│high-scores

[safe path]

ohh one little thing, theres no expired medicine or adrenaline because it was far too complicated to function the way it works now, like the way the dealer checks for items when he steals them is grid based BUT the player checks it differently via the animations and its actually quite complicated because everything that happens in game is actually happening as in 3d objects in a 3d enviroment that interact with each other to set off signals and trigger scripts, the engine its written in Godot is weirdly mechanical in a way

i forgot why the medicine didnt work, but it was something similar

the guy who made it is really cool, he'll explain if you ask, but thats basically why

[hollow ermine]

Omg, that's a lot of work to make multiplayer as soon as possible, but reading about the expired medicine and adrenaline didn't work I personally prefer to wait to the official release

[safe path]

the dude who made the mod basically rewrote the game to get it to work lol

yeah i was playing V1.1 last night just for shits and giggles and i really missed the adrenaline but not so much the medicine, interestingly i did find it alot easier overall though

but the multiplayer mod is dope for playing against friends

its funny as hell and definetly add a level of pressure when its a live person, especially when your all talking sh!t in voice chat lol

[pseudo garnet]

should i make one of these for the beer leaderboard lol

(also this is probably the most legit leaderboard we have currently, even if it's for 1.1)

[thorny umbra]

The multiplayer mod? I’ve been looking for it and can’t find anything about a official development page/download

[idle root]

https://prnt.sc/6EeObcawgFl- Highest score I just got

I tried to get above 10 million but lost after getting that so I didnt offically cash out but yea

[pseudo garnet]

https://buckshotmultiplayer.net/

im down to play a match if you want (please i want to play multiplayer with someone other than myself no one plays it)

[thorny umbra]

I currently can’t play because I’m not at my computer lol… it’ll be a week before I’m back :/
But thanks for the link!
Now I can gamble my Minecraft currency I made xD

[pseudo garnet]

maaaaaan

im finna never find a match

[thorny umbra]

But I can recommend a steam game to you 😂
I’m sure you need more

[thorny umbra]

Stormworks

[hard gate]

BRO

I LOVE STORMWORKS

[safe path]

hit me up later tonight ill be home and likely looking for someone to play

[lime storm]

i can play multiplayer

if someone helps me how to install it

[warm lark]

what is the most popular ip for multiplayer

[unreal fog]

theres online for buckshot?

[untold saddle]

not yet

[unreal fog]

hm

[lilac swallow]

there's an unofficial mod you can play online with, official multiplayer is coming out later this year

[unreal fog]

ok

[dapper zealot]

whats the mod?

[safe path]

installation is super simple but sounds complicated, you just run one exe and drop a zipped folder into a mod folder and thats it, if anyone needs help DM me

BRML mod loader-
https://github.com/AGO061/BuckshotRouletteModLoader
multiplayer mod-
https://github.com/j-trueman/multiplayerclient

[mortal knoll]

Join up I'm ready to blow some people's heads off and get mine blown off too

[safe path]

oh nice, i gotta run to the store real quick, im procrastinating cause its like 95 outside but i have literally nothing to drink but milk beer and tap water lol

ill hit you up when im back if you wanna try multiplayer

https://tenor.com/view/its-dope-dope-reallygood-very-good-superb-gif-14101413

[mortal knoll]

I dunno about your time zone but it's about 11 pm here

[safe path]

ah lol, EST

its only 4pm

but i am going now, my thirst has motivated me lol

[rough cave]

beik

beer and milk

like pilk but not pepsi, its beer

[safe path]

i have many times drank like 18 beers then went home and destroyed a box of cereal with whole milk

my friends think its disgusting, but i think their philistines

[rough cave]

I mean rum chatta is rum with milk, what's basically the difference

Honestly a triple shot of rum Chatta with cinnamon toast crunch and rest of milk sounds pretty fucking fire

I gotta try that tommorow

[safe path]

imma just chase fireball with heavy cream

[rough cave]

Lmaoo

[olive drum]

Wait is multiplayer out yet?

[unborn bane]

😍 fuck

[lunar night]

Imagine risking your life for 10 smackeroonies

[warm lark]

Id do it for $5

[lunar night]

I’d rather just paypal you $1.69 and call it even

[untold saddle]

what wendy’s workers see after 9 grueling hours of work

[unborn bane]

Free beer and one cig too 😊 life is good

[misty night]

any advice please???

i cant win 3 times in a row

[amber mason]

Play with the odds and just remember what’s in the chamber

[misty night]

thx

Ill try again and again hah

[gentle vapor]

The biggest tip is to learn how the Dealer behaves

Since they're AI, they will do the exact same process every time given the same situation, so it's important to know what he's going to do and what items he will use so that you can take advantage

[chilly fiber]

real

he has a pattern

[gentle vapor]

1 - Dealer will scan the board for items in the order that he pulled them out of the box. Being that you cannot see what this order is, this is moreso can be used to know that he will prioritize using items from a previous box over ones he grabbed from more recent box, but obviously he will only use the items if they're applicable.

Magnifying Glass: The Dealer will use this item if he doesn't know the contents of the current round. Simple enough.

Beer: The Dealer will use this item if there are 2+ rounds in the gun, and as long as he doesn't know the current round is live. If it's unknown to him or if he knows it's blank, he will (stupidly) use Beer every time.

Handsaw: This is used when the Dealer is going to shoot the gun, either by knowing the current round is live or simply rolling the odds later on to fire the gun.

Cigarettes: This is pretty obvious. If the Dealer needs health, he will use this.

Handcuffs: The Dealer will use this if there are 2+ rounds left in the gun, no matter their contents. Sometimes this means he will waste his handcuffs on a completely blank gun.

Inverter: The Dealer only uses this item if he knows the current round is blank for the purpose of making it live and shooting you with it.

Burner Phone: The Dealer only uses this item if there are 3+ rounds in the gun and he doesn't know the full contents of the gun yet. This means that he won't use it in a 50/50 situation with 2 shots left... for some reason or another.

Expired Medicine: This is the only exception to the previous rule about box order. When the Dealer encounters medicine as a potential option, he will NOT use it until he has no cigarettes on his table or adrenaline in which to steal yours, and even then he will only use it if he has lost at least one charge AND still has at least 2 charges left. It's a pretty niche item for them to use.

Adrenaline: This extends to the Dealer looking at your table at the same way he does his. When choosing to use adrenaline, he will scan your table in the order that you pulled out from the box, meaning it becomes important to remember this order (or arrange them in a particular order on the table as a way to remember) and use them as shown above. I personally like to get him into situations where he wants to steal Expired Medicine or Beer, as those items aren't very beneficial to him on average and get rid of their adrenaline, arguably the strongest item in the game.

2 - Seeing if he knows the layout of the gun.

The Dealer will know the full gun IF he knows all of the live rounds or all of the blank rounds, either by being on the last shot of the gun, the rest of the rounds of the gun are all the same, or he saw the last round of a particular parity via a Magnifying Glass or Burner Phone. When this happens, he will act correctly on every single shot remaining.

3 - The Dealer shoots the gun.

If the Dealer knows the current round, he will always shoot himself for blank rounds or shoot you for live rounds. If he doesn't know, he will tally up the remaining lives and blanks and make a % of each. This will determine the odds he will either shoot himself or you. For instance, if there are 3 blanks and 2 live rounds, it's 60% chance he shoots himself and 40% chance he shoots you. Note that he will use a Handsaw if available if he rolls to shoot you.

---

Hopefully that covers everything

Happy gambling

[misty night]

yayyy my first milion

[ivory cargo]

hell yeah that's awesome

[robust raven]

Congrats!

[misty night]

I did it guys

[shell topaz]

Nice

[wild lion]

My Stat's:
Shot's Fired: 43
Shells Ejected: 88

Door's kicked: 88

Cigarette's Smoked: 8

I beaten 8 rounds

CHUGGED 1980 ML OF DIGITA

and my total money is

$161737

[tame mason]

nice! you should have gotten the 140K achievement then

[wild lion]

1 tiny problem:

I fucking suck a Double or Nothing
Considering the fact
I always oftenly die on round 1

[lyric quiver]

What's your main issue?

Genuinely curious

[wild lion]

The fact dealer is smarter and gets the better items

yes i have a skill issue

[lyric quiver]

Just track what shells have and have not been used

[valid patio]

Knowing everything about the dealer and remembering what's in the gun kinda reduces this game to what an rng of what you pull from the box. Which is fine. It's literally russian roulette after all lmao

Just a thought lol

[atomic cove]

lmao relatable

dealer can shoot himself 4 blanks in a row at the start

[haughty karma]

this is definitely a game which you can "solve" pretty easily. A lot of this game is vibes and the tension when you dont have control over the situation and it really is all down to luck

[short halo]

if its so easy why has no one solved it yet

[haughty karma]

well solved as in the best possible strategy in most situations isnt too hard to figure out. But regardless of how well you strategize rng is still a huge factor in this game. If you pull no information items for example it can still be a plain 50/50 whether a shot lands or not.

In this game you can just get unlucky and die, much like actual russian roulete

[echo widget]

i only got the half ;-;

nvm now i have 12/16

[misty night]

Thats good i mean if you try i bet u will get them all

the full house is the worst

[echo widget]

im trying this one ;-;

this mean i have to steal something i dont have to the dealer with adrenaline

;-;

[misty night]

yeah you can use adrenaline x2 to get 2 missing items if dealer have them

[echo widget]

bruh

[misty night]

and remember to balance between your health and Dealers because if you open like 3 or 4 boxes in first round there will spawn just 1 blank and 1 live round so its easier

Remember you cant kill him or your items will be earsed

[echo widget]

i think the 1000k and know when to quit is hard too

i just need to play ;-;

[misty night]

yeah thats hard too. but thats just luck and time in game

[atomic cove]

always 1 item off with full house for me....

[tame mason]

keep the grind, I believe in you

[misty night]

you'll do it one is not much ;))

[atomic cove]

yeah i keep getting one off

[coral halo]

Just got the achievement

[gentle vapor]

@wild lion

This should help you out some

[stoic otter]

are you on crack

[coral halo]

Yez.

[stoic otter]

👍

[wild lion]

damn ty guys =3

[ionic pagoda]

itd be pretty cool if the dealer had some way of knowing hes dead next round and if so uses the medicine even if hes at 1 health

[short halo]

small correction, dealer can know every shell left and still use the burner phone. The only restriction is that it has to be 3+ shells left

you also forgot to mention that adrenaline doesnt follow the spawn order rule

[gentle vapor]

I've never seen that be the case

Nor the other one you mentioned

Though I suppose that would be a really difficult situation to get into where the Dealer knows the layout of the gun and yet has not used their burner phone(s)

[short halo]

ok im waiting for you to provide an example where dealer uses adrenaline before he wants to use any other of his items

for the phone, its just doesnt say anywhere in the code that he cant use it if he knows every shell

[gentle vapor]

It's been some time since I've played the game admittedly

But I remember the Dealer generally treating the adrenaline like all other items and using it in box order

It's fine if I'm wrong on that

[mental tangle]

whats up with the leaderboard being a tad broken atm

has people been wraping the score counter around on its self

[lilac swallow]

lots and lots of cheating

the highest legit score i'm aware of is ljovynn's 1 billion

[warm lark]

Wow

That is something

[delicate halo]

Nice! Just got the achievement myself around 20 minutes ago

[wise yarrow]

I have gotten the last achievement I needed 2 days ago for 1000k and I can say while the game is some luck it just takes time and focus.

[delicate halo]

Working my way up the leaderboard to some serious cash! Had an incredibly efficient first round, starting with 52,624 and doubled 9 times. Onto the next high score! May have start recording these in the future.

[gentle vapor]

Hey, really nicely done!

That's same # of doubles as my record of 22mil, but you had the higher starting amount

[limber wave]

congratulations I have never seen much money in my life

[delicate halo]

Thank you everyone! 🙂 I'm a bit of a high score junkie, haha, so expect me to post more for further doublings. The maximum doublings I've been able to achieve is 12, although in that run, I started at $10 😭 at ended up at like 40k in the end. If I had 12 doublings from my starting amount above, I would have ended up with 215M. Not the record, but getting closer! Hoping to surpass that billion mark one day.

[short halo]

i had a 3 million run going yesterday then i just forgot to use my handcuffs so the dealer stole them and instantly killed me 💀

are you asking how long the billion run was

[delicate halo]

probably in a way they're asking if you're gonna keep gunning for higher and higher scores, or, if you surpass your record, how much more will you keep playing (until multiplayer comes out, that is)?

though I'm coming after your billion! 😉 🙃

[short halo]

i wanna get to at least 50 rounds beat cuz i dont think my record gonna stand very long

especialyl because my first 3 rounds were kinda slow

[delicate halo]

Nice! Yeah, if you start at, say, 40k and take the money home after 16 doubles (17 sets = 51 rounds total), you'll end up with about $2.6B

If one wants to surpass the US national debt 😆 at ~$35 trillion as of this writing, you'd have to double a 40k start 30 times (31 total sets = 93 rounds). Nearly 6 hour game at 11-12 minutes per set. 😅

[short halo]

like if someone good at the game spent more than 50 hours i think they would probably have beaten it by now

but i dont see many people grinding high scores, which is a little weird to me because thats the whole point of the mode, but a lot of people stop after getting the achievemnts.
Maybe the hacked high scores in the computer isnt very good encouragement

[haughty karma]

hacked high scores and times are unfortunately a problem in every game they occur in

[pseudo garnet]

Dear god how much did you drink

[limber wave]

It took me exactly 1 hour to get 1 million dollars

[limber mural]

99 percent of high rollers die because of mysterious circumstances before they set the new worldwide record

[short halo]

i got a hella good first gauntlet at that run tho, 56k $

[short halo]

I also happened to get into this situation too
Heres the dealer using the phone even when he knows the full layout, since theres only 3 lives left
(ignore what im sayin in the background, i thought there was still 1 blank left lol)
https://clips.twitch.tv/BelovedGrossTrianglePJSalt-jzce4_7G2VeshnTc

[gentle vapor]

Coolio

I will remember this

[delicate halo]

That's extremely impressive. My best is 54k on the first set.

[plain drift]

:D

[ashen tusk]

oh yeah

[delicate halo]

That's very impressive! Wow! That's 13 doubles on a 35,589 initial set. Nice!

[ashen tusk]

thans

my first attempt btw

[unkempt quest]

i wonder how people can get this many highscore

i cant even pass round 2-3

sometime i pass but i cant most of the time

[gentle vapor]

Man, why stop there?

Two more doubles and you would have gotten the billion

[ashen tusk]

What’s the world record?

[gentle vapor]

I'm not sure

But I believe from other information I've seen it is a billion

To be honest it almost feels suspicious to have that score on your first try

GGs if it is real though

[warm lark]

The power of beer and rng my friend

[unkempt quest]

i thought the beer is bad

[warm lark]

Not in double or nothing it is

you get money based on how fast you go

[gentle vapor]

Beer is stronger in Double Or Nothing

Inverters make blanks not worthless to you

And it's the only item besides the inverter that can get rid of a live round and still be your turn

Which can absolutely be important if giving the dealer the gun means you die

[lusty storm]

Where does the "X item is bad" take even come from when they all synergize with each other, aside from healing?

[gentle vapor]

Because Beer is bad in the normal mode

It's just a downgrade from the magnifying glass in almost every case, and it's especially worse than Handcuffs which you always have in the standard mode

It becomes significantly more relevant in Double Or Nothing

[delicate halo]

Pairing beer with the phone also provides a significant advantage.

[tame umbra]

LOL

risking my fucking life against the devil for 10 bucks and a firm handshake dude

[plain drift]

Complimentary beer, adrenaline rush, $10 AND the shotgun that almost killed me?! What's not to love

[tame umbra]

lmfao

dont forget the cigs

[plain drift]

😋

[tame umbra]

that makes all the buckshot to the head so fucking worth it

[plain drift]

Oh yeah

[delicate halo]

Just had a heartbreaking loss. Was going for my 10th double and had 19.7 million already in the bag, and on round 2 with one charge a piece, I hit a blank on a 3L1B sequence. 🥲 This is after I started the round (4-4) with handcuffs and hit 2 blanks in a row. SO unlucky!!!
Overall sequence: BBBLBLLL
What sucks too is that I had 2 inverters, so I could have so easily won!! That's probably what I should have done, because even if both had been live -> blank, it'd be tough for the dealer to hit both of the remaining lives (I started the round with 2 charges). Ugh! Lesson learned.

[delicate halo]

Seems like HunterWhiz on Twitch got to 134M at the conclusion of this run:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2201336543?t=08h33m14s

(though he thinks 34M is the world record, not knowing it's actually 1.1B)

[plush pivot]

i think i might be a top player if i keep it up

[plain drift]

Already beat you bud 😤😤

[short halo]

guys we should start uploading high scores to cyberscore

[plain drift]

What is cyberscore

[short halo]

leaderboard website for for basically any game

[plain drift]

O

[fair meadow]

pog

[cursive trout]

Y'all wish me luck

I am one round away

from my first ever million

I know it's not much but

[limber wave]

How many products do I need to use to earn $50,000?

[short halo]

you could probably figure it out from this #│high-scores message

[short halo]

man... i had a run at 20 million. but then in one single round I:

• Forgot to use handsaw
• didnt use cigarettes even though he had adrenaline and stole it
• Even then, I still would have won, but to top it all off I thought it was a 4 shell round but it was actually 5

in my defense its 1 am

[errant swallow]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3214902007

time matters

[limber wave]

thanks bro time matters

[errant swallow]

your welcome :)

[limber wave]

🙂

time matters

Steam Community :: Guide :: Determining ...

[remote crane]

Poor Dealer, no more cash to give, he gave me a 10 bucks steam card

[hoary oracle]

Hold on I'm gonna draw that, it sounds kinda funny 💀

[remote crane]

[hoary oracle]

I did it

[remote crane]

Hell yea

[junior coyote]

lol

[night stump]

How did you get the MINIMUM SCORE, ARE YOU OKAY?

[left spade]

The last score I got was somewhere along the lines of 1,0960,000 I don't know how, but I did it and I was too excited that the game closed and didn't save my score

[plain drift]

It's not hard

[plain drift]

:D

[mighty meteor]

I did it on accident :D

[delicate halo]

RIP my new attempt at a PB! Had 21.9 million after 30 rounds. Needed 1 more double for a PB, but the dealer just had too many good items for the 2-charge, 8-bullet transition round. The grind is real!

[gentle vapor]

All you have to do is take a long time

[night stump]

I know, It's just odd, why would you do that?

[gentle vapor]

Because people always have to joke in this channel about it

Every 3 days there's a new $10 score posted here

[dusky atlas]

THAT HAPPANED TO ME TOO JUST NOW BRUH...

[mortal knoll]

10 isn't the minimum 0 is for more info watch delightful kissboys video (he explains how you lose money each time you get revived in buckshot roulette pretty well also despite his username he is very smort)

[south locust]

there was a screenshot in the code that showed that the minimum was 10

[indigo spindle]

The minimum can be anything if you know how to access the score storage during gameplay

You could get a score of 0 if you wish to do so

[south locust]

Well then the minimum without changing any data manually is 10

[gentle vapor]

That's not the minimum in Double Or Nothing

That's only possible in the normal mode

It is technically possible to also get 0 score in Double Or Nothing as well if you double so many times that you erase the last digit of your score in binary with an extra 0 (as that's what the game does to double your score), but not only will that never happen in a legitimate game, but also this is discussing the initial score

[hollow ermine]

can some one help me play the game

[scenic parcel]

wdym?

[hollow ermine]

like i screen share asnd you give second opinions about what i do to win in double or nothing

[mortal knoll]

K

[lilac crow]

bro couldnt even afford a 19 fortnite battle pass

[remote crane]

Say sike rn

[rigid plover]

not a high score, but more of a low score (idfk how i did that)

[midnight apex]

The weekly $10 post

[hoary oracle]

Dealer is broke

[hollow ermine]

That's how the people make $10 in double or nothing

Interesting

I thought it was for the damage

[solid escarp]

Is this a record for beer drank?

[hollow ermine]

bruh 😭😭

[pseudo tartan]

Alcoholic in chat

[shell topaz]

What is the record for ml of beer drank?

[solid escarp]

I wonder, if you drank a ton of beer without stopping would you die from alcohol or water poisoning first? (Yes that is real and very doable don’t try it you can severely mess up your brain)

[toxic ferry]

Welp too late

[fallen trail]

this chat be like: (please mods pin this it would be so fucking fun)

[cobalt geyser]

Finally..

I can join the million club

🥹

[shell topaz]

I still haven't gotten over 100,000

[dusty gale]

I won 10 dollars (is that a lot)

[abstract aspen]

first game

[cobalt geyser]

Almost 4 Liters

[copper jackal]

thanks for this bro

[delicate halo]

Made it to 25 rounds in a row (score ~5.9M), and the game hits me with a BBBBLLL sequence. 🫠 Ended up losing.

[timid siren]

My friend got a perfect game, hit every shot and didn’t get shot once.

[tribal cloak]

oof

well done though

[remote river]

that happend to me once too

[clear bramble]

i won 18 rounds but did not get the 1 million achievement, i am deeply sad cuz now i need to beat 18 rounds again

in theory i got the lowest possible "1 million", i started with 10 dolars

[tribal cloak]

nooooo

[delicate halo]

Oof, I feel your pain. Actually, the most rounds I've personally achieved is 39, which would have yielded me ~163M if I started with 40,000. Instead, I started with $10 and ENDED with 40k. It was me a while back just trying to see how far I could go before I died. Little did I realize how hard it would be to win that many rounds in a row again. My 26M PB is with 30 rounds in a row.

[clear bramble]

wow 30 rounds? that's really impressive!

my pb is 18 tho

huge congrats to you

[tribal cloak]

dayum, les goo 🎉🎉

[tacit goblet]

For PB, do you count how far you get even if you die, or only if you cash out?

[short halo]

i think most people would only count cash outs

[delicate halo]

Cashing out solidifies the PB.

[gentle vapor]

You have to cash out to solidify a PB

If you want to personally consider a death a PB, that's on you, but it's called Double or Nothing for a reason - you get nothing if you lose

[short halo]

KEEP GAMBLING

[atomic heart]

finally got all achievements 😭

[tribal cloak]

les gooo

[cobalt geyser]

Hell yeah! How many hours did it took you?

[bright thicket]

I made it! All I got to do is lose a million and then I'll have all achievements.

[tribal cloak]

good job

🎉

[errant hedge]

ik this ain't the most exciting thing in the world no more, but I am happy to say after one doomer of a day I wasted my time going up against the machine, and won

[amber horizon]

NOW THATS GAMING, good job!! 🎉

[errant hedge]

thank you

[topaz pelican]

hlep I can't find my old crossy road high scores

[tribal forge]

I managed to get it... but also not unlock Overdose... I wonder if that means I should stop playing DoN

[open hare]

so how many rounds was it?

i've heard its a minimum of 18 rounds, but i'd doubt it

[tribal forge]

I followed that rule about 'speedrunning' the first round to ensure the least amount of rounds needed to get a mill...

[open hare]

oh yeah

i forgor the round prize is based off of time spent

[tribal forge]

I just double checked, the min is 18 rounds and the first 3 need to be beaten within about 9 minutes to ensure you only need 18 rounds to get a mill

[vast glade]

Bro the best achievement someone can make now is finding out the password to the ARG XD

[rare juniper]

@vast glade wait,has nobody found out the password for the arg after all this time? After like 4 months of the arg being a thing? Thats crazy

[delicate halo]

😭 Another big game (11 million) down the drain. Just needed 2 more doubles to hit a new PB. BBBLLL sequence did me in...

[gloomy hedge]

not exactly a "high score", but this might be my fastest first gauntlet run
I didn't think of recording it, but according to the math, it was only 4:48

that's a comfortable 14th place worldwide

sadly I don't think I can submit it

the math btw:

[short halo]

would a high score be considered legit if danger skip was used?

[gloomy hedge]

I think it only affects speedrun, not high score

Actually it might make a slight difference if it’s used in the first gauntlet

(Idk what the skip is so eh)

[short halo]

it makes you always get exactly 70k after the first gauntlet

also lets you retry the 3rd round of the run as many times as you want

im not 100% sure but i think it also lets you skip the first 0 to 2 rounds depending on when you died / reset in the previous attempt

[gloomy hedge]

Ooh yeah no that’s not gonna be allowed

Not for ranked

[short halo]

wdym ranked

[gloomy hedge]

Like if you’re actually trying to get a legit highest score compared to other people, it’s not gonna count

Personal best is fine lol

[short halo]

why not

i wish there was a central community for high scores; actual leaderboards, defining rules for proof submissions and for banned glitches, etc

[gloomy hedge]

Because score is determined by how many gauntlets you win in a row, but for a similar amount of rounds won, what acts as a tie breaker is the original score of that first gauntlet, meaning you’re rewarded for your speed
So if we’re going by leaderboard rules, having an exploit remove the tie-breaker based on skill is illegal

Also the average run starts at about 35k
So having you consistently start at 70k means you need one less gauntlet to have the same score
And that’s just not fair

Does that make sense ?

[short halo]

welp I got an explanation for this at least

[short halo]

it is fair, everyone can do the skip

bruh it feels weird to call it a skip in a high score context

[midnight apex]

I dont know how to do the skip
Even if I did I dont think it'd be allowed

[short halo]

reset when the game shows the shell count of the loadout

[gloomy hedge]

it's not fair to take a shortcut in a race, because you're not measured on how little time you can go from one point to the next no matter the context
you're measures on your skill as a runner, standardized and measured on a set path
if you want a race where you have to find the optimal path, that's a parkour race

if you want to have a competition where the standard is pure cunning and number of rounds won, then, sure, the skip is a good way to remove any fluctuation

but if we're talking about specifically getting a high score in the base game, the skill measured is also the ability to go fast in that first gauntlet, being able to juggle odds and strategy under the pressure of a time limit, and maybe getting screwed over by RNG

and in this context, skiping over that is straight up cheating

also I don't know how anyone can see memory manipulation exploits and consider it a fair technique in the context of the base game lmao

I will use the skip for that damn high score achievement tho

but that's personal best, so I do what I want lol

[short halo]

If we're talking about specifically getting a high score that means using any tools at your disposal the game gives you to get a high score, nothing less or more

[short halo]

idk it doesnt seem too farfetched to me. Theres a lot of other exploits too. Should every run abusing one the various adrenaline or dealer AI bugs not count as well?

[gloomy hedge]

that's not a tool that was put at your disposal tho
that's a break in the system

[gloomy hedge]

exploiting how the dealer works is different, that's (mostly) intended features that you get to learn, it's not different from learning how to play any other opponent
memory manipulation of the game is a whole different level

not sure what you mean by adrenaline bug tho

[short halo]

using adrenaline lets you surpass the intended limit of how many instances of that item that can be in your possession at once

[gloomy hedge]

yeah no that's literally the point of the item

[short halo]

no i mean like
for example the normal limit for phone is 1.
if you steal a phone, you can now have 2 phones in posession at once until the end of the round. not at all counting the phone you stole

[fleet saddle]

They don't mean in terms of taking the item, when you use adrenaline it changes the code due to a bug, meaning the items from the box can give you more than you are normally allowed

[gloomy hedge]

huh

well

does it also apply to the dealer ?

[short halo]

yes

[gloomy hedge]

then it's fair

[short halo]

but its a bug

[gloomy hedge]

it's not an intended feature, but it becomes a rule of the game between you and the dealer, no matter what Mike wanted

skipping rounds is not fair to the dealer

[fleet saddle]

The game by its very function is unfair to the dealer. You always go first and due to that, have access to strategies the dealer doesn't (stacking 4 rounds of cuffs at the beginning as a simple example)

[gloomy hedge]

that a rule the dealer self imposes tho

[fleet saddle]

"The dealer" doesn't choose to do anything, he doesn't exist. He's a series of rules in the code

If manipulating the way the code works in one instance (using adrenaline to force more items than you are normally allowed), then why is doing it in another way (the round skip) not also fine

[gloomy hedge]

my point is:
if it's part of the contract, and / or both the player and dealer have access to it, then it's fair

[fleet saddle]

You can't pick and choose when a glitch is okay and which it isn't

[gloomy hedge]

the dealer can't mess with your game files yet

the adrenaline bug is also not something that can be avoided
it's a broken game feature
that's the nuance, it is a feature, it was implemented (badly)

reseting and having the data not actually wiped is not a feature

[short halo]

you can actually, some glitches are worse than others. But I agree that the "fairness" of the game against the dealer is irrelevent.
For the record im not fully against counting runs using danger skip as illegitimate.

[fleet saddle]

I guess what i more meant is that you can't pick and choose what you encounter when you do specific actions. Of course there are different categories for games in like, speedrun settings, where specific things are allowed or not for a given category. But this conversation seems to be about whether it's okay in a general sense, to do anything the game allows you to do (so something like any% all glitches). And in that case, you can't pick and choose the glitches, unless you begin outlining different categories that do or don't allow the round skip

[gloomy hedge]

you can absolutely choose to not manipulate data files within a brief window period
avoiding a main feature that happens to work badly is not feasible

it becomes baked into how that feature works

[gloomy hedge]

also no it's not about a general sense

[fleet saddle]

Maybe i'm misunderstanding the severity and actual way the skip works

[gloomy hedge]

if you want to you can just open your data files and intput 99999999999999999999999999999 in your score if that makes you happy
but for the purposes of having ranked competition based on high score, something that completely nullifies the timer on the first 3 rounds is a total game breaker

[short halo]

well thats tampering the files and not something you can do directly within the game, its massively different than a glitch

[gloomy hedge]

memory manipulation is file tempering with extra steps

[fleet saddle]

Is ace in old games file manipulation as well?

[gloomy hedge]

?

[fleet saddle]

Arbitrary code execution, things like warping to the credits in smb3 within a few minutes by carefully inputting movements and placing shells and hitting blocks

[gloomy hedge]

a

yes I would count it as file manipulation

[short halo]

it doesnt matter, the important part is that you dont need external tools and you can do it directly from the game

[fleet saddle]

You seem to have a fundamentally different idea of what "file manipulation" is compared to me. I don't think there's a way to go through this conversation in any way that'll make us agree on things

If you can do things entirely within the confines of the game but still be seen as cheating then idk what exactly can be agreed on

[gloomy hedge]

my idea is that if you manage to change the data in the files in a manner that you go out of the way of intended use of the game, then it's file manipulation

[fleet saddle]

The way that the game actually works, and the "intended use" are not the same though, as the adrenaline glitch proves. Deciding something is wrong based on what was "intended" doesn't work since the code already doesn't work 100% as intended

[gloomy hedge]

not just intended features when coded, actual intended use
the intended use of the adrenaline is to steal items, it happens to be broken, but you didn't use it in a way that was out of expectations, it just has unintended consequences

hitting the reset button in a very specific time frame a few seconds after starting the game is not intended use of the software

[fleet saddle]

But using the adrenaline as intended, still produces an effect on the gameplay, that was itself not intended, and also impacts every other item. You can use it to get, for example, a ton of glasses that you shouldn't have, and use that to win over and over, racking up money in a way that would be different from getting the glasses from the dealer, especially if the number you hold is more than both fields could have normally

[gloomy hedge]

and I think you will agree with me that inputing frame perfect long sequences of nonsensical inputs that happen to rewrite Super Mario world into a game of snake, is not intended use of the software either

[gloomy hedge]

which is why I'm making the distinction between intended use and intended effect

[fleet saddle]

But getting more items from the start of round box is not an effect that is intended from any item at all that you can get

[gloomy hedge]

you're right

that's an effect

I do not care about effect

effect is irrelevant to my measurement of fairness in exploits

I am focused on use

[fleet saddle]

Just the way you use items

Okay

[gloomy hedge]

use of features, not just items

[fleet saddle]

Can i give a hypothetical case of using items, completely as intended, in a way that works exactly as the code means them to, that would still otherwise be unfair, as a counterargument

[tacit goblet]

Mike should just patch the bugs

[gloomy hedge]

like a good way to measure it is:
how consistently is the exploit when using the feature ?
in the case of the adrenaline, every time you use the adrenaline to steal an item that has a limit, it breaks
so to avoid the exploit you would need to not use the adrenaline on like half of the rest of the items

on the opposite, how consistent is the exploit of the reset feature ?
well it only happens within a time window of like 2 seconds, and then supposedly never again

[fleet saddle]

I have an example that would be completely within the confines you've given for use of items and features that is 100% consistent every time you would do it

[gloomy hedge]

I'm listening

[fleet saddle]

When you do certain things, there is a money penalty. Cancer bills penalty for smoking, dui penalty for drinking beer, and new legs penalty for dying and re-entering the room

[gloomy hedge]

keep in mind the consistency test is also one way to measure the intended use, not the only one

[gloomy hedge]

ah, dying infinitely until you hit the integer limit ?

[fleet saddle]

Exactly

[gloomy hedge]

but then dying infinitely is not intended use of the game either lol

[fleet saddle]

You are allowed to retry as long as you want

[gloomy hedge]

you are
you're not expected to go out of your way to die

[fleet saddle]

It is intended that you can keep coming back during the first two rounds

You wouldn't inherently need to try, just be that bad

[gloomy hedge]

but I guess if you have the dedication for 5 billion years, you're free to go ahead lmao

[fleet saddle]

Or keep using a lot of beers and smokes

But then wouldn't that be unfair to the people who didn't die that much? That person did everything the way the game intended, but instead of being punished for dying for 5 billion years, they suddenly have the most money anyone can possibly have!

They used every item and function as normal, by your standards

[short halo]

ok guys hear me out: The skip shouldn't be counted for legitimate runs because it doesn't add anything interesting to the gameplay, is an easily avoided exploit, and makes tied high scores much more likely to happen which is just annoying

[gloomy hedge]

that is a case of theory vs practice

[fleet saddle]

This is functional

[gloomy hedge]

fair enough

[fleet saddle]

This conversation has been dancing around the idea of just putting different categories in place

[gloomy hedge]

I have tried to hint at it lmao

[fleet saddle]

When?

[gloomy hedge]

if you want to have a competition where the standard is pure cunning and number of rounds won, then, sure, the skip is a good way to remove any fluctuation

[fleet saddle]

I also brought it up here

[gloomy hedge]

also a little here
I less hinted at the concept and more refocused the context of a specific type of category

[gloomy hedge]

to answer you here, in the theoretical world where people can actually play 5 billions years, and both not learn and have incredibly bad luck in all that time
then yeah, it would make it a completely fair use of the software, and make that specific use case an unintended effect of an intended use, which makes the run """legit""" within some unreasonable constraints

I pity the mod that has to review the footage tho

[fleet saddle]

It was a bad faith argument bringing up the underflow stuff, i'm sorry, i was getting a bit frustrated with the conversation just going in circles with nothing really changing on any side. I do understand that there's a difference between different uses of things in a game, that's the whole point of different categories for things. I was misunderstanding the conversation as being about an anything goes sort of view, which was why i brought up ace, since in an any% something like that would be fine. I wasn't picking up on the conversation being about possibly figuring out the distinction between categories

[gloomy hedge]

oh yeah, any% gets crazy lmao

again it all depends on what skill you're trying to measure

[fleet saddle]

Waiting out the heat death of the universe to submit my underflow% speedrun of buckshot roulette

[gloomy hedge]

it might actually be faster than wining enough times

at the very least it's the most consistent method

[fleet saddle]

I guess in a way, frame perfect inputs are a form of skill, though clearly not the type that this game actually is testing for

[gloomy hedge]

exactly

(although this is far removed from frame perfect)

[fleet saddle]

Mhm, maybe frame specific would be more accurate in this case. Frame sensitive?

[gloomy hedge]

timing sensitive

well

it is the whole point though isn't it

depending on the interpretation of timing

[fleet saddle]

The whole point of what?

[gloomy hedge]

of not skipping the first 3 rounds

exact words are hard sometimes

[fleet saddle]

Oh i meant that the game of buckshot roulette isn't testing for timing skills, it's more about probability and risk assessment

The skip is about timing but buckshot itself is not

[gloomy hedge]

yeah, and I'm like "timing is a bad choice of word since it does test for speed"

[fleet saddle]

Mhm, that's why i kept using frame even though it isn't a frame specific input, since frame has a connotation for this sort of thing

It isn't exactly correct but it makes sense in conversation

[gloomy hedge]

I suppose, I just don't like the implied shortness of it

[short halo]

blud there are no established categories 😭

[fleet saddle]

Yeah I know, but it seemed like they were trying to talk about making them or what the differences would be if there were ones

[fleet saddle]

I mean, if you really wanted, you could come up with a name for the skip so that there could be specificity while still having a quick thing in conversation, like an abbreviation of it. Like, as an example, calling it "rapid input turn skip" or something would mean you could use the acronym "rits" in conversation, to keep things moving, while still having a full version that explains what it actually is

Like blj

[gloomy hedge]

mayhaps

perchance

[hollow pagoda]

instead of the highest you got what was the lowest you got

i just got 10$

[midnight apex]

10$ is the lowest

The bi-weekly 10$ post :p

[pseudo tartan]

imagine someone getting to 1 million from $10

[clear bramble]

i "did" it, i got the lowest "1 million" possible, won 18 rounds starting with $10

[clear bramble]

here

[delicate halo]

@pseudo tartan @clear bramble From $10, you'd have to win 18 gauntlets rather than individual rounds. Meaning, you'd have to win 54 individual rounds in a row starting at $10. You'd end up with 1,310,720.

[midnight apex]

Damn

If you won 54 gauntlets in a regular game you'd be over 1 billion moneys

[delicate halo]

Yup. If you started at 40k, you'd end up with 5,242,880,000.

[pseudo tartan]

I forgot about that one. I salute you for doing all that

[wind delta]

was gunning for 100k yesterday and got it. was gunning for 200k today and skipped to 300k 🙂 tomorrow will be aiming for 600k 🔥

[sudden wharf]

k, really helping me out. i could not figure out how to get full house

[wide ridge]

My pb

[gloomy hedge]

ey, 52261 on first gauntlet

so 4:26

considering my scores lately I should maybe actually start recording for DoN any%

because I'm theoretically top 10 lol

I just have no proof of it except for screenshots

quick proof:

[gloomy hedge]

god damn I keep beating my PB
and this one is on camera

[gloomy hedge]

note to self the difference between the in-game timer and the speedrun timer is about 35-40 seconds

[short halo]

i think the rules in speedrun.com dont time it the same way as the timer for how much money you make

[gloomy hedge]

Yup that’s why the discrepancy is about 35-40 seconds

[short halo]

sry lol i cant read. i thought you were replying to someone else and asking why that was the case

[gloomy hedge]

It’s mostly that you also need to count opening the suitcase, while the game stops the moment the Dealer dies

[delicate halo]

Is 60k possible? Like, if you get the best possible luck: 2 charges every round, hand saw every round, and first bullet = live. I think it's 2:30 total time.

[floral pasture]

just use wemod

[delicate halo]

I'm talking vanilla BR. No mods or cheats.

[floral pasture]

then you need dedication

a lot of dedication

[delicate halo]

The highest score so far is 58k on the speedrun website. Just another 2k seems doable but yeah, it'd take a hell of a lot of attempts to get the luck needed.

[short halo]

i made TAS with perfect luck and instant clicks when actionable, the result was 61 833$ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbkaeI0OkUk

[delicate halo]

Nice! And huh, interesting. So it's faster shooting once and the dealer shooting themselves versus killing in one shot with the saw?

[short halo]

it is impossible to get saw on the first loadout of a round when the max charge is 2

[delicate halo]

Really? Huh. I guess I never noticed before, and perhaps the times that was happening was during a transition round when I already had a saw in my inventory.

So if one gets a saw out of the box before the first sequence in a new round, that should automatically tell the player that the charge count will be either 3 or 4. Interesting.

[gloomy hedge]

WR is currently 58011
we need to shave 30 seconds

[gloomy hedge]

damn you really though of everything, even having a 4 shell loadout

[short halo]

it would be kinda hard to hit the dealer twice with only 1 live

[gloomy hedge]

yeah but I mean, theoretically a 2-2 is the same as a 4-4
but time-wise the 2-2 is shorter because of the shell loading time

that gives us a 27.5s leeway to get the 60k

that doesn't seem very feasable

[delicate halo]

New World Record incoming?
https://www.tiktok.com/@bbchillen/video/7411148855787425054

[gloomy hedge]

Damn, I’ll have to watch that one

[grim linden]

am i cooked

[gloomy hedge]

What because you played 7 hours ?

I have like 10 times that lol

Maybe a little more

[zealous parrot]

Hey guys, I know this is an old topic, but about the Full House achievement, I used the 9 different items in the same turn of Double Or Nothing and it still didn't work. Is it something that happens or is there something I don't understand?

[midnight apex]

You should get the achivement if you used all 9 items without the turn ever going to Dealer

[zealous parrot]

I know, Igna, I guess it didnt work.

[midnight apex]

I think you have to do it before ever using the gun (shooting the gun but skipping Dealer's turn cuz its blank counts I think)

[zealous parrot]

Damn.

so if u skip his turn with the handcuff it wont work?

[midnight apex]

You have to not use the gun before using all 9 items

In a single turn = using the gun at all counts as a turn change

[zealous parrot]

And I saw I just shot myself (blank), so it shouldn't count as changing the turn.

[midnight apex]

Technically it does

[zealous parrot]

I get it...

Doesn't agree, but get it... lol

rules not mine...

lol

So i blew that attempt for nothing. Next time I will be more careful.

Thanks, Igna.

Have a nice sunday.

[gloomy hedge]

yeah technically a turn = a gun shot
the description of the shotgun specifically says that if you shoot yourself with a blank, you skip your opponent's turn
so you end your turn, the Dealer's turn is skipped, and you start another turn

[short halo]

new WR https://youtu.be/Yb1lnnUgp-g?si=MATCuSrF966mitRE

but im cringing watching it through rn, i see obvious mistakes like every other loadout 😭
like the very first thing he does is shoot himself for no good reason

[midnight apex]

Huh-
Im surprised how he even managed to get 2.5bil with that, insane luck or not

Thats just asking for damage

[hardy frost]

I have like less than 5 hours 💀

at least my high score is in the top 10%

[thick tartan]

my highest score

[gloomy hedge]

god damn it

[delicate halo]

NEW PB!!!

[little shard]

How...?

[pseudo tartan]

Money is deducted from how much time is spent in the first three rounds. I want to say half an hour will bring it down to $10 and the lowest it'll go

[delicate halo]

a little over 17 minutes actually

[gloomy hedge]

17:29.850 to be exact

the ultimate flex is timing it to 17:29.835 and getting 11$

[unkempt quest]

lowest highscore i could get

[gilded moon]

not sure if this counts or not but i decided to play the game for fun u know see how far id get, i somehow made it to 10mil, i blew it on the last shot to finish the round bc i got unlucky with 3 lives in a row but u know i thought it was cool that i made it this far

[pastel tiger]

Guys almost the password I saw on the paper that I sign at the beginning or half of the game I don't know but what I know is that the password was not written but there was a number of numbers or letters of the password

[midnight apex]

The waiver you sign is just a piece of irl paper thats edited
Theres nothing in the game to hint us further, we have everything already, we just cant figure it out with what we have

[delicate halo]

New first gauntlet PB! 55K reached!

[clear bramble]

how fast was that? did you time it?

[clear bramble]

i got 53k for first gauntlet, i have no clue how fast that was but prob mere seconds away from 55k

[clear bramble]

@tribal cloak robbie!!! guess what, one day later from getting the "know when to quit" achievement, i got the 1 mi!! im so happy i was finally able to do it :3

[tribal cloak]

Let's go dude Congratulations!

Do you have any achievements left?

[pastel tiger]

soooooo what now are we gona get high scores or search inside the game??

[midnight apex]

Theres nothing inside the game to look for the password

Get the arg role in #│roles and go to #│brainstorming btw

[gloomy hedge]

3:41.745 by game timer standard
Speedrun.com rules would bump it up to about 4:10

[gloomy hedge]

4:11.655
or about 4:40

It depends on how fast you end the DoN and open the case

[pastel tiger]

thx man im new to discord

[clear bramble]

no! i did all achievements!! my next goal is to get 1mi on modded BR where the dealer and i keep alternating on who gets to be the first

[gloomy hedge]

oooh

good luck, you'll need it

[gilded moon]

finally got one where i cashed it out instead of dying (this is the first time ive actually cashed out of double or nothing)

[tacit plover]

highest I've gotten on normal mode (i just started playing like 3 days ago)

[gloomy hedge]

for 3 days, that's actually impressive

[midnight apex]

Normal mode its kinda easy to get the max 70k

[gloomy hedge]

Definitely, but not for someone still figuring out the strategies and what docks points

[midnight apex]

True

[flat wedge]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3286798574

these sanctions are becoming ridiculous

[lusty storm]

You can get a good meal at a fast food restaurant with that money. Or pay off a small portion of your drunk driving fine.

[flat wedge]

I don't have a driver's license

[flat wedge]

If only this game could offer something to eat(

[hollow ermine]

Where can I risk my life for 10 bucks?

[fathom lotus]

buy reflex arena and play duel

[mortal knoll]

I'm on my 2nd win streak rn on double or nothing it's the final round I'ma make it a 3rd winstreak

Just won thrice in a row for the first time ever in double or nothing (he has 2 hp I have a saw and the next round is live) ggs

He just killed me in the 4th round but it is what it is

[hollow ermine]

i didnt get shot a single time after so many Attemps🔥

Take that Dealer

i hate you

[mortal knoll]

C'mon man he's chill

[pseudo garnet]

he's also a cheater lol (you can hear his defibrillator activate when he gets shot in round 3, even after his cord got cut)

it's easiest to hear if he shoots himself because then you dont have the audio of you pumping the shotgun drowning out the sound

[hollow ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/clash-royale-emotes-angry-mad-furious-gif-14309343

my life was a lie

[pseudo garnet]

yeah he's far from immortal, he just had a backup defib

[hollow ermine]

that explains how he gets back

[hollow ermine]

i thought its just bc like. its a game yk

[pseudo garnet]

actually wait lemme find the clip i found in buckshot multiplayer mod, it shows just how consistent the time you're dead is

[hollow ermine]

also. is deltarune good?

i am asking bc of your pfp

[mortal knoll]

Yeah he's immortal how else would we play forever?

[pseudo garnet]

y e s

deltarune is very good, chapter 3 and 4 is around the corner too

[mortal knoll]

We love buckshot roulette and so does the dealer

[hollow ermine]

and i just live bc of the medic or what

[mortal knoll]

Side note I just got the propulsion Cannon arm for the prawn suit (I was playing Subnautica)

[mortal knoll]

?

[hollow ermine]

am i the only one or does anyone else put slurs in their names

[mortal knoll]

Uhhh

I just use my real name

[hollow ermine]

fuckyou

jomama

[mortal knoll]

Nahhh

[pseudo garnet]

defibrillators for dying in the round, the smoker for dying in round 1 or 2, and divine intervention / blatant cheating in round 3

[lusty storm]

I'm still wondering if being able to come back from "Heaven" is in any way canon.

[mortal knoll]

Anyhow have we still guessed the arg password?

[lusty storm]

No.

[mortal knoll]

Yeah it is because you do so

Wdym by that actually

[hollow ermine]

it took so long for me to complete undertale

[lusty storm]

I mean, there are games with multiple endings, where the sequel implies that only one ending was canon. So what I'm wondering about is whether Mike sees this option the player can take as something that could happen in universe at all, or if it's just a shortcut to avoid wasting the time of the person playing the game.

[mortal knoll]

It's shorter

[hollow ermine]

boss fight peak

[mortal knoll]

Oh

[mortal knoll]

In that case I'm pretty sure yeah it is since the player is such a gambler that they don't accept death

[pseudo garnet]

best way i can describe deltarune is this:

If undertale was an anime, then deltarune is a cartoon

[hollow ermine]

good

[pseudo garnet]

it's much sillier

also it's gonna be way longer than undertale

[hollow ermine]

undertales story 🧑‍🍳

[hollow ermine]

oki

i dont think undertale is THAT long

its just the boss fights i think

the levels are easy

but i am not really good with arrow keys

and oh god

the spider woman

i hated her

the 3 lines

[pseudo garnet]

put it like this currently deltarune is only 2 chapters long and is just as long as undertale, and has 2 secret bosses (some even say 3)

[hollow ermine]

noice

[pseudo garnet]

and the secret bosses are on the same level as sans, maybe a bit less hard

[mortal knoll]

Those that say 3 are liars

[hollow ermine]

oh

sans is just buff papyrus

[midnight apex]

I would say Deltarune has 2-3 secret bosses currently
2.5 if you wanan be specific

[mortal knoll]

You with chaosman or the moneyguy?

[pseudo garnet]

||some people count snowgrave NEO as a different fight||

[mortal knoll]

(he's the same guy)

nvm I'm stoopid

[midnight apex]

It is a different fight tho

[pseudo garnet]

the circumstance is different

[mortal knoll]

That's why I said I'm stoopid

Because we're talking fights not chars

[mortal knoll]

Anyhow as I said chaosman or moneyguy?

Personally I'm with THE FREE ONE

[hollow ermine]

also guys. will mr. beast kill me if i dont like his chocolate

[mortal knoll]

Nah

But don't steal his credit card

[midnight apex]

Ive heard people say its incredibly mid

[mortal knoll]

Well taste is subjective

Can't even buy it tho lel

[pseudo garnet]

||dude i play a fighting game called untitled combat demo rework and we've been waiting for spamton NEO for 2 years, and it's finally almost out, i main spamton so im hyped beyond belief||

[mortal knoll]

Yeah but which character boss wise in deltarune do you like more?

Personality wise I'm def with the clown around town

He's relatable

Chaos is kinda my thing ngl

Also he's funni

[pseudo garnet]

i like the other one i find the bullet patterns more interesting

[hollow ermine]

how did only 87.6% of players beat the game...

(buckshot Roulette)

Iron lung really got hit hard by Ocean Gate Titan memes

[lilac swallow]

i still got it

[lusty storm]

Now that's gaming.

[somber tinsel]

nice.

[sacred pulsar]

It’s this leaderboard calculate one match double or nothing you earn?

[delicate halo]

so umm...I think I glitched the game, lol.

I was playing Double or Nothing (in Round 2), and I decided to restart mid-game (approximately when the shell sequence was being allocated). The next Double or Nothing matchup started in ROUND 2! I was flabbergasted, but wanted to continue nonetheless. I got to Round 3 and died again. Back in the restroom, the Round 3 music was still playing. I started up another new Double or Nothing on ROUND 3! I beat the dealer pretty quickly and ended up getting 70K on Double or Nothing!!! LMFAO. Like...what???

So basically what happened was, there was a glitch that occurred where the game thought I entered story mode but was really in Double Or Nothing mode. Has anyone ever encountered this? Unfortunately, my dumb ass pressed the wrong button when attempting to screen shot the final screen, but I'll try to repeat.

[midnight apex]

You just accidentally did a speedrun skip

[delicate halo]

Oh yeah, and when I started up those new subsequent matches, the dealer said "...", which is the dialogue the dealer gives you after you die and try again for story mode.

[delicate halo]

Ah! I'm guessing perhaps enough have seen this issue? lol

[midnight apex]

Ye

[delicate halo]

crazy that I just happened to encounter this on a whim, lol.

[midnight apex]

Its a thing speedrunners to go get a free 70k
You reset when the shells are being shown and do.. something from there

[delicate halo]

ah, i see i see

I presume the devs are aware of that glitch?

[atomic pine]

My crowning achievement to be sure

[gloomy hedge]

The window is pretty large, but basically if you restart when the camera pans towards the new shells, it triggers it

[gloomy hedge]

Hold my Digita

[clear bramble]

new pb again!! 17 mi

doubling it!!

[hot zenith]

:0

[clear bramble]

died :c but im super glad i got a new pb

[lilac swallow]

i don't understand. but to answer the question i think you're asking, the leaderboard is based on your best double or nothing score

[hot zenith]

Which doesn't count a run you'd die on, I assume.

[sacred pulsar]

Ok thanks

[delicate halo]

Nice! But yeah, ya gotta commit to ending the run for it to truly "count" as a PB.

[gloomy hedge]

I mean, PB is really subjective by definition

I would say there’s two PB counters
What you can achieve, and what you managed to secure

[gloomy hedge]

ffs I keep missing my goal

[clear bramble]

i say it is my death pb

my cash out pb is 1 mi

my death pb is 17 mi

[atomic pine]

Never stop gambling grindset

[visual mist]

can't even pay off the gasoline to drive back🤣

[gloomy hedge]

istg sinking 1h20 in a meme run attempt and failing at the last possible second might be the worst feeling

[atomic pine]

It's enough to buy a sign to wave around to maybe hitch a ride faster

[sturdy bobcat]

[slim robin]

hola dox

me meti al servidor por tu reenvio

@sturdy bobcat

[gilded zodiac]

how do you even get that far, I cant even make it to 250k since I always just get to a point where it is impossible to kill him regardless of what I do

[lusty storm]

You get there by trying over and over again, because Buckshot Roulette is a game of chance.

Some rounds are straight up impossible to beat.

[gloomy hedge]

buckshot is 70% skill, 25% luck, and 15% maths

[hot zenith]

I fondly recall the Steam discussions proudly saying the game's 100% skill and luck's a non-factor.

[midnight apex]

[gloomy hedge]

hah.

buckshot is a game about making the most of what you're given

it doesn't mean every load out is fair

luck is a non-factor short term
but it definitely is the killer of most long running games

[midnight apex]

One of the killing runs I had, I had 1 hp and he either had 3 or 4 in a 2L/2B loadout
The only items I had were 3 inverters
If I wanted to survive until the next loadout I had to completely guess which ones were blanks and lives and invert them into blanks

I guessed right until the 3rd shell I inverted a blank into a live

It was a LBBL loadout

[pseudo garnet]

THIS TOOK 20 HOURS AND NOW I HAVE TO DO IT AGAIN 🗣️ 📣 🔥

actually screw that i wanna try out arctic eggs

i think it has an endless mode?

[delicate halo]

I could have sworn the last round of this game of mine went 8 sequences. Won like 4 do-or-die 50/50's just to survive. 61 shells in 6 rounds.

[ornate canyon]

dam'

[pseudo tartan]

Good name lol

[visual reef]

I let my stream chat pick it or if nobody comes up with anything I just use randomly generated names

[sacred pulsar]

Zimbabwe money in Cash box

[sacred pulsar]

India money in cash box

[ornate canyon]

anyone elces burnings always givng wrong info

[hot zenith]

I've never gotten wrong info from the burner phone. Using it always counts from the current shell you're on, not necessarily the first shell of the whole load.

[keen pagoda]

oh so thats what it does

ive always been confused whether it counts from the first shell or current

[delicate halo]

Nice 50k start!

[glacial marlin]

yep

[delicate halo]

I kinda wish there were "expert level" Steam achievements, such as a 50k opening gauntlet achievement or winning more than 10 million.

[slim crown]

Achievement "you don't have to go home but..."

Drink 8 million ml of beer

[delicate halo]

50M dollar club!!! Nice to get a PB just before the multiplayer launch. Onto 100M next!

[clear bramble]

woahhhh thats hugeeee

[gleaming valley]

I gotta ask what the method is

Like I understand that even if you make 100% perfect moves there's still an element of chance

Is it just keep going and hope for the best

[visual reef]

scoffs my highest is over 300Mill but i couldnt get a screenshot of the end screen because i forgot the steam keybind XDso this will have to do

[delicate halo]

It's a combination of things for me.

1. Don't waste items. Only use what you need.
2. For me, adrenaline is the best item, because it opens up the board to potentially 8 extra items that you can employ in your strategy. The dealer can't steal your adrenaline(s) either.
3. The "transition" round to a new gauntlet is typically the hardest, due to the dealer retaining his items. It's extra important in Round III to preserve what you can, ESPECIALLY adrenaline.
4. If you can, avoid using all of your items up early in the sequence. The dealer will almost always shoot himself if there are more blanks than lives. Force him to to shoot himself and take some 50/50's at times. This also can apply if the dealer has cigarettes. If the dealer can heal, you've essentially wasted an item.
5. Just knowing the game mechanics will give you an edge. Like, for example, the dealer will never take medication with only 1 charge remaining. He will also never use the phone with 2 shells remaining (only 3 and above). And as I said above, he will almost always shoot himself if there are more blanks than live rounds.

[delicate halo]

Correct. For this particular game, I had 2 or 3 "do-or-die" 50/50's, which I ended up winning. Chance will always be a significant element no matter what when you're trying to go to the distance. Even at near perfect play, the chances of hitting just 1M are like 10-15%.

[gleaming valley]

Lmao okay I litch just finally got the 1 million achievement

I would have kept going but I unfortunately do have a life outside of gambling

[delicate halo]

Much congrats!!

[eager viper]

The highest I got in buckshot roulette is 100K I will likely not attempt 1M

[gleaming valley]

I believe in you

I have faith

[hollow ermine]

congrats bro

[tacit plover]

Never getting this luck again 💀

[indigo sluice]

hi

[rugged chasm]

Howdy

[delicate halo]

Do you start with 50900? Great initial AND final score!

And 0 cigarettes smoked and only 990 mL of beer. That's actually quite impressive.

[tacit goblet]

Finally cashed a decent run

I think my previous uncashed pb was 16mil

[tacit plover]

Thanks! Now I just need to get the "Know when to quit" and "Full house" achievements to 100% the game 💀

[earnest burrow]

Same

[novel nebula]

I know this is the highscore channel, but here is the lowest score.

[bitter gate]

how did you get this

[hot zenith]

By going and getting a coffee.

Dealer will wait for you.

[sick condor]

imagine, being in debt score

[hot zenith]

It does surprise me though, how common the $10 is to get. Saw it a ton over in the Steam discussions. Guess it's far from impossible to get that unlucky in taking too long even if you're trying to win.

[keen pagoda]

i once had an option to cash 6 dollars

no clue if thats rare or not

[hot zenith]

That shouldn't be possible, 10's the minimum.

[keen pagoda]

i might not be remembering it right

might have been 60 actually

[gentle arrow]

me too

[ruby saddle]

is this japanese

[gentle arrow]

yes

I’m japanese

[ruby saddle]

ok

[gentle arrow]

This game is loved in Japan.

[vale ember]

cool

[weary girder]

someone pin this

[silver snow]

😂

[gaunt agate]

recent high score, aiming for 30 rounds next time

[ruby saddle]

68K hoping for 0$

also i thought the name CR wouldnt work thats why its cr

[limber blaze]

Does anyone know the world record for money in buckshot roulette?

[astral yarrow]

I think the in-game high-score board has it on there

then again, I think it says -0 or something so maybe don't listen to that

[clear bramble]

last i checked, was 2.5 bi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb1lnnUgp-g this

[radiant veldt]

how is that possible

[limber blaze]

Okay sweet because I want to try and go for the world record

It would be a nice achievement

Where do you see the in game scoreboard at I didn’t even know it had one?

[clear bramble]

on the pc

but the on game score is full of hackers lol

[hot zenith]

I couldn't even read those scores.

[upbeat sluice]

For some reason I took a video on my phone when this happened and didn't just screenshot, but this is my highscore that I got back in May and haven't been able to beat since

[hollow ermine]

nice, did you get the steam achivement,

?

[upbeat sluice]

At that point I think I had both of the 1 million achievements

[hollow ermine]

how many achievements do you have rn? on steam

[upbeat sluice]

I've had all 16 of them for several months now

[winged bison]

Are there hackers or something in PC buckshot? I genuinely don't know how people are getting in the multi billions

[upbeat sluice]

I'd guess probably there would be

[tacit goblet]

Yeah everything above 10 billion is almost certainly cheated

Though, on a long enough timescale with enough people playing, I think 100+ round runs are definitely possible

Which would be in the tens of trillions

[upbeat sluice]

Incredibly difficult, but not impossible. It would still be suspicious without any kind of recording proving it

[tacit goblet]

Really heavily depends on what the percent win chance with optimal play is

I think there aren’t enough people playing at close to optimal to generate enough runs to see one that gets to 100+ rounds

Intuitively it feels pretty reasonable that the baseline win rate per round is somewhere above 90%. If it was 99%, getting to 100 rounds would be a breeze, so it’s probably somewhere in between those two

Even still, assuming a 90% win rate, a 100 round run is still only about a one on one hundred thousand occurrence

Which is very attainable in the grad scheme of things, but probably not by the small community of skilled DoN runners

https://youtu.be/8Ko3TdPy0TU

This is a great video about unlikely things. In general, literally anything interesting that any human will ever do almost certainly has odds better than 1 in 10^20

[north whale]

Any advice to do this achivement? since i need to do 100% but is to hard for me win at double or nothing

[tacit goblet]

First 3 are pretty easy

You can get Why? and Going out with style at the same time

[jade dust]

How do yah get the first one

[keen pagoda]

use a few specific items in order i think

[lusty storm]

Drink a can of Digita beer, smoke an Orava brand cigarette, pop one of those Koni pills. All in one turn.

[north whale]

yesi i already done, but i need a strategy to get 1000k i lose all time at 3 round

[keen wave]

Cowabunga!

[stark bough]

you invented those?

[lusty storm]

It's the brand names you can see on the items' textures in the game.

[limber blaze]

So I’m getting that the most legit run score without cheats is 2.5b?

[midnight apex]

Currently, ye about 2bil

[woeful glen]

skill issue

[woeful glen]

the best strategy: ||get gud||

[visual reef]

https://tenor.com/view/ooh-yikes-cringe-oh-no-ouch-gif-5098869455375715403

[delicate halo]

90% overall win rate is what my thoughts are too.

[tacit goblet]

I think with optimal play, 95% is reasonable

90% feels like a pretty conservative floor to me

[delicate halo]

Yeah I mean it's just an estimate. I'd love to conduct an experiment with 20 Buckshot Roulette experts to try establishing some sort of baseline win rate over a 2 hour play period.

[wheat spindle]

high score fr

[tacit goblet]

I’ve been thinking about trying to estimate the baseline death probability by counting up the specific scenarios where you have an unavoidable high chance of dying. I think shell count, item count, and charge count are chosen uniformly at random, so there are 84 possibilities. And I think for at least a couple of those 84 you have nearly a 50% chance of dying even with perfect play

The obvious worst loadouts are 7-8 shells with 2 charges and 2 items

[mortal knoll]

I got over 100k on my second attempt yesterday sadly though I didn't get the achievement since it bugged so I have to do it again tomorrow (it's bugged the same way the bronze gates achievement was for me since it started working after restarting the game)

[rugged chasm]

The Highest of Rollers

Enough to buy more beer

[surreal finch]

Trily Chan must be dealer himself

[blazing fiber]

Beer, Cigar, and Medicine.

Take them in a single turn.

Also newbie to Shotgun roulette!

First Doubled or Nothing win (2 Rounds!)

[hollow saddle]

A 0. The Impossible Number.

They need to fix that. Reset the scores if they have to.

[hot fern]

Looks like we Tied.

[hollow ermine]

bro, how did you have a game that long?

1650 beers drunk? wtf

[blazing fiber]

Nah nah nah

1650 ml of beer

that's several cans

330 ml per can I think?

[hollow ermine]

oh

got it now

bruh

but then how did you get the score so low?

[midnight apex]

You wait for about 17 minutes

[blazing fiber]

Longer you take the lower your score

gotcha

[hollow ermine]

oh, thanks

I wonder how much time did it take him

[gloomy hedge]

yeah that's only 5 cans

[hot fern]

1st and 2nd round, dealer and I were stuck with several bouts of 8 shells loads, cigarettes and pills on both sides, with no phones or magnifying glasses. We kept trading blind shots and healing back up our 4 lifes before going again. Thought the rounds would never end.

[blazing fiber]

Damn..

Reminds me of the comic between Time and the Dealer

[hot fern]

The only luck I had in that match was the about 4 pills that didn't kill me.

[blazing fiber]

IN A ROW?!

[hot fern]

Well, technically consecutively. Had a cig or beer inbetween.

But yeah, only the last pill hurt me. Can't remember if I had 5 or 6 total.
(Edit: Well, now I think about, must have been five, cus I don't remember getting hurt on the first one. So it was definitely 5 pills, and only the 5th didn't heal me.)

[blazing fiber]

I haven't died from ANY PILLS yet.

[tacit goblet]

The funny and annoying thing about pills is that it’s almost never correct to use them unless they have a chance of killing you

[rugged chasm]

Best score so far. Hoping to eventually reach the big mil

[tacit goblet]

If we assume a 90% chance of winning any given round, using the optional stopping theorem, you would expect to play 521 gauntlets in total before getting a billion dollar run

It’s 1 in 157 that any particular run gets to a billion, but most runs are shorter than the 16 gauntlets it takes to get to a billion, so the result is substantially less than the upper bound of 157x16

[short halo]

i stopped going for high scores because my computer randomly crashes sometimes (especially when OBS is running while playing) and I dont wanna be 2 hours into a run just to crash

excited for multiplayer tho

[errant swallow]

I feel bad for you bro, I remember being in such situation

[unkempt quest]

highscore blind folded% (aka vulkan error%)

[novel nebula]

1. I just waited for so long it literally gave me $10, even though it looks like its $1000000

2. sorry for the late reply, i didn't see this before

[tacit goblet]

Does anyone know when the timer starts for your initial score in DoN? I would guess that it’s when you hit enter on the keypad but I always type fast just in case it starts earlier

[midnight apex]

As soon as the waiver is signed

[tacit goblet]

So when you hit enter

[midnight apex]

Ye

[rare haven]

legit?

[steel abyss]

Hello, dear developers of Buckshot roulette. I was very hooked on your game back on release, I recommended it to my friends and acquaintances. Please give me 1 game key so that I can enjoy the innovations and continue to recommend the game!!

[ocean niche]

bro... u serious?

[lusty storm]

No, probably not.

[ocean niche]

I hope...

[unique lance]

10 $ ☠️

[main scarab]

How the fuck did you get £10

[unique lance]

idk but this is better than nothing

[main scarab]

Imagine risking your whole life for £10 that's the definition of broke

[hot zenith]

Reminder that Double or Nothing starts as a time-based score. The minimum you can get is $10.

I do wonder though, how many people got it through being AFK, taking several minutes thinking about moves, or having gotten unlucky with rounds stalling. I haven't had that awful of a run yet at least.

[wind umbra]

am i goated?

[tacit goblet]

my very first double or nothing run was like 30+ minutes

[stoic sky]

Not that hard to get

[hollow ermine]

Heya guys, I just got all the achievements of various games, But i also got the one of Buckshot Roulette! Tell me if it's good
https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199262637878/

[hot zenith]

19 hours? Dang.

[mortal knoll]

Guess fuckin what? I've played the game normally and finished the first round fast enough AND I STILL GOT TEN DOLSLRS

It's annoying!

But a silly bug

[hot zenith]

The first round, like just the first killing the Dealer? Or the first set of 3?

[pseudo tartan]

first set of 3. i think the cut off is somewhere between 15 and 30 minutes

[midnight apex]

17 minutes-ish

You lose 200 every 3 seconds or so

[hot zenith]

I know how it works, but I wanted to confirm what @mortal knoll meant for his run.

[pseudo tartan]

right my bad i read that wrong

[midnight apex]

a-

[hollow ermine]

Hey guys this is my alt account

I was using this one cuz = I had blocked this account (Discord problems)

[hollow ermine]

I've played it more in the hacked version but yeah

I'm probably gonna be very good at multiplayer!

I can't wait to play it

I love the welder mask

[hot zenith]

A hacked version? 👀

[mortal knoll]

Yes I meant the first set of 3 I couldn't reply since I was working and I actually mean it I'm on a farm on break rn cuz school has a thing where you can work and get used to jobs so I chose my father's job I've been up till 6am and yesterday I woke up at 5

Or well it's like a farm and school combined

They teach stuff about animals and machines and such

[hot zenith]

Good luck with the farm.

But yeah, a good run takes maybe 9 minutes per set, I probably get like 7 or 8 on average for at least the first set of 3.

[mortal knoll]

K

It's pretty funny that you get 10 dollars sometimes even if you're quick enough

But is really annoying for trying to get a million

Also idk if it's cuz of me running the game in opengl but there's a bug where the game sometimes doesn't give you the achievement even if you complete what you need to for the achievement

For example I couldn't get the bronze gates achievement before I restarted the game

Same for the million achievement I got a million 2 days ago but didn't get the achievement

So I gotta do it a second time

Also somehow every expired medicine was good so I got really lucky

[hot zenith]

What do you mean "quick enough"? If you're getting $10, that means you spent like 20 minutes on those 3 rounds.

[mortal knoll]

Nah

Sometimes it bugs out

And gives you ten cuz haha funni

Atleast I think

Maybe I took too much time but idk

[hot zenith]

I've never heard of that happening. Are you certain you're not going afk?

[mortal knoll]

I didn't go afk

Maybe I just took too long

[hot zenith]

It should be easy if you can recognize the best moves as they come.

And you'll pretty much have 0 idle time, which is important.

[mortal knoll]

The dealer was just annoying on the 1st round and kept healing also it was annoying cuz I tried to smoke as little as possible so that I got much money

So he stole my cigs alot

[hot zenith]

Yeah, you'll want to use your cigarettes if Dealer has adrenaline. That way he doesn't get the chance to heal.

[mortal knoll]

Also I've played double or nothing before and I've taken kinda long some times when I've played but I still got good money so it might be bugged

[mortal knoll]

Yeah

But they lower money

I got a mil easily by only using medicine and somehow they were good on every time

I just got very lucky

[hot zenith]

It's strictly ~200 per 3 seconds. Cigarettes do have a small penalty, but you're losing way more waiting through the animation than the item otherwise does.

[mortal knoll]

K

[hot zenith]

And it's way more of a time loss if Dealer heals.

[mortal knoll]

I mean usually I would have used cigs but I was trying to get the achievement

Which I didn't get since the game bugged out

So I'll try again

[hot zenith]

What achievement is that?

[mortal knoll]

100k

Get a million

It bugged out the same way bronze gates did which simply has you dying on the 3rd round

When I restarted it gave me bronze gates tho

Idk if it's cuz I have the game on opengl or something else

[hot zenith]

I can't say anything about potential bugs. Already mentioned the strategies around the cigarettes though.

[mortal knoll]

I can though

It def was bugged I mean the die achievement

I retried and died multiple times and didn't get the achievement but when I restarted the game and died on the 3rd round I got the achievement

So it's definitely bugged in some way

Since it needs a game restart

But it's fine

[short halo]

not true

[brittle tendon]

Goated? (This was on my second run btw)

[midnight apex]

Nice

[hot zenith]

About the cigarette penalty? I did hear they have a small penalty using them.

[midnight apex]

Only in story

[hot zenith]

Would be hard to confirm without actually looking in the code, for Double or Nothing. I never thought anything about if they did anyway.

[midnight apex]

The item penalty only applies in story