I feel like appending Art to something that isn't made by a person isn't art I would go for Generated Images or something of that sort but AI "Art" is just generated not made.
#Rename #AI-Image-Art to #AI-Images
echo ice
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echo ice
I would like to see some discussion on why some people disagree with this statement
limber coyote
There has already been a lot of discussion outside of this server on whether or not AI-generated images can be considered art. I don’t think it’s worth it to start a new debate here on something like this.
#🏙│ai-images is already separated from #1159290730200707153 , so I think it’s good as it is.
echo ice
It would be better to just remove the art part from #🏙│ai-images to one broaden the scope of ai-images and two stop the discusstion from poping up again.
thorn mauve
I would like to see some discussion on why some people disagree with this statem...
while i wouldnt call myself artist, i dont just click generate and thats it
it might take time to make the image u wanted and some images are very difficult to make so i think it could be considered some kind of art
i dont mind the change itself, it doesnt really matter, but its pretty clear to me that art could be made using AI
echo ice
while i wouldnt call myself artist, i dont just click generate and thats it
it m...
Coming from a [pixel] artist's perspective AI "art" is just making a good enough prompt to generate such images and there is not even a quarter of skill or creativity behind AI art. Not to say that SD doesn't have a purpose it just shouldn't be stated that AI makes art when it doesn't even think about what its making let alone what art is or even how to think at all.
On top of that AI is just doing what it was trained on its just fitting the data it was given.
thorn mauve
Coming from a [pixel] artist's perspective AI "art" is just making a good enough...
I can say that when im making images, i have a specific image i want to make, most of the time, and ofcourse im not the only one
and yeah it was trained on that data, but the possibilities are endless and creativity is something you can use to make it better
echo ice
I can say that when im making images, i have a specific image i want to make, mo...
True, it is your creativity and determination to generate such images, however it is a spit in the face to whoever made the original art and quite frankly if you download a pretrained model you truly do not know where the dataset came from and you should be able to trust that they got the permission from the original artist this is not the common case though. The most common case is that they just scraped it off the internet without permission and included it in the dataset.
I would be for models that get their dataset legitimately however we wouldn't know due to the asymmetric processes of training
thorn mauve
True, it is your creativity and determination to generate such images, however i...
yeah i agree with you on that, tho it another case and isnt related to how people use the AI for the output
echo ice
I feel like when a machine creates art it isn't art but when a human creates art it is art because the human isn't a machine in the way that a computer is
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echo ice
I feel like when a machine creates art it isn't art but when a human creates art...
not to say digital art isn't art it is if it is made by a human.
anyway
echo ice
uhhh
thorn mauve
not to say digital art isn't art it is if it is made by a human.
digital art uses a lot of AI tools, its just not named AI
echo ice
As much as it is a short cut
But its fine if its used as a reference
But just posting the generated image isnt art
Art is human
void heart
If you don't have the skill to use AI for art, that is okay Nugget. Some do
Your skills lie in pixel art, probably, or whatever it is you're into
echo ice
There isn't really any skill for making a prompt to generate an image, if you are using it as a reference and taking ideas from it is fine but calling it art is wrong. I take back what I said about tracing a generated image too.
limber coyote
echo ice
^^^^
limber coyote
This screenshot was supposed to prove that AI art is art indeed
echo ice
Human activity.
limber coyote
It's still an human activity to generate prompts, because you still have to think and imagine exactly what you want. The AI isn't going to think for you. It also serves to express ideas or emotions.
It's just another way of conveying feelings, even if it's not "hand-drawn"
echo ice
its not creative to use a program to generate such images
it removes the human part of art
making it just bland and repetitive
and let alone the theft of art for datasets
limber coyote
Hearing that means you probably haven't used image-generation softwares like this yourself.
It's harder than it sounds like
As for the "human" part you've just talked about, that's why we separated #1159290730200707153 and #🏙│ai-images. It's another category, but it still remains art.
echo ice
anyway
no matter how human your prompt is it doesn't matter when you aren't the one drawing it.
thorn mauve
no matter how human your prompt is it doesn't matter when you aren't the one dra...
so what about photography? no picture is made by human and its just to click the button... so you saying that no photograph that was ever taken could be called art?
echo ice
so what about photography? no picture is made by human and its just to click the...
Photography is art because of how much time it takes to get a good shot your reasoning is like “if i take one brush and make one streak thats a good painting” when it is not.
thorn mauve
Photography is art because of how much time it takes to get a good shot your rea...
i dont know how you were making ai images, but if you only click generate then obviously it wouldnt be art
echo ice
A camera is like a tool and gives you a picture, a generator for art isn’t because it skips the entire process of making art no matter if you made a human prompt or not.
thorn mauve
i dont understand, you click on the camera and get a picture, and you just copy whatever is in front of you
echo ice
Thats a tool
Ai “art” takes nothing but a couple words or phrases and turns it into a image.
thorn mauve
but stable diffusion is a tool too, you can enhance your workflow like photoshop for photographers and artists
echo ice
Yes, SD can be used in a creative aspect but when a entire image is created using it its not creative nor art.
thorn mauve
so, back to our discussion, do you still say AI images couldnt be considered art?
echo ice
Yeah they shouldn’t. Unless used as a reference it isnt art.
thorn mauve
again, im not talking about clicking generate and thats it
knowing that i have a specific image i want to make, and AI alone wouldnt be able to make without human guidance, would you still say anything you create that way isnt art?
echo ice
You could do the exact same with a artist.
Thats the difference
Ai art isn’t made by a human therefore, it isn’t art.
thorn mauve
huh
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echo ice
The only art of ai art is the prompt used to generate it
thorn mauve
its really not
echo ice
Alright.
thorn mauve
how far have you tried to create something unique using AI?
AI art is for a few months already isnt controlled just by prompt
there are so many factors
echo ice
Ill hit that question with a question, how long have you been doing any form of art?
That isn’t AI generated.
thorn mauve
as a person without any skill of drawing, i started 8 months ago
echo ice
Alright and answer your own question how long have you been generating art?
To answer your question i have done about like 20 to 25 images max
thorn mauve
i understand what your are trying to say, but does a person without any talent for drawing shouldnt try to make his own art?
echo ice
To answer your question i have done about like 20 to 25 images max
and around 1 to 3 years making pixel art.
echo ice
i understand what your are trying to say, but does a person without any talent f...
There is a first for everything.
thorn mauve
some people just dont have the talent for that, and wouldnt be able to create the things they want no matter how hard they try
AI is my solution
echo ice
Alright
thorn mauve
i just think that AI is like how photoshop was when it was out
people would use it to their advantage
including artists
photoshop was considered to make the 'easy life' for artists at that time, and today its a tool to enhance your workflow, just like AI today, and soon in the future
echo ice
some people just dont have the talent for that, and wouldnt be able to create th...
Though I have been a predicament like yours, where I didn’t take advice or advantage of what feedback i was given I changed my mindset from making the best art piece to get the most progress to achieve my goal.
I can understand where your coming from now.
Art is human and when you use something like SD to make something that is similar to art and then take references and ideas from such images thats art and so is the prompt that you put in to generate references.
Or if you edit a image that came from SD that is now considered art. (Example: un-screwing up the hands or legs)
thorn mauve
well, I wouldnt consider clicking generate as art, and thats what I was talking about when making AI images
I have images to which I edited and worked hours to make and fix, and by that point, the AI part is almost wouldnt be recognizable, and even if it is, I know the image wouldnt be that way with only AI no matter what
echo ice
At that point yeah that is no longer generated art its just plain art.
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ancient crown
Tbh this seems more like hate against ai art more than a suggestion
golden jay
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