#The Acolyte Spoilers

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warped python
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its just copy and paste the so called antagonist goes out their way to betray their former master its all just the same πŸ˜‚

fickle tide
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just because you didn't like where the plot went. Doesn't mean the plot isnt moving lol

amber kite
lean shard
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plus theres still half the show to go

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who says mae doesnt turn again out of fear of smilo ren

fickle tide
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smilo ren lmao

lean shard
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also

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1v7 lightsaber fight incoming

warped python
lean shard
lean shard
warped python
lean shard
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WAIT WHAT

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ITS ACTUALLY KI-ADI MUNDI

fickle tide
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yep

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was in the credits lol

lean shard
fickle tide
warped python
fickle tide
lean shard
warped python
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his grandfather

lean shard
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nope its him

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in the credits

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(hes seething)

fickle tide
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he was seething the whole episode lol

lean shard
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invents reason to get mad at it and then gets mad

mortal reef
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i wonder if the smilo ren dude is actually a sith

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I mean, if he is... that does some weird shit, especially of any of the main cast survives and just... doesnt tell anyone that the Sith are still out there

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maybe he is just a dark jedi?

lean shard
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or a force sensitive outcast

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or maybe just some guy possessed by a helmet idk

mortal reef
lean shard
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1v7 gonna be peak...

warped python
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bet it's not gonna happen too early in the season lmao

mortal reef
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i wanted to see the duel!!! but no! cliffhanger!

fickle tide
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anyway, I feel like I enjoyed this episode a lot more than last week's

mortal reef
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yea

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this is a somewhat better way of subverting expectations than last time
felt a lot more natural and not like... chucking away the saber immediately upon recieving it

warped python
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yeah because it was a flashback... I'd be pretty surprise if someone like a whole episode dedicated to a flashback

mortal reef
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?

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im talking about

warped python
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wasnt talking to you

mortal reef
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use reply function

lean shard
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thats not luke!!!!! thats jake!!!1!

fickle tide
warped python
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or just maybe if it doesnt apply to your message dont get technical and say anything lol πŸ’€

warped python
mortal reef
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i like to follow conversations and context to messages
it is frustrating to see something seemingly unrelated and not being elaborated

warped python
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new flash no one caresFinnSmile

lean shard
warped python
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it's a good thing some scenes were present day that episode lol

fickle tide
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yeah, people were definitely praising the present day scenes in that episode for sure lol

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πŸ™„

mortal reef
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werent people whining about jacen's whole shtick

lean shard
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probably because it took valuable screentime away from anakin

warped python
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the transitions to the next flashback help the watcher

lean shard
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anyway i expect the show will end with osha and mae teaming up to defeat smilo ren with one dying in the process

the power of one, the power of two etc etc

mortal reef
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focus on narrative issues. the flashback episode gave pretty important context to Osha's view of her past

warped python
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what are you on about bruh

fickle tide
warped python
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were talking about the ahsoka flashback transitioning from present day to flashback πŸ˜‚

fickle tide
lean shard
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ahsoka flashbacks make no sense

what are they there for?

mortal reef
warped python
lean shard
fickle tide
lean shard
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the literal start of the episode says "16 years ago" in bold letters on the screen

fickle tide
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Heres your transition

lean shard
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man live action ahsoka sucks

warped python
lean shard
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doubt

mortal reef
lean shard
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cosplayers did a better job

mortal reef
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rosario really wasnt the right pick at all

fickle tide
# lean shard man live action ahsoka sucks

Rosario imo has got the looks, but thats about it lol. If I'm gonna be super charitable, maybe they were directing her to act a certain way, but she definitely lacks the choreography

lean shard
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honestly i'd have cast ashley, disney has the money to train her in fight choreography

mortal reef
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indeed

fickle tide
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I think my Rosario blackpill moment was realizing while watching Morgan fight in the Ahsoka series was that the fight between Morgan and Ahsoka in Mandalorian S2 wasn't slow and stiff because of Morgan's actress, but because of Rosario's lmaoo

mortal reef
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they got Mikkelsen in for Thrawn

lean shard
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plus ashley even cosplayed ahsoka once (it was okay)

mortal reef
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though lars already did live action stuff and didn't actually do any action as thrawn

fickle tide
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It was just a fun low budget cosplay so I won't give her shit for it

mortal reef
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yeah ashley could've pulled off ahsoka. disney has the money to get the good costume and the training

lean shard
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of course it'd make a certain crowd mad though

mortal reef
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what crowd

lean shard
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probably accusing of whitewashing ahsoka

mortal reef
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ah

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yeah. whitewashing. an orange-skinned alien.

lean shard
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"bro shes black in facial features!!!!1!"

in a heavily stylized show
....where in rebels she looks white as hell

mortal reef
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...stares awkwardly at Tropic Thunder

lean shard
warped python
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nobody cares about skin color in these films the only reason people would be mad is writing πŸ’€ people are mad because their pushing the "Gay" narrative more in star wars

fickle tide
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here we go lol

lean shard
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make ahsoka gay

lean shard
obsidian basin
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aren’t togrutas and twileks supposed to be any race/ethnicity

mortal reef
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I wanna see Ahsoka kiss Mon Mothma just to make them mad

obsidian basin
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i feel like ashley could have played ashoka for sure

warped python
lean shard
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no, 5 examples of a gay narrative being pushed

fickle tide
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nah give us 5 of those reasons too actually lmao

mortal reef
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oh hey its on Paramount+ now

hidden lake
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FUCK i forgot about today's ep

fickle tide
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I can think of 1 reason right off the bat YodaHmm

hidden lake
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Lets see it

warped python
mortal reef
pseudo blade
mortal reef
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However because I work at Walmart I get paramount+ for free

lean shard
obsidian basin
mortal reef
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i shall watch it tomorrow probably

mortal reef
obsidian basin
mortal reef
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Opinions are opinions though so just form ya own

lean shard
obsidian basin
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of course

lean shard
warped python
lean shard
mortal reef
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Like clicking on a source on wikipedia and it telling you to look it up, ffs

warped python
lean shard
fickle tide
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bro there's just so many of them I can't name em

mortal reef
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Do you gotta go back to college just to learn how to cite your damn sources?

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Oh... wait...

warped python
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ryan kinel posted some lol with a good source of critics on the good and bad 70k viewer count go check it out

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its just a long ass pod cast a couple days ago πŸ˜‚

mortal reef
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I'm not sifting through a long-ass podcast for you

lean shard
warped python
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for me ?

fickle tide
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you know we're getting peak journalism right here KEKW

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mortal reef
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Watch it yourself, timestamp each of your sources, and show it to us

warped python
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I dont type essays lol just watch it lmao

fickle tide
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clearly not

mortal reef
fickle tide
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link the podcast I only see short form videos on his channel

mortal reef
lean shard
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you made a claim that disney has a gay agenda

i asked for examples for you to prove this

you are refusing to post any examples (e.g "they made thus character gay") and instead directing us to watch youtubers

fickle tide
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it's giving... Mike Zeroh

mortal reef
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even criticaldrinker can be more nuanced and the guy is about as three dimensional as a piece of paper

warped python
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who's mike Zeroh πŸ’€ a youtuber?

fickle tide
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You'd probably like him, he talks about, Kathleen Kennedy and 'woke' a lot

mortal reef
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Don't forget Doomcock

fickle tide
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I don't see this podcast, was he on someone else's podcast?

blissful lotus
fickle tide
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w8 i think i found it

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I found one from 3 weeks ago

warped python
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these other creators like "not obi wan kenobi and screencrush"

fickle tide
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I'm gonna assume you're talking about a different podcast because this one doesn't have any points that back you up lmao

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I thought this was pretty funny tho ngl

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As much as Rise of Skywalker in my opinion is one of the most dogshit pieces of Star Wars media I've had the displeasure of witnessing... bro could have atleast pretended to have seen the film

hidden lake
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I see tonight's entertainment is in here today

fickle tide
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Rey... did get hurt... did get overpowered... and... did die

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and was saved... by a man lol

hidden lake
warped python
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but if you want one so bad just watch that i guess

fickle tide
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if I go

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"theres too many Sith!"

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and someone goes

warped python
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It cant get that much simpler 😭

fickle tide
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"Name 5 sith."

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and I go

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"uhhhhh, uhhhhh, uhhhhhhhh, theres just too many bro!"

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kinda makes it seem like I don't know wtf I'm talking about huh?

hidden lake
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Lol that video. You're going too deep into the fandom menace stinkhole.

warped python
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I said "people" what makes you think i know everyones name that im watching when i clearly said I listen to all good and bad 😭

hidden lake
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Who's "good" who's "bad"

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That's very subjective matter

warped python
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"people" bro I like to listen to both critics and others' opinions on star wars

hidden lake
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What are your own conclusions then

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Because Star Wars critique has been plummeting in quality. You need to be careful in whom you listen to

fickle tide
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Alr I watched this video. So in the video he lays out that Disney has more female leads than male leads across shows and movies

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Which is, untrue.

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There are 7 female leads in Disney projects. Rey, Ahsoka, Omega, Osha, Jyn, Barris, Morgan.

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There's 9 male leads. Han, Hunter, Cassian, Din, Boba, Obi-wan, Kaz, Ezra, and Dooku

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so roughly even

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Secondly, he makes a list of all of the LGBTQ characters he can think of period in Star Wars, but prefixes it by saying that "During George Lucas, there were no gay characters." while in his list, he lists Cade Skywalker and I'ra Saa, who were characters introduced during Lucas's era... not Disney

warped python
fickle tide
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He then says that Lucas didn't focus on orientation of characters. whatever that means?

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Then finally he says the whole point of his video is that. "When you introduce DEI, you no longer get Star Wars"

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Star Wars is when... no gay

hidden lake
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What

fickle tide
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he's a consoomer

warped python
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whats wrong with just hearing out other people's thoughts on the franchise lmao, I dont just listen to critics πŸ˜‚

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people like screen crush and their reviews is what i really watch

fickle tide
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See, here's what I like to do, when I listen to someone make an argument, I listen to determine whether or not their argument has merit. In this video alone, this indivdual was factually incorrect on at least two of his points, and doesn't actually elaborate on what he believes and why he believes it. Then I go well, why does he make these errors in his video? Did he make them because he is ignorant of what he is talking about? Or did he make them purposefully to set an agenda? Then we go from there.

I don't listen to people just to listen to them.

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That's why we have so many people who go around and parrot misinformation and make sloppy arguments for things they're been told to think or agree with.

warped python
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well did you tell him that or just waste your time telling us instead of him πŸ’€πŸ˜­

fickle tide
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I'm telling you that. Because you're the type of person I am describing in the last sentence.

hidden lake
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That's why I've also been asking you what you believe in since you listen to so many people

warped python
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I said that people are saying that disney is pushing a gay narrative how is that misinforming you lmao

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Not in the slightest bit did i say i agree with them πŸ’€

hidden lake
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Who even brought this up first.

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I see what you mean but where did this come from

warped python
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they were talking why people were upset with recasting ahsoka or whoever was in it then i said thats not true that people would get mad at that because clearly some people are mad that disney is pushing a gay narrative more in starwars

hidden lake
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You said people don't care about skin color when you have groups (in the star wars community) that both encourage and oppose diversification of casts.

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(We saw this extensively during Acolyte's pre-release)

warped python
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they recast people all the time that wouldnt be a major upset... but its clear that these critics care about a certain motive of sexual identity being more of a priority than a nicely written story, that is what seems to be a bigger upset for these critics 😭

hidden lake
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It's maddening

warped python
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yeah well you cant win them all right πŸ˜‚

sour goblet
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so, we all think the greasy asian dude is actually mae's master, right?

warped python
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they might pull a Scream 6 on us lol

hidden lake
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mint orbit
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This is all Kathleen said and they're asking for her head on a pike again

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This fanbase is a fucking joke. I'm sick of seeing star wars on a non star wars community and knowing the discussion is just toxic and bad faith and degenerate. If I tried to speak facts on the good Kathleen has also do, then I would get ganged up on by the mob mentality

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Seriously losing interest in the fanbase as a while, it's not even humorous anymore

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Oh for fuck sake.

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Now I'm really malding

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Also fucking ridiculous that the thread responding to this quote are clearly male dominated and very personal insults. Zero self awareness.

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/end of a malding

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lucid glen
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Still need to watch the episode, is Star Wars killed yet?

hot parrot
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Just in a coma

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Hope to finally see the sith in action in this episode

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Bcs Ki Adi cameo and pronouns moment aint gonna cut it

mint orbit
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If only bro could hear himself

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Crying about they pronouns in a franchise surrounded by androgynous aliens is truly regarded

mint orbit
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Some weird edits in this episode tho ngl. Felt like my putting a star wars wipe in a meme video on my phone.. it continues to appropriately build intrigue for me though and where it could go

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But I once again stress, if it fails all this build up at the finish line then it fails pretty hard

hot parrot
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Alright

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That cliffhanger

mint orbit
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It's forced because you're an insufferable closeted bigot that any amount of tolerance cannot be tolerated by you

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Like fucking of COURSE there's species with no gender in star wars. That's how aliens often work.

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Fucking crybaby snowflake god damn

hot parrot
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Nah , it's forced because anyone with half a brain can understand that corporations use these social trends to make money, while you praise it thinking its progress

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for example, that dude/girl hero in GenV was an interesting approach on the gender debate

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That was great

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But here, it's just cringe

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Anyway, boring episode, hope the next will have some substance

mint orbit
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But you're so desperate in your agenda of protecting Star wars from the wokeism that you've gone blind with arrogance

white kindle
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this episode was eh

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the ending was sick though

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but it was pretty boring despite there being some interesting points

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I kinda feel like giving up on this show but at the same time I'm watching it so I have something new to watch.

white kindle
hot parrot
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This is what I'm trying to explain. This scene had no purpose other than to check the pronoun box

hot parrot
white kindle
hot parrot
lucid glen
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Bro Sol's actor is so fucking good with his english acting considering he didn't know the language before this show

white kindle
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ikr

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and of course we have people like this

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hot parrot
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Yeah well ,can't stop the grifters

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It's hilarious how they all release the same video, saying the same shit

white kindle
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true

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gotta love that mob mindset

hot parrot
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They are just making money of these people

white kindle
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yeah

lucid glen
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Pronouns?? In MY Star Wars?? What next, adjectives???

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lean shard
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reminder that theres still nothing to say that smilo ren isnt tech

white kindle
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he has time travelled!

lucid glen
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That emotion makes him more compelling than the MORE stoic and emotionless Jedi Masters around him

lucid glen
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Don't tell me people are crying about that...

white kindle
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just say "are they..." if you are unsure about someone's pronouns

lucid glen
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Jesus christ have you never messed up accidently?

white kindle
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yeah

lucid glen
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Most people default to he for someone they don't know the pronoun for

white kindle
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but I have learned to just ask them or use "they"

lucid glen
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SHE USED THEY

white kindle
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people will correct me if need be

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then make it sound natural

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not "oh you used the wrong pronouns so you need to correct yourself"

lucid glen
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It sounded very natural, she was curious about the alien whose gender was not clear, she defaulted to he like 80% of people then corrected to they

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I've done it before irl a couple times

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I've heard others do it irl a couple times

white kindle
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eh ok

lucid glen
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SW fans need to stop being pathetic and criticise the things that actually deserve criticism

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I'm gonna resume the episode before I get too worked up

white kindle
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some dialogue was pretty stupid anyways

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it's more due to poor writing there

lucid glen
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The dialogue has been strong so far and I'm 1/3 of the way into the episode

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Definitely stronger than the previous episodes, esp in the scene where Sol convinces Osha to help them find Kelnacca

hot parrot
white kindle
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most of the time it's fine

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but yeah

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it's definitely stronger than 1-3

lucid glen
white kindle
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lol

hot parrot
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Please answer the question

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Bcs you saying the dialogue is "strong" is actually alarming

lucid glen
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Please stop whingeing about pronouns

hot parrot
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so i want to compare

white kindle
lucid glen
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Obviously it's strong relative to other SW shows

white kindle
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the dialogue could be a little less plot related

lucid glen
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And obviously it's weak compared to shows like sopranos or the wire

white kindle
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well have a few more non-plot bits of dialogue

lucid glen
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This isn't the gotcha you were planning for it to be

white kindle
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like don't talk about the plot 100% of the time

hot parrot
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no need to gotcha on something as stupid as this

lucid glen
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So go back to pounding the floor like a baby over he/they being used in a show

hot parrot
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I was just curious

white kindle
hot parrot
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Nobody is pouding the floor

white kindle
white kindle
hot parrot
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If you cant tell the difference between jobless grifters making money over young and stupid people and actually legit criticism. Its pointless to argue

lucid glen
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Ah yes your "legit criticism" which amounted to....what exactly?

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A natural bit of dialogue designed to inform us the name of the tracker?

hot parrot
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the fact that this pronoun scene was pointless. And even more in such a badly written show

white kindle
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they are doing almost the same thing as I did

hot parrot
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Cant they just fucking focus on quality

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For christ sake

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is it too much to ask

lucid glen
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SW fans try not to nitpick over 5 seconds of footage in an episode challenge

hot parrot
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the same way those grifters jump on any detail to create drama and engagement, you people cant stop yourself from jumping on your high horse hoping to get the moral high ground

white kindle
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huh

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tf are you on?

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all this nitpicking is annoying is all he is saying

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I am guilty of it myself

lucid glen
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He's rambling to justify his hatred same with every other episode

hot parrot
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Ofc people are going to nitpick

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its made by disney

lucid glen
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This repeats weekly

hot parrot
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millions of dollars are invested in this

lucid glen
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We should make a separate thread just for whatz's bitching

hot parrot
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It's should be absolute peak

lucid glen
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You can bitch there to your heart's content

white kindle
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the thing is they aren't making the effort to make some valid criticisms

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e.g. the writing was poorly done because of such and such

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not this episode was bad because there was a fire in space

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and that's one of the worst examples of fans being super nitpicky

hot parrot
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Yeah , the same way people are nitpicking over high profile production

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Look at GoT. Everybody was betting on the failure of HOTD

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but it was good and well made

white kindle
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I really don't see why you're arguing

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we're making the same points

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just talking about two different quality levels

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mint orbit
# hot parrot Cant they just fucking focus on quality

Why can't they just make star wars for everyone and everyone has favourite content that they can pick and choose from a plethora of genres, quality focuses, set designs, choreography, plot writing, tones etc etc

Why must everything be mature and gritty like Andor when you and everybody else was introduced to star wars when they were young and what was coming out. Always has been.

hot parrot
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Im just asking for quality man

mint orbit
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Star wars has never had compelling writing or dialogue. If you came to star wars expecting these time and time again, then YOURE the problem. YOURE setting your expectations up to fail, not Kathleen lol

white kindle
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same

hot parrot
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they can put anything in it as long as it's good

mint orbit
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And vice versa

hot parrot
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what

mint orbit
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I've seen people say Shawshank redemption was boring writing lol

hot parrot
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yeah bcs some people have bad taste

mint orbit
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Like you

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We can go that route if you like

hot parrot
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Like for example, i really dont like fantasy setting; Like elf and dwarf

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I dont watch it

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but im not saying its dog shit

mint orbit
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I bet you had plenty to say about ring of power tho

hot parrot
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Writing and acting is not a matter of opinion

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Its either good or bad

mint orbit
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You can be objective as possible, but there will always be subjective elements to it

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That's impossible to remove

hot parrot
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Yeah ofc

white kindle
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def

mint orbit
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So when someone says the dialogue is pretty solid... They're not wrong

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Neither are you

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You're too close to the line, it's become grey

white kindle
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what do you mean by too close to the line?

mint orbit
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This is why people are saying stfu until it's done and dusted

mint orbit
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It's impossible to simply slap an objective label on it rn

white kindle
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mhm

mint orbit
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You can say "it could turn out shit" or "it could turn out great" but you cannot say definitively what it is rn

lucid glen
mint orbit
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Think of it like this... Andor worked in 3 episode arcs right? Build up for 2, final act in 3rd? Acolyte is doing that over a full season

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If Andor has shit final acts, it wouldn't be s tier

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Same here

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It has to be worth it

lean shard
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dave filoni retcons an entire book
awww you're sweet

they change ki-adi-mundis age from legends
HELLO HUMAN RESOURCES??!

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lucid glen
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It's legends...? How is changing a legends character in a canon show surprising lol

lean shard
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because its BAD because wokelyte dod it

mint orbit
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Fr

lucid glen
mint orbit
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Memesoon what is your unfiltered unadulterated dogshit opinion on acolyte so far?

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Aw bruh ifunny watermark

lean shard
mint orbit
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Yeah that's fair

lean shard
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better than kenobi, bobf and ahsoka

mint orbit
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Fr

lean shard
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but thats not a high bar

mint orbit
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Im gonna say something wild... I'm enjoying it as much as the new season of boys. Acolyte gets many points for attempting to be innovative at least

lucid glen
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I quit watching boys after the 522nd "kill homelander but fail then try again" plot

lean shard
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smh they made the boys WOKE

lucid glen
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I do like how certain parts of the viewerbase are just now realising that they were the ones being made fun of in the show

lean shard
hot parrot
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I wish we could see some trained supe at some point

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ones that actually know what they are doing

jade pelican
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Kimiko

lament peak
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Did episode 4 ruin star wars again

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For the 4th time this week!

hidden lake
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Interesting that Ki Adi Mundi made a cameo. Apparently makes him much older than his legends counterpart.

lucid glen
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Wasn't oppo rancisis super old too? Would it make sense for him to be in acolyte as well

hidden lake
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Yeah, would be cool to see him

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hidden lake
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Credits

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Oh shit does Alibi's bet count for this. He didn't specify which BF2 and Mundi is a hero in 2005

mint orbit
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O shit πŸ‘€

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He probably doesn't own og tho lol

warped python
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its just way too much film grain

lucid glen
hidden lake
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Chewie but he's super unlikely

lucid glen
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No way πŸ˜‚

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Bro would be pushing 200 during sequels

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...

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Apparently they live for 400 years so never fucking mind

languid ice
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Were those ki adi mundi and plo koon

white kindle
hidden lake
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There was a Kel Dor in the episode. No idea if it was Plo or not

lean shard
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it isnt

white kindle
#

I think Plo would be about the right age

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he was 385 when he died

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no idea where that info was from though

lean shard
#

they contradicted ki-adi-mundo's legends age, this is what happens when you hire for woke ESG points😀

white kindle
#

tf

lament peak
#

Also they could have shaak ti appear because her age isn't confirmed and force sensitive togruta can live up to like 200 years oldDarthLonen

silver marsh
#

Hey guys is Star Wars dead yet

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Oh ok they got Ki Adi Mundi’s age wrong, that’s it, I’m done with Star Wars

#

Disney has gone TOO FAR

mint orbit
#

Star wars would never retcon information

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It is unheard of

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/s

lament peak
#

He doesn't even have a age in canon

#

People are 100% gonna complain though

lean shard
fickle tide
#

Gotta be a red herring

sour goblet
#

because this show has a history of not doing predictable things? or?

fickle tide
#

Tbh I wasn't expecting Kelnacca to already be dead πŸ’€

sour goblet
#

fair

fickle tide
#

They got me

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Side note, every time I see people complaining about Pronouns, this clip is just ingrained into my consciousness

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sour goblet
#

its a nothing argument. its the equivalent of the "that alien isn't a guy?" trope. we've seen it in literally every sci fi franchise known to man.

hidden lake
#

Exactly

mortal reef
mint orbit
#

greasy? Idgi

mortal reef
#

maes friend that she trapped via rope

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idk about greasy. sleazy maybe.

lucid glen
#

This is marrok all over again

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It's probably a new character

sour goblet
mint orbit
#

OHHHHH

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I had a brain fart ig

sour goblet
#

i couldnt remember his name

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qimir

mint orbit
#

I do not buy in to that theory, no. I think it's just some new villain shmuck they're gonna introduce

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(it's actually Yoda standing on Grogu's shoulder after they travelled back in time from the World Between Worlds as they are now multiversal peacekeepers)

hot parrot
#

Do you think the smiling dude could be the apprentice while another sith master is soon to be revealed ?

mint orbit
#

Smiling dude?

sour goblet
#

his helmet looks like a smile

hot parrot
#

yeah "the master"

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even if they call him the master

mint orbit
#

I was just gonna call him Killo Ren

sour goblet
#

i think the internet has dubbed him "Smilo Ren"

mint orbit
#

LOL

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They've been combined

sour goblet
#

i dont know if another sith will be revealed (at least this season), but i do think Plagueis and his master are already canonized in Disney canon, so it'd have to be an apprentice.

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Probably a Vader-Starkiller/Maul-Savage situation where the apprentice is trying to get an apprentice of his own to overthrow the real master

mint orbit
#

Imagine it was fresh apprentice palpatine LOL

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The rug pull...

hot parrot
mint orbit
#

I mean they already fucked with Ki Adi's age

image0.gif
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Palpatines return #3

sour goblet
#

that one might be a bit more immutable. There's a 2023 encyclopedia that includes High Republic stuff and has Sheev's birthyear listed.

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which, ironically, retconned it by 2 years compared to the last source of Sheev's birthyear

mint orbit
#

Yeah I know, I'm just being provocative

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It's a super high chance it's what you said

#

Interesting how powerful they've made him tho

sour goblet
#

ye

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i dunno, tho, sith apprentices have always been kinda powerful. especially Sith apprentices that have previous beef with the Jedi Order, which if qimir's dialogue in Ep 2 is any indication, i think he might.

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See: Dooku vs Nightsister assassins, Dooku in Ep 2, Vader in anything between Ep 3 and 4.

hot parrot
#

i mean dooku was a sith "apprentice" but he was a jedi master

sour goblet
#

right, that's what i mean tho. sith apprentice isn't the same as a jedi apprentice, they're not younglings in training, they can be powerful.

hot parrot
#

Yeah , i also think its another way to show the jedi arrogance, thinking they can rush a threat like that without thinking

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I hope he wipes the jedi squad, grievous style

sour goblet
#

There's definitely some redshirts in the squad they've got there.

lucid glen
#

Straight up did a Force wave

mint orbit
#

Like I hear ya but dooku is a special case

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Maul too

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There's a reason these were considered the return of the sith

sour goblet
#

i mean we dont know this masked guy in the acolyte isn't a sith lord. he just isn't in sideous' "lineage" of masters.

Let's say for simplicity's sake the "real" sith master is Plagueis' master, Tenebrous. Smilo Ren could be a sith lord, like dooku or vader was, but still have Tenebrous as a master. If he gets killed off (we assume he will be bc we haven't heard of him), Tenebrous just replaces him with Plagueis. Like Sideous replaced Dooku with Vader.

mint orbit
#

He can't be tho

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It would destroy that plot thread in the prequels

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I think he will simply be a dark side user essentially.

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Or just a sith apprentice but not a sith lord

sour goblet
#

its a moot point rn, grasping at an explanation as to why hes so powerful. but whether or not he's a sith lord really doesnt matter, it only matters what the jedi report him as, or if there are any jedi that survive the encounter long enough to report what he is.

mint orbit
#

Yeah that's fair

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We've already seen they're willing to hide things for the order

lucid glen
#

He is a knight of ren

sour goblet
#

nailed it

hot parrot
#

I really hope smilo ren aint Qimir

silver pasture
#

I feel like this is going to neatly tie into Project Necromancer, Osha and Mae being the first force capable strandcasts, the Sith in the episode being Darth Venamis, and Darth Tenebrous being his master. This of course means Darth Plagueis is involved

lean shard
#

the ki-adi-mundi thing gets funnier

#

"they edited the canon page for his birth year!!!!"

#

turns out said age was added in june
....with no source

#

so someone edited it in, the it got edited out

lament peak
#

Wookiepedia is all made by fans anyway

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And is wrong all the time

warped python
#

Changing written dialogued characters from George by writers that have no experience with any star wars labels lol

#

tenebrous is definitely around because this show takes place like 88 years before phantom menace

lean shard
#

does tenevrous even still exist

warped python
#

Pretty sure because he was killed in 67 bby i believe

#

Penguinz is funny asf with his star wars reviews πŸ˜­πŸ™πŸ½

lean shard
#

the "the pee pee poo poo drama is insane" guy?

warped python
#

the long haired guy yeah

mint orbit
hidden lake
#

What'd they even change other than his age

warped python
hidden lake
#

...
Why is his age suddenly relevant, it changes virtually nothing about his character and it gives him more opportunities to appear in extended media

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And regardless he hasn't had a canonical age since the EU was disbanded

warped python
mossy stag
#

Funniest part is people acting like it's shitting on George, as if he ever cared about EU/Legends canon, let alone what Ki-Adi-Mundi's birthday was

warped python
#

something about a line he said in ep 1 but it was such a small line

mossy stag
#

Which is also easily explained away like 3 different ways, and we haven't even seen the rest of the eps yet

hidden lake
warped python
#

Its understandable... what else would you call a man sending his apprentice to kill jedi because i sure as would call him a sith lol πŸ˜‚

mossy stag
#

I mean that mini-council immediately didn't jump to that conclusion

hidden lake
#

Because, as Ki Adi Mundi would reflect apon 100 years later, they thought that the Sith were extinct

warped python
#

yeah them undermining that fact is a reason theyre going to die in 100 years πŸ’€

hidden lake
#

Anyways we've yet to see if "Smileo Ren" is actually de facto sith or merely a dark jedi.

silver marsh
#

That’s how we got Andor

#

People writing a good show first and writing SW second

regal carbon
#

Only thing I do like about acolyte is that we call the masked sith Smileo Ren XD

silver marsh
#

Doesn’t automatically make it better that they haven’t seen it but there needs to be a balance of non fans and fans on the writing staff

warped python
regal carbon
#

Other than that I really don't like Star Wars Acolyte. There's just too much lore breaking.

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One thing that I felt was very unnecessary was the pronoun scene in episode 4. It felt odd. I have nothing against that scene, it just felt weird to have.

#

That's just my personal opinion. I'll keep watching the show but so far I REALLY don't like it 😦

warped python
#

that scene caught me off guard

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πŸ˜‚ like since when did star wars care about pronouns

silver marsh
#

People have those

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It’s not really a SW thing it’s more like a general existing thing

#

Still haven’t watched it tho so I’ll get back about the lore breaking

warped python
#

But nobody in star wars has cared wether it was a "he/they" or whatever they said lmao πŸ˜‚

regal carbon
#

It just felt very unnecessary to have, I think we all know what they were trying to do with it which again I really have nothing against but if it is that case it was poorly put in and not exactly what I want to listen.

#

Like... I don't care about pronouns, why should I care about it if I'm watching a show? I could just use their name.

silver marsh
#

Everyone has them some people have different ones it is what it is

#

Nothing to make a fuss over

#

Don’t make me tap the sign

warped python
hidden lake
regal carbon
#

I'm not making a fuss over it, it just felt really odd.

silver marsh
#

It is what it is

regal carbon
#

True.

hidden lake
#

Eh maybe. Delivery has been hit or miss.

silver marsh
regal carbon
#

I just think it could have been executed better XD

silver marsh
#

Probably

#

That’s the Star Wars TV way

regal carbon
#

Other than that and the lorebreaking I'll keep watching until the end.

#

Just don't remind me the power of many song. XD

warped python
#

I honestly think it was their way of being funny

hidden lake
silver marsh
#

I haven’t seen it yet but I am preliminary giving it a 7/10

#

Probably 6.5/10

#

From the discourse I’ve heard

regal carbon
#

Hold on

#

Gotta find it

#

Ki-Adi-Mundi is apparently alive at the time of acolyte which is not accurate with when he was born.

hidden lake
#

Actually he still doesn't have one, he's just older

regal carbon
#

Uhhh yes he did?

#

Canonically he was not suppose to be born until 39 years after Acolyte

#

If he was alive during acolyte, then he would know about the sith.

#

Which would mess up one of the quotes he would say in the Phantom menace.

warped python
#

Pretty sure i wasnt the only one that read those star wars character biographies that had their birth years or am i tweaking

lament peak
#

He has no backstory in canon

hidden lake
#

Problem:
The term "sith" has not been said throughout the show's runtime until this point

#

I think

lament peak
#

It hasn't

#

Because the jedi have no reason to think it's a sith

regal carbon
#

Technically no

hidden lake
#

But yeah, regardless, we still don't know if Smiley is a sith or a pretender

regal carbon
#

I think you mean Smilo Ren. πŸ˜‰

warped python
regal carbon
#

There's also episode 3 which I'm really not going to go into because of how so many things just don't make sense in it.

#

Too much to explain about it

warped python
#

I've never heard anyone say dark jedi at all in any film or am I missing one

regal carbon
#

Nope

#

Anyway I'm going to hop away, just wanted to share my thoughts.

#

See you all on next episode.

hidden lake
#

Okay

regal carbon
lucid glen
#

I'll be very pleasantly surprised if you have any genuine criticisms

lucid glen
lucid glen
white kindle
lucid glen
#

???

#

I need to go touch grass lol I'm missing obvious jokes

#

The fanbase's reaction to this show has put me on edge

white kindle
lean shard
#

if theres a wookiee in something, he'll be cast

mint orbit
#

The fact that flashbacks are considered wasting a character makes zero fucking sense

#

You can kill a character episode 1 and include them heavily on the entire rest of the season

#

It has been done plenty before

#

Very weird hill to die on, sounds like one of the weird hater copes

mint orbit
#

It's so easy to not be a grifter guys

#

So fucking easy

lucid glen
#

Literally what are you talking about

lucid glen
# mint orbit

Speaking of the stupid Ki Adi discourse, apparently people are mad the canon wiki page got updated

white kindle
white kindle
hidden lake
white kindle
# lucid glen

this isn't called gatekeeping; it's called don't be an absolute d*** and act like a civilised person.

#

gatekeeping is what the sequel haters do

mint orbit
# lucid glen

Dude that reply has to be the most bad faith retort I've seen in months

#

Holy fuck

white kindle
#

ikr

mint orbit
#

That's like saying telling gamers to not tell people how to end their own life with high degree of detail would be gatekeeping

#

Dangerous logic

hot parrot
#

it was supposed to be yoda instead of ki adi

#

but they didnt get the greenlight on it

hidden lake
#

Sauce?

hot parrot
#

sec

#

she wrote the episode

hidden lake
#

I see

mint orbit
#

wait tech avail? As in the only reason is because of the availability of tech?

#

But the show is so expensive...

#

I get the feeling this show was scrapped at some point

hot parrot
#

i got another screencap about why the wookie death was offscreen (bcs of budget) but i cant find the original tweet. Im afraid its fake

mint orbit
#

Nahhh fr?

#

Now fandom menace is lying?

hot parrot
mint orbit
#

That's even more pathetic than review bombing, I hope not

white kindle
#

the Wookie is a suit like they always are

hot parrot
#

pretty sure its fake or deleted

white kindle
#

so how does that impact budget

mint orbit
#

Honestly those jarring cuts make me think a lot was kinda changed late in the process

#

I get their vision but it felt like a couple student fan film star wars wipeβ„’Β© edits

#

You can't find a cool way to leave them on the ground and the dark sider standing over them? We're gonna cut mid force push? Mmkay then

hot parrot
#

they should have cut when mae realize smilo is here

mint orbit
#

@hot parrot opinions on his entrance?

#

You can't lie it wasn't cool af

hot parrot
#

Tbh it was cool

mint orbit
#

I love how they presented "what the fuck is a sith" mentality from the jedi

hot parrot
#

yeahhh

mint orbit
#

Because they take long to react but it feels believable

hot parrot
#

that line from the girl

#

what is that

#

That was perfect

mint orbit
#

Real

hot parrot
#

but i wished we had something about the cold

#

like with kanan and vader

#

Only Sol react

mint orbit
#

Ok true.....

#

You're so real for that

#

Vader Vs Kanan & Ezra is peak fiction ngl

hot parrot
#

Yeah

mint orbit
#

Bro shows up like FUCK YOUR KIDDY PLOT ARMOUR

hot parrot
#

Vader seemed so fucking invicible

white kindle
hot parrot
#

"What is that"

#

or "What is this"

mint orbit
#

P sure it's "what is that"

white kindle
#

the entrance of the Sith guy at the end was sick

mint orbit
#

Ya

hot parrot
#

Yeah , and for once we got some good acting

mint orbit
white kindle
#

they made it really well

hot parrot
#

that girl looked very terrified

mint orbit
#

Sol too

#

Bro did a 😧

#

Wait no

#

Discord changes it lol

hot parrot
mint orbit
#

That's the MCU edition

white kindle
#

apparently the va for the Sith and Qimir are the same in the Spanish dub

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jade pelican
hot parrot
#

It's him

#

100%

#

I saw some post about his hand gesture

mint orbit
#

That doesn't mean nothing

hot parrot
#

and he is apparently very present in interviews and all

#

I would bet if the thread was still open

hidden lake
mint orbit
#

Ugh it's gonna be him isn't it

#

I think that's kinda boring

hot parrot
#

like neo-sauron

#

shit was obvious from the get go

white kindle
#

they had better make Qimir a much more interesting character then

mint orbit
#

I didn't see it tbf but I'm trying to see the artists vision more than anything else rn

hot parrot
mint orbit
#

I mean him secretly being a sith mf is pretty interesting on top of his current character

#

It just... Isn't creative

#

Bit mid innit

white kindle
hot parrot
mint orbit
#

Might be

white kindle
#

same

mint orbit
#

They said might

#

Theorising

white kindle
mint orbit
#

Oh you said commenter here

#

I didn't see the reply

#

My b

hidden lake
#

||Damn I was hoping they wouldnt be sith||

#

||They'd better be careful how they go about this||

mint orbit
#

They're clearly very careful

#

😭

hidden lake
#

huh

white kindle
#

who's being naughty?

hot parrot
#

he said a bad word

hidden lake
#

twas a gif

white kindle
#

damn

#

the gif had a bad word?

hidden lake
#

apparently

mint orbit
#

Lots of experiments and knee jerk changes

hidden lake
#

No it was a gif I tried to post

mint orbit
#

Oh I'm dumb

lean shard
#

bro the teeth guy floating down is cring-

lucid glen
#

I'm convinced the guy hasn't watched or read any SW beyond the main movies and TCW

#

And he's like the biggest lore YTber there

hidden lake
#

EVEN IN THE MOVIES YOU HAVE VADER'S JUMP DURING THE BESPIN DUEL

#

He's got the memory of a fried trout

lean shard
#

ask him to summarize events in a novel and he pribably couldnt

fickle tide
lament peak
#

Woke gatekeepijg...

mint orbit
regal carbon
mint orbit
#

Are they your thoughts tho? They feel very on brand for the mob opinions and the defences don't scream true understanding of the subject

warped python
warped python
lucid glen
#

"They messed up Lucas' lore!"

#

"Acolyte writers have never seen SW!"

#

^ said by you

warped python
#

Because its online and confirmed by her twitter back in early june about the writer never seeing star wars... everyone knows that πŸ˜‚

hot parrot
#

she actually said to have watch TPM around 40times when she was young

lucid glen
#

Which implies you think the age change came as a result of her never watching SW

#

(which is insane)

warped python
#

well the rest of the season isnt finished so dont get to mad because the writer might make a comeback πŸ€·πŸ½β€β™‚οΈπŸ˜‚

lucid glen
#

Bro is talking to himself

warped python
#

that bit of inexperience does affect smaller details

lucid glen
#

No andor has shown that writers who don't give a fuck about SW can still make a good show

#

it's almost like experience with SW has no bearing on a show's quality

#

More so, the quality and calibre of the writer

warped python
#

well tell that to the people that dont like this show

hidden lake
#

Besides, fixing contradictions and keeping the lore intact is the jobs of the story group guys whatever tf they are named

lucid glen
#

Yeah and so far acolyte has introduced no continuity errors

#

(so far)

warped python
#

I find the show actually decent and these minor errors dont depict wether i dont like it i just point them out lol

hot parrot
#

i would be more worried about the sith extinction line than his age

lucid glen
#

Acolyte critics when I ask them to elaborate on why the show is bad

hidden lake
lucid glen
#

What sith extinction line

hidden lake
#

Ki Adi mundi is the one who says "But the Sith have been extinct for a millennium!" in TPM

hot parrot
hidden lake
#

So if Smiley is a sith specifically, the knowledge never reaches Coruscant

hot parrot
#

yeah, so we'll see

broken turret
#

You know it’s fucked when even SWE has to chime in

image0.jpg
lament peak
#

Mundi wasn't even there

#

People complaining about stuff that hasn't happened yet

lucid glen
#

Rip to a real one

hot parrot
#

Mundi lore

#

lmao

hidden lake
lament peak
#

Who tf cares about mundi

#

Like actually

hidden lake
#

The only thing people remember about him is the wookie attack memes

lucid glen
#

I felt a great disturbance in the viewership...as if millions of diehard Mundi fans suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terribly WOKE has happened

lament peak
#

Besides like stass allie and a few others he's probably the bottom 5 least popular prequel jedi

#

And lore nerds don't like him either because he's an asshole in legends

hidden lake
#

At least he showed up for landing at point rain

#

Probably his most important appearance

lament peak
#

I'm glad tcw gave alot of PT jedi their own episodes

warped python
# lucid glen Again what errors

I for one think that the acting is good and the quality is decent.. errors im talking about is for story telling-wise like how this episode was exceedingly dragged up until the end. these small talks about nothing and watching these guys ruck through a forrest doing nothing.. there was no excitement, it was just pure anticlimactic until we get a cliff hanger

#

Im just stuck on the fact that im hoping this show has a huge turn around because what could you have possibly done with 180 million and one of your episodes is under 30 minutes πŸ€·πŸ½β€β™‚οΈ

last rain
#

Yall know I love star wars

#

Like I enjoyed book of boba fett

#

Even though everyone hated it

#

But what the fuck is this show

broken turret
#

The Acolyte

#

Hope that answers your question πŸ™‚

last rain
mint orbit
mint orbit
last rain
#

:)

mint orbit
#

sigh

last rain
#

EVEN THE ACTING HAS ME IN A HOLD

mint orbit
#

It's not a mystery at all, you're just pre judging a show before it's finished

#

Confirmation bias does that

last rain
#

I pray it gets better

#

Bc jesus

mint orbit
last rain
#

Ur all for this flip from

#

β€œIm gonna kill you for becoming a jedi”

#

To β€œmy sister is alive! Im gonna go tell jedi what i know!”

#

That 180 out of nowhere kinda got to me

#

Let the woman kill the damn jedi, i wanted to see a fully trained wookie jedi fight

#

AND THEY KILL HIM OFF SCREEN

#

And the cliff hangar at the end before the fight was not it

mint orbit
#

Damn it's almost like they have to explain shit and build up mystery intrigue

#

Sure the cliffhanger was jarring, but does it matter if it pays off

last rain
#

I hope it pays off

mint orbit
last rain
#

Thats just my opinion though

#

Too inquisitory looky

mint orbit
#

That's a different point tbf

#

I think he looks like a knight of ren which is what I'd expect most outcast dark sider from high republic to look like tbh

last rain
#

Idk much about them so i cant say much abt that

mint orbit
#

It's just that vibe

last rain
#

The 180 thing still kinda like

#

Ugh

mint orbit
#

Bruv they've already established she does that

#

Multiple times

last rain
#

When

mint orbit
#

The fire... The bugs...

last rain
#

Let the woman be evil

mint orbit
#

She gives in to the dark side often is my current interpretation. Nobody taught her what voices to ignore

last rain
#

Has she not been getting honed by this mystery sith guy

#

Her β€œmaster”

mint orbit
#

Her evil sister got the witch mumbo jumbo done to her but not the jedi sister

#

Probably important

last rain
#

For 16 years

#

Yeah

mint orbit
#

We don't know how long tbh

#

I think

last rain
#

Which is why I want witch woman to stay evil

#

And jedi sister good

#

But now witch girl completely 180’d

#

After killing two jedi

#

I’ll laugh my ass off if she turns herself in and the jedi are just like β€œyou want us to let you off? You killed two jedi….”

mint orbit
#

That would be a bit boring ngl

#

No mystery in a mystery show all for a clichΓ© payoff

last rain
#

Im just not pleased so far with the 180 move

#

It doesnt do it for me

mint orbit
#

"I'm not pleased with the bare architecture of this house I'm going to live in"

#

Like obviously it's not a house yet..

last rain
#

As I said multiple times

#

I hope they fix it

#

And I hope it pays off

mint orbit
#

Doesn't sound like they can if this is your opinion already

last rain
#

But atm it just makes no sense

mint orbit
#

Same with the acolyte haters

last rain
#

And is so out of left field

lament peak
#

Gulp shitto

mint orbit
#

You are just constantly describing mystery genre tropes

#

These all happen commonly in mystery shows

#

It's ok if mystery isn't your thing

last rain
#

At least they are like intriguing

#

Like its not just super random

mint orbit
#

It has been building intrigue non stop. Each episode what we know changes entirely.

last rain
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Where ur making these characters then oop actually were just gonna change this one completely

mint orbit
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Omfg

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I give up

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Just enjoy hating it ig

last rain
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Im not?

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I have literally said

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I hope it gets better and I dont like hating on star wars

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Multiple times

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But u just wanna pick and choose what u read and try to argue with my opinion of not liking the writing

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Something else, so much dialogue seems forced

lucid glen
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What does forced mean πŸ’€ I thought the dialogue had been pretty natural lately

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More natural than the likes of ahsoka anyway

last rain
lucid glen
sour goblet
# last rain That 180 out of nowhere kinda got to me

i dont think it was that jarring. they were little kids when she made the threat, little kids don't always think about what they're saying. and ||i really dont think mae actually started that fire, which is why she blames the Jedi for what happened||. Regardless, tho, her actions were bc she loved her sister and didn't want to be separated. Now that shes older and knows her sister is alive, she decided to try to do what she could to be together again. Not that big a leap.

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Idk the dialogue feels like how people would actually talk to each other

hot parrot
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Attack me with all your cringe

lament peak
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Most star wars dialouge is super dramatic and stuff

lucid glen
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Mfw I ask acolyte critics to explain exactly what's wrong instead of making vague statements

last rain
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Sorry for not being a professional critic?

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And having an opinion?

lucid glen
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You're excused, don't do it again.

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lament peak
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So we all agree qimir is probably not the big bad right

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Its too obvious

mint orbit
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Jedi definitely started it because they thought the witches were abusing osha

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lucid glen
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God this reminds of this stupid ass penguinz0 video where he "critiques" acolyte for having boring and uninteresting characters to the point where he doesn't even remember their names....but namedrops qimir perfectly

sour goblet
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but since that one meditating jedi willingly took the poison as punishment, i think he knows the jedi did something bad

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last rain
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Especially for osha’s master

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Or however u spell her name

sour goblet
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its not about the jedi, its about being with Osha. Like she said to qimir "My sister being alive does change things"

mint orbit
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They clearly attack because they think something happened

lucid glen
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"And this accomplice guy, I think his name is....QIMIR..? I dunno all the characters are so boring and hard to remember" πŸ’€ buddy you nailed his name

lament peak
mint orbit
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Despite being able to defend acolyte

lament peak
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How do you not know qimir!

last rain
lament peak
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The most memorable character!

lucid glen
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Glup shitto

lament peak
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I forgot mace windu jr immediately after watching even though i thought he was the hottest character

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lament peak
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Or i guess jt would be mace windu sr

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Because he's older

sour goblet
mint orbit
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I remember jord because it's so easy to remember lol

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Jordan

last rain
lament peak
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Yeah i remember now

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Micheal Jordan

lucid glen
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Yord πŸ’€

mint orbit
lucid glen
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Yordan

last rain
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But atm it just seems random

warped python
last rain
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And out of the blue/ordinary

sour goblet
warped python
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people dont just always stay for the credits

lucid glen
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Nah I see Bell's point Mae's transition/betrayal happened in a flash, there was zero introspection

last rain
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If there were like

lament peak
last rain
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A secene or two before it

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Where shes thinking about it

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Instead of just randomly 180ing

lament peak
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She wanted to surrender to kelnacca so she could meet with the jedi

mint orbit
last rain
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I think thats the big thing, is that theyre just doing stuff and theres so much more we wanna learn beforehand. Like Im still not satisfied with the characters they just introduce with no explanation or backstory

warped python
mint orbit
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When a character in a mystery show acts weird and they don't talk about it for 2 episodes because they're hiding it... Is that bad writing?

last rain
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Like all the jedi, it makes it seem like theyre important

lucid glen
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It happened so quick and abruptly that I fully thought she was lying to get closer to the jedi so she could fucking STAB them

last rain
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But all i know is this guy knew osha and this girl is a padawan

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And the master were getting more of which is nice

lament peak
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I don't think she gaf about the jedi she just wants to reunite with osha

last rain
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But I just need more to it