#Stranger Things S5
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there was a huge “earthquake” that caused the military to set up a base for months and a big slimy spider monster is running around town and there’s a bunch of demos seen by a ton of people there’s totally nothing going on
They wouldn’t leave that many signs it’s obvious
They pay a LOT of attention to detail
Mike came up with that to literally cope with her death, if she was alive I’m sure we’d know
hopper should’ve accidentally killed eleven right there
that would’ve made it a lot more interesting
and steve shouldn’t have been caught by jonathan
It would’ve been interesting
My theory of Kali and el dying was correct, tho as a Steve fan I’m glad he didn’t die but it rlly did seem like they wanted to kill him
i’ve realized el never played dnd. but she lived it
YALL
KMG
THE EL ENDING ALMOST MADE ME CRY
BUT WHEN I FOUND OUT
SHE
WAS ALIVE
I WAS SO HAPPY
Well if you wanna think she is then yea
Yeah
Tho I can see why they killed her
I didn’t rlly understand it at first why but now it’s making a bit more sense
Yeah
They would keep experimenting on her
And no she’s actually alive because there wasn’t a way she could use her powers to get into Mike’s mind
There was, none of the sound things were pointing at her, they were all pointing at the truck
It’s even more unlikely for her to escape since if she walked through there, she would’ve been in the path of 4+ sound things
She’s just dead and the duffers knew there would be an outrage if it appeared flat out like that so they offered a choose your own ending
And that’s the ending I chose too believe
When I thought byler was finna be something after she died though
Girl please bffr
Will is not gonna hook up with his best friend after their best friend/girlfriend died
Let me have a little bit of fun jeez
GIRL ITS A TV SHOW
It’s not real
Byler is an imaginary ship created by the fans 😭 😭
And it’s fun too me
We’re in the channel to discuss it 👁️ 👄 👁️
Yes we are but I’m not taking it serious because ik it’s not reality but I’m glad we got to have this conversation talking about stranger things
didn’t know we had this thread
well yes
lol
that’s typically how shipping works
jancy bones byler bones mileven bones but stonathan lowkey winning
Yes but people made it seem like it was part of the show and that the characters were written like that when they in fact were not 😭
And too believe that uhh Joyce and hopper and Jonathan and Nancy are both engaged is happy and that giant ass creature they were fighting is crazy
to an extent i get where people are coming from
Jonathan and Nancy broke up?
i didn’t expect byler to happen because i didn’t really think the duffers would let it happen lol
Nope they are engaged
Since when?
but there was some points in the show that some fans felt was hinting and i kind of get their points
In the 7th episode Jonathan asked
When where? What??
I’ll send a clip
they are not 😭😭😭😭
no nancy and steve broke up i fear
Yeah likeeee
that scene in episode 7 was confusing as fuck but the duffers confirmed it was a breakup
If you’re talking about the table scene that was a breakup….
They both realized they needed to figure things out and their relationship was struggling immensely and was really only built off trauma that would be ending soon cause they were gonna die but they lived but didn’t get back together because they killed the mind flayer
And it was an unproposal and they threw the ring away
my favourite ship being bones ijbol
Yeah this is then breaking up 😭 😭
WHAT
DAMN
I DIDNT EVEN NOTICE IT WAS
lumax and jopper won tho so it’s whatever
Dw I didn’t either until someone told me
Damn that’s a shame but their relationship was always rocky
I was confused asf cause I was like what does an unproposal mean
jancy breakup scene had to happen so jonathan had time to figure out his bisexuality and move in with steve #BigBrain
Mainly cause it was built off trauma that kept coming back and somewhat reigniting the relationship but they realized they weren’t compatible long term
I didn’t even notice they said unpropsoal
I mean..
stonathan kind of being the winner of the love triangle #sure
Yeah the built up trauma they had built up together keeps coming hack to them and it’s hard to be in a relationship because of that
see i was talking to oomf and we both thought the unproposal thing happened because they thought they were gonna die
like when we both watched it we assumed he did the unproposal because they thought they were gonna die so they wouldn’t have the chance to get married. but no it was a shit ass breakup 😭😭😭😭😭
Same I thought they were cooked until that oobleck looking stuff got hard
so glad they didn’t kill nancy or jonathan i was so scared
2 of my favourite characters i would’ve just turned off the damn show
I THOUGHT STEVE WAS GONNA DIE WHEN HE FELL OFF
I NEARLY JUMPED UP
cuz they KNEW everyone was scared steve was gonna die for a long ass time
Right like that shit almost made me throw the remote at my tv
like ohhhhh my days
And I choose to believe eleven is Alive because she’s my favorite character
The thought of her dying makes me wanna scream
likeeee
fuck i hated that too
both her and kali dying felt so fucked man
the message being to end the cycle you gotta die like are you serious
2 abused girls never got to live their lives like i was mad lowkey
Exactly and I was hoping for her to make a return and just for her too die
Exactly like it’s sad
And too believe she was made by Vecnas blood too and that vecnas powers came legit from the upside down because it chose him
like why even bring her back bruh
also am i fucking stupid or like
did they ever address WHY it was will specifically that vecna needed
Because he saw will as weak and fragile and wanted to use him too make more like him so he can make a planet of his own in vecnas eyes
right right
And that’s fine but realistically she is dead
Idk why ppl thought that would happen 😭😭
I mean to be honest and sincere I saw the Kali death coming from a mile away
Who is byler
The eleven death tho? I was not 100% sure about it
I was shocked when she did it
But it makes sense as to why
true but like
still pissed me off
I can see why
What was jon wearing at the end there also Nancy dressed a lot older
Bringing a character back just to kill em in a few episodes is indeed a crazy decision
I believe robin implied they broke up
When they were on the roof with Steve and the others
Ok thats what I figured
It was Robin Steve Nancy jon
Yep
Yes exactly
them brining in eddie just to kill him 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
I mean the thing is
Eddies death was executed perfectly imo
robin and vickie breakup up ohhhhhhh my days
Kalis was very avoidable
gay people not winning and lesbians not winning either oh my days
Did we see the breakup
I thought being gay was a superpower
No robin implied it in the roof
gay people kind of winning cuz stonathan was kind of happening
Robin Steve Nancy jon
What is stonathan
the ship between steve and johnathan 😭😭😭😭😭😭
Oh
Gotta be one of the dumbest ones I’ve heard
Anyways
it’s funny as fuck i’m kind of here for it
shipping something just because i think it’s kind of funny
I told you again I guess idk
Ok
real shit i wish there was an alternative ending where vecna merges worlds
I wonder what that would look like
Tbh
I rlly want a what if vecna joined the gang in defeating the mind flayer
How would that have played out.. how would el have taken it? The rest of them..
And would Henry end up dying as a “sacrifice”?
Joyce chopping off his head was gnarly
can someone make the joyce you fucked with the wrong family a gif already
Real
Elevens death might be fake
In her “actual” death she has no tattoo
So either the duffers forgot or the illusion was real and Kali left it out hoping someone would notice
I think she’s alive.. there’s a LOT and the duffers love to hide a ton of small details
- The sonic machines were pointed at her but she still used her powers to pull Mike into her void
- She wasn’t phased by the sonic at all she could move and talk and stand there normally
- Her nose didn’t bleed after pulling Mike in
- Her hand flickered like kali’s illusions do
- She didn’t have a 011 tattoo
- She told Mike “he’ll understand later” she faked her death and ran off far to protect the group from the military
- Kali faked her death in front of hopper so he wouldn’t suspect el still being alive
- How did she enter the portal without the military seeing her she was in the truck and then she suddenly appeared in the portal
- The song that played while she died is the same song that played when will “died” in s1 and hopper “died” in s3
The sonic machines weren't pointing at her they were all facing the truck. Her hand flickered only in Mikes story and all the other stuff is like part of Mikes story. You can see Eleven running from the truck to the portal, she actually slipped by them
where do we see her running.. and how would she just casually run past 100+ military in front of their eyes with nobody catching on
When they get everyone outta the truck
Lmao they literally grabbed her too
they destroyed the upside down while charli xcx was still performing 💔
Explain the nose bleed though she didn’t have one
@nocturne token does this kinda change things?
I believe El is alive
the duffer brothers try not to piss me off challenge
“i guess.”
LIKE BRO THIS IS YOUR SHOW
That doesn’t rlly answer why the crew didn’t get some consequences for killing govt/military officials
And we not talking 1 we talking various of ppl
exactly
Like ik the show is supposed to be far from realism
But smth about that would’ve been nice
She’s learned to manage her powers I mean she threw a boulder at the mind flayer
That is true she has gotten better at using them
That’s the thing, all of the kryptonite was pointing at the truck and I think there were actually around 7 pointing so idk if they were even activated cause 1 has eleven on the ground and yet 7 were there and she managed to run
It’s not clear at all
My guess is they weren’t on tbh
I feel like if they were, we would’ve heard it no?
But even in Elevens alternate story we see her struggle to get to the tunnels
So at least one was on
And then I think in a flashback Mike has we hear them on
Hmmm
So then is she alive truly?
I don’t like how they left it like that tbh.. like it’s either she’s dead or she’s not
Can’t be both
Yeah
Part of me tells me they did this to avoid backlash that they killed the most beloved main character
That’s exactly what I think too
I mean one important thing is she has no tattoo
Even in her actual death scene before mikes vision
It’s not visible in her wrist at all, not even like a little smudge
Like ik this isn’t a thread about squid game but in the series finale, they killed off the main character for good and they got a ton of backlash but it was for good reason, idk why the duffers couldn’t just decide one fate if the show ends there
Yea that to
So either they got rid of it somehow or the duffers forgot to put it on Millie 🙈
It made sense though tbh
But killing eleven just seemed unfair
She deserves better
Smth ppl are saying is that kalis death is partially an illusion and that while hopper was gone 8 and 11 talked about a plan where 11 makes it out alive just not with the crew
She didn’t ask to be put in that life and it was somewhat over now but she decided to still die anyways
I don’t buy it because she already lost a ton of blood
Exactly
Even if her getting shot was an illusion they still touched Kali
Here’s where it gets tricky
I cried, it was prob one the scenes that rlly got me, like I rlly wish we knew whether she’s alive or dead. It won’t change whether they defeated vecna or not
Kali could’ve made the illusion when the bomb went off to make it look like she did get shot and cloaked the entire room so that when eleven saw it she would also be hidden by the illusion
And then Kali would’ve told the plan
My other plot hole is how could she have traveled from Hawkins to wherever she ended up
But in mikes alternate ending Eleven was still with Kali and Kali was bleeding out even when she made the MACZ eleven illusion
Hmmmm
So I don’t think Kali faked her death with illusions I think she did get shot in both endings
But what doesn’t make sense is her living
You saw how much blood got soaked in and pooled up
The amount of time that passed she would’ve bled out to death
And if she dies there’s no illusion
She would’ve had to live another hour at least from her death to eleven getting to the MACZ
And when she sat up I feel like all the blood would’ve drained from the upper half of her body and out the wound
Exactly
And then she somehow has to keep an illusion going for like 2-3 minutes
While blood drains from her brain
Yeah
Exactly
Unless the duffers are putting on some crazy ass plot armor for Kali she def died before they even got back from the abyss
Now I know it’s filmed in Iceland but maybe its not Iceland and it’s like Canada or smth
Yup
Yea but I feel like some type of govt official would’ve noticed her
No matter where she went or how she got there
Unless she just hides out in some deep woods
Which obviously didn’t happen
Yeah idk
Idk tbh, now that I think of it I find it kinda annoying/disappointing they just threw us 2 endings for one character bc they didn’t wanna handle possible backlash
And both endings don’t make sense whatsoever 😭
They don’t bc they both have plot holes
And they just tell us to interpret it how we want to
Like wdymmmm this is your showwww if you were able to give us a definitive ending for every single other character then you should give us a definitive ending for the most important main character
Yeah 😭
I wanna see the table reads to see the casts reactions
I wonder if the table reads will reveal smth
Although from the interviews that are coming out it looks like they wanna lean in on the fact that she still is alive
Yeah
I can imagine Millie screaming no
And crying probably
Most def
I kinda knew eleven was gonna die in some way because there was an interview of her and Noah I believe and they get asked if they’re happy with their characters endings and she didn’t respond and then they asked her specifically and she like looks like she’s about to cry and hesitates and says yeah in the most unconvincing way
I mean even she said she saw her characters ending on some board and was like ohhhhhh about it
Honestly we need an interview with Millie where she interprets and gives her thoughts on her characters ending and what it rlly was
Yeah
They were supposed to watch the finale together the entire cast
But she didn’t attend bc of an injury from what I read
So that’s prob why if I had to guess
Although I guess cause it is the new years but it felt like they prerecorded some the interviews or smth but ig not this time or they never did idk
the duffer brothers left her ending ambiguous because they wanted SOMEONE to die (who better than the main character) but they wanted the potential to bring back their cash cow in the future, and this way they don’t have to make a plot hole
All ik is that we need an interview with her, cause the duffers at this point ain’t gonna give us a definitive
I mean to me it shows more than that
To me it rlly shows that they were most def scared of some backlash
Like if this is the end like you say it is then give each character a definitive ending
No need to be scared of the backlash, as long as the death is reasonable and makes sense who gaf what ppl think
Yeah
Btw I’ve always been confused by this
Who is the main character
Is it Will and eleven
I feel like Will is the main character but Eleven is like the lead if that makes sense
Yeah
i feel like mike and eleven were the main characters
there’s a reason the show ends with mike closing the door and looking back at the new party
he’s like a self insert
Makes sense
She was in the upside-down
I want season 6 :(
i want el back
i want ppl to acknowledge lucas carried max through a whole hospital and never stopped playing the song because he didnt want to give up hope 😭
out of the whole cast, my fav was the only one to die i hate it here
best bf award goes to lucas sinclair
i think people don’t understand that dustin’s anger is not just a result of eddie dying. it’s him being scared to lose more people, especially steve, which is why he was pushing him away.
like he’s just a kid and he’s been through so much
and steve was always attempting to be the hero, potentially sacrificing himself
also he’s still a teenager
overall, his characterization of grief (anger) was really well written
it’s hard to understand grief if you’ve never been through it. it isn’t linear, and it doesn’t present itself the same for everyone.
like dustin’s best friend was murdered in front of him, and the entire town believed he was the second coming of christ
my best friend died when i was 16 and like yeah but also u rlly dont have to do all that
my mom died when i was 15 and i pushed everyone away.
which is stupid like anyone can agree, it never helps
i can’t imagine having my mom bitten to death in front of me
the process of grieving isn’t stupid. it’s a process that everyone goes through differently
im currently grieving right now and im making sure not to push anyone away. i might be older now but even when i was a kid i knew theres no point in hurting others when youre hurting
at the time it helped me
we have fight or flight instincts during grieving as well
the person wouldve wanted you to be better, and hurting others and yourself because theyre gone isnt honoring their legacy
honor what they would have wanted for you
again, you don’t choose how you grieve. what the person wanted does not necessarily count towards the grieving process
this is what my therapist told me
and those around you tend to understand that
imo, ive grieved a lot of different people, and you can choose how you grieve. like my dad died a week ago. i felt myself have to decide to push everyone away or accept the fact that its awful but theres no point in hurting more. im choosing to move on, and choosing to believe that theres nothing i could have done. so imo, you can choose how you grieve
You may be able to choose how you grieve, but a lot of people can’t
Grieving is a process that isn’t linear, like I said.
Anger is a part of that process
And it is a healthy part of that process
everyone ive met that ive had this discussion with has figured it out. i agree that its hard, and its awful, but sometimes you need to tough it out and get through it. anger is a part of that process, but specifically relating to the show, he had 18 months, and anger is the 3rd stage of grief.
Any therapist will tell you that the “stages” of grief are a myth
The “stages” can occur at any point and aren’t linear
they can also coincide
my therapist said it may be not exactly like that, but that is the natural pattern of feelings
anger is also a secondary emotion, so it shouldnt be what you act on
Also, 18 months to grieve while you are in an apocalypse situation is not the same
fair but like i said, he has the right to be sad, he doesnt have the right to treat everyone in his life like shit
what youre going through isnt an excuse to take it out on others who did nothing wrong
Every character in stranger things has at one point or time taken their grief out on another person, especially since they are just kids. They are only human.
im just saying theres never an excuse to do it. its understandable, but its not okay
We as humans understand that grief, and we understand that the anger is not directed necessarily at them, but just a part of their grief. Steve understood that in the scene, and let Dustin grieve. They worked it out together and got to the root
like i said u can understand it and acknowledge that its not okay
IMO, I feel it’s a lack of empathy to not understand when someone’s anger comes from their grief
again, you can UNDERSTAND AND ACKNOWLEDGE ITS NOT OKAY
all caps was unnecesary mb
just wanted to say that again
I mean I’m sure Dustin realized that after the fact, but to hate the character for his irrationality during his grieving process shows a profound lack of nuance to the situation— the situation being that he’s a 16 year old who has been through several situations that no kid should have to be through— lost his best friend, only for people to beat on him for honoring his friend and call him a satanist, only to be thrown into another apocalyptic situation in which his father figure is thrusting himself back into the sacrificial position. Obviously he would be angry.
i never said i hate him gang 🥀 i said i relate cuz i went through a similar thing at a similar age, and i said i understand but its not okay
he apologized for it cuz the character also knew it wasnt okay
I was more so talking about other people’s stances in the thread.
Obviously it’s okay to have an opinion on a character
But I was just pointing out why that stance (hating a character for being annoying for grieving) might have some lack of nuance
Steve dealt with the situation like a champ.
wait i’m kinda mad we didn’t get a keith cameo for the last season
Would yall believe me if I said that Kali's actor is older than Eddie's, Nancy's, Jonathon's, and Robin's?
If you click the full images you can see their ages
This interview is kinda old and I saw it and knew smth bad was gonna happen to Eleven 😭
I figured she was either gonna die or had to go away
btw it's interesting how max still graduated the same year even despite being in a coma
for how long was it?
year and a half
She probably done extra stuff after school and whatnot to make up those credits to graduate in time, they proably had a program for kids like that. My school i went to sort of had a system like that
So apparently rumor has it that Millie is the only person aside from the duffers who knows elevens true fate/ending
Not sure how true that is
But if it’s true then that is rlly stupid lowk.
im so mad we didnt get a suzie cameo 😭😭
Well I don’t think they would be that much of an asshole to do that after she was in a coma for like 2 years had every bone broken and everything that’s been going on in Hawkins
Besides the time jump from losing El to graduation was 18 months, I’m sure she managed to strike a deal and do multiple classes at once
There’s a lot of made up rumors right now because people are trying to fit their narrative
I highly doubt it though since she didn’t see happy with her ending so that either implies she’s happy that her true ending is eleven dying or her true ending is eleven being separated from the group
👆 she doesn’t seem happy
Karen didn’t have scars in the final scene 💀
She has them at graduation but then they disappear when she calls the kids up
So basically cope?
Yeah
They’re tryna say there’s a bonus episode
Likeeee it’s the finale of the biggest shows 😭
They’re not gonna make a bonus episode that changes that after people have already seen what is known as the finale
That to
Like bruh, y’all know THIS SHIT AINT happening
😭
STRANGER THINGS BTS DOCUMENTARY
January 12th
This why people thought we were getting another episode, its just bts footage
Omg
So did you guys like season 5
vol 1 was amazing, vol 2 was a snoozefest.. finale was decent but has a lot of loopholes
Yes I did
That’s actually funny a lot of ppl say s1-3 were the best and that after that it’s where it took a huge dip
Which I completely disagree with
uhh no
This just showed up on my timeline lol
They’re saying a new secret episode with the real ending will come out 😭
They predicted the date but were wrong about the content. They kept saying today we would get the episode but instead we got the documentary
The fan base trying to cope in some of the hardest ways I’ve ever seen
The date is wrong too, wasnt it projected the 7th?
I never thought it took a dip, I just didn't really care for season 3 and I havnt fully understood yet why
Oh lol you’re right I thought it was the 7th 💀
Turns out it was the 5th
I mean the doc release is the 12th
Yeah but people were saying the 7th and I thought yesterday was the 7th 💀
Oh lmaoo 😭
So uh back to this
This is confirmed by the duffers
The rumors are true she indeed does know and so do they
Which I think imo adds more fuel to the fire
Their reasoning for not telling ppl wasn’t a strong one either
What doc
So there is a true ending and it’s not “I believe”? 😭 that makes me think she’s definitely dead because of this interview
👆
Either she was unhappy that it wasn’t a true ending or that eleven dies
Or she was just acting lol
But idk cause Sadie said she was extremely happy with her ending before she was even revealed in the show I believe
Bts documentary
Yes there is a true ending
And they seem to have no intentions on saying anything about it or revealing it
Sooo theres a 9th episode?
No
I also dont believe that just wondering
Nope
As the biggest rep tv clown too, we are not getting it
you’re not a big enough rep tv clown
we could also get rep tv tonight
with the vault tracks used in episode 9
And the chances of an ep 9 are as high as getting the reputation album re recorded (not the vault)
they both could happen tonight you never know
I just wonder where did oeople even get these theories?
They couldn’t accept the ending was mid
Helpp i also saw that
El is getting married to Mike
In Netflix’s
What’s next for 2026
and she says
“this year you will question everything”
they’re like taylornation they love feeding our delusions
It was Enola Holmes
who
conformity gate tonight??
Girl it’s the 8th
Girl
im the biggest rep tv clown what did you expect
i clowned every night of the eras tour
🌚
wills coming out speech being longer than the actual final fight scene 🥀
@tender basin I actually never got your opinion on the stranger things ending how did you like it
HELLO
uh it was... okay, i think they played it way too safe and it just didn't feel satisfying, so many plotholes, so many unresolved things, i'm not super happy with it and think it could've been better
Understandable it was kinda || ass || imo and the fact they tried too kill my favorite character (eleven) makes me hate them even more
she deserved to live
they were so unrealistic about so many things
there's no way they couldn't pull some strings to keep her alive
Exactly like send her away out of Hawkins that’s the only place they would look too find her and if they kept her hidden from them for months they can do it again
just make her powers be gone or smth i guess
They wrote those long episodes they can definitely write how she lost her powers like they did in season 4
i know a conformity gater when i see one
Hang in there bros... just a few more hours
I can’t wait
In my mirror sometimes I act like I’m eleven moving shit with my mind
But my psychic powers never worked that way I can only predict the future that’s boring
Real
Conformity gate with drop along with rep tv mark my words
The show ends in 1989
So baby taylor will make an appearance in episode 9
and the rep tv vault will play
Real, about every fan rn for conformity gate 😭
(Not me, I dont belive in ep 9)
I asked my coworker if she was watching the behind the scenes documentary and she said no because she was pissed there was no secret episode 
I watched the ending again and I just cried
Me too
I THREW A BOULDER AT THE MIND FLAYER BITCH
Byler might not exist gut foah does
oh
Autocorrect turning against me
well.. finn is cool, noah is….
Yeah
They nerfed eleven for will it’s so stupid
Right like they bullshitting
@keen quest are we ever finna close this thread