Grammys 2025 Discussion

[teal oriole]

OUT OF TOPIC BUT MOMMY

SORRY

MOMMY

??

[twilit mica]

AND TAYLOR N GRACIE DIDNT EVEN WIN WITH US

RIGGED

RIGGED

[teal oriole]

IKR

ROBBED

ALOT

[digital snow]

Well

[earnest badger]

Imo Sabrina deserved it. The music is sm better, theres a severe lack of filler and its so catchy

[fallow moth]

Brat was good

[grizzled kiln]

Listen to Ya Ya, Leviis Jeans. Ii hands to heaven, ii most wanted, American requiem, and sweet honey buckin ya'll

[rotund wedge]

WE ARE ALL IN AN AGREEMENT THAT ROTY, SOTY AND AOTY DID NOT GO TO THE PEOPLE WHO DESERVED IT

[earnest badger]

yup

[fallow moth]

The impact she made was insane, she showed us a whole new side of herself but wtf did Beyonce do

Nothing

[earnest badger]

FR

[twilit mica]

YES.

[earnest badger]

And im glad charli won dance/electrical album

[twilit mica]

sabrina deserved the ones she won

[devout sequoia]

omg im mad

[earnest badger]

but imo i wanted troye to win dance pop song

[twilit mica]

wee cutie she is

[fallow moth]

Should have won aoty

[grizzled kiln]

That is literally the most delusional thing I've ever heard. You do know Us was only nominated so that Taylor could get a nomination without Post Malone being nominated in the same category twice, right?

[digital snow]

TTPD had a huge impact aka 1 on the charts for months

[oblique sparrow]

I hate this fuckass event

[earnest badger]

guys

[rotund wedge]

Die with a smile was better than us

[earnest badger]

the recording academy are kanye apologists, THAT explains it

[oblique sparrow]

We know that

[bitter remnant]

hmmmmmmmm....

cowboy carter aoty is a choice

[rotund wedge]

Good

[oblique sparrow]

Part of me wanted Us to win just so Taylor could get an award but I knew full well that die with a smile should and will win because its a good song

[twilit mica]

guys i don’t see any rep announcement on ig WHERE IS IT 😭😭😒😒😒😔😔😔😔😔😔

[tender osprey]

One of the other albums should have gotten it

[earnest badger]

the fact Midnights won AOTY and TTPD didnt....

[twilit mica]

I have hope

[digital snow]

I blame coldhouse flower

[tender osprey]

I have news for u

[sweet hamlet]

did kanye won tho?

[pastel dragon]

It would be lame if she announced it rn

[grizzled kiln]

Rep tv realistically should be announced soon

[oblique sparrow]

Is this Midnights shade

[earnest badger]

no

no

[lost nymph]

you can win tons of awards when you have 💰

[oblique sparrow]

Ok

Lol

[tender osprey]

Nope. If fact he got kicked out

[twilit mica]

guys we’re never getting it

[oblique sparrow]

Wait did he??

[minor totem]

im so disappointed

[pastel dragon]

😂 I’m not surprised

[oblique sparrow]

Like deadass?

[digital snow]

The wife was naked

[jolly stratus]

Who’s all???

[oblique sparrow]

WAIT WHAT?

[earnest badger]

just ttpd is better structured, when midnights is good mind you i just think that TTPDis sonically cohesive and is just in all categories a better album

[digital snow]

Yep went to the Grammys literally naked

[jolly stratus]

Yall need to get a grip

[tender osprey]

His wife didn't have an outfit

[rotund wedge]

The entire world

[earnest badger]

the fact it lost to cowboy carter is despicable

[jolly stratus]

Well exclude me honey

[earnest badger]

i am not thanking beyonce

[pastel dragon]

Exactly!!!!!

[earnest badger]

beyonce try me

[rotund wedge]

So why are you her then

[oblique sparrow]

What the fuck is wrong with Kanye???????????

Did he drug her or some shit??

[jolly stratus]

Bc I can be???

[keen aurora]

ttpd was snubbed :(

[digital snow]

Look DMs

[final spade]

YES

[rotund wedge]

You are just wrong. Billie deserved it.

[rotund wedge]

Anyone who disagrees probably got paid to say they disagree

[jolly stratus]

Yall need to understand that just bc your fav artist doesn’t win at all doesn’t mean they were robbed. In reality submitting fortnight as soty was a bad idea, and there were other songs that could’ve been submitted. If you can’t handle your fav artist not winning smth for once then maybe award shows like the Grammys ain’t for you to watch. Get a grip.

[onyx yacht]

LmAOOOOOOOOO

[rotund wedge]

Billie isn’t my favourite artist

[jolly stratus]

This is the stupidest shit I seen all day

[rotund wedge]

Billie DESERVED a clean sweep

[earnest badger]

charli and sabrina had a bigger impact.

[rotund wedge]

The stupidest shit is Kendrick and Beyoncé winning.

[velvet laurel]

Billie may not be my favourite artist but her win for aoty was so fucking deserved

[final spade]

frr

[onyx yacht]

Chappell ROBBED.
Sabrina ROBBED.

WHY IS NOBODY TALKING ABOUT THEM.

[rotund wedge]

Billie was above them both

[onyx yacht]

EXACTLY

[earnest badger]

in my eyes if brat won aoty it was a win, brat summer n all, and it wouldve been a win for billie too

[earnest badger]

who paid you for that opinion?

[rotund wedge]

Chappell got the main award everyone wanted and expected

[twilit mica]

cuz they both won something

[onyx yacht]

Yes but she deserved the AOTY too. Or maybe Sabrina

[rotund wedge]

No one. Because it’s just true. Billie produced a MASTERPIECE

[jolly stratus]

Thinking that someone got paid to speak their own opinion is flat out stupidity. And if you can’t handle a loss then get off the screen and stop watching award shows. Bc ppl like you just create a toxic environment. Either you have smth nice to say or shut up.

[onyx yacht]

That shant decide If they win AOTY or not

[earnest badger]

sabrina got pop vocal album, she deserved it

[rotund wedge]

It was between Sabrina and Billie for aoty

[rotund wedge]

Nah. This was rigged as fuck

[earnest badger]

as did charli taylor and ari.

[onyx yacht]

I knew it then itself than she ain't winning aoty cause why would they give her THREE Non small category AOTY awards + AOTY? not possible when u are a first time grammy winner.

[onyx yacht]

Kinda agree

[rotund wedge]

Taylor made TTPD for us, Ariana just released hers in the wrong year :( and charli did deserve some awards but mot aoty

[onyx yacht]

The real AOTY is Eternal Sunshine but nobody is ready fir the convo cuz the grammys fend her off by not even nominating her as they hate ari

[velvet laurel]

Honestly I'm just mad because an album that did not deserve it won aoty , I strictly believe in seperating the art from the artist and imo Hmhas was way better than Cowboy Carter

[onyx yacht]

No ari is always snubbed cuz they hate her

[rotund wedge]

I love her tho :(

[jolly stratus]

I’ve been seeing this a lot lately, context?

[onyx yacht]

EXACTLY "AN ALBUM THAT DID NOT DESERVE IT WON"

[earnest badger]

i lowkey knew taylor wasnt winning aoty or soty, kendrick shouldve only been nomnated in rap and imo a disstrack thats as clear as not like us to who its directed to shouldnt even be considered.

[teal oriole]

🧍 I THINK THE VOTERS OF GRAMMYS VOTED BEYONCE CUZ SHE WAS POPULAR THESE DAYS FOR THANK BEYONCE BUT NOT DEPNDS ON THE ALBUM

[sour pebble]

Cowboy Carter deserved it imo 🤷‍♀️ I thought it was such a good album

[rotund wedge]

I’m not upset about taylor, I was expecting 1 at the maximum or even 0. But he somehow got all the ones I was expecting she had the chance for

[onyx yacht]

They called her late ex boyfriend's parents to the grammies for a posthumous nomination. They ended up not even giving him the award. Ari said "fuck the grammys" in one of her performances in 2019 (the bf thing was in 2018 I think)

[teal oriole]

ME WHEN I LIE

[keen relic]

THE GRAMMYS IS SO RIGGED TAYLOR AND BILLIE AND DIDN'T EVE WON

[onyx yacht]

Since then the grammys have always hated her and snubbed her on the face MULTIPLE TIMES.

[jolly stratus]

That’s insane

[onyx yacht]

Exactly.

[bitter remnant]

i find it weird billie won nothing

[velvet laurel]

yes no hate to beyonce but quite frankly I did not like Cowboy Carter as much as I did SnS or Hmhas or even brat

[west tiger]

@nocturne bolt @honest pulsar quick question, will our roles be removed on Tuesday?

[fading venture]

Im crying

[onyx yacht]

Legit true. If a beyonce album deserved the AOTY, it should've been Lemonade or Renaissance.

[fading venture]

#fuckgramnys

[bitter remnant]

im so happy i didn't stay up for this shit

[rotund wedge]

I’m making it clear even though Taylor is my flat out favourite, that billie and Sabrina deserved those awards. I’m gonna go and ugly cry and stuff my face with ice cream and have a mid life crisis

[fading venture]

#grammysadwardsisoverparty

[nocturne bolt]

i believe so, they won't be necessary

[west tiger]

They will

I said remember this moment

[jolly stratus]

Awww it would’ve been a nice lil thing to have but that’s ok

[keen relic]

fuck grammys, she should've won the album of the year , but beyonce deserve it

[west tiger]

Fuck Grammys they are dumb bitches who can’t even let Ariana get big awards now

[keen relic]

ik

[honest pulsar]

i’ll never take my ability to listen to my own music over ads again 🙏🙏🙏

[onyx yacht]

This might be either of these 3 things:

1. them awarding CC cause of pop vote splitting leading to Beyonce getting more votes (country + her pop votes)
2. them awarding beyonce to correct their mistake of not awarding beyonce previously an AOTY and always snubbing her. Basically they wanted to probably fend off racist allegations.
3. Jay z paid for it

[west tiger]

Will the role be removed? Pls say no

[fading venture]

Fuck grammys

[honest pulsar]

On Tuesday

[fading venture]

Grammys are shit

[tacit oak]

If jay z paid for it she would’ve been won by now…

This isn’t even a believable theory

[west tiger]

Why

[tacit oak]

😭😭😭

[onyx yacht]

True but maybe cause she was always snubbed he paid for it now. Idk. Just saying

[tacit oak]

The fact she struggled winning disproves that entirely tbh

[west tiger]

Removing it isn’t necessary

[honest pulsar]

It was only meant to be temporary, for the pings in #grammys-announcements

[onyx yacht]

Ok but the first 2 maybe yes

It's either the 1st or the 2nd theory

[fading venture]

Literally as soon as they said that I turned off the TV and said "I'm not going to watch this fucking shit anymore"

[west tiger]

“I said remember this moment”

[bronze knot]

just a reminder that everyone who was nominated for tonight ALL deserved to win. not just one person 🩷

[fading venture]

I love Beyoncé and I'm in the Beyhive since 2012 But... Just

[sweet hamlet]

https://x.com/HuffleBoy/status/1886273270338506920

Chris (@HuffleBoy) on X

Y'all aren't going to want to hear this, but Taylor wasn't getting a lot of applause when her nominations came up. I think the Taylor fatigue is still set in and very real.

X · Feb 3, 2025, 4:39 AM

[bronze knot]

or it’s just that ttpd was not a grammy album

[keen relic]

not like us does not deserve soty, roty, best music video

[fading venture]

I feel like TS12 will get us back from everything

[bronze knot]

all nominations deserve it

[sweet hamlet]

I would agree to be fair. i think it's just more like a let it out album.

[fading venture]

This festival of negativity will end and bring more lively rhythms

[bronze knot]

exactly, a lot of swifties don’t understand that

[marsh prairie]

They not like us they not like us

[fading venture]

I'm afraid TS12 is going to suffer from midnights syndrome

[echo sleet]

Honestly kendrick kinda deserved it in my opinion, it's Def easier to explain why he got it

[marsh prairie]

anyway Cowboy Carter didn’t deserve it but it deserved it more than ttpd

[sweet hamlet]

I agree like I hope Taylor will push herself more on TS12 but remember that she has a movie to work on.

[empty viper]

there's no way i just woke up from my nap

COWBOY CARTER???

[bronze knot]

yep! interested to see if we hear more about it this year

[teal oriole]

FIRST OF ALL i dont mean to disrespect but isnt an album supposed to be everyone's fav when it comes to the title album of the year cuz look i know there are alot of beyonce fans out there but i dont think cow boy carter whayever is that much popular around people to be an album of 2024 i dont blame if its brat cuz it has alot of influences on people like games , social media , dances but not cowboycarter??

[echo sleet]

Honestly, I didn't listened to it - never got "attracted" to hear it. Maybe I'll do on a morning

[empty viper]

over ttpd and hmhas😔 like yeah cowboy carter was good but it definitely doesn't beat ttpd and hmhas

[fading venture]

Okay guys, I'll just say one thing, next year everyone is going to tell the Grammys to go to hell and there won't be many nominees.

[sour pebble]

beyonce literally the first black woman to win AOTY since Lauryn Hill…even if you didn’t like CC, that’s a big deal!!!

[marsh prairie]

Short N Sweet or Chapell Roan should’ve won 🤷‍♂️

[devout sequoia]

the grammys are rigged atop bro

atp

[fading venture]

Um

Chill

Anyway so

[devout sequoia]

it is tho?

[marsh prairie]

Not Like Us winning four Grammys is iconic

[devout sequoia]

not like us shouldnt have gotten 2 awards,

[devout sequoia]

4?

[fading venture]

Why the Taylor fatigue? I literally heard more applause than anything at her nominations

[devout sequoia]

4?

[marsh prairie]

yes

[echo sleet]

Short n sweet honestly is not that good album too (in my opinion, i just dont like it) - I would say Chapell or billie

[devout sequoia]

WHATT

[sudden mural]

is reputation back on Spotify?

[marsh prairie]

roty, best music video, best rap performance, and best rap song

[devout sequoia]

and song of the year too

[echo sleet]

Also if we are speaking about applause, you could hear the applause for record of the year for Kendrick (it was very loud).

Like he just deserved it imo

[sweet hamlet]

Yep that. Let's not forget The Era Tour movie ft. ttpd and some Probably more on appearances elsewhere too.

[marsh prairie]

Is that not roty

[echo sleet]

It's back for a while now

[bronze knot]

ttpd was never gunna win

[devout sequoia]

no'

roty and soty are diff

[empty viper]

hey a girl can dream 💔

[devout sequoia]

i think record is the like production or something and song is lyrics??? idxk

[sudden mural]

that makes no sense tbh I have never been left more confused

[turbid latch]

Why did she wear red??

[wheat turret]

im so pissed off

[devout sequoia]

me too

[wheat turret]

how did hmhas not win

[echo sleet]

Not this year Def, next one too bc with just the weeknd and lady gaga it's going to be hard year for grammys too.

[marsh prairie]

Oh

[wheat turret]

jayz cashing his checks

[marsh prairie]

Scratch that, Not Like Us got 5 Grammys

[turbid latch]

And beyonce 🤡🤡

[echo sleet]

Not 4?

[empty viper]

no fucking way

[echo sleet]

Let me check one sec

[bronze knot]

kendrick deserves all grammy he got tonight

[turbid latch]

Not like us Deserved tho

[turbid latch]

Real

[marsh prairie]

Song of the Year, Record of the Year, Best Music Video, Best Rap Song, and Best Rap Performance

[wheat turret]

not like us did not deserve soty speaking my truth it deserved roty but someone else should’ve gotten soty

[bronze knot]

oh well

[sonic thicket]

let's be fr kendrick deserved NOT 5

[empty viper]

i would send this if my nitro didn't expire yesterday

[echo sleet]

I agree, and most of the people didn't expected him winning that

You can clearly know about it by just listening to applause

[teal oriole]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/946154094656114768/1332737848893509804/image0.gif

[turbid latch]

He deserved everything he got

[echo sleet]

If we would only look at how much the song blew up then I agree, but it should be just it...

[marsh prairie]

Full denim suit goes hard

[turbid latch]

You sound like a hater

[marsh prairie]

Image does undeniably hard

[jolly stratus]

goat!

[marsh prairie]

who’s ready for more Grammys for GNX next year

[echo sleet]

No, I'm not.

[viral marten]

billie and taylor got robbed and that's all I'm gonna say. anyways here some photos of taylor!!

[eager turtle]

Goodnight chat

[marsh prairie]

Chromakopia and GNX already locked in

[fading venture]

My beautiful girles

[final spade]

My shaylaa

[rough idol]

not like us sweep

Taylor and Billie deserved something 😭

[sharp crescent]

I cant believe we lost

[gloomy wing]

I have my life ppl

Hate**

[charred isle]

Who's depressed?

[wet meteor]

This are my predictions results
I ended with 15-12 so I can say I was kinda right?

[vernal zinc]

Queen bey WONN

[light marlin]

Guys wtf just happened?

TTPD lost!!

Remember what happened with reputation?

It happened again!!

[spring iron]

Jay Z pitched a bitch fit last year, got his wife to win this year.

GGs bro.

[pearl blaze]

this is so embarrassing oh my .. only 9 shows 😭😭

[west tiger]

That’s her way of saying thank you?

AND

[pearl blaze]

I guess so...

[west tiger]

SHES NOT EVEN GOING OUTSUDE OF US

FUCK THAT

[pearl blaze]

cuz no one knows her outside of the US

[west tiger]

…

Okay bye-

That’s like saying no one knows Ariana grande, Taylor swift or Cher outside of the US

[pearl blaze]

either way she fell off ages ago

[onyx yacht]

That's an insane take.

[jolly topaz]

she is, London and Paris

which I mean for a tour with literally 9 shows isn't that bad

[bitter remnant]

london and paris are suddenly in the US

[onyx yacht]

Everything that happened with taylor's last heartbreak album, has happened again to TTPD

[jolly topaz]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London,_Arkansas and https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris,_Illinois

definitely not their UK and French counterparts

[onyx yacht]

#FuckTheGrammys

[pearl blaze]

real

if ttpd didn't win it should've been hmhas or short n sweet

but ttpd is my aoty

[onyx yacht]

Or midwest princess

[onyx yacht]

Same

AOTY to CC is WILDDDDD

[jolly topaz]

not the worst choice, at least

[onyx yacht]

Agreed lol

The worst choice would've been BRAT 😂

[onyx yacht]

Or worse, Andre 3000

[jolly topaz]

or Jacob Collier

[onyx yacht]

Lmao

😭 I don't get how these Khia albums got a nom

It's insane

[pearl blaze]

honestly im just happy brat didn't win

[onyx yacht]

Same here

That was my worst nightmare

[eternal blaze]

What awards did Taylor win? Or did she not get anything bc I saw a tiktok saying she won nothing

[shut coral]

She didn't get anything 😭

Robbed fr

[olive elk]

Omf

[west tiger]

If you thought Taylor didn’t deserve a Grammy u can shut the fuck up because Beyoncé, Chappel, Kendrick & Churro XBOX didn’t get 10 songs from the same album in top 10 Did they

[winged ledge]

You're looking for the Billboard Music Awards

[woven quarry]

Ew

Screw Billboard

[earnest beacon]

OMAYGOD

WHY DID TAYlor not win

[storm orchid]

beyonce did not deserve aoty sorry

[shrewd slate]

You're saying I stayed up for nothing

[iron verge]

cowboy carter is one of the smartest albums ever

its a full thesis on americana

maybe u dont like the songs but realistically the grammies arent about what songs teenagers wanna hear the most

[cursive rivet]

actually so fucking pissed taylor didn’t win anything

[wicked dragon]

She didn’t what

That’s crazy

[forest light]

I love it but I think lemonade or renaissance deserves it more

[steady lion]

Congratulations to Beyoncé btw

for winning the first black woman ever to win the album of the year

[karmic fulcrum]

She wasn’t

Lauryn Hill won in 1999

[steady lion]

Oh

I meant in this century

[karmic fulcrum]

She was the first black woman to win Best Country album tho

[steady lion]

I was meant going to say that

[storm orchid]

I get by it winning best country album, it’s good but compared to the albums it was up against for aoty I don’t think it should’ve won personally

[iron verge]

silly

[earnest beacon]

Right

I domt really think it had much of am impact

[gusty beacon]

cowboy carter .... wtf i just woke up and checked

lmao what

not her best work imo the grammys are sscared

[sick saffron]

im happy for Beyoncé and her first aoty but if we're being serious she deserved it ages ago and giving it to her now thinking they're rectifying their mistake is so silly

she had better work that 110% deserved aoty

doechii for best rap im so happy for her 🙏

[teal oriole]

fr

[iron verge]

there isnt an album that deserved it more on the list though

its not about comparing her albums to her older albums

lemonade was up against 25

cowboy carter wasnt against anything very impressive or industry changing

[sleek portal]

i've only heard one song on that album, whereas all the other ones for aoty i've heard like 3-4 songs each

[twilit mica]

erm

ok…

[unkempt crystal]

I just looked and realized beyonce won best country album 💀 💀

[winged ledge]

This happens a lot, for better or for worse. The Tonys, the Oscars, and the Golden Globes do something like it.

[gaunt plover]

it’s ok we have next year

[teal oriole]

if i have to be honest choosing kendrick song over boaf and pls pls pls including fortnight is diabolical

• twice

[zinc canyon]

We're in a month of mourning. 💔
Tay and billie were robbed

[unborn shoal]

no. they didn't put their best up for the awards. fortnight and birds of a feather were not the best tracks on either of their albums.

[hollow dirge]

Yeah TTPD would’ve had a better chance if she picked like anything over Fortnight

I love Posty but I hardly include that song on my playlists haha

[hollow dirge]

Lamour de ma vie or Chihiro would’ve been better than Birds of a Feather

[unborn shoal]

chihiro still makes me ascend

[quiet pumice]

idk no one was robbed 😊

[livid prawn]

if taylor sent in but daddy i love him or loml for song of the year she would’ve won no doubt about that

anyway taylor robbed sabrina robbed olivia robbed billie robbed

[unborn shoal]

everybody was so deserving. it's hard.

[hollow dirge]

Kendrick definitely deserved his

I didnt think Beyoncé had best country album

Over Kacey Musgraves or even Lainey Wilson

[hollow dirge]

Imagine if she entered who’s afraid of little old me and won

I wonder if she just stuck with Fortnight because TTPD was kind of niche with the other songs and only those who get it, get it.

[jolly stratus]

Real

[jolly stratus]

I wonder

[rain comet]

im sorry but tays bangs-

i love you but no-

😭

outfit ate and left no crumbs tho

[wheat lichen]

hi baddies just me or was taylor snubbed?

[unborn shoal]

she was not. everyone who won the big categories deserved it and taylor just submitted a song that wasn't even the best on the album. From the look on her face, she knew she wasn't winning and she was there to cheer her friends on.

[frank bane]

drake shivering

[onyx yacht]

I personally think Espresso deserved that ROTY

[onyx yacht]

Was drake there

[unborn shoal]

espresso was everywhere, but I don't know that it had as much impact.

[onyx yacht]

It did actually, I'd say espresso had more global impact

[frank bane]

no

[onyx yacht]

Culturally I mean

[onyx yacht]

Okay

[frank bane]

it would be funny if he was

[unborn shoal]

maybe, but I think the kendrick drake beef got a ton of people more interested in rap than they would have been otherwise.

[onyx yacht]

He would've been as red as a tomato lol

[onyx yacht]

Same here.

Also not like us was kind of pop-ish

[unborn shoal]

mustard deserves all the flowers for his help making that happen

he's one of the beat makers of our lifetime

[onyx yacht]

Oh definitely

Random but I am so happy Amy Allen won songwriter award

She deserved it

Any idea when we get rep tv guys

I am hungry for more taylor music

[unborn shoal]

next clown date is post superbowl, potentially 2/14 because she's been pushing Lover. But also maybe 2/21 because it's Joe's birthday and rep is a Joe album.

I also think that she and Joe have an amicable relationship and are being respectful of each other which is why we don't know much.

So it would make sense that she'd feel comfortable doing that.

[vagrant crown]

Imagine winning 5 Grammys with a diss track then performing at the superbowl a week later

[unborn shoal]

I think kendrick will do what he's always done and stay humble.

He's not one to be super public and be bragging constantly.

[karmic fulcrum]

Am I the only one who feels like last night was the best Grammys night in a while ?

[tiny slate]

whole grammys ceremony is overrated

3,5h long and 2h of it are ads

[prisma osprey]

DOECHII DESERVED THE RAP ALBUM OF THE YEAR

🥹

[unborn shoal]

the performances were SO GOOD

[wet meteor]

I’ve seen a lot of people mad with Beyoncé but I think AOTY was deserved.

[jolly stratus]

Yes

It was the best one in a while

[wet meteor]

FR

I had so much fun last night

Specially with Doechii’s and Charli’s perfomance

I was screaming

[karmic fulcrum]

my top3 would probably be sabrina/chappell/doechii

in no particular order

[restive hawk]

my shaylas 😭😭

[feral hill]

Ttpd deserved more it was the most taylor swift taylor swift album shes made i feel like

[wet meteor]

I think Fortnight deserved Best Music Video. Fortnight MV had a lot of dedication and production.
But ig Not Like Us MV is also very good so I already saw it coming.

[feral hill]

That award is where the kendrick glaze started i was gagged when they announced this😭

[cosmic turret]

I didn't realize they did a Liam Payne tribute 😭💔

[broken tulip]

taylor is aoty in our hearts

[wet meteor]

Yesss it was such an emotional moment. I cried😭💔

[woven quarry]

I fell asleep when that happened. I would've cried hard otherwise

[karmic fulcrum]

Taylor love tweets all over the timeline the Lord has truly blessed us

[cerulean wind]

honestly, i feel like Billie Eilish should have won smth

[sonic thicket]

helpp i love this

[obsidian salmon]

Hello

[wet meteor]

Yes she should’ve won SOTY

[wise sleet]

Kinda living for the billie fans and swifties AND arianators finding peace

Billie fans hating on Taylor getting karma

[dapper dawn]

fortnight S o t y
birds of a feather S o t y

this is my two sotys

period

[frank bane]

how did i miss this

also it’s ai

[fading birch]

Yes

[cerulean wind]

Real

[stuck rose]

no its real

[cosmic turret]

I saw that on fb and was about to share it 😭

Fucking killed me dead

[jolly stratus]

A minorrrrrrrrr

[woven quarry]

HELP??? LOL

[jolly stratus]

I literally died when I saw that 😭

He gonna be suing the Grammys next watch

[cerulean wind]

Realll

That was iconic

[zenith pumice]

hi

oh wrong channel

[onyx yacht]

THIS CRACKED ME UP

[teal oriole]

oml

[shadow elm]

im soo sad ttpd didnt win anything

[tulip viper]

same bro

it deserved like all of those award

SHE POURED ALL HER HEARTBREAK INTO THAT

[jolly stratus]

Ikr

[jolly stratus]

It was funny asf 😭😭

[jolly stratus]

Some of yall gotta understand that everything Taylor produces isn’t Grammy worthy

[woven quarry]

TTPD was for herself. It's a personal album that she wanted to make. It makes sense.

[onyx yacht]

Ikrrr

[onyx yacht]

TTPD was tho

[jolly stratus]

You just said it. It’s personal. It’s smth only fans will truly understand. If you new you won’t understand it much at all. It wasn’t an album she made to win a Grammy I mean she literally said she made this to let her feelings out

[onyx yacht]

Yes

[jolly stratus]

It wasn’t

[onyx yacht]

ND I'm lowkey fine that it didnt get grammys but the truth is that the Grammys never award her most artistic works.... like red??? Evermore????

[jolly stratus]

Have yall not paid attention at all to what she said during the eras tour about the reason for making the album???

[onyx yacht]

Just goes on to show that the grammys dont analyze art for art

[onyx yacht]

Sorry it was

[jolly stratus]

I’m sorry but red ain’t an artistic work that deserves a Grammy imo. Evermore I can agree with

[onyx yacht]

We did and that doesn't change the fact that I deserved a grammy. Anyways

[onyx yacht]

💀 BYE WHAT!??????

[jolly stratus]

Explain to me what part of ttpd is Grammy worthy

I’ll wait

[onyx yacht]

I don't argue with people who say red ain't artistic" ☠️

[onyx yacht]

Not talkin

[winged ledge]

Red was so peak but I understand wanting to give it to Daft Punk that year. There's only so many opportunities to give it to those guys.

[jolly stratus]

That’s my personal opinion for a reason it’s almost at the bottom of my list

[onyx yacht]

EXACTLY.

[jolly stratus]

Exactly

[onyx yacht]

Welp

[onyx yacht]

Silence doesn't mean idk shit

[jolly stratus]

I’m literally giving you the floor to explain your claim and you don’t want to

I’ve explained mine

[onyx yacht]

But them robbing ATW10 of SOTY IRKED ME

[onyx yacht]

No cause how would you... "red ain't artistic" 💀 girl ATW10 exists

Considered taylor's greatest song by critics

[jolly stratus]

Atw10 is overplayed imo

[winged ledge]

I have personal qualms about the submission of ATW10 in concept. I don't like the idea of creating a second version of a song and submitting that. I don't like the precedent.

[onyx yacht]

That doesnt mean it's bad

[winged ledge]

I also think ATW10 is the weaker version of the song but that's independent to why I don't think it should ever get an award.

[onyx yacht]

So many have done that. The grammys be nominating deluxe versions for aoty 💀

[jolly stratus]

Atw was fine on its own it didn’t need a 10 min version

[onyx yacht]

ATW10 deserved that SOTY though.

[onyx yacht]

💀

[winged ledge]

Does that happen? Like, does the deluxe version of an album as you've mentioned come out in a separate consideration period?

[onyx yacht]

Yes!

[jolly stratus]

You have the floor to explain why you feel that way but you aren’t taking that chance

[winged ledge]

Kinda fucked up. I don't like it.

[onyx yacht]

2021 aoty nominees it happened. I think it was Bkack pumas deluxe

[onyx yacht]

Now what do you want me to explain? ATW10 Is one hell of a masterpiece. It not getting SOTY and bonnie rait winning over it was a clear snub.

Loved bonnie rait's song but ATW10 was objectively better

[jolly stratus]

Saying it’s one hell of a masterpiece is insanity on its own

I can never take anyone serious who says that

Never

[onyx yacht]

💀 write that in meredith youre done

[onyx yacht]

💀💀

[winged ledge]

Yeah, I disagree with that nomination on principle. There's probably a line somewhere cause I see the deluxe has 21 tracks instead of 11 and that sounds legit to me

[onyx yacht]

Yeaaa

But weird

Doesnt make sense

[jolly stratus]

I don’t talk in the chat where opinions are illegal by the ppl that inhabit it

[winged ledge]

Maybe if they didn't submit it in the first consideration period, then maybe it'd be fine

[jolly stratus]

I like to express how I feel about certain things without ppl canceling how I feel

[onyx yacht]

💀 I didn't say ur opinion is illegal. I just told i won't be talking cuz i don't like your opinion

[onyx yacht]

I'm cancelling ur opinion 😂 and I'm allowed to do that, it's not like I'm cancelling you

[onyx yacht]

Right.

[jolly stratus]

You don’t have to. I seen that chat. I seen ppl be ripped to pieces for having an opinion

[onyx yacht]

Ripping opinions and Ripping people for having an opinion are two completely separate things

[winged ledge]

In conclusion, KENDRICK SWEEEEEEEP

[onyx yacht]

I still don't get how Jon Batiste won in 2022

[jolly stratus]

REALLLLL

[winged ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/kendrick-skip-skipping-not-like-us-they-not-like-us-gif-13743902326381528661

[onyx yacht]

😭 I'm still crying cause even though I loved not like us, it didn't deserve ROTY. SORRY NOT SORRY

[jolly stratus]

Say that to the west coast and you’re done.

[onyx yacht]

I mean ESPRESSO WAS RIGHT THERE

[onyx yacht]

West coast is not the world 🤣

[winged ledge]

Okay but Espresso is just another song in the grand scheme of things

[woven quarry]

In conclusion Sierra sweep

[onyx yacht]

Stop acting like the world revolves around a part of america

[onyx yacht]

It was one of the largest pop songs of this decade

Literally not awarding it roty is stupid

[winged ledge]

Not Like Us is a Grammy award and Pulitzer prize winning rapper absolutely annihilating another Grammy award winning rapper to the point that the latter is suing the former instead of hopping on the mic again to hit back.

[jolly stratus]

I’m not?? Just like how you told me if I spoke my opinion about atw in Meredith I would be done I say the same about you but instead say it to the west coast

[onyx yacht]

They just gave kendrick that roty cause they wanted to "award black artists" to redeem themselves of racist allegations. Pathetic way to do that by robbing more deserving artists.

[winged ledge]

Nah, dude

[onyx yacht]

Okay lol wild comparison 😂

[onyx yacht]

Then explain me why black artists won all the big 3 categories.

[winged ledge]

In the same way, RAM won because you can only award Daft Punk once in your life. Not Like Us is a generational evisceration of a man put onto a beat.

[onyx yacht]

💀 it got like 3 grammys before soty/roty already

Not like they wouldn't have been able to award it otherwise

[winged ledge]

People separately vote for these things. It's not like they put all the winners in a room and go "Oh man, we already gave Kendrick 3, we can't give him more"

That's not how it works

[onyx yacht]

Yes but i told that in response to ur comment about awarding not like us being a once in a lifetime thing

They definitely think in a way when it comes to awarding people

It's definitely not possible that they gave black artists the big 3 awards just because they deserved all three?

[onyx yacht]

I mean... not like us didn't deserve BOTH soty/roty imo. Soty was ok but roty? 😭

[winged ledge]

I personally think that people looked at the list and saw the diss track of the century on there and went "Man, this'd be so cool if it won"

[onyx yacht]

💀

If i was a voter and I voted Espresso over Not like us for roty... 💀😭 I wouldn't be able to forgive myself

[winged ledge]

The Academy is made up of voters and voters are people. The "Grammys are racist" thing is like multiple years old. The Weeknd's boycott of it was like in 2021.

[onyx yacht]

Yeah but they're tryna redeem themselves now. Which is why they be awarding black artists so heavily this year

[winged ledge]

So they've had like 4 years and they're still "pandering"/"beating the allegations"?

[onyx yacht]

Also I feel like Good luck babe deserved SOTY

[winged ledge]

Like, I'll be real, it probably just has a huge effect on the voting populace that Not Like Us in the grand scheme of things was more than just a song

[onyx yacht]

Renaissance. Snubbed aoty in 2023. Over fucking Harry's flop house

[onyx yacht]

😭 so was Espresso!!!!

[woven quarry]

Beyonce deserved AOTY years ago. Giving it to her now is still not good enough

[onyx yacht]

Exactly.

Also they robbed more deserving artists of AOTY this year

[winged ledge]

If you could tell me the peripheral context of the song Espresso

[onyx yacht]

Midwest Princess deserved Imo

[winged ledge]

I would love to hear it

[onyx yacht]

Wait what does peripheral context mean

[jolly stratus]

Espresso is just a summer hit song

[winged ledge]

It's more than just a song, right?

[onyx yacht]

So....... ?

[wet meteor]

btw a DISS TRACK winning both is too much.
Like there are better songs like This Is America that won SOTY and ROTY and was more deserved. It really has a deep meaning not like “not like us”.
Btw I’m not saying Not Like Us is a bad song.

[winged ledge]

As per this message

[jolly stratus]

Explain how it’s more than a song???

[onyx yacht]

It's a fucking great record. That it. And that's why it deserved ROTY

[onyx yacht]

ROTY isnt about songwriting

[woven quarry]

Espresso did more than Not Like us hot take 💅

[onyx yacht]

EXACTLY

[onyx yacht]

EXACTLY

[winged ledge]

I'll say it again

[jolly stratus]

So you’re not gonna explain? Got it

[winged ledge]

It was the endpoint of a whole while fight between two Grammy award winning artists

[jolly stratus]

Explain.

[onyx yacht]

What??? I didnt even promise to explain anything

[onyx yacht]

💀 stupid fight u mean

[winged ledge]

There's only so many spats between two huge titans of music nowadays

[onyx yacht]

Sorry i loved not like us but it getting roty was FOUL

[jolly stratus]

You keep making these insane statements and not defending it one bit

[winged ledge]

Especially in the rap game where music comes out hard and fast, it's great

[onyx yacht]

😭 agreed

[winged ledge]

We haven't seen that shit since Biggie

[onyx yacht]

You keep asking weird explanations which don't even connect to my statements

Espresso deserved ROTY.

[onyx yacht]

Yeah.
.Great. it got 3 grammys.... didn't need 2 more with soty/roty 😭😭😭

[winged ledge]

Anyway, Not Like Us probably won because it's more than just a track. It's a diss track that single-handedly ended one side. You don't really get that added context from the other tracks. And again, there's only so many opportunities in life you get to vote for a song like that.

[jolly stratus]

No you said espresso is more than just a song I asked you to explain and you dodge it

Baseless statement.

[onyx yacht]

WHEN DID I SAY THAT IT WAS MORE THAN JUST A SONG?

[jolly stratus]

!

[onyx yacht]

😭

[winged ledge]

You said it right here btw.

[jolly stratus]

This shit is funny

We gave you an explanation to why we think what we think and we ask the same for you

[winged ledge]

Alright, stop taking the piss

We get it

[onyx yacht]

I meant that espresso is more than just a record in the grand scheme of things. It's one of the best pop songs of this decade

[winged ledge]

Okay but again, it's still just a song

Think of it this way

[onyx yacht]

Shut up you don't even make sense you just wanna fight 💀

[onyx yacht]

Wdym just a song????

[winged ledge]

Dancing Queen by ABBA, you turn that shit up to tell kids "Aw man listen to this. Doesn't this bop?"

[jolly stratus]

No, I’m just telling you we gave you an explanation as to why we think what we think and we ask you to explain your side but you don’t want to?

[winged ledge]

Not Like Us, you have an entire separate story to tell

Like it bangs and there's a really crazy story that comes with it

[woven quarry]

Espresso has so much rhythm. The lyricism is awesome and it's more catchier and easy to memorise the lyrics. Nintendo fans and Espresso drinkers can relate, there's a burst of joy and energy put into it. Also Sabrina's vocals devoured. Go Queen Sabrina

[winged ledge]

That's what I mean when I say all the other nominees are, strictly speaking "just songs"

[onyx yacht]

Cultural impact, commercial success, critical ACCLAIM.

[onyx yacht]

Exactly

[onyx yacht]

💀

I'm so over kendrick stans sorry

[winged ledge]

Every nominee is some combination of good writing, good production, and good vibes. That's why they're nominees. Kendrick's track has an X-factor.

[jolly stratus]

What cultural impact did it have?? Pls elaborate

[onyx yacht]

I love not like us and I appreciate it a lot but over espresso please

[jolly stratus]

That’ll live on for years to come

[winged ledge]

I mean, I'm just explaining why it probably had more of an effect to the voters. Songs come and go.

[onyx yacht]

Espresso was ALL OVER THE WORLD. LITERALLY ASIANS HAD IT ON LOOP 24/7. THE WORLD ISNT AMERICA.

[winged ledge]

Previous nominees of the category are mostly, again, just songs.

[onyx yacht]

😭😭😭

[onyx yacht]

Wellllll

[winged ledge]

Hey, buddy, I'll tell you now, the rap game is one of America's greatest cultural exports

[onyx yacht]

Pfft I'm tired of arguing

[onyx yacht]

Okay now that's unrelated because that doesn't mean not like us had equal cultural impact

[jolly stratus]

Ok so you’re just telling me it was popular?

That’s all

[winged ledge]

I'm not even arguing. I'm informing.

[onyx yacht]

Popularity spells cultural impact. Now that's common sense

[onyx yacht]

Ok

[woven quarry]

I'm working lateeeee cause I'm a singer

[onyx yacht]

Like in my country people PLAYED IT IN EVENTS ALL THE TIME.

[onyx yacht]

And i come from a country wherein western music ain't that popular among the GP

[winged ledge]

Yeah, so was NLU for mine

[onyx yacht]

And he looks so cuteeee

[onyx yacht]

Okay

Let's agree to disagree lol

😂

[winged ledge]

Anyway, I'll be petty this one time

[woven quarry]

Wrapped round my fingerrrr

[winged ledge]

If you look at Wikipedia for Espresso, there's a section called "In popular culture"

[onyx yacht]

Now he is, thinking about meeee

[onyx yacht]

Yeah?

[woven quarry]

[winged ledge]

If you look at Wikipedia for "Not Like Us", there are sections for "Aftermath" and "Cultural impact"

[onyx yacht]

💀 what a weird way to discuss cultural impact of a song

Sorry

I'm out

[jolly stratus]

Saying nlu had no cultural impact when the pop out concert LITERALLY exists is crazy

[onyx yacht]

Didnt say that it had none?

I just said that espresso had more. Quit twisting my statements to fit your arguments

[jolly stratus]

Now if that was espresso then shit I’d understand

[winged ledge]

And my counterpoint to that is that there's literally a section on Wikipedia about the cultural impact of NLU as opposed to Espresso which does not

[onyx yacht]

💀☠️

Is there any channel here that's saner than this one and meredith just asking I'm kinda new soo

[jolly stratus]

But there is literal online evidence that nlu had a way more cultural impact. The pop out concert. If espresso could ever reach that or more then I’ll retract my claim

[winged ledge]

I don't think that the claim that Not Like Us has a bigger cultural impact than Espresso is an insane one. I think it's perfectly reasonable. The whole feud made headlines. Drake released The Heart Part 6 as a clapback to Not Like Us and it fell flat so fucking hard that he took the track down

And now Drake's suing Kendrick indirectly

[onyx yacht]

Ok

Taylor release rep tv

😭

Everyone going crazy

[winged ledge]

Having such a unique and high-profile narrative surrounding your already banger of a song is just guaranteeing you'll win awards

[jolly stratus]

And I’m willing to bet he’ll sue the Grammys next

[winged ledge]

It's something you don't get every year

Lmao he might

Plus, I just realized that he had to put that whole track together in pretty much record time. I forgot how quick that whole ordeal was

Drake's first two punches were April 19th. Kendrick hits back on the 30th and May 3rd. Drake hit back later that same day. Kendrick hits back twenty minutes later, and then drops Not Like Us the day after.

So Kendrick had about two weeks to do the whole thing

Crazy

[onyx yacht]

It was a petty feud imo

[winged ledge]

They always are but the music was peak

[onyx yacht]

Agreed

[winged ledge]

It was so funny for Drake because Family Matters is one of the best things he ever put out

Like, he truly brought his A-game to that track

[onyx yacht]

Ooh

[winged ledge]

And then Kendrick within 24 hours annihilated him

It was absolutely insane

[jolly stratus]

The heart pt. 6 was him just saying nuh uh to him

Which is what made it so horrible

[winged ledge]

The Heart Part 6 was a mistake and Drake knew it but understandable considering he was destroyed

Like imagine you actually put your heart and soul into a track and you actually creating your magnum opus

That was Family Matters for Drake

And then, in literally 20 minutes, Kendrick drops Meet The Grahams which was a fairly subdued track but it had some stingers in there.

And then the following day, Kendrick drops Not Like Us and just disintegrates your Mona Lisa

I would be a broken husk of a vessel

[jolly stratus]

And then he drops the mv with Whitney

Which imo was the cherry on the cake

[winged ledge]

Yeah but the MV came way way later, Drake already hid inside his hidey hole by then

Really subtle jab there though, loved it

[jolly stratus]

He’s tried testing the waters but it ain’t working for him

[restive hawk]

wait why is ai getting better…

[woven quarry]

HELP THE WAY TAYLOR IS KICKING BEYONCE IN FUCKING HEELS BYE

[fading birch]

😭

[jolly stratus]

That’s a hot take

[onyx yacht]

💀

[bold jewel]

[native rose]

i agree, not like us shouldnt have won 5 grammys. like lets be real here, it was a diss track. i respect the song but espresso wouldve been the ideal choice for roty because it genuinely was everywhere this year.

[jade mulch]

Beyoncé winning album of the year is important and well deserved for 3 reasons. 1. Her winning the award shows artists you don’t have to stick to one genre of music for you to have success. 2. Shes making a table for black women and men to be accepted into the country music scene. Because we all saw how they treated any black person that steps into that world. One example is shaboozy not getting any country music awards even though he undoubtedly had one the best country songs this year. 2. It’s been long deserved, Beyoncé should’ve gotten album of the year for self tilted and lemonade and renaissance. So a win is a win

[unborn shoal]

right, let's not look a gift horse in the mouth. this is important for taylor too because it lends more validity to her genre switching

[jade mulch]

100% it really sets in stone that you don’t have to stay in a box people have set you in

[jolly stratus]

Yea it was a diss track that caused a cultural impact.

It’s like the pop out concert didn’t even exist 😭🙏

For a reason it won 5 Grammys

Now obv if you ain’t someone who listens to rap or isn’t too invested in rap then you’d prob never understand why it won sm. But to a casual rap listener it’s quite simple why it won sm

[native rose]

u are right, it caused a cultural impact because it was a diss track
espresso, arguably, caused a cultural impact as well (at least in the united states) because it ruled the charts, got sabrina into the spotlight, and literally was the song / record of the year

[jolly stratus]

That’s just her getting her status up bc of a summer hit single. That’s not cultural impact.

The music that came out of the beef is arguably some of the best music that’s came out in a while. It wasn’t just smth only rap listeners were invested in, lots of ppl who dont even listen to rap were invested in the entire thing.

[native rose]

what would be a cultural impact to you then?
i know a lot about music and listen to a lot of music, and i can tell you that espresso definetely had a cultural impact. i guarantee you a ton of people have ordered a shot of espresso because of the song espresso. coffee shops have advertisements for espresso shots saying “thats that me espresso”.

[native rose]

yes this is true, but people were invested in the drama not exactly because of the song not like us, but because two major rap artists who have ruled the 2000s are getting into a feud and one is being accused of ||pedophilia||

[jolly stratus]

You literally just proved my points with one of the many things

[native rose]

how so?

[abstract yoke]

better than ttpd 😭

[jolly stratus]

This was arguably the biggest feud there was in quite a while in rap history. Like you said 2 artists who are Grammy winners and have dominated the 2000s were beefing. I don’t think coffee shops using a popular song to advertise some espresso is nearly as impactful as the effect not like us and the general beef had in rap history. And that’s just a very small part of it. Let’s not forget the pop out concert which literally mind you brought lots and lots of ppl from the west coast together you were seeing ppl who fucked with Drake there you saw literal gang members were there. It was a cultural moment it was a cultural impact.

[jolly stratus]

No comment

[abstract yoke]

alr then

[jolly stratus]

I’m not saying espresso is a bad song or anything. I fuck with the song heavily. But sometimes you gotta draw the line of truth where it belongs.

[native rose]

coffee shops using a popular song to advertise espresso is impactful because now, when most people hear the word espresso, they think of the song espresso. lets be honest, espresso dominated this summer and autumn

[jolly stratus]

Espresso did not dominate over a beef that will go down in rap history now that’s just crazy lol. Espresso ain’t gonna dominate over 2 giants both rlly well known in rap culture taking massive shots at each other. I’m willing to bet you that the beef will be smth that will be remembered for years to come. Espresso can only live for so long. Or till she puts out another song that completely dominates that song.

[native rose]

but espresso DID dominate over a beef that will go down in rap history. and of course the beef will be remembered for years to come because its drama lmao. this doesnt seem like its about not like us and instead this feels like its about the beef

no song should win 5 grammys lol, thats just insane

[unborn shoal]

Leave the Door Open and This is America both also won 5 Grammys. Sometimes the academy just identifies with a song or vibes super hard.

[native rose]

yeah, i js feel like certain people (billie and ari) were snubbed this year but other people got more grammys than maybe they shouldve
though in the end it is just a piece of metal

also i love kendrick i just dont think not like us shouldve won 5 grammys this year
it def deserved at least 1 but i think 5 is a bit much

[jolly stratus]

It did not, you’re really gonna tell me that a summer hit single is gonna dominate over 2 huge titans in the music industry having it at each other? Which is smth we don’t see everyday nowadays. Like you have to make it make sense. Espresso was literally for the popular culture. Nlu literally had a cultural impact, it was feud everyone was invested in ranging from rap listeners to even non rap listeners. Hell even Dr. Dre was the opener of the song at the concert. Which drove ppl nuts. This feud literally had a variety of things that made everyone turn its attention to it right away. There is literally no denying that it had a cultural impact when all the evidence is right there. Not like us literally put an end to it all in total, Drake tried to clap back but just couldn’t. So bad to the point the song he clapped back with he took down bc it just sucked ass. Let’s not forget the aftermath this song has caused to.

[native rose]

i never denied the fact that not like us had a cultural impact. it had a cultural impact because it was a diss track. u cant compare a song like espresso to a diss track (made to start drama) and debate which one caused the rap industry to go crazy lmao 😭

[jolly stratus]

If they both were up against each other ofc you can. If not then they wouldn’t even be up for voting by the recording academy. And it wasn’t just the rap industry that went crazy btw. This was being talked about everywhere, hell it even made news headlines at some point.

[native rose]

the same happened with espresso and sabrina carpenter

[jolly stratus]

You’re telling me espresso made it to the news?

[native rose]

yes i am
not exactly espresso itself but sabrinas breakthrough through the song espresso, and her coachella performance which started it all

[jolly stratus]

I would like to know what what’s so special about espresso that it caused a whole cultural impact. Cause I’ll tell you rn, coffee shops using it to advertise their espresso ain’t cultural impact. All it did was make it to the popular culture that I’ll say, bc it was hella popular but that is not the same as it making a cultural impact

[native rose]

coffee shops using it to advertise espresso is impactful because its impacted culture so much where when most people think of espresso they think of the song, not the coffee

[native rose]

hope this sentence made sense i typed it up real fast

[jolly stratus]

Impactful im a business perspective. Specifically coffee shops. Just bc someone thinks espresso and they immediately connect it to the song doesn’t mean it’s cultural impact. Again coffee shops using it to advertise it is not cultural impact. Someone associating a word to a hit song isn’t cultural impact.

[native rose]

i disagree with this. someone associating a word to a hit song is cultural impact

[jolly stratus]

So if I associated a typewriter to ttpd that would be cultural impact? If I associated the color red to the song/album that would be cultural impact? Is that what you’re telling me? Cause if so then you might as well say everything in the music industry had a cultural impact and I mean everything.

[native rose]

thats different because basically only swifties know those references and associate those items / colors to songs. espresso is a different circumstance because literally everyone associates that with the coffee espresso

[jolly stratus]

It’s not different. I don’t see why it’s different now. Ppl associating a word to a song isn’t cultural impact bc if it was then everything would be cultural impact in the music industry, everything. And not everything can be cultural impact.

[native rose]

right but espresso had cultural impact 💀. also the grammys arent based off of what had the cultural impact, they are based off of what was the biggest in the year and what was the best art from the year

which is why i think not like us winning 5 grammys is a bit much

[jolly stratus]

Cause if that’s the case I’ll tell you right now. Ppl associating nlu to the historical feud is a cultural impact. If we’re gonna talk about association of a word or phrase with smth else being cultural impact then I’ll tell you rn nlu does that and way more. It’s a story to tell that hasn’t even ended clearly by the way things are going rn.

[native rose]

again, not like us is a diss track, espresso is not! comparing a diss track to a pop song is not very sensible

[jolly stratus]

Espresso was popular culture. Nothing more nothing less. It was not cultural impact. Idk how you can think that associating a word to a song is considered cultural impact when it clearly isn’t

[native rose]

im sorry are you seeing my recent messages? u cant compare diss tracks to pop songs because they are entirely different and absolutely diss tracks are going to have more “cultural impact” than a pop song

[jolly stratus]

Clearly you can compare both if they were up against each other. Espresso is a just a summer hit song that blew up. Nlu is a hit that not only blew up but completely drove the culture insane. From the pop out concert to the law suits. There are lots of things that signify my point.

It’s just a matter of recognizing and accepting them

[native rose]

yes nlu drove the culture insane BECAUSE ITS A DISS TRACK 😭 i dont know how i can make this clearer
i love nlu. i love kendrick lamar. but 5 grammys for one song is absolutely wild

[jolly stratus]

Not all diss tracks will have a cultural impact, but this one in particular had it for a variety of reasons many of which I have stated throughout this entire conversation.

[native rose]

especially because the 5 grammys were taking away grammys from other artists, such as billie, who had a huge year this year

[jolly stratus]

5 Grammys for a song that had a cultural impact is quite justifiable and defendable tbh.

[native rose]

ok, i disagree here but alright

[jolly stratus]

We can gladly agree to disagree, but I’ve alr stated what I think and why I do.

[native rose]

and so have i

[wanton relic]

I’m pissed . Tay and Billie were ROBBED

[jolly stratus]

Billie I can understand

But Taylor? Not so much

[shell nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/taylor-swift-grammys-2025-grammys-glambot-taylor-swift-glambot-gif-12372408582387842672

[radiant pilot]

doesnt matter

she had the time of her life

[shell nexus]

I’m pretty sure she was sad after

She was drunk

[radiant pilot]

guess we will never ever know

[shell nexus]

It’s an album she worked hard on of course she would be sad.

She herself said that the award is the work

[radiant pilot]

huh

thats true actually

this is rep all over again

[woven quarry]

I'm gonna be honest here,I haven't seen what kind of cultral impact Not Like Us track had and I never had the need to. Just that me Espresso. Espresso won't be decaying anytime soon let's just say Espresso has more interest and its own personal spotlight than meaningless diss tracks going back and forth 💅

[radiant pilot]

i cant say anything about not like us is cuz i dont like rap music

but yeah espresso was 2024's everything

[woven quarry]

Exactly. I heard Espresso on the radio more than I heard Not Like Us. It was an Espresso summer and don't forget the Espresso remixes. The creativity with the title like Espresooooo version which is the extended version. It's like Sabrina designed her cafe menu as one. She has creativity, spirit, energy and passion.

[zinc canyon]

girl don't even

[woven quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/wellyes-tokyo-toni-stan-twitter-yes-noo-gif-5172010691426946270

[radiant pilot]

i didnt even know the extended thing

so cool

[jolly stratus]

Meaningless? Lmao if it was meaningless it would have NOT done the shit it did

You are actually delusional

[jolly stratus]

Then I associate nlu to the historic feud between 2 giants of the music industry, cultural impact right there!

[woven quarry]

I'm not suprised if that was the case. Kendrick's language of rap incomprehensible

[woven quarry]

Yes I am delulu and what

[jolly stratus]

It is the case. Did you not say that associating smth to a song/album is cultural impact? Make it even.

[woven quarry]

Using my words against me... the audacity... I'd say it becomes cultural impact when it becomes a universal spread that appears on your Tiktok, Twitter or Instagram fyp for no reason but to spread the word

[jolly stratus]

Nah I’m just using the “logic” against you. Obv you only want it to be true for the song that you fan over, but that ain’t how that works. If associating a word to a song or album is cultural impact then nlu and absolutely everything and anything in the music industry is cultural impact, which btw is insane bc that’s not true but I’m just using your logic here. If it spreading all over social media is cultural impact then ig some of the down right dumbest things that became trends are also cultural impact.

[woven quarry]

See? Some are are foolish cultural impacts. Although not everything should revolve around cultural impact anyways but whether you continue to doubt or misword my logical perspective, pop queen's Espresso shall continue to create a divine legacy where we get me Espresso period it's unclear what Kendrick's legacy is however. It ain't worth my time to decipher what Kendrick's songs mean

[jolly stratus]

And some are not cultural impacts at all like espresso. I said it before and I’ll say it again bc I stand on it and I will double down on it. A song going viral and coffee shops using it to promote their coffee is NOT cultural impact. That is popular culture and there is a clear difference between both. His legacy is quite big and legendary especially after he sweeeeept the Grammys with a record breaking diss track that had the entire internet going circles around it, and the pop out concert? Yea no don’t even get me started on that. It ain’t everyday you see 2 giants of the music industry who both dominated the 2000s go at each other. And it’s not like this has come to an end either bc there is quite the aftermath since that dropped. Whether you like rap or not it is absolutely hard to deny any of the things the track did compared to a song that only was a summer hit.

[woven quarry]

Only a summer hit? Well yes it's a summer hit but you underlook it. It's more than just a summer Bop. It's relatable both spiritually physically, emotionally, transcendentally, etc. It's the incredible lyrics that comes with it.

"I can't relate to desperation. My gives a fuck are on vacation". Very relatable in multiple scenarios Because pop Queen Sabrina made it relatable. Hard to relate to Kendrick's shit because of the incomprehensible language he communicates with. A song has to hit hard in the feels and it has be concise and clear and memorable. Therefore,Sabrina fufuilled all requirements and criteria. I said it before and I'll say it again because I stand on it and I will double down on it. Sabrina's Espresso has become a cultural impact and will remain and continue to be both pop and cultural impact

PERIOD

[native rose]

ah yes this discussion again

[full epoch]

Bro what are you all on. I don't pay much attention to pop culture outside my preferred artists but I definitely heard about Lamar's diss tracks against Drake sooner and more often than Espresso. I only ever heard Espresso because Taylor brought Sabrina out.

[jolly stratus]

Yes bc it’s only a summer hit. Something being relatable does not mean crap. It’s not being under-looked, it’s just a song. A summer hit that got popular. It ain’t cause a cultural impact but it def is popular culture like I said. You don’t even have to understand rap like that to know the impact nlu had compared to the impact espresso had. Espresso only did sm and yk that’s true. The answers are out there the evidence is there it’s all there for you. But it’s your choice to accept it for what it is or to ignore it.

[jolly stratus]

That somehow espresso had a more “cultural impact” then nlu 😭💀

[full epoch]

I mean something can feel more personal to YOU and have a huge impact on YOU, but that isn't an objective thing of culture at large.

[native rose]

ill give my opinion again,
you cant compare the cultural impact of a diss track to the cultural impact of a pop song. of course the diss track is going to have more “cultural impact” or whatever tf u guys are calling it because its a diss track.

the grammys arent about cultural impact. the grammys are about what really was the “record of the year” or what was the “song of the year”, and espresso was just that

[woven quarry]

I could say it's just a Diss track against Drake so it doesn't really involve others

[woven quarry]

Agreed. They're both on different genres. One has singing. One has rap. It's hard to compare them so debating whether Espresso or Not Like Us is better is pointless.

PREACH

[native rose]

i think nlu definetely deserved 1 - 2 grammys, but my take on this is that 5 grammys is a bit much

[woven quarry]

But there was no rap in Espresso neither there was singing in NLU...

[woven quarry]

He was spoiled more than I anticipated

Well Espresso devoured 2024 then NLU anyways

Summer, spring, autumn or winter, Espresso fits all seasons

Oh that I agree.

Drake is In a severe position anyways so yeah he's fucked

[jolly stratus]

THANK YOU

[woven quarry]

Next.

[void cairn]

Fuck Cowboy Carter

[unborn shoal]

stop

be mad somewhere else

have valid criticisms

[woven quarry]

As much as I love Chappell Roan getting the new artist award, I think Teddy Swims should be the alternative candidate for Best New Artist. His music is incredible like Lose Control, and The Door are his biggest songs and I feel they have created an influence to us. Teddy's vocals are clear, concise, loud and powerful. In addition, Teddy Swims has a benevolent personality.

[modern grail]

As much as I heard espresso, I agree

[wary tree]

I don’t know what chat to ask for this but does anyone have that one thing that tells you what percentage of time they show Taylor on screen at nfl games? 👀

[timid island]

Idk but little

[onyx yacht]

CLOCKED

Exactly

[onyx yacht]

That guy is a kendrick stan, don't argue with him

Summer hit? Espresso is still getting more daily streams than not like us 🤣 quit the nonsense

[full epoch]

I'm so sick of this shit, this is just racist. They earned their awards. Stop fucking erasing their talent and skill. I'm glad Kendrick and Beyoncé won big because they're both talented. Stop being mad your girlie pops didn't get their shiny praise.

[onyx yacht]

Nah it's not racist. Also I never said they didn't earn their awards. Some did, some didnt, and that's my opinion.

I'm happy for beyonce but kendrick clearly didn't deserve ROTY over espresso. That's a steal. And saying this doesn't erase his talent. I infact loved Not like us. So stfu and stop being rude without context.

[jolly stratus]

PREACH

[jolly stratus]

No body is being rude. We’re just sick and tired of your pathetic narrative that of them wanting to “redeem themselves” it’s stupid and racist. Accept the fact that the ppl who got a Grammy earned it. And if you can’t accept the fact your favs don’t win then maybe stop watching award shows. Ppl like you are the reason ppl look down on this fandom. Bc of the flat out toxicity.

[jolly stratus]

Couldn’t have said it better

[rough idol]

Go off king this is getting tiring

[native rose]

well no

i get what ur trying to say and (i dont agree with it) but the way u said it was shitty

[bitter remnant]

this is a horrific thing to say???

oh ma lawd

[unborn shoal]

We’re not going to devalue black artist’s achievements here.

Stop complaining about the grammys without REAL criticisms that don’t revolve around DEI or personal preference.

[bitter remnant]

you're allowed to be disappointed your fave didn't win, but to erase the talent of black artists and to say they only received an award as a method of DEI is problematic

[unborn shoal]

and let’s remind ourselves that beyonce has ALWAYS been THAT girl. She has been passed over for awards time and time again according to HER OWN PEERS.

not just fans

[bitter remnant]

also, not like us is literally one of the best records of 2024 due to its cultural relevance

as much as i love the song, espresso is a pop song that was popular on mainstream radio

[unborn shoal]

Kendrick has always been a controversial and important figure in music too. He’s an ultra talented writer.

[bitter remnant]

popular on radio ≠ roty

being culturally relative and experimental = roty

[unborn shoal]

Espresso was an earworm and a bop, yes. But was it genre shaking? Did it have historical meaning?
No. That doesn’t mean it wasn’t a fantastic song that also deserved awards.

[bitter remnant]

wish we learned that grammys don't mean shit and your fave not winning one isn't the end of the world

[unborn shoal]

we weren’t ALL watching for espresso to drop. We were FLOORED when kendrick kept dropping dis track after dis track that was not only danceable but called out a huge swath of the industry.

[twilit mica]

ya'll seeing that ai video of the grammys

[bitter remnant]

no

[twilit mica]

gurl...

[bitter remnant]

i've not been online much

what video?

[unborn shoal]

it’s just them all fighting

[bitter remnant]

wow so funny

[jolly stratus]

Real

[bitter remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-sitting-quiet-blinking-looking-around-nosolohit-stan-twitter-stantwt-gif-17706275420159821989

[jolly stratus]

IM SAYINGGG not only that but if you saw like the pop out concert you would see a lot of things there that’s like

Impossible to even ever imagine

LeBron was there whom was a very close person to Drake

[bitter remnant]

notice how the entire grammy building was hyped not like us won

[jolly stratus]

Dr Dre was there and opened up not like us which is insaneeee

[jolly stratus]

Literally

And the “a minorrr”

[bitter remnant]

an icon

hate to say this because i don't wanna sound like a hater despite loving sabrina but espresso is a generic pop song, it had no chance at roty

[jolly stratus]

Nah dw I get you I’m glad someone finally gets where I’m coming from, I love Sabrina I love her songs but like I said before. You gotta draw the truth line where it deserves to be drawn

The whole “oh well nlu is a just a diss track.” Is such a invalid argument that can very easily be dismissed with simple research

[woven quarry]

I couldn't agree more. The Grammys are bias af

[onyx yacht]

☠️ I got 5 pings

[bitter remnant]

congrats

[onyx yacht]

☠️ I don't understand how my message was racist. I just said that because you can literally see the pattern. Now WHETHER they deserved it or not is up for discussion. (And I did say i'm happy that bey got aoty and only annoyed that nlu won roty).

Stop saying I'm racist, I literally come from a brown country. 😭

[jolly stratus]

Just bc you come from a brown country doesn’t mean you can’t be racist.

[onyx yacht]

It's stupidity to think that the Grammys are not always pushing for a "story". Like "black artists win all 3 major categories".

[onyx yacht]

Well I'm not 😂

[jolly stratus]

Sureeeee

[onyx yacht]

They do this all the fucking time.

"Underground artist wins big at the grammys"

"New artist sweeps the big 4" (billie 2020)

[onyx yacht]

Aw

[bitter remnant]

it's problematic to say things like this

you're discrediting their achievements

[jolly stratus]

Exactly

[onyx yacht]

Not saying that black artists winning is wrong or that they have less talent or smthg. I'm allowed to question their wins if I feel like doing so. Jist because they are black doesn't mean they get a clean chit, i've my own critiques to who should win and who shouldn't too, as everyone here does.

[onyx yacht]

When?????? Who????

[onyx yacht]

Maybe cause you're being way too sensitive about all this

[bitter remnant]

hmmm okay

[onyx yacht]

Did I say beyonce didn't deserve aoty? No.
I also never said NLU didn't deserve Soty

[bitter remnant]

your original message said kendrick only won because the grammys want to come across as not racist, that's a little problematic

[onyx yacht]

NO that was a general statement, not targeted at kendrick or any specific artist.

[bitter remnant]

im not bashing you really it's just not correct to say things like that

[onyx yacht]

I said the kendrick thing later 😭

[onyx yacht]

Well. I had my opinions. You had yours. It's okay.

[bitter remnant]

your opinions are problematic but hey ho

[onyx yacht]

That's what you think

[bitter remnant]

who am i to try change that

[onyx yacht]

Let's agree to disagree

[bitter remnant]

it's what a lot of people in this chat think

[onyx yacht]

Okay

[jolly stratus]

It’s ok to critique but what ISNT ok is to say the bs you said and to undermine artists

[onyx yacht]

I didn't say any BS and never undermined any artist

Which artist did i undermine?

I wanna know. Please clarify

Lmao I didn't even talk about her?

Scroll up and read. I literally said I'm happy that bey one aoty

[jolly stratus]

Ofc you aren’t going to recognize the messed up shit you said but yk exactly what we’re talking about

[onyx yacht]

AGAAAAAIN. I DID NOT TALK ABOUT THEM IN MY INITIAL Medsage. I just pointed out a pattern among the grammys this year

[bitter remnant]

let's just move on from it

it's turning into an argument

[onyx yacht]

When???

[jolly stratus]

I’m done I feel like I’m talking to a wall

[onyx yacht]

I never said that specifically. Quit the nonsense

[onyx yacht]

The last time i talked to you here, you were annoying 😂

[bitter remnant]

why are we insulting though

[onyx yacht]

Lmaooo now you're reaching

[onyx yacht]

Well he was

I was literally talking about the patten THIS TIME. wtf has Lauryn Hill to do with this? Historically proven fact it is that the scammies have always been racist af

Yes i still stand by what I said 😂 I never backtracked on my statements

This is so messed up. You don't know my socioeconomic background. How do you think you've the right to comment about it?????

[bitter remnant]

jm just leave it

no point wasting your energy

[onyx yacht]

Black artists getting the big 3 awards

[onyx yacht]

This DOES NOT MEAN THEY DIDNT DESERVE. I NEVER SAID THAT. I JUST POINTED OUT THE PATTERN

[dapper wolf]

Take it easy. Ttpd was undeserving

And hmhas was kinda boring

[onyx yacht]

Well to me it feels like an overcorrection of mistakes.

[dapper wolf]

Nothing spectacular

[warm elk]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-taylor-swift-what-huh-gif-14455499

[dapper wolf]

But yes CC was also ok

[onyx yacht]

Not like us getting 5 grammys doesn't make sense to me. Sooooo ☠️

[woven quarry]

It wasn't built for the public. It was built for herself but at least she tried

[dapper wolf]

Real aoty is djesse vol 3

[iron verge]

half of the artists on the billboard hot 100 are not white, therefor it's statistically pretty sound and not a 'pattern' for black artists to be, as a collective, doing well at an awards show

[dapper wolf]

Right and people didn’t like it so it wasn’t aoty. Simple

[onyx yacht]

LMAO THE ASSUMPTIONS HERE. How can you assume that i intended to say that they wouldn't have won if the grammies didn't do that? This is basically assuming things out of nowhere

[dapper wolf]

Don’t be racist here

[onyx yacht]

BYE THIS IS FUNNY CUZ KNEW TAYLOR WASNT WINNING ANYTHING

[jolly stratus]

• smth tells me she went not in the hopes of winning anything but to support her fellow peers and friends who were there

[onyx yacht]

No one is being

[onyx yacht]

That's a known fact

Ok

18

[iron verge]

yea i think it's okay to not like the albums that won, however i think the distrust about why so many people of colour won is misplaced and perhaps just comes from misunderstanding?

[onyx yacht]

Literally pointed a pattern. I might be wrong but that doesn't mean I'm racist

[iron verge]

you are wrong yeah

[onyx yacht]

Well I'm not a native English speaker but I do understand English.

[onyx yacht]

Okay. Ur opinion

[iron verge]

no it isn't an opinion

like i said

[onyx yacht]

Aw

[iron verge]

POC make up HALF of the billboard chart

in 1983, it was more like 10%

[onyx yacht]

You're reaching

[iron verge]

and michael jackson sweeped

[onyx yacht]

This isn't even merely related to what the topic is about

[onyx yacht]

WELL. ITS A KNOWN FACT THAT THE SCAMMIES HAVE BEEN FUCKING RACIST FOREVERRRRR

[woven quarry]

She may have not won a Grammy but she definitely dominated biggest enthusiasm of the Grammys. She was dancing and partying, especially when she got Janae's jacket like it gave her powers. She was the life of the party. That filled me with glee

[onyx yacht]

☠️ i only think that it's a factor. The rest is talent, of which i don't deny at all. I loved both nlu and cc.

[iron verge]

i'm sorry, i tried to give you a polite way to admit you are wrong and you doubled down like a stubborn animal - if there are many people of colour in music..... which there are (half the charts)... then they will win many awards! : D does it make sense? if it is too challenging i recommend something more your level such as garfield

[woven quarry]

GARFIELD HELP

IJBOL

[onyx yacht]

You really don't understand how the grammies work 😂

[iron verge]

maybe denis the menace ?

[onyx yacht]

Did i say it wasn't??????

It is positive. I never said it's NEGATIVE

Yes it is. I'm allowed to say that whilst saying it's a positive thing

[jolly stratus]

There’s nothing more satisfying and imo wholesome then seeing ppl like Taylor at award shows like that, not there to just hope in winning smth but to support and cherish their peers and friends music work

[onyx yacht]

It seemed like an overcorrection on their side to me when I saw NLU getting 5 grammies. I still dont think it deserves soty/roty. But okay, I can't be saying more.

I do

Stop belittling me

[iron verge]

Exactly

[onyx yacht]

Did i say every one who won deserved?

[jolly stratus]

Clock it

[iron verge]

can I ask, do you think a white person has ever 'overswept' at the grammies, like you think NLU has?

[onyx yacht]

Well my latter of the two messages you forwarded was referring to it generally

Yes lol. Problem?

[onyx yacht]

Yes I always think so 😂
Harry's house, 2023. Snubbed beyonce clearly. Racist scammies

Okay sure

You were never resepectful of me in the argument anyways

Aw.

[iron verge]

So when a white person sweeps, it's racist, and when a black person sweeps, it's over-correction of racism?

Do you think michael jackson deserved to sweep with 'thriller'?

[jolly stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/kendrick-lamar-not-like-us-they-not-like-us-boogeyman-music-video-gif-17499508556136352656

[iron verge]

the best selling album of all time

[onyx yacht]

Cause it was a fucking pattern. I'm allowed to point out things that I FEEL are patterns. Now whether that's wrong or right is up for discussion.

[onyx yacht]

Yes ofc

I just heard thriller recently, a hell of an album

[iron verge]

I just trying to understand what you're saying

yea it's unreal

[onyx yacht]

Okay

Let's stop this discussion

I'm done

[woven quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/new-chapter-gif-4036525502600467521

[bitter remnant]

thank fuck man

[sweet hamlet]

holy fuck. I called this since last week :😭

[sweet carbon]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DFl-XwpOzZB/?igsh=ZHlxMXlvdHl5bjA5

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taylor presenting the best country album award!

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One of my favorite Grammys moments is Taylor Swift’s heartfelt speech during her presentation on stage ❤️✨

[dapper dawn]

erm how is this still opened

weren’t yall closing it last week..

[radiant pilot]

[eager turtle]

Last message

[jolly stratus]

Nah

[wary ore]

Grannies tanked

[grand ore]

may another just like that moment happen again in 2026 ❤️