US Politics

[bronze zinc]

NC and GA don’t have elections this year. PA senate went red…

[nimble mason]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/2024/11/01/how-the-economy-really-fared-under-bidenharris-and-trump-from-jobs-to-inflation-final-update/

[open cosmos]

https://x.com/RealJoeBonanno/status/1855668663484903677

JoeyBonanno (@RealJoeBonanno) on X

Over 700 Starlink satellites have been taken out of orbit

13.7 million votes missing

Millions receive message that there ballot wasn’t counted

The vote count in VA, NJ, NY, FL, AZ, NV, WI, MI, PA is skewed but trump doesn’t have more votes, Harris has less votes

Twitter · Nov 10, 2024, 5:47 PM

[wide pawn]

It just doesn't make much sense when democrats won most of the senate seats in swing states

[vapid nova]

BIG GRETCH IS HERE

BIG GRETCH?!?

[bronze zinc]

I am curious. What exactly gives any credibility to this person? Why should I take this rando’s words as fact?

[open cosmos]

Everything that person has said in that tweet has been reported on by numerous people now

It's not them just making stuff up

[bronze zinc]

That’s called gossip. Has there been any proof of this? Any established organisation reporting?

[bronze zinc]

Have you never had rumours spread in your schools being repeated by hundreds of people within a few days

[open cosmos]

It's fully obvious elon used starlink to make less of Harris votes get counted

[bronze zinc]

Because some twitter accounts said so?

[open cosmos]

Because we're not dense

[bronze zinc]

How would starlink affect mail in ballots from being counted

This sounds like my grandma talking about 5G

[open cosmos]

Starlink was used on the voting machines

They were connected to it

Elon knew the results 4 hours before anyone else

[bronze zinc]

Says who?

[open cosmos]

Joe Rogans podcast

[bronze zinc]

Christ lol

[wide pawn]

Very interesting tbh

[bronze zinc]

The BlueAnon has been very interesting to witness

[open cosmos]

Blueanon isn't a thing

You're just upset trump got caught because of Elons bullshit

[bronze zinc]

Is there a single shred of evidence behind your words?

[open cosmos]

JOE ROGANS PODCAST

HE LITERALLY ADMITTED IT

Good lord

[bronze zinc]

Joe Rogan admitted to what?

[open cosmos]

That elon said he had the results 4 hours before

[bronze zinc]

Do you have a clip of this or am I supposed to take your word for it

Have you heard him say this or did someone on Twitter say it and you took them on their word

[open cosmos]

You have the internet

You wouldn't believe the proof if it was put right in front of you

Musk was also literally worried he'd go to jail if trump lost

[weary coral]

Can we stop saying it was possibly stolen
You sound a lot like the other guys in 2020

[open cosmos]

There's proof it was

[weary coral]

Where?

[open cosmos]

And again

All the starlink satellites that were taken out or orbit

[bronze zinc]

He didn’t say any such thing

[vapid nova]

https://tenor.com/view/filter-smile-bunny-what-is-the-tea-the-girls-are-fighting-gif-16805858

[weary coral]

Where is the proof? You said you had proof

[placid jacinth]

Wtf is going on

[bronze zinc]

He said that he was sure Trump won 4 hours before it was finally called which isn’t that strange. Even NYT was ready to call it but they wanted to be sure

[noble flame]

https://x.com/kremlintrolls/status/1855628020498747619?s=46

KT "Special CIA Operation" (@KremlinTrolls) on X

Musk sent Starlink terminals only to the swing states for the election.

Linux, which is Starlink's operating system, cannot (in simple terms) split .. or count votes from multiple parties. It would explain why Dems report their vote not being processed.

Starlink connects to

Twitter · Nov 10, 2024, 3:06 PM

[bronze zinc]

The writing was on the wall many hours before the rally reached 270

[pulsar iron]

Well we have lessons on it in PSE which is like general education idk how to describe it but it’s for all years so

[open cosmos]

https://vxtwitter.com/Djinantonix/status/1855648517949108725

[bronze zinc]

Why do you people keep linking random Twitter accounts as proof

[open cosmos]

There's joe Rogan saying it

[bronze zinc]

I am sure @ kremlintrolls is a reliable source

[weary coral]

Can we stop saying ‘there’s no way the Dems lost’ and instead look at WHY??

[open cosmos]

Yes they report on Russian bullshit

[bronze zinc]

Yeah there’s Joe Rogan saying Elon called it 4 hours before the media did

[open cosmos]

The dems lost because of ELON

[bronze zinc]

Many people knew Harris lost by then

[weary coral]

It was more than a 50/50

[bronze zinc]

You are extremely delulu

[pulsar iron]

Well no

[open cosmos]

Nah

Maga people cannot think critically

[bronze zinc]

4 hours before the final call, it was patently obvious Trump was going to win

It was 90-10 at tha point

[open cosmos]

Trump literally used elon to make harris votes not go through

[pulsar iron]

I mean lots of people voted trump simply because of the border and didn’t look at anything else so

[weary coral]

Is there proof

[open cosmos]

YES THERE IS PROOF

[weary coral]

DNC messaging was bad imo
They lost because of this
Voters don’t care about the situation in x country, they care that egg prices are up

[open cosmos]

MAGAts don't understand logic

[bronze zinc]

Folks this is what happens when you have spent the entire election cycle in a deep echo chamber where everyone is saying they’ll vote for Harris. You refuse to entertain the idea that people in your country think differently. And so your mind breaks when Harris loses and you have to cope with manufactured stories of satellites stealing ballots

[weary coral]

Please can you present it?

[pulsar iron]

I mean yeah tbh

[weary coral]

From either a state official or something

[open cosmos]

Harris lost because of elon

[pulsar iron]

I mean Elon bribed people to vote for Trump but

[bronze zinc]

If there was even the slightest proof Harris would not have conceded and Biden would not be inviting Trump to the White House

[placid jacinth]

If I see one more dem act like a maga droid from 2020 when they couldn’t accept defeat im about to start blocking ppl. Put some manly pants on and accept that we lost. It’s ok to lose ffs. Have you not heard a damn word what Harris and Biden said?!?

[bronze zinc]

Harris has moved on. Why can’t you?

[weary coral]

Okay - so you have no proof, or you are not willing to present it

Can we move on?
What the DNC did wrong despite Kamala running a very good campaign

[open cosmos]

Wont move on because it's actual bullshit the shit elon did

[pulsar iron]

All I’m saying is buying votes is illegal and that’s what Elon did for Trump

[open cosmos]

That too

Trump should be in jail already

Elon too

[placid jacinth]

Lord be quiet

We get it they should be in jail and everyone agrees but babbling about it won’t do shit.

[open cosmos]

A convicted felon should not be allowed to hold the presidential office

[pulsar iron]

Why are you so mad girl

[storm garden]

yeah but it's still happening

look it's only 4 years,

[placid jacinth]

Bc you guys sound exactly like maga droids from 2020

[open cosmos]

It's only happening because half the country are morons

[bronze zinc]

Because seeing the side that claims to hold intellectual superiority act just like the QAnon chuds when they lose an election is maddening

Muh satellites stole mail in ballots

[storm garden]

and don't start with the trump is gonna change that, no he isn't

it's in the constitution, putin could do it, because in russia it wasn't in the constitution

[pulsar iron]

Well no I am fully aware Kamala probably would’ve lost without Elon buying votes and I’m not pulling out some crazy conspiracy it’s a literal fact

[open cosmos]

Well yes liberals are smarter than MAGA

That much is obvious

Republicans literally want to get rid of the department of education

Since Republicans only gain support through ignorance

[weary coral]

Move on! We can’t tell half the people who voted they are idiots, because they won’t listen
Please look at the DNC and give them criticism

[weary coral]

But saying ‘if you vote x you are bad’ won’t win votes…

[placid jacinth]

Just accept she lost and move on. Like Kamala said, don’t put your hands up.. roll up your sleeves.

[storm garden]

she'll probably run again in 2028

[pulsar iron]

So.. did you read what I literally just said or..?

[storm garden]

so for now accept the loss

[open cosmos]

Who cares if it won't win votes when it's true

Inbred maga rednecks push the country backwards

[storm garden]

wtf is maga anyway

[bronze zinc]

Unlikely. She lost the popular vote to Trump, there’s no coming back from that

[open cosmos]

Maga is trump supporters

[storm garden]

yeah that's true

[pulsar iron]

She pulled the democrats out of the basement from how low it was gonna be with Biden and she barely had any time so

[raven adder]

in conclusion

[bronze zinc]

Hilary Clinton’s political career died after Trump. At least she won the popular vote. Harris? It’s joever

[weary coral]

Huh?
If you don’t win votes, it doesn’t matter what is true!

[weary coral]

Define communism

[pulsar iron]

Oh Uhm

[storm garden]

the whole point of democracy is votes

trump also won with lies

[raven adder]

define a joke

[storm garden]

that's the entire thing, politics is just big lies

[pulsar iron]

Define annoying

[open cosmos]

The best solution would be to make it so republicans can't run

Only two progressive candidates are allowed

[raven adder]

define who talked to you

[storm garden]

The only problem is the constitution

[placid jacinth]

Then stop with the conspiracy bs without evidence. Is it that hard!?

[open cosmos]

That way it's not a battle of good vs evil

It's two people actually wanting to make the country better

[storm garden]

but honey, that's against the constitution

that literally CAN NOT happen

[pulsar iron]

..

[weary coral]

Yeah
So if you are telling the truth, but you don’t win votes - it doesn’t matter
Murica!!

[open cosmos]

The constitution was literally made before two party was a thing

[raven adder]

to be honest i don’t even know why they’re still not using a 100% proportional system where who gets more votes wins, like it works in every other country ever

[weary coral]

To favour the GOP

[open cosmos]

Two party came after

[storm garden]

you'd have to go back to when the constitution was written, and change the constitution

[open cosmos]

Amendments

[placid jacinth]

Where’s your proof that Elon bought votes?

[weary coral]

Fuck that! Trump wants to get rid of the constitution altogether!!!! Freedom!
/j (not the first part though - that is fact)

[open cosmos]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/20/politics/elon-musk-voter-giveaway-legal-questions/index.html

[raven adder]

and it’s so shit because this way basically no other party gets to represent their votes in the house or senate

[storm garden]

but the constitution states you can not remove someone's vote, so by removing the republican party you'd remove half the country's votes

[pulsar iron]

Every single uk news channel was reporting it but I can pull one up if ur rlly in denial

[placid jacinth]

It’s one thing to report on it and it’s one thing to confirm he paid for votes.

[weary coral]

Legal questions is different to ‘indefinite proof’

[pulsar iron]

From bbc btw

[open cosmos]

He literally gave out money to voters in swing states

The article states it

Elon posted about it CONSTANTLY

[raven adder]

isn’t it genuinely exhausting to be forced to choose between the same two parties in EVERY SINGLE election

[storm garden]

Jill Stein 2028

[raven adder]

RFK 2032

[storm garden]

not Ronald or whatever his name is

[open cosmos]

Jill is literally only there to siphon votes

Get rid of third party and write in ballots completely

[placid jacinth]

Interesting, now my question is. If this stands to so much truth why hasn’t he been held liable?

[open cosmos]

Also rfk Is a moron

[storm garden]

see that's also against the constitution

[raven adder]

so get rid of that little democracy there’s left

[storm garden]

yeah like what

[pulsar iron]

Well he’s being sued for it so..

[storm garden]

the dutch could never (we have like 300 kajillion parties here)

[open cosmos]

75k people literally wrote in hawk tuah on their ballots

Writing in a name that isn't on there to begin with should not be allowed

[raven adder]

i mean it just counts as a blank vote

[pulsar iron]

This is just spoiling your vote I fear

It happens everywhere

[raven adder]

and it’s your fault if you’re that dumb to waste your vote

[storm garden]

so ur saying you HAVE to vote for someone and not having the option to vote blank

[open cosmos]

Yes Writing in is a wasted vote

[raven adder]

no it could become a sign of protest

[placid jacinth]

No I mean like arrested. Investigated. Interrogated.

[pulsar iron]

Tbf voting isn’t mandatory in America so if you don’t wanna vote any of them you don’t have to go to vote

[open cosmos]

Might as well just not even vote at that point

[raven adder]

if MAYBE one day people will get so sick of both R and D they will just start voting blank in mass

[storm garden]

or jill stein

[raven adder]

we don’t talk about that

[raven adder]

Diva

[open cosmos]

This is the election we need

[storm garden]

YES

[open cosmos]

Lebron and taylor

[storm garden]

was he even born in america

[raven adder]

vs kanye and diddy

[open cosmos]

Lebron?

[storm garden]

ya

[open cosmos]

Yes he was born in America

[storm garden]

guys taylor could technically run in 2028

[pulsar iron]

Well considering the amount of people who’ve complained there will be an investigation

[storm garden]

35 or above, living in usa for 10+ years, and born an american citizen

[raven adder]

i genuinely believe she could get a few million votes

[storm garden]

i genuinely do too

[placid jacinth]

Hopefully in that case.

[true swift]

I don't think that's something she's interested in doing

[storm garden]

but winning the election hell no

[storm garden]

not saying she is

[true swift]

So she could run and if she did she might do decent

[raven adder]

yeah no 💀

[storm garden]

just saying she could

[true swift]

But I dont think she wants to do that

[raven adder]

we saw how it ended with kanye lmao

[storm garden]

she literally wrote Castles Crumbling about not running for elected office

[storm garden]

don't tell me kanye ran a while

[storm garden]

I have never listened to it

[storm garden]

give it a try

[storm garden]

has it any feature artists

[storm garden]

no, and I checked the credits too

[raven adder]

Taylor Swift 6%; Kamala Harris 43%; JD Vance 46% 2028 prediction

Congratulation to Vance!!

[storm garden]

let Kamala go, she's toast

[storm garden]

honestly I don't think Kamala would run again

[raven adder]

its just a very hypothetical scenario

[storm garden]

she lost popularity to trump after being endorsed by including taylor swift

counter-point to myself, George H.W Bush

[raven adder]

i don’t fucking know what the democrats have left 💀

[weary coral]

🫤

[bronze zinc]

I think Kamala will retire after this

[storm garden]

Dems may be cooked at a national level

[wide pawn]

Y'all acting like this is the first election democrats lost

[storm garden]

also do you think Nick Fuentes would run for vp in 2028 after jd vance is now running for president

[weary coral]

Jill Stein only gives a shit about herself
Pops up every 4yrs to steal votes from the Dems, and then run off again
Even her own children didn’t want her to run!

[raven adder]

Bernie sanders would have sweeped i fear

[bronze zinc]

It’s a disaster. Lost the popular vote! New Jersey almost turned red

[wide pawn]

He's too young

[open cosmos]

Nick Fuentes should be in jail

[bronze zinc]

Nick Fuentes is a troll despised by both sides. No one would vote for him lol

[storm garden]

that photo of her at Putin's Table with Mike Flynn

[raven adder]

highly doubt the greens would have voted for either if jill wasn’t there

so it’s not “stealing”

[storm garden]

AND FUCKING GAZA-CRATS

[wide pawn]

Yet, maintained most of their senate seats in swing states. The house is on track to be historically narrow. It's a wipeout in terms of electoral votes but downballot elections weren't terrible

[storm garden]

yeah no shit, so should be the president, but he isn't either, get over it

what's left of Nick Fuentes should be in a bucket

also I don't even think Nick Fuentes did anything criminal, sure he is bigoted, but that's isn't offendable

[open cosmos]

https://vxtwitter.com/politvidchannel/status/1855633625473290539

[raven adder]

he’s such a freak i doubt even magas are scared to be associated with him

[weary coral]

Ah yes, that’s why they conceded

[storm garden]

if you fall asleep, this would be in your dream no?

[open cosmos]

Conceding isn't legally binding yknow

[raven adder]

and then you woke up

[storm garden]

4B doesn't go far enough, there needs to be Valkyrie squads shooting young straight males in the crotch to cause some real fear

[raven adder]

we’re all high on copium

[storm garden]

it's literally GIVING UP

[true swift]

Yeah no no way it's getting overturned

[raven adder]

yea but it’s just a formality

[storm garden]

yeah, a formality of admitting defeat

[bronze zinc]

There’s a higher chance of Rep TV coming out tomorrow

[pulsar iron]

Compared to Trump who was in denial and sat and watched his supporters rioting whilst refusing to tell them to stop?

[raven adder]

if the recount actually happens (and i doubt it will) and kamala ends up winning she will be the president no matter if she already conceded or not

[storm garden]

@bronze zinc...this would be hilarious if TS does exactly that

[storm garden]

is there a question in there?

[bronze zinc]

I’d end up looking like a fool so BECKY if you’re listening…

https://tenor.com/view/kamala-harris-do-not-come-gif-25102112

[raven adder]

Trump should have never been let near politics again after the capitol riots let alone run as president

[pulsar iron]

Not really I just found you saying she gave up kinda funny

[raven adder]

America is a joke fr

[storm garden]

yeah but isn't the only person that could ask for a recount kamala herself

[pulsar iron]

No

I dont think so at least

I’m not American so

[raven adder]

idk about that i guess it also depends if they find actually evidence of irregularities etc

[storm garden]

me neither

what if jill stein asks for a recount

and she wins

[raven adder]

Has a third party candidate ever won a state?

[bronze zinc]

Jill Stein is already back in her stasis pod and will awaken 4 years later.

She’s like Mariah Carey but comes out of hibernation every 4 years instead

[storm garden]

gotta find it and fill that pod with nitrogen

[open cosmos]

https://vxtwitter.com/AesPolitics1/status/1855645495655301299

[storm garden]

just so everyone knows, the whole jill stein thing I have going is just satirical

[raven adder]

im also wondering what would have happened if RFK didn’t retire and endorse trump

[open cosmos]

STARLINK WAS ACTUALLY USED

[storm garden]

tf is starlink

[open cosmos]

There's the proof

[storm garden]

Elon Musk Satellite Internet

that's not proof bro

[storm garden]

you vote with an actual ballot, not via phone

[open cosmos]

That's literally a poll person saying in a news report that starlink was used

[raven adder]

wo interesting

[open cosmos]

For the machines themselves

[raven adder]

Bernie my pookie

[storm garden]

how would the internet interfere with the voting

[storm garden]

bernie is hot /j

[open cosmos]

The machines are connected to the internet for the votes to be counted

[raven adder]

oh but i’m talking about the entire states for electoral votes for president, not senate or house

[storm garden]

and are the machines programmed to only count republican votes? no

[open cosmos]

That's what elon did

[storm garden]

so the internet has in no way, shape or form to do with the counting

also I believe ballots should be counted by hand

@storm garden there could be more subtle maleficence

[raven adder]

i mean it was never a fair race with elon and his mass propaganda app

[storm garden]

it may be a lot of work

[bronze zinc]

1968

[raven adder]

California red 😭

[storm garden]

bruh, Red California

and blue texas

[raven adder]

Texas blue omfg

[storm garden]

but Chad NY

[open cosmos]

Texas being blue forever would be based

Kentucky and Ohio as well

[storm garden]

I'd be content with Texas leaving the Union

not being sarcastic

[open cosmos]

Whole country just needs to be blue

[raven adder]

im trying to think about the combination you’d need to become president by winning the least amount of states possible

[placid jacinth]

I’m seeing a whole lotta shit that looks like it would never be possible

[storm garden]

The Dems aren't worthy of your love, @open cosmos

[open cosmos]

????????

Tf are you on about

[storm garden]

I hate the Trumpanzees, I'd kill them all if I could

but Dems are not the answer

[bronze zinc]

I hope you are ready for 7 dollars per gallon for oil 😭

[open cosmos]

Progressive liberals are the answer

[storm garden]

@open cosmosthen you need a whole new party

[raven adder]

canada should just annex all the costal states at this point

[storm garden]

should have taken the National Divorce road

[storm garden]

they need to take Illinois too

[raven adder]

and new mexico somehow

[storm garden]

New Mexico and Texas together go Lone Star

I doubt the bible-thumper Jesus-freaks can stand to be in the same country as Las Vegas, so Nevada too

[bronze zinc]

Not to rain on your parade but

[wide pawn]

Yeah the next Canadian elections will be a conservative landslide. They'll probably really restrict immigration while they're at it

[bronze zinc]

Nah they both favour heavy immigration

Both parties have the century initiative as their goals. That Is 100 million people in Canada by 2100

[raven adder]

whats that

[plain harbor]

even THAT is really hard to do

[plain harbor]

Canada is falling down the same rabbit hole the US is,

can they hurry it up. wtf is taking them so long stop being a lazy asshole and count

(i know it takes time, i'm joking)

[waxen minnow]

Man we are just believing anything we read on the internet today. Holy conspiracy theory….

Bad look for us

[flat coral]

312-226 is grim

[flat coral]

real like how are you gonna criticize maga for saying 2020 was stolen then say harris won

this was not a close race unfortunately

[bronze zinc]

https://www.newsweek.com/starlink-musk-trump-election-conspiracy-theory-spreads-online-1983444

As suspected, the origin of this rumour is a random TikTok account

It’s embarrassing how people will just share whatever tweet they can find that supports their view

[flat coral]

election conspiracies are dumb

[hallow epoch]

Literally no one gave a fuck when the plane flew over lmao

[placid jacinth]

It’s like if whatever Biden and Harris said entered one ear and exited the other for them.

“Idgaf what they said!! Musk rigged the election!” Type energy.

[gentle vale]

We have no evidence that they stole the election we would know if they did

[royal badge]

I doubt it was but still emphasise on the WE

WE dont have any evidence

[gentle vale]

If we accuse trump of stealing the election without evidence we are as bad as the maga who accused Biden of the same thing

[placid jacinth]

Exactly what I said earlier and instead of ppl going “ah yes you’re right, we should roll up our sleeves and not raise our hands!” They raised their pitchforks at me

[gentle vale]

Like I think it would be great if trump stole the election and Kamala becomes president but it is simply not happening

[placid jacinth]

Yea I mean it’s just not happening. Like chances are near 0 to none. Those who choose not to concede the results are no better than the maga droids of 2020.

[waxen minnow]

I mean Kamala literally conceded

If there was anything to the “rigged” theories she wouldn’t have done that

[royal badge]

They say she conceded to the electoral collage not the election which is stupid SHE LITERALLY SAID SHE CONCEDES THE ELECTION

[placid jacinth]

Idk why it’s so hard for ppl to just admit that the election is over and he won. Not what we wanted. Not what we fought for. But if we’re gonna be making false accusations on smth serious without any proof than we are no better than the 2020 maga droids and we certainly would have no reason to complain when they start saying the dens cheated when they win a presidential election.

[open cosmos]

He didn't win tho

It's not a conspiracy theory

Maga sucks and that's a fact

He literally made Harris votes not count

Starlink being used has been proven

Maga is a cult

[wide knoll]

By who

Can you show us an actual reputable source

[open cosmos]

https://vxtwitter.com/AesPolitics1/status/1855645495655301299

Starlink is mentioned by name here

[wide knoll]

Okay so Starlink was used in one county, how did this make Harris votes not count

[open cosmos]

Because elon controls starlink

Trump also admitted "you don't need to vote we have enough votes"

Weeks before the election

[wide knoll]

This is still a conspiracy theory

[open cosmos]

He's on video saying that

[wide knoll]

Still, you are trying to make it seem like Trump made Harris votes not count and that he didn't win. That is false, just as it was last election

[open cosmos]

That's fully what elon did

[wide knoll]

You literally have 0 proof of that

[open cosmos]

Elon admitted "if trump loses I'm fucked and going to jail"

[wide knoll]

Elon admitted that, not that he rigged anything, we really don't need to be casting doubt on the electoral system

[open cosmos]

Trump also had said that him and Mike Johnson had a "big secret" with the election

[waxen minnow]

Can we remove election deniers from the chat? The 2020 people were more credible than this

[open cosmos]

Nah

It's fully obvious elon helped trump win and anyone who doesn't see it is either blind or part of the maga cult

Biden won legitimately trump didnt

That's the difference between now and 4 years ago

Maga cult

[waxen minnow]

Registered democrat and Kamala voter actually but thanks

[open cosmos]

Ironic

[wintry remnant]

Okay, stop it.

[open cosmos]

Furrys are good

[wintry remnant]

That's enough from both of you.

[red flame]

um

https://tenor.com/view/kamala-harris-donald-trump-kamala-harris-gif-2927725582966939359

"election deniers" a homophobic, racist, transphobic convicted felon won rather than a overqualified woman... yes. this was rigged. ☠️☠️☠️

even if he did win by a landside, the reason its rigged and fucked up is because these mfs wanted a convicted felon in office and not a WOMAN who's not even close to being as problematic as him
anyways ... ill be quiet 😛

[pine quest]

i don’t think you know what rigged means

[open cosmos]

https://x.com/PopCrave/status/1851662730245308559

Pop Crave (@PopCrave) on X

Elon Musk says Donald Trump’s economic plans may cause “temporary hardship” for Americans in virtual town hall meeting.

Twitter · Oct 30, 2024, 4:29 PM

Anyone who voted for this is dumb lol

[pine quest]

yeah we've all already agreed on that

[flat coral]

claiming fraud makes you no better than maga at accepting the results

[flat coral]

none of us are happy that he won, but he did

[red flame]

i do though lol

[placid jacinth]

You clearly don’t

[red flame]

unfortunately

[red flame]

you clearly don't understand that i wasnt using rigged in the way that most of twitter and tiktok means. let's not 🫶🏽

[placid jacinth]

If you’re not gonna use it properly then ofc you’re gonna look like a denier of the election. Worst of all a 2020 maga droid. One thing to despise the outcome of this election (we all despise it) and it’s one thing to say it’s rigged.

[red flame]

im sorry it came across that way, i wasn't using it in the way others have been. i was just expressing how i feel. mb lol

[placid jacinth]

It’s all good dw, I get how you feel. I think I can say most if not all of us in here understand how you feel about the election results. It’s not what we wanted and it certainly isn’t what we fought for, but at the end of the day it happened and there isn’t much you or any of us can do other than to roll our sleeves and keep fighting for what’s right.

[open cosmos]

Or hope multiple states do a recount

[placid jacinth]

Or just or.. stop acting like a maga droid from 2020 and accept that trump will be our next president.

[red flame]

preach 🙌🏽

[placid jacinth]

🙏

[open cosmos]

Yes and then america gets fucked completely

No thank you

[naive robin]

recounts don't help anything at this point just drop it

[red flame]

low-key thinking of trying to become an activist because i have such a passion for fighting for what i believe is right

[open cosmos]

Millions of peoples rights taken away is not a future I want to be a part of

Country needs saved before trump causes any issues

[placid jacinth]

You say it as if we’re gonna be perm fucked up once he enters office. Which btw is not the case at all idk if you heard of the term reconstructing. Which is what will happen if America decides to elect a good president in 2028.

[pine quest]

america is fucked whether you like it or not

[placid jacinth]

We’re not going to hell forever lol

[pine quest]

a recount legally cannot be held when the difference in votes is this large

[open cosmos]

Yes once he's in office there Is no fixing what he's gonna do

[flat coral]

what’s the chance he gets jail time

[open cosmos]

Hopefully 100%

[naive robin]

there's a 'loophole' so there are chances but not like that helps

if anything vance will be the president instead

[open cosmos]

He fully said he was gonna be a dictator on day one

[red flame]

its ok his old ass will be gone by 2025

[placid jacinth]

If he gets sent to jail we’re fucked even more

[pine quest]

just accept it, vance would be worse

[red flame]

and let's hope vance just.... idk..gives up ☠️

[placid jacinth]

Idk how yall are not realizing this

[flat coral]

i don’t think it’s the end of the world but like it’s gonna be a rough 4-20 years or so 😭 and the scotus is gonna be conservative for decades

[pine quest]

kamala harris herself has accepted the loss but you guys haven’t

[placid jacinth]

Vance would make this country worse than trump

[placid jacinth]

It’s sad

[naive robin]

vance literally doesn't know what hes doing

[placid jacinth]

He’s just there to fuck it up that’s it

[flat coral]

trump is president until 2029 then vance likely runs in 2028 so worst case scenario he’s president until 2037 then we can elect another democrat and they can try to fix it by 2041 😭

[pine quest]

oh he knows exactly what he’s doing unfortunately

[red flame]

yup.

[open cosmos]

Vance Is gonna make being gay and trans illegal

[flat coral]

jesus christ we’re fucked

[naive robin]

i refuse to believe he's a person

[placid jacinth]

Let’s not go that far now

[red flame]

i wanna give up but ik that's not the good thing to do

[flat coral]

trump already said he wants the us to recognize male and female as the only genders

[placid jacinth]

It’s about how we get back up and fight for what’s right

[flat coral]

im hoping the american people wake up to how bad trump is and don’t elect vance in 28

[open cosmos]

Also yeah we're pretty much screwed

They're gonna make it so only Republicans are in all of the government

[flat coral]

I think we can flip congress in 2026 but the supreme court is cooked

[red flame]

yet again, preach 🙏🏽

[placid jacinth]

Not only will we realize how shit things will get but hopefully the trump supporters in the middle and low class will have an “oh shit..” moment.

[naive robin]

there's more chance that I die before scotus turns blue

[red flame]

this....is our president???

[placid jacinth]

It was all stated in Harris and Biden address to the nation after the defeat

[placid jacinth]

Yes.

[pine quest]

trump supporters wont change anything about their opinions unless the economy has a 2008 type of oopsie

[red flame]

her speech was beautiful, it gave me hope hearing her saying it'll be okay. and the end was just... chefs kiss

[red flame]

unreal lol

[placid jacinth]

It was beautiful. I loved it. I hope she’s allowed to run again.. but being very realistic I doubt the dnc will let her run again. Considering she did worse than Hillary, which still has me mind boggled

[open cosmos]

Oh yeah

Trump wants to force prayers in schools

Literally goes against the constitution

[pine quest]

hes not even christian 😂

[red flame]

seriously, she's overqualified and would be an amazing president. in an alternate universe she won and were all dancing and celebrating 💔

[pine quest]

like ive said many times before

what could go wrong with shoving religion down peoples throats and basing the country around religion

absolutely nothing im sure

[flat coral]

it probably will 😭 but then the next president will inherit it and get blamed by trump and co

[open cosmos]

“Anyone seen suggesting to children that they are trapped in the wrong body will face the law". - Donald Trump```

Absolutely braindead

[placid jacinth]

She’s very qualified to be president. But unfortunately our country doesn’t realize that and their argument is “why hasn’t she done all this as vp?” It tells me most of the ppl in our country haven’t paid attention to their Us govt class at all

[red flame]

exactly oh my gosh

this post pisses me off so much 😭 i fucking cannot with people anymore

oh no.. a glass of wine 😭 oh no.. she's spending time with her family.. she's so horrible 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[naive robin]

they be hating her for anything

[placid jacinth]

Damn it can’t spend time with family anymore!!!

[red flame]

no seriously oh my 😭 i just can't anymore bro.

[placid jacinth]

Thank god for the block button tho am I right

[red flame]

yupppppp 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

[placid jacinth]

🙏

[hallow epoch]

Bro i dont drink but like HOW STUPID ARE YOU to be insulted that someone is enjoying a glass of wine???? Like its not that big of a deal the woman who runs that account is an actual imbecile

She just jealous cuz her mom never spent time with her as a kid 😭😂

[placid jacinth]

That’s what those accounts want from you. A reaction.

[red flame]

seriously oh my gosh.. plus the poor woman DESERVES a glass of wine golly

[red flame]

clock ittttt

[hallow epoch]

Good thing im not on twitter! Lol

[placid jacinth]

Yea or you would be giving them exactly what they want

[red flame]

the only reason im on twitter is to try and find reliable sources and information for whatever, other than that I just view whatever stupid bs is on there and laugh my ass off

[placid jacinth]

Tip from someone who’s debated ppl on the past: don’t let twitter be your main source of reliable information.

Someone could tweet that Joe was rushed to the hospital and more than half the ppl on that site would buy it

The last thing you want in a debate is to go “here’s my source [insert twitter link]” and then have the other person say “and this news article [insert news article] completely disintegrates your claim”

Been there before. It’s not a pretty feeling. Especially when it’s politics

[red flame]

no trust me i do my research, sometimes it's either a hit or miss on X (normally a miss) but it can be helpful sometimes

[placid jacinth]

Depends tbh

[ocean barn]

I want a Nikki Haley presidency

[gentle vale]

I want Obama

I miss him 😭

I knowww

[wide pawn]

If Trump tries running again we should run Obama

[unique terrace]

He can't run again

We love the constitution

[wintry remnant]

Okay so I don't actually know the answer to this but

What if Obama became Speaker (or anyone else in the Presidential Line of Succession)?

[unique terrace]

lol. I think the 22nd amendment kicks in.

and it just goes to the next person

[wintry remnant]

Would it though

[unique terrace]

If you have already served the maximum number of presidential terms, you are no longer eligible to be president or vice president.

periodt

That's why there's a line of succession though

There's always somebody

[wintry remnant]

I have to read the Presidential Succession Act gimme a minute

Subsections (a), (b), and (d) of this section shall apply only to such officers as are eligible to the office of President under the Constitution

Fuck, yeah, you're right

We can't have Obama 3 😦

[unique terrace]

I'm not mad at that.

He is still technically a war criminal

as are most modern presidents

[wide pawn]

The constitution prevents anyone who's not qualifying from being president. It skips over. Like, someone that's not a naturalized citizen can be secretary of state, but if it comes to that part in the succession, they get skipped

[wintry remnant]

I mean

I'm gonna be a nitpicky bitch right now

[unique terrace]

do it

[wintry remnant]

The Constitution does not establish the Presidential line of succession, it's Section 19(d)(1) of title 3, United States Code

[unique terrace]

fair.

I was just referencing the 22nd amendment for elibility requirements

[wintry remnant]

Yeah the 22nd restricts Obama from running but the Presidential Succession Act is the one that skips him over

[unique terrace]

and THAT is why I'm not a constitutional lawyer

[wintry remnant]

I sadly know way too much about ConLaw

[sweet pond]

turtlebyte

turtlebyte's location is Makati, Metro Manila, Philippines. 🌍
It is currently 12:58 PM there (Philippine Standard Time). 🕰️

[wintry remnant]

I don't even live there

[unique terrace]

I don't even live

[fresh lake]

Why would they even employ Elon with providing that?

In all fairness, it runs over Elon musks internet service so it is pretty easy for him to make changes to results

[bronze zinc]

It’s a lie. The voting machines are not connected to the internet. This entire hoax about Starlink satellites being used in swing states has no proof and originates in a random TikTok video

As for Elon knowing the result 4 hours before the media called the winner, most people invested in the election called it long before the media. Me, I knew it was over for Harris when the Florida votes came in and I saw the gap between them. When Trump won Miami

[dawn sigil]

Bro istg

[storm garden]

name one accomplishment trump has done in the last 8 years

it's literally called KremlinTrolls the account

[dawn sigil]

Took women's rights away

Caused an insurrection and much more

[storm garden]

you better be joking

[dawn sigil]

?

It's not an accomplishment but he did that!!

[storm garden]

well they aren't gone yet

and I asked for an accomplishment

[sweet kindle]

half things trump claims he did are straight up just not true

theres a reason he got fact checked a trillion times during the Kamala debate

[pulsar iron]

Literally nothing

[storm garden]

or he was leaping on from obama

[pulsar iron]

He overturned roe v wade and tried to build a wall

[sweet kindle]

and now his plan is to ban immigrants as a whole

and be a dictatorship which could backfire insanely

[cedar wharf]

https://vxtwitter.com/blackknight10k/status/1855841861602078996?s=46&t=xNpQeQTS7WGrjVP5P4VhXw

I like this guy

[near wharf]

trump 2024!

[red shale]

I haven’t seen a woman this badly beat since the Olympics

[storm garden]

Guy who said your body my choice has been doxxed and his house is now tagged as a public toilet lmao 😭

[sturdy sequoia]

HELP

[storm garden]

1 stars 💔💔💔 guess the toilet must be nasty

[sturdy sequoia]

lmaooo well deserved soo

[limpid sage]

how third party voters feel after knowing their vote is being wasted

https://tenor.com/view/ginny-and-georgia-stan-twitter-salute-uncannyhexes-gif-23978115

[bronze zinc]

Why is it wasted?

How is voting for your preferred candidate wasted lol

[wintry remnant]

Chat...

[limpid sage]

bc yk damn well they’re not gonna win u might as well vote red or blue bc anything else is not gonna win

[bronze zinc]

So you shouldn’t vote blue in Texas or Florida either? Because you know damn well they ain’t gonna win

[limpid sage]

at least they get SOME electoral votes

not a single third party this year got a single electoral vote in any state

[bronze zinc]

They didn’t get any electoral votes in Texas or Florida actually

[limpid sage]

that’s the states problem

[bronze zinc]

No by your logic it’s the Democrats problem. They should just vote republican then, because dems won’t win anyways

This is why this logic is very silly. Voting for third parties should be encouraged because neither of the main two parties represent the working class

They’ve both been bought and paid for by billionaires

[wintry remnant]

Voting for third parties in a first-part-the-post voting system like the United States is a wasted vote since it doesn't further the cause of the party you're voting for and actively sabotages the chances of the side both you and the party are ideologically aligned with. Let's not kid ourselves here, we know how the world works. It's why the Libertarian Party and Tea Party are disdained by the Republicans and the Green Party is disdained by the Democrats. If either get too big, it just sabotages their "own." The Democrats want the Libertarian Party to grow bigger and the GOP want the Green Party to grow bigger. Not because they actually support them, but because it guarantees losses for the other side. This narrative isn't new and is well-understood by everyone except the yokels that vote third party.

[dim kindle]

But what if you don't like blue or red

[wintry remnant]

In that case such a vote has the same value as someone who didn't go vote but could've.

[flat coral]

I mean most people aren’t gonna agree 100% with either candidate

If you’re gonna vote third party you might as well not vote at all so it’s best to figure out which candidate aligns with you the most and vote for them

[placid jacinth]

Yea, voting for a third party is just an absolute waste

Seeing how many ppl vote for them genuinely makes me question America

[wide pawn]

In the 90s Ross Perot ran a very popular third party campaign getting nearly 20% of the vote

The result? Bill Clinton winning a landslide 2 elections in a row

Third party campaigns never work, you have to vote strategically and that means picking the major party that best fits your beliefs. The time to challenge the party is in the primaries, that's when you can actually change the direction a party goes in

Fwiw, Bernie would have beat Trump in 2016 ✌️

[bronze zinc]

Remember when the people wanted Bernie as their candidate and he would have won the Primaries but the DNC sabotaged him just to run a Clinton?
Yeah...you cannot change the direction of the party in any meaningful way. That's why solutions lie outside the 2 parties

The Democrat establishment would rather lose elections to Trump and his allies for the next 50 years than EVER run a leftist candidate.

Under Trump, the establishment remains safe and the money keeps rolling in

[wide pawn]

The DNC made some big changes after 2016

For the better

If Bernie won you'd have seen even more

[wintry remnant]

"The solutions lie outside the two parties" and "voting for a third party is an absolute waste of a vote" are not mutually exclusive takes.

[noble flame]

The whole deportation plan will fall if the “home nation” of the people don’t want them back. He just can’t load them onto a plane and say have this person back. He can open internment camps. As I was talking to a colleague about it. What could happen is that a “fire” breaks out and kills a three to four figure amount of people.

[bronze zinc]

The people being deported are citizens of their home nations. The home nations are legally required to take them in if deported

[raven adder]

https://x.com/aaronnarraph/status/1855962504712552829?s=46 this is super interesting

aaron from queens 🇵🇸 (@aaronnarraph) on X

AOC asked her followers who split their ballots either for Trump/her or Trump/downballot Dem to explain why and posted the replies:

Twitter · Nov 11, 2024, 1:15 PM

[lyric idol]

idrk how to feel about this https://youtu.be/niN_3nIOKW8?si=Y79rrXutZ6EJOooW

[wide pawn]

Its important to listen, like, if someone is voting for Trump they have reason. We need another Bernie fr

[near wharf]

KAMALA. YOU’RE FIRED!

[raven adder]

Bernie would have easily sweeped ugh

[wide pawn]

Yeah, 12% of bernie voters went to Trump believe it or not

[raven adder]

damn where did you see that

[wide pawn]

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds

[cedar wharf]

https://x.com/kequemage/status/1855850867481866657?s=46&t=xNpQeQTS7WGrjVP5P4VhXw

KekMagician🫘🆙 (@KequeMage) on X

PUSSY

Twitter · Nov 11, 2024, 5:51 AM

“Your body my choice” guy

[keen crane]

im not saying she deserveddd ittt
But gods timing is alwayss rightttt

[cedar wharf]

https://vxtwitter.com/rpsagainsttrump/status/1855839540222492862?s=46&t=xNpQeQTS7WGrjVP5P4VhXw

[dim kindle]

Well yep we going to kick out people sadly

We are at the beginning of the end of the world

[dim kindle]

But they shouldn't need to some if not most of those nations are horrible to live in just like how this place will be.

[dim kindle]

Ya but the reason why we have a two party system is because people don't want to vote the other partys but if we did then it could prove that this nation is not a two party system.

[cedar wharf]

I can’t wait

[bronze zinc]

A place being horrible is not valid reason to illegally cross a border

[hallow epoch]

https://youtu.be/HFI2XHPewGs?si=r-upoIzEPsjm8pk5

[cedar wharf]

They came from Mexico, we can drop them back into Mexico.

[unique terrace]

Y'all. Stop

[dim kindle]

It's because both partys suck and if people voted more on what candidate that ACTUALLY allied with there views instead of what they see on the news then we won't be in this predicament

[hallow epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/sxv-wtf-gif-23560064

[bronze zinc]

It’s important to remember that immigration is a privilege, not a right

[cedar wharf]

These people have no more right to be here than I have a right to be in Japan

[dim kindle]

So is meny other people including you and every person who isn't rich at tge moment.

[unique terrace]

None of us who aren't native have any more right to be here than they do.

And yet

y'all get over yourselves

[bronze zinc]

Citizens have a right to be in their countries.

[unique terrace]

borders are bullshit

nation states are bullshit

just let people fucking exist

[dim kindle]

Yes, it is. If it means sad, there's people that are dying and they want to have asylum, and if safe space to be, but if you want to be that selfish then fine.

[bronze zinc]

I don’t care about the philosophy of it. When talking politics we are dealing with a strictly legal definition

[cedar wharf]

The constitution says differently

[unique terrace]

everything is made up my guy

[bronze zinc]

Except it is literally not a valid reason. You aren’t allowed to move to a different country just because yours is shitty

[dim kindle]

Native americans were here long before us

[hallow epoch]

The constitution was made by people WHO DIDN’T FUCKING LIVE HERE FIRST AND KILLED THOUSANDS OF NATIVES JUST TO SETTLE THERE

[unique terrace]

I could give the fewest shits about what any of you say about immigration because our process is wholly inefficient.

[cedar wharf]

“My house is shitty, so I broke into your mansion” 🤡

[unique terrace]

so you're a classist

[bronze zinc]

If you aren’t interested in a discussion, then…don’t engage in a channel meant specifically for it?

[cedar wharf]

Yes. As is the story with just about all countries on earth

[unique terrace]

I'm not interested in arguing with bigotry

[cedar wharf]

Immigration laws are not bigotry

[unique terrace]

Just interested in showing you guys how insane you sound

Immigration law is bad

It isn't well done here

It needs to be better

[cedar wharf]

Mexico deports Americans every year

[unique terrace]

okay and so does every other country

[bronze zinc]

It is not at all surprising Democrats lost the popular vote. Their main base is not interested in debate, but in shutting people down with accusations after accusations. Keep losing that support y’all

[unique terrace]

lol. that's hilarious.

[cedar wharf]

“Zoning laws are bad, so I broke into your house”

[unique terrace]

zoning laws are bad

[bronze zinc]

Every single border district shifted red

Legal immigrants themselves have begun voting red because of how insane democrats are with the free border bs

[unique terrace]

zoning laws limit the equitable distribution of property for the purposes it's needed for

[hallow epoch]

Im deadass gobsmacked by all of this xenophobia

[unique terrace]

just like our VERY VERY SLOW immigration process and inefficent immigration beaurocracy keeps good well meaning people from becoming citizens.

[cedar wharf]

Immigration laws are not xenophobia

[hallow epoch]

No but what you SAID very much is!!

[unique terrace]

The laws aren't. You guys are saying that people don't deserve to be here.

[cedar wharf]

The promotion and raise process at my job was too slow, so I robbed a bank

[unique terrace]

These are strawmen

what is your actual argument

[cedar wharf]

No. We said they have no RIGHT.

[dim kindle]

Same these people are crazy

[unique terrace]

Give me your real argument bro.

[bronze zinc]

Please learn to process words better. Saying people don’t inherently have a right to move doesn’t mean no one deserves to

[unique terrace]

Please learn to articulate an argument instead of circle jerking with someone who agrees with you.

[bronze zinc]

If you are skilled, and not a danger to society I openly welcome you to come here

[cedar wharf]

They broke our laws and funded a violent criminal organization (the cartels) to get. What more needs to be said lol

[hallow epoch]

But it sounds like that IS what you’re saying though?? You’re talking about immigrants shouldnt come here because their country is shitty WHEN THAT IS LITERALLY HOW AMERICA WAS FOUNDED

[bronze zinc]

Please learn to have an actual discussion instead of crying “RACISM” when someone disagrees with you

[unique terrace]

COOL. I can agree with that, but what happens when the current system we have delays their court proceedings and the deadline passes and they get deported despite filing all of the appropriate paperwork and following the rules? Most of this is our own fault.

[bronze zinc]

Immigrants shouldn’t be allowed to come just because their country is shitty. But if they have skills in need in America, and aren’t involve in crime, we should make it easier for those people to move.

[cedar wharf]

“China was founded by men, I’m a man. I have a right to be there”

[dim kindle]

The thing is this deportation thing also affects you, because you are going to be kicked out just because your not white and you don't realize that.

[unique terrace]

xenophobia is not racism, but it's nice to know that you're saying the quiet part out loud now.

[cedar wharf]

I’m actually from the country lol

[bronze zinc]

Cite a single message I have sent that could be racist.

[hallow epoch]

WHO THOUGH?? Most immigrant come here legally and any undocumented immigrants have a percentage rate of crime that is LOWER than regular citizens! The onlt state that tracks immigrant crime is texas and even then they produce numbers in which shows that immigrants dont cause more crime than citizens!

[cedar wharf]

No one even mentioned race 💀

[unique terrace]

You're moving goal posts bro. Please just respond to my actual argument that I responded with. #1264648741684514836 message

[dim kindle]

You will still be kicked out he wants to kick out everyone who isn't white

[hallow epoch]

This is actually straight up racist

[drowsy blade]

#fuckracistandgenderphobictrump

[cedar wharf]

“I don’t do crime, so I have a right to live in China”

[cedar wharf]

How so 💀

[hallow epoch]

This is also mentioning race

[drowsy blade]

Id say genderphobic another way but yk..

[unique terrace]

nobody is saying any of these things.

[bronze zinc]

If they came to the country legally through a port of entry, and applied for all the needed paperwork, they should be allowed to stay and have their case heard. Like I said, we should make it easier for legal skilled migrants while shutting down the border through which illegal migrants cross

[drowsy blade]

@bronze zinc 1 Blocked Message

[hallow epoch]

Mexicans are like the first race people turn against when they are against immigration

[dim kindle]

Bahah

[hallow epoch]

But MANY people from all over the country immigrate to america

[dim kindle]

Yus go off

[cedar wharf]

Mexico is the country the immigrants crossed over from….

[unique terrace]

We SHOULD make it easy. They SHOULD be allowed to stay. But what I'm saying is our system is preventing that constantly.
There are legitimate asylum claims that are denied every day by people who just want to get away from the cartels.

[bronze zinc]

Mexican is not a race

[hallow epoch]

YO you do realize that boats/planes exist right??? People immigrate that way too. that is ALSO boarder crossing

[cedar wharf]

We’re not giving a Chinese guy a flight back to China. You came in from Mexico, you will return through Mexico

[unique terrace]

Can we stop arguing about race vs. nationality vs. ethnicity here? It's irrelevant to the issue of immigration.

[dim kindle]

It's it's like history is repeating itself, but instead of jews it's people who are a difference coler😭

[bronze zinc]

And if they have a legitimate claim to asylum, they are welcome to stay. Notice how in none of my messages I ever denied that

[cedar wharf]

They have planes in Mexico that can take them back to where they came from

[unique terrace]

My issue is that you're assuming that the claims are illegitimate a ton of the time. Nobody uproots their life and makes a journey like that with their children unless the situation is dire.

[dim kindle]

It's because they want to change the subject, because they know that we are right.

[cedar wharf]

I must have missed the part in history when millions of Jews spent decades illegally immigrating into a country. Can you point it out to me?

[hallow epoch]

People from other fucking continents come here dude?? Britians, germans, africans!! Like ANYONE can get on a boat/plane and come to america WHY are you always just bringing up mexicans as the issue??? THAT sounds xenophobic

Or is it cuz most the other countries are dominated by white people? And so you dont have a problem with more white people coming over?

[cedar wharf]

I’m not brining up Mexicans 💀

People crossed over from Mexico, so they will be returned to Mexico. How they get home after that is their problem.
If I take a flight to Germany and then illegally enter France. It’s not France’s obligation to return me to America. They can drop me off back in Germany if they want

[placid jacinth]

I pray the day comes when this damn nation realizes that voting for an independent is like not voting at all or burning their ballot

[unique terrace]

My neighbor growing up was a lady from Guatemala who lost her daughter and lived in a really terrible area and came to the US to build a new life for herself.
She didn't have an asylum claim, she had no formal higher education, but she was a hard worker and a good person.
She started a daycare business and took care of me after school in her home.
I helped her with her citizenship test when she was studying.
She got married and had 2 more kids.
She's living the best life now.

With the goalposts that you guys have up for "proper immigration" she may not have ever been able to even get her visa in the first place. Our immigration process keeps good people like that out of our country and keeps them from making it better.

Our immigrants know and love our country more than a lot of us born here.

[hallow epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/chick-fil-a-no-chick-fil-a-sauce-sauce-chick-fil-a-girl-gif-6292853182814460388

[cedar wharf]

Is America supposed to buy first class flights for illegal immigrants from China? lol
If that’s the case, consider me an illegal immigrant from Paris.

[unique terrace]

Nobody is asking for that.

[cedar wharf]

So what do we do with illegal immigrants not from Mexico. There might be millions of them

[unique terrace]

We need to build a path for undocumented immigrants (who greatly contribute to our farming and construction industries) to become citizens and document themselves without fear of deportation.

They're already living here.

If they become documented, then they can pay taxes

Do y'all not understand that?

[cedar wharf]

So, America is a free for all for anyone that wants to break in illegally?

[unique terrace]

They can have bank accounts and credit cards and cotribute to the economy

[unique terrace]

Gurl it always has been

get of your high horse

we need immigrants

[cedar wharf]

@unique terrace is America more a home the American people, or is it an economic zone for everyone who wants to come?

[vapid nova]

Birth right citizenship is so important as well

[hallow epoch]

Even if they are undocumented immigrants still pay taxes when they buy items like its called sales tax i believe???

[vapid nova]

the american people are made up of immigrants and refugees

[unique terrace]

American was founded as a business.

It's 100% an economic zone

I'm not super precious about it

[cedar wharf]

[unique terrace]

we were colonies bro

we were resource gremlins for the british empire

[hallow epoch]

Founded by illegal immigrants who wanted to get away from their cruel birth country too

[unique terrace]

Except not quite

[flat coral]

I mean theu can vote for them but it’s a waste

[unique terrace]

I swear immigrants learn so much more about our country during the immigration process than most citizens will ever care to know.

Can you guys tell me what the bill of rights has in it without looking it up?

Most new citizens can

I swear

[hallow epoch]

Pssh no, i forgot about that stuff after middle school xD

I forget most things i learned in school now lol

[unique terrace]

Right, because our public school system is built to pump out worker drones

but that's another discussion

eat the goddamn rich

[hallow epoch]

PREACH

[cedar wharf]

The year is 2234, the American people are being kicked out by an invading army.

“We don’t want to leave, America is our home business!”

[unique terrace]

Why are you making up scenarios about nothing?

when would that ever happen?

[hallow epoch]

You joke but people use the excuse they dont wanna leave BECAUSE their business is here?? Like what

[unique terrace]

You guys have wildly unrealistic fears

[hallow epoch]

Oh you mean the ENTIRE country

[unique terrace]

Most of us are just trying to find an apartment that doesn't cost us our whole paycheck.

[hallow epoch]

Me 😭😭😭

[cedar wharf]

You are ignorant of history.

Funny you mention the Native Americans being here first.

How much power do they have? When’s the last time you saw one?

[hallow epoch]

I dont even want to know where you’re going with that

[unique terrace]

the dude acting like I don't have any native friends

or that I'm not partially Taino myself

bro's wild

[cedar wharf]

What historically happens when a people allow everyone around the world to have access to their land?

[unique terrace]

Are you saying that all humans are greedy and selfish?

Is that what you're saying?

Maybe look internally at that bud

[hallow epoch]

What the actual fuck is wrong with you, so is this victim blaming now?? Should everyone just be mean and greedy and evil and keep everything to themselves???

[unique terrace]

wolfie, that's not helping either.

[cedar wharf]

Taino, they were native to Jamaica, no? How many live there now?

[hallow epoch]

How can you compare what happened centuries ago to now???

[unique terrace]

The entire caribbean

But a large number

Lots of mixing with the europeans

[cedar wharf]

A large number of Taino live in Jamaica?

[unique terrace]

and enslaved population

The entire caribbean bro

[cedar wharf]

Immigration laws are not greedy lol

[unique terrace]

That's not what wolfie said at all

Stop taking things out of context

[hallow epoch]

I didn’t say they were, immigration laws are needed but they also need to be FAIR

[unique terrace]

Are you saying that if given the opportunity, you would steal from people if you had the power?

Because again, look internally at that bro

Sounds like a YOU problem

Not an immigrant problem

[dim kindle]

Ikr the the contradiction lol

[cedar wharf]

“You should lock your car”

“Are you saying that if given the opportunity, you would steal from people if you had the power?”

I just know how history and humans work. If the American people don’t secure our home, then it won’t be ours for much longer.

I’m curious…why do you guys think borders and armies exist in the first place? lol

[hallow epoch]

Dude talking like the natives just GAVE UP all their land

[hallow epoch]

As if natives weren’t murdered and killed by the plagues the colonies brought with them

[cedar wharf]

The natives didn’t/couldn’t protect what they had. We should.

[unique terrace]

Borders exist because people have shared culture and history within them. They're kind of arbitrary. Like the states could all be their own countries.
Armies exist because for some reason we can't resolve conflict peacefully.

Frankly I think it's ego

[hallow epoch]

Now THAT is ignorant of history

[cedar wharf]

Borders exist because it’s a way for a state to say this is our territory and these our resources.

What you guys would call mean and greedy lol

[unique terrace]

I'm done here.

[gentle vale]

What did I walk into

[unique terrace]

I'm done being taken out of context

It's ok allie

Just leave the xenophobes be

[cedar wharf]

I’m trying to talk some sense into my naive friends

[gentle vale]

Do you realize they came and brutally murdered the natives. Christopher Columbus went from territory to territory brutally muttering them

That’s my two cents on the issue

[unique terrace]

Christopher Columbus was condemned even in his own time for his actions

Nobody wanted to give him resources after the genocide of the natives.

[gentle vale]

Yea for some reason people starting praising him even tho he used to be irrelevant and claimed he discovered America

[unique terrace]

Like, acting like that shit is normal

[cedar wharf]

Whatever the cause, the natives lost control of their territory and homeland.

[unique terrace]

Because a dude got too big for his britches

And had a superiority complex

[gentle vale]

Your not wrong but the way it was done was extremely brutal and not right

[cedar wharf]

Allowing mass immigration effectively produces the same effect

[hallow epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/chick-fil-a-no-chick-fil-a-sauce-sauce-chick-fil-a-girl-gif-6292853182814460388

[unique terrace]

No it does not

[cedar wharf]

It does lol

[dim kindle]

They couldn't because we took it from them we raped and killed them with our sicknesses we put them in corners of there land And tried to convert them and change their names and cut their hair. But you don't know that because you had an F in history so you don't remember that at all.

[gentle vale]

Wait what how did we get here

[unique terrace]

If only we had previous periods of mass immigration to compare to in our own country's history

wow

if only

crazy

[gentle vale]

I do agree with you Biden let the boarders be to loose but trump was to deport everybody including people who have been EHRE for decades

[unique terrace]

"but that's different because it doesn't agree with my beliefs"

okay bud

[cedar wharf]

I’m saying America is a home for the American people, and they apparently are arguing it’s a home for illegal people too lol

[dim kindle]

We TOOK IT FROM THEM for no reason at all just because we white men thought there was gold but instead all we found was blood on our hands.

[unique terrace]

and why wouldn't you want to share the advantages here with people who need them

[gentle vale]

They are still humans we have to treat people equally

We do need stricter boarders but the solution to that is not deporting everybody

[cedar wharf]

Because those advantages are for the American people lol

[unique terrace]

I'm just thrown that we haven't even brought up that a lot of immigration is because our own country has destabilized one region or another for our own selfish purposes.

[cedar wharf]

See, this is a disagreement. Counties shouldn’t treat foreigners the same as citizens. That’s absurd

[unique terrace]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change
I'll just leave this here.

We suck y'all

[dim kindle]

100%

[gentle vale]

Then what’s do you think we should do

[unique terrace]

why?

[cedar wharf]

Deport illegals and leave the door open for legal immigrants. This isn’t hard lol

[gentle vale]

Deporting all of them is unrealistic and cruel

[cedar wharf]

???

If a new industry develops in China, should the jobs to Chinese people or to French people?

[dim kindle]

But he wants to kick out EVERYONE that isn't white don't you understand that

[unique terrace]

But "there could be millions of them"
As you said

[loud coyote]

The reason that there are illegal immigrants is also because getting a green card is hard. You can’t treat the symptoms but ignore the root cause of what’s causing illegal immigrants

[gentle vale]

Some for them been here working for decades aka benefiting the American economy

[hallow epoch]

Ok and what do you call people who are just visiting then?? Like if i go to Spain should i just be deported then cuz i dont live there and dont deserve respect or the ability to walk around there country for a few days???

[unique terrace]

So you're anti outsourcing. Maybe we should talk about that in relation to American companies and talk about how corporations have screwed our citizens out of honest jobs because they don't want to pay them honest wages.

[dim kindle]

Also this deportation thing is going to fail because these is too many people to put into there buildings

[cedar wharf]

Not this again….

“Getting a raise is hard, so I broke into my neighbor’s house and stole their wallet”

[gentle vale]

Who is going to fill all the jobs that the illegal immigrants are doing ?

[unique terrace]

strawman arguments. all of these. stop.

[hallow epoch]

What are immigrants stealing from americans????

[cedar wharf]

Presumable you would be there legally lol

[gentle vale]

Because let’s face it a lot of the jobs illegal immigrants do are the jobs Americans don’t want to do

[loud coyote]

I’m not saying that illegal immigration is good lol I’m just putting it out there that you can’t talk about the symptoms of the issue (being the fact that illegal immigrants exist) without talking about why they manifested in the first place

[dim kindle]

This "house" wasn't ours to begin with its native Americans...

[unique terrace]

@cedar wharf can I get a response on this one because I'm actually interested in what you think here #1264648741684514836 message

[cedar wharf]

Sure. We can talk about the symptoms that produce theft as soon as you let go of my wallet

[gentle vale]

I miss Obama , Biden made the boarder to loose trump is making it to strong and Obama made it just right. Like that nursery rhyme I forget the name

[cedar wharf]

It is ours now.

[dim kindle]

It still isn't owers

[cedar wharf]

If we can keep it. You lot apparently want to give it away

[unique terrace]

You guys do know that corporations and capitalism are the reason why most of this is an issue right?

[loud coyote]

Idk what you’re attacking me for man, all I’m saying is that it’s not inherently good or bad to be an illegal immigrant/support them.

[dim kindle]

It NEVER WILL BE

[unique terrace]

You guys know that this infighting we're doing is designed to distract us from the real problem

[cedar wharf]

Breaking into a country because you want more money is inherently bad lol

[unique terrace]

That if we had fair wages that kept up with housing costs we would be more comfortable with the idea of sharing

[cedar wharf]

All the same..

[dim kindle]

We won't give it away we need to give back to the natives that we took it from

[unique terrace]

That if the rich paid their fair share of taxes, we wouldn't be struggling with school funding

[dim kindle]

Trueeee

[hallow epoch]

YES

[loud coyote]

lol that’s not the only reason why people immigrate

Sure finance is a huge motivator, but people come to other countries to escape already harrowing situations

[unique terrace]

Or have an issue with housing and supporting our poorest folks

[gentle vale]

We are going to struggle even more if trump dissolved the department of education

[unique terrace]

Y'all if you have a 9-5 we are all victims here

[loud coyote]

Like avoiding death in wartorn countries

[hallow epoch]

Most people who come to this country come from NOTHING and they need money to live

[cedar wharf]

What harrowing situation is there in Mexico? Americans go there to vacation lol

[hallow epoch]

FACTS EAT THE RICH, DOWN WITH THE BILLIONAIRES

[unique terrace]

even taylor. sorry boo.

[cedar wharf]

What are you basing this on? Economic migrants are not starving lol

[loud coyote]

Illegal immigrants aren’t all Mexican bro 😭🙏

[hallow epoch]

Yep smh but it has to be done 😔

[cedar wharf]

What harrowing situation is there in China?

[unique terrace]

You cannot become a billionaire without the exploitation of workers in today's world.

[loud coyote]

I’m referring to specifically illegal immigrants who have escaped (keyword) to the USA in search of basic human rights, safety, etc

[loud coyote]

Having a good job is just a spillover

[dim kindle]

Yee 😢

[gentle vale]

I mean doesn’t Taylor ou all her workers fairly to our knowledge?

[unique terrace]

Why can't we just fix the income disparity before we worry about these things? It turns out when you have a healthy middle class, a lot of these issues don't exist as well.

[gentle vale]

Like this is a honest question I’m not trying to agrue

[cedar wharf]

America is our house, not a safety zone for everyone around the planet lol.

If America has problems in the future, can 50 million Americans immigrant illegally to China?

[unique terrace]

So, Universal Music Group is in charge of all of her merch production and storage and they have a horrendous record with worker exploitation.

[dim kindle]

🤷

[unique terrace]

Somewhere down the line in every billionaire's income stream is exploitation

[cedar wharf]

What better way to fix income disparity than mass immigration of poor people 💀

[loud coyote]

Quite frankly I think you’re an idiot for that take but believe what helps you sleep at night lol

[gentle vale]

Ugh it is such a hard problem to fix because Taylor can really do anything about that issueb

[cedar wharf]

What’s idiotic about it?

[hallow epoch]

Its doesnt matter if SHE does, somewhere along the line of command people who work for her will treat someone unfairly and the lower class citizens will never see enough money to last their past their lives like taylor will

[dim kindle]

It's not owers we were not here to begin with

[unique terrace]

The corporations want you to target anybody but them, but go off on another group of people exploited for their cheap labor.

[cedar wharf]

That could be said of almost every state on this planet. It matters not.

[hallow epoch]

What the actual fuck

[cedar wharf]

They came to America because they need “basic human rights”, but they also are “exploited” 💀

[unique terrace]

She can. She can withhold new music from them (as much as the contract allows) until they fix worker exploitation on every level.
As a billionaire, you have more money than you will ever realistically spend in your lifetime. She doesn't need to make any more money to live a comfortable life.

[dim kindle]

It does actually because us as a country are trying to erase native american culture, and erase those people that are here.

[unique terrace]

Honey, we're all exploited as workers in late stage capitalism. But go off. Two things can be true my guy.

[gentle vale]

Also how can we trust trump to fix the economy if he has gone bankrupted six times

[hallow epoch]

He also inherited obama’s economy and then tanked that and its what he is gonna do again this time

[loud coyote]

Cuz the lens you’re looking at it through is narrow.

I will agree, America is the home of the American people. But also, not EVERYONE is simultaneously immigrating to America because their lives are in danger. There’s a reason why many countries have asylum systems in place.

And of COURSE Americans are also immigrating to other countries in search of better lives, it’s just the human nature; the grass is greener on the other side.

If you’re gonna talk about the influx of immigrants, legal or illegal, you also gotta look at the outflow of the Americans to other countries.

[dim kindle]

Yep

[unique terrace]

Let's not ignore the human rights crisis in our country as well. We don't have universal family leave for women, much less men who become new parents.

[cedar wharf]

Quick question. Does swamping their historical homeland with mass immigration increase or reduce the influence, agency, and success of Native Americans?

[unique terrace]

This is something that is standard most everywhere else.

We have so much fighting to do for our own rights here.

We deserve fair wages

We deserve dignity

[gentle vale]

Women need more leave and fathers as well. My dad only got two weeks off when me and my TWIN sister where born my grandma had to come stay with us to help

[hallow epoch]

Ok first of all colonizers didnt just ARRIVE and take up space, they fucking mass murdered and DESTROYED the culture and humanity of the native people

[unique terrace]

For medical reasons sure, but like even if you adopt, men deserve to get parental leave as much as women do to bond with their new child.

[cedar wharf]

Notice you didn’t answer the question. Does mass amount of low skilled immigration make things better or worse for Native Americans?

[gentle vale]

It is insane it is so hard to take care of a new child both moms and dad need more PAIDED time off

[civic barn]

This.

[hallow epoch]

Better because immigrants take up the lower class and hard labor jobs that regular citizens dont want to do and so it keeps up the infrastructure of everyday citizen, the majority of unappealing jobs are taken up by immigrants who just wanna live

[loud coyote]

Low skilled immigration? lol
This country runs off low-skilled workers, that’s America baby

[hallow epoch]

Oh my bad i didnt realize you were talking about natives, thought you meant just the regular economy currently give me a moment to think

[gentle vale]

They work the jobs Americans don’t want to do

[unique terrace]

@cedar wharf Would you mind telling me more about who you are and what your family history is so I can understand where your ideas are coming from? Like were you raised in a certain religious background? Was your family in the country as a result of the slave trade or did they come over later? Are you from the midwest/south/midatlantic? No worries if you don't want to.

I just really want to understand why you feel this way about immigration other than "but this is our country and it's for us"

[cedar wharf]

I’d argue you guys are looking at it through a narrow lens.

If 50 million Chinese people move into France, then they will take over and French people will no longer have their own country or home.

By your logic, this is okay because Chinese people are people too and they need rights and economic opportunities.

[unique terrace]

I'm so confused about all of these scenarios you're creating

[cedar wharf]

So what jobs will native Americans do? lol

[hallow epoch]

Ok thought it over: THE LABOR DIDNT MEAN SHIT TO THE NATIVES they were fucking murdered! The colonizers didnt want peace they just wanted to take over SO THIS QUESTION IS IRRELEVANT

[loud coyote]

What logic lmao

America is a huge country. France is the size of a pea

Have you considered that maybe there’s other factors into play aside from your “if 50M immigrants move into country X…”

Wait what if this is ragebait lol I’m done I can’t believe I fell for that

[hallow epoch]

Natives CURRENTLY are natural born citizens???? They do jobs just like every other chub does

[unique terrace]

wolfie, we're not going to change his mind. we just need to work on understanding now

[hallow epoch]

Your scenarios make no sense cuz that shit isnt happening

[unique terrace]

It's time to start asking questions rather than responding

[cedar wharf]

I descended from the American slaves, and if you want to be technical, I have a small bit of native DNA, meaning my ancestors have been here a long time.

None of that is relevant to my arguments though. I just gave you an example of how Chinese people would take over France if allowed.

[cedar wharf]

You are being short sided and delusional

[hallow epoch]

Says you

[cedar wharf]

Says all of recorded human history. Again, ask the natives.

“There’s only a few white men in a place called Jamestown. No big deal, they just needed economic opportunities”

[hallow epoch]

Dude acting like the natives knew what the colonist were doing

[cedar wharf]

The original colonist didn’t even know what they were doing lol.

Thanks for proving my point of being short sided. People can enter situations with good intentions, and yet…

[loud coyote]

Short sighted you mean

[cedar wharf]

The original colonist in America just wanted religious freedom. Look what that cost the native Americans

[hallow epoch]

Columbus arguable was the first colonist and he did know what he was doing, and he mass murdered natives

[unique terrace]

Cool (as in interesting. not cool because fucked up). Half of my family comes from the Caribbean sugar plantations. The other half from somewhere in the western NY region. So we have some common ground here. My family has been in the area for a while too. We both have some pretty deep claims of heritage to the Americas.

I understand wanting to keep your home safe. What I don't understand is not wanting to make it easier to help people in need. I don't understand the fear of being replaced as an American if we do let people join us here. Why are you so afraid of becoming a minority when you're already a minority?
I don't think the quarrel you have is actually with immigrants.

[cedar wharf]

That’s not America

[unique terrace]

Wolfie

It's time to ask questions

not respond

Because I legitimately thought they were ragebaiting before

And now I think these are legitimate fears coming from a real place

But not actually aimed at the real issue

[cedar wharf]

A lot of Latino men (a minority group) voted for Trump. Because they know what threat mass immigration poses to a population of people.

[unique terrace]

I'm talking about you

What is your fear here

My father didn't vote for Trump

[hallow epoch]

Still had a huge impact on the colonization of america sooo

[wide pawn]

The thing about America that always made it great was immigration. We welcomed people from all over the world to work and boost the economy. Start families, share their culture, boost industry, etc. That's how America became the powerhouse of the world. Now, every country has immigration laws, sure, but we shouldn't go back on the promise of America

[hallow epoch]

Cuz they think trump will leave them alone cuz “they’re legal and hard workers”

[unique terrace]

Y'all aren't listening here

[hallow epoch]

Thats it thats all ill say

[unique terrace]

It is time to ask questions and understand

[wide pawn]

I will say, democrats messed up on the border. There is an issue there.

[unique terrace]

Break the argument down to it's pieces so we can all get on the same page

[loud coyote]

Why? Lol, it’s clear what stance they have, and that no matter who argument they pose they’ll have a counter argument

[hallow epoch]

It just seems to me like dude is afraid he is gonna be the next one to be targeted if he doesnt side with the people already targeting immigrants but thats just my view here

[loud coyote]

Let sleeping dogs lie, some people just have a justification for what they wanna believe

[unique terrace]

I know what the stance is. It's just not clear to me why.

[cedar wharf]

America is not infinite. We have limited resources and power. My “fear” is that we are giving away what we DO have to a foreign population. And then what?

What do French people do when Chinese people own the place?

[loud coyote]

If your aim is to change their stance that is clearly not gonna happen here

[unique terrace]

It's not. It's understanding

[hallow epoch]

What do you think we’re giving away? If you’re so focused on the health of america why are you bringing up fake scenarios of france?

[unique terrace]

So you're afraid of resource scarcity. Like job scarcity, food scarcity, housing scarcity? Those things? Just confirming.

[cedar wharf]

This “fear” of mine is one that has existed for all of human history. This is why borders and armies exist. So I don’t understand the surprise here

[unique terrace]

wolfie.

[hallow epoch]

You said ask questions????

[unique terrace]

Those are very leading "questions"

[hallow epoch]

???

[unique terrace]

All I need is a yes or no here.

Just need to confirm that those are the reasons

[cedar wharf]

Perhaps if I bring up countries I have no connection to, you can see that this is an objective universal threat. And also stop talking about who was here first.

I noticed that the question was dodged. Should France allow 50 million Chinese people to move there?

[unique terrace]

SPEAKING OF QUESTION DODGING

[cedar wharf]

All of the above lol

[unique terrace]

Thank you!

[hallow epoch]

Im not gonna answer the question because im not french! I dont have any connection to them

[cedar wharf]

I’m trying to be forward thinking here…

[unique terrace]

I get those fears. I really do.

[hallow epoch]

I know nothing about their government or what they do as it is about immigration

[unique terrace]

Let's start with housing because that's a big one

[cedar wharf]

What happens when auto mation takes over and there are one X amount of jobs? We’ll be losing them to people who just got here yesterday.

[unique terrace]

Did you know as it stands now that we have enough housing to eliminate the issue of homelessness?

[loud coyote]

Look I get the point you’re trying to make but France has like 60M people bro 😭

[cedar wharf]

It’s telling that you dodge it 💀

[unique terrace]

We don't have a shortage of houses

The issue here is the cost

[loud coyote]

By contrast USA has upwards of 350M

[cedar wharf]

You guys understand what trouble the French people would be in, but you can’t imagine this same trouble for the American people long term. This is why I’ve been calling you short sided and naive (no offense)

[unique terrace]

Landlords whether they be corporate or small scale are largely in control of housing prices for those of us who cannot buy homes at the moment.

[hallow epoch]

Its not the same scenario for america tho??? There is nuance, 50 million people entering america isnt the same as 50 mil entering france, also yea sure “no offense” while using insults yea that makes sense

[unique terrace]

So, landlords suck, not immigrants.

[hallow epoch]

FUCK landlords

[loud coyote]

By that ratio it’d be
USA> 350:50
France> 60:8.5
in millions, which isn’t a bad ratio

[unique terrace]

Next one is food scarcity.
We have SO MUCH FOOD in the US, that we export a TON of it and still waste a lot of it in grocery stores.

[hallow epoch]

Did you know we have a vault of butter?

[unique terrace]

we got a vault of cheese too