▫️Horizon: Zero Dawn Remaster/Forbidden West

[lean hull]

Yeah, I feel you on that. It’s more of a band-aid, but fixed as in 709 to 2020 conversion that was happening before when that wasn’t needed.

I like Ultra HDR for its compatibility but I agree, it’s not a solution either.

Better AVIF support in Photos app and browsers should be ideal.

And like Discord eventually or any service where images are being embedded.

[broken condor]

The number of hours I've spent on just tonemapping screenshots trying to get an image I'm happy with, lol.
At least the colors aren't oversaturated.

It was simpler back when SK's own HDR was Rec 709 clamped and most games were as well, but now we also need gamut mapping because native HDR in games is often pushing beyond Rec 709.

The art assets for games are all still Rec 709, but after image processing, they can push into DCI-P3 easily.

[lean hull]

Yeah, IMO if it’s serviceable? It’s good enough. If you care for proper accuracy, share JXR anyway.

But as close as we can bring them to HDR, though — the better.

[prisma copper]

Just lower the textures to medium. Solved those problems for me

Same config as you. rtx 3080 10gb and 4k TV

If you have a amd cpu, force enable rBar. I got a huge FPS boost

More than 20 fps game wide

But onl if you have a amd cpu. Intel cpus with rBar on actually degrades performance

[granite bough]

rbar already turned On

[granite bough]

didnt work for me

[mint crystal]

@celest nest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY1O6IPO8vE

[granite bough]

and I have another problem, Im in the secound area in town and after cutscens or walking around my GPU power goes down like from 80=90 fps to 50, this same I have in Ratchet

I reset game and problem goes away but this is not solution

[celest nest]

yay 😄

[sharp glen]

I notice this when I’m I. Barren light or the inn of chainscrape, I assumed it was my 4070 TI and 4K having issues with the smoke, but it was going from like 98fps to 40-50

[amber badger]

Anyone else experiencing black crush at night in the game?

[granite bough]

I have 1440p with dlss quality, for vram cap its a lot space 1gb

I don’t know why this happening

[fringe agate]

where are you in the game rn?

[granite bough]

Just after beating the ||viper|| town

1h or something like that

[amber badger]

https://youtu.be/DpcgFArQbM0

@celest nest theyre already making videos about you hahaha

[vital quartz]

Yeah it gets pretty dark. I like that mostly, but there have been a couple of minor spots where it's awkward. Usually indoors.

[amber badger]

I ended up boosting shadows a bit 👍

[fringe agate]

hmm that is farther than I am, after I entered the main area my vram usage dropped significantly

[royal aurora]

Tried to install reshade to check the hdr stuff with liliums shader, now SK's gui doesnt pop up anymore, i can see the mouse pointer change where the gui normally is but its not visible, removing reshade fixes it, is there something i need to change or adjust?

Also, would have been nice to have a config file where you could manually set the hdr luminance/paper white, pita not being able change them in increments of 1 with the mouse.

[fringe agate]

globally install reshade to SKIF and launch via SKIF

[royal aurora]

will try that thanks 🙂

[tulip canopy]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/1bmxs9v/horizon_forbidden_west_has_forced_sharpening/ @weary ridge I figure you've noticed this?

[pallid hawk]

Is it only me when changing upscaling methods in settings, huge fps drops and doesn't recover.

Surprised no one reported it here

Cause I don't think its only me

[celest nest]

i think DF mentioned it

[broken condor]

Yeah, applies to dynamic resolution scaling as well.
I had to turn that feature off, it looks terrible with the sharpening applied and no way to disable it.

Wish SK could just disable render passes in D3D12 like I can D3D11 🙂

[amber badger]

I have the same issue. Changing dlss twice or more drops fps to 30, fine after restart.

Also fps tends to drop over time and doesn't recover, stood at a fireplace, got 60 fps. Restarted game and got 90 fps, exact same spot in game

[weary ridge]

oh so it's like CP77

I knew something was off lol

but it says that no extra sharpening is applied when using DLAA

DLSS Quality mode looks pretty good though if you lover the sharpening slider to 0

but I "love" how people can't use the photo mode to take identical screenshots with different settings..

[olive island]

Where is the solution file for a setting like in the Youtube video? I came here from GamingTech's video

I am using Samsung 55QN90B

[weary ridge]

https://www.nexusmods.com/horizonforbiddenwest/mods/10/ or #1220402379321770027 message

[olive island]

I copied and pasted directly into the game folder. What should I do next? Currently at 1499/236/0/0

Is that the whole process?

[weary ridge]

it is

[shrewd breach]

Hello all....do I use the 25% peak cdm or the 24% sustained values for in game HDR settings. Thanks in advance

[grand yacht]

What display do you have?
Would be better to use a smaller window peak than 25%, but if you know your display has a HDR 1000 peak mode you should use it.

The paperwhite for this game can be 250~300 seems like a sensible value, adjust to it how you like it.

[shrewd breach]

@grand yacht thanks for taking the time...its a Samsung 65qn90b. On rtings 10 percent peak is 1983 nits. Not sure what's hdr 1000 mode is but I got hdr10 basic and advanced and Hgig on

[grand yacht]

That's a very bright HDR display, you could max the slider out to 1500.

[shrewd breach]

@grand yacht .....and contrast enhancer is a no no for hdr.

[grand yacht]

I've seen this setting do wildly different things between different models of Samsung monitors and TVs. Usually it oversaturates things and crushes finer details near black. Might be nice in some pixel art games though.

[shrewd breach]

@grand yacht you are awesome. Thanks for your insight and helpfulness.

[grand yacht]

You're welcome. 👍

[royal aurora]

Latest SK update seems to terminate the game process as soon as it starts, reverted back to previous version to get it to work again 🙂

Turned down paper white to around 100, 235 is way too bright in a not so bright room

[broken condor]

That's because of Nixxes crappy Streamline code.

If you're not using frame generation, delete sl.dlss_g.dll
If you are, set the Global Injection Delay to 0

[broken condor]

Good luck reading the game's UI 🙂 It's just going to be an obnoxious whitewash indistinguishable from the clouds.

[celest nest]

i still find this baffling and I keep wondering if your screen is different or something

i made this screenshot today planning to ask you

is this bad in your opinion? unreadable? because I don't have issues reading the subtitles here

this is 1000 peak, everything else default

[unreal niche]

its harder to see on a tv than a monitor

[celest nest]

to be clear I don't mean it's perfect. but it's well readable, just kinda like grey text on a white background

[unreal niche]

god of war ragnarok did it well

blurred subtitles background

i think alan wake 2 did that too

[celest nest]

actually i've noticed theres a specific cutscene where you have a long conversation with a bright hologram and they forced the subtitle background setting there 😄

[wooden oracle]

I saw that too lol

[rose sail]

Kind of a derail:
why do we (or is it just me) use subtitles for all our games while for movies we don't.
Like I don't need them in cutscenes, only in gameplay maybe.

[celest nest]

i tend to use subs in everything, even when the movie's in my native tongue lol

sometimes the mixing is bad or the actors really muffle their lines

[rose sail]

I know a lot of people watch with subs on movies and shows always now

[vital quartz]

I turn subs off in games where possible. Particularly if voice acting is good. Find subs detracts from immersion, and lead me to skipping forward and missing out on the exchange.

[lean hull]

@celest nest how far are you into the game now?

[lean hull]

I learnt English that way, growing up watching all the Hollywood movies with subs, initially didn't understand much anyway but when I started watching movies in my own native language, either dubbed or locally made. And then with English subs, that helped a LOT!

That, and Eminem.

Speaking power of speaking the language came from playing games online with people from rest of the world, mostly Europeans. They also had broken English when spoken, but understood good. I remember this friend from Romania got great marks in English and he attributed to us communicating while playing CoD 😄

And now I just always have subs enabled even though they aren't needed anymore. I like the captions, too.

[heavy breathing]

[celest nest]

still pretty early i think. but i've already played a lot lol. ||got the base||

[lean hull]

Captions mainly cause even today, I get to learn an odd thing or two.

Like if there's something being shown in show/movie, a machine etc. It will say its name or whatever function it's doing in captions, and I always find that as learning odd shit about some other odd shit.

[lean hull]

Ah, nice. And we're still rocking the same default settings paper white and all, right?

[celest nest]

I am yeah

[lean hull]

I'm finally gonna get time to play properly from today (hopefully), been busy with training new assistant and stuff.

Now hoping I can at least get a few non-stop hours in and actually progress 😄

[celest nest]

yeah I think it's mostly the same for me, I'm just used to having subtitles since I can remember. I could probably turn them off in the majority of content without issues but I feel more comfortable with them on

[lean hull]

aye, same. Which is odd cause ...

In games, I tend to turn off all the HUD that I can.

So, I can enjoy uninterrupted experience.

But in movies, I keep subs on.

Granted, I do go for smallest font size.

And if it's on PC, and there's letterboxing, I make sure subs are at the bottom on the black bars. So, actualy movie doesn't get hurt.

[rich lark]

I used to have subtitles on in games so I wouldn't miss any distant dialogue. Dialogue triggers seem to be designed for speedrunners and not for my slow-ass "I'm directing an E3 presentation!" playstyle.

But now I just let go of all the UI I can let go of. If I miss some lines here or there, then woe is me.

[wide schooner]

I have perhaps a noob question ;

Windows HDR calibration has my maximum luminance at 330.
My monitor spec sheet is : Peak brightness at least 600 Nits - Sustained brightness at least 300 nits.

Does that mean if my maximum luminanance is set to 330 : ill lose specular highlights that go higher than 330?

[broken condor]

Yes, that is terrible, but still somewhat readable. I would never willingly run the game that way, since by the time you can squint and make out the text, it's probably gone.

There are much worse cases of why UIs need to be brighter, but that's a good start.

[thick salmon]

Same, but absolutely hated subtitles as they are often so inaccurate

Except in games of course

[lean hull]

It's a weird thing with subtitles, yeah. Depends on the company that transcribed it, usually they tend to contextualize it in the local lingo so you understand, if there's a curse word, they might not do 1:1 translation cause a certain curse word isn't used in another region, so they'll substitute, etc.

So, you never get that 1:1 translation, but as in watching, you get the feel of what the director was going for, per se.

It is only when you actually can pin point inaccuracies in it, cause you learn and become knowledgeable enough, that it starts to bother you.

But for the most part, general public watches it, reads it, or dubbing for instance, it gets contextualized to fit the local lingo.

[next kiln]

Hello. What is the take-away for this game and HDR? It just needs Ershin's peak fix? And then you're good to go?

[weary ridge]

Pretty much

[next kiln]

nice

Any other must have mods? I haven't been reading this channel since i've been focused on cyberpunk lately

[weary ridge]

Nothing must have

[thick salmon]

Bloody hell, even English spoken series have low-quality English subs.... with missing context, weirdly interperted words etc.

[lean hull]

Hmmm, can't say I agree with most of the stuff I've been watching for years now.

Netflix, Prime, Apple TV, HBO, Hulu, et al.

Maybe some really old stuff? But for most recent, nothing comes to mind.

I did binge a couple older series last year, though.

Californication and The Shield

No issues.

[thick salmon]

House MD is not that old 🥺

[lean hull]

I haven't seen that, but it's on the list.

[pallid hawk]

Blown highlight (sun)?

[fringe agate]

Can you post with lilium?

[celest nest]

no squinting required on my screen

but regardless, I don't really understand how having brighter ui would improve readability? you want the text to have more contrast with the background, not less

so to have enough contrast you'd either want bright text on a dark background or dark text on a bright background

[lean hull]

As it stands, with text in the game. I am having trouble with readability, too. And I think what Kal might be thinking is if text itself is much brighter than the content, it'll stand out more?

Like readability is so bad, I thought it had no shadows. I had to look at the sky and realize there is drop shadow on text.

It just still seems pretty bad in terms of readability when there's bushes, trees, sand, etc in background.

Like I can't glance at it and read, sadly. I have to pay attention to it.

Don't have to squint either, though. heh

[celest nest]

but you only can have text brighter than the highlights if you destroy the game's hdr (and also have eye burningly bright text at all times just to solve the rare case from the screenshot). sounds insane to me. so the only other option is to have the text darker than the highlights, which... is the case here

[fringe agate]

Honestly, they could have just added an outline border to all UI and it'd be solved

[lean hull]

My solution for better readability considering the game design and terrain, brightness, etc.

• brighter text, in white.
• shadows more spread out, in black.

Not the most ideal, it'll create that black halo around text cause it'll be more than just dropshadow, the spread will be more. BUTTTTT ... should be able to glance and read.

[lean hull]

There is some, drop shadow acts that way. But uniform outline could've worked, too. Yeah.

[lean hull]

Fair, I guess it's cause I'm barely seeing text on screen.

Cause I have that explorer mode on?

Not sure how you're playing, but text isn't covering my screen much. Except for subs, and task related stuff.

[celest nest]

yeah hud text should always have an outline

[lean hull]

But you're right, too bright text all the time burniung your eyes would be painful, too.

[celest nest]

i just don't understand how pumping the UI paperwhite could make this anything but worse, unless you get UI paperwhite way past max luminance, which, again, makes no sense to me

raising ui brightness effectively reduces the contrast when the text is on a bright background and will make it less readable

am i missing something here

[fringe agate]

I actually think it may be an ABL thing. I noticed everyone with QD-OLED tends to settle at much higher paperwhites than WOLED users.

Specifically, Peak1000 mode on QD-OLED

[celest nest]

i'm on aw3423dw peak1000 and I prefer the standard paperwhites at around 200 🤷

[fringe agate]

Hmm maybe it's a thing with QD-OLED buyers then?

[lean hull]

Yeah, my paperwhite is at 236, too. I think that's the default it was?

[celest nest]

I know with ABL the highlights I'm seeing are probably nowhere near actual 1000 nits, and this might be why that background was uncomfortably bright to kal if his screen is actually brighter, but readability is a contrast thing isnt it. and the relative contrast should be the same on both screens

[lean hull]

I guess the idea is that if your text is higher luminance than what you're seeing at the bottom most of the time (where subs live), it'll add more readability?

But like I said, I'd rather just have a better outline, or shadow behind text.

Than just keep upping the text brightness.

Cause that's a band-aid, not a full fix, if at all.

[celest nest]

sure but i don't think even kal wanted to have text brighter than the brightest highlights? you'd have to completely destroy the hdr ingame first to achieve that, even with a separate UI brightness slider

[fringe agate]

Well, Kal pumped up the paperwhite because the UI was being lost against the highlights.

[celest nest]

my point is doing that makes it worse, not better

[fringe agate]

Yeah but it seems for him it made it better

He mentioned the compass before too

[celest nest]

that's what i struggle to understand - how? we have the same game

[fringe agate]

Which often would get lost against the sky specifically

[lean hull]

Yeah, that's what I meen that it's a band-aid fix, if any at all. At least from how I'm understanding it.

Just add a uniform outline and call it a day, it'll be fixed.

[fringe agate]

So who's gonna mod the font of the game?

XD

[celest nest]

right, but my point is how does this improve things as I can only see it making the issue worse. as in, not even close to a band-aid fix

[lean hull]

Band-aid fix in my eyes is if we're looking at subs in scenarios where the scene is darker/not max luminance/not similar luminance as w/e your text is, etc.

But then top of the HUD and otherwise? RIP.

[fringe agate]

Or just add a black background?

[weary ridge]

I have the HUD mostly turned off, especially the compass is annoying, turning off enemy hp bar is recommended too

[lean hull]

Funny thing is, Sony is pretty great with accessibility features but they dropped the ball for something this basic XD

[lean hull]

You can turn off compass, too? Nice.

Will do that.

[weary ridge]

you can yea

[lean hull]

As long as it shows up if I swipe up on my touch pad.

[weary ridge]

not sure about that

but I think that temporarily turns on all hud elements

[lean hull]

Yeah, it does with my current preset of 'explorer'.

[weary ridge]

this is one of those games where no HUD is a lot more immersive

[lean hull]

I played AW2 with HUD disabled.

[broken condor]

Exactly, you need the text to be at least as bright relative to the rest of the scene as it was in SDR.

Unless it's opaque, then the only thing you have to deal with is local dimming blooming

Really dark opaque UIs on top of bright scenes will just create halos on the text you want to read on local dimming screens.

Extremely thick drop shadows around UI text would also help

Or just invert the colors underneath the text, but you can't just dim the UI and then put a crazy bright scene underneath it 🙂

[celest nest]

I just don't understand how upping the UI brightness makes it better for you, not worse

I get that there ideally should be dark background under it, and text outline, all that, but I'm asking about the current situation where those things are missing and you saying that making the UI brighter makes it more readable

[amber badger]

I have no trouble with text in game on Woled, using 186 paper white, next one up was too bright

[broken condor]

UI's not bright enough, can't read any of those numbers

[raven bay]

Hello guys, I installed the Ershin's fix and it worked the first time but when I put it in windowed mode the brightness problem came back again, I tried to replace the two files again but it still looks dim. I've also noticed in the mod window that when I center the game, the brightness of the desktop darkens as well. I would appreciate it if someone could help me 🙂

[broken condor]

🤷 sounds like the game hasn't engaged HDR10 correctly.

You can force the game to use HDR10 with Special K

[celest nest]

hm is that happening just in windowed mode?

[celest nest]

in this case yeah i can see how brighter ui would improve things. because the background isnt close to peak here

[broken condor]

Oh man, don't tell me Nixxes screwed this up?

Where that black thing is, I imagine it's supposed to be a screenshot of the save file?

They aren't capable of screenshotting HDR?

[raven bay]

No, the problem started when I set the windowed mode, and now in any screen mode the problem occurs again as if I had not installed the fix

[broken condor]

Guess we gotta mod that for them too 😕

[broken condor]

I'd seriously suggest trying Special K in that case. It has the mod integrated, and can validate the display's in HDR mode proper. And can force override things if necessary.

Use the version from our Discord server, cause the website version is 6 months old, much older than this game 😛

[raven bay]

Also for a millisecond when I enter the game it looks correct but instantly it looks dim again

[broken condor]

Delete the .asi file if you do this, otherwise they'll both race to patch the game. The .asi will probably win that race.

[celest nest]

i doubt this is related to the fix at all

[broken condor]

Me either, I think it's conflicting non-HDR compatible software.

Like an overlay of some sort.

[celest nest]

curious, does it get brighter when you focus on another window?

[broken condor]

Which is why SK would help to diagnose this in a hurry

[celest nest]

they both do the same thing so doesn't matter if you run them both anyway

[raven bay]

I will try

[celest nest]

lol looks like it

[raven bay]

No, it doesn't, only when I minimize it

[celest nest]

🤷

[raven bay]

Where on the server is the download?

[broken condor]

#933778877996757033 message

[raven bay]

I don't have access

btw, is it a reshade preset?

[broken condor]

lol, no

https://discord.gg/specialk

[raven bay]

haha I have no idea

[broken condor]

It's the OG software for HDR on Windows. Before there was AutoHDR, there was SK.

[raven bay]

Interesting

[raven bay]

I've opened the game with Special K and and it's stuck on Waiting for the game...

[royal aurora]

put global injection delay to 0 :p

[broken condor]

That's weird. So I'm pretty sure you definitely have a third-party overlay causing problems.

[royal aurora]

had to do the same

[broken condor]

Default is 0.0

[royal aurora]

nah it showed as 0.0001 or something

in the config file

game wouldnt launch, changed to 0 and works fine again :p

you told me even 😄

#1220402379321770027 message

https://tenor.com/view/cat-licking-gif-15650487567340907664

[broken condor]

Yeah, that's the default. It was only 0.01 as default for a brief period.

[royal aurora]

hm weird, changed it after updating after reverting

[broken condor]

I suspect RTSS is maybe the reason the game's launcher is crashing. It's known to crash Nixxes launchers, it also is known to break HDR in games.

[royal aurora]

im using rtss as well, mainly for the fps overlay

might depend on its hook settings

[raven bay]

The game launches but Special K doesn't detect it

[broken condor]

Then it's pretty conclusively a third-party overlay breaking stuff, or you're running the game as admin for some unholy reason.

[raven bay]

I've suspected it too, that's why I closed it a while ago along with the msi afterburner

[raven bay]

I don't think I have any overlays unless it's the Windows Game Bar

[celest nest]

silly question but have you restarted the pc since this happened

also try toggling hdr off and back on in windows

[raven bay]

I tried both

I've tried minecraft and it works surprisingly

[raven bay]

Emulates HDR quite well

But there's no way to make it work on Horizon

[raven bay]

it's also not Nvidia, I never install Geforce Experience and I uninstalled the Nvidia App a few days ago

Well I'm going to sleep, tomorrow I'll continue to see how I fix it

[tulip canopy]

cya

[raven bay]

Thank you very much for your help btw 😁

[broken condor]

Post SpecialK.log and modules.log tomorrow. That'll tell you the overlay breaking your game.

[timber veldt]

Little question. I installed the hdr fix that you guys posted on the nexus. But im still quite new to hdr, despite owning my current monitor for over 2 years now.
Hfw is one of the few games that looks a little off for me, no matter which hdr setting i use.
Have to say, i havent played with the settings after installing of the mod, but might gonna do that after this message.
Still tho, my Gigabyte Aorus cv27f monitor can peak at 450 nits, and has display hdr 400. Yes i know its not the best hdr, and might even be considered fake hdr, but i purchased this monitor cause it was cheap, and better then my 21" philips monitor that i had before.

So does anyone have some values that i could try, that make the game not that bright? I mean more like hzd was in terms of brightness?

I read online that on the ps5 version we also could adjust the brightness slider on top of the hdr settings, but seemingly on the pc there isnt such a slider.

So thanks in advance

[tulip canopy]

I think the ps5 had a brightness and shadows setting

[timber veldt]

I read everwhere online that ps5 had both all the 4 hdr settings, and a separate brightness slider

But only played this on the ps4, and cannot recall what options it had there for my tv

Also for my tv, i know that it has hdr, but i dont know really the maximum nits, since i mainly dont play on it anymore

i believe its just 400 also

[tulip canopy]

Idk. Maybe it does. I know honkai star rail gives you the hdr options despite using system wide calibration.

So it's possible

Technically even hfw does this on pc

Because it's edid aware

The default peak white is your edid value

[timber veldt]

hmm, i forgot which default paper white hfw gave me. Any way i can check this default setting for my monitor?

btw, i ran the hdr calibration tool that can be found in the microsoft store for win 11

And this normally gives more or less the same result in every game that supports hdr

[rich lark]

I'd think you should install the fix, then in-game, put the "HDR Max Luminance" slider to 450 and leave everything else at default. If it still looks dim, you can start increasing the "HDR Paper White" slider.

I have no experience with your type of monitor but generally, once you've fixed any outright bugs and set the peak brightness to your monitor, usually you don't need to touch much else for a generally good picture.

[timber veldt]

Its not dim in my opinion, but too bright it seems. I mean, there is this sort of washed out feeling while also having the feeling that everything is too bright.
I have reset the graphic settings, and starting from scratch again. Also gonna play with the frame generation mod in combo with the dlss things, untill my new videocard arrives.

I might be able to find a setting that fits with this 🙂 So thanks for the suggestion @rich lark

[rich lark]

Washed out and overexposed still sounds weird for your display, I wonder what's going on.

[timber veldt]

this is how it looks now in Meridian. It feels washed out to me, but ofcourse, its in the middle of a desert, and its the middle of the day, so the sun burns and its portrayed realisticly.
However, i prefer the lightning of hzd i think in this case how meridian was. But it might be just a matter of taste.

I will post some more screenshots while i play, so then we might find out whats going on.

Videos i better not do, cause i simply dont like video recording, and dont have a good one with me

[rich lark]

Oh wow, that is very blown out, yeah.

[timber veldt]

Ima try disabling hdr, and post the result

its better, but i think i know the culprit

might be the auto hdr setting from windows

[rich lark]

Yeah you might be tonemapping twice

[timber veldt]

thats it without auto hdr from windows, and default hdr settings

it defaults at 427 nits and 236 paper and no boost

it is better, tho in the preview of hdr ingame, i dont see as much detail in the clouds for example as when i almost maximize the paper white

But @rich lark that last screenshot, is that more of how it is supposed to look or?

[rich lark]

Absolutely, compared to the one you first posted.

I don't know what's going on with all the ghosting though haha

[timber veldt]

Again, im quite new at hdr, and im saving money for an hdr600 or even higher monitor but first i really need to upgrade my gpu

hmm how can you see there is ghosting?

could it be cause i have overdrive enabled on my monitor? and set to picture quality?

[rich lark]

It's pretty apparent, but it might be just something with taking screenshots, if it looks fine in-game, I wouldn't try and focus on it.

[timber veldt]

i dont know actually how i can see whether its ghosting or not

so, can you elaborate a bit on that?

btw. switching to desktop app. Brb

back

[rich lark]

If you don't know how to check for ghosting, you don't really need to! You don't want to try and find problems. Just solve them if something bothers you.

[timber veldt]

Hmm, language barrier thingy maybe. Cause im dutch. Actually, what is ghosting at all. That might be better to ask for it. Cause i have read a lot about it, but dont know what it is, and actually see it

But based on your reaction, i see that its not nessicarely (forgive the spelling haha) a bad thing

wait a second!

i think i see it! Its in the clouds above the compass not?

[rich lark]

See here, you see two towers, instead of one. Something is going on, like the camera is moving fast and there's an after-image. But if it doesn't bother you in motion, you shouldn't worry about it. Just didn't expect to see it in a screenshot like that.

[timber veldt]

ah yes!

hmm that might be screenshot then

cause i dont have it ingame at all

but still, could it be cause of the overdrive set in my monitors osd?

[rich lark]

I can't really say, there's a lot of things at play here with frame-gen, screenshotting, motion and all. I'm out of my depth for your monitor type.

But there sure are people in this discord that'll look at your screenshots and go "Yep, I know exactly what's the problem" so you're in the right place.

[timber veldt]

speaking of monitors. If im going to upgrade, would the samsung odyssey g7 be a good one, or should i go for even better, despite the much higher cost?

[rich lark]

I play on a TV, so I'm out of the monitor game. I'd trust this site for budget-adjusted options: https://www.rtings.com/monitor

[timber veldt]

right, thats also an option to buy a smaller tv and use that as monitor

if i want like 40" at max, which hdr tv could suffice then?

[wooden oracle]

your game is hilariously broken if you're seeing duplicated objects like that. nothing to do with hdr or your monitor

[timber veldt]

like i said nukem, its only in the screenshot

i cannot see it ingame at all

[wooden oracle]

how are you capturing screenshots...?

[rich lark]

Yeah, not necessarily the HDR but we don't know how he's taking screenshots etc, frame-gen can do stuff like that.

[timber veldt]

i just press print screen tbh and then select the full image thing from win 11

[wooden oracle]

I'd use steam overlay (F12) or shadowplay if you can. whatever windows is doing with printscr is creating broken screenshots. they're useless for comparisons

[rich lark]

If he says it looks fine in motion while he plays. We shouldn't focus on it. The HDR is obviously broken in the first shot, and the shots after that are fine when it comes to general look of the image.

[timber veldt]

I not prefer steam overlay tbh. I always have it disabled cause most of my games run better when having it disabled

same goes for my nvidia overlay

only overlay that is working well is ubisofts one, and to some degree EA origins one

[rich lark]

And in this game, the achievement pop-ups ruin the immersion!

[timber veldt]

also true!

[wooden oracle]

if you don't care then sure. just make sure you don't go chasing down issues because of compromised screenshots rather than monitor issues

[timber veldt]

but again @rich lark since youre in the tv scene you said. Which brand of tv makers makes decent, and small hdr tv's? I mean, when sitting in front of a screen, i dont want a 65" screen, since then i gotta look left and right too much if you know what i mean

So, since im looking to get a better hdr monitor/tv, it might be worth looking to the tv market as well to put as primary display

but then like 40" max

maybe 42

[rich lark]

Well the obvious choice would be something like the 42" lg c2

[timber veldt]

i always thought that lg doesnt make good tv's. But i might be wrong there ofc

[rich lark]

They're pretty comfortable for gamers and for people wanting to use them as a PC monitor. But it's an OLED so that comes with it's own perks and quirks.

[timber veldt]

aye, i have read that oled requires you to once in a while refresh the pixels, or whatever its called?

A friend of mine wanted to buy the philips evnia oled monitor, but refrains from it cause it auto force the pixel refresh after 15 hours

honestly, i like oled from what ive seen. But cause of the quirks indeed, i also refrain from buying it for my tv/monitor for now

[rich lark]

Well, that's quite a good stretch.

[timber veldt]

ye, but he almost never turns off his monitor. And hes saying that when he plays straight for example for 15 hours, he would be annoyed by the auto forcing of the monitor

especially since it can take up to 15 minutes

i call him crazy for that, but on the other hand i can understand him

[rich lark]

This dude must run some high-class WoW raids.

[timber veldt]

true! He does actually, but not in wow anymore

you know, if you have a good normal led tv/monitor, with local dimming. Cant that be close to your average oled tv/monitor?

testing a new screenshot

and the ghosting is gone it seems

[rich lark]

Nothing can really reach OLED on it's strong suits, but sure, I've used a 2014 Panasonic TV as a monitor before. Generally though, in a reasonable budget range, you can find a good IPS or VA monitor.

[timber veldt]

mine is VA and was so much better then my old 21" philips one

[rich lark]

This looks a lot more normal compared to your first HDR screenshot

[timber veldt]

i loved my philips tho, but still. This was for me next level, untill i saw display hdr 1000 and above at some stores

but again, display hdr 1000 or above costs serious money

as much as a high end gpu

[rich lark]

Yes, and If I sit down with an old good MVA screen, in a couple of hours it looks really good to me. It's all a matter of perspective.

[timber veldt]

still tho, im a fan of bells and whistles. So might force myself to upgrade one day

But not to oled i think, at least, not yet

i do believe that one day we get a technique simular to oled, but without the need to refresh pixels

[rich lark]

Bells and whistles are why we are on this server! But it's all a balancing-act between budget, preference and common sense.

[timber veldt]

Indeed! Budget wise tho, i experienced for the worse that its better to invest in decent stuff, rather then going for to sit on the first row for a penny if you can.

Cause investing serious money into good stuff always pays off later

[rich lark]

Of course, there is a saying: "The poor man can't afford to buy cheap stuff"

[timber veldt]

I mean, take a look at my home cinema setup. I had onboard sound for a while on my first pc's. Then moved back to soundblaster which i even had on my very first 386 pc. But i had crap speakers. So i bought a philips all in one 5.1 which was awesome but died last year. Then i had the choice between that fancy logitech z906 or whatever it was. Or the edifier s760d, or go for a seperate reciever and high end speakers.

I settled for the middle option, cause it was the best of both worlds without having to pay the jackpot

and i never regretted it ever sincer

[rich lark]

Absolutely, with audio, the mid-level has gotten very good.

[timber veldt]

still payed 650 euro for it, but these speakers are heavy! My sub weighs around 30kg, and my center around 4 or 5.

Satelites also around 2 to 3

So very decent! 🙂

the postman wasnt happy when he had to carry the package up the stairs

[rich lark]

And for the same price, most livingrooms end up having a single soundbar.

[timber veldt]

that i have, but with sub for the tv in the bedroom

first had it for the tv in the living room, but i notice that i watch more tv from bed, so wanted better sound there

and still that 140 euro soundbar does a damn well job!

[rich lark]

Even the built-in speakers on a lot of modern TV's sound very good these days

Audio gear is in a pretty good place for consumers.

[timber veldt]

true that! tho the difference between soundbars and built in speakers, is huge imo. At least between my sony tv in the living room, and the samsung soundbar

[rich lark]

Of course, nothing beats physical space.

[timber veldt]

hehe 🙂 Now only wait 2 more months for my new gpu (rtx 4070 ti super) and then im in for a blast the upcoming years gaming wise, even with my hdr400 monitor 🙂

btw, can we talk about spoilers for hwf here in this server?

[rich lark]

Your monitor will play those games great.

I'm not sure, I'm personally just past the intro so I'll be out for that one!

[timber veldt]

i did completed hfw on the ps4, but i cannot remember anymore if that sunkings second in command, blameless whatever hes called again turned hostile later

might have to check that online tho

Now this is what i want to see! Its from a cutscene tho, but finally it looks like ive found the perfect settings

[rich lark]

Nothing looks wrong there!

[timber veldt]

Indeed! Thats what i thought as well. Default hdr settings, only with highlight boost maxed out. Might gonna raise the shadow boost by 1 or 2, cause i love the big contrast difference. But ye, i think that disabling auto hdr on windows did the trick

[celest nest]

just make sure to hide them in spoiler tags

[devout hazel]

Still no official patch jesus..

[tawdry delta]

they need sony to pay 5 more people a yearly salary

to fix something that takes 30 seconds by 1 person

they know about the issue too

[thick salmon]

Please keep in mind that a patch often aims to fix more issue than one. That requires extensive QA testing before releasing the patch. Also, it's been around 5 working days since launch... would honestly cut them some slack and give them a bit more time

Would rather they fix this good than causing other issues as collateral

[tawdry delta]

they already released a hotfix and said this wasnt a priority issue

also QA testing would've been handy before release

of the game

[thick salmon]

The hotfix was of issues already on their known issues list, so work likely already started on that. Who said this wasn't a priority issue?

An official from Sony or Nixxes?

[tawdry delta]

their employee in directx discord

i think kaldaien posted it here

somewhere

anyways if it isn't fixed by Friday Nixxes is a joke of a company to me

[thick salmon]

#1220402379321770027 message

It doesn't say it doesn't have priority, just not for a hotfix

[tawdry delta]

yea, as if there are more glaring issues with easier fixes to prioritize

[thick salmon]

Likely honestly

[tawdry delta]

fixing hdr probably requires the least effort for the biggest improvement

[thick salmon]

Like the controller issues in their last hotfix

Lets try to stay constructive

[broken condor]

I've gotta beg to differ with you on this one 🙂
It's a one-line code fix.

There's no simpler fix that will improve your game more.

[tawdry delta]

? youre completely agreeing with me

thats what im saying

[broken condor]

Yeah, I missed the first two words 🙂

Changed the tone of that message

[tawdry delta]

unpaid Ersh in free time vs entire Sony funded company

who wins

[celest nest]

i'd be very pissed if I hadn't fixed it

lol

i'd still be waiting to play

[tawdry delta]

yea

its kinda pathetic tbh

devs cry about being overworked

what are they working on

its a one line code fix

[broken condor]

At least they fixed the gamepad bug.
They clearly never tested their game without Steam Input breaking it 🙂

[celest nest]

I mean. I'm sure it's already fixed internally

question is, why isnt it pushed as a hotfix

[tawdry delta]

I wonder if competent devs share the overworked sentiment

or if work is just hard when youre underqualified

[thick salmon]

@novel storm can give some enlightenment into this

Because I'm of the opinion that your statements are incredibly short-sighted

[broken condor]

DatTestBench's?

[tawdry delta]

possibly

idk have people like John Carmack ever complained

[broken condor]

About his work? No? About Samsung, yes 🙂

[thick salmon]

You know, a fulltime actual game-developer....

[tawdry delta]

you downvote me but theres obviously incompetent workers in the industry

lets not pretend everyone does a great job

i just wonder who is complaining

[broken condor]

I know hwo he is, I just thought you were being insulting by summoning him here and then saying you're ov the opinion that his statemetns are incredibly short-sighted 😛

[lavish vessel]

Off the top of my head, Reflex and Framegen don't work correctly, upscaling degrades image quality, I've seen people reporting stability issues

[tawdry delta]

its just weird

is Sony rushing some deadline for a PC release

which has existed on PS5 for years

[lavish vessel]

The port took a year to develop

[tawdry delta]

and the engine isnt new to PC

does it take 2 years to properly make a port?

of which the previous game on same engine was already ported

[lavish vessel]

Video games are incredibly complex pieces of software and PC are difficult to develop to multitudes of hardware configurations, low level APIs makes things even more difficult for devs, and it's a vast different version of the engine from Zero Dawn, an engine NOT designed for PC first and foremost

[tawdry delta]

it was released on PS5 Feb 2022, so in development before that. Sony could've started a lot earlier, or just delayed the release if it wasnt ready

so they wait a year after PS5 release until they start developing PC port

and stick to some deadline that isnt necessary

what is the best case scenario and conditions needed to not release a buggy port

[lavish vessel]

Infinite time and money

[tawdry delta]

Sony has more of that than most

They're used to not releasing on PC at all

I don't get the time constraint and waiting til last minute

[lavish vessel]

Tell it to the bean counters

Video games are a business first and foremost

[tawdry delta]

why did they wait a year after PS5 to even start developing the port if theyre in a hurry lol

[lavish vessel]

Nixes were given a budget and deadline before they even started working on the port

[novel storm]

I mean, I don't know about why this happened either lol

[lavish vessel]

Because Nixxes were busy with Spider-man and Ratchet and Clank?

[novel storm]

But if they are in fact just overwritting their correctly working slider with 300, it's a bit of a headscratcher lol

[lavish vessel]

Bugs happen

[fringe agate]

Probably management having a stubborn idea

Management says: this is not a critical issue, we'll put it in the larger patch. Devs are like: ok if you say so

End of story

[celest nest]

so blame management (like always)

[novel storm]

It is amusing it hasn't been pushed as a hotfix indeed. But there's like a million factors that could have caused it not to go in yet so

[fringe agate]

And if there are incompetent people around, that's a problem of management either hiring wrong or not doing something about it. But Nixxes is a small and focussed studio so I doubt that

[fringe agate]

Am not blaming them, an putting the responsibility at their feet. Maybe they got a good reason or a bad one. But I don't believe this is somehow the fault of 1 programmer who just can't find the issue or is lazy

[novel storm]

has someone tried sending them an email saying

- peakBrightness = 300;
``` yet ![wew](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/552592754551554147.webp?size=128 "wew")

[tawdry delta]

idk what can be blamed besides incompetent QA

[novel storm]

Shit happens

[tawdry delta]

and then theres lack of urgency and priority when knowing about the issue

when its so easy to fix

[novel storm]

It's funny because it's such a silly mistake but I really wouldn't read too much into it

[celest nest]

bold of you to assume that qa tests hdr

😄

[fringe agate]

Exactly, we got a mod that fixes it in the meantime. And they'll for sure push a patch at some point.

[novel storm]

Let alone knows what to look for if they did

[tawdry delta]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/2420110/discussions/0/4292566217060061628/

[novel storm]

To answer the original question (obligatory I can only speak for myself). There's always more things to do than what you have time for.
I doubt that's what matters here since it's such a simple problem though.
The difference between having more work in the backlog than what you have time for, and being over worked, is what the expectations are from higher up. There's always stuff that will be left on the cutting room floor, it's just a matter of whether the powers that be deem that acceptable or not.
Not that that's relevant to any of this though.

[tawdry delta]

they could have fixed it with less typing than this community post

which doesnt even list it or the workaround

[novel storm]

I hope the poor community manager isn't the one tasked with fixing the HDR

[tawdry delta]

theyre qualified

send the email

if only a single employee cared about hdr at all

it wouldnt have been an issue in the first place

anyways gtg

[novel storm]

Send them a nice support ticket about it if you want to improve the chances of them prioritizing it (emphasis on nice, frontline support gets abused enough already)

[pallid hawk]

They probably won't release a patch with just HDR fix. This memory leak or whatever over time is real. Fps drops bad. And also i believe the dlss codes are also flawed.

So the patch might be fixing all these

[timber veldt]

I had that memory leak too 😦 But simply saving, quitting the game and restarting the game helped here.
As well you might want to reboot your system to soft reset your ram, but that shouldnt be needed i think.

[broken condor]

Just give it a good scrubbing with a cloth, works just as well.

[pallid hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582

[thick salmon]

Sorry, might have been a bit blunt in giving my opinion. But thought instead of having a back and forth it would have been good to get the insight from someone actually working in the field. But should have done that without giving my opinion so bluntly.

[thick salmon]

Assuming they started working immediately through the SteamDB branches, it would have been a good 11 months, but I assume a lot of time could have been already spent on this beforehand.

[thick salmon]

Likely they awaited post-release updates for the original version to not have to update the whole codebase they were working from mid-development

[thick salmon]

Debug code? Like previously suggested...

[thick salmon]

That was my point too

To keep impartiel, I have to say I'm also annoyed by Nixxes never fixing the environmentdestruction animations being sped up above 60 FPS. All Insomniac Games PC ports (Spider-man games and R&C) suffer from that. It was never fixed so far, but all 3 games show SteamDB activity, so fingers crossed. Also, bullet decals haven't been working since the last R&C patch from September last year. Been waiting 6 months for them so far to fix that haha. Was playing other games anyways but will honestly only go back when that is finally fixed, although I know it is only a minor thing actually.

So, yeah, Nixxes is not perfect, but to imply that only the incompetent workers would possibly ever be saying they are overworked.... not sharing that sentiment

But let it be known; if I'm talking about my opinion/sentiment, it is thus just my own opinion. Please then never feel pushed to agree with me just because I'm a moderator here.

[celest nest]

oh right the ragdolls are sped up in spiderman, right? too weighty or something

I remember reading about that, I thought they were supposed to be "stylized" like that lol

[pallid hawk]

Fixing memory leak bug (if it exists) would be a hard task i think. Memory management in programming languages is hard is what I've learnt. Same is for graphics language too i think. Correct me if I'm wrong. Glad to learn.

Thats probably why theyre taking time to release next update

[broken condor]

Doubt that means anything. Special K has SteamDB activity to this day, but was deslisted from Steam 4 years ago.

[thick salmon]

I mean SteamDB activity as in branches are actively being pushed new builds to. Not those generic Steam changes.

[thick salmon]

Yeah, looks really strange, but is actually just sped up animations it seems

[thick salmon]

Yeah, thought that too, till someone on Steam pointed out it wasn't like that on PS4

[topaz horizon]

FSR 3.1 I'd have to imagine.

[thick salmon]

Seems a bit long time of work for months of SteamDB activity, especially as the baseline is already there with DLSS FG. So, expect it to be more than just FSR 3.0 or 3.1

[topaz horizon]

AMD use R&C for the test footage of FSR3.1, to me they have been working with them in implementing 3.1 well before release

[novel storm]

If there's a marketing deal involved it would be more than worthwhile enough to bother with that much work.
Especially since FSR 3.1 changes the way engines interface with FSR

[thick salmon]

Yeah, but mean it likely isn't JUST FSR 3.1... at least I hope so

[shrewd breach]

Anyone notice upping the paper white beyond 300 makes a noticeable difference?

Using sdr as a color reference....clouds aren't blown out but nice and punchy. You guys still recomend 200 300 paper white?

[celest nest]

are you basing this on the screenshot in the calibration screen? because it doesn't work properly

it's clipping at paperwhite, which would match what you're saying

[broken condor]

Paperwhite needs to be high in this game, but not THAT high and not for the reasons the calibration screen leads you to believe.

[shrewd breach]

@celest nest my tv is 1926 nits...so I used the game....I see pebbles on the beach in the main menu. The machines at night literally glow like a flashlight....and not all blown out. Shit is crazy. Besides doom...I think its pretty good

[celest nest]

with default paperwhite yea?

[shrewd breach]

Nope. 600

Or 700

[celest nest]

try default too if you havent tried it

don't base what you're doing on the calibration screen as it's useless

[shrewd breach]

I have 236? Tied it

[celest nest]

alright. and higher's better for you?

[shrewd breach]

Balance is better for me. You know the waves on the beach in the main menu...well, I see the ripples in the white crest. I guess just keep that in mind when someone has a 2k nit screen.❤

[celest nest]

yea i imagine it must be different on 2k peak, 700 would be way too much for a 1k screen like mine

[shrewd breach]

Its fukn dumb bro...the blue machine light are light beacons in the distance. Its fukn cool.

So your paper white is probably 320?

@celest nest so your 1k screen....your paper white is probably at 350 to 320ish.

Is that correct for your personal settings?

[celest nest]

i'm fine with the default even

[weary ridge]

236 is the correct setting, rising it to around 300-400 is okay i guess, but 600-700? It doesn't really matter that your screen can output 2000 nits. But you do you

[shrewd breach]

@weary ridge well that's why I'm here...to learn. If the white was to high...I'd blow out....right?

[weary ridge]

you are rising the average picture brightness with paper white

[celest nest]

nope, it wouldnt. everything is just brighter while the peak stays the same, so you're kinda reducing the range

the blowout should only happen if you raise either past your screen's capabilities

[shrewd breach]

@weary ridge yea, but you can offset that undesirable effect by upping the highlight boost. The boost actually darkens the screen

I'll play with it I guess...gotta make dinner

[weary ridge]

But you are reducing the peak brightness range. If you are playing in a bright room, then find a semi-dark location in-game, and rise paper white until you can clearly see the game without reflections etc. If you are in a dark room, then just leave it at the default settings imo.

[shrewd breach]

@weary ridge I actually did that. Found a dark spot and found a setting of minus 2 on the shadows adjustment slider. But to your point...you mean reflections like from lightning in the room on the screen?

And then for the brightness. I zoomed in on some nice clouds and keeping as much detail as possible, came to the 600 700 paper white figure. Or by logic. If someone has double the nits of 1k a 2k screen would be near 460

[celest nest]

what was the highlights slider value while you were checking otu the clouds?

maybe a non-default one is messing with the results a bit

[celest nest]

Or by logic. If someone has double the nits of 1k a 2k screen would be near 460
doesn't work that way, if you have double the peak brightness it doesn't really change anything about your paperwhite. it just means you can have more range

[weary ridge]

With higher peak brightness the difference between the dimmest and brightest highlights can be greater. Rising the paper white level compresses this range and you loose highlight contrast.

[weary ridge]

Yea I mean reflections on the screen from light sources/windows.

[shrewd breach]

@celest nest I settled on 3 or 4 for the highlight slider

[lavish vessel]

Semi HDR related, but dropping shadows to medium disables the rim lighting in gameplay
Very High
https://justiniacobell.is/wp/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Screenshot_2024-03-28_00-39-39.png
Medium
https://justiniacobell.is/wp/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Screenshot_2024-03-28_00-40-25.png

[fringe agate]

That's actually great xD

Hate how so many games put hero lighting on characters so they look like lanterns in the shade

[mellow spear]

new patch apparently fix the hdr luminance and frame gen 🙏🏼

[tulip canopy]

Yay

[vital quartz]

Cool 👍🏻 source?

Oooh

https://twitter.com/NixxesSoftware/status/1773332641053306981

Nixxes Software (@NixxesSoftware) on X

Horizon Forbidden West Complete Edition 1.0.43.0 Release Notes

Twitter · Mar 28, 2024, 12:53 PM

[celest nest]

ay nice

[tulip canopy]

Noooo ersh's mod broke 😔

[foggy dragon]

So Ersh's mod is no longer necessary? Did they correctly resolve their bug?

[celest nest]

yeah

[foggy dragon]

Thank you for making us play in the best conditions since last weekend.
And thank you for this feedback 😉

[weak creek]

Yep, many thanks to @celest nest for your work on the patch, along with all the good advice here in this forum. 🙂

[celest nest]

thanks 🙂

[tough terrace]

is it just me or is there like a color shift to hdr in this game?

sdr

hdr

these images are in sdr but i can upload jxr but in hdr it looks like the wall is covered in chicken salt

has anyone else noticed this?

[tough terrace]

i think i reduced it abit by using pumbo advhdr shader and puting saturation to 0.95

[weary ridge]

nope, that looks very wrong

[tough terrace]

the 2nd picture is default hdr with no sk or reshade or anything

[weary ridge]

with the default hdr settings?

[tough terrace]

the highlight is on 10 and paper white 236 and peak 980

[weary ridge]

what about the calibrated windows hdr profile?

did you rise saturation ?

[tough terrace]

just a 980 nit

nah

but ill double check

[weary ridge]

then idk it shouldn't look that I think, or well I don't remember it to be that yellow

[tough terrace]

i thought the fire in this game had a green tint to it so i looked on youtube and saw the same thing so i thought it was something about the color grading

[weary ridge]

sunset/sunrise is very orange but it does not look like this

[tough terrace]

the sun looks fine

but some surfaces look like a completely different color

like sand and stuff

[idle zinc]

I’ve noticed that too, but only in the town of Barren Light. Looks like that’s where you are though? I just assumed it was a gamut fuckup of some kind with the lighting there

[tough terrace]

and fire has a green tint to it

[weary ridge]

hmm I don't remember the green tint

[tough terrace]

its very faint

[weary ridge]

but I will double check it

[tough terrace]

but ill try get pictures

ye still happens after i got rid of my calibration profile

[wide schooner]

So the update fixed it 100%?

[tough terrace]

this is after i remove the profile and it has reduce it like a little bit?

still looks off a bit

[weary ridge]

it looks a lot better

[tough terrace]

still kinda looks off though or is it just me

like compared to sdr

[weary ridge]

SDR is very flat

so idk

[tough terrace]

i think it might be something to do with the auto exposure

but idk i think ill run with just a tad lower saturation just wondered if anyone else noticed it

[pallid hawk]

Off topic: Did the patch solve fps drops and memory leaks?

Anyone tested thorough?

[grand yacht]

Haven't got home yet to test but is the Ultra Wide UI fixed in the patch?

[thick salmon]

Very nice and also quite some good other fixes.

[thick salmon]

It mentions "Various crash fixes and stability improvements." in the changelog, so maybe, but have not test data on it.

[thick salmon]

Don't think so, the changelog makes no mention of it

[devout hazel]

NICEE FINALLY I CAN PLAY without downloading 3rd party files

[thin hatch]

Should we delete the HDR fix now with the new patch?

[celest nest]

yup

[amber badger]

THEY FIXED IT?

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-dance-dancingbaby-baby-toddler-gif-3969753711315515487

Changelog "'Copy pasted @celest nest HDR fix into game files'' lol

[celest nest]

that would've taken more effort than the actual fix 😄

[amber badger]

Just verifying game files to be sure, wonder how it's gonna look vs your ''method''and having a working calibration screen

[celest nest]

it's the same

calibration screen is still useless

[amber badger]

Oh seriously? I thought they fixed it?

[celest nest]

nah they fixed the slider

it's the exact same thing i did, there can't be any difference as i wasn't doing anything hacky in the first place anyway

[devout hazel]

What is your recommendation for HDR SHADOW BOOST

HDR HIGHTLIGHT BOOST

for LG OLED G1 TV

Thanks

[amber badger]

Ah gotcha, so the HDR now works but the calibration screen is still fucked?

[celest nest]

basically nothing changed if you had the fix

[amber badger]

Copy, cheers

[celest nest]

i'm not sure. i think the game crushes blacks in certain scenes with the default settings, but I haven't really tested if changing these is ideal

[hearty ferry]

this is some kind of werewolf, so hairy

[celest nest]

lol these gotta be some kind of very specific lighting conditions 😄 never seen that

[devout hazel]

Highlight boost from 1-10 make cloud loose details. Only -9 had perfect detail dunno why its broken like that. Default 0 is also bad

[celest nest]

make sure not to look at the calibration screen image though

[devout hazel]

Why

then how i will calibrate to my liking

[celest nest]

the screen is broken and useless for calibration, it doesn't go above paperwhite

use the game itself. annoying yes i know

[devout hazel]

😒

[amber badger]

Welp, getting higher frames in ||plainsong || and no more FPS dips during cutscene convos. But i do now get 40 fps drops in ||plainsong|| which didnt happen before .. hopefully it's a temporary thing.

[fringe agate]

what vram do you have as well as what resolution+texture quality?

[amber badger]

3080 10GB running at 4K, textures on high, using dynamic res at 90

Didnt have this issue FPS drop issue before this patch

[fringe agate]

2 possibilities, you're running out of vram, or the game is recompiling shaders due to the update

[amber badger]

yeah lets hope its the second

[devout hazel]

Wow the graphics.. its immensely better then hzd. On par with cp2077 without RT. Just wow

Loving my old rusty G1 oled again 😅

[sonic pawn]

It’s among the best looking games ever made

[thin hatch]

Yeah it’s gorgeous

[weary ridge]

it surpasses cp2077 in asset and model quality imo

or even animation

[devout hazel]

Yeah the longer i play,the longer i simply adore it. Best 60$ of my life

Had some rough AAAA 70$ pirate game experience cough cough😷

[weary ridge]

Omg, yea the first true AAAA game hahaha... I have gamepass but I didnt install it, even for free.

[thin hatch]

Anyone know what the second update today did? There was the major one this morning and a small one like an hour ago

[fringe agate]

actually, both games have pretty mid material and texture work due to being open world

[weary ridge]

HFW's looks really high qualtiy for an open world game

but the foliage density is even more impressive

the only game which surpasses it is Alan Wake 2

[fringe agate]

geomtrical density is impressive, as well as animations

but the post processing is what does it for me, idk what theyu do but it just looks so pleasing

[weary ridge]

and their TAA solution too

[fringe agate]

decima TAA is top notch

Death stranding also had a super clean TAA

[weary ridge]

oh yea

can't wait for Death Stranding 2

the trailer looked very impressive

[fringe agate]

same, am literally rewatching the trailers every now and then

can't wait to try it on my oled

[celest nest]

it was bad in hzd tho

[fringe agate]

yeah true

[celest nest]

very shimmery on grass, to the point that i preferred dlss quality just to not have it (back when dlsstweaks didnt exist)

[novel storm]

It was bad in Forbidden West at launch too

[weary ridge]

I'm yet to replay the first game on PC

[weary ridge]

you mean on console? yea but only in performance mode

[thick salmon]

Yup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNXLZ-mkrHs

[thin hatch]

Rebirth’s performance mode is even worse than FW’s performance mode at launch. Really hope it gets patched up like FW did

[lavish vessel]

Rebirth has opposite problem, FW TAA barely did anything but Rebirth TAA is too aggressive for ~ 1080p resolution of the performance mode

Out of the two evils, I prefer Rebirth approach as blur > aliasing, but neither is perfect

[thin hatch]

Nah man, sorry but Rebirth looks absolutely terrible right now (in performance mode)

Egregious

[topaz horizon]

yeah but FW looked like ass in the perf. mode

I played it at 30FPS it looked so ass

[thin hatch]

That’s what I said. They both were terrible at launch

I have to play Rebirth at 30fps too. Performance is a muddy clusterfuck of awful

[vital quartz]

How does DLAA stack up vs. TAA in this?

[celest nest]

dlaa is great

[weary ridge]

Distant LOD quality is better with DLAA, but TAA is sharper and it seems to smooth out a lot more edges up-close

[royal aurora]

Anyone else experiencing these checkerboard things? using a 4090 so its not a vram issue, only game this happens in as well, still using 537.58 driver.

And only on some ui things, nothing ingame

[fringe agate]

looks like unstable vram

[thick salmon]

You're using a quite old GPU-driver and have visual issues. Guess what advise I would give you.... 😉

[royal aurora]

😄

[fringe agate]

or that

I didnb't even notice that that driver is ancient by now

[royal aurora]

it was so solid tho

[thick salmon]

Couldn't reproduce this today while playing

[royal aurora]

are the newest ones any good?

[fringe agate]

ye but the issues have been resolved for over a month now

[royal aurora]

oh

found a couple posts on steam like that but it seems they have been deleted

or they installed the newest driver :p

ah well fuck it, might as well 🙂

[thick salmon]

Yeah, if you run into problems, you can always download the old one again

[royal aurora]

true

[thick salmon]

That's why I honestly never get why people seem to holy believe in not updating their GPU-drivers haha, but that is just my opinion

[royal aurora]

just being lazy :p

[fringe agate]

well, that specific driver is the last one before a bunch of bad drivers came out with horrible stutter issues

[thick salmon]

Or a bit too overly cautious

[royal aurora]

stripping them with nvcleaninstall, ddu, configuring the control panel again, sometimes i cba and just wait a few months :p

[fringe agate]

I used it for a while too, but when it got fixed I updated rigth away

[thick salmon]

Was it really that prevalent in that many games? Feels a bit to me like people are often exaggerating these issues. Again, just personal opinion.

[royal aurora]

didnt know that

i just go by peoples comments on reddit

[thick salmon]

I usually just download the drivers from Nvidia and just hit the clean install option, never run into an issue

[fringe agate]

no I noticed it a lot, felt like it was stuttering by an extra 16ms every second or so

[royal aurora]

id rather get rid of ansel, telemetry and the whole shebang

[thick salmon]

😂 not a particularly great idea haha

[royal aurora]

well they did praise that driver :p

back in the day lol

[thick salmon]

And DDU did not solve it?

[thick salmon]

Your good right of course, personally don't give a penny about it

[fringe agate]

nope

because it was a driver issue

the next driver introduced support for DWM 3.0, which had some broken compat

[thick salmon]

That's supposed to mean something? 😛

[royal aurora]

haha

got any reliable sources when new drivers launch to see if theyre good? or just try and see

[thick salmon]

compat

[fringe agate]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/1apuyie/game_ready_driver_55152_faqdiscussion/

this one

fixed it

[thick salmon]

Good/bad is not black and white with GPU-drivers; every driver fixes issues, but likely also introduces new ones. "Bad Reddit drivers" are likely just the ones where a bug didn't stay under the Reddit-radar

[royal aurora]

i see

[thick salmon]

Because if the full internal Nvidia known issues list would be released with every release, Reddit would likely say every driver release is bad hahaha

[thick salmon]

Ohhhhh, see, was only with Vsync enabled... hence I never had the issue

Although I indeed had the scrolling webbrowser issue and noticed it got solved a while later

[fringe agate]

well, you should be using vsync if you got a vrr display, which am sure you have

[thick salmon]

Yup, Gsync enabled, 240 Hz display

[fringe agate]

then enable Vsync too and cap like 5 fps below refresh

in nvcp

or sk

[thick salmon]

Only have Gsync on and never notice tearing so never enabled Gsync

[fringe agate]

or whatever your poison is

[thick salmon]

Why 5 FPS below? Vsync would already limit the FPS to your native refresh rate right?

[broken condor]

VSYNC's not a framerate limiter.

[thick salmon]

And not allow it to go above that

[fringe agate]

I see kal typing xD

I let him explain

[thick salmon]

I've awoken the beast

Kal, destroy me

[broken condor]

By the time VSYNC causes the game to limit your framerate, you've queued multiple frames worth of latency

The GPU has like 2 frames worth of undisplayed work it has to do because you let VSYNC limit your framerate

Whereas a framerate limiter prevents that.

CPU's never more than 1 frame ahead of the GPU.

[thick salmon]

So, only Vsync instead of framerate limiter under your refresh rate is only for latency reduction?

And the reason why I never notice tearing with only Gsync enabled while Vsync is off is because the tearing would likely only display at the top of the screen right?

[broken condor]

No tearing with GSYNC enabled but VSYNC off is only something you'll experience if you're not able to draw faster than refresh rate

If you're able to draw a frame at or above refresh rate while VSYNC is off, GSYNC will tear.

You will avoid VSYNC latency in that case, but you'll also get a screen tear. Not a particularly useful trade 🙂
If you capped lower than refresh rate, you'd always have GSYNC latency and no tearing.

[thick salmon]

My experience like 99% of the time luckily

Someone else tried to explain Gsync + Vsync in the past and to my knowledge acted like Vsync was mandatory to avoid screen tear at all frame rates

And that it would then display at the top of the screen

Always found that explanation to be weird

Ok, to solve this once and for all for me, what are the exact functions and differences of Gsync vs Vsync? Gsync thus syncs the monitor refresh rate to the output frame rate of the GPU right? And Vsync thus syncs the output frame rate of the GPU with the monitor refresh rate right?

Why not always then just use Gsync enabled + Vsync disabled + frame rate limiter a few FPS under the maximum refresh rate of your monitor?

Why would Vsync be really needed?

Sorry for acting like a noob regarding this, always had difficulties with this subject haha

[mint crystal]

Hmm. I already can mod the shaders....

[rose sail]

is it that weird matrix 👀

[mint crystal]

It is. I was thinking maybe it's bradford or Kies adaptation on bt709 or DCI p3

[rose sail]

no

lol

#1220484725219659787 message

[mint crystal]

I didn't dump all the shaders, but if they used ACES there should be a chroma adaption

[rose sail]

have you even seen what I just posted 🙃

[mint crystal]

I did. But aren't the primaries close to bt709?

[rose sail]

a mix of BT.709 and DCI-P3

[royal aurora]

installed 551.86 and the graphical glitches are gone ❤️

[rose sail]

I also reconstructed the matrix with D65 white point and it's the same

also since it's BGR and not RGB the luminance vector is applied wrongly

[mint crystal]

I'm biased because I was working with illuminants today and figured it might be close. Or maybe they do what Cyberpunk also tried to do and add saturation/color filter over matrix

[rose sail]

if this doesn't make sense to you:
a RGB<->RGB or RGB<->XYZ or w/e matrix includes the white point

[rose sail]

it reduces every channel lol

[mint crystal]

So maybe color grading? Like maybe the LUT has no coloring and they want a filter applied globally? But then why even use a LUT

[rose sail]

but why ignore it in SDR?

or I assume branching is for SDR and HDR

[mint crystal]

Maybe their HDR is stretched and it undoes the contrast and saturation from image stretching

[rose sail]

also blue and red primaries are reduced over even BT.709 I think

[rose sail]

I guess
still that luminance vector is in the wrong order lol

and it does not match the primaries

[mint crystal]

Maybe their HDR screen wasn't calibrated and they made a matrix to make it look like SDR. 😅

[broken condor]

GSYNC forces an immediate screen refresh, VSYNC waits until the fixed-refresh blanking at the end of a screen refresh.
Within VRR window, you can always force an immediate screen refresh without tearing. If you're rendering faster than VRR window, then a GSYNC-forced refresh will immediately tear. VSYNC prevents that tearing by never allowing GSYNC to activate when you're rendering at or faster than refresh rate.

If you just use a framerate limiter to stay below the point where VSYNC stops GSYNC from working, now you've always got VRR active with no tearing. So minimum latency, no tearing, all is well 🙂

[dark crane]

I'm trying to run HFW but every time I enable HDR I get this error.

[rose sail]

do what it says I guess?
RTSS / MSI afterburner or any other stuff like that running?

[dark crane]

I just installed RTX HDR using the Nvidia app, enabled it and I have also disabled Windows Auto HDR. It seems to be working fine on Windows, but when I launch the game it seems to crash.

Well, steam and nvidia over lay I would assume.

[rose sail]

then it's probably RTX HDR?

[fringe agate]

don't use RTX HDR

[dark crane]

Well I installed RTX HDR AFTER it was still already giving me the errors today morning.

So doubt that's the issue.

[fringe agate]

also, where do you enable HDR?

[broken condor]

Heh, that god damn problem.

[fringe agate]

just make sure it's not enabled for this game

[broken condor]

Nixxes Streamline integration is BAD

[dark crane]

Disable this then?

[rose sail]

don't use fullscreen 😉

[fringe agate]

that fullscreen is actually borderless fulscreen

[broken condor]

Turn HDR on in the launcher, yes. Don't do it in-game, because overlays can hold references to the Streamline Native SwapChain that don't get released by the Proxy SwapChain.
Long story short, all of those problems are caused by sl.interposer.dll

[fringe agate]

keep it on here, the one in the nvidia app

[broken condor]

The game creates a new SwapChain when you change HDR settings in-game.

Streamline interposer makes that likely to fail because of third-party overlays.

The interposer is only needed for frame generation, so if you don't intend to use it, go ahead and delete it and get better software compatibility.

[rose sail]

no borderless option?

[fringe agate]

that is the borderless option

[rose sail]

ok

[broken condor]

If Nixxes would just use 10-bpc in SDR and HDR, they wouldn't even have to create a new SwapChain. It's maddening that they don't.

They could just change the active colorspace on the fly

[lavish vessel]

@dark crane
https://steamcommunity.com/app/2420110/discussions/0/4292566217059195222/

[broken condor]

Not to mention, 10-bpc SDR would be friendlier to RTX HDR and the like. So if they screw up HDR in future games, it's a little bit less of a problem 🙃

[dark crane]

Ahh that's what was happening actually, changing mid game was crashing the game. But sometimes it would also just not launch.

[dark crane]

Legend mate, ty!

Also I think HDR is working for me. I just never hopped into the game to test it properly and I forget I have to max out my brightness to actually see the HDR. I was on low brightness prior. Noobie mistakes.

[copper frigate]

uh what happened

did they fix HDR?

[broken condor]

Yes

[copper frigate]

cool, so 1000 nits is working

[broken condor]

Well, as fixed as it's ever going to get 😕
The calibration screen's still broken.

Thankfully they use real numbers, lol.

[copper frigate]

nice

[broken condor]

So, for most people, they already know their display's capabilities and can put in appropriate numbers by hand even though the calibration image won't reflect the actual tonemapping.

My own suggestion is to lower max luminance by 10% and increase paper white by 10% (vs. what you'd typically use), I'm finding the game's UI is constantly being drawn over really bright landscape and clouds and hard to read.

[willow phoenix]

Newbie question: how would I find out if the game stutters because of FG and Reflex? I keep reading about it, and my game feels slightly off to me, although it could be my imagination. 4080, core i5 13600k. All maxed up, DLAA with FG. Screen capped at 100hz and fps capped at 97 through NVCP. Anyone has a link to a video demonstrating the camera stutter? Even in the DF video, it really doesn’t look obvious.

[broken condor]

Seems more like a question for the Special K Discord, this one's primarily HDR stuff.

https://discord.gg/specialk

[willow phoenix]

Thanks. BTW, I really appreciate what you’ve given to the gaming community as a whole. One of my first tinkering with games on PC was with Nier automata using special K.

[pallid hawk]

https://youtu.be/xTwEGy6HHKo?si=RZdGVsJ_uoBw-bkB

[thick salmon]

So, that is the actual solution I should be aiming for then. Thanks for the extremely clear explanation 🙂

[weary ridge]

It’s visible on the frametime graph.

[broken condor]

The frametime graph is useless for frame generation, since it interpolates frames using motion vectors.

The only thing you know from that graph is when the compute queue copies the motion flow'd frame for output, not when it started interpolating that frame.

Took me a while to realize this, once I did I felt really silly 🙂

[wide schooner]

Is there an issue with the map and ultrawide?

The map has black bars on the side but not in-game.

[celest nest]

it's the lazy kind of ultrawide support in this game's case unfortunately

[topaz horizon]

Your camera blurry, give it a clean

[granite bough]

gsync + vsyn turn on but in nvidia control panel, not in the game

https://tenor.com/view/mando-way-mandalorian-star-wars-this-is-the-way-gif-18467372

[broken condor]

That'll break tons of software that's not intended to trigger G-Sync, I would not recommend doing that.

Unless you want to open NVCPL for every single game and turn VSYNC on manually case-by-case.

Having VSYNC forced globally will cause complete havoc with apps that only refresh when they need to at like 10 FPS slowing your system down (i.e. windows terminal)

[fringe agate]

hmm because that is kinda the thing that Mr blurbusters said in their gsync 101 article

so what is the correctest way?

[broken condor]

I mean, you can force it on in the driver if you want, but always do that per-game.
If you force VSYNC on globally, we can't save you when SKIF only draws at 1 FPS for efficiency reasons and your forcing VSYNC on forces the driver to apply G-Sync to SKIF 🙂 Your system will go unresponsive.

I'd personally recommend using SK to override a game's VSYNC, it can be toggled in real-time, it's selective to just the running game.
But I'm obligated to say this.

[celest nest]

i have vsync forced on in nvcp globally for years

no issues

[fringe agate]

same xD

[broken condor]

Multiplane Overlays haven't been supported by drivers for years

[fringe agate]

sadyl SK is not an ultimate solution the moment you go multiplayer

[broken condor]

That's what makes this a setting you should never, ever, touch.

[celest nest]

wait what does this have to do with MPOs?

[fringe agate]

but ok, I'll do it manually per game

but no the ingame vsync right?

not*

[broken condor]

MPOs allow windowed applications to be G-Sync'd. Those apps can opt-out by forcing VSYNC off, but if you force it on, now apps that never wanted to change the composition rate of the Windows desktop will do so.

[celest nest]

guess i’ve never encountered an app where this is a problem?

[broken condor]

NVIDIA will, on a case-by-case basis, for well-known apps fix the problem and prevent your global VSYNC setting from being applied, but you're making life very hard for yourself if you run smaller apps that NVIDIA's driver doesn't have workarounds for.

[celest nest]

skif for sure had no issues when i ran it

[broken condor]

We have a driver profile override written using NvAPI specifically to fix this. But other apps won't have this.

[celest nest]

ah

[broken condor]

The problem here is basically the same as turning on G-Sync for "Fullscreen and Windowed Apps".
When MPOs were introduced, forcing VSYNC on globally does the same thing now. Anything that can use a Flip Model SwapChain, even if it's a window, is now able to trigger G-Sync unless the VSYNC setting is left on "applicaiton preference."

[celest nest]

mm. what is that windowed gsync setting anyway? it never helped where it was supposed to (like unity games before win11 finally forced flip model)

[granite bough]

https://blurbusters.com/gsync/gsync101-input-lag-tests-and-settings/14/

[royal aurora]

What about the low latency in the nvidia cp? keep it off or set it to on? (for each game manually in there)

remember back in the day some games would run like shit when it wasnt on 3

[weary ridge]

Uhh pre-rendered frames on 3 caused horrible input lag though.

[hidden urchin]

The thing I’m noticing about HDR in general is when there isn’t a proper “in game” light source. It can crush the blacks like crazy in specific situations

Noticed it mostly while in the outfit upgrade screen, the top light source is high enough where you can barely see the bottom of the outfit

Cave lighting looks awesome blacked out so hopefully the “too dark areas” are one of those things that get fixed as more games are “made” with HDR lighting in mind

[weary ridge]

turning off vignette improves teh crushing problem

[granite bough]

Ultra low in global

[weary ridge]

and if you experience weird stuttering or other issues, then set it to "on" in the game profile

[broken condor]

That's more or less exactly what it was intended for. Just with huge collateral damage on non-game software, having that enabled could cause powershell, photoshop, etc. to behave strangely.
Not sure why it wouldn't work for Unity games, other than they use sRGB SwapChains. That needs an extra copy operation from the DWM to resolve, can't just directly flip an sRGB SwapChain into the DWM since it's not gamma correct.

[celest nest]

all i can remember is that it would not work where i expected it would (like those unity games, i think i was playing ffxiv then as well and it wouldn't help there either), and would also cause strange issues elsewhere. but i also barely knew anything about the tech side of all that back then. i had a dll from someone that would force flip model and that would finally activate gsync.

[broken condor]

I didn't know much about this either when I first started out with upgrading everything to flip model.
Didn't even have a G-Sync monitor at that time, I was surprised to learn that simply upgrading stuff to flip model and making sure it covers the full screen without any mismatched scaling was enough to make that driver setting obsolete 🙂

Probably why FFXIV's problematic. Its window management is really bad, even when you put it in borderless fullscreen it's often got the wrong dimensions by a couple of pixels.

[amber badger]

I can't get over how good this game looks 🤩

[celest nest]

hah same

[graceful sage]

I wish I didn't plat it in PS5, I'd actually be invested in playing it again

[weary ridge]

Same haha

[topaz horizon]

I genuinely disliked the game but I still can't get over how they made it look so good

[grand yacht]

A pairing of good graphics and overall good image quality.

A game like CP2077 has better graphics in certain ways but let down a lot by poor image quality and a lot of artifacts and noise. Forbidden West is quite clean looking compared.

I'm looking forward to finishing the story so I can at least see the "Burning Shores" DLC which people seem to rate higher than the base game.

[topaz horizon]

I also rate it higher

[granite bough]

In 1800p better will be DLAA + DRS to 90fps or DLSS perf? I have 3080 (10gb)

[broken condor]

As long as consistent framerate doesn't matter to you, DRS is okay.
You can't use it with a third-party framerate limiter, and setting it to a specific target in-game's not the same thing as a framerate limiter 😕

I'd personally go with constant resolution and constant framerate.

With a framerate limiter instead of DRS.

[pallid hawk]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/2420110/discussions/0/4355617421468888384/

How valid is this discussion?

I mean is the OP correct?

[royal aurora]

Like some said in there, its not a leak if the amount doesnt keep climbing. Dont think ive seen it go above 11GB on my 4090 even after hours on end.

[pallid hawk]

4090 is too good to get affected by this issue

And is not a leak that goes infinitely. But rather poor management

[pallid hawk]

What resolution

[royal aurora]

4k

max settings with dlss on balanced

[thick salmon]

People honestly tend to see every performance issue as a "memory leak". So, it could be true, but could also very well be an endlessly echoed piece of misinformation.

So, for the time being, would take it with a grain of salt

Especially as no actual RAM or VRAM data was provided

Users are essentially claiming reduced performance over time and jumping to the "memory leak" conclusion. People also seem to suggest it is just the game having to work with too little VRAM on more budget-GPUs

People also come with the weirdest solutions, please don't apply those. Have seen this with R&C and people made a lot of claims regarding possible solutions of which none of them panned out.

Just my view on the matter

https://steamcommunity.com/app/2420110/discussions/0/4355617421472784811/ for example to fix stutters? The game already utilizes 1.2.2 version of DS haha. 1.2.2305.1502 to be precise.

People on Steam can jumpt extremely fast to conclusions and people are eager to echo those, even when obviously incorrect.

[pallid hawk]

Reduced performance over time for a game is memory leak

Just as op said, all other games have a fps value for a corresponding in game area. And doesn't degrade fps over time

Even if the keep it turned on for whatever hour's we wish

And i can back it

[thick salmon]

Not per se to my knowledge, but not 100% certain.

[pallid hawk]

Take any game other than nixxess ports. It show's a fps

That doesn't change when all other parameters are unchanged

HFW on the other hand degrades over time.

That points to memory management issues

[thick salmon]

Then why are you asking here when you seemingly already have your answer/mind made up? XD

[thick salmon]

Do you see increase in VRAM usage then over time?

Is RAM affected? Do you have any data on those?

[thick salmon]

Just gave my opinion when looking at the run-of-the-mill Steam-discussion claims haha

Btw, would be good to also rule out any overlays not actually being the cause of this. When there is an incompatibility between the overlay and games, weird things can happen.

[thick salmon]

Could also be underclocking of hardware to avoid overheating over time if cooling isn't able to keep up

Doing some testing now

[pallid hawk]

Mind made up, yes. But just wanted to know your take

[thick salmon]

I'm doing testing now by standing still at the same exact spot at max settings

After how long did you notice anything?

[pallid hawk]

I too have 3070 . So 8 GB. And i too have same issue at 1440p

[pallid hawk]

Same as above. Entering village settlements gives drops. If not entering any settlements, in open worlds it takes a hit after 2-3 hrs of gameplay

[celest nest]

fwiw it might not manifest by idling in one place, you might just have to return to the same place after a long session to confirm instead

i did not notice any degradation after long sessions but i'm on 4090

[thick salmon]

I thought vaad explicitly said it still occurred then, so thought it was thus the most reliable testing method to keep most variables the same

[celest nest]

oh ok

i just skimmed the convo

[thick salmon]

Same, but not looking for performance degradation at my side, but the numbers about RAM and VRAM

Which have only lowered over time so far haha, but only 10 minutes so far

[pallid hawk]

Are you staying at one place without any movements?

I meant to try traveling through open world for hours. So that whatever assets streaming nixxess has implemented, let it work.

That degrades performance for me.

Doesn't drop to 20fps like in settlements but to 40fps from solid 70fps.

And a restart of the game solves this, in same places. Until it degrades again.

[thick salmon]

Ah, you were not clear in that.

[pallid hawk]

What card you got?

If its above 10 gb vram card for 1440p, i think just like post says, issue won't affect you.

[thick salmon]

If true, then it isn't a memory leak, but a VRAM management issue whereby the streaming in and out of VRAM isn't working correctly in limited situations

[pallid hawk]

Also nowhere in the internet we see any 12 gb card users or 4090 users get this issue. Only for 3070, 3060

[thick salmon]

If it is constantly fighting for space, it could allocate more than is allowed, thus crashing

[pallid hawk]

Yeah. I think that's post guy meant

He says after a few comments

[thick salmon]

Doesn't say much, if a memory leak is small, then it won't show on powerful hardware that fast, only after many hours

[fringe agate]

There's definitely something fucky going on. Gimme a moment and I'll show

[thick salmon]

Then it would thus NOT be a memory leak

[pallid hawk]

Whatever asset streaming/memory management nixxess implemented, it needs to be better for low vram cards

And that its not the cards problem for having low vram.

[thick salmon]

Not really whatever in my opinion; people on Steam screaming Memory leak would actually misinform people.

If what we are concluding here is true

Btw, wanted to do something else, so have too limited data; everything was within margin of error still

[pallid hawk]

He says below the post that he terms it leak but actually means memory management issues

[fringe agate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1220414721342312589/1223018940318482482/image.png?ex=66185425&is=6605df25&hm=846048993505f1bf5d8021de5bad593b189880c8fba72f55c84df5247ffb1759&

This is after playing for 4 hours

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1220414721342312589/1223023823327330374/image.png?ex=661858b2&is=6605e3b2&hm=1d0b4f8a0785f881559b5770c58cf03bf5cea341bfa03aeca8c8f37d925e61a2&

This is right after a restart

in both cases I was far below the max memory budget SK reports

[thick salmon]

Those screenshots seem to confirm it is not a memory leak, but what should I be looking at specifically?

[fringe agate]

it seems like the game starts swapping data into ram before the memory budget is fully saturated

and then never releases memory probably too

[fringe agate]

mainly the performance difference and increased stutter

don't look at the SK reflex analysis, Kal explained that it's talking garbage

[thick salmon]

You mean the memory budget of RAM or VRAM?

[fringe agate]

VRAM

DXGI budget

[thick salmon]

Hard to be sure btw as your screenshots are from quite different views

have a fresh restart screenshot of the more exact same spot?

[fringe agate]

the performance doesn't change much between angles

[fringe agate]

This is a fresh restart

[thick salmon]

From my experience it does; if more is occluded, performance will be higher

[fringe agate]

oh you mean even better alignment, sure I can try, but if you believe me at my word, it doesn't change much

[thick salmon]

Probably not, but better to be sure

[fringe agate]

and like, let's be honest, 50% more fps and less stutter can't be explained by a slightly different angle