│mouthwashing

[proper trail]

Chat mouthwash this dude

[glossy harness]

I know it's just bait but... comparing 2 completely different games it's so crazy

Both in mechanics and theme

It's like comparing bananas to a brush

What are you even trying to compare???

[velvet verge]

The best mouthwash animatic

[velvet verge]

Relax
do not pay attention

[ripe lynx]

gk

gygks

효햔아

하..

[soft perch]

as he should

[cloud vault]

Yea, it's so weird. Buckshot Roulette is a high paced game where you put your life on the line to play against The Dealer in 3 rounds of Buckshot Roulette (basically Russian Roulette but with a shotgun)... There's not much else to the main game. Then there's what I call "add-on content" such as Double or Nothing and Multiplayer. The game doesn't really have a story or theme... Well besides what I always sorta see as a slight theme of addiction (such as items like beer and cigs being helpful items and also the whole high stakes part being important...).. MEANWHILE Mouthwashing is a horror game about 5 people on a spaceship who are now drifting through space and all are slowly going insane (obviously can't really say much else without spoiling) and the game is more narrative focused...

[soft perch]

Mouthwashing the game is a far superior strategy to the classic buckshotting approach, offering a more nuanced and effective way to dominate the competition. At its core, mouthwashing involves carefully and methodically rinsing the game board, systematically clearing out opponents' pieces one by one rather than relying on the brute force of a buckshot blast. This deliberate, surgical strike allows for greater control and precision, enabling the player to surgically remove threats while maximizing the placement of their own forces. In contrast, buckshotting is a more reckless and indiscriminate tactic, spraying the board with a wide dispersal of attacks that may take out some enemy pieces but often leaves your own vulnerable and exposed. Mouthwashing, on the other hand, is like a skilled surgeon removing a tumor - it's a delicate process that requires patience and finesse, but yields far more reliable and realistic results. Furthermore, the act of mouthwashing the game itself carries a certain psychological weight, creating a sense of unease and discomfort for opponents as they watch their carefully laid plans systematically dismantled piece by piece. There's an undeniable elegance and grace to the mouthwashing approach that simply cannot be matched by the brute force of buckshotting. In the end, those who understand the meaning of mouthwashing will find themselves emerging victorious time and time again, their opponents left wondering what hit them as their defenses crumble under the relentless, methodical onslaught.

thank god i passed ap english for this to work

[cloud vault]

.....oh

[velvet verge]

You're a writer, man.

[soft perch]

though the surgical sense doesn't have a correlation to what the game dictates

[velvet verge]

metaphor

[soft perch]

really?

i just wrote what i thought

[velvet verge]

Well, you're very good at speaking out.

[soft perch]

thanks it took me a LOONG time to snip and mix-match pieces within the lore

honestly loved it though

[velvet verge]

Perhaps (not a fact) I could do the same
but not in english.

[soft perch]

do your own twist with it I love reading these sorta things

[frank dew]

Whay

What

[soft perch]

even when i joined a day ago

[frank dew]

😟

[blissful musk]

https://tenor.com/view/kill-this-guy-with-hammers-gif-11774906233371367374

[soft perch]

maturity differences

its just a ship no one is DYING over it

but still

it is weird

[velvet verge]

Everyone is dead from each other

[proper trail]

No they both are tahts the whole point of it beng toxic

Also omg midra hii

[soft perch]

i was exaggerating it trust me🥀

[shell vapor]

creep-

[amber folio]

Ai ahh response

[worldly thistle]

Curly 🔛🔝

Anya is my baby tho

[bronze stag]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/368089564000026624/843903777148502078/image0.gif

[foggy kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/mouth-washing-mouthwash-mouthwashing-mouth-wash-500-cigarettes-gif-2874686686585751071

[amber folio]

https://tenor.com/view/mouth-washing-mouthwash-mouthwashing-mouth-wash-500-cigarettes-gif-2874686686585751071

[proper trail]

https://tenor.com/view/mouth-washing-mouthwash-mouthwashing-mouth-wash-500-cigarettes-gif-2874686686585751071

[amber folio]

guys instead of "put the fries in the bag" we should all say "put the curly in the bag"

[foggy kelp]

put the leg in the bag

[amber folio]

put the leg in your mouth

[foggy kelp]

Yeah boss

[vague bone]

where can i send fanart

[jolly remnant]

I've seen people put fanart both in this channel and the mouthwashing spoiler channel, obv stuff that's spoiler based in the latter

[vague bone]

okk

[shy crow]

slayed

[sinful trout]

ate

[soft perch]

ngl 50 percent of it was made on a whim and the other 50 is just yapping

[proper trail]

what if his name was snurly

[mellow forum]

Did I already say that I love curly

I'm going to bite your ankle

yes

https://tenor.com/view/curly-my-beloved-mouthwashing-gif-4971263050121252232

[cunning igloo]

hiii yall

[amber folio]

I love daisuke witb this sound

[cloud vault]

....you know what. This gives me a ship: anyuke :3 Anya x Daisuke.

[mellow forum]

GELP

I love Daisuke

[fierce meteor]

ITS ALL OVER MY SCREEN 😭😭

[mellow forum]

daisuke was recording

It's true

I was the fake window

[fierce meteor]

HAHA he actually would though

probably bribed him with more mouthwash

[mellow forum]

Favorite drink:

[cloud vault]

-# on further note: I have decided this is cringe./j

[mellow forum]

-# lol

[fierce meteor]

after seeing the head cannons that Daisuke calls Anya mom when he's sick I can't see them that way 💔

[mellow forum]

-# I can't see them more than friends

[fierce meteor]

idk how to do that but real

[cloud vault]

Exactly why I deemed it cringe. They have more of a familial relationship than a love relationship

[mellow forum]

-# like this

[fierce meteor]

I can't see Daisuke being more than being friends/having a family dynamic with them

[mellow forum]

SO REAL

[fierce meteor]

-# thank you

[mellow forum]

I'm going to cry I've seen JERRYCAN X DAISUKE

😭

[fierce meteor]

oh cuz u put a /j so

[fierce meteor]

NAHHH WHAT THE HELL

[mellow forum]

I SWEAR THERE'S EVEN PICMIX OF IT

[fierce meteor]

why is it that the game's premise goes in one ear and out the other for some people 😭

[mellow forum]

LOOK AT THIS

I'm sobbing

[fierce meteor]

that one jimbalaya and curly gif....

[cloud vault]

THATS THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF THEIR RELATIONSHIP THO-

[fierce meteor]

HSGSHSHAHA

THAT HAS TO BE SATIRE OMFG

[mellow forum]

WHY ARE WE SCREAMING

[cloud vault]

BECAUSE SEEING JERKY X DAISUKE MAKES ME MAD-

[mellow forum]

TRUE

guys

[cloud vault]

-# also, out of character here, I love the gag of never called Jake by his real name.

-# he doesn't deserve to be called his actual name

[mellow forum]

-# have you seen the list?

-# are we whispering now...

[mellow forum]

-# its massive!

[cloud vault]

.....show me

[cloud vault]

-# ....don't make the joke. Stay PG... Stay PG

[fierce meteor]

nahhh😭

[fierce meteor]

-# where did you see that...

[amber folio]

-# shhhh, the curlys are sleeping..........

[amber folio]

guys should i make an online hear me out cake

[subtle jolt]

Fantastic idea

[amber folio]

https://magma.com/d/RONqYmLMjq

here you go

[fierce meteor]

😈

[amber folio]

SIGH...

my only member left!

[thorny dirge]

Good morning mouthwashers

[remote glen]

WWHAT IS ALL OVER YOUR SCREEN.. UHM..

[remote glen]

daisuke who helps with thirrt traps ❤️‍🩹

[fierce meteor]

I forgot that I can't access magma on my phone so I can't even..

[fierce meteor]

THE SWANSUSSY 😭

[amber folio]

Ok

[fierce meteor]

AWW U DREW AN ACTUAL CAKE

[amber folio]

yes!

[fierce meteor]

curly pre crash tho..💋

[amber folio]

real

yal

want a mouldy pumpkin that has shrunken 8x and has live maggots

for infinite money and ur dream life

or this lollipop for dream house and 900 dollars

ok so both?

Yes

bet

lemme get a pic of the pump

[thorny dirge]

Swansussy...? 😭

[amber folio]

dude it ddi the opposite of bloat

its caving in and shrunken already

for the maggots?

i think its fine

itll last another week or so

zoom in

im NOT touching that

DUDE

WDYM

IM SCARED NOW

Thats maggots

hell naw

they are in my home

HOW DID THEY SPAWN

It wont burn its wet

My moms gona throw it away

☹️

Im scared

Ts scary

[fierce meteor]

Look at the video..it's actually real😓

[fierce meteor]

Why is there hair under it

[blissful musk]

arghhhh why has nobody made mouthwashing gmod stuff yet i am going to scream

[cloud vault]

I want there to be only a J-pop ragdoll so I can prop him up and kill him over and over again :3 all my homies hate jordan

[blissful musk]

and a curly pm so he can have his revenge

[cloud vault]

YEA!

[blissful musk]

actually just give them all player models so they can all condemn jargon to eternal torture

[cloud vault]

Jerald deserves it (I am really stretching for names here-)

[blissful musk]

jasshole
juckface
jorrible jerson

jeserves jo je jeternally jorjured jin jell

[worldly saffron]

Decided to join the server after playing and say that it was probably one of my fav games of this year hands down so hi hello

[void wing]

ANYAAAA and some Daisukes I drew ( ~-)~

[worldly saffron]

(And I wanted people to geek about it with lol )

[void wing]

That’s so real

[void wing]

Ya’ll I made this thingy too 😔 but I haven’t even printed it out yet

[worldly saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/daisuke-daisuke-mouthwashing-mouthwashing-mouthwashing-daisuke-picmix-gif-1418086145470603598

[proper trail]

Gn Mouthies

[amber folio]

Dead body

[blazing prism]

is it ok to post art here-??

stupid question mb chat

[cloud vault]

It's oke, if it does contain spoilers I would suggest going to #│mouthwashing-spoilers-zone lol

[blazing prism]

ooh ok

silly guys

[keen slate]

epic

[blazing prism]

ty!!

[keen slate]

yw!!

[spark falcon]

hi :)

[blazing prism]

hello

[torn cargo]

depression

[orchid wind]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1262441130696376390/1298303641022627840/media-iv.gif

[amber folio]

I got 500 followers in a day

[amber folio]

digestion

[torn cargo]

Both things that happen in this story

making fanfic

[blissful musk]

#│memes is down the hall, to the right, and into the bottomless pit

[fierce meteor]

😨

just keeping up w the Halloween spirit IG..

[stoic swan]

Shotgun go boom

[blissful musk]

this fits so well with the game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mMc83y4foU

[soft perch]

damn

cant go wrong with that

[stoic swan]

*I was planning to use this before you answered me

[soft perch]

damn

well played

but I both games are great in their own degree

[vestal sigil]

i lowk giggled 😭🙏

[pearl sentinel]

Who up calling they captain?

[pearl sentinel]

Where are his Eyesuke

[wild apex]

maybe he closed his eyes

[pearl sentinel]

Open them again my sweet boy ❤️

[proper trail]

Gm mouthers

[balmy hare]

WHY

[true anchor]

i cant do the shooting part at all

does that count as a spoiler i hope not

nayways im going insane i spent over an hour trying to shoot the fat guy and i can only so far do 1/3 im tweaking

nvm i got the strategy i think its the luck that i got from joining the server thanks everyone

[tranquil bough]

working on something

[pearl sentinel]

Curly fries :)

[potent trout]

HELP

[foggy kelp]

hello fellow mouthwashers

https://tenor.com/view/anya-mouthwashing-mouthwashing-game-dance-chiruffin-gif-6033943538163298286

[fair valve]

GAY

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/967457482521862174/1302477862032510976/Editor170.gif

[potent trout]

I’m gonna scream why did it say I got pinged and then it vanished

I’m scared

[foggy kelp]

you are gay

you like the same gender don't you

little gay person

[potent trout]

[velvet verge]

evil daiske

[potent trout]

[proper trail]

Normal daisuke 4

[nocturne sail]

sigh

cabt get the game out my mind

the endgibg..

[gilded yarrow]

So real

[nocturne sail]

the endibg just

urgh

[gilded yarrow]

Why couldn’t they just abort Jingle bell 😞

[nocturne sail]

jangledory

[foggy kelp]

the enginl

oo my sol

sol....

badguy....

https://tenor.com/view/guilty-gear-sol-badguy-sol-badguy-guilty-gear-guilty-gear-strive-sparkle-on-gif-7874853378987875106

[proper trail]

Soemtimes i just go "she still thinks he crashed the ship" and whatever i was doing is rUINED

[foggy kelp]

ruined my day :(

[gilded yarrow]

Sending this was optional yk 🙁/j

[radiant cloak]

[orchid skiff]

you guys know trevor hendersons creations?

why does the (get the disinfector) part monster looked like long horse

is it possibly...

evil long horse!?!?1/

i nedto know'

YEAH LOOL

Also looked a bit like meat horse

if only its combined

[nocturne sail]

i think you just need to leave pls

[orchid skiff]

fax

jimmy is such a manipulator and so envious of curly

hes just a disgusting person

the quote

is so interesting

even forced anya pregnant

bro caused everyones death worst way possible

i hope he goes to super hell

wait didnt the mouthwasher infect the wounds of daisuke

if there 100,000 haters of jimmy im alive
if there 10,000 haters of jimmy im alive
if there 1,000 haters of jimmy im alive
if there 100 haters of jimmy im alive
if there 10 haters of jimmy im alive
if there 1 haters of jimmy im alive
if there 0 haters of jimmy im not alive

[potent trout]

Real.

[nocturne sail]

sigh

the devs of mouthwashing will pay

I HATE VAUGE ENDIINGS BUT I LOVE THEM

[potent trout]

Reposts this because (IM NOT TEN STOP IT)

I AM NOT TEN

I PROMISE

[nocturne sail]

i frel like i woukd make a good daisuke

[potent trout]

HELP SAME

I would not make a swansea

I make him sound like he smokes

[nocturne sail]

i wanna dub daisuke so bad im im afraid itll be co ny

[potent trout]

HELRPF

[nocturne sail]

corny*

[potent trout]

YOUW AHTS

YOU WHAT

NOOOO

NOT AGAIN

I made him sound like a cowboy or some shit

HELP

[nocturne sail]

i wanna do it so bad..

[potent trout]

DO IT

[nocturne sail]

bro was hitting that

[potent trout]

I TURNED SWANSEA INTO SATAN OR SOME

[nocturne sail]

what do i dub

[potent trout]

Idk tbh pick a scene you like

I HAD TO DO NONE DEPRESSING SCENES (they’re still depressing)

HELP

I WAS CACKLING

I DONT KNOW WHY I DID AN EXPLOSION NOISE

HELP

[nocturne sail]

hmmm.. im thinking

i dont wanna do smth srs

ill do the thing u did

[gilded yarrow]

burn jam like they did with wicthes!!!

[proper trail]

||Th real biden blast is thinking abt how she sat there in the infirmary fighting thru trauma to save the man who she thought smiled light into her eyes then failed and killed her oh my god im never gettign over it||

[proper trail]

theseare mine now.

[wispy dove]

this game is one of the best written horror games ive ever seen

[mighty pilot]

real. the writing is so well done for his character bc he's so completely irredeemable. the game is so well written and everyone feels so human and alive

[wispy dove]

||the writing to set up the twist of Jimmy being all along is purely beautiful, and horrifying||

[wraith charm]

Does anyone know when Q&A part 2 comes out?

Ah okay

[fervent oriole]

It’s already out

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2475490/view/4441205298304122909

[wraith charm]

Ooooooh thabk you

[balmy hare]

dream

[amber folio]

i got 750 tiktok followers overnight

[soft perch]

this game is so sad yet the community is so lively

[gilded yarrow]

I like how the community is really lively

Sometimes makes u forget what happens to them

[soft perch]

the counterintuitive parts to a destructive game

[gilded yarrow]

I’d still be bawling my eyes out if I kept seeing horrific Daisuke fanart

[silver moss]

hey i'm sorry this is a bit silly but I can't find the bug reports area where I can create a ticket for my issues in mouthwashing

[soft perch]

[silver moss]

does anyone know where I can find it? i'm only seeing a buckshot roulette related one.

[soft perch]

hmm

that I do not know

[silver moss]

unfortunate. i'm having a unity crash on launch

did all the normal troubleshooting steps that usually fix basic shit like that, driver updates, reinstall game, verify game files etc

still crashing unfortunately

[soft perch]

yeah wish I could help but you mostly named all the adviced I'd give for failure to upboot a game

you could look on steam for help they might have something

[silver moss]

yeah I posted to steam and in the forum it's like "you can also make a ticket on our discord!" lmfao

ty though

[balmy hare]

It's called "cope"

Usually when a game events are sad, more the community is lively

And when a game is happy, the community is sad

Copium

[gilded yarrow]

I can’t cope over the ending 😭

[soft perch]

https://tenor.com/view/curly-my-beloved-mouthwashing-gif-5960336233487508019

though daisuke's is truly innocence

he never wanted to go

and was forced

[gilded yarrow]

Yeah

I hope they come out with merch tbh

I want a Daisuke plush on my desk

[silver moss]

i would buy a curly plush

i'm not even mad I can't finish the game

I think the bug will eventually get rectified and i'll eventually get to finish it

[soft perch]

https://tenor.com/view/mouthwashing-daisuke-my-beloved-gif-11452784018774130277

im finding these everywhere

[gilded yarrow]

All my friends are fed up of me sending them Daisuke vids

He’s too silly

[amber folio]

mmmmmmmmmmmmm

[river furnace]

I will never recover from this

[craggy nova]

109775241761342052

[night plume]

i am NOT finishing this so you guys can have it

[serene socket]

HELP

[amber folio]

WHAT

[river iris]

I don’t think being mentally unwell justifies sexual assault

*validates

[jolly remnant]

I really want a Curly plush or tbh any of the non-Jumbotron characters. I already have few plushes from other horror media (Laceygames, Vita Carnis, and Shipwrecked 64 come Dec) and I wanna take them all out for a stupid beach photo shoot

[proper trail]

Ohg ididnt know they made shipwrecked 64 merch

Iwould buy literally any merch wrong organ made i do not care or discern i just need and consume

[jolly remnant]

They had a makeship campaign for a Bucky plush! It was fulfilled like, super fast so I'm hopeful they might do something again for the folks who missed out

[proper trail]

Ohh yea thats a shame its rlly cute

[proper trail]

Not absolving him but its rlly critical to mouthwashing imo that none of us rlly deserve to be the people capitalism turns us into

Even jimmy fundamentally deserves better

But my break is over sooo thats all ican say on that

[silver moss]

I don't think jimmy is mentally ill. He's delusional.

[gilded yarrow]

My friend sent me msg about how they might do merch bc it was in their first QnA thingy I just hope plushies are made

[silver moss]

also now that i've finished the game I have no idea what this person is talking about

[silver moss]

despite this none of the characters in the game make the same decisions that Jimmy does

delusions can be part of mental illness but I doubt that is why jimmy thinks the way he does

[jolly remnant]

Oh yeah I saw that! It's just unclear what exactly the merch will be as its very much "this is something we want to do, but nothing is set in stone." I'd honestly rly hope for plushes but i think some sort of posters/prints would also be cool!

[silver moss]

mentally ill people statistically are nonviolent and more likely to be victims of violence so I don't buy the "actually he was just mentally ill" part

[gilded yarrow]

Man I’d love to have posters of the crew on my wall!!! Without jungle in it Ofc

[silver moss]

||literally when faced w his actions outside the cockpit, he decides to kill everyone and himself so he doesn't look like a bad guy. That's not mentall illness. It's selfishness.||

[gilded yarrow]

Didn’t he crash the ship too because he was jealous of Curly?

[jolly remnant]

I think that even if Jimmy had something mentally going on, its obviously not what made him the awful person he ended up being. That said, I think by late game he was sort of "losing his mind." I dont feel comfortable saying more bc I'm not an expert and also dont have those experiences

[silver moss]

what the fuck

okay let me rewrite since the bot literally nuked my message

[jolly remnant]

Maybe more for spoiler chat but i interpreted that ||it was both jealousy and knowing that once they were on earth he'd have to face the music of what he did to Anya (even if that's only in terms of custody/child support) as well as no longer having a job||

[silver moss]

||jimmy crashed the ship because he did not want to be held responsible for getting anya pregnant against her will. it's heavily implied that he assaulted her. she tells curly in the flashback that she "told him" referring to her reporting him when they got back. He decided to damn the entire crew as he did not want to be held responsible. In a way yes he was jealous of curly, but that wasn't his motivation for killing everyone||

[gilded yarrow]

That makes a lot of sense tbh. I wasn’t paying a lot of attention too when watching a playthrough

[silver moss]

||if that were true, why would anya be on the verge of a psychotic break for most of the game, even actually suffering from several anxiety related attacks||

I don't think anya is a flawed character in terms of her morals

at all

I don't think any of the characters are bad outside of jimmy and to some extent, curly

[jolly remnant]

Thats fair, ||i think i was thinking to much about the conversation in the cockpit where Curly expresses complex feelings about his position and Jimmy's outburst at the party||

[silver moss]

|| they were literally all going to die out there. she couldn't live with jimmy anymore. that doesn't make her a bad person. I dont agree with you at all||

||she outright tells curly "i can't be around him anymore"||

like, yes it is abt analyzing flaws, but I don't see ANY of the characters making the same decisions as ||jimmy||

[soft perch]

more like a psychopath

[silver moss]

I still think it's kind of ridiculous criticism of her character to be like ||she didnt consider the trauma of the other people jimmy damned directly via his decisions, who were all going to die, one of whom did you know what to her.||

one that I dont agree with your assesment on

[snow verge]

petition for a mouthwashing meme channel

[gilded yarrow]

Yes!!!

[silver moss]

okay you didn't give an opinion

lol

[cloud vault]

Uhhh... What's going on

[silver moss]

"she's not perfect" is an opinion lol

[soft perch]

||well she never got to peer into the knowledge of the trauma because of it being held back by curlys own ambitions||

[silver moss]

||how so? i am interested to hear your view||

[snow verge]

when didnt she do that

not putting tags cuz its not needed

[soft perch]

||if you really think about it putting the pieces of the game together the only person she wanted to know deeply and understand was curly, however he withheld that information from her, for reasons he believed to be justified against his own will and nature||

[silver moss]

I thought the point of the game is that you can't run from your mistakes and attempting to sanitize your actions and make yourself look good despite the way you've harmed others you will tear good people down with you

[soft perch]

guys..

its not that serious

[proper trail]

????

[queen rose]

not gonna comment tm but making one’s persons suicides about other people..

[silver moss]

nobody is insulting anyone, I think the point of art is to cause a discussion which is exactly whats happening now

[queen rose]

i dont knowww

[soft perch]

oh no it was because someone threw profanity

i like this debate

keep going

LOL

[silver moss]

ok good 🙂

the bot is a little overzealous, I cant even describe events in the game without it banging me

[queen rose]

🧐

[silver moss]

genuinely this take makes no sense to me. why is this the thing you are picking out and not that ||one single person's decision caused the deaths of all involved, aside from curly, who we do not know the ultimate fate of||

||right, and what jimmy did to her didn't directly cause the trauma that made her do that ||

[amber folio]

uhhh what

[silver moss]

im not pressed it's just a bad take and im saying that as part of our discussion, makes no sense to criticize ||the character who got assaulted||

[silver moss]

what's confusing you, i'll clarify

[amber folio]

theyre not criticizing anya?

[silver moss]

I don't know how i "sound" angry, for questioning your take on the game

[silver moss]

I think if your takeaway from the game was "well, nobody's perfect! they're all flawed" I genuinely think the point was missed

it's debatable

given the circumstances

and I do find it interesting that you still haven't really addressed any of my points about ||jimmy||

lol

I mean, it is though.

[snow verge]

what about her i just got here lol

[cloud vault]

What....

What's going on

[snow verge]

daisuke is perfect frfr 🙏

[cloud vault]

True.

Daisuke is perfect

[silver moss]

it's pretty simple, you made a statement about the work, I replied to it and disagreed and I haven't realy seen you attempt to refute it outside "well imagine how curly must have felt"

[cloud vault]

We can all agree

[snow verge]

in all honestly hes never genuinely did anything wrong if im wrong someone correct me

[silver moss]

||imagine how curly must have felt that he was maimed as a result of a spaceship accident that jimmy caused||

no it's okay you aren't able to defend your points

[gilded yarrow]

real!!!

[snow verge]

yeah that is pretty messed up but if you think about it that was one of the only rooms with a lock

[silver moss]

I dont think you can talk about WHAT she did, without including the WHY she did it.

[cloud vault]

Well also, she was desperate.

She wanted to get it done quick

She was on a ship with a man who she feared

[silver moss]

and make sure nobody could stop her as well

[snow verge]

yeah i agree but what if theres a reason ||she did it in front of curly? im sure theres theories. like what if she did something before killing herself||

[silver moss]

its possible

[cloud vault]

Because she was... Killing herself...

I mean... If you were hell bent on killing yourself, would you want someone to stop you?

Especially by a man you feared

[silver moss]

yes thats exactly why im saying she chose the only room w a lock

out of necessity

listen im not trying to imply anything, I just think its interesting that you leave your complaint abt jimmy as "I hate him end of story" and then you have ALOT more to say about the character that was victimized in the story

like i'm saying, why is that. it's a genuine quesiton and im not trying to insult you or imply you are bad or something

[snow verge]

cockpit had one too

[silver moss]

oooh yeah you're right

[snow verge]

"safety"

goofy ah narrator

jahanki is a bum

[distant cliff]

locking herself in the cockpit probably wasn't an option as well ||likely because she planned on dying with the gun staying hidden||

[silver moss]

i dont think you read my question at all lol

[cloud vault]

Yes. It is bad she did it in front of Curly, and she is flawed in that way. But that does not mean she is inherently uncaring or anything, she just was desperate and broken.

[snow verge]

start off by telling us how your defending jimmy

if you alr did say it again i wasnt here lol

[cloud vault]

I'm just saying. Dw.

[silver moss]

how am I defending jimmy at all

[cloud vault]

Just saying my pov

[snow verge]

mb

wait whats your side of the arguement

why are we arguing bro

[silver moss]

I am saying ||he's responsible for everyone on board's death. and for what he did to anya, which caused the series of events that led him to keep the ship on the track with the space rock||

[snow verge]

jimmys a loser and anyas ignorant end of story

[queen rose]

how is anya ignorant

[silver moss]

I'm saying I dont think Anya, Swansea and Daisuke are really "flawed" per se, and any negative actions they take in the story is as a result of the desperation of the situation they find themselves in.

[queen rose]

im so confused i left for like 10 mins

[silver moss]

you are so incredibly mad because I asked you to defend your statement and disagreed

if you fully read and comprehended the things ive been saying to you I feel like you would not be feeling that way. if you have any questions, I will clarify. but you have to stop accusing me of being mad for asking you to defend your own statement.

it's a piece of art, it is intended to be debated

[cloud vault]

THEY ARE FLAWED JESUS CHRIST.

EVERY CHARACTER IS FLAWED IN A WAY

(well besides Daisuke)

[silver moss]

what's daisuke's flaw, beiing kind of dumb?

[cloud vault]

Well... Yea

[silver moss]

what's swansea's flaw? being negative and going back on his sobriety?

[cloud vault]

He's a newbie

[cloud vault]

Yes.

[snow verge]

||lets be on the side of the argument where anyas going to kill herself NO MATTER what. no talking her out. so killed herself in front of curly which would OBVIOUSLY affect him when she couldve just moved to the cockpit with the pills in hand and locked herself in there rather than with curly. shes ignorant to the fact that she couldve put a major impact on curlys mental health in the process of killing herself.||

[cloud vault]

You're literally saying the flaws

[silver moss]

he went back on his sobriety because they were all going to die lmfao

[distant cliff]

daisukes ego was easily inflated and thats what drove a few things, i guess that could be a flaw 🥲

[crimson citrus]

hello gang 🙏
has anyone else had trouble getting the any% glitched achievement i know there was a patch for it but ive done the run multiple times and timed each one, ive tried skipping from chap 12/13 and still nothing 💔
would anyone know a fix or anyway i can just give it to myself maybe through the files or anything?
idk if this is where i ask but thank u

[snow verge]

||your right but she had the choice of where to do it||

[silver moss]

I kinda feel like he was manipulated by jimmy

[distant cliff]

bc jimmy purposefully went for his ego

[cloud vault]

The final flaw which is Anya is that she was too much of an emotional wreck, she could never think straight

[snow verge]

he aint dumb bro hes the smarted dude in his town and was the best in his junior baseball team tell me how hes not the goat 😎

[silver moss]

so why was she like that

[cloud vault]

Hm?

Wym?

[silver moss]

because she's never depicted before the "event" that causes the events of the game

so we don't really know what her personality is like before she was traumatized

[cloud vault]

You realize flaws can develop at any time, right?

We're talking about DURING the events of the game

[coral galleon]

hello

[snow verge]

in a way yeah

your right

[coral galleon]

eddsworld

pfp

very cool

samesies

[cloud vault]

Finally, we have curly. His major flaw was his naivete and being a people pleaser....

[coral galleon]

what are you guys discussing

[cloud vault]

Anyways. That should wrap up the main crew (besides Jimbo) flaws

[snow verge]

be fr

[cloud vault]

What

[snow verge]

stupid bot deleted my msg

[cloud vault]

The flaws of each character

[snow verge]

we can all agree daisuke isnt flawed though frfr 🙏

i will defend him till i die

[silver moss]

hmm, maybe I just find it strange to criticize the "flaws" the characters show during the events of the game, but in that conversation kind of gloss over why they were behaving that way

[snow verge]

he was young and put his trust into those who were in a higher position than him and that is FAR from wrong

[silver moss]

like, can't we agree that at least one member of the crew is much more flawed than the rest

[snow verge]

cooked

yeah

[coral galleon]

i mean hes obviously mentally ill

[silver moss]

I don't really agree

[coral galleon]

thats what led him to do what he did

[snow verge]

true

[silver moss]

why do you think he's mentally ill lol

[snow verge]

fr

[snow verge]

i wonder

[coral galleon]

because of what he did and the hallucinations he was having

is this a spoiler free chat

or can i say

[silver moss]

||he crashed the ship because he couldn't face the music about what he did||

[coral galleon]

yeah but the only reason he did what he did to anya was because he was mentally ill

yeah he thought he was helping him

[silver moss]

||personally i think the hallucinations are meant more as symbolism for his lack of ability to take responsibility for his actions, even up to the very last moment he was delusional that somehow he could "fix" what he had done||

[coral galleon]

and he definitely went overkill with it, he cut a piece of curly for everyone who was alr dead

[distant cliff]

i have a very crack theory

||anya could've locked herself in with medway with curly because she believed blocking off jims access to him was the best decision||

[coral galleon]

plus he clearly manipulated daisuke

[silver moss]

so like, narcissism isn't a mental illness. neither is a savior complex. idk why you think he would be scizophenric and schizophrenic people are statistically nonviolent.

[pearl sentinel]

I like this one

[coral galleon]

YES

[silver moss]

Yes he's definitely gone completely at this point I agree

butr I dont think that's because he was mentally ill in the first place.

[snow verge]

hes a ||jealous spiteful manipulative gaslighting guilt tripping ungrateful saer who pushes blame on other people whos verbally abusive to ppl like Anya AND abusive to curly LOSERR||

[coral galleon]

okay wait i have a question tho, i played the game yesterday and im still kinda confused on how daisuke got hurt

was it the vent?

[river iris]

Yes

[silver moss]

ok it is but that doesn't really change what I said tbh

[coral galleon]

oh okay yeah i was thinking that but they didnt show anything

[silver moss]

I think you can do those things without being mentally ill

[coral galleon]

yeah and hes like this because hes mentally ill

[silver moss]

stop calling me bro please

like, i have a female name and i'd appreciate if you'd stop that

[snow verge]

he MIGHT be bipolar ngl

[coral galleon]

not really being this insensitive is usually because of a mental illness

[snow verge]

knew it

[coral galleon]

oh yeah youre right

[silver moss]

bro means brother, it's not gender neutral. I

I am asking nicely

[snow verge]

i knew jimmy was bipolar lol so is my dad

[silver moss]

I'm not insulting you. i'm asking you to please stop.

[coral galleon]

true but i was just confused cuz we didnt see anya od until later so i originally thought she had done something

[silver moss]

I read the "visions" in the game more as symbolism for jimmy's guilt

[mossy pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-bounce-boing-spring-horse-spring-gif-14254091749305868944

[crystal prism]

howdy mouthwashers!

[distant cliff]

who up washing they mouth

[snow verge]

jimmy would

[coral galleon]

it could be both youre not wrong

[silver moss]

it could be, you're very right tbh

[coral galleon]

but the only reason he has guilt in the first place is cuz he was mentally ill enough to crash the ship just imo tho

[silver moss]

I don't think he crashed the ship because he was mentally ill though

I think he did that to avoid taking responsibility

[balmy hare]

i mean, all the game is about taking responsibility

[silver moss]

like, obviously it's "crazy" to crash the ship. but people do desperate things to avoid facing the reality of their own decisions

[coral galleon]

yeah but he also manipulated curly into thinking hes correct before crashing the ship

[silver moss]

and alot of people who commit the act that jimmy did often lack the self awareness to realize that they did something bad, which is usually irl why they blame the other party, or being drunk, etc

[distant cliff]

wait what

[silver moss]

I see what you mean, but I think his decision to do it doesn't make him mentally ill even if it seems "crazy"

[coral galleon]

yeah but lacking the self awareness is also narcissism

[coral galleon]

sorry if i spoiled

[mossy pilot]

so what is up with the mentally ill jimmy discussion? i thought he obviously was extremely delusional

[distant cliff]

no i just haven't seen that take before 😭

[mossy pilot]

Like how is this a debate

[silver moss]

I think that calling a person who does something bad mentally ill isn't really fair to people who are actually mentally ill. because most people who are mentally ill are non violent

[balmy hare]

I mean jimmy is mentally ill

[coral galleon]

its not a take tho it happened the only reason curly let jimmy into the cockpit was cuz he got manipulated to let jimmy help him

[balmy hare]

i'm talking about things after the crash

[silver moss]

most people irl who suffer from some type of mental condition are subject to institutional violence

no offense but having mentall illnesses doesn't qualify you to say that with 100% certainty

[coral galleon]

im not mentally ill but i think its pretty obvious going off the fact he made a guy eat his own leg

[balmy hare]

#│mouthwashing-spoilers-zone

[amber folio]

nuh UH

[coral galleon]

oh sorry ive been talking here for a while and nobody said

[bronze stag]

there is another channel thats for spoilers

[soft perch]

can you guys not talk so fast

[balmy hare]

I guess it's good then

[soft perch]

im trying to understand whats going on

and whos arguing

[amber folio]

Im sorry but your takes claire are giving me a headache

[coral galleon]

might be ur lag its not going that fast for me

[silver moss]

i'm sorry I made you think too hard

[amber folio]

Im tweaking

[coral galleon]

or maybe its my lag idk

[crystal prism]

you can be a subject to violence and also commit great amounts of violence

[silver moss]

won't happen again

[coral galleon]

we can both be correct i actually think ur pretty smart for the symbolism thing

[mossy pilot]

i mean i understand your point of view is in good faith and the point you're trying to make here

but you can also separate his actions from his illness. like he's not a caricature or representative of some group of neurodivergent people as a whole, i don't think anyone is just calling him mentally ill out of stigmatization or whatever. just analyzing his character. he is a terrible person its not like anyones excusing it either

[balmy hare]

If you say that, you don't judge peoples. They can just say "omg i got controlled by a demon i'm not guilty'

[soft perch]

no i was timedout

[amber folio]

I got flash to animate mouthwashing but then i drew my sona randomly

[soft perch]

for like

an hour

[coral galleon]

oh LMAO why

[balmy hare]

why ?

[soft perch]

no idea

[balmy hare]

bruh

[amber folio]

Talking too fast

[coral galleon]

oh

[amber folio]

Iif u send 3+ messages too fast timed out

[coral galleon]

damn what that sucks

[silver moss]

thanks, for the most part i've been enjoying the debate outside of people being a bit hyperbolic and argumentative for me asking why they think certain things

[coral galleon]

dumb ass rule

[soft perch]

interesting song choice but i like the display

[amber folio]

Best animation program ive used

[balmy hare]

i'm not good at animating and even worst when it comes to graph editor - but yeah, i tried

[crystal prism]

i think jimmy, is a really good example of a mentally ill villain, like on the levels of tetsuo shima in terms of being well written

[silver moss]

I agree with you, and to some extent actually I think you guys are right, he's probably suffering from more than just being a bad person

[balmy hare]

Jimmy is a villain with ill but not only, he knows what he's doing

[silver moss]

oh whoops this was meant for you @mossy pilot

[coral galleon]

nah its chill this is discord so ofc people will take it to heart but i think both sides of the argument are correct

[amber folio]

I was about to cry tryna find a non virus website

I can send you the file maybe?

[mossy pilot]

Yeah, i get being uncomfortable with the whole "oh he's bad so he must be CRAZY.. one of those SCHIZOPHRENIC PPL..." kinda stuff though. I just dont think thats what most people mean by it, hes just kinda got some screws loose

[silver moss]

i'll be so honest I finished the game ands immediately jumped in here because i wanted to talk about it so it was so fresh inb my mind

[amber folio]

Wiat i dont think i have another code thing for it

Ill just steal one abd see if it works i guess

[silver moss]

I guess I just kind of feel like it's a disservice to the narrative to just write him off as mentally ill and contributes to a negative stigma around people having mental illnesses

[coral galleon]

oh yeah no same here well sort of i finished it yesterday

[soft perch]

wasnt it out of jealously though

[balmy hare]

Imagine talk about mouthwashing without talking about ABSOLUTE DISASTER

[silver moss]

to some extent yes

[soft perch]

then he soon later regretted that action even though his word spoke what he couldnt do

[coral galleon]

i havent liked an indie game like this in a long time so i had to talk to people about it

[silver moss]

this one and signalis are my current favorites.

both of which are heavily inspired by silent hill

[coral galleon]

i havent heard of signalis where can i play it

[coral galleon]

peak ofc

[silver moss]

my main reason I think it's symbolism and not just jimmy being psychotic is silent hill

[silver moss]

it's on steama!!!!

*steam

[soft perch]

yeah causes hes a psychopath he cares for himself not others,

[coral galleon]

last indie game i felt strongly about was cooking companions but that was in 2021 and i dont get the hype i had for it before LMAO

[silver moss]

it's really good. it's an isometrical resident evil/silent hill type of vibe

[soft perch]

he knew once they came back to earth it was all going to the trash 😂

[silver moss]

I mean, to some extent, he does care about curly

[coral galleon]

ill check it out for sure ima put in it my wishlist rn

[soft perch]

and I agree with that statement

[silver moss]

and I think to some extent, he cares about anya as well

I just think he's also delusional

[soft perch]

his sentimentality is only so vague but meticulous in his visions

[silver moss]

and kind of a bad person

[soft perch]

(jimmys visions)

[balmy hare]

i mean this relation was in the first place who brought their gay relationship in fan arts

[coral galleon]

@silver moss i see it is it kinda like the game with the robot girl and shooting

[soft perch]

jimmy caring for anya?

[silver moss]

the game goes out of its way to talk about "hey just because you did something bad doesn't mean you're fully evil" right

[soft perch]

thats an interesting start

[silver moss]

kinda sorta

[amber folio]

Aphex twin

[coral galleon]

just based off of what i saw first glance

[balmy hare]

i mean jimmy never regretted his actions

[coral galleon]

no you're right but i dont think it was really caring for her but more his duties as "captain", like with curly and his pills

[silver moss]

see, now that we're past the disagreements, everyone is having a good debate about the motivations of the characters, which makes mouthwashing very succesful as a piece of art

[balmy hare]

Did he explicitly said sorry to a real based person, or a mental creation of someone ?

[soft perch]

word it in his universe, in his mind he believed he wronged everyone

except anya

isnt that interesting?

[balmy hare]

SO ?

[silver moss]

very good point

[balmy hare]

It's easy to excuse yourself when all is in your mind

[coral galleon]

wait when did he believe this

because he was chased by the fetus human centipede horse

[soft perch]

well this isnt particulary time to mention spoilers

[coral galleon]

just say it

and tag if you need to

[silver moss]

people who do very bad things a very good at excusing their own behavior. for example, many nazis lived to old age after wwII, not everyone had regrets about what they participated in

[coral galleon]

cuz they were manipulated but im not sure who really manipulated jimmy

[balmy hare]

NOBODY

[silver moss]

with that in mind, and having personally had experiences with "friends" like jimmy, it's hard to write off their actions as mental illness

[coral galleon]

could just be some background lore we dunno

[soft perch]

||the issue with this is that the fetus(the horse) symbolized his weird attraction to cartoon horses that he made a reality then counteracting the fact polle=> is what he feared||

[balmy hare]

it would completely kill the story and the overall message

[silver moss]

yesss slay exactly

[coral galleon]

no he wasnt actually attracted to horses he was shitting anya cuz he didnt wanna do the eval

[soft perch]

exactly

[balmy hare]

bruh

[silver moss]

I mean yeah exactly, but then why would he have a vision of that

[soft perch]

||the issue with his attraction to the horse is he made it a reality when he viewed anya as an object, not a person||

[silver moss]

what are they a symbol of?

[coral galleon]

ill brb

[silver moss]

in your mind

[balmy hare]

i think this part was unecessary for the story

the whole chasing scene was too much

[soft perch]

look at my down spoilers

[silver moss]

sure but it's an indie game about trauma, it kind of has to have "visions" lol

[soft perch]

sorry if i didnt specify why the psyc eval thing

[amber folio]

ye

[balmy hare]

life time of the game too

but in story terms

[amber folio]

i dont think that part has a deep meaning

he was js joking

[soft perch]

i even mentioned it saying he made his weird attraction a "joke" a reality

[silver moss]

I don't know if any part of this game was unintentional

I am leaning towards each thing having specific reasons for being present

[balmy hare]

not "unintentional", un necessary

[silver moss]

to give an example from another game

the characters in silent hill aren't just "crazy", the things they see are representations of their guilt n etc

[balmy hare]

*i'll have to rewatch the whole scene because i only have a blurred memory of it

[balmy hare]

curious for a character who does not feel guilty lmao

(jimmy)

[soft perch]

https://tenor.com/view/oppenheimer-oppenheimer-movie-walk-walking-gif-3311223081607307352

he explained it

what i was trying to say

[silver moss]

I think if he didn't feel guilty he wouldn't have had all those dreams/visions. I think they are supposed to represent his feelings about his guilt in a way that's tangible to you as the player

like, they can't force you to feel things

they cant just write on the screen what he's feelingr

that's not effective

[soft perch]

I mean everything scary and weird that happened was in his mind, his visions

[silver moss]

it IS effective to present those feelings as imagery, as films and games and comics often do

[balmy hare]

He's in a spiral of deny, and combined with mental ill, it causes those visions

[silver moss]

||Pyramid head is not a monster, he's a manifestation of James's trauma || <-- silent hill 2 spoilers

[soft perch]

think thats what made this game unique, even if it seems repetitive to the rest of the horro franchise of gaming

[balmy hare]

i mean schizophrenic peoples often get tormented by voices that says "you made it" and all

[soft perch]

hes a bit of a schizo, a bit of a psyco, and a bit of a socialpath

hmm

a little bit of everything

[balmy hare]

but if they weren't tormented they probably wouldn't feel guilty about their acts

[silver moss]

anyway that's my takeaway, no disrespect to anyone who still thinks hes mentally ill. I would maybe agree hes a narcissist

[balmy hare]

^

[silver moss]

I dont really know what this means

[balmy hare]

he's a bit of all

[soft perch]

even if they arent explicitly mentioned he shows some signs of those actions he committed

[balmy hare]

my english sucks ngl 💀

[silver moss]

lmfaooo all good I want to understand

I dont think schizophrenic people are tormented as a result of their actions

[soft perch]

ego,narcissism, gaslighting, selfishness, malevolent

[silver moss]

as not all schizophrenic people are violent

[soft perch]

you can name him for so many things

[silver moss]

some schizophrenic people just like, rip all the wiring out of their house because they thing the government is listening to them

[soft perch]

yet many of them display violence in different ways, not saying all but most

[silver moss]

i just wanna post this here because earlier aron was posting other screenshots from google AI, which you really cant trust

as we are both getting conflicting answers from it

[balmy hare]

schizo or other forms of mental issues

[balmy hare]

but voices in your head (not yours)

[soft perch]

argue however you like

[silver moss]

so this is the study im referring to

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3181618/

here's the link

[soft perch]

but you better have scientific evidence backing up your claims

[silver moss]

there is a studied link between schizophrenia and violence, however the medical documentation of the disorder still states most are non-violent

[balmy hare]

The fragility of someone can lead to violence

[silver moss]

it's quite common for people to label antisocial behavior as "schizo" which is really a disservice to people who actually suffer from these disorders

that's the point I was makingr

also, to be honest, I think it's a lazy read.

[balmy hare]

is jimbo schziophrenic

[silver moss]

but I dont mean to offend anyone when I say that

I just think it's too easy to go "yup hes schizo" and call it a day. I think his character is more complex than that

[soft perch]

I mean this game depicted someone taken from out daily world and thrown into space with someone with less sanity than a pro wrestler

[silver moss]

and honestly, it's scarier and more relatable if he isnt

[soft perch]

of course his character is more complex than that

[balmy hare]

yeah - that's what makes him a good villain

[soft perch]

whos to say he isnt?

great character i say

dare even

[silver moss]

he is a good character

well written

[balmy hare]

||if he wasn't here, mouthwashing wouldn't have a good story||

[soft perch]

his villainous actions make it applaudable almost like it was perfect, then his leniency with curly oooh my god was this good

[soft perch]

would?

[coral galleon]

The horse was supposed to be the fetus in Anya (when he impregnated her without consent)

[soft perch]

yes

[silver moss]

oooooooo

[soft perch]

let me hear me

[coral galleon]

Guys this debate was fun but I gyatta go

[soft perch]

more*

[silver moss]

goated

[balmy hare]

NO KAITO

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[silver moss]

play signalis please

you will like it I think

[coral galleon]

I WILL

Looks cool

[soft perch]

https://tenor.com/view/mouth-washing-mouthwash-mouthwashing-mouth-wash-500-cigarettes-gif-2874686686585751071

[balmy hare]

jimmy naked mod when

[soft perch]

is it worth its preach?

[balmy hare]

[soft perch]

Ive heard of it

[silver moss]

I think it's worth full price, yes

but it's often on sale

oh it's 13.99 rn

[soft perch]

well i meant metaphorically

of course im gonna buy it

[silver moss]

I think it's very good yes

[amber folio]

bald

[silver moss]

I dont know anyone who finished signalis and wasn't like

holy shit that was so good

bonus is

if you are a lesbian irl you will like it alot more

or if you're just a fan of lesbians in general

[balmy hare]

what

you can you be fan of lesbians

how

[soft perch]

interesting

[silver moss]

you could be one who just hasn't transitioned yet, or someone who has alot of lesbian friends

[balmy hare]

aaaaaa

[soft perch]

is that the main premise of the game?

im just joking

[silver moss]

not really haha

but it's a tongue in cheek read that is fun

[balmy hare]

Omg guys is that Mouthwashing ?!

[low topaz]

no thatd be me

[balmy hare]

wow

[soft perch]

uhhh

[torn cargo]

I start this into saying i am not a liscense pyschologist i am a trans girl on the internet who really loves writing and analyzing shit

With jimmy ||when i went through the game and stuff, i always seen him as being a narcissist. At least checking pff most of the boxes Self inflated ego, using people to build himslef up, a constant victim and hero complex , and so forth ||

[silver moss]

I agree w you 100%

[balmy hare]

poor jimmy

we're always talking about him in bad

[soft perch]

fire writing

[torn cargo]

You’re right

Lemme go through his good stuff rq

[soft perch]

unfortunately for you im a depressed teenager

[torn cargo]

||takes put piece of paper…flips it …hm.||

[silver moss]

lol

[balmy hare]

jimmy did a lot of things good

A LOT

before game's events

like

things

[torn cargo]

You’re right

||dying||

[balmy hare]

i need to write a wattpad fanfic about jimmy's past

[torn cargo]

I also think ||Jimmy has always been abusive towards Curly (they’re conversation at the birthday party makes it clear to me that this was NOT the first time Jimmy made curly feel bad or aboyt him||

[soft perch]

i literally was gonna say this

he belittled him for the fact that theyre gonna be let off and blame him for his own issues

sounds a bit like gaslighting hm?

i could go into detail but

[torn cargo]

I msan, ||Jambayly’s entire relationship aith the coworkers can be metaphors for abuse or uhh predatoryness||

[soft perch]

i want to hear what you say

[soft perch]

facts

[torn cargo]

||Anya is obvious. Daisuke was manipulated by the much okder Jimmy into doing something he didn’t want to do (remind you of something) and his actions to “help” him onoy make things works. Jimmy taking advantage of Swansea while drunk for his own benefit and then later blaming Swansea qhen it went wrong||

||And….Curly||

[soft perch]

honestly if you really wanna get logical* everyone was a pawn for jimmy

[silver moss]

yes thats why i think it's kind of wild to have ur takeaway be "everyone was flawed/bad"

[torn cargo]

Yeah pretty much.

Though i say also the fact the true villains are Pony Express because of their blatant negligence and greed

[soft perch]

i mean in a sense the only true villain is the company

excluding jimmy

[torn cargo]

I think i’m a little charitable with the interpretation. Personally nobody should have really aboard the Tulpa

[soft perch]

what the flip we said the samething

[torn cargo]

lmao

[full field]

Imo the horse being the symbol for the company fits. Like in a “overworked and underfed animal” way.

😔 also swansen solos

[soft perch]

yeah the horse as a meaning in its own symbolism

think realistically what happens to horses in general

[full field]

Bros an actual saint. Dying in 3 hits

[full field]

Yeah

[torn cargo]

Jimmy was clearly mentally disturbed in some way, Daisuke was completely inexperienced and lazy, Anya (bless her heart) was underqualified snd didn’t even get into med school. And while Swnasea is a decent guy at his job, he’s also inhospitable and one bad sitiation away feom being a drunk

[soft perch]

swansea so overshadowed

tried his best for the worstoutcome

[full field]

Elaborate im slow

OH yeah

[soft perch]

💔

[full field]

He just like me fr (depressed old man)

[full field]

^. Although

I cant say daisuke is lazy? He’s just a nepo baby

I had a massive rant abt this game i could send it. (I’m normal)

[torn cargo]

Lazy isn’t the right word, but it’s clear he’s not someone who shpuld be apart of the crew, which was on Pony Express

[full field]

^!

[soft perch]

unfortunately all things connect to one purpose, capitalism

[full field]

Life was too simple and easy. He didn’t deserve this

[torn cargo]

The spine of any horror game

[foggy kelp]

I drew him

[soft perch]

indeed

[full field]

Jimmy is so well written.

[full field]

I love this

[foggy kelp]

I haven't drawn in a month

or so

But then again Curly is easy to draw

[torn cargo]

Whether it8s about killee animatronics, killer ink blobs or just some dudes trapped in a ship with mouthwash, capitalism is the true villain

[full field]

I wanna know thoughts abt curly. Tbh. Like why didn’t he do more once he found out Anya and Jimmys situation. Is it because he’s a man? And he doesn’t understand? Is if because he likes Jimmy too much?? Or his captain duties of like. Getting together in one shape

[torn cargo]

Ohh boy

[full field]

YEAH. LIKE

[torn cargo]

This is a fun one throws back a cold one

[full field]

jimmy is a labyrinth but this guy is worse.

[torn cargo]

I like to think ot’s a mixture of a few things

1. Curly is also abused by Jimmy

2. Curly still cares for Jimmy and doesn’t want to get him in trouble (selfishness)

3. Curly was placed in a situation where he knew how Jimmy would react, and didn’t wanna risk setting him off until they (more accurately anya) was somehwere safe and away from him

[full field]

Yeah

[torn cargo]

It’s clear that Curly, like how Jimmy is through the game thinks he can “fix” what happened

[full field]

Was curly also abused? Is that a theory or do you have some backup cuz i like to. Look into that

[full field]

The worst “i can fix him” guy ever

[torn cargo]

No direct evidence buuuut i think you can read how their relationship is (the birthday scene, right before the crash, how Jimmy talks abouy Curly and so forth)

[full field]

People give curly much benefit of the doubt and like Im lost aug

[foggy kelp]

You know why Anya hesitates and Jimmy goes in to give Curly Fries his meds?

It's because of consent

[cloud vault]

Curly's main flaw was he was a naive person who also was a people pleaser

[torn cargo]

AUGGGHH-

[full field]

Oh that too

[full field]

YOURE KILLING ME

[cloud vault]

If he just put his foot down and saw his friend was not ok

[proper trail]

ONE

WHOLE HOUR

[cloud vault]

He would've probably been able to prevent this

But of course

[foggy kelp]

Just like how I'm gonna kill Jimmy

[full field]

Real

Jimmy is so bojack horseman to me. Do we see if. Guys. Guys.

[soft perch]

we can speak for hours on this reason

just alone

4+

[cloud vault]

He was too naive and thought Jimmy would be able to get better, and also that he could resolve it with simple words and being friendly

[full field]

Jimmy also had low self esteem

Bpd /j

[proper trail]

I got cancelled for talkign about the themes of the game just before the big argument thats so unfair I love those

[silver moss]

Personally, if you guys wanna know my view

[proper trail]

Yea jimmy was 100% at least like

[full field]

What dod gou do queen/king

[proper trail]

I said r*pist two times..

[torn cargo]

And also, i wanna say i din’t see what happened to Curly as his “karma” (like jesus christ no)

[full field]

I love curly hes so weird theows him out the window

[silver moss]

yeah its funny you cant say that word given the subject matter of the game

[full field]

Is the game not abt. Is the game not.

[full field]

^??

[full field]

Oh NO NO NO NO

[silver moss]

its fine you just have to have a creative way of describing it

[soft perch]

ok, worse? I dont know

[full field]

Curly was caught in fire of Jimmy dooming everyone for his selfish needs and lack of responsibility

[silver moss]

it wasnt even really a big argument so much as I just asked people to explain their views

[soft perch]

but he couldve implimented different courses of action

[torn cargo]

I’ve seen people literally think that way

[silver moss]

and they got mad abt it

[soft perch]

dw i got timeouted for an hour

but i was brave enough to dm a mod

[silver moss]

anyway, I think that mouthwashing is meant to put the mirror on you as a person in relation to how you view se**al assault

[torn cargo]

Me when someone talks about what happened in a game

[silver moss]

because imo, criticizing the other characters before, or more than you are willing to delve into jimmy's flaws is very telling of how you view these types of things in real life

[full field]

I hate people who make happy aus when anya has that fucking baby

[proper trail]

I just took the l cause im at work anyways lmfao

[full field]

I see and i agree

[proper trail]

Omfg right

[silver moss]

to judge anya for what she did is crazy. she was stuck ||oboard with her abuser for 5 months. she states openly in the game she is afraid of him||

[soft perch]

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