sidetracked 😂

[minor smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/you-know-what-buddy-guess-what-youre-fired-anchorman-gif-16084270

[gritty geode]

but... you don't pay me anything 😂

[gritty geode]

found it. he just said leaving IS enabled removes some diffuse LL is lost

looking at the images he compares though idk that that's true.

because the forced local light radius is different in both, so I don't think they're comparable

my argument was you can't "turn off" IS in PT... the IS setting must only be controlling whether some things are IS'd, not all of them

[hybrid violet]

its also too compressed

cant see what the source diff is

I think at least for us IS is irrelevant with ReGIR

ReGIR is importance sampling basically

no IS no ReGIR no PT

also I think you were right on ReferenceSER

confirming now

[gritty geode]

(if you're on mobile discord disable data saving mode)

[hybrid violet]

on PC

[gritty geode]

yes that was why I disagreed

I just see a difference in forced local light

[gritty geode]

oh wdym?

[hybrid violet]

small perf gain

was too hasty in deciding

but I need to test a full game reload

considering if it is SER than thats Shader Execution Reordering so prob need to recompile me shaders

also

I figured out Global Light

so if you disable Shadow Cascades, you get the following Off vs On

it seems there was an attempt at maybe some alternate means of implementing a Global Shadow

but they leverage the code behind Shadow Cascades I think

SetOption("Developer/FeatureToggles", "CascadeShadows", false)

with this PT breaks apart

in this case I think Global Light is best left off

it was an idea

[gritty geode]

ohhh

okay. and Dev/cascade shadows should be true?

[hybrid violet]

yeah it seems Shadow Rays come from that

or something

its required for some reason

[gritty geode]

I'm not planning to do any updates btw, you're safe to make changes. I need to take a break 😂

[hybrid violet]

I'm fishing around for any alternate means

all g, going to experiment and break a bit

[gritty geode]

I'll still be here I just need to get some work done tomorrow 😂

[gritty geode]

I assumed it brought shadows into RT multilayer

also Krush just pointed out PT21 is faster than PTNext... which isn't really true but I think PTNext Insane is higher quality than PT21 insane

[hybrid violet]

for sure

[gritty geode]

alright let's kneecap PT21 insane 😂

[hybrid violet]

alright after protracted testing confirmed broke

Cascades required

no Global Light, done

[gritty geode]

nice 😊

oh do you have the latest version? did you see floats werent working before?

[hybrid violet]

yeah floats are working now ty

so many new options

I'm just doing some brute force testing here before moving to the build, to see if anything radical can occur

SetOption("RayTracing", "EnableGlobalShadow", true)

is a major option that should stay on

gonna assume by extension EnableLocalShadow should also be kept on

oh?

small spatial sampling radius is more expensive?

or moreso

64 is performant

64 is just strangely a little more performant

no other values is

hmmm or is it deviating thats expensive?

cause of like the compiled shader

[real ravine]

imo this looks kinda bad on, that's not how shadows should look like especially under a clear sky. off is more accurate

[hybrid violet]

yeah but the shadows are gone, like not there proper

leading to say, pop in as you drive and the close boundary shadows fade in

they're ray cast from the sun, so in essence even if the darkness level aint right their existence is proper

[real ravine]

this seems like a proper shadow

this is still of on the top right corner

this being on

[hybrid violet]

On vs Off

basically my understanding is this setting replaces Shadow Cascades

which loose detail

On vs Off

though

it does seem to alter the entire shadow map

smoking gun

it replaces shadow cascades with RT shadow rays

way better quality shadows too

thats super hackish tho, Cascades -> Replace with RT Shadow Rays -> Reuse for RTXDI?

disable Cascades the game insta crashes if Global Shadow is already on

Global Light seems to be RTXDI's primary ray/shadow cast, but it either overlayed onto Cascades/Global Shadow or isnt proper implemented into the pipeline

oh hol up

cascades removed?

doesnt look right tho

yeah shame still broke, its shadows are just not properly integrated into the pipeline

alright moving on

[real ravine]

way better with cascade off, picking the least broken thing. but it still looks too sharp

[hybrid violet]

I honestly think both arent it, but the global light one is proper broke. under cars for example

a spot that should be heavily shadowed is like a half fade cooked shadow

they just abandoned it sadly and went this weird path

didnt show it but wasnt worth showing

cooked

[shadow heath]

PT doesn't use ray traced shadows by default?

[hybrid violet]

it does, this was more just testing the options

seeing what PT uses

and seeing what alternatives there are

shadow wise, none as above

[minor smelt]

That's why I think you deserve a 23% raise 😱😱😱

[hybrid violet]

okay performance on the newest build is good

got some minor tweaks but tis good

also I think shadow angle of 0.3/0.25 may be better suited, 0.15 is super sharp, but it kinda negates the natural falloff of shadows

0.5 is a bit nuked I agree

[hybrid violet]

challenge, find the diff between these 4

or these 6

both are highest to lowest if it helps

for the second set, by the 3rd screen I think diminishing returns hits hard

but even 1 (bottom right) is like, an image

highest vs lowest

vs ReGIR Disabled

vs PT 2.1

PT 2.1 Insane

ReGIR 4 shade count

ReGIR 16 shade count

ReGIR 32 shade count (Insane)

[hybrid violet]

@gritty geode https://github.com/sammilucia/cyberpunk-ultra-plus/pull/12

I think we’ve hit the diminishing returns on ReGIR in terms of surrounding things interacting with it

Only thing I recommend is renaming its quality levels to have the quality levels for ReGIR be

Fast: 4 (or 2 but prob 4). Medium: 8 samples, High: 16 samples. Extreme: 22 samples, Insane: 32 samples

That naming is basically cause Medium for it is fairly high quality in itself and then 16 is 80% of 32, then 22 is like 90-95% of Insane

Emphasise the diminishing returns

Also I agree 2.1 is overtuned for performance at the higher tiers. Needs to crank it up

[gritty geode]

sometimes they will use an assembly language bit function for certain numbers as an optimisation... usually 50%, 200%, and base2 numbers (if it's going to be anything)

[gritty geode]

also possible if a shader compile isn't refrigerant correctly

[gritty geode]

on looks more correct in this context (3pm in the day?)

[gritty geode]

yes, shadows are missing on the sign without it

normally

• global shadows = cast by sun on static objects
• cascade shadows = cast by sun on moving objects
• local shadows = cast by local lights on static objects
• capsule shadows = cast by moving lights on moving objects
  (idk if there's any CP equivalent for capsule)

[gritty geode]

yes, which aren't necessarily better or worse. usually the question is which is faster

[gritty geode]

what I remember is raytracing/cascade is disabled by default even if you have RT sun shadows enabled (i.e. RT sun shadows are deliberately disabled by CDPR... likely for a reason)

(cascade being, moving sun, moving NPC)

[gritty geode]

sun shadows sharpness can be controlled with Sun...something...something 🤔 ... the games default is 0.5 which is really blurry, I set it to 0.15... RTXDIY sets it to 0.18.... (idk if there's a perfect setting)

[gritty geode]

not on some things like cars, vegetation and characters, and some other random objects (vending machines?) - because they're not actually in the PT woeldspace. they're kind of hacked in there

[gritty geode]

I wonder if changing SunDiffuse from 10.0 helps? ... I think the problem is it's too sharp up close, then gets diffused too quickly

makes it feel like the sun is close to the earth 😜

[shadow heath]

damn that's sad, mostly with the characters

[gritty geode]

yes... perhaps they needed to do it to keep the other modes working. but it would have been ideal to do it properly

it would have saved them a lot of time with all this mess (that were also spending time on)

[gritty geode]

I agree but I think we just drop fast... realistically for the quality at 4 samples, it's not playable

@hybrid violet we're also going to need to lower Phi... sixty9 has reported sparkling ground in RR, and that DLAA and NRD are broken... Phi is too high 😊

[jade ridge]

I'm still getting that persistent image and strange shadow. 😦

Oh, enabling global shadow fixes the static player shadow. 🙂

Probably should keep that enabled. (Edit: sorry -- I see you've already been chatting about that)

https://streamable.com/1yw4w4

[gritty geode]

are yoou running Fire's PR?

[gritty geode]

thank goodness!

[jade ridge]

No, just the latest release.

[gritty geode]

lmao 😄

okay

i'll merge the changes after work. there's so much to be done 😭 lmao

[gritty geode]

@hybrid violet there's also this, who knows if it does anything though
[RayTracing/Collector]
EnableGlobalShadowCulling = true

so wait, are you saying raytracing/debug/GlobalShadow = false is breaking shadows? or raytracing/EnableGlobalShadow = false is ?
because the first one is 'false' in CP's boot settings ... (but that doesnt' mean it doesn't change it after boot)

[hybrid violet]

Latter

[hybrid violet]

Shame. Maybe turn on material tests again

I think we can try 1 1

[gritty geode]

as far I can see, materialtest doesn't actually disable

[hybrid violet]

true

[hybrid violet]

updated with some final tuning and unification

ideally now Medium on 16 samples is a highly playable option

and also ensured Vanilla is overwriting all settings changed in other places to vanilla values

is CommonFixes loading properly?

UpdateUseHalfFloat

hmmm seems it is in some regards

also this is a bit difficult to see

its highly possible the game overrides all our denoiser settings during load

and that we'd need to apply them post load

[gritty geode]

yes it's weirdly inconsistent

CP changes a bunch of settings as it goes into the main menu, but i think onInit is called just before that

[gritty geode]

why is that so narrow on yours?

[hybrid violet]

not sure, was the recent change on my end

I've moved denoising into its own .ini so we can experiment with loading it different

[hybrid violet]

alright should be final

[gritty geode]

good call. okay, hopefully finishing work in 20 minutes 😭

[gritty geode]

yay i'm done

[gritty geode]

@hybrid violet i've pushed a new version with your PR, and implemented the VRAM GPU ini in there as well

it's been working really well

as a general rule, i think it's best to reload a game after changing modes

i'm finding this quite fascinating ...

1. PT20 ... 2. PT21 ... 3. PTNext

these are all at "Medium" 1440p balanced with FSR3 FG on my 2060S / 3070 Ti laptop

one thing i find myself wondering ... is there really much point in having a separate quality / samples ? or should we just combine them into one?

[hybrid violet]

I think for ReGIR no, for the other two to a degree yes

2 ray vs 4 ray for 2.0 would be a major diff

but ReGIR should just hide the samples line

[gritty geode]

Fire we HAVE to get NRD stable

it is SO much sharper and so much nicer, AND several fps faster with PTNext

[gritty geode]

yes. and on low cards, 1 bounce vs 2 can be a major difference. but i'm thinking if we can combine them we can maybe balance this and get the best settings for each

NRD PTNext Medium (with some adjusted denoiser settings)

also i fixed the false / true in commonfixes / denoiser not working

[hybrid violet]

does NRD work with Ray Reconstruction?

[hybrid violet]

oh?

[gritty geode]

no .. it's instead of

yeah, it was reading all the bools as strings from the inis and not applying. i just changed SetOption() to cope with that

[hybrid violet]

oh nice

[hybrid violet]

hmmm we should do some comparison shots I think

the big things that they proposed as benefits to RR

1. Motion, the big example of the car driving down a street

and its headlights/shadows from the front

2. fine shadows, along crates and paper and such

3. resolution/detail due to upscaled denoised images

4. performance

so if we can tackle I think 1 2 and 4

3 is what it is

[gritty geode]

there are already a bunch of people who prefer to play on NRD, and AMD users can only use NRD

it does have some weaknesses versus RR, but RR also has some weaknesses (fairly average AI training) ... my opinion just playing with NRD is.... wow, i wont' be going back if it's always this good

previously i played on PT20 using NRD. it's just better in most circumstances

[hybrid violet]

is NRD using ReLAX?

I assume so

[gritty geode]

yes i think

[hybrid violet]

considering ReBLUR is an option in the code

we should def confirm that

[gritty geode]

finding some comparison shots

it's also very much personal preference

i would say neither are perfect

here's one good example. RR ... for some reason the ground reflection of the glass door is incorrect

skin also has a plastic look

RR (left) vs NRD (right)

(this is PT21)

oh excuse me! this is PT21 vs PT20

never mind

RR (left) NRD (right)

RR (left) NRD (right)

[hybrid violet]

is this just the RR toggle wait or 2.0 vs 2.1?

[gritty geode]

not a lot of comparison shots, but maybe you can see what i mean about a "plasticy" look from the AI training

no these are only NRD vs RR toggled

no change at all to the mode

[hybrid violet]

might need to adjust some settings

its like dancing for me atm

NRD

[gritty geode]

yes. i just commented out the Phi settings for NRD. my feeling is CDPR spent quite a bit of time tuning all of ReLAX for NRD... but didn't change anything when RR was implemented

[gritty geode]

it's not enabled properly ... reload

[hybrid violet]

okay phi luminance is an issue yes

I also wonder if Fast Accumulated is too low

adjusted everything back to CDPR defaults to confirm this wasnt my end

HMMM these settings are affecting FPS in RR?

hmm nvm

just weird perf differences on reload

[gritty geode]

i should have a patch to differentiate between nrd and rr denoiser settings in a bit

i think NRD requires RTXDI separate disabled

yes ... separate disabled, then reload

[hybrid violet]

whats interesting is the disocclusion is shared

so its just the base image thats the issue

but RR seems to handle it better at the least

[hybrid violet]

I think btw you should make samples just Spatial Samples

And have quality handle everything else

[gritty geode]

i've pushed beta07 ... i used half of your settings and half of CDPRs for NRD

but i think you're much better at tuning than i am 😂

[hybrid violet]

I think that’s a good call, the high Phi was proper broke

[hybrid violet]

Also you made Ultra+ so 😛

[gritty geode]

also for the first time SS translucency is working with NRD

not sure about NRD (reference) rejitter

[gritty geode]

or maybe samples and sharc?

it very nearly is

[gritty geode]

now I can't get NRD working again lol

[gritty geode]

https://github.com/sammilucia/cyberpunk-ultra-plus
beta08

• combined samples and quality into one setting
• increased PT21 insane quality
• combined streaming boost into vram
• UI tidy-up
• updated Debug descriptions (still more to do)
• added sun shadow / diffuse controls to Debug tab
• adjusted NRD settings more (still playing)
• for PTNext set RTXDI history, rays, bounces all to 0 in case they're allocating memory (attempt to skip code paths)
• removed config.ini, user-ini, turboBoost code

[hybrid violet]

hmmm for RTXDI History I confirmed a visual difference in the pre-denoised image

I would personally keep it at 4-6. also we would still need a ray theoretically for screen space PT elements

[gritty geode]

okay 😊

[gritty geode]

oh yes. maybe that's why vegetation isn't rendering

[gentle haven]

How would one go about fixing that?

[gritty geode]

just add rays and bounces back 😊 revert some of the changes I made yesterday

[tall crypt]

probably more likely that Nvidia did a lot of the work

[real ravine]

otherwise it wouldn't be implemented without nvidia's support. im pretty sure it doesn't bring in enough money and it wouldn't influence future sales ( phantom liberty ) , its a pretty old title, everyone already owns a copy of the game. cdpr wouldn't just donate hours of paid work to nvidia just to promote what their latest gpus could do in a tech demo 🤷‍♂️

[minor smelt]

Well, could also be CDPR really cared about implementing PT after the long way they already came from the initial Cyberpunk 2077 launch. But this was of course made easier by Nvidia having their PT-SDK ready.

And lots of people were interested in the PT implementation (for example the DF video views), so I suspect it actually brought in money.

But well, we're both just speculating anyways, so... Haha

[vestal flint]

What is the minium indirect lighting preset for PTNext?

at 4K DLSS Perf.

I am also assuming there are settings changes between stock and PT2.1

I dont think PT2.1 from Ultra+ should be missing shadows

[shadow acorn]

oh wow just saw this thread lmfao

[minor smelt]

@gritty geode is to blame for this monstrocity.....

[shadow acorn]

When was this thread even made? I tried to scroll up and it just went on forever

and i was only on like the 2nd of april

lmfao

[minor smelt]

Sammi just went insane and kept blabbing on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on about something called Path Tracing..... Just a made-up term that doesn't even exist in reality in this realm. I vote we give here the literal boot, like one from Prada.

[minor smelt]

This is where the horror started: #1224890336833179749 message

But we had some collective suffering before that in #1186114072027074651

[gritty geode]

no, it's not supposed to be. @hybrid violet i think we need to revert most of the true/false cvar changes, they're causing some odd problems with meshes that aren't actually in the PT worldspace (mostly plants, but also some buildings, cars, people, etc.)

[gritty geode]

lol

it's all for the greater good 😂

[minor smelt]

That's what Hitler and Mussolini also said....

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-anxious-anxiety-afraid-scared-gif-7518135

[gritty geode]

path tracing IS ray tracing

https://tenor.com/view/it-crowd-memory-is-ram-oh-dear-laughing-mocking-gif-24959533

[vestal flint]

Also in dark lighting things are a lot less temporally stable

fine details do not resolve, ever

lots of aliasing

[vestal flint]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BioGwvJIr3o

4K DLSS Perf.

[minor smelt]

Both don't exist in the red universe.... stop babbling nonsense

[gritty geode]

what version are you running? ... are you running PTNext or PT21, you've mentioned both... is it RR or NRD? you'll need to be a lot more specific please

[vestal flint]

this verison

RR

and PT 2.1 versus Stock (2.1 without Ultra+)

[gritty geode]

i will get PT21 up to (and past) where stock is at but i haven't been working on it. to be honest there is no good reason to use vanilla PT21 or ultra+ PT21. PT20 and PTNext are superior

PT21 is broken in vanilla and isn't fixable (the smearing)

[vestal flint]

I was under the assumption of that too, but in the current Beta08 they aren't better

PT2.0 has missing shadows, as shown above

and the same blotchy, never resolving detail as the video above

[gritty geode]

do you have any other inis installed? because i'm not seeing these problems

also those shadows are really blurry... that's not the shadow settings of U+

[gritty geode]

is separate denoiser ticked?

[vestal flint]

Nothing else installed, just that mod. I load into game, select PT2.1, set indirect to Vanilla and reload save

I can reload it up now if needbe

[gritty geode]

it's okay, whenever, I think separate denoiser isn't being enabled automatically in beta08, which will break everything

[agile zenith]

Nvidia has huge marketing channels, for this reason + the manpower they provide implementing it is very attractive for devs. I think this is why Atomic Heart got on peoples radar, and then 2 days before launch do a bait and switch and remove ray/pathtracing from the game. Free PR no no human resources lost (exept for making a Ray Tracing demo)

[agile zenith]

one has more detail (objects) but wonky shading, and if i am not incorrect sunlight should produce hard shadows, where as the pic on the right has soft shadows which would be more common with artificial lighting. But a lot of the missing shadows cannot be explained by difference in LOD/ amount of objects rendered. That first pic looks a lot better though, eventhough its missing some objects

[shadow acorn]

Atomic heart was so fucking bad

I played like 1/3rd of it

Had to stop. It was so boring

[gentle haven]

I really liked it though

[shadow acorn]

I liked it at first. I thought it was cool. Then it got boring

The enemy design was god awful'

[minor smelt]

Wasn't two days before release; only their early demo videos showed extensive RT. Their later trailers closer to release didn't.

But you're right on everything else

[minor smelt]

Found it a bit too expensive for what it was so refunded it, but will surely buy it when it is much cheaper and more updates and DLC released. Bit of a sucker for its bad humor haha

[gritty geode]

yes there's something deeply wrong with those comparisons. I'm watching videos from Cyanide and Krush and not seeing those problems, but I'll go through and check everything soon. work is a little crazy at the moment I don't have much free time

[vestal flint]

Well "separate denoiser" isn't being enabled automatically, but manually enabling it doesn't do anything anyway

[gritty geode]

are you reloading a save after choosing your settings?

[gritty geode]

looking at it from a girl's perspective it looked like a porn cash grab aimed at guys 🤔

@vestal flint as Rem NL says, those aren't even raytraced shadows in the comparison screenshot. unfortunately i can't share the videos that have been shared with me (they're not mine to share), but it isn't enabling correctly for you... maybe stick with the release version until i have a chance to finish and release the beta

[agile zenith]

the way they annoyced it couldnt have been more than a few days before realease most gaming channels only put out this news like a day before realease

and on top of that they release DLC after DLC while not implementing the one feature that is the reason this game was on peoples radar in the first place 😄

[agile zenith]

it can still be raytraced

never said it wast:D

[minor smelt]

Can't blame the developers for gaming channels reporting on this late

[agile zenith]

lol yes you can and i 100% do

the amount of recources used to advertise this feature, BLEAKS in comparison as compared to the open and timely "onnouncement" that it wouldnt be in the game

eventhough they knew this years ago

2 dlc's no ray tracing

its an obvious choice

i am still pissed

scamfish

[minor smelt]

That is just bad behaviour by the studio

Well, mostly opinion territory here

[agile zenith]

to the best of my knowledge it was 3 days before release

[minor smelt]

But agree the developers didn't act in totally good faith

[agile zenith]

most articles came out very quickly after this news (2) days, which was 1 day before launch

obviously bait and switch, abusing marketing channels, their first response to this whole debacle ONLY came like 2 months ago, but ill end it here, take my bloodpressure pills and stop going offtopic 😄

trust us guys, just this 2nd dlc and then we stop lying

[gritty geode]

https://github.com/sammilucia/cyberpunk-ultra-plus

• implemented changing shadow settings/distances based on quality
• implemented changing Fresnel/skin/hair based on mode
• reverted NRD changes (NRD is unsupported in this release until i have time to fix it)
• fixed separate denoiser not enabling automatically

[shadow acorn]

It was definitely a chad game

[gritty geode]

haha

metallic women 🤔

[agile zenith]

tried the new beta quickly, and noticed that pt next disables ssr mixing, not sure if intended or not, i think it still looks better in most situations

[gritty geode]

it shouldn't... but it does save that setting now

it should be on by default 🤔

ty i'll check

okay just pushed a little fix. but it should save it now you've enabled it 😊

[agile zenith]

thats cool, also have you considered implementing some code to save window size of the tool?

[gritty geode]

I could do! on my screen it's exactly the right size, but it looks like it's different for everyone... what should I do, fix the size calculation or have it save the size?

[gentle haven]

My guess is it depends on resolution, Mine is also the correct size. What resolution are you running?

[vestal flint]

As of commit d8cdf3d

[gritty geode]

1440p 😊

[vestal flint]

4K @ DLSS Perf. RR enabled, Indirect Lighting @ Medium

All surface detail is lost

all specular highlights are lost

Also the dudes skin colour just changes from black to bronze

Issues with missing shadows presist

and aliasing as before

[gritty geode]

could you please download the main mod > go to the common fixes folder > unblock files > right click and run as administrator

(assuming you're on steam)

[vestal flint]

No I have the GOG version of the game, but revert back to 07 or prior to 4.0?

[gritty geode]

have you updated any of the DLSS files?

no it's just that I'm not seeing these issues from people who are sending me videos or screenshots

[vestal flint]

Are they testing with the mod v without the mod installed

[gritty geode]

yes, and different modes

[gentle haven]

hmm, in that case it probably causes issues with differing aspect ratios.

[gritty geode]

yes that's what I'm thinking 🤔 .. how annoying 😂

I'm sure I can fix the window size calculation knowing this now though

[vestal flint]

No, the game is entirely stock

they were never blocked to begin with

[agile zenith]

idk to be honest, for me saving the size is useful, since i play on 4k i have to epand it by like x3 or 4 every time i want to fiddle with it, but why not both? If possible 😄

[gritty geode]

https://tenor.com/view/jennifer-lawrence-ill-take-both-the-mocking-jay-the-hunger-games-hunger-games-gif-8303832

[gritty geode]

hmm idk... I'm not seeing these issues (not hearing about them in posts, which I usually do). I'm not saying they're not real issues... I won't have a chance to look into it until the weekend, thank you for your detective work though!

[agile zenith]

she looks super cute while blue

im experiencing some issues with ssr though, like they can flicker, and basically disapear completely depending on the angle

[gritty geode]

yes, I think JLaw is my girl crush lol

[agile zenith]

also the animations of npc's are delayed and or missing frames in the reflection

[gritty geode]

she reminds me of me... getting drunk and badly trying to pole dance sounds very familiar 😂

[gritty geode]

that's caused by EnablePriorityFeedback being disabled

but it shouldn't be disabled?

[agile zenith]

apperently the blend ssr fixes it

blended screenspace reflection toggle

also its kinda random with those animations not displaying smoothly, i am running the latest build from Github btw

beta 09

I must say it looks super nice so far, lot more lights casting light etc

lod lights look better

[gaunt hinge]

i wish my hair was like JLaw's tbh

[gritty geode]

same. she does have amazing hair

[gritty geode]

I like your about me 😂

[shadow acorn]

Easy. Just be rich. Then you can have hair like that

[gritty geode]

having personal stylists does help 😂

[agile zenith]

https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/14261

seen this?

likely "inspired" by months of your work

[gritty geode]

yes. sigh

[gritty geode]

yes they posted a link to it in my posts

[agile zenith]

what saying how they stole your work lol

[shadow acorn]

You made this? I made this

[gritty geode]

they posted a bunch of my settings and comments, changed a few things, and then made a mod out of it

I haven't compared directly how much was used. but @hybrid violet worked out how to enable ReGIR fully, and a lot of work has gone into working out the best settings

what happened with Hogwarts is someone posts an "alternative" mod with a few changes that's "better"... then get feedback, and change more things so it works for other people, and eventually they end up back to where ultra+ is

...it's not like there's 3 different groups of settings that look good...

and it's built on our know-how, without asking lol

[agile zenith]

i mean what are the chances he actually invested these hours in figuring out how to get ReGIR working on his own?

[shadow acorn]

0%

[agile zenith]

i mean its not a new nexus account, but still

[shadow acorn]

-10%

I'm jk. I have no idea

[gritty geode]

they didn't need to, it's in our comments what everything does

but the reason i commenting things is so others can give feedback and learn. not start another mod.

[agile zenith]

on an unrelated sidenote, is it "normal" behaviour that DLSS keeps swapping to "auto" with PTnext?

[gritty geode]

the stupid thing is I think having a mod menu version is a cool idea, and would even be happy to help. but nobody asked me 😂

[gritty geode]

nope! absolutely not

[agile zenith]

i also noticed some other behaviour, like if i run DLAA and swap these settings in U+ the game just crashes

when i start the game back up again it defaults to dlss auto

[gritty geode]

that sounds like a CP UserSettings.json problem. try renaming the file and redoing your settings and it should behave

idk what causes it to get into that state

[shadow acorn]

Did we ever figure out what was forcing RIS back on by reloading a save or dying/reloading save? Was that Git's fault?'

[gritty geode]

it also occurred to me to enable ReGIRGI with normal ray tracing, which may work (?)

[agile zenith]

likely unrelated to your mod though, but that file was corrupted now twice for me in the last week

i disabled steam cloud saves

[gritty geode]

no, that's an odd one... I've noticed it sometimes too, even while in U+'s config it's set to disable (and U+ has disabled it)

I think the engine is turning it on?

[agile zenith]

this is just most likely the game reverting to default settings when it comes to RIS

[gritty geode]

yes, okay that sounds like it then... tbh I don't even think the problem happens in that file, only that renaming that file causes CP to reset all its settings. but I can't find where it's keeping its other settings

[shadow acorn]

Is there a way to get the engine to fuck off?

It makes using gits unreliable 😦

[agile zenith]

gits still works for 90%

its just that thing i guess, but when you use ReGIR all bets are off i assume

[gritty geode]

that's what I'm thinking. it does similar things with DLSSD and several other switches. I could have U+ watch for it and disable it again if that's what's in its config. but currently it just sees the change and thinks the user has changed it (so saves it)

🤔

[gritty geode]

not that I've found :/

[agile zenith]

pff idk either, i noticed it too on earlier builds i have tried, one possible solution is setting stuff like you want in U+ and then save close the game, make the usersetting jason read only, and start back up again?

[gritty geode]

you can create Observers() for a lot of things, but mostly for game asssets, not so much for engine stuff

[gritty geode]

possibly 🤔

I'll have a think about it. it might be better to have a switch that, instead of modifying ris directly, enforces it being off or on

in fact yes I'll do that. that way if the engine turns it on, and the switch is off, U+ will just turn it off again

[agile zenith]

sorry for the bombardment, but i will likely forget to mention it other wise 😄 Some of these lights that "turn on" with PTnext are a bit overpowereing, is there a way to tone these down?

[gritty geode]

it already does this for ray reconstruction so the framework is already there for things like this

[gritty geode]

you're good! did you reload a save game?

[agile zenith]

im like 90% sure, but ill test now

those lights all stop broadcasting light when togling quite a few settings btw, like separate denoising and some others i dont know by heart

o yes, just loaded my game and the moment i load in, the lights turn off

and they are back on lol

also they are not overpowering anymore

a little on the bright side maybe, but this is completely fine

seems like DLSS remembered my settings now too, so it might just ONLY be the case when running DLAA

derp, i just installed that "inspired" mod lol

sec

[agile zenith]

blended screenspace reflections, make things look better, its a bit glitchy, and it doesn't save, example clip

the detail becomes a lot better, the lighting more accurate, but there is some glitchy behaviour visible, would be super if that could be remidied some how, any ideas?

[agile zenith]

i know what it is, the separate denoiser makes it more balanced, it kicks in a sec or so after loading in. Everything saves properly besides the blended SSR

[agile zenith]

also making usersettings.json read only gives a warning message that it is corrup

t

well its not needed any ways i guess unless you run DLAA somehow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQNv8pYuJ_M one more example of the SRR bugging out

the big screen gets missing, flashes etc, and the person on the dancefloor's animations are falling apart (head detaches etc)

separate denoiser gives some weird effects too

2nd pic top right, "burned in" palmtrees and other items

they move with the camera

[gritty geode]

local light brightness can be altered with ForcedShadowLightSourceRadius (from memory) in debug

[gritty geode]

yes we added a delay to make sure it loads properly 😊

[gritty geode]

mm, I'm going to need to go through everything this weekend I think

[gritty geode]

Giant. Boobs. 😂

[agile zenith]

about this , you can see a similar thing happening when turning on NRD normally, only it flashes for like a frame or so, this seems to make it stick

[agile zenith]

i was looking at that too like wtf

[gritty geode]

yes this really would be a whole lot easier (shadows, reflections, everything) if everything was actually in the PT world space

[agile zenith]

i mean i do have ebb installed but nothing that big as it would seem here

[agile zenith]

cant wait to see the first games to do this properly, i think unreal engine games are the most likely candidates for this

[gritty geode]

i wonder if there's like a flag on all the game assets that decides if it's in PT or not

like there is in unreal "include in RT"

[agile zenith]

im fairly sure there is, some modded cars are missing shadows with PT enabled

seen a few of these update logs, never really seen it in game

[gritty geode]

hmmmm

i need to take a closer look at probably these and how BB did relight with only xl files

[agile zenith]

i dont think he did it only thought xl files, there are countless of ~worldsteaming files (or something named similarly) in the archive, where the xl files seem to refer to

[gritty geode]

ahhh okay

[gritty geode]

which is interesting because i don't actually have the archives installed

[agile zenith]

than its likely refering to the vanilla streaming sectors idk

honestly 99% speculation on my part 😄 but in a semi educated guess

[subtle flame]

Hey guys, I'm trying out the latest beta and I am wondering what the quality settings do (vanilla, low, medium, high, insane). Is it like ray count and bounces?

[gritty geode]

heya 😊 they're each tuned to different use cases... all of the quality levels alter lots of things (samples, bounces, or cached bounces, rays, disocclusion sampling, etc.) ... we've tried to make each one look as good as possible for the use case.

here's how to think of them:

• Vanilla: as close to no changes as possible
• Fast: I really want to run path tracing but can barely run it (in which case use PT20, RT+PT, or PTNext) ... this is about 2x the quality of vanilla (but faster)
• Medium: I have a reasonable card and prioritise FPS (about 3.5x vanilla quality)
• High I have a reasonable card and prioritise quality (about 5x vanilla quality)
• Insane I have a high-end card and/or don't care about FPS, give it to me

[subtle flame]

Thank you. So it seems that even low (or fast) provides at least vanilla quality but with more performance?

[gritty geode]

yes! generally better than vanilla quality. but i would strongly recommend PT20 over PT21 ... the path tracing in CP 2.1+ can't be fully fixed, as far as i know, but CP 2.0's path tracing can 😊

i have a 3070 Ti in a laptop and run PT20 medium in most locations around 55 fps (DLSS quality, 1440p, FSR3 frame gen)

[subtle flame]

What about PTNext? I have a 4070 ti, is it worth it?

I know it's the newest mode so is there still some work to be done?

[gritty geode]

yes, it's definitely worth it... yes there's still a few bugs with it, which i'll hopefully sort out this week. and it's generally faster than PT21... it's what i'll be running once it's finished

with that said, i know some people are already using it quite happily even with a few visual glitches

[shadow acorn]

are you still going to have the performance/balanced/insane/cinematic presets

[gritty geode]

yes, but i've named them back to fast / medium / high / insane

oddly, performance etc.... caused too much confusion

[jade ridge]

😦

[gritty geode]

denoiser fail

[jade ridge]

Toggling ReGIR DI fixes it, again.

I'm having some issues, hey? 😅

[gritty geode]

yes.... weirdly not everyone has this issue. i think it's a timing problem

it's just occurred to me it seems to be adding part of the denoised image in RT multilayer. there might be a way to force-reset the multilayer

(without having to reload the save)

but I DON'T MUCH FEEL LIKE PUBLISHING HOW at the moment since assholes might just copy it! 😂 😭

[hybrid violet]

Saw that, basic copy in a different UI, kinda bs

[gentle haven]

sad that people do that sort of thing

[agile zenith]

Pt next is really fkn nice, even with a few of these quirks that can maybe be ironed out, its pretty spectacular how the game can look.

[vestal flint]

If someone has time, can someone else do this test

Just PTnxt v no mod at all

[gentle haven]

no mods or not ultra plus?

i will test when i get home

[vestal flint]

Just Ultra+ v nothing

To remove all other possible stuff that could change

[gentle haven]

aight

[agile zenith]

tried swapping between ndr/rr?

i notice a few of the same things, like some texture don't show depth or something, and become mirrors, like the table top counter in that pic

[gentle haven]

was it any specific mode?

[gentle haven]

nrd is currently unsupported right?

in the latest commit?

[agile zenith]

idk to be honest, i saw some messed up stuff when i ran it once because i ran dlaa

[hybrid violet]

DLAA broke PT when I tried it, I think honestly Quality is the go for fully functioning PT

[gentle haven]

Yeah, but you say messed up. So it doesn't make it look like your display completely shattered?

because that is what i saw

[agile zenith]

yeh dlaa and pt next makes it crash too, when you switch the toggle

@vestal flint this is the best i could do, ptnext medium, the window is closed so no light from outside well

[hybrid violet]

I did notice ReGIR avoids some minor light leaking I saw in PT 2.1

which I didnt think was possible in PT

also that Advanced Path Tracing literally copied the entire ReGIR path way we implemented one to one, just with slightly different build count values and a different timer for the reload of DI

Separate Denoising looks dimmer in some shots cause its more accurate as per nvidia docs

and vegetation's a bit cooked without it

[agile zenith]

yeh i do disable it though, because it turns off like 50% of the lights

[hybrid violet]

hmmm if it is, that didnt apply

so, if DI is properly reloaded, Seperate Denoising wont do that

if it isnt, you loose Direct Lighting

thats ours for reference

its even wrong, your not meant to reenable the actual base grid, just DI

🙃

[gentle haven]

One thing i had with seperate denoising was that V's world shadows were casting wrong, is this a common issue or has no one seen this?

[hybrid violet]

hmmmm do u have an example?

[agile zenith]

@vestal flint no mod

[gentle haven]

no images right now, but i noticed it at for example if V sits at a bar or with takemura in tom's diner

[hybrid violet]

see, I've half considered if reloading DI and having separate denoising is the correct ReGIR path

[gentle haven]

It fixed itself when i turned it off

[hybrid violet]

or if the pre-reload is correct

cause, the pre-reload looses some highlights, it seems to loose some screenspace elements. but, it was a lil cleaner

but the post-reload has proper vegetation

and those elements

but I did notice the ghost shadow issue randomly with no pattern

[agile zenith]

i prefer pre-reload, but yeh the light is more balanced after reload

[hybrid violet]

might need to be a toggle

Enable ReGIR Screen Space Path

when off, no reload

[agile zenith]

o right was messing about a little on 1080p instead of 4k, running the highest quality setting, and the SSR seem to function on that setting

[hybrid violet]

are u still using ini's by chance

[agile zenith]

still only got like 38 fps or so on a 4090 😄

[hybrid violet]

or have you removed them

[hybrid violet]

wait pre FG?

[agile zenith]

some yeh for hair shading only

[hybrid violet]

or post

[agile zenith]

fg doesnt add that much with insane

[hybrid violet]

hmmm I get 60 fps

though i9 13900k

so, Insane is basically useless imo compared to High

for the FPS cost

[agile zenith]

quality gives me like 40 on 4k, balanced 39

[hybrid violet]

i did extensive testing, lemme link

[hybrid violet]

start here

[agile zenith]

insane is unusable i think, unless you could also use DLAA somehow, because insane seems more fitting fro screenarchery, but then with denoisers etc i dont like the shots that much 🙂

[hybrid violet]

what CPU?

cause I'm 60 fps on Balanced with Insane, and like 70-75 with High

4090

4k

[agile zenith]

5800x3d

im 100% gpu limited though

i guess

[hybrid violet]

any chance your using either LOD mods or the settings unlocker that has Psycho everything?

[agile zenith]

could be the location too, i test infront of Heavy hearts because its the most demanding spot i know

o yeh for sure, lod's to the brim

basically every stable lod mod on the nexus

[hybrid violet]

for LOD I reduced down to Performance instead of Extreme

helped a bunch

and also not using the ini for it that has 5k draw distance tweak

[agile zenith]

what do you mean by that?

[hybrid violet]

for um Next gen environment lods

https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/4923?tab=files

[agile zenith]

o derp, i do run GITS ini's

[hybrid violet]

hmmm can try removing them, I use gits without

[agile zenith]

yeh will do

i already adapted it like 3 months ago for gits

but now we have different techniques so need to test without

also LOD mods have my preference over most other things

[hybrid violet]

yeah true

[agile zenith]

gonna stick with the extreme version

[hybrid violet]

basically, performance is notably raised LODs

extreme is everything max LOD

at any distance

but yeah will cost you

https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/11240
best remove the ini here as well

so the second small part

causes massive PT lag

[agile zenith]

[Streaming]
EditorThrottledMaxNodesPerFrame = 1000
MaxNodesPerFrame = 1000
PrecacheDistance = 40.000000

what setting though?

[hybrid violet]

those max nodes and the min stream distance

1000 is the upper end of what I'd do, 800 is what Ultra+ uses on highest

the mod does 5k

[gentle haven]

so make sure there is no ini's?

because i believe i have both of those aswell

[agile zenith]

idk man, i think if U+ overwrites these, there is no point removing the ini

it applies all those settings at launch if i am not mistaken

this is why i love and hate this mod, its super ambitious, just like GITS and some other mods i run, it makes it super hard to trouble shoot things

whish there was a version of ultra plus that didnt mess with rain/render distance/lods etc

purely for the path tracing part

[vestal flint]

Are these photomode? There is no anti aliasing being applied

[gritty geode]

the problem is, all those things affect PT performance

[agile zenith]

AA is baked into the game

quicksnap with gamebar btw

[gritty geode]

rain batch size does, nodes per frames does. I did speak with sosuine about them (a few times), but he didn't do anything.

when I didn't override them, people would complain about performance due to conflicts. so I override them.

[gentle haven]

I think it makes it easier to adjust things to your setup including the lods

[gentle haven]

But, do we delete them to make sure?

[agile zenith]

those all conflict

[gritty geode]

ideally yes, especially RTXDIY, we're not specifically overriding all of it, it absolutely will conflict if there's something we've missed

[agile zenith]

yeh im gonna run now without those

[gritty geode]

yes they all conflict. IMGGLASS may not but I'm not sure what it does

[hybrid violet]

TracingRadius = 50000
TracingRadiusReflections = 50000
good lord
EmissiveLOD = 2
shouldnt change these
EmissiveProxyLightRejectionDistance = 10.200000
ShadowFadeFraction = 0.050
ForcedShadowLightSourceRadius = 0.01500000

[RayTracing/Collector]
VisibilityCullingRadius = 200000.0
good we overwrite that

MaterialProxyNumMax = 131072
MaterialProxyUpdateNumMax = 128
ScratchBufferSizeMB = 128
GeometryUpdateBufferSizeMB = 256

[gritty geode]

no, these are all a bad idea

[hybrid violet]

yeah def delete

we should prob overwrite all these back to vanilla

to be safe

[gritty geode]

so is changing the buffer sizes etc. you may get away with small changes, but a bigger is NOT a cache. larger is not faster

if you've ever worked with audio buffers, you want the smallest possible

[hybrid violet]

prob a good half of Ultra+ has this

cause of RTXDIY

should revert its changes

[gritty geode]

yes

nice to see you Fire 😊

[agile zenith]

that is my edited version of RTXDIY

i only removed some parts

cant remember which ones

[hybrid violet]

oh theres more

[agile zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/but-wait-theres-more-gif-26390141

[gritty geode]

I think that other mod that copied ultra+ (RDNA?) sets the buffers to 1024MB 😭

[hybrid violet]

nah bigger always === better

[agile zenith]

why not 10 GB?

downloadmorebuffer.com

[gritty geode]

moohaha

[agile zenith]

who what

what happened to your avatar?

[gentle haven]

that is indeed a good question

[agile zenith]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4EZ57m3Cdc

pt next /medium

[gritty geode]

I just reported that mod. I tried to reason with them. they could have even copied the GitHub with an MIT attribution. apparently they don't want to attribute the work to anyone

[gritty geode]

I got bored of it

why is there something wrong with this one? 😂😭

[gritty geode]

that looks really good, I can't see very well though cause I'm on my phone and half asleep 😂

[vestal flint]

Why is it so aliased then

[agile zenith]

the only way to get sharper is running DLAA i guess or native res, the AA solution isnt all that great

there are 2 quality options to chose from (with a mod) and the best one is already the default. But turning it off doesn't make a huge difference, but it just completely breaks Pathtracing and a lot of other things

[agile zenith]

nah nothing i saw it all of the sudden in this thread, then it was back to your og, now i restarted it shows your new one

also SSR shenanigans seem to be fixed with all those INI tweaks gone

default weather

fog/sandstorm are like this

gonna need to adjust some weather env params i guess

[agile zenith]

also make sure the pic is fully rendered first, its not optimised, so the initial load looks worse

[real ravine]

i don't think he did it for clout. i mean, i can't figure out other "vile" reason...he's not trying to "fix" anything unrelated to PT, it also adds another dependency, which imo is really bad, another thing that could break stuff. i dislike the inconvenience of having to go into the game menu to change the settings that alter the visuals of the game without a preview. imo using the CET popup is the best approach cause i can see what it does. he can't just copy without understanding forever, if he actually did it. if he did study, did his own tests and came up to the conclusion that Ultra+ already have the best options, whatever, who cares. maybe don't bully him into oblivion, he at least did give credits 😂🔫

this thing happens everyday with anything related to linux. a new distro, a new compositor, a new init system, a clone of something but in an obscure language...so much effort being spread into meaningless things just because

sammi pull the rug! change the license, do an elastic/redis move. maybe add a DRM to your plugin 🤣

[hybrid violet]

he is kinda claiming he invented part of it himself

[real ravine]

i've read everything already. saw the mod yesterday as soon as it got released

[shadow heath]

I doubt Nexus will do anything

[real ravine]

good for him, what can i say xd

[agile zenith]

gonna be hard to judge for the admins to decide on it. I honestly have no idea, but it did seem sus on first glance. What made it even more sus is that he never tried to communicate before releasing this

[real ravine]

he should be in the server with us, i think. some stuff was heavily discussed here. the codebase is also pretty big, and the code is good quality, not things hacked around. i think he has a good understanding of what it does, either by lurking around 👀 or/and testing things himself

i was talking about not bullying him because the current version doesn't bring anything new to the table. let him release something new unrelated to ultra+

[agile zenith]

on the bright side, he was open to closing down the mod itself, so idk that says a lot too

[real ravine]

if it's just a "fork" without the general fixes and a pretty UI, yeah, whatever. but if something good comes out of it, why not

[hybrid violet]

my prob is def not its existence, its just not being open, saying its solely inspired and also kinda not acknowledging he did just lift alot of it from U+ including copying most of its fixes and code structure. just be honest and open, maybe also ping here and let people know

[agile zenith]

the lack of communication is kinda weird

he could have known what shitstorm he sailed into

a mod that got removed who was "inspired" was also kinda hard to prove

[real ravine]

least toxic nexusmod's community interraction 🤣

[agile zenith]

i am super glad i am not a moderator or admin in any shape or form

[real ravine]

or a country ruler am i right? 😂

[agile zenith]

you need to be a special type of person to be willing to rule a country

im literally 100% on the oposing side of that spectrum

[real ravine]

• worst case scenario: he copied the know-how, handpicked whatever seemed of interest to him from ultra+ and came up with another implementation - new UI, new code;
• best case scenario: he tried to reinvent the wheel and got to the point where your findings got re-validated and this is actually the only known and best method to improve the PT render pipeline, meaning that you should keep at it and focus on the current iteration for now

[gentle haven]

Even though he says he spoke to sammilucia

[shadow heath]

there is really no need to over-complicate things

he just copied a bunch of stuff

and repackaged it

since there was an open repo with documentation that made it easy

it's a mod for a game so few people are gonna take crediting or copyright seriously

[agile zenith]

i think they "talked" but it was after it got realeased

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[minor smelt]

Agree

[minor smelt]

But what is done was against the open source license used by Sammi

[minor smelt]

Sadly true

[shadow heath]

I understand but I'm pretty sure moderation only does something when it's very obvious stealing, either copyrighted content or whole mods

[minor smelt]

Depends on their internal rules of course and the license attached to the original work

[gentle haven]

It got taken down

[minor smelt]

He hid it him/herself

And refering to a different mod

Is that Sammi's or just another one from that user?

[shadow acorn]

i think that's sammi's mod

looks like the mod author voluntarily hid it

it wasn't taken down by nexus admins

[minor smelt]

Confirmed: https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/10490

[minor smelt]

Yeah, so the intentions likely weren't that bad after all

[gritty geode]

no he didn't. the fast and slow timers, and sequence of commands, were straight from ultra+

Fire worked out the timing and should have the credit

sigh, i hate this shit. i would just rather we work together. i think some people would rather use the Native UI

[late vine]

Hello, I have been testing the v4.0 beta for the past couple days and commenting on nexusmods, SammiLucia pointed me out to this discord so I am gonna drop some things I found here. I am not a developer, I just test by messing with the values to see what works.

1. Firstly about Global Light, it appears to have the messed up character shadow problem like SammiLucia has pointed out but also another problem with distant shadows. Here is how I tested it: with it disabled, the distant sun shadows render very far. For example, from near the Wellsprings metro in bottom left part of the city center, you can see the distant shadows all the way on Dogtown's tall buildings. When Global Light is enabled it removes those shadows completely. I thought it was just "more accurate soft shadows" and that is why you couldn't see them from that far but no, the shadows reappear when you get closer, so this means it just has limited range. If you could find a way to increase its range that would be amazing. Until then, setting the SunAngular Shadows to 0.15 like you did seems to have almost the same quality for shadows. I thought it was too sharp at first but the shadows with GlobalLight are even sharper so that probably means 0.15 is a good value. The default 0.5 makes a lot of sun shadows disappear completely, which I didn't notice previously until I did more extensive testing. However, this method still doesn't have the increased and higher quality bounce lighting of GlobalLight. With GlobalLight it genuinely feels like it is 4 vs 40 light bounces because some dark areas that should be brighter from the indirect sunlight end up much brighter like they should be with the setting turned on.

But otherwise it looks so good when you only focus on nearby stuff that I am still debating whether distant shadows are worth turning it off for. It is just the pop-in in the distance can get annoying

2. PreCacheDistance works good until ~75, any more and buildings start disappearing. After setting the value to 70 and playing for 7+ hours I found zero issues so that value could probably be increased further than 40.

All of these are with PTNext Beta 09 High/Insane settings with Ray Reconstruction on btw

3. Here is a bigger bug that took me 3 days to figure out how to work around. Sometimes when you load a save, there will be a constant shadow on your screen that you can't get rid of. Sometimes it is small, sometimes it takes up 10% of the screen. This is caused by RTXDI Separate denoising. Here is the workaround:
   Load save -> Encounter shadow artifact issue -> disable separate denoising -> reload save -> enable separate denoising.

This is the ONLY way I could get rid of those artifacts. Reloading a save without disabling the separate denoising does nothing. They are persistent on your save file somehow and not even restarting my PC and game solved it. I was starting to think my GPU is dying.

I don't have a screenshot right now but as an example the shadows always resemble some object like this but the object is not there and the shadow will stay where the object was located on your screen when you loaded the save

[late vine]

About MaxNodesPerFrame, I increased it from 800 to 1800 and saw zero issues in the past ~10 hours of playing. It didn't change my fps on a 4090 and since it didn't cause any issues I was too lazy to test side by side to see if there was any improvement. SammiLucia noted ~2000 for max draw distance and I think that is a pretty decent amount.

[late vine]

Also, disabling separate denoising permanently is not an option because it is really crucial for foliage lighting. Have to use the work around until it is fixed.

[late vine]

Was reading older posts, and this is exactly what I was referring to with shadow artifacts. The workaround I found fixes it.

[hybrid violet]

Alternative might be foliage tuning

[late vine]

@hybrid violet I have spent the last 2 hours just reading all the old posts here to see the development history and I gotta say I'm a huge fan of your work. You guys are magicians.

any chance you could fix the GlobalLight issues?

[hybrid violet]

So GlobalLight can be used without the underlying shadows, the issue is indirect lighting is a bit cooked

It seems to add or hold ambient light from some source in the code or the engine making daytime shadows look pretty bad

The other flaw is, the RT shadows that are used atm are not pure PT world space, to my understanding they can cast from both sources while global light is a pure PT solution

Better agreed, but the contrast underneath shadows for it are not right to me

And idk where that ambient light is coming from

the other flaw of Global Light is yes the character's shadow, it be cooked in terms of syncing with animations and such

maybe, maybe with some engine delving in the ENV files this could be resolved possibly, I looked throught the ini files and could not find the source of the ambient light

the solution btw to get pure Global Light
enable Global Light, then disable Global Shadow and Cascades

gotta be that order

my best guess, disabling cascades doesnt remove the base direct sunlight in the game

and removing cascades causes that direct sunlight to not be occluded

so everything gets direct sunlight + global light shadow/light

alternatively, its the global light implementation itself with baked ambient

[late vine]

I got the perfect place to test this. Be right back

In the meanwhile, do you remember this place from Nvidia Ray Reconstruction showcase?

[hybrid violet]

yeah

[late vine]

Why no light

lmao

[hybrid violet]

I did notice with all these sort of structures ReGIR did better

[late vine]

It's been like this since 2.1 Patch

[late vine]

This is with Regir insane

No matter what I tried I couldn't get it to look like the Nvidia showcase in any mode

[hybrid violet]

the one I saw was the much larger one that is raised over a highway/road

that does light up everything

using relight?

[late vine]

No other visual mods except higher LOD from sousine

and deleted the ini from that too, just archive

[late vine]

To be honest 99% of the lights seem to be correctly lighting up everything, it is just this one place where it seems broken

not only does it not light up properly here, it also takes a while to update

could just be broken idk

[hybrid violet]

Hmmm tried without LOD?

[late vine]

nope, be right back

gonna test global light too

This is with GlobalLight off, GlobalShadow On, Cascades On

wait

wrong pic

GlobalLight On, Cascades and GlobalShadow off

distant shadows unfortunately break with Global Light no matter what

[agile zenith]

i think bababooye (bb88) managed to tweak these for character lighting

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also talks about it a bit in this thread

[late vine]

Global Light Off

GlobalLight On

all distant shadows gone

it is such a shame because if you don't look at distant shadow pop in, GlobalLight On looks so much better

[hybrid violet]

Hmmmmmm

Might need to raise the visibility radius

For Global Light at least

[late vine]

VisibilityCullingRadius?

[hybrid violet]

Yeah

Double it or triple it

[late vine]

Should I try?

is it only through ini?

[hybrid violet]

It’s set in Ultra Plus

As are the cascades and global shadow I think

Um

Debug panel I think has it

[late vine]

I changed in ini gonna test rn

btw do I enable SER?

for PTNext?

[hybrid violet]

yeah shouldnt be disabled

[late vine]

it was set to false in ini

[hybrid violet]

U Control will overwrite it

oh?

wait ini?

commonfixes.ini?

[late vine]

config common

[hybrid violet]

that should be enabled, boosts my frametimes

yeah VisibilityCullingRadius is set in that ini

[late vine]

Enabled SER as well and am testing with 5000 CullingRadius

[hybrid violet]

oh btw EnableShadowCascades isnt the option that will give pure global light*

[late vine]

do I disable it?

[hybrid violet]

Developer/FeatureToggles/CascadeShadows = true

[late vine]

Didn't work sadly : /

Still no shadows

Tried 5000, 7000, 10 000

increased the offset as well but does nothing

are these settings even doing anything?

My culling radius had same fps

2000 vs 10 000

[agile zenith]

i think shadows are actually there, but they are overpowered

[late vine]

maybe they are not applying

[agile zenith]

• the light is overpowered i mean

[late vine]

yes I agree

[hybrid violet]

yeah i dont get how atm

to me seems ENV

[late vine]

the shadow is still there but seems very soft

[hybrid violet]

but not sure

[agile zenith]

isnt there an ini for global light intensity or something?

[late vine]

maybe it is not culling

simply the shadows are too soft in the distance

idk

like you said, overpowered

anyways, shame

You can feel that GlobalLight is the more accurate/pure Path Tracing but it is just broken with distant shadows

I didn't even notice that palm trees were moving until I saw their shadows moving with GlobalLight

Didn't realize those shadows were static without GlobalLight

[agile zenith]

palm tree shadows are bugged in some ways, just like some debree clothing and other cloth

those dark blotches

[late vine]

I meant the shadows on the ground

BUT global light also seems to fix MOST of those dark blotches for me

so there is that

[agile zenith]

Editor/RTXDI/MaxIntensity = 0.000000 maybe this line should be tweaked idk tbh just some poorly educated guesses

[late vine]

If I recall correctly changing that value completely broke the lighting lmao

So i didn't touch it after

[late vine]

tried this as well, no luck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0Q93N-lWSE

Someone uploaded this to youtube

Vanilla

5 months ago

I think they just broke it

[hybrid violet]

so

this is the worldspace in PT no denoising Global Light without Cascades or Global Shadow

Direct Light is proper busted

[late vine]

What the hell lmao

[hybrid violet]

to be clear, there are shadows. but notice something

there is PT going on in areas not directly lit

but this confirms the theory that its PT + Direct Diffuse