US Politics

[wide pawn]

That's part of the reason polls are insanely conservative in results

[wide knoll]

So did Trump turn his account into a bot

[wide pawn]

... I think he did actually

I think i remember somewhere that some of his "Troth Sential" posts just automatically get posted to Twitter

[wide knoll]

39 likes 😭 trump fell off fr /s

[flat coral]

these 2 images are so funny 😭

[true swift]

There's already memes for it such as this

[rapid turtle]

Of course there is

[true swift]

Yep of course always got to have memes

[dapper sail]

Tim just like me fr

He looks like me trying to debate politics 😭

At least he was honest that he wasn't the best at debating

[flat coral]

yeah

vance had such a heavy advantage too 😭 law degree from yale iirc

i would’ve been terrified if i was walz

[dapper sail]

The VP debate I dont think will change anyone's minds anyway

In terms of VP policies, I agree with Tim Walz more than JD Vance

[flat coral]

same

[dapper sail]

Considering how the 2020 VP debate went out, doubtful 2024 VP debate will do anything

[flat coral]

my history teacher put it into words really well yesterday

vance wants to attack harris and walz wants to attack trump, but they can’t so it’s just kinda awkward 😭

[dapper sail]

Yeah Trump and Vance have interesting differences

Trump just yaps about random crap he sees on his Truth social page instead of answering the questions

[flat coral]

i feel like conservatives rn are playing off of people’s lack of knowledge of the government system by saying kamala should’ve made changes in the past 4 years even tho the vp does nothing

[dapper sail]

Makes me feel like the VP debate is meaningless then if the VP doesn't do much

They're just there to look pretty and split the 50/50 vote in the senate

[flat coral]

i don’t know the full specifics of what the vp does but i know they mainly just break ties yeah

[dapper sail]

I believe they also join meetings with the president and have influence on decisions

They're just there for the purpose of being there

They're also there when the president gets sick or steps down

I think when Biden had covid, Kamala took his place for a week

[vapid nova]

melania being pro-choice was not the news i expected today

[wide pawn]

Trump is also probably low-key pro-choice but the damage Roe did is already done

Random fact I just learned: both the people running for the Arizona Senate seat are from Illinois

[dapper sail]

Trump's personal opinion is pro-choice for people whom were raped, incest, or other medical problems but he still let roe v wade get overturned

[dapper sail]

Yeah I was oddly surprised by that too

[wide pawn]

Not just let it get overturned, he intentionally picked judges he knew would want to overturn it

[dapper sail]

Exactly, he opened the gates for it to get overturned

Tbh, that's the main reason I'm voting Kamala

[wide pawn]

Like, ACB was very much a pro-lifers dream choice for SCOTUS

Luckily, she's turning out to be a liiittle more moderate on other issues compared to the other conservatives on the court

[dapper sail]

The roe v wade overturn was too far in my opinion. It's been a while since I've ever seen something political actually make the biggest impact on the average life of someone in the US

only reason at the moment to vote Democrat

everything else is just a toss-up of opinions I don't care to indulge myself in

[wide pawn]

Yeah, especially because there's hundreds of videos of Republicans saying that Roe is settled law and would never get overturned. Even 3 of the conservatives that ruled to overturn it said that when getting confirmed!

[wide pawn]

Yeah there's a few issues I'm pretty moderate on but the fact is that democrats are kinda on the side of what I really value right now

And Kamala is doing a great job at moderating, I would have been bummed if she didn't take the border seriously

[dapper sail]

Exactly, I'm pretty moderate on most issues in the US but abortion is an exception cause that actually made the biggest negative impact on people's lives when roe v wade overturned

[wide pawn]

I can't believe were only 33 days away

[dapper sail]

Abortion shouldn't be politicized anyway, it should be more of just a morals thing

[wide pawn]

Abortion wasn't much of an issue 50 years ago, it became a talking point so Republicans can have an issue to run on. Boy did that backfire

[dapper sail]

morally I can understand being pro-life but not everyone has that same moral so I don't think it's okay to force other morals onto people via the government

Yeah definitely a bad idea to get into abortion on a political level

I was typing for so long figuring out what to say lmao

[wide pawn]

Abortion is on the ballot in many states this year

And in a couple swing states too, which would easily help Kamala with higher turnout rates

[dapper sail]

Definitely will help her

[stoic lodge]

Vance is a gaslighter

[weary coral]

They also replied to someone I know - but they don’t even live in America

[stoic lodge]

https://vxtwitter.com/taylorpopielarz/status/1841921975045808403

lmao bozo

[wide knoll]

did they just remove the other seats 😭

[wide pawn]

Kamala's social media is all over his small crowd size

It's giving me life

[spring dawn]

$750 wow kamala. what a joke

[sonic wedge]

huh

[dapper sail]

Lowkey that's massive

for a population that has 43k in it

Saginaw only has that many people so that is a pretty big crowd for that area but yeah he really needs to stop flexing how his venues don't look full

Me personally, I have better things to do than go to a political rally

[stoic lodge]

Barack Obama will tour swing states to campaign for Kamala Harris

[somber thunder]

I believe there was a falsely edited clip on circulating in Fox News claiming that Kamala Harris donated 750$ to hurricane victims, and trump posted smth about it

I haven’t read much about it but I don’t think it’s real, the 750 is for each person who needs immediate assistance, and actual funds are to come

Someone pls correct me if I’m wrong tho

[marsh panther]

Here's the exact wording from the fema site

One type of assistance that is often approved quickly after you apply is Serious Needs Assistance, which is $750 to help pay for essential items like food, water, baby formula, breastfeeding supplies, medication and other emergency supplies. There are other forms of assistance that you may qualify to receive once you apply for disaster assistance. As your application continues to be reviewed, you may still receive additional forms of assistance for other needs such as support for temporary housing and home repair costs. Learn more about the types of assistance available. If you have questions about your disaster assistance application and what you qualify for, contact us at 1-800-621-3362 to speak with a FEMA representative.

It is also worth noting the user in question who brought it up has said they are basically a Trumper in the past so I'm not surprised

[wide pawn]

Context matters

The Biden-Harris Helene response seems pretty solid

[wide pawn]

1 month away

I can't believe it's this close to election day already

[dapper sail]

As usual, the elections will make some people super angry and some super happy

and then we forget about it until the next presidential election in 4 years

Hot take and this is probably obvious for you all since it's coming from me, I don't like both candidates. I'm only voting Kamala Harris because of the roe v wade overturn

[nimble furnace]

surely the other terrible things trump has done should also be convincing you to vote for her??

even before roe v wade was overturned everyone in europe at least HATED him

[marsh panther]

i thought you said the only reason you were going for kamala is because of RFK dropping and going to team trump

[placid jacinth]

That being the only reason is crazy to me

[nimble furnace]

they voted trump in 2020 apparently too 😭

[placid jacinth]

💀

[wide pawn]

Let's be nice y'all

Anyway, I'm stressing hard

Trump's refusal to accept the 2020 election results is just so dangerous

[stoic lodge]

not just trump but everyone else who refuses to accept the 2020 election results

[vague canopy]

do yall think the indy shows are gonna be a problem

[wide pawn]

Why would they?

[vague canopy]

im going to n3 and its 2 days before the election

[vague canopy]

indiana's pretty red but ig indy is majorly blue

[wide pawn]

Eh, the city is blue

[vague canopy]

so idk

[vague canopy]

yeah so at least theres that

[wide pawn]

You'll be fine, wouldn't be surprised if there's a few Trump protesters outside lol

I'm more worried about her show in Miami tbh

[vague canopy]

true

[wide pawn]

Florida is Trump country

[vague canopy]

one of my friends is going to one of the miami shows

hopefully itll be fine

[stoic lodge]

ugh there probably will be protestors or some shit outside the shows

[wide knoll]

i think that happened at one show before?

[placid jacinth]

As someone who’s in Miami I understand

[stoic lodge]

maybe, but i expect more after she endorsed harris and trump threw a fit

[dapper sail]

Sorry, that's the 2nd reason

[dapper sail]

In terms of policies, I aligned with Kamala at a 63%, Trump 61%. It's not too much of a difference to make me upset that someone voted for Trump

I feel like abortion is the biggest one for sure that is the most disagreeable and most important in the current US political landscape

[placid jacinth]

Abortion rights shouldn’t even be up for debate. Should be basic women rights. End of story.

[dapper sail]

Let me rephrase, I didn't mean to say it was disagreeable, I meant that I disagree with the Republicans in office on how they handled abortion which is a very important thing so I'm voting Kamala this time

I think Kamala has some flaws that aren't pointed out enough and same with Trump. Trump is just even worse

[dapper sail]

Oddly enough I lean more democrat than I thought I'd lean but I have a soft spot for republicans that don't endorse Trump

I dont think every republican is a racist, sexist, or whatever buzzwords people throw at them. Sounds more like a stereotype to me

They have their ideas and we have ours, its important to discuss these things to find a middle ground even if we agree on things for different reasons

[dapper sail]

Yes, yes I did. This was before he went too crazy and started being ridiculous like not accepting he lost and the felonies.

[dapper sail]

Yeah Trump, as the kids say it, should take the L and go again

It gets exhausting to hear Trump bring up how he didn't lose and there was fraud like, Trump needs to give it a rest, it was 4 years ago 😭

He'd have a better shot at winning if he wasn't being stupid and annoying

[wide pawn]

This was Elon Musk at the rally today

I-

[marsh panther]

there's also the pics/clips of him jumping like an idiot and trump literally looking done with his shit 😭

[wide pawn]

This is the next meme

[placid jacinth]

Oh no I’m not saying you disagree or don’t or that it’s disagreeable. I’m talking in general in today’s society. Abortion rights shouldn’t be nowhere near debatable. It’s basic women rights.

[placid jacinth]

💀

No words at all

[placid jacinth]

Even bro is done with his bs 😭😭

[bleak thunder]

Why he look so devious 😭

[vague canopy]

no cause i thought that was photoshopped 😭😭

[wide pawn]

I swear that man keeps going from bad to worse

[west wharf]

It is.

But how many people on the internet are going to think of that possibility instead of immediately reacting?

But if you look closely, you can tell that whatever pic of musk that REALLY is,
It was taken inside somewhere.

Look at the lighting

Wait

I might be looking at a separate picture.

The one where he's jumping?

Oh, hold on.
They're both photoshopped

[west wharf]

Look at his posture

They swapped his face with someone else.

Idk, supposedly he was there but I don't believe either of those are real.

ESPECIALLY the one where he's jumping.

[wide pawn]

Elon really drives the whole "weird" narrative home

[marsh panther]

he was there

https://vxtwitter.com/atrupar/status/1842698651501470064

very much not shopped @west wharf 😂 😭

[dapper sail]

Elon looks very happy to be there

Dark MAGA 😭

[stoic lodge]

IF THEY CONTROL THE WEATHER THEN WHY ARE THEY ALLOWING NFL SUNDAY NIGHT GAME TO BE DELAYED

CHANGE IT BACK RN

[west wharf]

Yeah, I'm not going to watch that. But obviously he was there.

It's not especially important, at least as far I'm concerned.

I hate musk & 🍊 either way, both are horrible people.

The photos just striked me as off. Mainly the second one, as I've said
But everything about them is off, so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

My brain never stops going, does it?

[rapid turtle]

I thought trump wasn't going to do anymore outside rallies after what happened at the Pennsylvania one? Yet he's doing an outside one in the same place.

[wide pawn]

Are you surprised he changed his mind

He wanted sympathy for the first few days and is now milking it

[rapid turtle]

I thought it was him campaign manager that made the call to not do outside stuff. So I'm just confused.

[stoic lodge]

Trump is a chronic liar lmao

[marsh panther]

nah he's done a bunch of outdoor rallies since

they just have bulletproof glass in front of his podium now

[rapid turtle]

It wasn't the front tho. He needs full bulletproof

[keen crane]

i FINALLY found the ss i have been looking for 😭

[unique terrace]

omg. he is the nightman.

[stoic lodge]

Gotta love the irony of electric car manufacturer being so loved by MAGAs lmao

These people are DUMB

[stoic lodge]

Trump is unhinged

[wide pawn]

Ron DeSantis is rejecting calls from Harris over Hurricane Milton. He's calling it a political game

Like how tf do you criticize Harris for not doing enough for Helene then criticize her for trying to help for a hurricane like literally like 10 days later

For the record, she and Biden ARE doing everything they can for the hurricanes. But then you got Speaker Johnson saying they will block any new FEMA aid until after the election

Republicans are led by a bunch of sociopaths istg

[keen crane]

well yes

[unique terrace]

Blocking FEMA aid to make a point is fucking sadistic. People are literally dying and more will die without that help and from the coming storm.

[placid jacinth]

As a person who lives in Florida. It disgusts me that they are rejecting calls

[dapper sail]

Has Hurricane Milton happened yet?

[placid jacinth]

Absolutely fucking disgusting and inhumane

[placid jacinth]

No

[dapper sail]

Anyone in the Tampa Bay area, stay safe!

[dapper sail]

Yeah I can't stand politicians making a weather tragedy political

It becomes clearer and clearer that the two party system is inefficient even for the most obvious things like dealing with giving aid to the people affected by Hurricane Helene

That should be an easy bipartisan thing to do is give aid to the people suffering from the effects of the hurricane

[placid jacinth]

No. It just means that we have shitty ppl running our states being governor of our states like Ron. We just want humane ppl. Ppl who have human decency.

[dapper sail]

True, I'm not a fan of Ron DeSantis either

[placid jacinth]

Has nothing to do with the cons of 2 parties

Idk where you get that from. It’s just about electing ppl who will have at least human decency.

And Ron clearly doesn’t have that. At all.

[dapper sail]

It's mostly when you see bills being blocked whether that's from one particular party or the other that wants to block something from passing

It seems like a constant thing at this point

but that's the US government in a nutshell

Democrats want something passed, gets blocked by all the republicans and vice versa

[placid jacinth]

What I’m saying is that this has nothing to do with “the two party system is inefficient”. It just has to do with who we elect to be governor, president, etc.

[dapper sail]

Ah, okay yeah that's fair

[keen crane]

ITS SO SICKKKKKKK

like republican politicians are blocking bills to raise fema funds, and then republican people get online and start bashing kamala for it?? the call is coming from inside the house bruh

[unique terrace]

jesus

psychos one and all

[dapper sail]

Marjorie Taylor Greene votes no to everything thats helpful which is ridiculous

[dapper sail]

So I looked up why they did it and got this

I use ChatGPT for a lot of my research cause looking through websites that have 10 pop-up ads is annoying af

[unique terrace]

This is the most justified government spending we could be doing. The hell are they talking about?

The government exists to help us

But they never use it to help us

FEMA already has relief funds set aside.

But this was such a huge disaster

and we're about to have another

[dapper sail]

So it seems like some republicans didn't want to continue the deficit the US already has which personally the hurricane relief bill should be passed so whomever voted no to it, I disagree with them big time

[unique terrace]

You know what doesn't help the defecit? Military spending.

[dapper sail]

Fr, they out here acting like they can't help their own citizens

[dapper sail]

True, we're SOL unfortunately, Kamala and Trump support increased military spending

[unique terrace]

How about we use some of those military personnel we pay so much for to help rebuild and rescue civilians.

[dapper sail]

We really do need to chill with our intense military spending and use that money for other things to help our country

[dapper sail]

Fr fr, I agree with this too

[unique terrace]

Stop the military spending and use it for infrastructure.

Use it for housing programs

use it for school funding

arts programs

istg.

[dapper sail]

Anything that helps American citizens around the US at this point

[unique terrace]

exactly

GIVE US TRAINS

[dapper sail]

We don't need to surpass every country combined with military spending

Unfortunately the USA is mostly a military hotspot where 50% of the spending is the military and then the rest goes to other things

[unique terrace]

and even with all that, we still don't treat our veterans well

[dapper sail]

My theory on why they don't want to decrease military spending is that because the US intervenes with many conflicts worldwide. For example, India and Pakistan hate each other but they aren't at war currently cause the US exists to break it up

I saw something on Tiktok where if the USA didn't exist, India and Pakistan would be at war, North and South Korea would be at war, Russia would try to invade all of Europe, etc. Etc. But it is Tiktok so take it with a grain of salt

[unique terrace]

The frustrating part is that the Pentagon has like $4 Trillion in "missing" assets.

[dapper sail]

Yeah I dont even know how that happens

[unique terrace]

Like they don't seem to be held accountable

I know how it happens. We funnel weapons to people who aren't supposed to have them.

This is a well documented thing that we do

[dapper sail]

With the government having the top of the line accountants and top of the line everything, I dont see why we could be missing that much in assets

[nimble furnace]

ai can tend to have a bias so that’s probably not a good idea

[dapper sail]

That is true, I was wondering if ChatGPT was biased but I hear from conservatives that ChatGPT is "woke"

[unique terrace]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone

[dapper sail]

So it's probably centrist tbh

Anything conservatives call woke, its usually in the center

[nimble furnace]

it can be good to summarise things and then to research more specific things it says but to rely solely on it won’t give you direct or 100% true information

[dapper sail]

However some things on ChatGPT I didn't necessarily agree with when it came to opinionated things that weren't really political

[unique terrace]

y'all AI is stupid.

[dapper sail]

Yeah thats true

I definitely do a little research on the source that chatgpt uses

[dapper sail]

I think AI is great but also bad in the wrong hands. It also kills originality

There's pros and cons to AI

[unique terrace]

I don't do any research with AI. I use knowledge databases like google scholar to find peer reviewed resources.

BUT also wikipedia is great.

The sources on wikipedia are a good place to go

at least to start

[dapper sail]

Wikipedia is helpful but teachers hate it

Teachers hate Wikipedia's existence

[unique terrace]

Right because anyone can edit it and it's crowdsourced. That's the only reason. Otherwise it's fine and always links resources.

[nimble furnace]

ai is absolutely amazing for some quite specific things that would take humans ages to do, but i’m not really a fan of things such as chatgpt

[unique terrace]

yeah chatgpt is a toy in terms of the power of AI.

[dapper sail]

Makes sense

Yeah AI is in a position of a lot of suspicion cause it can do great things but also if it gets in the wrong hands, it could cause a lot of damage

[nimble furnace]

it’s definitely in the wrong hands atm

[unique terrace]

oops

meant that for meredith

[dapper sail]

I'm not sure what people use AI for thats in the wrong hands but I do know is that people can make some really disturbing things with it

[unique terrace]

AI can be a great time saver. Which is 100% what it should be used for.

[dapper sail]

Yeah thats what I use AI for as long as its trustworthy

[unique terrace]

It can scrape the entire internet for resources on a single topic so you can do research. Which there are specific AI models for.

[dapper sail]

That's my favorite part cause I cannot stand seeing dozens of pop-up ads

I should get adblocker again tbh

[unique terrace]

AI adding captions to videos is awesome. Accessibility features like this are time saving and really awesome.

[dapper sail]

True that, it's what AI should be doing instead of disturbing things like, yeah I can't mention it in here

[unique terrace]

Yeah. THAT.

It shouldn't be used to replace human labor though either.

[nimble furnace]

i went to a conference a few years ago that was mainly centred around ai, the things it can do it amazing

[unique terrace]

One of the huge things that's going to be part of how we experience AI in the future is how we regulate it.

We didn't regulate the internet fast enough to prevent all of the abuse that happens here.

We already see people abusing AI capability

[hallow epoch]

T H I S

[hallow epoch]

ALSO T H I S

[hallow epoch]

THIIIISSSSS

[wintry remnant]

Just when you thought that global energy consumption would finally decrease due to the decline of crypto, AI comes along and takes a fat fucking shit all over it

[unique terrace]

Google forcing us to use AI on the first page upping all of our emissions by default just so they can train their AI model.

[wintry remnant]

According to the IEA, a single Google search takes 0.3 watt-hours of electricity, while a ChatGPT request takes 2.9 watt-hours.

10x the energy usage of a Google search for just a ChatGPT prompt. Can you imagine the powerdraw of Midjourney or god-forbid Sora?

[unique terrace]

Don't make me vom

Corporate carbon emissions make me fucking sick

[wintry remnant]

I'm reminded of a line from Dan Olson's Line Goes Up with regards to crypto and green energy

So just to head all this off at the pass, Bitcoin and proof-of-work cryptocurrency aren’t incentivizing a move to green energy sources, like solar and wind, they are offsetting it.

Any gains made to clean energy for regular use are just being negated cause it's being used by AI

[unique terrace]

What's so frustrating about the green energy stuff is that setting up the infrastructure would create jobs, reduce our reliance on foreign energy, sharply reduce our emissions, reduce the local impacts on green space and improve outcomes for energy workers. But no. We won't do it because it's a huge capital investment.

[hallow epoch]

And i thought the government LIKED captialism

[unique terrace]

Like, we could turn Appalachia from coal country into a gorgeous green wind farm if a company was willing to retrain workers. Those people would no longer be suffering from their industry.

But improving the quality of life for your workers reminds them that they're not just disposable cogs in a machine. It's empowering. It encourages unions and worker advocacy.

So we can't do that

and it all comes down to individual greed and campaign finance transparency.

Fuck oil companies

[stoic lodge]

Who told them about the hurricane machine 💀

[marsh panther]

see the liberal mainstream media will try to tell you there is no hurricane machine

which is false

cause this is it right here

[dapper sail]

This looks fun to enter

With proper safety equipment of course

[vague canopy]

off topic but i remember having this at an old waterpark i used to go to and they had to shut it down bc ppl kept doing backflips inside the slide

[stoic lodge]

Sick

[wide pawn]

It was suuuuch a good line

[rapid turtle]

No because what's a concept of a plan???????

[hollow moss]

Kamala on top

[fresh field]

💀

[hallow epoch]

Thats insane

[wide pawn]

3rd assassination attempt against Trump. This is also the 3rd by a right-winger. Imagine having 3/3 assassination attempts by people from your own party

[vague canopy]

when? just now?

[unique terrace]

that's so fucking wild

[wide pawn]

When he was in California. A hardware anti-government registered Republican brought weapons to his campaign from Las Vegas

[hallow epoch]

This is so fucking suspicious

[placid jacinth]

I rlly find it hard to believe 3 times in a row it could’ve happened

[weary coral]

This one is a bit different though

[unique terrace]

no shots fired wiht this one right?

[true swift]

Yeah he didnt get the chance to do a thing

[hallow epoch]

Fucking crazyyyy

[true swift]

Yeah

[wide pawn]

The 2nd guy didn't fire anything either, just secret service

[placid jacinth]

Tbh this is getting suspicious

[wide pawn]

Its weird that every single one of these people is a right-winger

[unique terrace]

If there’s another one, then I’ll start calling fouls.
I think the man is a criminal but he doesn’t deserve to die for it.

[placid jacinth]

I don’t even gotta wait for another one to say this is alr suspicious

I told my mom and she thinks it’s suspicious as well, a lot of ppl think it’s suspicious

1 time alr yea you rlly hated, 2nd time mmmmm weird but ok…., 3rd time ok yea wtf this is suspicious

[cold bane]

Yeah and the fact that it was a registered republican makes it even more suspicious

Imagine Fidel Castro who had like 540 assassination attempts 😭

[hallow epoch]

3 times makes me think its inside job like what tf going on

[wide pawn]

They were all Republicans 🫠

First one, registered Republican. Second one voted for Trump in 2016. Third one also registered Republican

[cold bane]

Oh well

There are anti-Trump republicans but the chance of them being one is very low

[wide pawn]

A NYT poll had 9% of Republicans going for Harris

There's quite a lot of them. Turns out, lots of people don't like when you try to incite an insurrection to stay in power

[dapper sail]

https://youtu.be/adqQCw4vxmI?si=j_KL7kuXwU7YxG1b ah yes, u-turns are homophobic now

I sure hope that's not most of the democrats

[wide pawn]

I've never heard of this before lol

Okay it actually makes sense, it's not that it's U-turns themselves that are homophobic, it's that signs were put up a few decades ago to make it harder to go to LGBT places

Kinda an isolated story imo

[dapper sail]

You can turn around without having to make a u-turn to cause a traffic problem

You also don't have to remove every u-turn sign in the city

[wide pawn]

Was every u-turn sign removed in the city? I interpreted this as just a few areas

[dapper sail]

When they said "removed last no u-turn signs" I assumed they meant all of them in the city

[wide pawn]

I interpreted it as just u-turns specifically meant to deter people from going to gay bars

[dapper sail]

As long as it doesn't cause a traffic problem, it's not a big deal but if it causes accidents, that will be a big deal

[wide pawn]

But yeah idk, normally I'd say locals should deal with their own traffic laws

[dapper sail]

Its not like they couldn't just turn around without having to make a u-turn, just go straight, take a left and then another left and then a right to turn around

[wide pawn]

Its hard for outsiders to really gauge whats best for a community that you don't live in

[dapper sail]

Yeah I'm not from LA so idk what they do

But that's really weird to me

There's people in the comments that say they're gay and they find removing u-turn signs stupid

If it doesn't cause extra accidents, I guess it's not something to worry about I guess. Just strange to me

[wide pawn]

They did a lot of subtle things back then, I don't really know the details

Whatever the case, it's probably not a big deal

[dapper sail]

Yeah hopefully it doesn't cause any car accidents

[vague canopy]

"straight"
sorry thats not funny 😭😭

[placid jacinth]

Like I told my friend before the other day I believe there are republicans that actually want a decent person running for president but they just absolutely hate trump. So the chances i wouldn’t say are very low

[rapid turtle]

I feel bad for my roommate who hasn't been around the USA politics. Which is funny because she's a military kid but she has grown up in Japan and they are wildly different from the USA politics.

So this is the first time she's getting the true American experience.

[dapper sail]

Yeah Japan has multiple parties

here in the US, we have 2 dominant parties and 3rd parties have little to no control in US politics

Libertarians are the closest you will get to the 3rd most popular party in the US. They are small but they are against democrats and republicans. I don't align with them but I respect them

[weary coral]

It would be pretty obvious, you’d think k, to decipher which signs were put up for traffic reasons, and ones which were put up to stop people from going to one place or another

[wide pawn]

There's 22 days until the election

https://tenor.com/view/swifferpics-taylor-swift-22-red-gif-1907075279000853919

[vague canopy]

wow already

thats wild
i couldve sworn biden was still in the race yesterday 😭

[weary coral]

It feels longer than 2mths since he’s dropped out

[wide pawn]

Almost at 3 months

[sonic wedge]

https://x.com/spectatorindex/status/1845915261687550254?s=46&t=OKgFQFwX7rs9iGIFhc_5iw

The Spectator Index (@spectatorindex) on X

BREAKING: Fox News reports that President Biden told his National Security Council to inform Iran that any attempt on the life of Trump would be viewed as 'an act of war'

Twitter · Oct 14, 2024, 7:51 PM

[wide knoll]

i mean i would assume that iran already knew that

[sonic wedge]

fr but it's just wild that biden named trump specifically 😭

[vague canopy]

i mean its from fox news so idk how reputable that is

i cant really see biden saying something like that, even with his elderly-ness

[wide pawn]

My hot take: Biden is a much better president than people give him credit for

He would totally say this

[flat coral]

3 weeks

[dapper sail]

Early voting starts tomorrow for me

I bet it'll be packed in there

After the election results are finalized, cant wait for the angry Facebook posts from whichever side loses

I've gotten to the point where I dont care who wins but I still keep up with the election

[noble flame]

I think Trump is farting and even soiling himself in public more and more. There’s so many flies around him, they smell both dookie and death in equal measure. He is so cognitively impaired it’s insane that this race is so close.

[nimble furnace]

That’s mad

Trump will make so many peoples lives miserable

To be able to not care makes you quite privileged

[wide pawn]

I've yet to see a reliable source for this

But damn Trump fr is deteriorating

[wide pawn]

I think it's more of some people just feel defeated, not that apathy comes from a bad place

[nimble furnace]

They’d feel more defeated if trump were to be voted in

[wide pawn]

Yeah that would suck

The man is unhinged and clearly mentally deteriorating

[wide pawn]

I did not have former KKK leader David Duke endorsing Jill Stein on my 2024 bingo

💀

[sonic wedge]

you should care

not caring is wild

[left river]

It’s scary that the election is like 3 weeks away

America will decided who will be our president for the next 4 years

[dapper sail]

Yeah it's not like I am not voting, its just exhausting dealing with it

[dapper sail]

I mean, privilege is extremely broad, we all have privileges

[sonic wedge]

fair actually

[dapper sail]

Its just due to how toxic people are about politics

The nature around American politics is really toxic and it feels very overwhelming trying to find common ground with everyone 😪

[true swift]

Yeah sadly it's almost impossible to find common ground

[dapper sail]

Which is why I dont blame some celebrities for not endorsing candidates

Politics never used to be this toxic, I wonder once Trump's out of the picture, it'll be less toxic

[true swift]

Maybe

[nimble furnace]

you should care about who’s voted as president. do you rlly want one who tries to control women’s bodies?

[true swift]

https://tenor.com/view/who-you-talking-to-hayden-moss-sistas-who's-that-you're-talking-to-chris-warren-gif-355388964582561574

[nimble furnace]

this guy @dapper sail

[true swift]

Oh

[dapper sail]

Abortion is a pretty difficult topic for sure, I dont like abortion but yeah I dont think the government should be involved

[sonic wedge]

yeah its nothing to do with the government whatsoever

[true swift]

Agreed

[sonic wedge]

also i dont think anyone 'likes' abortion.

[dapper sail]

Yeah I hope nobody actually likes it. It's not an innocent thing but the government shouldn't have control over what a woman decides to do with abortions

Now we have to vote blue in the states to ensure we get back abortion

I think roe v wade is gone forever, either that or it's gonna be a long process to get it back

[nimble furnace]

i wouldn’t say it’s difficult it’s as simple as letting women decide what to do with their own lives

[dapper sail]

You see, many people view abortions as killing babies

Many people everyday protest outside of planned parenthood buildings

Which is the difficult part

[nimble furnace]

how can they be killed if they aren’t even alive tho 😭

[dapper sail]

If it has a heartbeat, it's considered a living thing

Its more of a catholic thing why abortions are cared about quite a lot that turned into a mostly republican thing

I believe after the 1st trimester, its not necessarily murder but honestly its complicated to debate about

I see pro-life buildboards on my way home everyday (I live in Iowa)

[sonic wedge]

no

if it can breathe on its own it is a living thing

[nimble furnace]

by this logic you’re saying it’s a parasite because it can’t breathe or feed itself, so depends on a host to live

[sonic wedge]

as a catholic, i would never base my opinions on abortion on my religion as not everyone follows my religion

[dapper sail]

I personally am not against abortion as much as Republicans are but I do understand their POV even though I don't fully agree with it

I just point out their POV to help understand why they think the way they do

[dapper sail]

Yeah same, I'm a Christian (non-denominational) but my religious views aren't aligned to political views

[nimble furnace]

i’ve been an atheist all of my life and i fail to see how religion or religious views are a government matter

[dapper sail]

I also believe it's the idea that it grows to become a living being is why they don't like abortion

[dapper sail]

Yeah I'm not a fan of religion interfering with politics either. The USA when it was founded made laws based off of their religious morals but it's not considered a Christian country

Religion still plays a huge part in US politics today despite it not officially being a Christian nation

Religious countries that make their politics religion based are all around the world and lets just say they have some harsh rules

So I dont think the US should follow the same route

[wide pawn]

Its not even really a heartbeat, it's cardiac activity. Brain activity is what would actually qualify someone as dead or alive. Someone isn't really considered legally dead until their brain dies. Fetuses get that at just after 20 weeks

[dapper sail]

That's fair, I think just after 20 weeks, abortion bans are more reasonable and understandable

the GOP should not push banning abortion so much honestly

many countries have some sort of ban on abortion whether the exceptions are to preserve the mother's life or just banning abortion entirely

we're not the only country that seems to have opposing views on abortion

[weary coral]

Is this source different from ‘The Spectator’?

[weary coral]

It’s 23/24 weeks btw

[sonic wedge]

idk i just found the tweet funny

[unique terrace]

literally a fetus is a parasite by definition. until it’s viable outside of the womb, it has to be connected to the mother.

[unique terrace]

In my (hopefully medically informed) opinion abortion needs to be legal at any point of the pregnancy in case the fetus dies in utero. Like, shit happens like heart and lung deformities that aren’t found until after a mother has to either deliver or abort because it died. I agree after a certain point (like viability out of the womb) that it should only be legal if medically necessary. But dismissing it as not being a medically necessary treatment is dangerous.

TRUE pro lifers support birth control availability and sex ed that is not abstinence only.

[stoic lodge]

Trump taking no more questions and just swaying for 40 mins to old ass music at the PA rally 💀

And he keeps playing YMCA all the time lmao probably because it says "young man" 💀

[weary coral]

Is the ‘answer 2 more questions and then music’ text real or edited?

It looks too funny to be real lol!

[stoic lodge]

I feel like real because the Moderator kept trying to get trump to take questions

[dapper sail]

For medical reasons, yes I do believe abortion should be legal

Even if you're 7 or 8 months pregnant, if you need it out for medical reasons i.e. the fetus does die in utero, then yeah I agree that abortion can be legal in these cases

[true swift]

Yeah for stuff like that and other things like assault etc abortion should be legal

[dapper sail]

I officially voted

I voted Kamala Harris. Ladies and the very few gentleman in here, I better not regret this

I was super close to protest voting RFK Jr but I knew the vote would be useless since he wanted me to vote Trump

[stoic lodge]

Protest voting lol come on

[dapper sail]

It was a thought I had

Both candidates were just that bad in my eyes tbh

But I'd rather not see a sore loser back in office again

[wide pawn]

Its a reason many people vote

I admittedly protest voted for the libertarian in 2016. My state is a solid blue state so wasn't worried about my vote helping trump but I was legitimately pissed that year

A vote is a voice. A protest vote is a voice.

[hallow epoch]

I mean yr right both candidates suck its just ANOTHER round of who is the lesser evil

[stoic lodge]

Former President Donald Trump will make an unusual stop in the Philadelphia area this weekend: to work behind the counter at a McDonald’s.

Trump will visit the state for a third time this week on Sunday to “work the fry cooker” as part of an effort to tamp down on his Democratic opponent Vice President Kamala Harris’ campaign message about working at McDonald’s while in college, according to a source familiar with the matter.

[wide pawn]

All because she left it off her resume 💀

I don't put Panera on my resume for my career but it doesn't mean I never worked at Panera

[stoic lodge]

Nothing good will come of it for trump

Everyone knows he never worked a day in his life. He won't be able to figure it out. OR if he does he will look sooooo awkward doing it.

Or if point is like see what's the big deal anyone can do it. Then he's pissing off an extremely large portion of workforce

[wide pawn]

It might look like a pathetic attempt to try to appeal to working class voters

[stoic lodge]

But you know trump won't frame it like that

[flat coral]

be fr who the hell includes a high school mcdonalds job on their resume 😭

[stoic lodge]

Like "after working the fryer for 30 mins I got just a little bit sense of idea how hard these workers work." That sounds great. Instead it will be like "the job was easy. Vote for me and machines will do everything. Why is this impressive?" And have a stupid grin on his face

Bro would rather work fast food than do an interview 💀

[forest heron]

girl what

no way people are actually believing this crap

[fresh basalt]

I think Trump is gonna get assassinated in 2025 and Camilla is gonna have assassination attempts but it’s unsuccessful

[unique terrace]

nobody's going to go after Camilla. nobody has given a real shit about the monarchy internationally since the early 2000s.

but totally the assassination attempts on Trump have gotten absolutely ridiculous.

[stoic lodge]

Aren't they all from his supporters too

[unique terrace]

they're all from registered republicans but that doesn't mean much.

[weary coral]

Who?

[fresh basalt]

Soz I mean Kamala

[unique terrace]

People don't have beef with Kamala like that.

[hallow epoch]

I am surrounded on all sides by trump yard signs and I hate it

I’ve never seen a political sign in a yard near my house EVER until now

[weary coral]

😭

[weary coral]

What state may I ask?

[unique terrace]

am I wrong?

[weary coral]

I was referring to the person butchering Harris’ name
I thought your response was quite funny

[hallow epoch]

Va, i live in a dead end street which is why i surprised by all the house yard signs

[stoic lodge]

Trump canceling rallies and not doing interviews

[unique terrace]

VA is wild. I'm in Arlington and it's mostly Harris signs up here until you get into the suburbs.

[cold bane]

Wait off topic but I lived in Arlington for two (non consecutive) years!!!

[unique terrace]

it's a cute area. very walkable

[cold bane]

Yessss

[vapid nova]

queen

[weary coral]

What does iktr even mean

[vapid nova]

i know thats right

[wide pawn]

I'm just worried about Trump's plans to overhaul the military, fill it with absolute loyalists, then use it against his political opponents

[true swift]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-huh-cat-huh-etr-gif-15332443943609734737

[stoic lodge]

I know that's right

[wide pawn]

https://fixupx.com/Acyn/status/1847024907521347765

Kamala's response to Trumpers at her rally is PEAK

[dapper sail]

Now that's messed up

[dapper sail]

Depending on the election results, this may or may not age well but that was funny

[stoic lodge]

It's hilarious and you know trump is rattled by it lol

[stoic lodge]

Trump has low energy! Sad!

[storm garden]

lets go trump!

[shut swallow]

Ws Trump

[placid jacinth]

Tf

[hallow epoch]

Tf exactly

[shut swallow]

LETS GO TRUMP 2024

[storm garden]

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU BUT IM PICKING DONALD TRUMP

[placid jacinth]

Picking for a guy with 34 felons to his name is crazy

[shut swallow]

GEORGE WALKER BUSH

GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH

[vale grove]

I have casted my vote for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz :)) in my opinion, I think they are the best choice for America

[hallow epoch]

Im not picking a convicted felon of all my options at the VERY LEAST cuz their are way worst reasons on why im not voting for trump

My god i cant spell lol

[vale grove]

Trump is a threat to America in my opinion

[wide pawn]

Trump is very much a threat to democracy. "The enemy within our borders". Sounds like literally Hitler 2.0

[shut swallow]

nah

[shut swallow]

shes losing

[vale grove]

Kamala Harris leading

[shut swallow]

https://polymarket.com/elections

hahaha

59 to 40

[vale grove]

We will see who wins this presidential election

[shut swallow]

its likely donald j trump

cuz 59-40

[vale grove]

But that doesn’t mean he’ll win the election, it could change in these next 18 days, ya never know

[shut swallow]

that doesnt mean kamala will win aswell

[vale grove]

yes this is true

[shut swallow]

JD Vance is chill

[stoic lodge]

YAWNY DONNIE

[hallow epoch]

Why are you here tbh like i just dont see how someone who supports trump could be here, like its not against the rules but im inclined to believe that like 98% of ppl on this server hate/distrust trump and ar eeither not voting for him or at all

Also i have a personal fucking grudge against vance that fucker

[unique terrace]

vance is dangerous. he's able to lie with a straight face. very convincingly. he speaks calmly. that's terrifying.

[vale grove]

This is very true and PROJECT 2025 plans to make Trump a dictator and weaponize the department of justice or something

[wide pawn]

Yeah because there's tens of millions of dollars being poured in from a few small groups

Anyway, these people are obviously trolling 🤷‍♂️

[shut swallow]

lmao

[hollow moss]

Kamala HARRIS💜

[vague canopy]

tim WALZ💜

[vale grove]

HARRIS-WALZ-2024💜

[dapper sail]

I mean, its fine if they support Trump. I see the appeal and see past the DNC fear mongering but I still voted Kamala Harris

In terms of policies, both of them I could equally agree and disagree so it came down to mannerisms for me. Trump obviously has terrible mannerisms so I went with Kamala

[dapper sail]

Shoot that's pretty close

[wide knoll]

not that the national polls matter

[dapper sail]

Trump and Kamala wasn't an easy choice for me but with everything else I chose Democrat

Likely none of them will win due to the republican nature that is my town however I will take my vote with pride

Tbh I have a soft spot for republicans as I was once one. I mean, there's republicans that just want the best for the country and don't see much wrong with Trump

[wintry remnant]

If they don't see what's wrong with Trump, things have gone wrong on a fundamental level with their politics.

[wide pawn]

Trump's election denialism being a problem is so hugely underestimated in the mainstream media

Like, he lied. He knowingly lied. He encouraged a riot to take control. That alone should be disqualifying. Yet, he still has solid support. It's madness

I like to think of myself as a bipartisan person. I think working across aisles for policy that benefits all Americans, rural and urban, black and white, religious and non-religious, gay straight, etc is healthy for politics. But election denying just tears at the very foundation of American democracy and I just cannot abide by it

[weary coral]

Polls really don’t mean much
+4/5 either side means nothing really - history tells us that

They always under/overestimate one side or the other

[wide pawn]

These polls actually seem very similar to Obama-Romney polls

This election feels very much like the 2012 election. A Democrat running a struggling economy where a recession happened right before a Republican left office

The polls greatly underestimated the Democrat and it was a solid win for Obama

Even though the electoral margin of victory was more for Obama than Biden, Biden's popular vote margin was actually more. Fun fact.

And Kamala is doing slightly better against Trump than Obama in the 2012 polls

Most polls now are using weighted recall methods to adjust for 2020 error, so I expect them to not be underestimating Trump this time

[marsh panther]

https://tenor.com/view/get-a-load-if-this-guy-this-guy-daniel-garcia-aew-mjf-gif-3847495386848208296

this dude really came in here posting betting odds as an accurate number

crazy

[hallow epoch]

Imo i dont think it is after all he has done

[nimble furnace]

i disagree with u there, trump will harm so many people if he’s voted in

[vague canopy]

das my city 💕💕

johnson should really tear down the trump tower aint nobody want that here 😁

[stoic lodge]

i im from there

[vague canopy]

twinss

[tender monolith]

KAMALA HARRIS 2024

https://tenor.com/view/kamala-harris-laughing-wineponmoo-gif-20007839

[wide pawn]

Chicago!

[stoic lodge]

Yes

[dapper sail]

I dont think he's that bad but he's bad enough for me to not vote him

Trump is unfiltered and I'm used to it

[vague canopy]

with all due respect he is that bad

[dapper sail]

I respect your opinion of course

[vague canopy]

with the summation of everything he's done and his wild takes

[dapper sail]

Yeah his mannerisms are terrible but I believe many still vote him because he maintained a stable economy with no wars under his administration

He had his ups and downs during his 1st term but I think the country would be in a better spot not having him in

He has many policies I dont agree with him on while same with Kamala, I think Kamala will be slightly better

[vague canopy]

yes i definitely agree with you on that

if hes elected in, im sure the overall state of our country would go a harsh drop south

[dapper sail]

2016-2019 wasn't that bad under him but then again I was in high school

[vague canopy]

yes but i feel as though hes gotten worse

i dont really remember that term tbh-

[dapper sail]

Yeah his mannerisms and the stuff he's decided to agree on has gotten worse

I hear he wants the Jan 6th rioters to be released from prison

[vague canopy]

especially with the project 2025 things

[vague canopy]

now that is wild

[dapper sail]

Trump doesn't support Project 2025, he supports his own agenda called Agenda 47. There are some similarities between the two but it is less extreme

[vague canopy]

i see

i havent read too much about agenda 47

[dapper sail]

This is just his own words though

To trust him or not is up to you, that's politics in a nutshell

[vague canopy]

right

[dapper sail]

We just have to trust they'll do things we want them to

[vague canopy]

i respect your stance, its so hard to pick sides in politics nowadays but its the norm now i guess

[hallow epoch]

Here is something ive seen thats like a small summary of what project 2025 is calling for

[vague canopy]

this sounds like something from some dystopian novel like the hunger games or 1984

how can people back this shit up

[hallow epoch]

Fr

[nimble furnace]

thats madness?? they wanna ban abortions AND contraceptives???

[hallow epoch]

Yep

[nimble furnace]

the religion stuff is also interesting

the page 319 one too??

its pure hate

[wide pawn]

They've already taken steps to make it harder to get contraceptives

This is what happens when you let a fringe, far-right fraction of your party take over

Hobby Lobby is the reason your employer is allowed to deny insurance coverage for your birth control. They took it to the Supreme Court and won.

That's why I'm never shopping there ever. And I love craft stores.

[sonic wedge]

are you a male or female

[stoic lodge]

““Arnold Palmer was all man and I say that in all due respect to women, and I love women, but this is a guy that was all man,” Trump said. “This man was strong and tough, and I refuse to say it, but when he took showers with the other pros, they came out of there and they said, ‘Oh, my God, that’s unbelievable.’"

[shut swallow]

TRUMP 2024

[placid jacinth]

💀

[shut willow]

he has to be joking

[weary coral]

Don’t engage with the rage bait

[dapper sail]

Male

[stable hawk]

wdym she can't legally?

[dapper sail]

In the NFL server, skulling means you're funny

This is why I self skull

[stable hawk]

ohhh.

i got it now. nvm bc of her age.

[dapper sail]

I only know that name because mixing lemonade and ice tea is called an Arnold Palmer

I work as a dietary aide at a nursing home so that's how I figured that out

[wintry remnant]

maintained a stable economy
Inherited Obama's and started a trade war with China which crippled certain sectors of America's economy
Analysis by Goldman Sachs in May 2019 found that the consumer price index for nine categories of tariffed goods had increased dramatically, compared to a declining CPI for all other core goods. Surveys of consumer sentiment and small business confidence showed sharp declines in August 2019 on uncertainty caused by the trade war. Analysis conducted by Moody's Analytics estimated that through August 2019 300,000 American jobs had either been lost or not created due to the trade war, especially affecting manufacturing, warehousing, distribution and retail

no wars under his administration
Extreme shortsightedness considering the complete pullout of Afghanistan was entirely Trump's idea what lapsed during Biden's term and the flagrant support for what Putin is doing with regards to Ukraine. And let's not forget the meeting with Kim Jong Un? Like...why?!

Like

At almost every turn, the support for Trump is absolutely baffling

Harris' skepticism is healthy but to equate the two so exceptionally unqualified as The Donald

It's insanity

[stoic lodge]

No

[open cosmos]

Trump and project 2025 are fully connected yes

Vance Especially has huge part in it

Their whole plan is literally getting trump in so they can invoke the 25th amendment so vance takes over and enacts project 2025

Don jr also was the one who picked vance to begin with

[wintry remnant]

The denial of the involvement of Project 2025 is an exercise in coping. If you had a couple dozen staffers and advisers during your First Term and then after your first term, they come together and write out a multi-thousand page agenda for the government. And you run again and when repeatedly asked if you endorse this document, you deflect the question instead of outright denouncing it. That's extreme cope to say it's not.

[stoic lodge]

It's called "weaving"

[sonic wedge]

https://x.com/popbase/status/1847806329953669474?s=46&t=OKgFQFwX7rs9iGIFhc_5iw

Pop Base (@PopBase) on X

Plane flies over stadium in Miami where Taylor Swift is performing her Eras Tour concerts:

“Trump 2024 - Ready For It. Cat Lady? MAGA!”

Twitter · Oct 20, 2024, 1:05 AM

why is this so funny

[placid jacinth]

The fact that this is going on in my city is wild, these ppl are so thirsty for attention

[void wyvern]

just cast my ballot in georgia!!

[hallow epoch]

Yassss

[forest heron]

On Project 2025

[vapid nova]

covid, and inheriting obama’s economy helped

[vapid nova]

vance supports project 2025

[marsh panther]

im shocked the whole trump mcdonalds thing didn't get posted in here

[unique terrace]

it got posted in meredith a bit back

[marsh panther]

fair

so so embarassing 😭

and it was literally all staged too

[wide pawn]

The franchise owner of that McDonald's is hugely against increasing the minimum wage

Their workers aren't being paid fairly

[hallow epoch]

WAIT HIM WORKING AT MCDONALDS WAS A REAL THING THAT HAPPENED?

[marsh panther]

YES

IT WAS A STAGED THING TOO

LIKE THEY HAD THE MCDONALDS CLOSED FOR HIS VISIT

AND HAD PEOPLE GO THROUGH THE DRIVE THRU AND SHIT

[hallow epoch]

WHAT THE FUCK

IS THERE VIDEO OF THIS??? PLEASE

[marsh panther]

oh multiple

there's a whole 30+ min vid of it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1Dp6Dn7eIk

[stoic lodge]

“Former President Donald Trump is accusing 60 Minutes of deceitful editing of our Oct. 7 interview with Vice President Kamala Harris. That is false.

60 Minutes gave an excerpt of our interview to Face the Nation that used a longer section of her answer than that on 60 Minutes. Same question. Same answer. But a different portion of the response. When we edit any interview, whether a politician, an athlete, or movie star, we strive to be clear, accurate and on point. The portion of her answer on 60 Minutes was more succinct, which allows time for other subjects in a wide ranging 21-minute-long segment.

Remember, Mr. Trump pulled out of his interview with 60 Minutes and the vice president participated.

Our long-standing invitation to former President Trump remains open. If he would like to discuss the issues facing the nation and the Harris interview, we would be happy to have him on 60 Minutes.”

[marsh panther]

https://vxtwitter.com/PopulismUpdates/status/1848081753585733778

[stoic lodge]

It was a closed ass McDonald's

[stoic lodge]

Trump failed to lead at difficult times and is not fit to serve as president

[placid jacinth]

This can’t be real 😭

[bleak thunder]

It looks so ai 😭

[placid jacinth]

It does 😭

[bleak thunder]

Buddy thinks he’s in college working part time waiting tables 😭

[marsh panther]

ITS REAL

ITS ACTUALLY NUTS 😭

[placid jacinth]

WHAT

NO WAY

[marsh panther]

yes way

he staged an entire fucking mcdonalds roleplay basically

had the mcdonalds closed for his visit

and had supporters of his go through the drive thru

[placid jacinth]

Bro knows he lost so now he gotta get the minimum wage job

[placid jacinth]

That’s actually insanity

I need to see a video

[marsh panther]

@placid jacinth

and here's proof of the mcdonalds itself being closed for his visit

https://vxtwitter.com/meiselasb/status/1848089525668442614

[placid jacinth]

“How much are you paying me?” Diabolical.

[oblique marsh]

when 538 polls says trump has a 52% chance of winning but this was their 2016 prediction….

[wintry remnant]

538 gave Trump a 1-in-3 in 2016 which was way way more generous than any other similar outlet at the time.

Also, polling had a reckoning in 2016 when they completely miscalled that election that they've been trying their darndest in the 3 elections since then to try and be more accurate

Every national-level forecast has the current race as being dead-even as far as the EC is concerned

Similarly, everyone also is pretty sure that the Popular Vote will go Harris' way (everyone said this too in 2016 with Hillary and they were right)

Both Fox News and CNN (at least on their respective website hubs) say it's pretty much a tossup as to who wins

[wide pawn]

Anything 40-60% is considered a tossup in their model. It's been in tossup territory for months

Polling is 2024 is largely using weighted recall to correct for 2020 error

So that's why polls seem so close. They're adjusting for polling error. Just look at crosstabs, some of them don't even make sense!

The good news is that Kamala Harris has made some ground on some very important voters

This might be the first election in decades a Democrat wins the senior vote

The thing to remember is that this election is not a margin of error: it's a margin of turnout

And kamala has gained on voter groups that are more likely to vote. Trump has gained on groups that are less likely to vote

Stuff like this is exactly why polling error is so common in modern elections. Old polling methods just called your landline, because those who picked up the phone were more likely to vote (which was more or less true at the time). Now they're having to adjust and have no idea who is likely to turn out or not

So yeah, polling in the modern day has way more error than we're lead to believe

[stoic lodge]

Trump doing a podcast with wrestler the undertaker lmao can't wait for highlights

[stoic lodge]

McDonald's Donald Trump worked at failed last health inspection

"worked" I should say as everything was staged lmao

[bleak thunder]

Has anyone seen musks newest thing 😭

[hallow epoch]

Oh god do i even wanna know

[stoic lodge]

Elon Musk, the billionaire founder of Tesla and SpaceX who's gone all-in on Republican Donald Trump's candidacy for the White House, is pledging to give away $1 million a day to voters for signing his political action committee's petition backing the Constitution. The offer is sparking questions among election experts about the plan's legality.

[weary coral]

But it’s only election interference when the Dems do it!

[vague canopy]

is that not election fraud..

[stoic lodge]

Imagine if biden was still running 💀

[dapper sail]

Biden would probably lose

Biden was not all that honestly and I knew that from the start. Kamala is slightly better mostly due to her actually being cognitively competent

[wintry remnant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bTpbDL5dcg

[quick carbon]

I don't think he can run 😭

[stoic lodge]

Thinking of that generation of voters who never had an election without Trump

[vapid nova]

me sadly

[stoic lodge]

This should be last one

[vapid nova]

here's to hoping

[stoic lodge]

Trump said if he won we wouldn't have to vote ever again so...

[boreal sage]

guys if you vote Kamala then this contry will go into world war 3🤦‍♀️ TRUMP FOR PRESIDENT 2024!

[wide knoll]

i don't trust trump any more to not start ww3

[placid jacinth]

No

[true swift]

Well North Korea is sending troops to Ukraine so things are heating up a bit so I don't care who it is can someone stop these wars please before things get ever worse

[placid jacinth]

I don’t want a 34 count felon in office. You may but we all sure as hell don’t

[vapid nova]

if you think trump could stop wars you need proper education

[placid jacinth]

The amount of uneducated ppl I see is scaring me tbh

[stoic lodge]

Trump would bring us to WW3 and side us with Russia

💀

[cold bane]

That’s satire btw 😭

But if it was real this icon

[stoic lodge]

I know

[cold bane]

Oh ok

[stoic lodge]

The truth is trump has low energy and is exhausted. SAD!

[wide pawn]

You fr?

The reason the US remains strong is because we have our western allies. Trump wants to start a trade war with our own damn allies.

You know how Hitler was given Czechoslovakia in the name of peace? Didn't stop Hitler was breaking his promises and invading sovereign nations in Europe.

It's scarily similar to Trump wanting Ukraine to just give themselves up to Putin "in the name of peace"

Tyrannical leaders stop at nothing. Putin has his eyes set on our allies if he's allowed to take Ukraine. Is that really the precedent you want to set? What has history taught you?

Biden was able to assemble a coalition of our allies to stop Putin from attacking democracies in the western world. Trump wants to dismantle that and leave America weak

The hell happened to the Republican party? Y'all used to love an America that stands proudly on the global stage as fighters for the free world

[marsh panther]

i honestly find it so so odd how recently in this thread you see people just popping in saying go trump this and that without any specific rhyme or reason

like no elaboration or anything

like what made this person who joined back in july and said legit 3 messages before that come on today and just post for trump out of nowhere 3 months later

it's quite odd

[true swift]

Yeah that is very odd

[open cosmos]

https://www.tmz.com/2024/10/22/eminem-introduce-barack-obama-kamala-harris-detroit-rally/

Based eminem

[hallow epoch]

Me unfortunately

[wide pawn]

Me too honestly, I was 18 during the 2016 election

What a shitty year

[hallow epoch]

I was 14 🧍🏼‍♀️

Crazy that its been four years since high school for me

[wide pawn]

I can't believe it's been 4 years since college

[hallow epoch]

Watcha been doing? /gen

Im mentally struggling cuz i dont have anything to distract me from my mental problems anymore

Ok just read an article name and its titled “worlds richest man elon musk says people should relax about the costs and just have kids: itll work out” crazy what the fuck

[wide pawn]

Electoral map after Tim Walz calls Elon Musk a dipshit:

Yeah he actually called him a dishit today at the Wisconsin rally

Fun fact, my best friend was at that rally 🤭

[open cosmos]

https://vxtwitter.com/MikeSington/status/1848387054566072397

Ah yes

4-5 hour long 40k dollar+ surgerys are happening in a 8 hour school day when you literally have to be an adult to even get those surgeries to begin with

Actually braindead

[marsh panther]

these schools can barely afford supplies and stuff yet he thinks they can afford sex changes on these kids while they're in class and stuff

this fucking guy man

[open cosmos]

Yeah lol

[hallow epoch]

Oh thats amazing

[hallow epoch]

IN SCHOOLS???? Bruh tell me you’ve never gone to public school without telling me you’ve never gone to public school

[open cosmos]

Yeah he's extremely dumb

And all his dumb supporters eat it right up

[hallow epoch]

My parents have a dumbass trump sign in our yard and I know that i’ll never be safe with them

[stoic lodge]

"He tells it like it is!"

You mean lie through his teeth

[unique terrace]

The worst part is I think he genuinely believes some of this.

[weary coral]

It’s scary

He tells all this and people eat it up!

[boreal sage]

if kamala is going to do the things she says they why hasnt she an biden done them yet?

4 years and she didnt do any of them why would she do them now?

[stoic lodge]

SHES NOT THE PRESIDENT

KAMALA HARRIS IS NOT JOE BIDEN

The Vice President’s duties are fairly specific:

1. Assume the role of Commander in Chief if the President is unable to fulfill their duties.

2. Serve as President of the Senate, mainly breaking tie votes.

[vapid nova]

biden has done many things l o l

[open cosmos]

The other reason biden and her haven't been able to get more done is because the Republicans blocking their bills CONSTANTLY

Due to the house and senate

Republicans are literally against helping make life better for Americans

[wintry remnant]

Trump: "Migrant crisis"
Dems: "Fine, here's a bill to make the border more secure than its ever been ever"
Republicans: "Let's not pass anything."

[open cosmos]

They'd rather everyone suffer

[true swift]

Only reason there blocking it is cause it's coming from the party they dont like

There like we dont like you so we going to block as much of your stuff as we want

[open cosmos]

All they care about is lining their own pockets with money and being terrible people

And going after and dehumanizing anyone who isn't a white straight male

[stoic lodge]

Why didn't trump do all the stuff he said he would when he was in office

[open cosmos]

They fully want America to go back to the 50s and 60s

[true swift]

Something called Covid 19 messed some stuff up I would say

[boreal sage]

could say the same about biden

[open cosmos]

And they want it so women and people of color can't vote at all

On top of being against education completely because Republicanism only gains support through ignorance and lack of knowledge

Hence why they see college as "woke indoctrination centers"

[boreal sage]

joe admitted kamala was behind all the things he did

[weary coral]

Vice presidents cannot take executive actions

[weary coral]

Okay this take is a bit extreme

[open cosmos]

That's not extreme that's stuff they've outright admitted

That's what they plan on doing if they win

[weary coral]

Reproductive - can it be argued that part of it is to control women? Absolutely
Has JD Vance said that people with children should have more votes than people without children? Yes
But they haven’t stated anything about ‘not allowing women or certain minorities to vote’

[open cosmos]

https://vxtwitter.com/BidenHQ/status/1809726568555561404

You were saying?????

[weary coral]

Geez

[open cosmos]

They fully want it so only white men can vote so they can be the only ones who ever win

Cause again

They want America to go back to the 50s/60s

[weary coral]

They contradict themselves a lot
Half the time it’s one narrative of ‘x group get more votes by y group get less’
And the other half it’s ’maybe you won’t have to vote in 4 years, I don’t know’

[weary coral]

Trump said something about it going back to the 1790’s, but couldn’t because of ‘woke’

[open cosmos]

Well yeah he's saying people won't have to vote in 4 years because he wants to be a dictator

[weary coral]

Dictator on day 1!

[vapid nova]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-man-no-man-no-gif-7347715096894588969

[open cosmos]

That's part of the whole project 2025 thing

[weary coral]

Also this guy, who is the head of the Heritage foundation iirc, is a guy

If you ever want to destroy your phone, search his stuff up

[stoic lodge]

Trump volunteered to pay for the funeral of a murdered U.S. soldier. When the bill came, Trump became angry. “It doesn’t cost 60,000 bucks to bury a fucking Mexican!” He turned to his chief of staff, Mark Meadows, and issued an order: “Don’t pay it!”

Eminem and Obama hell yeah

[hallow epoch]

Jfc

[dapper sail]

Eminem has always been against Trump tbf

This is no surprise, I like his music but not the way he tried to divide his community over politics

Eminem isn't exactly the most mature person to talk politics to

But then again, majority of people I've talked to tend to be complete assholes based on who you vote for while me on the other hand, I dont mind who you vote for as long as you have a reason for it that isn't intentionally corrupt or hurtful

I believe both sides have their things I can agree with and things I disagree with but as long as we can agree to disagree peacefully, it's fine with me

[open cosmos]

One side are the good people actually trying to make life better for everyone and the other side are wannabe dictators who want America to be a white Christian nationalist dictatorship nation

[dapper sail]

Depends on who you talk to tbh. Theres some Trump voters who just want a good economy back and believe he can do it while others actually do want it to be a dictatorship but I'd imagine that's very small

The Trump cult following is the most concerning thing with Trump while most of what both sides say to each other is blatant fear mongering

If Trump were to win, Project 2025 isn't something to worry about (he has his own agenda) however the abortion topic is the biggest concern that is why I'm going DNC route

I'm a moderate democrat and yeah Trump is not good but also the fear mongering is a little overboard and pretty obvious to me

But whatever helps Kamala win I guess, feels cheesey but that's politics in a nutshell, do whatever it takes to win

[marsh panther]

i mean you're saying it's "cheesy" for kamala to bring in eminem this and that while trump is doing podcasts with the fucking undertaker and staging fake mcdonalds roleplay as if that ain't 10000x more cheesy and embarassing 😭

[dapper sail]

That's not the cheesy part, it's the fear mongering that's cheesey

[marsh panther]

as if trump's fearmongering isn't worse?

[dapper sail]

Theyre both bad

[marsh panther]

he's literally spreading lies about shit that is just straight up not happening

[dapper sail]

Fear mongering is unethical and not very cool

[marsh panther]

no child is being sent to school and getting transgender sex changes and then returning home a new person

it's literally not happening

[dapper sail]

Trump's fear mongering is cringe too

[marsh panther]

schools barely got enough fucking funding to sustain their places etc you think they can afford to just fucking perform sex changes on kids?

buddy you're trying to play the "well both sides are doing it" tactic when one side is just saying/spreading the most batshit insane shit

[dapper sail]

Yeah Trump loves saying shit he finds on Truth Social and says it like it's true when it's not

Well, that's cause both sides are doing it

but yeah Trump's fear mongering is definitely worse

He gets all his stuff from Truth Social (his own social media)

and spouts it and makes people believe its true when it isn't

Trust me, I'm very critical of both candidates. I still voted Kamala at the end of the day (reluctantly but I did)

[open cosmos]

The dems aren't fear mongering they're literally showing all the batshit insane stuff the Republicans are saying and trying to do

The Republicans literally can't be in power or America is completely destroyed

The dems are trying to prevent hitler 2.0

[marsh panther]

fitting timing you mention hitler cause this came out i believe last night / today

Trump asked John Kelly, his chief of staff at the time, “Why can’t you be like the German generals?” Trump, at various points, had grown frustrated with military officials he deemed disloyal and disobedient ... According to Baker and Glasser, Kelly explained to Trump that German generals “tried to kill Hitler three times and almost pulled it off.” This correction did not move Trump to reconsider his view: “No, no, no, they were totally loyal to him,” the president responded.

This week, I asked Kelly about their exchange. He told me that when Trump raised the subject of “German generals,” Kelly responded by asking, “‘Do you mean Bismarck’s generals?’” He went on: “I mean, I knew he didn’t know who Bismarck was, or about the Franco-Prussian War. I said, ‘Do you mean the kaiser’s generals? Surely you can’t mean Hitler’s generals? And he said, ‘Yeah, yeah, Hitler’s generals.’ I explained to him that Rommel had to commit suicide after taking part in a plot against Hitler.” Kelly told me Trump was not acquainted with Rommel.

[open cosmos]

Pretty sure trump at numerous points in time admitted to liking a lot of what hitler did

[dapper sail]

From ChatGPT, this is what I got

and they say ChatGPT is "woke"

[stoic lodge]

Lol at you saying kamala is cheesy. Just look at trump

Kid rock and ANTONIO BROWN

[dapper sail]

I'm not saying they're cheesy cause of the celebrities they chose, I'm referring to using fear mongering tactics

[stoic lodge]

And whatever other washed up celebrity or artist who hasn't told him to quit playing their songs

[stoic lodge]

And trump doesn't fear monger?

[dapper sail]

I dont care about WWE wrestlers and other celebrities backing Trump. I dont base my opinions off of celebrities that dont have to worry about politics

[dapper sail]

They both do

[stoic lodge]

Republicans talk a bunch of shit and say how tough they are. But suddenly dems start doing it and Republicans start pissing their pants

[dapper sail]

Normal political behavior from Republicans as usual

[stoic lodge]

Remember when Hilary called trump supporters "deplorable"? She let em off easy

[stoic lodge]

TRUMP IS A CELEBRITY WHO DOESNT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT POLITICS

Trump has done NOTHING outside of president. No other political experience. Just failed businesses

[dapper sail]

Yet he is the RNC candidate so the RNC has no choice, it's not like I voted for him

I am more of a moderate democrat/centrist these days

I still voted Kamala, I just don't think she is a great Democrat

Obama was the last decent democrat the DNC brought in tbh

[hallow epoch]

While i mostly agree- democrats are no better than republicans they are centrist which means their just a lest extreme versions of republicans- they are still very much self centered and only care about what benefits them over the public. Kamala supports israel which means she supports their disgusting actions atm

I still VERY MUCH hate trump and will never vote for him

[hallow epoch]

My guy using chatgpt as a source is not very credible of you i gotta say

[hallow epoch]

Its so fucked 😭😭😭💀

There has never been a doubt in my mind that im voting democrat

[wintry remnant]

Thinking Trump is even on the same universe as any other GOP candidate is completely baffling to me

You're either rounding Trump up to an insane degree or rounding every conservative down because holy fucking shit

The complete and flagrant disregard to basic decency

Is not something to be emulated

[hallow epoch]

Wait im confused

[wintry remnant]

"Trump and Kamala are equally bad" like bro, one of them literally tried to kill their own Vice President

Like, you're joking, right?

This is comedy.

[hallow epoch]

Im not saying they’re equally bad tho

[wintry remnant]

I'm talking to the centrists in chat

[hallow epoch]

Like I KNOW he is like complete dogshit and so fucking insane and im much happier to vote kamala

[hallow epoch]

Oh ok i was worried cuz like am i being stupid sorry 😭💀

[wintry remnant]

The entirety of the GOP needs to collapse for like 3 administrations so they can get their fucking shit together and not be fascists

[open cosmos]

Yes

Make nazi fascists afraid again lol

[dapper sail]

They say ChatGPT is woke as well so I assume it's definitely credible

[dapper sail]

In terms of policies, yes. In representation, Kamala is better

[hallow epoch]

Now THAT i can get behind

[dapper sail]

We can't be acting like Kamala is the goddess of the DNC but she's better than Trump

Settle your egos ladies, Kamala is the 3rd democrat that the DNC has put up that is still bad but still good enough to vote for considering it's Trump they're facing

[hallow epoch]

No????? Its still AI and AI is so easily manipulatable its not a good source to get information for EITHER side- do proper research instead and stop giving ad cents to corporations that are stealing for lower class citizens and ruining the environment. Make informed decisions with MULTIPLE credible research sources and not just one google search/ai search

[hallow epoch]

I’m most definitely not acting like she is a goddess/they’re are PLENTY of things to criticize her for but she has my minimum respect for AT LEAST not turning into a crazed cult leader hell bent on ruining the country

[wintry remnant]

I literally could not give a shit about who the DNC is putting up

Literally a vacant seat for President would be better than DJT

A person in a coma would be better than that man

[dapper sail]

I need my information quick, I don't feel like going through 10 websites that make their websites slower than Neptune's rotation around the sun. AI is very good at simplifying information for me

[wide pawn]

Kamala isn't bad imo, the more I learn about her the more I'm impressed

[hallow epoch]

God i can not use the right theyre any time i write it

[dapper sail]

ChatGPT doesn't appear to be extremely biased

[wide pawn]

She's magnitudes a better candidate than Hillary Clinton

[wintry remnant]

Yeah and Clinton was herself multiple orders of magnitude better than Donald Trump

200% tariffs on all imports my ass

[dapper sail]

Yeah I'll give credit to her for not being a cult leader

[hallow epoch]

But you shouldnt SOLELY use that to make education opinions its not really proper and it just keeps people (imo) un education

[hallow epoch]

My problem with her mostly is the israel conflict (i promise i wont say anything more on it as to abide by rules)

[dapper sail]

Yeah you're right, I shouldn't only use AI (especially AI that's extremely biased) but so far it's been right on everything I've needed it for. Unless it starts becoming as inaccurate as Fox News or CNN, then I'll start being concerned

AI is a wonder when it's in the right hands

[wide pawn]

She could do a better job on it, but she's got the endorsement of large Muslims organizations in America. Particularly because Trump is wayyyyyy worse on Israel and Netanyahu is a snake that wants Trump to win

[wintry remnant]

Remember when Trump could've won if only he didn't actively literally let his voterbase die off in 2020 but he's actually just a stupid manipulable imbecile that is still to this day running around spouting nonsense about Haitian immigrants? The man who drew on a fucking weather map in a sharpie? The one whose appointed officers in their first term are either jailed or actively disavowing him?

Like literally be for real

The man is a joke.

And always has been.

[dapper sail]

Yeah the tariff taxes are making electrionics more expensive which is another good reason for me to stick with Kamala

[hallow epoch]

Always will be

[wintry remnant]

"Have we considered nuking the hurricane?" Like give me a fucking break.

[wide pawn]

His mass deportation plan is absolutely terrible. American infrastructure relies heavily on undocumented workers. Many of which are married to American citizens, work vital jobs, and overall the implementation of such a policy would be a huge invasion of privacy.

[hallow epoch]

UR SHITTING ME HE ACTUALLY SAID THAT??

[dapper sail]

Trump should've stuck to reality tv tbh

[wide pawn]

Yeah basically

[wintry remnant]

He actually fucking said that during his presidency, yes. It was about the same time he drew on the weather map with a sharpie.

[hallow epoch]

Im - i dont even know how to respond to that tbh im gobsmacked

[wide pawn]

I mean, are you surprised?

[hallow epoch]

No but like its still like crazy stupid yaknow what i mean?

[dapper sail]

Illegal immigration is still wrong to be fair however the pathway to citizenship in the US could be a lot better

[open cosmos]

All trump does is lie yes

His cult eats up everything he says no matter how false it is

[wintry remnant]

He was ambivalent to the mere idea of Pence being killed by a mob he himself stirred up should tell you all you need to know

[hallow epoch]

I deadass rather have illegal immigrants in this country than nazis

[wintry remnant]

He doesn't care about anyone else but himself.

[wide pawn]

Border security is important, handling illegal immigrants that are already here is a very different ballpark. I think too many people equate the 2

[dapper sail]

Fair, I don't think having Nazi's are a good idea

[wintry remnant]

Trump went golfing more days in total in 4 years of his presidency than Obama in 8 years.

[dapper sail]

That's true, if you were born here from an illegal immigrant, they should be US citizens cause they couldn't control that they were born here

[hallow epoch]

Bro i hate this man so much

[wintry remnant]

At least Obama didn't fucking profit off of it. Trump visited his own fucking resorts and courses and still charged full price and even at a premium.

[wide pawn]

I remember Republicans talking nonstop about Obama golfing. Like it was a Fox News headline literally everyday. Not a word when Trump more than doubled Obama's golf time in half the time

[dapper sail]

If you were born in the US but it was due to an illegal immigrant crossing the border, it's only fair to give the one born here citizenship

[dapper sail]

but also give the opportunity to the mother as long as they havent committed any crimes to give them a pathway towards citizenship

[hallow epoch]

Man i genuinely wanna stay up and talk about this more cuz i like the conversation but i really should try and go to sleep cuz its 1am night yall 😭🫡

[wintry remnant]

Woah it's almost as if immigrants are disproportionatly less likely to commit crimes (not including illegal immigration itself)

Which woah, it is!

[open cosmos]

Honestly this might be a hot take but

I don't care whether someone is legally vs illegally here

As long as they're like willing to work and not break laws etc then it shouldn't matter lol

[wide pawn]

Like, the reason I trust Harris more on border security is because she actually was a prosecutor and AG in a border state and prosecuted gang members and transnational criminals. Trump just locked up children and separated them from their families. One tackles criminals, the other traumatizes children.

[hallow epoch]

Like technically all us whities are illegal immigrants cuz we stole this land from indigenous people

[open cosmos]

That too yeah

[dapper sail]

That's fair, I'm no snitch so if I did see an illegal immigrant, I'm not gonna call in ICE so socially I don't really care but politically I see where people come from

[open cosmos]

America is literally stolen land

[wintry remnant]

Migrant crime is not real because crime statistics nationally don't record someone's immigration status! The only place that does record it is fuckin' Texas and guess what: they found that immigrants were significantly less likely to commit violent crimes What?!?! The Republicans lying about yet another thing? Say it isn't so!

[wide pawn]

For the record, Trump was a big pusher of Obama's birth certificate skepticism. If Obama was the child of 2 European immigrants, there would not be a single question about his citizenship. We all know why they doubted Obama's citizenship...

[dapper sail]

every piece of land was stolen/conqured at some point with the exception of a couple countries probably

but yeah I see what you mean

[hallow epoch]

BRUH I FUCKING REMEMBER THAT- I THOUGHT THAY WAS CRAZY

[open cosmos]

Yeah the whole obama birth certificate thing was fully rooted in racism

That's all It was

[wintry remnant]

Trump? Racist? I'm shocked. Gobsmacked.

[dapper sail]

I could see it being rooted into racism since I haven't seen any other reason as to why he'd be asking for Obama's birth certificate

[hallow epoch]

I just love using the word gobsmacked

[hallow epoch]

You could see it???? How is it not so obviously racist

[wide pawn]

Like, people need to understand that illegal immigration is nuanced but also a backbone of American infrastructure. Removing a huge chunk of labor force from vital industries like agriculture would cripple American infrastructure. This isn't something that would benefit literally anyone in America

[hallow epoch]

Sorry not tryna be so aggressive but like come on

[wide pawn]

Not to mention this whole "illegal immigrants voting" BS. There's been literally no evidence of widespread voter fraud from non-citizens. It's already illegal for them to vote in federal elections. They found like... 10 cases in the last 40 years of that actually happening?

[dapper sail]

I've never actually looked up why he thought that in the first place. It's pretty random but I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt as well about things that he thought that for other reasons.

The rumor has been around for so long that other people I think jumped on the bandwagon before Trump thought about that

[open cosmos]

He thought it because he is racist

[wide pawn]

I'm a child of 2 European immigrants, born in America. Nobody would ever question my citizenship. Literally the only factor is skin color

[hallow epoch]

THEY LITERALLY CANT VOTE i’ve volunteered at a voting poll before!! Its like VERY hard for someone who isnt illegible to vote- to actually vote

[wintry remnant]

If he stopped doing racist shit in the following 16 years, then maybe you could give the benefit of the doubt that Trump is racist.

[wide pawn]

Yup... doesn't stop these dumbass conspiracy theorists from jumping to conclusions

My god, the amount of people that don't understand how government works is actually scary

[wintry remnant]

But sadly all his actions in the years 2008 through the present day kind of solidify he's racist

[dapper sail]

The whole Obama claims started from something called "birther" claims from other conspiracy theoriests in 2008 before Trump jumped onto that bandwagon

[wide pawn]

Trump didn't start it, but he sure pushed it

[hallow epoch]

Correct me if im wrong but isnt it more common for election fraud to be people using dead peoples names and contacts to make a vote?? Like dont trust me here saying this cuz i cant remember where i got it from but like i heard its common

[wintry remnant]

Litrally today

[hallow epoch]

Like “freedom of speech” doesnt mean you can say whatever you want 💀

[wide pawn]

I think most of those cases turned out to be people who voted then died before election day. Not that it doesn't happen but that's probably the easiest way... if it does happen

[wintry remnant]

Most cases of Election Fraud in the last 4 elections have been committed by Republicans.

[wide pawn]

Trump can say he wants the kind of generals that Hitler had and still not lose support.

I thought he was joking in 2015 when he said he can shoot someone on 5th Avenue and not lose support. Nope. He was 110% right.

[hallow epoch]

Oh i dont doubt that but i was just theorizing the method that ive read somewhere

[dapper sail]

One of the main aspects was racial motivation so yeah you're right about that. Now I don't necessarily know why Trump jumped on the bandwagon with those conspiracy theorists but it is said that he was using it as political advantage

[hallow epoch]

Im not 100% knowledgable tho

[dapper sail]

You could definitely make an argument about him being racist for supporting that theory