US Politics

[hidden dragon]

His advertisement team is failing

[wide pawn]

Harris has some goooood ads out

Some of them are so easy too. They just use Trump's real words

[open cosmos]

https://vxtwitter.com/KamalaHQ/status/1840526130031317329

[true swift]

The Purge just 1 hour instead of 7

[hidden dragon]

the Kamala propaganda that uses Beyoncé’s song goes hard

[placid jacinth]

“They want to destroy our country” the amount of times this mf has said that 💀

[open cosmos]

https://vxtwitter.com/MrsGeotech/status/1840353322605174829

[stoic lodge]

Not trump calling for a purge day 💀

[wide pawn]

... we're in a simulation

No way this is reality

[stoic lodge]

https://vxtwitter.com/Acyn/status/1839817819070071073

[dapper sail]

That is a pretty broad question to be fair cause she didn't specify the type of jobs however Trump really loves dodging questions

[stoic lodge]

Wtf was trump talking about

[dapper sail]

I'm guessing he's trying to say that he's gonna bring back jobs

But no particular actions mentioned

[weary coral]

He lost 3million jobs when in office!

[unique terrace]

This is only loosely related to the Project 2025 thing:
I understand wanting to cut programs to save money. If they want to cut the budget or certain programs, cut military spending or military contractor spending. As someone who has recently gone through a contracting process with a very large contractor that is famously involved in a lot of defense spending, they do a lot of padding in their budgets for profit.

[keen crane]

y'all see that statue..

[dapper sail]

In his defense, that was due to covid 19 but he did admit to downplaying the virus

So his defense has been removed for doing so

[weary coral]

He was losing jobs before Covid

[stoic lodge]

You're gonna pull a muscle reaching that far

[wide pawn]

Trump's tariffs nearly killed soybean farming in America

He had to give them checks just to save them from his mistakes

Checks that added to his record single term national debt

Makes sense how Trump is now only 4 points ahead in Iowa polls

[stoic lodge]

Vice president debate is tomorrow

[wide pawn]

I'm nervous about it tbh, Walz admitted he's not a good debater

[flat coral]

yeah i saw that

as terrible as vance is at politics i feel like it could go either way

[stoic lodge]

Vance gonna blow it

Or trump will counter everything vance says

[wide pawn]

If a Presidential candidate has to explain what their VP pick is saying, he's losing

VP picks are supposed to support, not cause harm

Harris never has to explain what Walz is saying because Walz is actually pretty great at being a VP pick

[stoic lodge]

Exactly

[wide pawn]

Hearing about Josh Shapiro being petty about not being picked makes me so happy she didn't pick him

[wide pawn]

Jimmy Carter just turned 100

🎉

[rapid turtle]

google hasn't realised yet lol. but then again its 9 pm where they are out of

nevermind it just realised

[hallow epoch]

My great grandfather turned 100 this past july

[dapper sail]

Happy birthday Jimmy Carter

[stoic lodge]

Tonight

[sonic wedge]

Today

[vapid nova]

today happy centennial mr peanut man

[tacit quartz]

my unpopular opinion: am I the only one who can't stand kamala?😬
(in this server, probably LOL)

[nimble furnace]

Do you mean this in a trump supporter way or not

[tacit quartz]

not, just undecided but don't really like her or her proposed policies

not that I think trump's will be any better or anything

very much a chappell roan "there are problems with both sides" stance

[stoic lodge]

Look at the "problems" on each side then you realize one of the side isn't problems

[tacit quartz]

what do you mean by that? /gen

[stoic lodge]

Well what are the problems on trump side

And what are the problems on harris side

And you'll see that the problems on harris side aren't really problems when compared with trump problems

[tacit quartz]

well her immigration policies/policies to secure the border aren't the best, her economic policies aren't the best, and I feel like she's more likely to send us into WW3 than Trump is

[stoic lodge]

Aren't the best? So you think trump policies are the best?

[tacit quartz]

didn't say that lol, definitely in terms of immigration tho, but not necessarily in terms of the economy

I am curious as to how she's gonna pay for all these tax credit programs she's proposing tho🤔

[sonic wedge]

i'm not from the USA but im the same kinda, but i think its ok for me to feel that way bc im not voting since im scottish

[tacit quartz]

I mean, regardless of whether you're from the US or not, it's definitely okay for you to feel that way lol

[sonic wedge]

both sides have terrible policies, both sides suck, both sides are to the right, there is no left wing party in the USA and it sucks

you can dislike one sides policies without supporting the other, don't listen to people who say "oh so you prefer trump"

[tacit quartz]

I dunno, her abortion policies seem pretty left-wing to me 💀 but maybe that's just me

[sonic wedge]

yes but both parties are right wing overall to me

comparing to the scottish nationalist party, they're right wing

a real left wing party is the SNP in scotland or plaid cymru in wales

[tacit quartz]

wait just out of curiosity, how is kamala right-wing?
she seems so radical to me 😭

[sonic wedge]

i never said kamala, i said the democrats overall

[tacit quartz]

ohhhhh

okay that makes more sense
I think it may seem that way because former republicans are becoming harris/walz supporters🤔

[sonic wedge]

kamala is left wing but her party is barely left, more centrist and reaching into right wing

from an outsiders perspective, and when i compare them to my party here in scotland

[tacit quartz]

gotcha

okay yes this thank you!!! I don't think celebrities/entertainers in general should be involved in politics! i'm all for taylor encouraging people to vote but she has to remember that she has a pretty young and impressionable fanbase and unfortunately there are a lot of young people who won't do the research for themselves and will just vote however she votes

imo it just makes her more unlikable when she takes a side (still gonna support her tho cuz I like her music, but ik a lot of people are "unstanning" her because of her endorsement)

[sonic wedge]

yes!! it is not up to celebrities to tell people who to vote for. if someone needs a celebrity to help them decide, then they should not be voting at all. people need to learn to research for themselves and to stop being so parasocial when it comes to celebs

[wide knoll]

then again i get why she did

with the AI slump and the Britney Mahomes thing

[tacit quartz]

that's fair, but I definitely feel like anyone who is actually a swiftie would know her political stance and she wouldn't have to say it out loud

[wide knoll]

you would think

[tacit quartz]

so unfortunate... do swifties not know what miss americana is about?? 😭

[wide knoll]

like, she couldn't make it more obvious??

[hallow epoch]

There is definitely no actually “left wing” in American democracy there is only right and the ult right

[wide knoll]

would you rather pick the bad party or the bad lite party

[hallow epoch]

I think there are a lot more swifties now then there have been before these past 2/3 years and most new swifties are kids who havent really experienced her “lover era” phase

[hallow epoch]

Pretty much!!!

[sonic wedge]

yes!

[tacit quartz]

it sucks that we haven't gotten good candidates for 3 election cycles now 😭

[sonic wedge]

would you rather have the cookie that has been dropped on the floor and stepped on and full of germs or do you want the cookie that has been dropped on the floor and stepped on but theres a few less germs

no one wants a cookie thats been on the floor and stepped on but they have no choice bc theres nothing else to eat

[hallow epoch]

Ever since ive been old enough to vote (2020)there hasnt been anyone good 😭😭😭 i wasnt a conscious person until then so idk how bad options were before hand

[sonic wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/champagne-barbie-cookie-monster-gif-3214247160537358779

[wide knoll]

i sure love the 2 party system

[tacit quartz]

I felt that, this will be my first time voting in a presidential election and I hate that I don't really have a candidate I can vote for

[stoic lodge]

I'm imagining that generation where they never voted in an election without trump 💀

Feels bad

Politics hasn't always been this messed up

[hallow epoch]

Cant control my age 🤷🏼‍♀️

[tacit quartz]

exactly what george washington warned against in his farewell address but did anyone listen? nope

[hallow epoch]

Idk i feel like politics have ALWAYS been bad imo

[sonic wedge]

hasnt trump been around since 2015 as a candidate

[stoic lodge]

Not like this

[hallow epoch]

We just never realize it until we actually grow up/become a conscious person lol

[wide knoll]

i mean starts at people born in 1998

[sonic wedge]

yeah i was abt to say

like its been almost ten years since he announced his running no ?

[hallow epoch]

Yea its another election where we pick the lesser of two evils

[stoic lodge]

If others did Stuff that trump has said/did it would kill their campaigns

[sonic wedge]

ronald reagan was pretty shit

id say he was almost on trump level

maybe lowkey worse

[placid jacinth]

Celebrities can get involved to an extent

What is that extent? Encourage ppl to vote. Notice how I didn’t say encourage ppl to vote for a specific someone

[tacit quartz]

yeah if they're just encouraging people to do research and vote

[tacit quartz]

yes this, thank you!!

unfortunately I think even a celeb coming out and saying they're gonna be voting for a specific candidate (while saying do your own research like taylor did) is still inadvertently encouraging voting for that candidate

[placid jacinth]

Not rlly. It’s then up to the ppl to decide “OMG MY FAV ARTIST IS VOTING KAMALA SO I WILL VOTE HER TO!!!!” Or “hmmm ok let me do some research and come down to my own conclusion.” Taylor has always been the type to make it clear on where she stands with politics. She’s done it before. Like said before, if you’re voting for a candidate bc your fav artist is voting for them, you shouldn’t be allowed to vote

Taylor shouldn’t have to stop making it clear where she stands with issues just bc she may have some crazy fans who decide to go with what they see someone say.

[tacit quartz]

yeah I agree with that last part, but unfortunately there's no rule against that
I personally don't agree with her outright saying who she's voting for because as unfair as it is, it is kinda her responsibility to make sure her fans don't get swayed by her opinions

you'd think they'd be responsible enough to do that themselves, but nope

[placid jacinth]

And you’re forgetting it’s also our responsibilities as adults (for ppl who are old enough to vote) to do our own research

[tacit quartz]

yep, it should go both ways! she should keep her election stances to herself and fans should do their own research

[wide pawn]

What exactly don't you like about Kamala?

Like, her image? A specific policy?

[placid jacinth]

I disagree with that, a celebrity shouldn’t have to hold back on where they stand and why just bc they may have crazy fans who don’t like to do research.

[wide pawn]

Kamala would be the only president with experience in all 3 branches of government, believe it or not

She's insanely qualified

[placid jacinth]

It’s one thing to state where you stand and why and it’s one thing to encourage one to vote for what you stand

[wide pawn]

Anyway, who cares what Chappell Roan has to say. The problem in my mind is that Trump's side literally doesn't want trans people to exist. Kamala's side has nominated trans people to positions in government. There's literally only 2 options that can win because of the binary system. You're either on board or against us

That's sadly the state of modern politics

[tacit quartz]

her immigration policy in particular, also where she's gonna get the money for all her tax programs, plus I don't think she'd do well when it comes to foreign policies (I personally think she's more likely to send us into WW3 than Trump is)

[nimble furnace]

I love that Taylor endorsed Kamala because it means less people are likely to vote for trump

[sonic wedge]

endorsing can also mean that a celebrities haters vote the opposition

[wide pawn]

She's had direct experience going after gangs and human traffickers while Attorney General in California. What exactly don't you like about her immigration stance? She supports the border security bill that Trump killed for his own political gain

[sonic wedge]

her haters, grown ass men, could be like "oh she wants harris imma vote trump😹"

it's just how it is

[tacit quartz]

guess we'll have to agree to disagree then! no big deal in that tho!
I personally think celebrities should be held to the same standard as teachers when it comes to discussing politics

[wide pawn]

Where did Trump get all the money for trillions in tax cuts for billionaires?

[nimble furnace]

No one in their right mind would vote trump so

[wide pawn]

The middle class American is eating his tax cuts

[sonic wedge]

but they did in 2016 🤷🏻‍♀️

[nimble furnace]

People hate on Taylor for not endorsing now you’re hating on her for doing it??? There’s bigger things to worry abt

[sonic wedge]

are we forgetting he was literally president and won an election, some pretty stupid people out there will vote for him

no one is hating what. i just said endorsing can also influence the opposition 😭😭

[tacit quartz]

I don't like that it won't actually do anything to deport illegal immigrants, plus she was tasked with securing the border in 2021 and this bill was proposed in 2024. what was she doing to secure the border between then (2021-2024), when illegal immigration was at a record high?

[sonic wedge]

okay so

ummm

[wide pawn]

First of all, her task wasn't to secure the border. It was to do research into why people were migrating. She helped create the Partnership for Central America which has done a LOT to decrease border interceptions because it's promoting growth in the areas where migrants are coming from.

She was NEVER a "border czar"

Border crossings are the lowest in years right now

They've been going down sharply this year alone

[sonic wedge]

did she just visit the border too and said she'll toughen asylum laws

[wide pawn]

She quite actually has a lot of experience dealing with the border and the people coming in while working as an attorney general of a border state. She supports a bill that would be one of the biggest boosters of protecting the border in years.

Trump called his allies in congress to kill the bill because he wanted to campaign on the border instead of fixing it

There's many documented cases of Republicans in congress admitting that Trump killed the bill, not Democrats

https://www.centampartnership.org

THIS was her accomplishment while VP, and it's done lots of good for central America and migrants

[sonic wedge]

"She now says she wants to sign into law the tough border compromise that Congress was unable to pass in 2024 after Donald Trump objected to it. That bill would have closed loopholes in the asylum process, given the president greater authority to shut down the border when crossings are high and limited parole of migrants, which allows them to temporarily enter the United States. Her 2024 campaign team has said that her position on border crossings is the same as the Biden administration's, and that “unauthorized border crossings are illegal.” At the Democratic National Convention in August, she reiterated: “We can create an earned pathway to citizenship and secure our border.”

[tacit quartz]

technically that bill she proposed wouldn't actually deport any illegals so we still have the issue of them being in the country doing heinous crimes.
also that bill also included a 60 billion dollar relief fund to ukraine and israel (and I'm a strong believer that we shouldn't be investing into foreign affairs)

[sonic wedge]

idk it sounds like she's doing something about it to me

[wide pawn]

Did you know that Illegal immigrants commit violent crimes at far less rates than citizens?

[sonic wedge]

illegals doing heinous crimes? any examples?

[wide pawn]

Don't buy into right wing propaganda crap that immigrants are violent.

[tacit quartz]

laken riley

[sonic wedge]

any others?

[tacit quartz]

I don't believe the "they're eating the dogs, they're eating the cats" thing but they're definitely committing other crimes

[wide pawn]

That's one example, but the actual rate of crime is far lower than actual citizens committing crimes.

Immigrants being violent is quite literally a nazi-era talking point

[sonic wedge]

oh my god

[wide pawn]

They commit crimes at LOWER RATES than citizens

[nimble furnace]

what

[tacit quartz]

Jocelyn Nungaray

[sonic wedge]

yeah i'm like in disbelief rn

[nimble furnace]

i can’t tell if this is racism or like

[wide pawn]

You can list a few names but actual real statistics about crime are not on your side.

[tacit quartz]

even one is enough to say that we don't want the illegal immigrants in the country

[wide pawn]

https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/undocumented-immigrant-offending-rate-lower-us-born-citizen-rate

[sonic wedge]

https://www.npr.org/2024/03/08/1237103158/immigrants-are-less-likely-to-commit-crimes-than-us-born-americans-studies-find

[sonic wedge]

ok so ur racist!

[tacit quartz]

bruh

[wide pawn]

I think we should protect the border, sure. Keep illegal immigrants from flooding the country.

But do you realize a mass deportation of 11 million people would cripple American infrastructure? Agriculture would collapse if that happened

[sonic wedge]

"the act of some illegal immigrants = all illegal immigrants are bad"

[placid jacinth]

That’s absurd to me. One shouldn’t represent all

[keen crane]

i read one message and i alr know this is going to be a banger of a conversation

[wide pawn]

Like it makes no sense for crime to deport them because US-born citizens commit higher rates of crime, and absolutely no sense to deport them for economic reasons because they're literally the backbone of major parts of our infrastructure

[sonic wedge]

it got me sitting up in my seat 😭

[tacit quartz]

well the fact that they're coming into this country illegally makes it a bad thing, they are breaking the law

[nimble furnace]

but there’s more than one american born citizen who have committed crimes as well??

[sonic wedge]

how many american citizens break the law on the daily

[keen crane]

the first part is actually 100% true. studies have shown that non-us born citizens actually LOWER the crime rate.

[tacit quartz]

and that's what the police are for
but doesn't kamala want to defund the police? (could be wrong tho, just curious)

[wide pawn]

People that come here want a better life. They do not want to mess that up by committing crimes

[nimble furnace]

you don’t know everyone’s personal situation. everyone deserves a chance to have a good life

[wide pawn]

NO! what? She's a prosecutor. She's basically a cop

[tacit quartz]

okay okay, just asking

[keen crane]

im not gonna sit here and argue this spefic thing. but the united states of america is literally built on stolen land. Our english ancestors came here and killed / drove out native americans. one could argue they came in illegally

[wide pawn]

You're hearing some real bias sources imo

In 2020 she was actually unpopular in the democratic party because she was very pro-police

[tacit quartz]

yeah it's hard to find sources that aren't biased 😭

[wide pawn]

I feel that 😭

[keen crane]

if thats the case. then i would read both sides of the bias. one pro whatever and one against whatever

[sonic wedge]

she doesn't want to defund the police but she wants to redirect resources to other areas that can help reduce crime i think

[keen crane]

if you cannot find an unbiased report. read both sides of the arguement and do your own research.

[sonic wedge]

"For too long, the status quo thinking has been, you get more safety by putting more cops on the street. Well, that’s wrong. Because by the way, if you want to look at upper middle-class suburban neighborhoods, they don’t have that patrol car. They don’t have those police walking those streets. But what they do have? They have well-funded schools. What they do have is homeownership, high homeownership rates. What they do have are thriving small businesses. What they do have is access to public health and mental health services,"

• Harris during a radio show in 2020

[vapid nova]

she is definitely not radical

[hallow epoch]

THIS! Im still tryna catch up on everyones talking points but what ive originally saw is that a lot of migrants, illegal or not, do a lot of the heavy lifting/duty jobs that natural born citizens dont wanna do

[sonic wedge]

she could have changed her stance since then but she doesn't wanna defund, she wants to adjust where resources go

[vapid nova]

he was not as dumb as trump theres more nuance tbh

[tacit quartz]

yeah idk I heard something about her saying she wants to defund the police during the blm riots but that's probably very wrong lol

[wide pawn]

Kamala might be the most moderate democrat president nominee in recent years

[keen crane]

also remember this. she's walking on egg shells. while trump doesnt gaf what comes out of his mouth. harris is trying to do something one other person has tried to do 8 years ago

[sonic wedge]

yeah it's pretty wrong

[sonic wedge]

fucked up in the head but not as much as big donny x

[keen crane]

(that being: become the first female president)

[tacit quartz]

I do know a lot of democrats want to defund the police tho

[sonic wedge]

well yeah

[keen crane]

some does not equal all

[vapid nova]

he just wanted power like a lot of other people but reagan is a complicated figure in general

[keen crane]

correlation does not equal causation and shit

[tacit quartz]

exactly, that's why I said a lot not all

[keen crane]

true. but in a way. humans are biased. so im encouraging you to truly seperate

like conciously think about it (do you get what i mean?)

Confirmation bias is an interesting thing

[tacit quartz]

I mean, at the end of the day, I don't think kamala would be a good president (just my opinion). had it been walz running I may have reconsidered but yea I cannot bring myself to vote for her (that doesn't mean I'm voting trump tho)

[vapid nova]

why is that? walz is a less strong candidate

[tacit quartz]

he seems more likeable than she does

[sonic wedge]

in a two party system, you are not voting kamala? or trump?

[keen crane]

thats perfectly fine. everyone is entitled to their own opinion. i just encourage you to vote for the one you disagree with less yk? like you may hate them both whatever me too. but find the one you hate the least

[nimble furnace]

oh my god

[vapid nova]

likability does not reflect someone’s ability to run a country lmao

[hallow epoch]

I know ur not voting for trump but not voting for a party that is more likely to win against trump is just another vote for the fascist uprising thats happening in the republicans rn

[vapid nova]

https://mises.org/mises-wire/kamala-harris-not-radical-communist-makes-her-even-more-dangerous

[tacit quartz]

someone needs to tell trump haters that lmao /hj

[nimble furnace]

this kinda sounds like sexism i can’t lie to you rn

[sonic wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-abbott-elementary-gregory-greg-abbott-gif-11973503723217435922

[keen crane]

okay but babe he has proven he cant

[tacit quartz]

I was joking calm down

[sonic wedge]

"/hj" is half joke x

[tacit quartz]

i'm aware, I do think people are kinda hard on him tho (just the people that are insane enough to make an attempt on his life tho)

[sonic wedge]

lol when you spew hate you deserve to get it back

[nimble furnace]

kinda hard on TRUMP??

[tacit quartz]

but isn't death too much?

[keen crane]

while i don't agree with the assaination. and i think its horrible. a registered republican fired the first shots on him

the call is coming from inside the house.

[tacit quartz]

well do you think he deserves to get assassinated?

[nimble furnace]

no

[tacit quartz]

so that's what I meant

[nimble furnace]

you could’ve worded it better tho

[sonic wedge]

he has killed MANY with his terrible views..women have died due to his court overturning rode vs wade

i'm sorry but no i am not a trump sympathiser

[tacit quartz]

touche

[sonic wedge]

he literally bragged about it being overturned

women died due to it

[tacit quartz]

atp that's a state problem

[keen crane]

wym atp 😭

[sonic wedge]

y'all

[nimble furnace]

you cannot be real

[keen crane]

"guys.. i know women died but atp that on them" 😭

like??? thats what ur saying

[tacit quartz]

well it's in the state's hands now, if people have an issue then they should take it up with their state govts

[sonic wedge]

atp that's on the state who was ABLE TO OVERTURN IT BC OF TRUMP

[placid jacinth]

I don’t see anything wrong with being hard on a 34 count felon who wants to be a dictator day 1

[sonic wedge]

he is the ROOT of all these deaths

[nimble furnace]

you sound rather pro life right now just thought i’d let you know!!

[keen crane]

you dont understand tho. the states had that shit LINED UP. it went into the states hands because of the judges trump appointed under his administration. and while there has been debate over if its a federal or state issue. the fact of the matter is abortion is health care. (which is also not a federal matter)

[tacit quartz]

ig that's fair

you make a good point

[sonic wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/fighting-punch-fight-gif-1497225936762736831

[keen crane]

some states do not allow for the termination of a fetus in cases of sexual assault or incest. and one state even threatens doctors with life in prision

[keen crane]

thank you, im not trying to attack you either. im just trying to give you the facts i know

[sonic wedge]

a woman died after her fetus failed and was left to develop an infection because doctors were too scared to treat her

[tacit quartz]

no I get it, I appreciate you for that! tbh the only one really attacking me is elia but oh welp

[nimble furnace]

❤️

[keen crane]

ill also say this. in my personal opinion.. it should be up to the woman and maybe her doctor on what she wants to do. not a state or federal government telling her what to do. roe v wade gave women the FREEDOM and CHOICE to have one

the over turning of roe v. wade took away that freedom

i respect people who don't support abortions and those who do support it. but fact of the matter is what you do with your own body should be up to you and you only

that is the argument for roe v. wade

[tacit quartz]

yeah that's fair!

[nimble furnace]

it should always be up to the woman who is pregnant

[hallow epoch]

Yea i think there was a word for that, like trigger states? I think

[keen crane]

i think u may be right. if im not wrong. i believe that like within the week of the overturning of roe v. wade atleast 10 states made it illegal

[sonic wedge]

yeah

"Arkansas, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, and Wyoming, enacted trigger laws that would automatically ban abortion in the first and second trimesters if the landmark case Roe v. Wade were overturned."

[keen crane]

like the week. it takes so long for any government to make decisions or even introduce a law. that means that they had it ready to go

[tacit quartz]

see I don't agree with abortions if they're in the third trimester but I also know that most (like at least 95%) abortions are in the first trimester so ig that's fine

[hallow epoch]

Yea it was immediate 😭😭😭 thank gos my state wasnt that way BUT THEY ARE GETTING THERE 😭😭😭😭

[keen crane]

i don't think even pro-abortion states do 3rd trimester abortions 😭 (could be wrong) but not a SINGLE state does an "after-birth abortion"

[hallow epoch]

They literally ARENT happening in the third trimester

[nimble furnace]

that’s fine if it’s you making this decision for yourself, but for a government to make a decision for every woman is wrong

[tacit quartz]

so you think a third trimester abortion is okay in general? (ik they don't happen but just hypothetical)

[keen crane]

and you not agreeing with it is 100% fine. but the other argument for this is that a woman could miscarry. and the dead fetus would have to sit in her utuerus becoming septic because the removal of the dead fetus is still considered an abortion. despite the fact the fetus is already deceased

[keen crane]

no. unless the baby will not survive outside of the womb and its more ethical to terminate it

[tacit quartz]

okay this is a very good point! I appreciate you for not attacking me for my opinion💖

[keen crane]

ty, and again i dont want to attack anyone bc that does nothing for nobody. but i encourage you to look on both sides of the argument (for anything in life really)

[sonic wedge]

it's important to remember that not all abortions are due to an unwanted pregnancy

[nimble furnace]

what my opinion is doesn’t matter at all, it’s the women who’s carrying the pregnancy’s decision to make

[tacit quartz]

oh absolutely, and in those cases I fully support them! I personally wouldn't mind a limit on other cases but yk, not my call or decision to make and I get that

[keen crane]

i'll be doing hw for like 30 mins ping me if u have another question

[keen crane]

exactly. thats the point. it shouldn't be up to anyone but the person who is pregnant

[tacit quartz]

yea ik but just hypothetically?

[nimble furnace]

it’s the woman’s choice is my answer

[tacit quartz]

even if they wanted to in the third trimester?

[nimble furnace]

because idc what other people are doing bc it’s none of my business as long as they’re happy and healthy

[keen crane]

even hypothetically, its still their opinion. do i personally agree with it? not really. but that doesnt mean thats its right or wrong

[tacit quartz]

Gotcha

[sonic wedge]

i don't agree with it in the third trimester either, but that doesn't mean i will shame them for it or say they are wrong for doing so. it is not my
body

hell, if it was me i would probably not get an abortion unless it was through a violent act. but that doesn't mean i won't support other women who want to undergo that treatment.

[tacit quartz]

Yeah at least my personal opinions aren’t banning the SA cases (cuz I’ve heard of people that want to do that, which I absolutely don’t agree with! It’s one thing to say they’re immoral in the case of an unwanted pregnancy but the SA cases are crossing a line)

But again, ig it’s not up to me what someone does in that sense

[nimble furnace]

it’s immoral to limit access to healthcare

[tacit quartz]

I also think it’s immoral to celebrate getting an abortion (which yk, doesn’t happen with a large majority of cases but I just don’t agree with that! Otherwise do what you want ig)

[keen crane]

this is what i was trying to convey 😭 im actually glad it worked bc sometimes people just don't want to listen

ty for actually considering my argument tho

[vapid nova]

I think the entire point is you might not like someone getting an abortion but you shouldn't have a say in their decision its their body basically

you can be pro-life for yourself and prochoice for others

Like to put it this way no one is forcing you to have an abortion but you shouldn't force other people to not have one because you never know the mitigating factors

[tacit quartz]

I’m all for trying to listen to people that don’t agree with me on stuff, how will we make progress if we avoid conversations with the other side and stay in their echo chambers

[keen crane]

i appreciate you actually being open minded and not just arguing to argue 🫶

[tacit quartz]

Yeah tbh I used to have some lowkey transphobic views but after watching some trans youtubers I realized where my views were wrong

Can’t believe I’m admitting that but yea💀

[sonic wedge]

well

i'm glad you are no longer believing those views

[tacit quartz]

Yep!!

Me too tbh

[keen crane]

i am glad you are doing your own research and learning where you stand. please continue to educate yourself. and just remember this. at the end of they day, unless its harmful, even if you dont like something it doesn't matter what you think persay bc it doesnt affect you

[flat owl]

Only time it happens in the 3rd trimester is when an emergency occurs. Usually the fetus is dead or the mother’s life is in danger

[keen crane]

if that makes any sense

[flat owl]

Miscarriages are technically abortions. That’s why these laws are horrendous

[sonic wedge]

yes i said that

i said not all abortions are due to unwanted pregnant

[wide pawn]

Anti-choicers group in miscarriages to their numbers of "baby killers". These people calling mothers that have a miscarriage are freaking sociopaths

There are people that go outside abortion clinics and attack women that walk out after having to abort their miscarriage

You never know what goes on in someone's personal lives. That is nobody's business. These decisions should only be made between a woman and her doctor, never with the government

[stoic lodge]

I'm at work rn and can't read all this 💀

[tame gate]

Trump promoting a “purge” (more so another Kristallnacht.) IS INSANE.

And people CHEERED.

[tacit quartz]

What “purge”?

[tacit quartz]

/genuine

[tame gate]

I can link an article, but he basically suggested in response to petty retail crime they should have a violent day where police/authorities can just beat people

So like, broke mom stealing baby formula? Haha, you’re getting beaten!

https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2024/09/30/the-purge-trends-as-trump-suggests-one-really-violent-day-could-end-thefts/

Its ..

[stoic lodge]

People cheer for the wildest things and laugh at everything Trump says

[tame gate]

Its a cult, genuinely

[stoic lodge]

Like when Trump was talking about the fly

[tame gate]

Reminds me of a certain leader ..

[stoic lodge]

People were laughing like he was making a joke

[tame gate]

Genuinely confused how people support him

[stoic lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/crowd-laughing-gif-5516122

[tame gate]

He speaks like he’s delirious and on nitrous oxide or sumn

[stoic lodge]

"There's a fly up here..."

[tame gate]

😭

[stoic lodge]

Trump followers are like "he tells it how it is. That's what I like about him."

Meanwhile they're a bunch of snowflakes

Weird af

[tame gate]

Prettyyy much. They only accept the facts they want to hear
, when it comes down to it they don’t really know anything

[stoic lodge]

Republicans turning on each other love to see it

Would enjoy it more if people's lives weren't at stake

I will watch the vice president debate tonight

[stoic lodge]

“Look at the World today—Look at the missiles flying right now in the Middle East, look at what’s happening with Russia/Ukraine, look at Inflation destroying the World,” Trump wrote in one post. “NONE OF THIS HAPPENED WHILE I WAS PRESIDENT!”

In another post, Trump decried the conflict as “TOTALLY PREVENTABLE.”

“IT SHOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED,” Trump said. “IF I WERE PRESIDENT, IT WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED!”

[stoic lodge]

Trump rejects "60 Minutes" interview; Harris accepts

COWARD

[wide pawn]

Trump even rejected the CNN debate, which is where he won against Biden and actually called them fair! He couldn't even come up with a good excuse!

"It's too late"

Like bruh, THE LAST 2020 PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE WAS ALSO LATE OCTOBER

Kamala should legit just go and be the only one on the stand

[sonic wedge]

https://x.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1841155924133617918?s=46&t=OKgFQFwX7rs9iGIFhc_5iw

Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) on X

Twitter · Oct 1, 2024, 4:39 PM

this is the dumbest election ad of all time i fear

[stoic lodge]

Dumbest election ad of all time so far

[wide pawn]

Of all the shots they have of her, they attack her for

checks notes

Dancing

[stoic lodge]

How can she laugh

That guy who paid $4000 to smash the taylor swift guitar to own the libs 💀

[left river]

what time does the vice presidential debate start for EST

[stoic lodge]

9pm

[left river]

thanks

[stoic lodge]

You're welcome

If you pull up one of the live streams if might have a more accurate countdown

[tacit quartz]

That’s dumb lol, could’ve sold it if he didn’t want to support taylor anymore

[wide pawn]

He was just an angry guy wanting to flex. I mean, whatever

[rapid turtle]

are we going to talk about the vp debate?

[stoic lodge]

Yes

Though I may be working out so just watching but I will talk after

[oblique marsh]

let’s go walzzz 💙💙💙

[idle mirage]

yea no trumps vp scares me a bit

walz for sure and I can’t even vote so

[oblique marsh]

jd why do u look like that… 😟

[rapid turtle]

I watching on my phone so I discord on my laptop and I'm busy crochet

[keen crane]

Oh tim alr goofed up i fear

[flat coral]

He seems nervous 🙁

[keen crane]

Yeah😭

Bruh

Thats not the question 😭🙏

[oblique marsh]

he ate it up the topic but he seems rlly nervous ☹️☹️

babes we are not talking about the economy or ur personal life

[left river]

it’s his first time being in a presidential debate

I’d be nervous too

[flat coral]

Vance dodging already

[rapid turtle]

did he just try to bring up ww3??????

[keen crane]

They both dodged

The vp debate is lowkey just a glazing event atp

[left river]

waltz answered the question right away and did not talk about his life or economy..

[flat coral]

Tbh not many people are probably watching anyways

This probably isn’t gonna sway anyone

[keen crane]

Waltz talked about it right away. Vance actually somewhat answered the question of wether they'd support it or not

[unique terrace]

he’s the worst because he can seem really reasonable. he’s a talker.

[oblique marsh]

“donald trump kept us peace” BITCH DIDNT HE ALMOST GET US INTO A WAR ???

[flat coral]

why does he keep saying governor waltz 😭

[keen crane]

He was too busy writing love letters😞

Dear, my love, kim jong un

Kim.. my love (blah blah)

• Donald J. Trump ((prob))

[stoic lodge]

Is it commercial now?

[left river]

this debate is pretty boring

I can see why not many people are watching

[keen crane]

BRO WAIT JD IS LITERALLY MILEY CYRUS

[hallow epoch]

I am gonna maybe watch it later

I still havent watched the presi debate cuz ive been slacking

[rapid turtle]

i got a popup on my laptop about the vp debate. like laptop i know, i watching it

[stoic lodge]

Nvm I got it now I was on bad channel

[keen crane]

JD vance be like (the eyes.)

[oblique marsh]

ugh i love his eyeliner

[stoic lodge]

I'm watching now while I warm up 😎

Destroy him walz

[keen crane]

Spot the difference..

[stoic lodge]

It started 13 mins ago?

[rapid turtle]

Hey I'm literally wacthing it on disney+ 😭

[marsh panther]

it's also on YT too

[stoic lodge]

I'm on yt

[flat coral]

Vance’s eyes are unsettlingly blue

[oblique marsh]

why did u put 2 same photos in one photo?

[stoic lodge]

But might switch to disney+ on my tablet

Gonna set some PRs to walz debate

[keen crane]

Mb😞

[stoic lodge]

LFG

[keen crane]

OMG DO U SEE VANCE'S EYELINER WING

It lowkey might just be a crease in his eye but it looks like an eyeliner wing😭

[stoic lodge]

OMG VANCE JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION

[left river]

aren’t we exhausted

[oblique marsh]

STOP I JUST REALIZED VANCE IS WEARING A PINK TIE 😭

[keen crane]

Girlypop

[left river]

Lmao I noticed that too

[stoic lodge]

Can't stop this bus

[keen crane]

Pink tie and eyeliner its joever

Oh no this topic😭

[left river]

wtf?

[rapid turtle]

stop i noticed after u pointed it out.

[keen crane]

Why are his eyes so sparkly bro

[rapid turtle]

oh no

[keen crane]

I dont think kamala brought fentanyl in..

[left river]

it’s scary that the US ELECTION is like 34 days away

America will decide who will be our president and vice president for the next 4 years

[keen crane]

He's smiling so hard while talking about deporting people😭😭😭

[rapid turtle]

i dont think she brought aliens in either....

[bright zodiac]

I love snapchat. Embracing my inner gen alpha with this one. I'm the better Ohioan tbh 🥰

[keen crane]

Well she brought them to the prisons for transgender operations😒😒

[oblique marsh]

i feel like jd has been talking this entire time

[bright zodiac]

Vance prob got his eyeliner from actual aliens. It's immacutely out of this world.

[oblique marsh]

guys let walz talk 😭😭😭

[keen crane]

HELP ME

[keen crane]

You deserve an award for this comment ily.

[rapid turtle]

MOST???????

[bright zodiac]

It's crazy to me how Kamala and Walz were only born one year apart

[keen crane]

THEY WERE?

[left river]

Kamala looks younger

[keen crane]

Bro they look a decade apart

[rapid turtle]

she looks like she could be in her 30's

[bright zodiac]

That's my cat btw

[oblique marsh]

i fear walz ate oh 😍😍😍😍

[rapid turtle]

cute cat. i have an orange one.

the what?

[bright zodiac]

That's a bit of a stretch but yeah no she def looks more than just 6 months younger

[left river]

I honestly thought trump was gonna pick vivek for vice president

[bright zodiac]

Vance makes me scared of the less urban/suburban areas of my state Ohio. I fear they're all rednecks

[rapid turtle]

vance is 40

[bright zodiac]

Lowkey my cat would eat the immigrants tbh

[bright zodiac]

Me n' jd vance should listen to ballad of a Homeschooled girl and i hate it here together 🥰

And I might say something stupid

[keen crane]

Oh nah

[rapid turtle]

i was so confused why he was bringing up ohio then remmbered thats hes from ohio.

[bright zodiac]

We don't want him

[stoic lodge]

Damn vance is upset lol

MICS ARE CUT

[placid jacinth]

Bro this debate 💀

[stoic lodge]

everyone get in here

[placid jacinth]

Vance 💀

[keen crane]

JOE ALWYN PFP😍⁉️

[bright zodiac]

Aside from my weid trump supporter swiftie Heartstopper obsessive extremely pro-israel (lowkey has a thing for gay men) ex-friend...she wants him.

Literally the rest of ohio though...they don't want him.

[rapid turtle]

they should have done that to trump more then one time

[placid jacinth]

Yes

[keen crane]

JOE ALWYB MY LOVE

[placid jacinth]

😭😭

[rapid turtle]

i dont want him and im not from ohio

[bright zodiac]

Joe Alwyn fans perplex me. He didn't really do anything bad but like idk he's kinda boring. This mini-fandom of joe stans wouldn't have existed without the taylor relationship.

[keen crane]

Shhhh

[bright zodiac]

I'm happy for her with Travis but I'm happy there's no travis fandom like that within the swifties haha

[keen crane]

Omg i know what JD is doing. He's doing KAMALAS STRATEGY

[rapid turtle]

the what?

[stoic lodge]

She was vice president not president

Do they not understand how that works

[keen crane]

Hes literally using her strategy that she used in the presidential debate last month😭

[rapid turtle]

the way i just said this out loud to myself

[rapid turtle]

i now know what u mean

[stoic lodge]

DONALD TRUMP IS A BUM ASS BUSINESSMAN

[keen crane]

The dumbed down introduction and looking at the camera for the logos points

[dapper sail]

At least this debate is professional

[stoic lodge]

Broke as shit

[rapid turtle]

real

what plan that trump has? he has no plan

[dapper sail]

His networth is 3.9 billion

[keen crane]

Except. Kamala is literally a prosecutor. JD is a couch fucker he cant do it like she can

[stoic lodge]

EXCUSE ME HE HAS CONCEPTS OF A PLAN

[stoic lodge]

[X] Doubt

[keen crane]

The vice president debate is actually just professional glazing

[dapper sail]

Takes one Google search, I know you don't like Trump (neither do I) but that was a lie

This debate is boring, I prefer Walz more though

[keen crane]

Actually, walz is being smart. He's agreeing with vance but explaining how his thing is difference

[dapper sail]

I like that

[stoic lodge]

Trump said he was gonna bring American manufacturing back and that stopped like after the first year

[dapper sail]

JD Vance isn't wrong, Tim Walz having to defend Kamala has to be difficult. Tim Walz is much better than Kamala Harris

However, that doesn't make JD Vance any better

[keen crane]

No hes not. But at the same time hes doing the same thing

[dapper sail]

Tim and JD doing all they can to defend their candidates

[keen crane]

The VP debate is basically just the vp explaining and glorifying their partner

[dapper sail]

I'd imagine it being tough to defend your candidates when both Trump and Kamala are terrible

Kamala is just slightly better

[keen crane]

I bet 5$ on a couch joke i need them to start fighting

[dapper sail]

That'd be funny

[stoic lodge]

Walz not answering the question =/

[keen crane]

Tbh i literally turned my tv and went upstairs i cant listen to that no more

[dapper sail]

Yeah this VP debate is boring

[keen crane]

So im just gonna guess whats happening from you two😭

[dapper sail]

When its professional, its boring and when it's unprofessional and annoying, its boring and frustrating

[rapid turtle]

im here im just crocheting

[keen crane]

When its unprofessional its funny tho

[dapper sail]

True

[keen crane]

Can u crochet a couch

[stoic lodge]

AMERICAN HITLER

[keen crane]

Was that said😭

[dapper sail]

JD Vance switch up must be studied

[rapid turtle]

no. im still learning

[keen crane]

OH YEAH THE JD TWEET STATEMENTS

[stoic lodge]

Yes question to vance. All bad stuff he said and then switched teams

[rapid turtle]

i saw this before they said it. 😭

[keen crane]

"You would do it too for a check" - JD prob

[dapper sail]

People change policies all the time but bro called Trump Hitler, I'm curious on how he's gonna defend that

[keen crane]

Lmk what he says😭

[stoic lodge]

He misspoke

[keen crane]

💀

[turbid girder]

I’m not watching but god I hope this doesn’t swing the election the other way

[stoic lodge]

Walz need to step up more

[dapper sail]

He apparently misspoke and was wrong about Trump and said that he did really well on the economy and border

[keen crane]

It usually has no effect BUT its currently neck and neck so it might

[turbid girder]

Yeah, that’s exactly what I’m worried about

[keen crane]

Professional glazing

[turbid girder]

I do know debates usually appeal to like that 1% (not actual number but rough idea) of voters that are undecided

[dapper sail]

It won't, Kamala vs Pence debate in 2020 didnt do a thing. People only cared about the fly on Pence's head

[keen crane]

😭😭😭

[dapper sail]

Me personally, I thought Pence won that debate but it was so boring it definitely didn't change anyone's opinions

[turbid girder]

Oh God I remember that

[dapper sail]

Both of these candidates feel oddly similar

[keen crane]

I still reference the fly to this day

[rapid turtle]

same.

[keen crane]

That fly should be in future history textbooks tbh

[turbid girder]

It feels like every election is important but God I just want that orange menace to stay out of the White House

[stoic lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/mike-pence-vp-debate-fly-flygate-trump-gif-18725979

[keen crane]

The fly and its distant cousin the cockroach at the met gala

[flat coral]

this is probably one of the most important elections if not the most important election of our generation

[stoic lodge]

Kamala also hit him with a "I'm speaking"

[dapper sail]

I'm going democrat this election, I better not regret this swifties

[keen crane]

Tbh.. every election is that

[rapid turtle]

i remember whatever her name is ripping the paper trump handed her because he didnt shake her hand

[turbid girder]

We’re literally voting for 2 potential Supreme Court justices so I’d say yeah

[dapper sail]

I feel like we said this in 2020

[flat coral]

Probably

[dapper sail]

but then again, 2024 tops it more

2022 election was okay

But not nearly as important but important enough for me to vote

[keen crane]

Fym 2022

[dapper sail]

We vote for house and senate candidates in our states

[keen crane]

Oh yeah oops

[dapper sail]

and governors of course

[keen crane]

I forgot😞 ab them

[rapid turtle]

abortion is banned in ohio

[dapper sail]

Hot take, the governor votes are the most important cause we all live in different states

[keen crane]

Wym

[dapper sail]

As states rights decide more and more things like abortion, age of consent, weed usage, criminal laws, etc. The governor makes those decisions

I think they're just as important as the president depending on what state you live in

[keen crane]

Like them making the decisions over the people?

[stoic lodge]

Talking about Trust

PRO WOMEN

[keen crane]

Im sorry im tired i dont get what ur saying its most likely just me😭

[flat coral]

Walz cooking

[rapid turtle]

wow ohio doesn't want him. btw abortion is banned in ohio

[dapper sail]

Yep, state governments have quite a bit of power

Yeah Walz wins the abortion debate, that was an automatic L for JD Vance no matter what he says

[keen crane]

Does the 10th (?) amendment mean nothing to you😞 (i know it also gives power to the states if not in that one then other one)

[dapper sail]

I meant they have power within the state

[rapid turtle]

oh boy

[dapper sail]

Remember when roe v wade was overturned? It gave states power to either remove abortion or keep abortion

State elections are pretty important too

[stoic lodge]

MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS yaaaaaaaaaaa

[rapid turtle]

yeah. i got lucky. my state said we can keep abortion

[dapper sail]

Yep, if you're in a blue state, abortion is likely legal or less restrictive

[rapid turtle]

washington state

[dapper sail]

If you're in a red state, it depends

[stoic lodge]

Purple state

[dapper sail]

Oh yeah its definitely legal then, Washington is very blue

[rapid turtle]

theres breaks??????

[stoic lodge]

Yes

[dapper sail]

Alaska and Montana are one of the very few red states that have abortion completely legal

[stoic lodge]

Presidential debate the breaks were used to change Trump's diaper

[stoic lodge]

Yeah those states are like f u government. We live here to get away from DC

[dapper sail]

More reasons as to why state elections are super important

Never forget about them, 2026 will come soon and there is no president election in 2026 but your state elections are super important

Also yeah I'm done watching the VP debate

I'll just watch the highlights

[rapid turtle]

im unlucky becuase we have governor elections this year

teachers also dont want to go to work and wounder if they will make it out alive today?

[stoic lodge]

We had lockdown drill yesterday

[rapid turtle]

a college in my state had a real lockdown yesterday

his mom still alive?????

[stoic lodge]

Vance: I agree we can't blame immigrants.

Also vance: we can blame kamala who let in a bunch of illegal immigrants.

[rapid turtle]

like huh???? its like trump having a concepts of a plan

[stoic lodge]

SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN TO VANCE THE POWERS THE VICE PRESIDENT HOLDS

concepts of a plan lol here we go

[rapid turtle]

AND TRUMP

[stoic lodge]

Trump probably raging rn because Vance keeps agreeing with Walz

[rapid turtle]

real

[stoic lodge]

Worse than a concept of a plan 💀

[rapid turtle]

🤣

so im in trouble. i has asthma

[stoic lodge]

Her come the childless cat ladies

Walz crushed vance on healthcare

[wide pawn]

This debate is pretty mid

Walz not performing too well, Vance lying his teeth off

[stoic lodge]

Vance family care model was just having grandparents watch grandkids

[rapid turtle]

which for some people works for others it doesnt

[stoic lodge]

It's almost like vance has no concept of the realities of every day americans

There are big burdens and hurdles to get qualified as a day care

But it's like yeah I want someone who is certified and trained

[rapid turtle]

oh boy not the 2020 election

[keen crane]

was there a couch joke..

[stoic lodge]

No not yet

[keen crane]

I LITERALLY SAID THIS

[unique terrace]

which is weird because he grew up poor.

[stoic lodge]

HE SOLD OUT

Vance talking about misinformation 💀

[rapid turtle]

the harris biden one????? dude is out of touch with how to presideny

[dapper sail]

Vance just trying to live out the Republican dream

I'm very harsh towards both candidates personally but I agree with Tim Walz more than Kamala Harris

[wide pawn]

Tim Walz has a more personable quality than Kamala, although Kamala is definitely a better debater

[flat coral]

I think walz will run in 2028 or 2032

All depends on if harris runs again in 2028 or not

[rapid turtle]

vance needs to go back to history class

[dapper sail]

Yeah Walz isn't the best at debating

[wide pawn]

He did admit that

[dapper sail]

I just like Walz's policies more than Kamala's

[void wyvern]

agreed

[dapper sail]

With electoral policies, Tim Walz wants a voter ID to be necessary, Kamala doesn't

[void wyvern]

i mean voter ID depends

[dapper sail]

Kamala also wants the age limit for voting to be lowered to 16, Tim Walz wants it to stay at 18

[wide pawn]

When did she say that?

[stoic lodge]

Vance looking to the future

[wide pawn]

That's the first I'm hearing

[dapper sail]

On the ISideWith website which generally isn't biased said it

I assume she may have said it in a speech at some point, the website goes off of what people say in speeches, interviews, rally's, etc.

[flat coral]

i feel like she prob didn’t say that but i could be wrong

[stoic lodge]

Click on references

[flat coral]

that would be pretty stupid

[dapper sail]

here's what the references say

I didn't even see that tab somehow, that's useful

I guess she "liked the idea" of it but if you've met 16 year olds, yeah it's not as wise as you'd think

especially the 16 year olds these days

[rapid turtle]

i was 16 and def not wise

[flat coral]

ok she said it once in 2019

[dapper sail]

Yeah I'm not sure if she still supports that idea or not

unless that question was being asked to her again 5 years later, we may never know if she still sees it that way

[stoic lodge]

Back to the debate

Closing statements

[dapper sail]

I got sleepy watching the debate

[stoic lodge]

WALZ SAID TAYLOR SWIFT

WE OUT HERE

[flat coral]

it felt more like an actual debate this time and both were respectful but it wasn’t as entertaining

[amber tree]

I didn’t even watch most of the debate Lowkey

But I’m watching closing statements 😭

[stoic lodge]

Energy? You talked about energy

[wide pawn]

I don't think she actually supports it, but the argument is that 16 year olds pay taxes

Probably better for 16 year olds to be tax exempt imo, since they can't and shouldn't vote

Overall this debate was mid

[stoic lodge]

Vote for vance or vote for walz lmao

[flat owl]

JD Vance was at Yale Law and it shows, but he’s lying his ass off

Walz is just a normal Midwest dude

[stoic lodge]

Snake oil salesman

[rapid turtle]

the only reason that 18 year olds got to vote is be "old enough to fight, young enough to vote"

[flat owl]

Trumper go away

[stoic lodge]

Huh

[flat owl]

Walz isn’t a snake oil salesman

[stoic lodge]

OOPS

Replied to wrong comment

[wide pawn]

Anyway, I like that this debate was civil and boring. Like it should be

[stoic lodge]

I'm not a trumper

[placid jacinth]

Loved this debate

[stoic lodge]

Now let's wait for what trump has to say

[wide pawn]

Latching onto the "friends with school shooters" gaffe

[hidden dragon]

JD is a good liar

[stoic lodge]

Snake oil salesman

[tame tree]

What makes you say that?

Also go pack go 😂

[flat owl]

Ahhh I see. Good 😃

[stoic lodge]

He lies but is confident in his lies

[flat owl]

He cracked when he said “you’re not supposed to fact check”

[tame tree]

Please explain this

[flat owl]

What a loser

[stoic lodge]

He lies out his ass. But speaks confidently, so people believe him.

[tame tree]

Instead of insulting why don’t you actually put forth a logical explanation

[worthy trellis]

is it still going?

[tame tree]

How is he lying?

[stoic lodge]

No

[wide pawn]

Walz messed up 2 times

The school shooters comment was rough but imo kinda a nothing burger

The Tianamen Square thing wasn't a good response but anyone who knows what that even is probably already is a decided voter

[tame tree]

In the past 16 years democrats have been in control for 12 of those years.

[wide pawn]

Yes, and the economy had the most growth under democrats

[tame tree]

In the four years trump was in charge he fixed the economy and there was no major wars

[tame tree]

Dawg under Biden our economy as been at its worst since the great depression

[wide pawn]

The economy was already rising under Obama. Trump stumped manufacturing jobs

[wide pawn]

It started under Trump... very clearly started under Trump

[flat owl]

We’re still under Trump’s tax laws

[wide pawn]

Like, the covid recession very clearly started under trump

[hidden dragon]

he’s a good talker, he can convince people into thinking false ideas (also yes, pack is back. Let’s ignore the first half of the Vikings game)

[flat owl]

They’ll be done in 2025

Unless he wins of course

[tame tree]

Fr 😂 Jordan love is the guy

[stoic lodge]

#1281392595565809685

[tame tree]

Yes but you had four years to fix that and you didn’t

[flat owl]

Republicans have Congress. Do you understand how laws are passed?

[tame tree]

If you look at the facts then you will see it’s actually the opposite

[wide pawn]

Inflation is back down to 2%. The stock market has hit a record breaking high. Unemployment is low. The only down side is high prices which started because of the covid recession

[tame tree]

Yes our great economy rose under trump good job

[wide pawn]

Trump nearly killed farming in America with his trade war with China

[flat owl]

Companies are price gouging

[stoic lodge]

Trump is a grifter

[flat owl]

He wants to bring tariffs back too

[tame tree]

That’s only recently and Biden could have tried at least but he didn’t

[wide pawn]

Look at a graph for the last 10 years and you'll see it all started under Obama

[tame tree]

Are you blind my dear 😂

[flat owl]

So many have zero idea how our govt works

[tame tree]

Started going downhill yes it did

[wide pawn]

Biden passed a few laws that actually tackled economic issues. And they worked. The Inflation Reduction Act brought down Inflation.

[wide pawn]

Are you here to troll because none of what you're saying is backed up by reality

[flat owl]

Joined today. Where’s a mod?

[stoic lodge]

Kamala Harris was apparently running the country the last 4 years

[tame tree]

No it didn’t and also explain to me how gas and food prices are up over 50% more under Biden then it was under trump it’s almost four dollars for a gallon of gas in most states

[tame tree]

Yeah and she sucked why should she get another four years?

[wide pawn]

Funny you say gas because they're at the lowest in years right now. I filled up the pump a few days ago at $3.10/gal

[flat owl]

OMG you fell for sarcasm IJBOLLL

You are dumb as hell

[tame tree]

I’m having a civil conversation and I think you are not in reality

[wide pawn]

Honest question, do you have a car?

[tame tree]

3.10 dollars yes under trump it would be under a dollar

[tame tree]

Yes my friend do you

[wide pawn]

The lowest was during the covid recession that started under Trump. Well done

[flat owl]

Get this troll out of here. I doubt they’re even a Swiftie.
You always can tell when they join the server

[stoic lodge]

Hillary Clinton was right- Trump supports are DEPLORABLE

[tame tree]

No let’s go into it. Gas was under a dollar when trump was in charge but four years after Biden in charge and gas has gone up over 50% how is that a better economy? We also shut down one of our own pipelines

[wide pawn]

Naw, that's not the message we need

[wide pawn]

Gas under a dollar? Holy hell where do you live

[flat owl]

Most Trump supporters are uneducated men cough

[tame tree]

I’m following the rules and taking this seriously

[tame tree]

In the USA 😂

[flat owl]

You’re not a Swiftie, so you’re here to troll

[tame tree]

No my gf and I have been to a concert

[wide pawn]

I need like a city because the last time I heard of gas under a dollar was in the 1990s

[tame tree]

Also going back to my original point the democrats have been in power for 12 of the last 16 years

[flat owl]

Not in Congress

[tame tree]

Look it up 😂

[flat owl]

Not in the Supreme Court

[tame tree]

Yes but the president can try and put forth an idea or bill

[flat owl]

There are checks and balances. You really have zero idea on how your govt works. The president doesn’t have all of the power

[tame tree]

I saw that 😂 red was lower

[tame tree]

I never said it did

[wide pawn]

Naw, it was the wrong graph and lower is worse btw

[tame tree]

You are either twists my words or misunderstanding me

[tame tree]

Mhm sure send the other one then

[wide pawn]

Comparing white and black unemployment. Notice both rates drop sharply when Republicans were in charge

Unemployment up i mean

Democrats create more jobs, it stagnated with Trump

[tame tree]

Well we were talking about gas but with that jobs were being given based off of skill and experience not the color of your skin. Would you rather your building being built by a white man who is been doing it for 30 years or a Hispanic person who got the job because they were gay and being used for the color of their skin for popularity. I’m not being racist I’m just giving an example

[wide pawn]

Better graph

[wide pawn]

The graph clearly showed black people have higher unemployment overall, so I don't see the point there

[tame tree]

This only goes to 2022 so it’s two years old and unemployment has risen since 2022

[wide pawn]

You're talking like less than 0.5%

This is a stagnation, historically low nonetheless

[tame tree]

My point is that the current administration first has taken away jobs by for example shutting down the keystone pipeline and second they jobs that are left are being given to the color of your skin or your gender instead of your skull and experience

[tame tree]

I have noticed that all of these polls are from very strong democrat news sources and not any from Fox News for example

Kamala has already been vp for four years and all she has done is drive the cost of food higher and drive the cost of gas higher among other things. Why should we give her another four years

[flat coral]

Fox literally had kamala leading in polls

VP doesn’t control policy

also that’s unemployment not polls 😭😭

[wide pawn]

The Keystone XL pipeline never got built. It wasn't ever there to start

[tame tree]

Also during the four years trump was in office there was no major wars across the world and in the years biden has been in control we have tons of wars across the world and world war 3 is much closer then I would like and the USA is the laughing stock of the world right now. Do you want a weak USA where everyone speaks Russian or Chinese? Because that’s what you will get when Harris gets in office Lord willing she doesn’t

[tame tree]

The pipeline down from Alaska that got shut down the day Biden got in office

[tame tree]

I would love to debate with you but just give me a second with this wonderful person right here

[wide pawn]

A weak USA would be abandoning NATO allies and letting Russia do whatever they want. When did Republicans suddenly become okay with abandoning allies

Because of Biden, Ukraine is still fighting strong. Putin could be in Poland right now otherwise

You're saying a pipeline being shut down affects unemployment like 500,000 Americans work on a single pipeline

[flat owl]

Trump basically gave the Taliban back to Afghanistan. He invited them to Camp David

Again, why is a non-Swiftie here?

[tame tree]

Alright let me break this down for you. First Ukraine was not in nato when trump was in charge and it shouldn’t be which leads me to my second point. Second the reason nato was formed was to combat the Soviet Union’s eastern block and after the fall of the Soviets nato and Russia made a deal saying that nato would not add any more nations in eastern countries. However slowly nato would add Poland or Finland would be added and broke a treaty which should have been kept and Ukraine should not have been added and why is the USA the nanny of the world and that goes back to my point that we had no major war during trump’s four years

[tame tree]

What makes you say that?

[tame tree]

Remind me who gave the command to make the very messy pull out of Afghanistan? Oh right Biden/harris

[wide pawn]

I know Ukraine is not in NATO, but Trump threatened to withhold NATO assistance. That's a huge red flag for America's presence in the global stage.

Why does Russia care what countries are and aren't in NATO? They're not Russia

It's a dangerous precedent to send by letting Russia cease sovereign land. It's like how Hitler was given entire countries in hopes of peace only for him to invade more later

[flat owl]

That was Trump’s plan

[wide pawn]

It... actually was Trump. Biden finished it. It had to be done.

[flat owl]

Yeah it was too late to go back

[flat owl]

You joined just to argue here. We can see when you join the server

[tame tree]

Trump was not in charge when the war Ik Ukraine started (I would like to say I wish them the best of luck and actually have a brother form there) and let’s put yourself in Russia’s shoes ok. The deal was so that Russia would have a bumper and wouldn’t you not like it if your enemies slowly came up to your doorstep after saying they promised they won’t

[tame tree]

No I enjoy Taylor swift music

[wide pawn]

Like, it could have been done better but it had to be done. There was no financial or military incentive to stay. Trump made the right call to pull out of Afghanistan 🤷‍♂️ but weird that you're saying it was Biden who started it

[tame tree]

Well Biden should have been able to organize a better way because I believe he was in office for over a year

[wide pawn]

If Guatemala joined an alliance would the appropriate action of the USA be to invade El Salvador?

[tame tree]

Trump made the right call you say but Biden was the one who would be the one who had the plan of moving our brave troops out of there and it was messy it’s just a fact

[wide pawn]

Yes, it was messy. Not exactly a win on Biden's part. It had to be done nonetheless

[tame tree]

No because first off there wasn’t a preexisting treaty that said they couldn’t

[tame tree]

Ok we agree it was messy that’s great but it could have been better that wasn’t the only way

[wide pawn]

Okay, let's say there was!
Why would the USA invade a totally different country as retaliation? Ukraine was never in NATO. They're not Russia. They have no dogs in that show. So WHY would Russia be justified?

[tame tree]

Ok I’m not siding with Russia I’m a proud American but the reason Russia invaded Ukraine was because like I said nato kept breaking their promises and letting more and more countries in eastern Europe into nato. And also Russia was attacked first as Ukraine bombed several provinces on the border.

[wide pawn]

When did Ukraine bomb Russia? After they annexed Crimea or before?

[tame tree]

Anyways I would love to keep going but I have work tomorrow and got to run my company. So for now agree to disagree? And good night

https://tenor.com/view/the-avengers-marvel-robert-downey-jr-tony-stark-iron-man-gif-17148104

[tame tree]

First in 2014 and then I believe two and half years ago

[dapper sail]

I'm here for NFL reasons

somehow the Chiefs are 4-0 and same with the Vikings

[flat coral]

Tbh for such a big server I don’t think you should have to like taylor to be here

[tame tree]

#1281392595565809685

[flat coral]

Some people just like the community aspect of it

[dapper sail]

Yooooo I didn't even know that existed

[tame tree]

I enjoy Tay Tay but I also enjoy other singers and some more than her is that a problem?

[flat coral]

Steelers streak over </3

[dapper sail]

I tolerate Taylor Swift tbh

[tame tree]

I got you champ

[flat coral]

no it doesn’t matter 😭😭

I still like her music but im not rly an active fan anymore

[tame tree]

Alright cool 😎 thanks for the clarification

[stoic lodge]

Vance refuses to answer if trump lost the election, and refuses to answer if he'll certify the election.

[minor cosmos]

lol

[stoic lodge]

Vance: I'm focused on the future.

Also Vance: Did Kamala Harris censor Americans from speaking their minds in the wake of the 2020 COVID situation?

“ the rules were you guys weren’t gonna fact check”

Vance fact checked the moderators 💀

[sonic wedge]

omg not them cutting the mics

[tame tree]

Yeah because they kept fact checking him and not walz

[vapid nova]

here are my feelings. I am very happy it was a civil debate like so happy. Vance did way better than I expected, but he royally screwed up on the Jan 6th section, which is a big deal.

[wintry remnant]

Fact checks are typically triggered when someone says blatant mistruths so, y'know...

[tame tree]

I mostly agree with you lol have an amazing and blessed day my friend

[tame tree]

Then we should have been fact checking every statement Harris or Walz said

https://tenor.com/view/yes-wink-gotcha-you-tube-thanks-gif-3467082

[wide pawn]

Which statements did they outright lie about then?

[tame tree]

Well the short answer is this
The border is fine
Our economy is doing great
Our military is the strongest it’s ever been
We have no soldiers over seas
And many more
Well I personally know the first two are wrong because I know someone who was raped by an illegal immigration and I personally know people who can barely afford groceries because of “Biden economics”

[reef zenith]

Lets remind ourselves on being appropriate when using our server, and when discussing political or serious discussions.

We should be using credible sources to discuss our claims, and especially not discussing graphic or triggering topics. Please be appropriate and tolerant in your wording.

[tame tree]

If it’s because I said the R word I’m sorry didn’t know it was not allowed when discussing what happened to a person

[reef zenith]

Thank you

[tame tree]

No problem brother

https://youtube.com/shorts/eCe-Ass79Q4?si=jm42h9fjscpVriKJ

I do have to ask @wide pawn how do you defend this?

[wintry remnant]

The Communist Chinese asset

[open cosmos]

https://x.com/thejackhopkins/status/1841334977339781355

Jack Hopkins (@thejackhopkins) on X

So, Donald Trump has started a GoFundMe page for “Hurricane Victims.” It had a $1 million dollar goal. It’s at over $3.5 million already. Oh, he promises a whopping 3% will go to the intended recipients.

When does it stop? If we don’t win the election and get a new AG….never

Twitter · Oct 2, 2024, 4:30 AM

Why is trump not in jail yet

[wintry remnant]

Walz: And it manifested itself because of Donald Trump's inability to say, he is still saying he didn't lose the election. I would just ask that. Did he lose the 2020 election?
Vance: Tim, I'm focused on the future. Did Kamala Harris censor Americans from speaking their mind in the wake of the 2020 COVID situation?

Just as delusional as Trump, Vance won't even directly answer the question that Trump lost in 2020.

[tame tree]

Is it a bad thing to help people whose homes have been destroyed by the hurricane? I don’t see Biden or Harris trying to help at all

[open cosmos]

Did you even read the tweet

[wintry remnant]

https://www.fema.gov/press-release/20240930/biden-harris-administration-continues-whole-government-response-hurricane

[tame tree]

Then why do you say trump cheated in 2016?

[open cosmos]

Only 3 PERCENT is going to victims

He's keeping the rest

[wintry remnant]

Who's "you"?

I literally met you and started talking to you today

[tame tree]

Democrats

[wintry remnant]

No one says he cheated in 2016, my dude.

[tame tree]

I didn’t mean you personally my bad mate

[wintry remnant]

Russian Interference =/= Cheating

[tame tree]

That’s because he didn’t 😂 but Biden cheated in 2020

[wintry remnant]

Dude what the fuck

Biden?

He wasn't even the nominee?

Huh?

[open cosmos]

Are you insane?

Biden wasn't even running in 2016 LMAO

[wintry remnant]

He wasn't even a frontrunner in the Primaries?!

The fuck

[tame tree]

In 2020 I meant mb

[open cosmos]

Biden won fairly in 2020

[wintry remnant]

Biden cheated in 2020? On what grounds?

You mean on those dozens of electoral fraud cases that were taken up by courts in multiple states including in places overseen by Federal judges appointed by Trump and were all thrown out due to a lack of substantiative evidence?

But also

[tame tree]

No he didn’t there is video evidence of people closing the election vote counting places at 10 PM with trump in a huge lead and then they pull out huge bags that were hidden under their desks and the next morning wow Biden is now winning by a huge landslide I thought voting was supposed to stop?

[wintry remnant]

Uh huh sure yeah

And when it was brought to court

Did any of them pan out?

Literally none of them did.

[tame tree]

Anyways I have a company to run so I will see all you wonderful people later

[wintry remnant]

Yeah fucking right, my dude.

[tame tree]

Are you saying that I shouldn’t make money? And that you don’t believe me

[open cosmos]

The whole reason more people voted for Biden was because he was smart and told his supporters to mail in their votes to stay safe from covid

Trump told his followers to vote in person and not do mail in votes

So there was more votes casted for biden

It's basic logic

He won fair and square

[wintry remnant]

I'm just saying it's very convenient your excuse for spouting out conspiratorial lies is cause you're suddenly busied by your being a business owner but hey, you do you, my dudde.

62 lawsuits in 9 states, all thrown out

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/13/trump-appointed-judges-among-86-have-far-dismissed-election/

[tame tree]

No explain how trump was winning by a landslide and then voting “closed for the night” even though it’s called Election Day and not election week and suddenly the next morning Biden is now in a huge lead when counting the votes should have been stopped and there is video evidence showing one or two people staying behind and counting these fake votes

[open cosmos]

Real votes you mean

[tame tree]

I am a business owner and I would very much like my business to succeed so I need to go 😂

[tame tree]

Maybe because the dems controlled the courts at that point

[wintry remnant]

lmaooooo

[open cosmos]

You literally have no idea how long it takes to count votes

[tame tree]

Do you have proof they are real because i have proof that they are from dead people

[wintry remnant]

Trump appointed judges and "Dem controlled courts"

[open cosmos]

That's not even possible LMAO

[tame tree]

Yes i do and you can’t say I don’t because that’s very judgmental

[wintry remnant]

There's 6-3 conservative majority and "Dem controlled courts" sure

[tame tree]

You said it was taken to smaller courts

[sonic wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-monkey-puppet-meme-awkward-gif-15268759

[tame tree]

But I need to go so peace

[open cosmos]

Hopefully the maga brainrot is over in this country soon

A disease that plagues it

Prevent the day one dictator from taking over

[tame tree]

Or maybe the Biden senile will be over soon and everyone can return to normal and stop a civil war over your choice of candidate

[open cosmos]

Trump Is literally the issue

[tame tree]

So you are saying trump is a dictator which means that Biden must be the one he is taking over from

[open cosmos]

Biden is trying to keep the country from being taken over by the guy who looks up to hitler

[wintry remnant]

Biden senile?

[tame tree]

Also I have noticed how all of you have dodged this 😂

[wintry remnant]

Yeah, it's a shitty answer from Walz

But I'll take it over a guy who won't even say Trump lost in 2020

And is willing to directly lie about Haitians

[open cosmos]

Jd vance - lies about haitians

Also jd vance - "I thought there wouldn't be fact checking"

[tame tree]

Well there’s proof Walz Lied but there’s proof trump is telling the truth

[wintry remnant]

lmao

Even JD Fucking Vance said it was a lie

[tame tree]

Are you guys blind as bats is my question

[wintry remnant]

Trump literally said he saw it on TV

[tame tree]

https://tenor.com/view/middle-finger-infinity-war-chris-pratt-star-lord-peter-quill-gif-2991229562035803716

[open cosmos]

Nah we just actually understand how stuff works and fully know that trump lost legitimately

THEY LEFT LMAO

[stoic lodge]

Lol

[wintry remnant]

I had to check because I did find it interesting. These are the compositions of the State Supreme Courts of 7 of the states where the Trump campaign filed lawsuits about the 2020 election:

Georgia is 9-0 Republican. They dismissed 4 and dropped 3. There's still 1 case pending.
Michigan is 4-3 Democrat. They dismissed 4, dropped 3, and ruled against 1.
Nevada is 1-1-5 (5 Independents). They dismissed 5 and dropped 2.
Pennsylvania is 5-2 Democrat. They dismissed 9, dropped 1, ruled against 2, and ruled for 1,
Arizona is 7-0 Republican. They dismissed 4, and dropped 3.
New Mexico is 5-0 Democrat. They dropped 1.
Wisconsin 4-3 Democrat. They dismissed 5, dropped 1, and ruled against 1.

"Dems control the courts" is the narrative we're trying to spin here so even if we just filter for the Republican-controlled courts.

Georgia is 9-0 Republican. They dismissed 4 and dropped 3. There's still 1 case pending.
Arizona is 7-0 Republican. They dismissed 4, and dropped 3.
Nevada is 3-2-2 (3 GOP, 2 DNC, 2 Nonpartisan). They dismissed 5 and dropped 2.

Uh oh.

[sonic wedge]

go "run ur company" bro 😹✌️

[wintry remnant]

So yeah, the only place that ruled for the pro-Trump side is Pennsylvania which has a DNC majority in their state Supreme Court. Georgia and Arizona have State Supreme Courts that are unanimously GOP and dismissed or dropped a total of 14 cases between them (with 1 still ongoing).

Even if it were true that "Dems control the lower courts," that sure didn't mean anything to Georgia and Arizona

There was also a complaint brought up in the District Court for the Eastern District of Texas. (Gohmert et al. v. Pence) that was dismissed by Judge Jeremy Kernodle (appointed by Trump in 2018). The dismissal was appealed to a panel of three judges: Andy Oldham (Trump appointee), Patrick Higginbotham (Trump appointee) and Jerry Edwin Smith (Reagan appointee) and was denied. When this dismissal was appealed again to the US Supreme Court (which has a 6-3 conservative majority), it was denied again.

You had a complaint from Texas of all places to a Trump-appointed judge, to a Republican-appointed panel, to a conservative SCOTUS, and it didn't go through. And you have the audacity to say that the Dems have the courts rigged?

[reef zenith]

discord try not to glitch challenge: impossible

[wintry remnant]

The Dems, the people who are so bad at this House of Cards Game of Thrones bullshit, the ones that are trying to stack SCOTUS with 15 justices, have the courts rigged?!?!

Like, come on, my dude.

[stoic lodge]

Didn't he do this before? With some kids with cancer? And the judge shut down his charity

[wide pawn]

He misspoke on Tianamen Square, probably mixed up dates or something. Not a huge deal imo

[stoic lodge]

Cause he was putting money in his pockets

Sick how some people believe Vance's lies during the debate

[wide pawn]

And the single case they ruled for wasn't even about voter fraud, it was about poll watching distance. Like, a nothing burger ruling

[stoic lodge]

Walz did fine. Wish he did a little better. But all the talking points are on vances damning non-answer

Which says a lot!

[wide pawn]

JD Vance really f-ed up with his January 6th answer

[flat owl]

THANK GOD. They came here to troll yesterday and weren’t even a Swiftie

[stoic lodge]

You don't need to be a swiftie to post here tbh

[wide pawn]

Yeah but they made zero sense the entire time

"Gas was less than a dollar" like WHERE DO YOU LIVE IM OMW TO FILL UP RN

[stoic lodge]

1987

[wintry remnant]

My rants supercede conventional formatting

[wide pawn]

But also that whole thing about the economy, like data clearly shows it grows more under Democrats

[flat owl]

Nah, it kinda proves they were looking to cause drama

[vapid nova]

the way the Tiananmen Square and his wedding being on the same date keeps coming up is fnny

[vapid nova]

its fine tbh this didn't matter as much and vance messed up with January 6th and the Fact checking section

[wide pawn]

He probably misremembered, we all do it from time to time

[vapid nova]

imagine thinking this when they couldn't even get a justice in during OBAMA

[wide pawn]

It's not like a huge deal. The least important thing the entire debate imo

[vapid nova]

obviously why i find it funny

[reef zenith]

Discord can’t handle the pure basedness of your rants

[sonic wedge]

ur telling me something that happened in 1989 china isn't a huge deal in the vice president debate? 🤯

[vapid nova]

never forget this era in og 1989 when people wre like "ts 1989 omg tiananmen square"

[sonic wedge]

mind is blown rn 🤯

[sonic wedge]

oh my god 😭

[vapid nova]

this was actually such a time to be alive

[sonic wedge]

help

[vapid nova]

https://www.vox.com/2015/7/22/9017411/taylor-swift-china-tiananmen-square

it was a whole thing

[wide pawn]

[stoic lodge]

💀

ts 1989

[vapid nova]

where nothing happened

[keen crane]

t.s = tiananmen square (omg 6 letters in square is that a rep tv easter egg)

[minor cosmos]

oh god finally

this became infuriating to read

[flat coral]

oh god was there an election denier here 😭

[vapid nova]

this is SUCH a deep cut

[sonic wedge]

LOL

[bleak thunder]

🤫🧏‍♂️

[open cosmos]

THERE IS NO WAY LMAO

[flat coral]

i keep seeing that how is this happening 😭

[stoic lodge]

BOOMER TRUMP

[placid jacinth]

💀

[wide pawn]

Elon Twitter is a cesspool of bots