Rotating Challenge #3: Goodfellowship

[vapid heron]

I got a 47 with chaosy start:

🎲 Spellsided Rotating #3: Goodfellowship - 47 moves

1️⃣ Cut
2️⃣
3️⃣
4️⃣
5️⃣
6️⃣

⬆️⬆️⬆️⬅️⬆️ ⬆️⬆️➡️➡️⬅️
⬆️⬇️⬆️⬆️⬇️ ⬅️⬅️⬅️⬆️➡️
⬅️⬆️➡️⬇️⬆️ ⬆️➡️➡️⬅️⬆️
⬇️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬇️ ⬇️⬆️⬇️⬆️⬆️
⬇️⬇️⬇️⬆️⬆️ ⬆️⬆️

Not sure how much chaos it has after though

That one is funny, you got the first two to fall for the same trap :)

...and another 47 with another of your 49 starts x.x
🎲 Spellsided Rotating #3: Goodfellowship - 47 moves

1️⃣ Cut
2️⃣
3️⃣
4️⃣
5️⃣
6️⃣

⬆️⬆️⬆️➡️⬆️ ⬆️➡️⬆️⬇️⬇️
⬆️⬆️⬅️⬆️➡️ ⬅️⬅️⬇️⬅️⬆️
⬅️⬆️➡️⬅️⬅️ ⬅️⬆️⬆️➡️⬅️
⬅️⬆️➡️⬇️⬆️ ⬆️⬅️⬅️⬆️⬅️
➡️⬆️⬅️⬅️⬆️ ⬆️⬆️

(Still not 45 though)

[copper current]

wha

🎲 Spellsided Rotating #3: Goodfellowship - 55 moves

1️⃣ Cut
2️⃣
3️⃣
4️⃣
5️⃣
6️⃣

⬆️⬆️⬆️⬅️⬆️ ⬆️⬆️➡️➡️⬅️
⬆️⬇️⬆️⬆️⬇️ ⬇️⬅️⬆️⬆️⬆️
➡️⬅️⬅️➡️➡️ ➡️⬆️⬅️⬅️⬆️
➡️⬇️⬅️⬅️⬇️ ➡️⬅️⬆️⬇️⬆️
⬆️⬇️➡️➡️⬇️ ⬆️⬆️⬅️⬅️⬅️
⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️
this one is bad yes

but one of the goodfellows just went down

and didnt want to com back

[vapid heron]

🎲 Spellsided Rotating #3: Goodfellowship - 47 moves

1️⃣ Cut
2️⃣
3️⃣
4️⃣
5️⃣
6️⃣

⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️➡️ ⬆️⬇️⬅️➡️⬅️
➡️⬇️⬆️⬇️⬇️ ⬇️⬆️➡️⬅️➡️
⬇️⬆️⬆️⬅️⬆️ ➡️⬅️⬅️⬆️⬅️
➡️⬅️⬇️➡️➡️ ⬅️⬆️➡️⬅️⬅️
⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️ ⬆️⬆️

Also not 45, but I like the almost fully sequential combat

[vapid heron]

I think he dashed out of your range?

And went into patrol mode

But the way he had to dash down and not straight away because of another fellow is funny

[copper current]

honestly the dash away direction

no idea how it decides

I think it can only pick a direction that has all 3 tiles empty?

🎲 Spellsided Rotating #3: Goodfellowship - 47 moves

1️⃣ Cut
2️⃣
3️⃣
4️⃣
5️⃣
6️⃣

⬆️⬆️⬆️➡️⬆️ ⬆️➡️⬆️⬇️⬇️
⬆️⬆️⬅️⬆️➡️ ⬅️⬅️➡️⬅️➡️
⬇️⬇️⬅️➡️➡️ ➡️⬆️⬅️➡️➡️
⬆️⬆️⬅️⬆️⬆️ ⬅️⬇️⬇️⬅️⬆️
➡️⬅️⬅️⬆️⬆️ ⬆️⬆️

took 300 years I guess

not even funny chaos route

[vapid heron]

🎲 Spellsided Rotating #3: Goodfellowship - 45 moves

1️⃣ Cut
2️⃣
3️⃣
4️⃣
5️⃣
6️⃣

⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️➡️ ⬆️⬇️➡️⬅️⬅️
➡️⬇️⬆️⬇️⬇️ ⬇️⬆️➡️⬅️➡️
⬇️⬆️⬆️⬅️⬆️ ➡️⬅️⬅️⬆️⬅️
⬆️⬆️⬆️⬇️⬇️ ➡️⬇️⬅️➡️➡️
⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️

Got a 45 here too :D

...and!

🎲 Spellsided Rotating #3: Goodfellowship - 43 moves

1️⃣ Cut
2️⃣
3️⃣
4️⃣
5️⃣
6️⃣

⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️➡️ ⬆️⬇️⬅️➡️⬅️
➡️⬇️⬆️⬇️⬇️ ⬇️⬆️➡️⬆️⬇️
⬇️⬆️⬆️⬅️⬆️ ➡️⬅️⬅️⬆️⬅️
⬆️⬆️⬆️⬇️⬇️ ⬅️⬆️➡️⬅️⬅️
⬆️⬆️⬆️

43 :D

🎲 Spellsided Rotating #3: Goodfellowship - 41 moves

1️⃣ Cut
2️⃣
3️⃣
4️⃣ Cut
5️⃣
6️⃣

⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️➡️ ⬆️➡️⬅️⬇️⬅️
➡️➡️⬅️⬆️➡️ ⬅️⬅️➡️⬆️⬆️
➡️⬅️⬅️➡️➡️ ⬆️⬆️➡️⬅️⬆️
⬇️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬅️ ⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️
⬆️

41 with 2 cuts

[copper current]

with 2 cus you could probably go really low

one moment to cook

🎲 Spellsided Rotating #3: Goodfellowship - 41 moves

1️⃣ Cut
2️⃣ Cut
3️⃣
4️⃣
5️⃣
6️⃣

⬆️⬆️⬆️⬅️⬆️ ⬆️⬆️➡️➡️⬅️
⬆️⬇️⬆️⬆️⬇️ ⬆️⬅️⬆️➡️⬇️
⬅️⬆️⬆️⬇️⬇️ ⬇️⬆️⬆️➡️⬅️
⬅️⬅️⬇️➡️⬅️ ⬅️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️
⬆️

having 2 cuts

is so much easier

[stuck crane]

woah

i think you folks have deeper mastery of goodfellow's moveset than me now

also omg over 1000 messages in this chat

this will need a 10-part series to unpack lmao

[winter mauve]

The mythical more than 1 minute short perhaps?

[vapid heron]

Honestly, it would be really sad to see this challenge go x.x

Trying to do 1 chop now :)

[winter mauve]

I love the mario maker feel of it, someone says "have some chaos, good luck" and it's everyone else's problem

[copper current]

just wait untill we get another boss

and then the definitly real eventual challenge of dual boss. (2 different bosses. with no regard about if thats a good idea or works)

[vapid heron]

🎲 Spellsided Rotating #3: Goodfellowship - 127 moves

1️⃣ Chop
2️⃣
3️⃣
4️⃣
5️⃣
6️⃣

⬆️⬆️⬆️⬅️⬅️ ⬅️⬆️⬆️⬇️⬆️
➡️➡️⬇️⬆️➡️ ➡️➡️⬇️⬆️➡️
⬇️⬇️⬅️⬅️⬆️ ⬅️⬆️⬆️⬇️⬇️
➡️⬆️⬇️⬇️➡️ ⬆️➡️⬅️⬅️➡️
⬅️⬆️⬆️⬇️⬆️ ➡️⬇️⬅️⬅️⬅️
⬅️⬆️⬆️⬇️➡️ ⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️➡️
➡️⬇️⬇️⬅️⬅️ ⬅️⬇️⬅️⬇️⬇️
⬇️➡️⬅️➡️➡️ ⬅️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬅️
⬇️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️ ➡️⬇️➡️⬆️➡️
⬇️⬇️⬆️➡️⬇️ ➡️⬇️⬇️⬅️⬅️
⬅️⬇️⬅️⬆️➡️ ⬇️⬇️⬇️⬅️➡️
⬆️➡️➡️➡️⬅️ ⬆️⬆️⬆️➡️⬅️
⬅️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️ ⬆️⬆️

It's possible!

🎲 Spellsided Rotating #3: Goodfellowship - 83 moves

1️⃣ Chop
2️⃣
3️⃣
4️⃣
5️⃣
6️⃣

⬆️⬆️⬆️⬅️⬅️ ⬅️⬆️⬆️⬇️⬆️
➡️➡️⬇️⬆️➡️ ➡️➡️⬇️⬆️⬇️
⬇️➡️⬅️⬅️⬆️ ⬅️⬆️⬆️⬇️⬇️
➡️⬆️⬇️⬇️➡️ ⬆️➡️⬅️⬅️➡️
⬅️⬇️⬅️⬆️➡️ ⬅️⬅️⬅️⬆️⬇️
➡️⬇️⬅️⬅️➡️ ⬆️⬆️⬅️⬆️⬇️
⬆️➡️➡️⬇️⬆️ ➡️➡️➡️⬇️⬆️
⬅️⬆️➡️➡️⬅️ ⬅️⬅️⬆️⬆️⬆️
⬆️⬆️⬆️

Under 120, at least 1 star :)

[copper current]

you know what

[copper current]

my move pace is bad gah

I have 1 dead and 2 at 3 hp on move 43

[vapid heron]

I can kill one at 26 moves with another one being at 3hp, but can't seem to find footing after

[copper current]

🎲 Spellsided Rotating #3: Goodfellowship - 87 moves

1️⃣ Chop
2️⃣
3️⃣
4️⃣
5️⃣
6️⃣

⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️ ➡️⬇️⬆️⬅️⬇️
⬆️➡️➡️⬇️⬇️ ⬅️⬅️⬅️⬅️⬆️
➡️⬅️➡️⬆️➡️ ⬆️➡️⬆️⬆️⬅️
⬆️➡️➡️➡️⬇️ ⬇️⬅️⬅️⬇️⬅️
⬅️⬅️➡️⬇️⬅️ ⬇️➡️⬅️⬆️➡️
⬅️➡️⬅️⬆️➡️ ⬆️⬆️⬆️⬇️⬆️
⬇️⬅️⬅️⬆️⬇️ ➡️➡️⬆️➡️⬅️
➡️⬇️⬇️⬅️➡️ ⬆️➡️➡️➡️⬅️
⬅️⬅️⬆️⬆️⬆️ ⬆️⬆️

I am close

if you try. dont

I have no normal lines

I just do moves

there is no pattern

[slender portal]

More testing:
For normal moves, priorities left over up, and up over right. So it's clockwise but starting either down or left, not sure which of those yet.

[copper current]

how do you even kill one by 26 lmao

[slender portal]

huh, I'm trying to recreate this because I can't see why it works and I can't figure it out.

wait, maybe the shield

[vapid heron]

Coincidentally, when I kill it by 26, that fellow can dash either to the left (then I kill it) or down (then I can't), depending on whether I'm 2L1U from it (then down), or 1L2U (then left). When dashing down, it also collides with the wall, and only dashes by 1 instead of 3 (edit: mixed up right and left)

[slender portal]

This feels impossible, how did I do this??

[copper current]

didnt you write down instructions?

[slender portal]

Not for that bit, I didn't think it was useful

[soft cliff]

yeah i feel that i was trying so many random things and would only realize later it might be useful and then have forgotten how to recreate it

[vapid heron]

Something like this (chop on 1):
UUULL UUDUR RDURR RDULD UL[U]LL D

The move in brackets is when the fellow dashes left if I go up, but down if I go left

[copper current]

it do be like that.

you should really be able to save your moves

at any point

[vapid heron]

(Seems like a good corner case to try figure out the pattern)

You gotta make a feature request then :)

Making it keyboard driven could be nice as well (edit: For that matter, it could be nice if you could set in settings the type of copy, emojis vs letters (like QURDL, to be honest I'd prefer that over emojis))

[slender portal]

Basically, after triggering the 3-combo it attacks on the next 3 moves and then you need to be adjacent to get it to move down. But if remove the coin on any of those 3 moves it moves into that spot. So how did I remove the coin to replace it without the goodfellow immediately moving up?

[slender portal]

Yeah, only getting the output when you complete a level makes for challenges where the aim isn't to complete it like this very hard to share answers to.

[copper current]

you mean placing the coin after the back dash?

you go to the side to make goodfellow run into the wall.
you go 2 tiles in front of goodfellow to bait dash.
shield forward to keep goodfellow in place. (and give 1 move of gracetime)
place counterfeit

[slender portal]

No, I can replace the coin

I can't get rid of it without him moving up

Yet at one point I did

[copper current]

bomb?

and goodfellow doesnt move every turn right?

if you arent on the right parity of turns

you can use cut

and hit one of the goodfellows

to offset I guess

although rolling in a funky way should also offset you

[slender portal]

During combo he does

[slender portal]

Wasn't using that

[copper current]

cant you remove the coin after the combo?

also btw this

wanted to push that down

[slender portal]

yes, but to get in that position I'd have had to remove it during to be in front of goodfellow after the combo but before the dash down.

[copper current]

oh yeah it doesnt dash if you arent close

I forgor

[soft cliff]

had a very silly idea i don’t think anyone has specifically recreated this softlock

the bottom gate doesn’t reopen after killing the goodfellows lmao

[copper current]

okay technicly. there is an isane method that could work.

[soft cliff]

oh,?

[copper current]

if you got into the position

somehow. you have a goodfellow on the gate. a goodfellow one tile above that.
both at the end of their 3 combo. you could trigger both back dashes.

it would close the gate since they both go past and none land on the gate tile

[vapid heron]

xd, true. But it is kinda the same as when godfellows were out there, since you are softlocking by getting stuck in the starting area. For this softlock fellows are irrelevant.

[copper current]

however it would get 2 into the starting area

but setting that up is

another thing

completly

[soft cliff]

yeah i just found it funny you can go out and kill them and then still get yourself stuck cjckck

[slender portal]

Yeah, that was my plan, but then I got distracted by trying to figure out how I'd done this previously while studying how to make the bottom one dash at the right time

[copper current]

actually it should be that hard

maybe

hold

let me show the setup of all time

goodfellow on the gate.
goodfellow where the dice is. counterfeit above it.
stand next to the dice to trigger both 3 combo attacks. then move up to stand next to the counterfeit. both goodfellows will just try to move up 3 times. then move back to trigger the back dash. move back up.

[soft cliff]

would the top goodfellow try to go left or right if the counterfeit is blocking the up

[slender portal]

yeah, that'd do it I think

[slender portal]

Except maybe for this

Well, time to find out I guess (or not, timing is wrong here)

[slender portal]

I don't think so, in this position I can just move left and right and the bottom Goodfellow just attacks the wall 3 times then runs away.

[soft cliff]

okay thats good to know

welp
didn’t do the right thing but did get a goodfellow to dash backwards from gate to cell

so this is looking promising for 2 goodfellows if both can dash

[slender portal]

This is better

[vapid heron]

I found a continuation for this!

🎲 Spellsided Rotating #3: Goodfellowship - 77 moves

1️⃣ Chop
2️⃣
3️⃣
4️⃣
5️⃣
6️⃣

⬆️⬆️⬆️⬅️⬅️ ⬆️⬆️⬇️⬆️➡️
➡️⬇️⬆️➡️➡️ ➡️⬇️⬆️⬅️⬇️
⬆️⬅️⬆️⬅️⬅️ ⬇️⬇️⬇️⬅️⬅️
➡️⬅️⬆️➡️➡️ ⬅️⬇️➡️➡️➡️
➡️⬆️➡️⬅️⬆️ ⬆️➡️⬅️⬆️⬆️
⬆️➡️⬅️⬆️➡️ ⬇️⬅️⬇️⬅️⬇️
⬅️➡️⬆️➡️⬇️ ⬇️⬆️⬇️⬆️⬅️
⬅️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️ ⬆️⬆️

[copper current]

we are cooking

[vapid heron]

Friends hunter be friends hunting

[slender portal]

Okay, both in position and not busy attacking or anything. But to get them to combo together you need to enterr both their areas at the same time, which I'm not sure you can do without the top one leaving that spot.

[copper current]

I mean

there are 2 ways

actually no

there is one way

which...

is dash

...

[vapid heron]

Dunno if it's helpful, but you could also try destroying the coin with chop sometime

(Probably not in this exact situation though)

[copper current]

the coin is just a breakable object

[slender portal]

I know, which would mean re-doing this whole setup 😭

[copper current]

...f

well

actually

no that wouldnt work

[vapid heron]

Why with chop: chop+dash allows you to destroy it and take its place

[slender portal]

Anyway, to get here follow my previous instructions, and then go RRRUDLLURLLQLUR

[copper current]

because thats how chop works with dash

you can do that to enemies too

you can break the counterfeit with any attack

[vapid heron]

Yeah, but only with chop & dash to take its place at the same time. Could be useful if you want to place the coin anew after that, but dunno what exactly your setup atm is

(Take its place AND have the coin on the top face right after if you line it up correctly)

[slender portal]

My other plan was to get goodfellows in red without removing the coin, then be on yellow press q and dash up. Again, would need to redo current stuff to get a dash.

[slender portal]

Current plan is basically to get two goodfellows (one on the gate) to end a combo at the same move, and then make them both dash down at the same time

[soft cliff]

yeah i’ve been mostly messing around with non dash setups dash is a whole new layer
which is probably useful but it makes it complicated

[copper current]

doing everything with dash will be scuh a pain

[slender portal]

Yeah, I have the current path to Gatefellow memorised, I don't want to re-derive one. Especially because there the dash is will make a big difference as well.

So I want to see if there's a dashless way we can think of first, but I'm not sure there is.

[vapid heron]

By the way, IMO, this is a very beautiful solution, especially the second part

I have no idea how it all aligned so well there

[limpid star]

Yall are taking this so far...

[vapid heron]

Honestly, I am thinking about copying the files away so that I don't lose access to this challenge in a week

[limpid star]

I think you cant do that

[vapid heron]

Well... I just need to trick steam into thinking it's fine. Worst case scenario, I make a complete backup of the system (or just steam), and run it without internet at all.

Or maybe it can be run without steam at all

I'm sure it's possible to do something if you really want to.

Now, from the... eula? perspective, that's a tough situation probably, yeah.

[soft cliff]

yeah i love the rotating challenges and losing them is always so sad cncncncn

[vapid heron]

Was there any reason for them to be temporary at all? I don't think I have seen anything about that in the chat previously either.

[soft cliff]

the rotating challenges have been goodfellow stuff or experimental darkness

i think the vague notion i caught was it was experimental stuff that may change or break with future updates?

[copper current]

I mean I can understand why they wouldnt be in the normal challenge menu

...however what if we had a funny menu you could acces by doing something?

[vapid heron]

That would definitely be nice, yeah x.x

[slender portal]

Turns out, this would neverr work anyway because left takes priority over up, so the top goodfellow just moves out.

Getting that position at the end of the combo would work, but you can't have that at the start and have them stay there

[copper current]

left goes before up?

wait the priority is left and then counterclockwise?

huh

then use the right side

because the priority should be left, up, right, down
right?

[slender portal]

Honestly with careful movement you can keep the Gatefellow in position while letting another one manouvure above it without using the coin. Quite tricky though

[slender portal]

I belive it starts with down, actually

[slender portal]

And I tried a bit, but the move order means I can't use the same route on the other side, and getting an equivalent path is tricky.

[lyric roost]

I was reading these posts, but I got bored and started cheesing everything. Hope I'm not too disruptive.

[limpid star]

!?

[vapid heron]

There is just too many interesting things to do :)

We are still to see splinter-only solution for example

Or 1 splinter either

And there are definitely more fun combinations too :)

[soft cliff]

Lfhdkskdkd
we really did say “three goodfellows is the most interesting thing right now”

[copper current]

I mean like.

its 3 friends!

of course its the most intresting

[slender portal]

Oh don't worry, we're cheesing stuff as well. What cheese have you found?

[slender portal]

Ok, I figured that out again. It's because when you remove the coin via a cut from the left, Goodfellow doesn't move up because of move priority (attacks left into the wall instead).

Not sure that helps but it's understanding.

[slender portal]

Maybe not

Well here's something. Killed off one Fellow for easier manuvouring (and I doubt getting all 3 down is possible), and got the 2nd into patrol mode in the bottom row. Will probably leave that if I try to approach though.

[vapid heron]

I think it might be choosing one direction based on your location, and then trying every direction starting the the first one in say clockwise order

And walls don't seem to make a particular direction "bad", but a drop does

And other fellows probably do as well

[vapid heron]

1 splinter by the way (super unoptimized, especially like last 40 moves)

🎲 Spellsided Rotating #3: Goodfellowship - 119 moves

1️⃣ Splinter
2️⃣
3️⃣
4️⃣
5️⃣
6️⃣

⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️➡️ ⬆️⬅️➡️⬅️⬅️
⬆️➡️⬅️⬆️⬆️ ⬆️➡️⬅️⬆️⬅️
⬅️⬇️⬇️➡️⬇️ ⬇️⬇️⬅️⬆️⬆️
➡️➡️⬇️⬇️⬅️ ⬆️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬅️
⬆️⬆️➡️⬆️➡️ ⬆️⬅️⬆️➡️➡️
⬇️⬇️⬅️⬆️➡️ ⬅️⬅️➡️➡️⬇️
⬅️➡️➡️⬇️⬇️ ➡️➡️⬆️⬆️⬇️
⬇️⬅️⬅️⬅️⬆️ ➡️⬅️⬆️⬆️➡️
⬇️⬆️⬇️⬅️⬆️ ⬅️⬆️⬅️⬇️➡️
➡️➡️➡️⬇️⬇️ ⬅️⬅️⬅️⬅️⬅️
⬆️⬇️⬆️⬆️➡️ ➡️⬇️⬅️➡️⬅️
➡️➡️⬆️⬆️⬆️ ⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️

[slender portal]

trying to get a Gatefellow with a dash, would get it if I put down a coin here then moved left, but the top fellow kills me 😭

Gatefellow aquired with a Dash face!

needed the dash to be opposite the counterfeit though :(. that might make things more complicated later.

[vapid heron]

🎲 Spellsided Rotating #3: Goodfellowship - 105 moves

1️⃣ Splinter
2️⃣
3️⃣
4️⃣
5️⃣
6️⃣

⬆️⬆️⬆️⬅️⬆️ ⬆️⬆️⬅️⬅️⬆️
⬇️⬇️⬆️⬇️⬆️ ⬆️➡️➡️➡️⬇️
⬆️⬇️⬇️⬅️⬅️ ⬅️⬆️⬇️⬆️⬆️
➡️➡️➡️⬇️⬆️ ⬇️⬇️⬅️⬅️⬅️
⬇️⬆️⬆️⬆️➡️ ➡️➡️⬇️⬆️⬇️
⬇️⬅️⬅️⬅️⬆️ ⬇️⬆️⬆️➡️➡️
⬆️⬆️⬆️⬇️➡️ ⬇️⬆️➡️⬆️⬇️
⬆️⬅️⬅️⬇️⬅️ ➡️➡️⬇️⬆️⬇️
⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️➡️ ➡️⬆️⬇️⬇️⬅️
⬅️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬅️ ➡️⬇️⬆️➡️⬆️
⬅️⬅️⬆️⬆️⬆️

Somehow still more than 100 x.x

[slender portal]

huh, recreating this is actually kinda hard because the parity stuff means the top ones attack me when they didn't originally

Ok, got it:
Dash on 1, Counterfeit on 6:
RDLUUQ UURRDL ULLRRD LLUR. Then as before: UDUDLUR ULLQL

[vapid heron]

🎲 Spellsided Rotating #3: Goodfellowship - 63 moves

1️⃣ Splinter
2️⃣
3️⃣
4️⃣
5️⃣
6️⃣

⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️➡️ ⬆️⬅️➡️⬅️⬇️
⬅️⬆️⬇️⬆️➡️ ⬆️⬆️⬅️➡️⬆️
⬆️⬆️⬅️➡️➡️ ➡️➡️⬇️⬇️⬅️
⬅️⬇️⬅️⬇️➡️ ➡️⬅️⬅️⬆️➡️
⬆️⬅️⬆️⬆️➡️ ⬅️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬆️
⬆️⬆️➡️⬅️⬅️ ⬇️⬆️➡️➡️⬅️
⬆️⬆️⬆️

<100, yay :D

[copper current]

now splinter only

🎲 Spellsided Rotating #3: Goodfellowship - 61 moves

1️⃣
2️⃣
3️⃣
4️⃣ Splinter
5️⃣
6️⃣

⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️ ➡️➡️⬆️⬇️➡️
⬅️➡️⬇️⬅️⬇️ ⬆️⬇️⬆️➡️⬅️
⬅️⬆️➡️⬅️➡️ ➡️⬅️➡️⬇️⬅️
⬇️⬆️⬇️⬆️⬅️ ⬆️⬆️➡️⬅️➡️
➡️⬅️➡️⬇️⬅️ ⬇️⬆️➡️⬅️⬆️
⬆️⬅️⬆️⬅️➡️ ⬅️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️
⬆️

is something I can get behind

[vapid heron]

!

[copper current]

this is something I can do

[vapid heron]

2 moves!

x.x

[copper current]

I can splinter loop them a lot better then I can with the other attacks

[vapid heron]

Does your solution has a double hit by the way?

Mine has one x.x

[copper current]

I think I double hit twice

[vapid heron]

There is my lost move xd

[copper current]

check my solution for the funny

[vapid heron]

🎲 Spellsided Rotating #3: Goodfellowship - 57 moves

1️⃣ Splinter
2️⃣
3️⃣
4️⃣
5️⃣
6️⃣

⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️➡️ ⬆️⬅️➡️⬅️⬇️
⬅️⬆️⬇️⬆️➡️ ⬆️⬆️⬅️➡️⬆️
⬆️⬆️⬅️➡️➡️ ➡️➡️⬇️⬇️⬅️
⬅️⬇️⬅️⬇️➡️ ➡️⬅️⬅️⬆️➡️
⬆️⬅️⬆️⬆️➡️ ⬇️⬇️⬅️⬆️⬆️
⬅️⬇️⬆️➡️⬆️ ⬆️⬆️

I got a better ending for mine :)

[copper current]

shock. horror

[vapid heron]

I had a fun loop in my 105 moves one

Let me see your solution now

Nice double hitting :)

[copper current]

you know fur fun I checked

the combined messages of every level combined (not counting this one)

is 3055

this one is on 1223

[slender portal]

Unfortunately, I can't see a nice continuation to this that lets you trap the Gatefellow with a coin

[copper current]

so its over 25% of the total messages if you count every levels messages

[vapid heron]

I'm partly to blame, inflating the amount of restrictions you can have for this level :)

I did like what, 1 cut, 1 chop, 1 split now?

...and then of course the friend home discussion probably takes 30-70% of messages in this thread :)

Oh, also there was the lance only (or 1 upgraded chop, call whatever you want)

I should improve that one too

[slender portal]

Yeah, I've written down a lot of notes from that

Having some help on it would be appreciated

[vapid heron]

I'm probably going for simpler targets for now x.x 2 friends home is a bit too complex for me for now (sorry x.x)

🎲 Spellsided Rotating #3: Goodfellowship - 39 moves

1️⃣ Chop + Champion's Lance
2️⃣
3️⃣
4️⃣
5️⃣
6️⃣

⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️ ➡️⬇️⬆️➡️➡️
⬇️⬆️⬅️⬇️⬆️ ⬅️⬆️➡️⬆️⬆️
⬆️➡️⬅️⬇️⬅️ ⬆️⬆️⬇️➡️⬇️
⬆️⬆️⬇️⬅️⬅️ ⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️

Improved this one too :D

[slender portal]

Okay, managed stuff:
Counterfeit on 6, Shield on 5, Dash on 4:
UUQUL URRUDUDUD LULL QL
DLDRR DQ (LR)

Back to Gatefellow with a coin in front, but now with a dash

[soft cliff]

i might come back to two friend later when i have the mental banwidth jcmcnc

[vapid heron]

I kinda wonder what best scores are here at all. There seem to be many many many categories.
- anything goes
- nothing goes ("spelless")
- no spell layering (?)
- spells on one side only
- spells on side one only
- dashless
- bombless, bombless dashless (don't think anyone specifically did that, but there must be low solutions already anwyays)
- shieldless, shieldless dashless, shieldless bombless, shiledless bombless dashless
- 1 cut, 1 chop, 1 split, 1 lance [ maaaybe subcategory: that 1 spell is in slot 1 (as in the default with cut) ]
- cuts only, chops only, splits only (don't think there were 2+ chops / 2+ splits solutions yet)
- 3 bombs (same as dashless), 2 bombs (?)
- same as 3 lines above, but with dashes & counterfeit
- hard softlock (can't move), hard softlock dashless
- softlock (can't win nor die), softlock dashless (?)
- friend inside, friend inside dashless (maybe also: bombless, no damage, ...)

And then the "big research": can we actually get 2 friends inside?

(also smaller not really asked but answered questoin: infinitely get in/out? -- yes, possible (without bringing friends))

Am I forgetting anything?

[copper current]

hmmmm

that seems accurate

but its probably missing something anyway

[vapid heron]

From potential solutions, definitely. From discussed here, there is hope that's all x.x

Could also add dust bombs only (this is 17, same as dashless). Now, wonder, can you do it with exactly 2 bombs?

Oh, also cheaty spelless :)

[copper current]

wasnt my first good solution just 2 bombs

[vapid heron]

Didn't it contain dashes though? Don't remember

[copper current]

it did

probably (well not just probably it did)

[vapid heron]

Actually, this adds more categores: full dashes; 1/2+ cuts/chops/splinters but with dashes (and counterfeit, no sense excluding that one if you allow dashes)

[slender portal]

This is too many categories, lol

[vapid heron]

Exactly xd

I might try to summarize all high scores if I can and nobody does it before me though (please do x.x)

Oh, another category: without spell layering

(subcategory)

That's probably like 13 or 12, since the 11 solution requires counterfeit with dash

But I think there was 13 with just bombs and dashes

[slender portal]

There was, yeah

[vapid heron]

Even two of those, yeah

...I really do wonder what will happen to the video, with so much stuff being solved for xd

We could also just for fun add a "one side only" challenge :)

[copper current]

one side only isnt that hard

its going to be

dash. chop. champions lance

or shield chop champions lance

alright did a funky one

🎲 Spellsided Rotating #3: Goodfellowship - 33 moves

1️⃣ Chop + Champion's Lance + Dash
2️⃣
3️⃣
4️⃣
5️⃣
6️⃣

⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️ ⬇️⬅️⬇️➡️➡️
⬅️⬇️⬅️⬆️⬆️ ⬆️⬆️➡️⬆️⬇️
➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬆️ ⬆️⬆️⬆️⬇️⬆️
⬆️⬆️⬆️

[vapid heron]

Fun fact: the first completion ever (excluding devs) was by The Book Wyrm with the same layout, but in 34 moves xd

🎲 Spellsided Rotating #3: Goodfellowship - 29 moves

1️⃣ Chop + Champion's Lance + Dash
2️⃣
3️⃣
4️⃣
5️⃣
6️⃣

⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️ ⬅️⬇️⬆️➡️➡️
➡️⬇️⬅️➡️⬆️ ⬅️⬅️⬇️⬇️➡️
⬆️⬆️➡️⬇️⬅️ ⬆️➡️⬆️⬆️

:o first 20 moves same as The Book Wyrm's solution xd

First 15 are especially cool though :)

[vapid heron]

Meanwhile that could be a "spite" solution (improving just by 1 heh)
🎲 Spellsided Rotating #3: Goodfellowship - 32 moves

1️⃣ Chop + Champion's Lance + Dash
2️⃣
3️⃣
4️⃣
5️⃣
6️⃣

⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️ ⬅️⬇️⬆️➡️➡️
➡️⬇️⬅️➡️⬆️ ⬅️➡️⬇️⬇️⬅️
⬅️⬅️⬆️⬇️➡️ ➡️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️
⬆️⬆️

[vapid heron]

The ending here is super satisfying though

[slender portal]

Gotten back to here with a dash

[copper current]

yooo

[slender portal]

trying to find a way to kill the top one without the bottom ones escaping so I can room to move around at the top.

Goal is then to be on the green square with neither of them in the middle of a combo, dash down to trigger a 3 combo from both of them starting at the same time, then move up and down to end in that cell after the combo, and have them both dash down together. Might work?

Main worry is that the top Fellow will dash left instead of down.

[copper current]

you should be out of range for the topfellow as long as you dont move up

probably

hopefully you will manage

[slender portal]

And then there were two

[slender portal]

Yeah, but you need to move around a bunch to get the bottom ones aligned correctly.

And to get the dash in the right position

It's probably possible without killing the top one, but this gives me more room to experiement with their movement as well.

Issue is also that they keep trying to charge me through the coin

Noooo

I was right, the top one dashes the wrong way.

I'll try the other side, but I think if I do this setup the top one will try to go left instead of just attacking the coin

Yep, don't stay in place during the combo attack if you use the other side 😭

So this setup of two behind the coin doesn't work, at least not so simply

[slender portal]

You need to this to be in the position like the first image immediately after the combo attack, but on the opposite side, and then move up. Pretty sure that would do the trick. But getting that in position requires the Goodfellows moving during the combo attack, so it's way harder to set up.

[vapid heron]

I compiled a history of this thread and best scores!

anything goes: 11 (merijn)
dashless: 17 (merijn)
dashfull: 21 (omppu1900) 16 (merijn) (also best bombless shieldless)
"spelless": 34 (Grolter)
layerless: 13 (merijn)
spells on one side only: 29 (Grolter) (also side one only) (dashless -- 1 lance, 39 (Grolter))

bombless: 20 (The Book Wyrm) (dashless: 25 (Grolter) (also shieldless: 30 (Grolter)))

1 cut: 43 (Grolter), 1 chop: 77 (Grolter), 1 splinter: 57 (Grolter), 1 lance: 39 (Grolter)
// (all with the spell on side 1)
2+ cuts: 41 (Grolter), 2+ chops/splinters - no runs (so same as 1)
2 bombs: 23 (Grolter), 3 bombs: 17 (Grolter)
// ^ 3 above lines but with dashes/shields/counterfeit, anyone?
2 bombs with dashes: 13 (merijn)

hard softlock (can't move): 16 (Grolter) (dashless), 17 (Grolter) (spelless)
softlock (can't win & die): 1 (merijn) (dashless: 5 (merijn))

friend home: 14 (Grolter) (?), (dashless, but damages, uses bomb) // damageless, bombless ?
friend home alone: 18 (Grolter) (?), (bombless: 18 (The Book Wyrm))

2 friends? -- refer to The Book Wyrm's messages, maybe ask for notes
infinitely in/out? -- yes (but no friends)

barriers bypassing technique:
deterministic: coin replacement & dash
nondeterministic: blow it up with the dust bomb for 1 move window (sometimes doesn't work)
-- actually, same goes for opening gates after defeating enemies, sometimes that lags by 1 move

goodfellow ai:
patrol mode (4+ away)
1 near (incl diagonal) --> 3 combo, wait 1-2 turns, back dash (if near enough)
after dash --> 2 combo, wait 1-2, no back dash
2-3 near --> lance attack, wait 1
directions are checked clockwise (start where?)

[sorry for such long messages x.x]

[let me actually remove solutions history from here and put it as a text file]

[copper current]

if you want a dashless softlock it takes 5 moves

because that would be:

up
place bomb
up
place counterfeit
up
down
down
softlocked.

[stuck crane]

omg grolter incredible work

a true historian

i can't believe this challenge has only been up for 5 days lmao feels like a whole era

i will def be referring to this when it comes to making videos ty my goat

[copper current]

okay but does shieldless need to be specified

its shield

anyway if a scoreboard is so nicely lined up...

you know it would be a shame

[vapid heron]

I was looking at shieldless categories, but they all coincided with some other solutions, so I just mentioned it there

[copper current]

🎲 Spellsided Rotating #3: Goodfellowship - 16 moves
||
1️⃣ Cut + Dash
2️⃣ Dash
3️⃣ Counterfeit + Cut + Dash
4️⃣ Chop + Champion's Lance + Dash
5️⃣ Splinter + Cut + Dash
6️⃣ Dash

⬆️⏺️⬆️⬆️⬆️ ⬆️⬅️⬇️➡️⬅️
➡️⬆️➡️➡️⬆️ ⬆️⬆️
||
improved all dashes. and bombless by extension.

we do a mild amount of trolling

[vapid heron]

My "progress" on 2 bombs

(This is a funny ending :)

[copper current]

oh 2 bombs.

one moment

🎲 Spellsided Rotating #3: Goodfellowship -|| 29|| moves
||
1️⃣ mild
2️⃣ Dust Bomb
3️⃣ amounts
4️⃣ Dust Bomb
5️⃣ off
6️⃣ trolling

⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️ ➡️⬅️⬅️⬆️⬇️
⬅️⏺️⬅️⬇️➡️ ➡️➡️⬆️⏺️➡️
➡️⬆️⬅️⬅️⬆️ ⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️
⬆️
||

[vapid heron]

🎲 Spellsided Rotating #3: Goodfellowship - ||29|| moves

||1️⃣ nota Bomb
2️⃣ Dust Bomb
3️⃣ nota Bomb
4️⃣ Dust Bomb
5️⃣ nota Bomb
6️⃣ nota Bomb

⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️ ⬆️➡️➡️⬆️⏺️
⬇️⬇️⬇️⬅️⬆️ ⬆️➡️➡️⏺️⬇️
⬅️⬅️⬅️⬆️⬆️ ⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️
⬆️||
I wonder if same, also ignore one of these 3 bombs (only 2 used) removed the extra one.

Different ones :)

[copper current]

nuh uh

🎲 Spellsided Rotating #3: Goodfellowship - ||25|| moves
||
1️⃣ denied
2️⃣ no sharing
3️⃣ something
4️⃣ Dust Bomb
5️⃣ something evil villian
6️⃣ Dust Bomb

⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️ ➡️⬅️⬅️⬆️⬅️
⬆️⬆️➡️⏺️➡️ ⏺️➡️⬇️⬇️⬅️
⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️ ⬆️⬆️
||

alright uh wahts next on the list

spelless sure

[vapid heron]

(at least I still will have my 1 cut 1 chop 1 splinter and 1 lance x.x)

Dashless hard softlock in 16

UUULL LUQUR LRDDL RL

For the hard softlock, I have a challenge, actually: try to get stuck in the center (without touching walls)

[copper current]

||
1️⃣ Chop + Champion's Lance + Dash
2️⃣ Cut
3️⃣ Counterfeit + Dash
4️⃣ Dust Bomb
5️⃣ Dust Bomb
6️⃣ Dash
||

🎲 Spellsided Rotating #3: Goodfellowship - 34 moves

1️⃣
2️⃣
3️⃣
4️⃣
5️⃣
6️⃣

⬆️⏺️⬆️⬆️⏺️ ⬅️⏺️⬆️⬆️⬆️
➡️⬆️⬇️⬆️⬇️ ⬆️⬇️⬇️⬇️⏺️
⬇️⬅️⬆️⏺️⬇️ ➡️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️
⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️ ⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️

I found a line and lost it so it took longer

wait thats the same amount

dang

eh I dont care enough anymore its a pain to do that one

not being able to save runs you didnt finish

is such a pain

[vapid heron]

I managed to do it after shuffling around, but I have no idea what exact moves I did. Feels very funny though :)

[vapid heron]

Yay, I get to keep my spelless record! (...which is using your 11 moves record beginning, which is much cooler :)

[vapid heron]

Wow, this one is quite satisfying actually :)

[vapid heron]

Got one of my own too (again, ignore one of these bombs)

🎲 Spellsided Rotating #3: Goodfellowship - 25 moves

1️⃣
2️⃣
3️⃣ Dust Bomb
4️⃣ Dust Bomb
5️⃣
6️⃣

⬆️⬆️⬆️➡️⬆️ ⬅️⬆️⬅️⬆️⬅️
⬆️⬆️➡️⏺️➡️ ➡️⏺️⬇️⬇️⬅️
⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️ ⬆️⬆️

Actually...

🎲 Spellsided Rotating #3: Goodfellowship - 23 moves

||1️⃣ nota Bomb
2️⃣ nota Bomb
3️⃣ Dust Bomb
4️⃣ Dust Bomb
5️⃣ nota Bomb
6️⃣ nota Bomb

⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️ ⬅️⬆️⬅️⬅️⬆️
⬆️➡️⏺️➡️⬆️ ➡️⏺️⬇️⬇️⬆️
⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️||

Now I'm the master of single weapon runs :) (for now, anyways)

[vapid heron]

bombless dashless (and no shield or counterfeit)

🎲 Spellsided Rotating #3: Goodfellowship - 30 moves

1️⃣ Chop + Champion's Lance
2️⃣
3️⃣ Cut
4️⃣
5️⃣
6️⃣

⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️ ⬇️⬆️⬇️⬆️⬆️
⬇️⬆️⬆️➡️⬆️ ⬅️⬅️⬇️⬅️⬆️
➡️⬆️⬇️➡️⬆️ ⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️

bombless dashless (with a shield):

🎲 Spellsided Rotating #3: Goodfellowship - 25 moves

1️⃣
2️⃣ Cut
3️⃣
4️⃣ Cut
5️⃣ Splinter
6️⃣ Chop + Champion's Lance + Shield

⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️ ⬆️⬆️⬅️⬇️⬇️
⬆️⬆️➡️⬆️⬆️ ➡️➡️⬅️⬅️⬅️
⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️

[stuck crane]

lol the best solution for defeating one goodfellow (with level-one faces) was 22. literally double what it took to blow up three of them in this challenge

[copper current]

to be fair.

the goodfellows only have 1.5x more hp then that one

meanwhile the dice is like. more then 3 times stronger then the one in that challenge

[stuck crane]

@vapid heron are you okay with having your username, profile pic, and possibly some messages featured in a video? can easily leave them out if not

[vapid heron]

Sure, it's fine :)

[vapid heron]

🎲 Spellsided Rotating #3: Goodfellowship - 60 moves

1️⃣ Cut + Dash
2️⃣ Dash
3️⃣ Dash
4️⃣ Dash
5️⃣ Dash
6️⃣ Dash

||⬆️⬆️➡️⬆️⬆️ ➡️⬅️⬇️➡️⬆️
⬅️⬅️⬆️⬆️⬇️ ⬆️⬅️➡️⬇️⬅️
⬇️⬇️➡️➡️⬆️ ⬅️⬇️⬆️⬇️⬆️
⬇️➡️⬇️⬅️⬅️ ➡️⬅️➡️⬆️➡️
⬇️⬇️⬆️⬇️➡️ ➡️⬆️⬇️⬆️⬇️
⬆️⬇️⬆️⬇️⬆️ ⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️||

This is surprisingly hard, fulldash + 1 cut

[stuck crane]

video is up! i think i did the best i could to recap everything you guys did

[copper current]

this sure has been the challenge of all time.
at least the next challenge will be more reasonable. [insert clueless]

[marble robin]

what is Good my Fellows

[vapid heron]

Great video! :)

I wonder if all the different categories will at some point get a video too, as so many messages and time is spent on various restrictions on what spells we can use

For this level it kinda blew up actually, with 1 cut/1 .../... only challenges, but for almost all levels dashless is quite interesting, and sometimes dashfull is too (if we are given 6 dashes). Spelless is kinda funny, but can also be interesting if actually possible. Shieldless (and bombless for this level) when they give you an advantage. Layerless or 1 side only could also be very interesting categories (though we did but spend much time on these here, especially since layerless is already achieved with bombs, write 1 side is just a dashed lance, but as categories these definitely hold potential) (edit: also, layerless bombless would be interesting possibly)

Nice to see the bombless best solution used in the opening though (even if silently), is pretty fun :) Dunno if the end scene features any other solutions, hard to see what happens there

Hmm, one seems like a lance+splinter on side one attempt? That definitely sounds fun...

Hmm, I want to say the other one is also the 20 moves dashless, but hard to be sure

[distant needle]

So the next puzzle is a shield puzzle correct?

[soft cliff]

all puzzles are shield puzzles if you believe

[vapid heron]

🎲 Spellsided Rotating #3: Goodfellowship - 110 moves

1️⃣ Chop + Dash
2️⃣ Dash
3️⃣ Dash
4️⃣ Dash
5️⃣ Dash
6️⃣ Dash

||⬆️⬆️➡️➡️⬆️ ⬇️⬆️⬇️⬆️⬅️
⬆️➡️⬇️⬅️⬅️ ⬅️⬇️➡️➡️⬆️
⬇️⬅️⬆️➡️⬅️ ⬅️⬇️➡️⬆️⬇️
⬆️⬇️⬆️➡️⬆️ ⬆️⬆️⬇️➡️⬅️
⬆️⬇️⬅️⬇️⬇️ ⬇️⬆️⬇️⬆️⬇️
⬆️➡️⬆️⬆️⬅️ ⬆️⬇️➡️⬇️⬇️
⬇️⬅️➡️⬆️⬇️ ⬆️⬇️⬆️⬅️⬆️
➡️➡️⬅️➡️⬅️ ➡️⬅️⬇️⬇️⬆️
➡️⬅️⬅️⬆️⬆️ ⬇️⬆️⬇️➡️⬇️
⬅️⬅️➡️⬅️➡️ ⬅️➡️⬆️➡️⬇️
⬇️⬆️⬇️⬆️⬇️ ⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️||

fulldash + 1 chop, super unoptimized x.x

But this is quite hard, with full dash (and each new weapon you restrict yourself to) you have to relearn fellow's movement kinda

[stuck crane]

CHALLENGE ENDED 💔

thank you everyone who participated ⚔️

[copper current]

the devs cancelled friends

they are evil

its confirmed

[smoky kite]

You know just before this I was talking to someone about how useless dust bomb was lol

[copper current]

true dust bomb just existed. and then it became incredibly funny

[smoky kite]

Can’t wait for us to reach a new area and for “dust bomb” to be upgraded to just “bomb” lol

[smoky kite]

RIP selfcest polycule

[vapid heron]

ominously but I'll be back, mwhahahahaha

[vapid heron]

ominously