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[proper apex]

wait so how do i get it into blender then?

godot wiki says a array mesh is a mesh made of an array, through code

and i know for sure he did not code this model im pretty sure mike is a normal person who uses blender or maya or whatever

[woeful sequoia]

https://docs.godotengine.org/en/stable/tutorials/3d/procedural_geometry/arraymesh.html

seems to be those .tres files? under the Saving section

i havent used godot much and not for 3D games yet

[proper apex]

what

but like

where is this

cmon theres no way this is actually like

no way he coded this model he did not the vertices are coming from somewhere

[woeful sequoia]

i mean

try looking up load blender model from godot arraymesh idk

[proper apex]

oh no

yep not there

dur dur dur

OH

MIKK IS A SICK MAN

MIKK IS ILL

THIS GUYS ILL DUDE THIS GUYS WEIRD

[woeful sequoia]

i think its improted

imported

that's godot's own magic

https://github.com/godotengine/godot-proposals/issues/442

theres something at the bottom there that might intrigue you idk

cant help much past this point sowwy

[proper apex]

npnpnp ill figger it out

i always do

[proper apex]

got it

scene downloader

mike klubnika is a sick man why is the topology like this

i get theres holes in the top but like that really does not need to continue down the sides and under it

shouldnt even have a underside anyway as its inside of the table and not visible

[tough sinew]

it's known blender issue

with faces

[proper apex]

yeah maybe

anyway so

edited it, and I want to assign the material thats on this to it

same issue as before though, this material just doesnt exist in the files

metal sheet does not exist in the files

are they not assets?

[tough sinew]

it's exist

check albedo

[proper apex]

oh thats just the texture

but what about like roughness and stuff? wouldnt it be good to copy the values over?

also got my teeny tiny little monitor in

modded that mf..,, shii

[tough sinew]

roughness for lighting effect

[proper apex]

so true

[tough sinew]

don't forget to change animation

[proper apex]

wdym

this is a new model

no animation here

[tough sinew]

for camera

to check results

or you don't mind to do this

idk :p

[proper apex]

oh theres not gonna be an animation for the camera

[tough sinew]

i see

[proper apex]

the camera doesnt pan over to this its just there in the gameplay

[proper apex]

i am getting text shown on there though

which is something i wanted to ask about

this health counter doesnt actually have any children relating to whats displayed on it

closest there is are the "health counter errors"

theres no actual text that i can copy and move over to my one

[grizzled rampart]

are we just decompiling the game from the ground up?

[tough sinew]

search health_ui

there's a charge icons

[proper apex]

yea

still yet to figure out how im gna turn this into a "mod"

[proper apex]

not in scene or the filesystem

[tough sinew]

my bad

health counter ui

[tough sinew]

@unborn narwhal need ur help

[proper apex]

oh neat!

how do i turn it on?

already says visible but its not visible

idea for this mod is that it's going to show what shells are currently in the gun, as well as what shells are currently known to you

[tough sinew]

is this cheating?

[unborn narwhal]

ask

[proper apex]

no

just helps you remember what's been fired and what odds you're facing

its cheating if it shows what bullets are in what order but this just shows the stuff you've found out with the magnifying glass and phone

[tough sinew]

i fixed brackets in opengl thanks

[proper apex]

helps u remember fr!

[unborn narwhal]

aight

[tough sinew]

i prefer to panic than thinking :p

so uhm yea i'm done

now i need to export the pck only?

[unborn narwhal]

no you export the entire exe

and pass it to delta patcher to make an xdelta

but the mod will ONLY work with the original buckshot roulette, not with BRML

[tough sinew]

i know

oh

if i leave steam stuff commented, does it affect on gameplay?

[woeful sequoia]

wait what

i'm working on a version of buckshot roulette with brml installed

so i can use the helper functions

[tough sinew]

where i need to grab xdelta patch?

oh

okay, so how i need to make for brml?

[proper apex]

the panic SUCKS

[tough sinew]

basically i need to understand how to use brml for this

[proper apex]

how do you call code when the magnifying glass or the phone find a shell?

i suppose i can just do it by connecting them

[tough sinew]

shell shotgun manager or smth

[proper apex]

yurp

thing is i dont know if the magnifying glass calls code for this as it is just an animation

the phone definitely does as its actual dialogue

but i dont know if the actual value of the shell in the chamber is used anywhere with the magnifying glass

ah no, there is code for it

in ShellExamine

which should be the magnifying glass's code

[warm dirge]

BulletTable....

Does BRML work on Linux?

[proper apex]

what node does ShellEjectManager belong to? theres no object in the scene that its on

[tough sinew]

cuz the bullets are separate scenes

and then manager create them by add child

check in filesystem tscn files

[woeful sequoia]

godot is now hanging on save and i have no clue as to why

[tough sinew]

comment all lines which includes steam

[woeful sequoia]

i

i did that

[tough sinew]

in leaderboard manager.gd, achievment manager.gd steam.gd

[woeful sequoia]

i did that and then it started hanging

[tough sinew]

does your ram using increased?

[woeful sequoia]

yeah it does

its at like 7 gigs

[woeful sequoia]

ok so reverting the changes that i've done godot still hangs and hogs ram

i might just redecomp and start over

[tough sinew]

decomp again and comment every steam stuff

then save

[red fulcrum]

thats a pretty good qol change

[sullen spire]

It kinda feels like cheating, I mean i feel it's more entertaining to have a good memory and try to remember which has been shot and which haven't, if online matches are coming to the game I think that change would make the rounds less fun to play since you won't have that self thinking of which has been shot and which doesn't

[slate edge]

I neeeed my short term memory is asssss

look away for a second and I have no idea the set I'm playing

[tawny marsh]

So modding is encouraged in this game then?

[tough sinew]

yes but no cheat stuff

[tawny marsh]

Sweet.

Cheating is stupid

[unborn narwhal]

if you decomp it and recomp it for linux yeah

but i don't guarantee anything there

[warm dirge]

AFAIK xdelta patchers exist for linux

should i try it?

[unborn narwhal]

oh has LaFaver made em?

[warm dirge]

theres a package xdelta3

[unborn narwhal]

yeah but the xdelta file is for windows

it's gonna return an exe

you could use wine or proton

or decomp it, recomp it and run it natively

maybe I'll think about a linux release

maybe

[jolly flicker]

yo anyone know mod that work with 1.20 steam by using deltapatcher

[proper apex]

ShellEjectManager isn't a manager in the scene

id have to crawl basically every object in the game to find where this is so i can assign the reference

[proper apex]

yeah thats totally fine

i have adhd, so i kind if have issues with remembering a lot of things in a small amount of time which is why this helps for me

[placid stump]

real, if you want something more balanced id consider making it an item of sorts but i litteraly was jsut complaining abt this soooooo

[proper apex]

i mean its always a mod the other person could get

ive no idea how this would work in multiplayer, i dont think it will actually its a purely DoN thing

[red iron]

[19:56:03] An error has occurred: xdelta3: target window checksum mismatch: XD3_INVALID_INPUT

nope

i tried everything

i cant add the new modloader

[warm dirge]

https://github.com/xplanthris/SimpleBuckshotRouletteCounter

GUI overhaul soon

as soon as i fix keybinding despair

[proper apex]

oh

did you literally

[warm dirge]

its an overlay

over your game

try it out

tell me what you think

[proper apex]

I'm like 2 seconds away from finishing my one

[warm dirge]

yeah no problem

besides i like competition

[red iron]

i checked if i can patch my game with the old beta, it worked, but with the new one it just fails

[proper apex]

sorta unfair competition as i have not used godot before

[west rune]

good replacement for my notebook as it's clearly not worth filling my 3€ piss colored notebook that i got for free with random numbers

[proper apex]

i just used notepad on my pc LOL

[west rune]

I should delete Discord ngl

too much of a distractment

[warm dirge]

mine isnt a mod lol

[proper apex]

oh

[warm dirge]

its quite literally an overlay

[proper apex]

oh okay

[warm dirge]

new gui design to be pushed

polarizer support soon ™️

[west rune]

i can't tell if i missed the shotgun shell number showcase thing yk 2 or 20 times

[warm dirge]

it basically goes above your bsr window

[west rune]

It's one of the most important thing to know ngl

[proper apex]

im not giving away all the known bullets

stuff like percentages you're gonna have to figure out

[red iron]

you cant give away all the known bullets

or else your mod would be yeeted deleted

as it is a cheat mod to get on the leaderboard

[proper apex]

intuition-based bullet marking was also gonna be a thing but i decided thats no fun

[warm dirge]

mine?

[proper apex]

wdym this is info both players have

and its also information the dealer has

[warm dirge]

to my knowledge @elder shuttle seemed to be fine with it

[west rune]

why not

[red iron]

its the number one rule of making a mod

it is a cheat mod))))))

[warm dirge]

what whose mod

[west rune]

It balances the game

[warm dirge]

im so confused here

[proper apex]

for reference stief this doesnt give away the order of what bullets are where

[red iron]

oh okay))))

just letting ya know))))))

cya later))))))

[west rune]

so everyone has a fairly fair shot at knowing

[warm dirge]

whose mod are you talkibga out

mine or what

[proper apex]

it just keeps you up to date with whats been fired

[proper apex]

i imagine mine

but enough people have said it would help and wouldnt be a cheat mod

and unless mike's implemented short term memory and the dealer "forgetting" shells, this is information the dealer knows about

[west rune]

Tbh that mod is probably the most op while staying completely fair

[tough sinew]

@warm dirge is your mod working with steam buckshot?

i want to understand how to use brml and inject my mod for this

[warm dirge]

its not a mod its an overlay

[tough sinew]

i see

thanks

[west rune]

balances the game between people who don't know yet, have a poor memory or just forget randomly like 99% of people and the experienced veterans

[spring fog]

Wow that’s a lot of messages what did I miss

[woeful sequoia]

losing my shit over TCPServer rn,,,

why is it so hard to connect backshot roulette to the game wtf,,,

[warm dirge]

?

What do you think

[red iron]

i sent you this msla

[woeful sequoia]

why the text misaligned,,,

[sullen rose]

I mean, the idea is not bad at all. But paper exists

[warm dirge]

It's already out lol

This is the new GUI I've been working on

[warm dirge]

not good at UI design

[woeful sequoia]

i mean

what are you using to make the gui

[warm dirge]

How is this

[woeful sequoia]

far better

[warm dirge]

All thats left to fix is keybinds

I can't get the damn keybinds working....

literally everything else done but that

[woeful sequoia]

try using the keyboard module?

thats never let me down

oh wait a second

i jhust

im looking at the repo and i see you already are

my bad

[warm dirge]

SimpleBuckshotRouletteCounter 2 coming today

In like half an hour or earlier

[woeful sequoia]

you will definitely spend 3 hours fixing bugs

i would know because i did the same with my last project

[warm dirge]

i was actually going to take parts of my counter and use tahtt o make an improved more user friendly bot for bsr based off of yours

bullettables be killing me

autofill be killing me

[woeful sequoia]

i would actually recommend making your own from the ground up

[warm dirge]

yeah i was going to

but looking at yours for reference

[woeful sequoia]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-hh51ncgDI

i use a minimax search with alpha-beta pruning this video helped me a lot

[warm dirge]

@woeful sequoia Jokes on you

I tested it now

It fully works

Even the autofill

the most annoying part of the code

[woeful sequoia]

theres a bit of a difference between my last python project and simplebuckshotroulettecounter

[spring fog]

Gotcha, I’m not providing support for the betas anymore sry

[warm dirge]

Mine has autofill polarizer burner phone

autofill is the main highlight

killed me inside

[woeful sequoia]

i havent really touched backshot roulette since the steam version released

i just need to implement the buckshot bot interface and im fine with working on it again

[warm dirge]

https://github.com/xplanthris/SimpleBuckshotRouletteCounter/

version 2 has dropped

[woeful sequoia]

you should freeze it and make it an exe

[warm dirge]

Featuring:

• Polarizer support
• New GUI
• Autofill written from the ground up
• Cleaner code

[warm dirge]

The workflow isn't running idk why

It should have

But it was not me who wrote it

@dawn pebble did

OH S###

I realized why

It didnt run

[red iron]

so next release is a full release?

[woeful sequoia]

you've forced their hand

no more betas

[red iron]

muahjahhahah

[spring fog]

Or prerelease, AGO will handle it

[warm dirge]

👍 the most based counter available yet guys

[warm dirge]

I was going to make mine an overlay just like this counter since well overlay.

[woeful sequoia]

?

what does that have to do with the message you replied to

[warm dirge]

Was advertising my counter

Yeah I'm gonna get to work on the bot now

And this time write it in C# so it's compiled

[woeful sequoia]

when i get the buckshot bot interface working i will run a multiplayer game between our bots

we will see who is better

winner gets $00,000

[warm dirge]

Deal

c# grinding time

[woeful sequoia]

i'll tell you how to implement the bbi when i get it working

[warm dirge]

i can stake 1000$

[woeful sequoia]

i cannot

[warm dirge]

I was going to implement my counter's features

BulletTable, Burner phone + polarizer support

It's gonna be 🔥

[woeful sequoia]

im halfway through implementing those

[warm dirge]

and dont forget autofill

[woeful sequoia]

i gotta take a break from godot im LOSING IT

[warm dirge]

100% accuracy predict last 2-4 bullets

[warm dirge]

it killed me impl the alg

[warm dirge]

wait your bot is made in gdscript?

[woeful sequoia]

no python

im making a mod to replace the dealer's ai with a bot though

any bot that supports the buckshot bot interface

[warm dirge]

how are you making the interface

can you publish it on github so i can help

[woeful sequoia]

so im wrapping my head around both gdscript (because i write in c#) and the TCPServer and WebSocketPeer thingamabobs

[woeful sequoia]

its in github it's just private

[warm dirge]

can you add me or make it public?

[woeful sequoia]

i have a text document with specifications

not completely finished i was gonna finish it after i get the server running on the game

plus when i get the server running it's basically just some match statements and then it's done so i can make it public

[warm dirge]

so its a web server

that you send requests to?

[woeful sequoia]

yeah it's on localhost and it's how the bot and the game communicate with eachother

[warm dirge]

yeah i figured

[woeful sequoia]

to be specific the Buckshot Bot Interface is how they communicate and not the mod itsrlf

[warm dirge]

let me know when your done so i can port bot to interface

ill work on it from now

[woeful sequoia]

yeah yeah ill be sure to tell you when i have it done

[sullen rose]

So is it counts without player?

[warm dirge]

oh yeah im excited

[proper apex]

welp

its in

using something like the magnifying glass turns the first question mark into "L" or "B" based on what it shows

so now that this is done, i need to turn the project / the changes ive made to it into a actual mod

that ppl can install

[warm dirge]

This is slick

[proper apex]

ikr

staying faithful to mike by making it all diegetic

[dawn pebble]

Create a tag and do git push --tags

[warm dirge]

ahhhhhhhhhh ok

[shell yoke]

how to create my mod and how can im add them to game? anyone have the mod with amogus where u have no chance to win

[placid ginkgo]

i saw someone with the option for multi, how do you do this?

[jolly flicker]

how do i change model in 1.20

[elder shuttle]

https://github.com/j-trueman/BuckshotRouletteMultiplayer/releases/tag/Release

can someone explain how i can use this

im lost

This version is old

game version now 1.2.0

[spring fog]

If you click on the link, you can read how to download it!

[dawn pebble]

Read the rest of the README

[spring fog]

Readmes are very useful, please read all of them 🙂

[dawn pebble]

Use option 2

[spring fog]

Oh you’re right, my bad. It’ll probably be updated soon

[blissful violet]

guys how can ı play buckshot multiplayer? or can ı?

[spring fog]

It works for v1.1! I think the mod dev is wanting to make it work for 1.2. In the meantime, go support Mike on itch.io!

[blissful violet]

Thanks!

[marsh pendant]

Best mod for what purpose? Upscaling fullscreen graphics? Multiplayer? Challenge Modes?

[spring fog]

NativeResolution! Download the override.cfg file from my GitHub (pinned comment) (I think, not tested yet)

Actually, just make an override.cfg file in your game directory with this:

window/stretch/mode = "canvas_items"```

[dawn pebble]

Here, I built it for you https://github.com/TheLazyHatGuy/SimpleBuckshotRouletteCounter/releases/tag/v2.0.1

[marsh pendant]

Keep going, 10/10 aesthetic and functionality match to the Klubnikaverse

@warm dirge @woeful sequoia
Do you three want me to setup a separate thread for counters/shell tracker tool mods for clearer conversation and organization?

[proper apex]

hell yeah thatd be neat

the mod is basically done now

i need to add inverter support for the known shells but thats about it

[marsh pendant]

What's your OS, Windows Defender is usually enough. Plus iirc the source code is open on Github projects, so if someone is uploading malware, a report should get that shut down pretty quickly.

I feel you, but honestly Googling/looking through the readme.txt files is the way to go here.
I haven't installed a mod before for BR (and am on Linux), but I'm slowly getting to grips with the basics of it through research.

[spring fog]

It’s just a text document that you rename to override.cfg

[marsh pendant]

Shell Counter / Player Assistance Mods

[dense seal]

New item idea:

Spin-barrel/Spin-trigger:

Fire X ammount of rounds at once.

[X is based on your decision for the sake of balancing]

[marsh pendant]

...are revolver barrel shotguns even possible irl?

[dense seal]

Another one (stolen from an already existing mod):

Hide some rounds so you(possibly dealer as well) can't see if they are live or blank.

[dense seal]

You can saw off the barrel and double the damage, it will grow back after that.

[dense seal]

But more seriously, maybe something that rapid-presses the trigger (and reloads if needed)?

[marsh pendant]

Iirc Challenge Mode mod does that (on v1.1 itch.io). Link is in the pins

[dense seal]

Yeah, tbh I stole the idea from there, but this time instead as an item, so you can stop the dealer knowing the last round or using the magnifying glass

Idk, may check out the mod myself tbh

[maiden cairn]

Can anyone make or is there a mod that can replace the music in Buckshot Roulette?

[spring fog]

FullCustomizer does this too!

[molten furnace]

is there a bug I need to fix?

[proper apex]

wouldnt flow, i dont think

that's more or less just the handcuffs

[dense seal]

The idea is that you can't do stuff in-between such as check, invert or saw.

So it's less predictable. But as a tradeoff you get to fire more rounds than what regular handcuffs allow.

But I get your point, it is quite similar.

Or switch directions, that wouldn't be possible either.

[hushed glen]

Please help me

[proper apex]

also, something for people who are also modding:

I've noticed a lot of game events that are linked to game logic (i.e racking the shotgun) are handled and called by methods called after animations, and called directly on the animated objects rather than recalled back to a static game manager to do

so if you're looking for "where is the code that handles ejecting the shells". it is multiple methods in ShellEjectManager, for each circumstance of the shotgun being racked.

As I've found, there are two Shell Eject Managers, one for the player (s) and the other for the dealer (shell parent_ejecting enemy side)

these methods aren't referenced anywhere, and are called through code

[dense seal]

#1225812824450797689, I think graphics driver issues gives a error at least, so can't help ya.

Ask the staff in that channel, they probably have seen it before.

[molten furnace]

I'd try to make a cool mod if I had an idea

[proper apex]

im making mine purely because its annoying to have the notepad out and itd look cool asf

[molten furnace]

whatcha making?

[dense seal]

Add alcohol poisoning and lung cancer.

[molten furnace]

BAC counter that increases every beer

[dense seal]

Yeah XD

[molten furnace]

just gotta think of a consequence

[dense seal]

Maybe you have a harder time seeing if it's a blank or live because the colour looks more the same then?

[proper apex]

shell tracker mod

equalises the game by helping you remember the same information that the dealer has

[dense seal]

Another idea is just straight up passing out and risk taking damage / lose a turn.

[molten furnace]

oh nice, my friend could use that

[proper apex]

says what bullets are in the gun (without the order), as well as the order of shells you know so far from stuff like the magnifying glass, burner phone etc

if you know whats in the chamber and use the inverter, that updates it too

[proper apex]

same here lol i played a bunch of rounds with it last night

[molten furnace]

cause I remember at a lan party I had the game on the projector

and I held up fingers for lives and blanks so my friend could remember and make decisions

[proper apex]

yeah

also this game would fuck at a lan party

[molten furnace]

yeah one of my teachers arranges lan parties at school during our breaks

last time me and my friends had a classroom to ourselves

buckshot roulette is really cool on the projector

[proper apex]

so sick

[molten furnace]

if only I filmed something to show

[proper apex]

something funny i just found

the dealer will NOT ever invert a round from live to blank

there is no code associated with him flipping it to blank

which is funny as i do that sometimes if i know the next shell and don't what him to have the chance of using it

[tough sinew]

good lookin melt!

[proper apex]

thank you!

functionality is finally done so im gonna add some random-phrases and sugar to show on it because that would be real nice

[proper apex]

code for round ending on dealer death

"play winning shit"

funny

[spring fog]

No, but using override makes it work without BRML

[molten furnace]

I have a version that uses the --script flag

it was fixed to be the same as BRML

[spring fog]

Oh cool, I’ll take a look

[molten furnace]

the batch file should install it for you and open buckshot roulette

[maiden cairn]

Can anyone make or is there a mod that can replace the music in Buckshot Roulette?

[elder shuttle]

anyone know how to play online on steam version

Game Version 1.2.0

[woeful sequoia]

are you talking about the multiplayer mod?

[elder shuttle]

yeah

but it doesnt work

can someone update it

[molten furnace]

isn't the creator the only one capable of doing it

[woeful sequoia]

i mean someone could decompile a version of the game with the multiplayer mod on it

then update it like that

i mean multiplayer is coming to the steam version normally soon anyway so i dont know if the creator wants to update the mod

but im not them

[proper apex]

i think the last detail im adding for the shell tracker addon

may or may not be prone to showing mysterious messages between rounds

[elder shuttle]

cant wait to play online with Friends

the game is so funny

[molten furnace]

wouldn't permission be needed

[marsh pendant]

The Multiplayer mod was created before the Steam release for itch.io game version 1.1
Steam is getting an official multiplayer mode late 2024.
Not a lot of mods are out for v1.2 because the platform is new for BR and Steam integration is tricky

[elder shuttle]

Got it

[woeful sequoia]

got the buckshot bot interface working on my bot almost

just need to implement setting up positions and then its done

[warm dirge]

lmk when its done

[rustic oar]

is there any mod to play online?

[tough sinew]

currently no

only itch.io ver

1.1

[molten furnace]

NativeResolution updated for opengl color patch in v1.2.1

[spring fog]

FullCustomizer 2.0.0 will feature the ability to change the new handsaw and pills mechanics!

[daring rock]

🗣️I only want know if i can change music to old one

[spring fog]

What do you mean by “old one”?

[daring rock]

Like i hear that they change one musit

This lobby

Before getting to dealer

[spring fog]

Where did you hear this?

[daring rock]

Where there a man

And there a party

U know

[lone yacht]

Most literate buckshot roulette fan

[daring rock]

Y E S

I have -30iq

[spring fog]

We can change the music to anything you want, so if it’s different in 1.2.1 I can see about changing it back

[daring rock]

Yeah

[edgy flame]

I am currently working on updating the multiplayer mod to 1.2.X not sure how long it will take me but should hopefully be released before official multiplayer

[marsh pendant]

Glgl, going for the Any% BR Multiplayer patch speedrun

[edgy flame]

Yeah lol, we'll see

[tough sinew]

opengl has official support

thx for @unborn narwhal and everyone for doing this

you are the best

[unborn narwhal]

No prob, you did all the work

[tough sinew]

you gave me motivation

💖

bless you man

[marsh pendant]

If I read this correctly, you made a patch for the opengl issue and got it into the official patch update?

[tough sinew]

yep

there's pipeline changes in source code

[novel fractal]

question, how do I use Full Customizer?

[magic root]

Modding? Wait so this game is modable?

[marsh pendant]

Have a look at pins, those are for the itch.io version
Steam's modloader is a WIP but MSLa started decompiling the game as soon as it released

[elder shuttle]

did you guys release a Multiplayer mod to BR on Steam

[marsh pendant]

If you had even in a small hand in optimization, tysm 🙏
It runs noticeably faster on my potato laptop

[mental portal]

not yet I don't think. It says "coming soon" in the game's patch notes.

[tough juniper]

lol finally the expired medicine is fair

i was gonna try and do it myself honestly

[runic crypt]

now I can consider the expired medicine as a last resource healing instead of something I considered as useless

[spring fog]

Does anyone know what's going on with the file "defib charge png.png" and why it's not working when recompiling?

[marsh pendant]

Could the 1.2.1 patch have broken things? There was a recent Steam update less than 8 hrs ago

[spring fog]

Nope, this has been a problem since 1.1.

[spring fog]

Figured it out! It was being directly referenced in a sub resource, while every other texture was using an external resource. It wasn't getting updated when imported

[elder shuttle]

Yall got a mod that skip the dealers turn every time? ;-;

[teal egret]

[unborn narwhal]

i gotta make that

I'll have to call it something like "r/fuckyouinparticular dealer"

[dark stone]

while(1)
{
  if(game.turn = dealer)
    skip();
}

🤓

[spring fog]

Does anyone want to try out BRML 2.0.0?

[warm dirge]

Yes please I would like to

[spring fog]

I’ll DM u

[woeful sequoia]

im down

[warm dirge]

Long story short guys, BRML works on Linux

[tough sinew]

why not

[marsh pendant]

v2.0 or the original?

[spring fog]

2.0

[warm dirge]

v2

Original probably works with the same method but I don't own the original, I pirated the original lol, I got the steam one legit though (I wouldn't have been able to afford that anyways but someone gifted me it).

[spring fog]

Heyo! Any update on this? 😀

[teal egret]

No update just yet

[lavish jasper]

chimpken in yourgort

[spring fog]

no

[lavish jasper]

chinmpkem

[marsh pendant]

<@&1214751635801251840>
Off-topic spam here, check the username's history (only messages in this channel)

[lavish jasper]

i want mod where it adds chimpken in yourgort to the game wdym

[spring fog]

We can teach you how to make that! First, download the BRML and a test mod. Then try editing the test mod to be of chimpken instead of soap. Let us know once you’ve completed that!

[lavish jasper]

alr time to try

[teal egret]

Hey! Thanks for letting us know This user wasn't spamming in other channels 👍

[lavish jasper]

where do i get a chimpken

[spring fog]

Not sure! You can find a Blender model and look up how to import it into Godot

[lavish jasper]

ok

[south forum]

ooooooo👁️👁️

[lavish jasper]

im not very good at modding so ill leave it for someone else to try out

[winged spear]

yes

[spring fog]

Hopefully it’ll be released soon!

[slate edge]

will this be downloadable at some point? .ω.

[proper apex]

no it's mine sorry

(soon)

[slate edge]

so is being released at some point

gotcha

[marsh pendant]

If you want a tracker mod in the mean time there are
https://cocosbeans.me/brtracker
https://ljovynn.github.io/buckshot/main.html

[slate edge]

Thank you

gonna get so many malwares .ω.

[hardy otter]

is there any shell tracker soft?

[molten furnace]

my oh my, imagine memory editing

[marsh pendant]

Not even kidding, if either of those give you malware let us know here. That's one of the few things decent mod communitites don't support

[hardy otter]

without injecting into game

[slate edge]

yee I know

[molten furnace]

memory reading isn't really injecting

[proper apex]

yeah

very soon, I just need to fix some issues with the display

and also fix a VERY bad bug with inverters

where inverting the round changes the display's "x live, x blank" display

so if i invert it and it now says theres more blanks than lives, i know this rounds a blank

which is a lil oopie

[hardy otter]

burner phone shell should be displayed

like Second position-blank

[hardy otter]

and also if there's a odd number like 1 live 2 blanks

and counter shows 1:1 without polarizer possability on last two blanks

[olive oxide]

mod idea: party shell. shoots confetti. whoever gets shot with it gains a charge.

[main swallow]

Anyone have a fix to these stupid green little squares that flash all over my screen?

[proper apex]

should i include a probability display to the shell counter mod?

itd be neat but i like to leave as much thinking to the player as possible so I don't ruin the fun

[hardy otter]

yeah

[proper apex]

i think that will mod the fun out of the game and also isnt really necessary

its not hard to figure it out

[hardy otter]

% doesnt ruining fun

[fast lava]

I too, would like a chance to try it out. modded BR looks interesting, and I want to take a stab at it.

[proper apex]

the fun is in figuring it out

buckshot roulette is imo a thinking game

and id argue that stuff like figuring out a percentage and gauging risk, keeping track of the shells using your fingers and head etc is all part of the fun

im removing the latter with this mod purely bc my adhd makes me forget things often but i do want to keep the fun of the game intact as much as possible

[marsh pendant]

That's likely a game bug, pinged you in #│𝐇𝐞𝐥𝐩

[dire lintel]

I suppose it's not really a mod but it is a tool you would use with the game, just something I made in Gamemaker for my own purposes, decided to polish it up a little and share it.. Should work in any browser but there is a Windows version in the description.

I hope you like it :D

https://gx.games/games/oko9sp/buckshot-roulette-helper

[marsh pendant]

Timely, adding it to tracker list in
https://discord.com/channels/1158444754325999747/1226978269329621115

[woeful sequoia]

there's actually a thread for those types of- well they beat me to it

[dire lintel]

Much appreciated :D

Haha I didn't even realize others beat me to it

Ah well, It was some nice Gamemaker practice haha

[woeful sequoia]

even if others made a thing similar to yours, why does it matter?

don't let other peoples projects dissuade you from persuing making a cool thing

[dire lintel]

So very true, thank you :D

[slate edge]

is it just gonna displaying a letter or do you have plans for it to have icons?

[proper apex]

just a letter

simple and easy

gets the idea across

[slate edge]

yeh fair

[dense seal]

Since you already know a bit you can attempt to make it a bit more complicated when you got the energy.

For example guess what the dealer would do if it became their turn.

Or show you good item combos if you have selected to have two of an item or something.

I haven't seen anything else do that ;)

[dire lintel]

I'll look into it tomorra, I also need to fix it on mobile cos it infact doesn't work as intended haha but I should sleep for now, thanks for the input tho!

[dense seal]

No problem, just happy to empower and/or inspire a fellow developer, running out of ideas suck.

[warm dirge]

Who pinged

[restive mountain]

hi, is it possible to mod steam version or nah?

nvm readed message history and i see we must wait

[warm dirge]

Yes

[restive mountain]

wait what, really?

ive tried mod loader from pins

but its for v1.1

and steam got ig 2 updates

[warm dirge]

Well it's not out yet it's in testing

[restive mountain]

oh ok

thats still cool

can wait

[woeful sequoia]

good item combos are an inherent feature of my bot wtf,,,,,

[spring fog]

Gaah not another update

I need to update BRML again before release

But thank you CR team 💙💙

[marsh pendant]

Hopefully it didn't change too much since the version went 1.2.1 instead of 1.3
But here's hoping they can integrate more community fixes/QoL mods, like maybe the ability to type in player name with keyboard. Amazing the openGL patch got in, I swear that was at least half the problems in #│𝐇𝐞𝐥𝐩

[spring fog]

Well now it's 1.2.2 😅

[snow fractal]

official modkit with workshop integration
that'd be nice

[spring fog]

BRML 2.0.0 FULL RELEASE 🥳🥳
https://github.com/AGO061/BuckshotRouletteModLoader

[teal egret]

Hiiii @silk root

[silk root]

Hi

[silk root]

Isn't this the chat for buckshot roulette mods?
Because mine is just a bot

[teal egret]

I think this is the best channel to discuss it

[silk root]

Ok

I thought about using the fanmade picture for my bot too

Imagine my bot on this server...
Nvm. Probably never happens.

[elder shuttle]

:0

Ravennn

[silk root]

But the data on a match is fixed to the user. Can also fix it on channel/thread, but may cause problems with other users pushing buttons

[silk root]

Yes?

[elder shuttle]

hiya

[silk root]

I will also add, that saw dont drop in first load on 2 charges

[teal egret]

I can share my fav fanart with you

What will the bot do?

[silk root]

My main bot has moderation features, inventory, shop, etc, but I could export the buckshot roulette part.

[teal egret]

[silk root]

Easier to use subcommand and supcommand groups

12 commands. 24 if we count supcommands separately

[silk root]

I could even add gif support for every scene, but would need all possible combinations of events

@teal egret
Do you know how points get counted?

Or if the server could take a bot dev

[teal egret]

siiiiick

[teal egret]

give me a moment

[silk root]

@teal egret . Do you know it yet.

[spring fog]

Please let me know if you have any feedback or issues with the BRML update!

[tough sinew]

i guess im fockd up guys

[polar depot]

Working good for me so far!

[spring fog]

Yay!

[fast lava]

Question: So I use the mods on the Mod Loader page?

(I have no clue what I’m doing)

[spring fog]

You can! Most of them aren’t going to be compatible for the BRML yet. That’s gonna happen in the near future. But you can try!

[silk root]

First preview of my buckshot roulette bot on my server.
Bot needs artwork though.

[icy goblet]

I specify an another path, but it still tries to follow the default path at the end of the installation....

[spring fog]

That’s not right, I’ll check it. In the meantime, if you copy the EXE to that folder it should work

[icy goblet]

In that case, yes! It helped. Please check it

ty

[fast lava]

do you know how to fix this error? It's the only issue I'm running into

nvm, I just had to change the install path to the same one as the base game

[spring fog]

How did you fix this? You mean you also had to move your EXE to the normal Steam install path? 😐

[spring fog]

Fixed!! The right file is uploaded.

[full cypress]

is it possible to make the dealer stupid so that i can make a funny gif of him

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/240196923644968960/1197496309083541555/attachment.gif

like this but different

[fiery cedar]

I have a longer version of that gif holdon

[full cypress]

i wanna make this but with a different dealer model ty to

[fiery cedar]

Ohh yeah that makes sense

[whole basin]

yo how do i make mods

[karmic thistle]

im having this exact same issue

[fast lava]

No, more that I just made the install folder the exact same folder the base game was in (it’s default install location.)

[spring fog]

That's weird, it works fine to install to documents on my machine

[fast lava]

The path I gave it was “C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Buckshot Roulette\Buckshot Roulette_windows”

and it just made a new (modded) install of the game in its own sub-folder.

Also I just lost a Double or Nothing run of 300k, which I'm really miffed about. Gonna go again tho.

o7 indeed

Gotta get that [currently] really rare achievement, y'know?

[gentle panther]

when i mod the game, do i drag it into the mods folder?

[weary blade]

I need a multiplayer mod for the steam version

[timber zephyr]

multiplayer is coming later.

[weary blade]

there is a mod for it but it doesn't work with the mod loader on the steam version

[spring fog]

Yep! Put your mod zips in there

[gentle panther]

like the whole Zip file?

[spring fog]

See Ago’s testmod for an example

Yes

It should have a mods-unpacked folder as the first thing in it

[gentle panther]

alright, thank you very much!

[spring fog]

Multiplayer maybe coming sooner than you think…

[polar depot]

https://tenor.com/view/i-know-where-you-live-gif-26700241

[stable sandal]

i wish at least

[edgy flame]

Something is in the works...

[spring fog]

😏😏

[blissful ridge]

;;

[stable sandal]

check pins

[onyx quartz]

hey i noticed that all the songs are in the game's steam directory soundtrack folder, and it got me wondering
does the game work like how undertale handles it's music in the sense that i could replace one of those sound files with a different one, rename it to the original file and have it play in game? also is there a music replacement mod lol that's basically all im asking

[elder shuttle]

anyone know any good buckshot roulette mods?

[marsh pendant]

Pins, but only if you are on itch.io v1.1
Steam mods are in the works

[elder shuttle]

is itch faster?

[marsh pendant]

No, the code of Steam BR and itch.io BR copies is different due to the platforms.
Like GTA copies are different on a PC vs a PS5

[elder shuttle]

oh okay

do you know any mod that make the game more ineresting

like

and if so

where would i find the,

[marsh pendant]

Not that I know of for Steam, no. It released less than a week ago so that's not really surprising.
The first mods for the itch.io version didn't appear for a few weeks either.

[elder shuttle]

what where they?

[marsh pendant]

Off the top of my head, SmarterDealer and the OpenGL3 fix. Plus BRML v1.0 (Buckshot Roulette Mod Loader) of course. Links in the pinned messages for this channel.

[elder shuttle]

do any make the game harder

[marsh pendant]

Challenge Pack and SmarterDealer do (both pinned)

[elder shuttle]

do any make the game quality better?

[marsh pendant]

SmarterDealer makes the AI tougher, Challenge Pack adds hardcore and blind modes, among others

[elder shuttle]

like i think the games a bit laggy

not to say its bad

nut do anu fix that

[marsh pendant]

Oh like the FPS and the mouse being slow?

[elder shuttle]

yes

im new to pc gaming so sorry

[marsh pendant]

Yeah I feel you, it runs just so on my potato laptop. A low quality mode is going to have to come from an official patch, or someone digging in really deep to make an optimization mod.

[elder shuttle]

oh okay

so ive found some modes i want

how do i download them'

[marsh pendant]

The readme on the Github page should have some instructions

[elder shuttle]

where do i find that]

what link?

and can i have directions

[marsh pendant]

There should be a pin icon in the upper right corner of Discord on Desktop

[elder shuttle]

how do i download it

[marsh pendant]

If you go to the Github it should link to .zip files

[elder shuttle]

alright

im on github

https://github.com/StarPandaBeg/ChallengePack/commit/5560bc3d5f27c668c5894ec697780b44e6a2023d#diff-b46c9621853504e794b25bf7bd396453c5771b643931101fbaa05c7ae834c962

is this good?

@marsh pendant

i downloaded it

what now

[marsh pendant]

Oh wow, I think that's a raw commit.
Start from here and scroll down
https://github.com/StarPandaBeg/ChallengePack/blob/main/README.md

[elder shuttle]

okat

need help

cant find releases

[marsh pendant]

You want the first zip
https://github.com/StarPandaBeg/ChallengePack/releases/tag/1.3.0

[elder shuttle]

okay i downloaded that

nnow waht

@marsh pendant

keeps saying Catastrophic Failure

[marsh pendant]

Did you also get this?
https://github.com/AGO061/BuckshotRouletteModLoader/blob/main/README.md

[elder shuttle]

cant find the zip

@marsh pendant

@marsh pendant

i cant find a zip for it

[marsh pendant]

You need to get the .exe for the modloader in the link
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1225003951716306996/1229228526620905472/Screenshot_20240415-023449_Firefox.png?ex=662eeb46&is=661c7646&hm=14219c4b53ed7102371f4c77868ea9669327488dfff1ae2b7ed62fdd26070fee&

[elder shuttle]

how do i do that

how do i get iiit

[marsh pendant]

Click on the link from the Installation section here
The blue underlined text is a link to the BRML.exe

[elder shuttle]

so i see

it

but its just text

no download button

could u maybe send a video of u doing it

[marsh pendant]

Oh, you right click on the blue text and Download

[elder shuttle]

okay so

im at

[elder shuttle]

this part

[marsh pendant]

Scroll down for this

BRML_setup.exe is what you want

[elder shuttle]

okayokay

downloading it rn

now what??

its saying

Windows oritected your PC

nvm

its good

[marsh pendant]

So it should be in Documents and there should be a Buckshot Roulette shortcut

[elder shuttle]

alright

alright

done

that

how do i download mods now

@marsh pendant

[marsh pendant]

Do this first, then put the Challenge Pack zip in the mods folder

[elder shuttle]

have i already done that with the

.exe thing

[marsh pendant]

No, the .exe is the Loader that loads the Challenge pack

[elder shuttle]

how to i create a file

[marsh pendant]

Wait are you on Windows

[elder shuttle]

yes

[marsh pendant]

Er, from my memory of Windows 7 you right click within the window that contains the .exe and a menu pops up. New Folder is what you're looking for

[elder shuttle]

okay

im there

[marsh pendant]

Did you right click and rename the New Folder to mods

You can press the <- in the top window bar to go back if you are inside the empty new folder

[elder shuttle]

done

[marsh pendant]

Then drag the .zip from here into the mods folder
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1225003951716306996/1229227241993539645/Screenshot_20240415-022920_Firefox.png?ex=662eea14&is=661c7514&hm=ca6a5fdc2ff35578b91dc64b9ac0998fde013e3b791e94bc38bfe6e90a427c8f&

[elder shuttle]

okay

ill try

okay

created the folder

added it

@marsh pendant

now what

[marsh pendant]

Run the shortcut (arrow on the lower right of the icon) to Buckshot Roulette in the folder that has the BRML.exe

[elder shuttle]

no luck

i booted it up

[marsh pendant]

Do you have a PrtScn (Print Screen) button on your keyboard

[elder shuttle]

yes

why?

[marsh pendant]

If you press it while in the Download or mods folder it captures the window there. And otherwise it takes a picture of your current desktop screen, which can be helpful to spot problems

[elder shuttle]

i cant take one

i mean i did

but its not

[spring fog]

this is a long convo 😃

[elder shuttle]

letting me shar it

[marsh pendant]

I can't believe Windows remained this consistent from 7 to 10/11 tbh, I've been on Ubuntu for years now

Oh, I think I see what happened, the Challenge Pack may need to be updated by the creator of it

Steam release started on v1.2
The v numbers need to match

[elder shuttle]

HERRE

GOOD

I HAVE A SS

[marsh pendant]

But! You are now in a much easier position to install future mods since the folder is already setup, you have BRML 2.0, and you got around Github ok

[elder shuttle]

here

whats the problem

[marsh pendant]

Wait does the mods folder need to go inside Documents

[elder shuttle]

i dont think it is

its been 2 hours god please work

[marsh pendant]

Try clicking and holding the mods in the left bar and dragging it over Documents, then release the mouse. That should drop the entire mods folder inside it

[elder shuttle]

okay

i did thst

[marsh pendant]

But the Challenge Pack (and other mods) may not work until later because BRML updated, but not those mods. The maintainer of BRML is pretty quick so the others will catch up in time
https://github.com/AGO061/BuckshotRouletteModLoader/blob/main/mods/ModLoaderVersionSupport.md#challenge-pack-by-starpandabeg

You have v1.2.2 iirc

[elder shuttle]

i think so

[spring fog]

It is a subfolder in the same folder as the exe

[elder shuttle]

alright

ima to to sleep

after some buckshot

[spring fog]

Glad this conversation was helpful, but it seemed excessively long and not very useful for the rest of the channel. Can future conversations like this be directed to DMs in the future if they involve obvious information?

[spring fog]

Problem this time was that it didn’t look like bro even ran BRML_setup.exe. If he did, it would have put a shortcut on his desktop and made a new folder and mods folder automatically. It also would have launched the game if install was successful

[marsh pendant]

Tbh I had no idea it would be that many lines but will do next time.
I'll ask Dragoncito if a cleanup is possible by clearing lines between a set of message IDs (Dyno function).

[wise lily]

sounds like a waste of time

[full cypress]

How do I go about doing a model swap mod. I wanna replace the dealer's face and hands

Reply ping with the answer pls I'm sleepy

[silk root]

do you know it yet @teal egret ?
i need it to make a server and global bot rang list.

[hybrid flicker]

Anyone released a multilayer mod?

Ignore that I can't spell

[stable sandal]

i guess no, wait for official one

[hybrid flicker]

Aw mamnn

[spring fog]

… 😏 🫣

[hybrid flicker]

Englishhh

Plez

I don't speak emoji

[polar depot]

Mans teasing us

[spring fog]

Hmmm… i dunno… multiplayer, that sounds fun… someone should make that soon

[marsh pendant]

For itch.io v1.1 yes. Check pins
For the official Steam multiplayer, the rough date is in the https://discord.com/channels/1158444754325999747/1209489286542524496

[spring fog]

About to release BRML 2.0.1! This update includes a fix to the mod config menu in preparation for the MultiPlayer mod. I mean what? 😄

[minor sparrow]

Is there a mod that lets us kiss the dealer?

[tough sinew]

create one

[spring fog]

@marsh pendant for future reference 😆

[slate edge]

it's next major update

[hybrid flicker]

Oh yay

[polar depot]

Dude has be bricked up

I mean what?

[blissful ridge]

hello..

[earnest ermine]

oh.. multi mod for 1.2x?

[molten furnace]

could you get me started with the mod config it's about time I update nativeresolution to use it

[spring fog]

If you download TestMod 1.1.0, there’s a sample config in there! Otherwise, that’s a question for Ago

[molten furnace]

ah okay

[full cypress]

is there an easy way to make a mod just to replace the dealer's face

[blissful ridge]

why the hell would you want to do that

[full cypress]

theres a joke i want to make with friends

its an inside joke

[marsh pendant]

If the Dealer is a texture, possibly
https://github.com/GodotModding/godot-mod-loader/wiki/Overwriting-Game-Resources
Please note I've never worked with Godot, you will likely need some knowledge of GodotScript to pull this off

[full cypress]

dealer is a model

or mesh

[blissful ridge]

ah

[open venture]

Dealer is a model the way he slays (people)

[dire lintel]

Has anyone been able to successfully export a model?

I got the project open in godot (after using gdre_tools to export it) and I can see the textures and audio, and even look around the scene, but I can't quite figure out how to move the models into something like Blender

I wanted to make icons for the item-portion of my little helper app and thought the best way to do so would be to rip the models and then render them at a tinier resolution :D

So if anyone could guide me over that last hurdle i'd greatly appreciate it, otherwise I'll probably just hand-pixel em or take screenshots

(But I like to be a perfectionist lol)

[dire lintel]

I'm sure since I'm at the 'open the project in godot' stage I'm super close. But I've never actually used godot before so I don't know where to look, and I might be doing things horribly wrong haha I'm not sure

[midnight talon]

Is there a possible way to change the music within the nightclub area? Do I need to dig into the file and play around with the audio or what

Not that I hate the OST, but it'd be funny to hear like a vine boom per revive or something like that

[languid hamlet]

you can decompile and recompile the game - the audio is just stored as ogg files. may also be worth looking into the buckshot mod loader, should be pinned here

this is what i used to decompile https://github.com/bruvzg/gdsdecomp

also poking around there seems to be some unused audio in there. very neat

[midnight talon]

I'll check it out

[spring fog]

BRML 2.0.2 is out! Updated to 1.2.2 Hotfix 1

[marsh pendant]

Hey, am I right in reading that the original BRML v1 was AGO's creation, but you've kept it current to Steam + v1.2 hotfixes?

[spring fog]

Yep! He and I worked together on v2 and I've kept the project on my computer for subsequent updates

[mellow sonnet]

Hmm. I wonder if the shells ‘roll’ at all. I’m away from my computer so I can’t check the scripts, but I wonder how gravity treats them.

[lucid hawk]

@native mortar yakety sad club music

[native mortar]

YES

[shadow compass]

I got a question

Someone has made a mod for vr of this game?

[languid hamlet]

yes - see the pinned message

[rain rain]

wait actually wtf

[shadow compass]

Woah, nice!

[rain rain]

the question is

is it fully vr

or just wear a vr headset and it's stilll kbm controlled

[marsh pendant]

Here's a video of the VR mod in action?
https://youtu.be/CblZIoXzV44

[rain rain]

ty

ahh I see

[spring fog]

They’re not affected by gravity, they’re premade animations

[spring fog]

Yep! Hoping to get the new version working

[mellow sonnet]

Ah kk

[mellow sonnet]

Mods I'm working on:
Shotgun Shell skins
Party mod
Party Bear (or just a normal bear if no party mod is found)

Also for those modding, are you using godot 4.1 or does any 4.1.x version work?

[onyx monolith]

Shotgun Shell skins sound like a fun and easy mod

[full cypress]

shame its not like actually grabbing shit.

[spring fog]

4.1.1

[dense osprey]

ye but then you have to completely rework items

[mellow sonnet]

ty ty

[spring fog]

👀👀

[dense osprey]

ayo what is bro bout to drop on us

[full cypress]

Only item I would see possibly being troublesome is the magni

[dense osprey]

thing is someone has to put a lot of dedication into a non-commercial project

[full cypress]

way i see it would be holding the item allows you to do the associated action with it (chug the beer, smash the magnifying glass, pull out a cig, etc.) then it lets you do the associated action to the roulette, (saw it, partially pull back the slide to peek at the shell). vr mods that just make your eyes into a mouse are only mildly impressive to me but im hard to please.

[rain rain]

nah bro I completely agree

that'd be so much fun too

[dense osprey]

in no way am I not agreeing

its just a decent amount of work for free

[spring fog]

The immersion factor is the big thing, you gotta understand that having an implementation like that is hard for a mod

[rain rain]

your best bet at that point is probably just remaking the whole game on a vr enginr or whatever tf you guys do lol

[spring fog]

I don't think it'll be too difficult, but I do think face pointing VR is still impressive

[rain rain]

yeah

even if the vr turns out like lethal company's (took like 5 months), it'll be worth it

[full cypress]

Of course. I absolutely understand

[spring fog]

Time for BRML for itch.io… 😃

[red shadow]

does the multiplayer mod work on the itch version, sorry if this is a dumb question Im new here

[marsh pendant]

Not a dumb question, the pins would reflect which mods work on which platforms (if I could get an edit to stick post-pinning...)
In fact, the multiplayer mod only works on itch.io v1.1
https://github.com/j-trueman/BuckshotRouletteMultiplayer
Please note it is not compatible with BRML 1.0

[upbeat geode]

Is the multiplayer mod compatible with steam v1.2.2?

[woeful sequoia]

see the message sucrette posted above

[spring fog]

How about u just unpin and resend?

[novel osprey]

just decomp the patched exe

[ocean quail]

I don't think they have the perms to pin/unpin need a mod or rep to do that.

[ivory hazel]

resend and @ a mod for it?

[ivory hazel]

What's been done with the leaderboard? Does the modloader disable it or should mods that make the game easier do so?

[weak haven]

multiplayer release?

[spring fog]

Modloader disables GodotSteam

[ivory hazel]

nice

[spring fog]

👀👀

[ivory hazel]

I thought the phone would be the most complex to program into smarter dealer

but I now realize how horrible it'll be to do the inverter

nvm, it's actually pretty easy

[ivory hazel]

all the different combinations are making me use 42 bits for the hash, wow

[mellow sonnet]

What are you hashing lmao?

[ivory hazel]

board states

phones are horrible

maybe i'll just mod out phones

maybe I should just assume the player can't use phones

[mellow sonnet]

[spring fog]

Never give up

[ivory hazel]

no, like, they're hidden information

it's like doing rock paper scissors, you can't strategy it

[edgy flame]

Never surrender

[spring fog]

Yea good point

[mellow sonnet]

Phone used first then board state lookup?

Because that would give you a known value in your rack array and you can then use that as a sort of salt?

[ivory hazel]

4 bullets and player 1 uses phone turn one then shoots a blank
Possible states, b = blank, l = Live, capital letter means player knows what the bullet is:
bll
Bll
bLl
blL
lbl
Lbl
lBl
lbL
llb
Llb
lLb
llB
That's already 12 states from just one phone

[mellow sonnet]

Yeah it’s just like 4 choose 3 permutation(?)

[ivory hazel]

right, but that's the simplified version

let's say there's 8 bullets

and then player uses phone and shoots blank

even if I bruteforce every possible state

that wouldn't be representative

since a player knowing a shot is the live then shooting will look exactly the same as a player knowing a shot is a blank then shooting

[mellow sonnet]

Yeah so you burn the phones right away and then you can recursively call the rack with the known bullet being your ending bullet or leading bullets. So if it’s
3/3
xxBxxL

You can cut it into xxB and xxL.

[ivory hazel]

so for every state I get to I have to resplit every possible chance

But then I would have to do that for both the player and the dealer

so when I calculate what the dealer would do after the player, then I would have to A: pretend the dealer doesn't know what shell it got from the phone, since the player doesn't know it, and B: know what shell the dealer got from the phone, because otherwise it can't do an optimal move

so it's paradoxical

Unless I bruteforce backwards to calculate what the chance of the dealer knowing something would be based on previous moves, but that would assume the player plays like the dealer

And it's so close to not being this difficult, if either both players get to know what the phone says, or if there was way to know when a bullet was shot that the opponent knew what was, then it'd no longer have these issues

[spring fog]

It sounds like burner phone is the same as the player using a magnifying glass on that turn. Doesn’t really matter

[ivory hazel]

no, cuz magnifying glass you know when the bullet that was found out from the magnifying glass was shot

I might end up having to cheat and just store what the player gets but not let the dealer use it when calculating their own actions

there's just no other way around it other than making the phone a massive liability

wait, no, I can't do that either cuz the ratios would be messed up

[ivory hazel]

Maybe I can approximate it

by introducing luck

I don't think I can hash floats though

or, I mean, I can obv but like

[mellow sonnet]

Hash it and the twos compliment at the same time?

[ivory hazel]

the problem is that godot sucks

I would have to convert the hashes to strings I think

since there's no tuples

and there's no struct types that can be used as keys in godot

[mellow sonnet]

Oh right

Nvm what I was about to say- I was about to take a matrix algebra approach lmao

[ivory hazel]

so I would either have to write my own dictionary that handles hash collisions, or use whatever's built in for strings

I think I'm just gonna assume player 0 can't use phones unless there's only 2 bullets left

and that player 0 knows what player 1 knows the bullets are

[mellow sonnet]

I doubt godot would have matrix stuff but I could see a weighted lubys working really well for this problem.

[ivory hazel]

xD

[mellow sonnet]

Food is a valid answer too

[ivory hazel]

for the hashing or for solving phones