▫️Horizon: Zero Dawn Remaster/Forbidden West

[sharp totem]

It was one of the first HDR games I tried and with it I started messing with ReShade shaders and learning a bit about all this.

[unreal niche]

hdr looks pretty solid, just lower highlights down to -5

[sharp totem]

Why -5 though? Also paperwhite defaults at 236. Would that be correct?

[placid radish]

its super blown out at the default value

[sharp totem]

Haha.

Adds more punch he says... To the eye retina maybe.

[placid radish]

this guy always recommends insane settings

this is the setting he recommended looks like

worse highlight detail than sdr

[placid radish]

you also need to decrease the shadows slider

its way too contrasty by default

[sharp totem]

Oh my. Why would they do that?

[lavish vessel]

Gamma 2.4 is what movies and TV shows use

TLoU also looks like G2.4 in HDR

And nixxies games insomniac ports are 2.35 apparently

[unreal niche]

Just Spider-Man

But Nixxes did 1.9 on the pc ports for Spider-Man 1 and miles some reason

idk about ratchet

But it’s also insomniac

So probably the same 2.35 I imagine

[lavish vessel]

Right I've meant insomnac ports by nixxes

[placid radish]

its gamma 2.4 in sdr

[unreal niche]

How do you know they’re encoding with 2.4 in sdr

[placid radish]

lilium told me that

[unreal niche]

Noice

[placid radish]

wait, maybe not encoding with 2.4, but they are targeting 2.4 displays

thats what lilium told me iirc

dont know if they are straight up encoding with 2.4

[sharp totem]

But as far as i know HDR is meant for 2.2, right? I'm still almost clueless about HDR but I thought that was like a cornerstone of it.

Wait. Maybe not. I came to that conclusion because my TV defaults to 2.2 and you cannot change it while HDR is active.

[placid radish]

theres no gamma in hdr

but for games target 2.2 in sdr, they should match the look of sdr 2.2 for most game in terms of midtone and shadow detail since almost all games are sdr first so sdr 2.2 is the intended look

99% of the games target gamma 2.2, the only games i know that target 2.4 are tlou part 1 and ghost of tsushima

and its not all about highlights/peak brightness

its also about details

[placid radish]

in the case above

you dont get any extra detail compared to sdr

this is not what hdr is meant to be

you can check this comparison, true hdr just provides more hightlight detail

this is also why i think gamingtech's setting is just insane

but anyway, that guy doesnt know anything about hdr, you should never follow his advice

[sharp totem]

Nah I just use it as a heads up then ask here to all you very gentle and patient people then I try finding some middle ground between my ignorance and your huge and detailed knowledge and advice.

Wasn't there a project to make some sort of Wiki for HDR? With all the work you guys do it'd be great to archive it somewhere as a reference and starting point for other gamers.

[sonic pawn]

Yes it’s worth it

[kindred wave]

pretty much

he has improved though at least he actually measures it

what are ideal settings for this game i thought it looked good out of the box

i guess just shadows -3

[placid radish]

well his info is correct mostly

but just dont follow his advice

by mostly i mean hes using low quality capture from ps5

[kindred wave]

yeah that is a big mistake he makes too he seems to review most games on console when PC has better analysis tools

[placid radish]

it is possible to get high quality capture on ps5

[kindred wave]

but back to my question pretty much just shadows -3 on this

to my untrained eye it looked good and way less blown out then the original

[placid radish]

-5 highlights

default value blow out some hightlights

[rose sail]

afaik they are encoding with it

[carmine fossil]

hello for some reason after all the patches horizon forbidden west is still broken about HDR. when everything is setup correctly in windows HDR calibration app, yet only few numbers make the brightness pop much more such as 472 or 1016 for some example. does someone knows why it happens and how to fix it so I could enjoy the game fully ? I would like to set it to 450 but it's all washed out

[worthy swallow]

what are the current recommended settings for HZD?

can't seem to figure out the correct HDR Brightness value, I use 150 nits target for autohdr and rtxhdr (gamma 2.2) but this slider does not seem to equate to paper nits at all

[magic field]

for both games
#1212434739500154921 message

no auto hdr and rtx hdr

[worthy swallow]

is this with brightness at default 256?

[weary ridge]

▫️Horizon: Zero Dawn Remaster/Forbidden West

[wide schooner]

@magic field This ' use SDR 2.2 Emulation in [Lilium Black Floor Fix]'. Is this correct?

[magic field]

Yes, for 200nits paper white ingame

[wide schooner]

Should it match? You can't set 200 in game. Also BT 709 = SDR 2.2?

[magic field]

No, 2.2 is gamma
Bt709 is the color space. Games generally use this in both sdr and hdr.
While 2.2 gamma is used in sdr games
Some games also use 2.4 gamma

[jovial silo]

So, attempting to get HDR working under cachyos running KDE. While I can get the game to enable HDR the colors are completely washed out and thus far nothing I've tried has functioned

I'm using a 9070 running the latest mesa driver(literally installed this instance of cachy twelve hours ago so I know I'm current )

[jovial silo]

Resolved-ignore. For anyone else running into this issue
If you find setting hdr via steam command line args results in a washed out image try launching steam in big picture mode in the command line with game scope the exact command is gamescope -w [resolution] -h[resolution] --hdr-enabled --fullscreen -e --steam -bigpicture