US Politics

[wintry remnant]

The cost of living is getting higher and Trump effectively doesn't have a plan for it even though a lot of price increases started during his term.

He says the stimulus came from his administration which is true but he fails to mention that him and his party were against it almost every step of the way.

This is a man that has failed the economy so if the election isnt hinging upon the racism, the decorum, the dismantling of institution, the flagrant disregard of the Constitution, or any other things but rather the economy? He has an abysmal track record.

[cunning kindle]

as much as increasing wages sounds like a good deal, corporations and companies aren't up for it, because to afford raising wages, lets say in a restaurant for example, they have to raise food prices on the menu or else expense will outpace profit, and raising food prices means less customers bc ppl dont want the prices high

[wintry remnant]

Here's the thing: no they fucking don't

That's literally just businesses being shit

[cunning kindle]

im not leaning towards trump, but im just saying kamala's economic policies aren't exactly better than what trump brought

[wintry remnant]

Forgive the cliche but again, in so many other countries, they pay wages much higher per hour than in the US but the price of things are more-or-less similar.

Yeah, that's the thing.

If they're neck-and-neck on the subject of economy, is it really a choice?

Being skeptical over economic policies are good because the most complex thing on the planet is the US economy

[cunning kindle]

problem is that corporations need something to fuel a higher wage, and it's not exactly all the time that these companies/businesses are doing well, meaning they cant always maintain those wages if they're significantly higher

[wintry remnant]

But barring overtly bad policies that no one knows with mathematical certainty what will occur or affect what

If they're neck-and-neck on the subject of economy, is it really a choice?

Anyway I'm off to dinner

Have a good one.

[cunning kindle]

alr u too

[minor cosmos]

based

“this thing will be good for humanity”
“okay but it’s also in the book by the guy I dislike”
“does that invalidate the thing being good?”

[hallow epoch]

When hell freezes over lol

You cant actually go to jail for racism but you can for committing a hate crime which is different than just basic racism

Technically the (is it the 1st amendment??) only protect’s people right to say whatever they want about the government, thats why you cant say fire in a theater and bomb in an airport

AGREED

[wintry remnant]

Moreover, theaters and airports are usually private property that can do pretty much whatever the hell they want with regards to speech.

[hallow epoch]

That too!!

[minor cosmos]

oh I get to post this again!

[hallow epoch]

Absolutely

Also i pretty much skimmed what was said in the last like 10 hours lol so if i repeated something someone already said, my bad 😭 there was so much

[minor cosmos]

all good, in politics it’s mostly repeating the same talking points over and over again anyways

[hallow epoch]

Im def taking this btw and gonna show it to anyone who bitches about free speech

[vague canopy]

maybe i was misreading the whole situation from like 5 hours ago

but guys communism is an economic ideology, not political...

so many americans mistake it for political so either way i think it's worth it to say so

[vague canopy]

i've at least observed that most people here are knowledgeable about american politics, so hopefully this is common knowledge for you

[wide pawn]

That's not communism. You can call anything communism with that logic what

[nimble furnace]

Some ideas of communism aren’t bad or terrible

[vapid nova]

little me killed it

[unique terrace]

free speech has its limits. If your speech presents a clear and present danger and causes a panic, then it's not protected. That's why it's illegal to yell "fire" or something like that in a movie theater. It causes a panic and could endanger people.

[vapid nova]

Schenck v. United States

[unique terrace]

Thank you. I knew there was a case.

[stoic lodge]

THE CHAMP IS HERE

https://vxtwitter.com/PlanetTyrus/status/1836601787656085769

[unique terrace]

who the hell is Tyrus?

Also fox news?

gross

[stoic lodge]

He was a professional wrestler lmao

Pro wrestlers 🤝 Trump

Carny shit

[unique terrace]

except not.

The Rock would never

John Cena would NEVER

Batista? Not a chance.

Triple H. Nope

[stoic lodge]

Yeah

I watch pro wrestling it is better these days from the carny shit before

[weary coral]

*people are getting put in prison for inciting violence

But Farage etc portray it as ‘saying nasty words and getting locked up’

[marsh panther]

so tyrus is a former wwe wrestler ||who was kinda ass and got released years ago lmao|| who's now a pundit on fox news he's a big big loser lmao

[stoic lodge]

Funkasaurus ruled tho

[dapper sail]

Oh yeah I remember him, that's Broadus Clay

I used to watch WWE as a kid and he was cool

You'll find people like him and Hulk Hogan supporting Trump

[dapper sail]

Cena is usually independent with politics so it wouldn't surprise me and lowkey same with The Rock

Its kind of hard to tell what he truly is these days cause he's one massive advertisement. All he posts on his Instagram is constant advertising of products and other stuff

[unique terrace]

nah. the way John Cena feels about fertility rights will absolutely make him swing left this election, and the same with The Rock. He's a girl dad.

[dapper sail]

The Rock did back Biden in 2020 but he doesn't seem like a democrat to me, its probably his persona in the ring and his movies that make me think this way 😅

I personally thought that he was just backing the DNC to protect his reputation

Which you'll see celebrities do that quite a bit during this time. Either that or they just refuse to endorse a candidate which is usually a good idea

Hulk Hogan's personality in the ring is the same irl 😭 I knew he'd support Trump

[stoic lodge]

BaROCK obama

https://tenor.com/view/obama-barack-swish-basketball-gif-19022639

Trump would NEVER

[noble flame]

If you really want to see what Hogan is up to watch Nobody Speak: Trials of a Free Press on Netflix. The guy has some weird going on. As for The Rock, I think he may lean more right than left. However for the sake of image and presentation he won’t say a thing. As for Cena, I can’t see anything of him either way.

There was a few WWE women wrestlers who liked Taylor’s IG post.

[wide pawn]

So um, this Mark Robinson stuff has me thrown for a loop

[stoic lodge]

He's saying the MAGA stuff outloud

[wide pawn]

I wasn't convinced it was real at first, but I also don't think CNN would take the risk of getting sued for slander if they weren't 100% sure

[hallow epoch]

Spotify cashing in

[minor cosmos]

Can someone explain to me: You need to apply to be able to vote in the US?

[wide pawn]

Yes

Unless you're a felon or non-citizen it's a guarantee you'll be registered

But you have to try. Some states may purge you from the rolls and you'd have to reregister

[flat coral]

A new poll only has trump ahead in Florida by 3 and in Texas by 4 😭😭

I know it’s not gonna happen but blue Texas or Florida would be so funny

[placid jacinth]

I would be over the moon if Florida goes blue

[wide pawn]

Maybe not this year but we could see a blexas in 2028

[stoic lodge]

Politics

[rapid turtle]

Blexas 🤣

[wide pawn]

Believe in Blexas 👐

[rapid turtle]

I do. I just find the name funny

[wide pawn]

Blexas

[noble flame]

I have a feeling that either Texas and or Florida! will flip blue.

[flat coral]

“if somebody breaks into my house, they’re getting shot” lowk huge for flipping republicans

[nimble furnace]

That statement is just crazy to me ngl

[dapper sail]

I saw that quote from Kamala and it only reinforces my point that Trump and Kamala are not so different

They just argue like they don't have enough in common

They're like siblings trying to start fights with each other for one silly reason or another

This is why I am eager on bipartisanship cause the political division in our country has gotten to a personal level for so many people

[wide pawn]

I mean, that's most Americans

The 2nd amendment let's you defend yourself, especially in your own home

[unique terrace]

blexas 😭

[unique terrace]

This I have no problem with. The threat of being shot should be enough though to get someone out of your house though. You don't actually need to shoot them.

[dapper sail]

I'm scared of guns ngl

My mom is shocked when I say that cause I play COD, Overwatch, Apex Legends, other shooter games

Holding a gun for the first time made me feel super scared though

So for defense reasons, I leave a golf club in my room in case of an intruder

[vapid nova]

if anything its actually a more leftist take than people realize

[dapper sail]

Republicans: "maybe we're, not so different."

[nimble furnace]

I don’t think I’ve ever actually seen a gun

[dapper sail]

I live near a gun store and they have a lot of guns and a Trump 2024 flag

[vapid nova]

horseshoe theory

[dapper sail]

Yep pretty much

[vapid nova]

I believe it to be true tbh

[nimble furnace]

I’m a scout and I get genuinely terrified with clay pigeon or air rifle shooting so I don’t even do that 😭

[dapper sail]

I think us humans despite having different political ideologies are not super different. Our ideals are based on what we think is for the best for our country

[nimble furnace]

But some peoples ideals are based on what’s best for them because that’s all they’ve ever through about

So even though they don’t know it, they aren’t seeing the full picture

[dapper sail]

Yeah you do have those selfish people in the world who either don't care or don't fully know

[nimble furnace]

They aren’t all necessary selfish just that’s all they’ve ever known

[dapper sail]

Even I probably don't fully know how everyone in the US is doing cause I've lived in a pretty safe environment for the most part that leaned more republican

But that's where I try to get other people's POV and try to figure it out

[vapid nova]

Living in an area that has lots of issues with poverty and crime but in the suburbs is weird but also where i live the suburbs aren't very far removed i can get to the city in 10 minutes so its not like typical suburbia which makes its interesting

[dapper sail]

Its about a 55/45 split with 55% being republican and 45% democrat

[dapper sail]

I could imagine you having a tougher time in that area due to the crime there

In terms of crime in my county in Iowa, it's mostly public intoxication

[vapid nova]

its a lot to do with racism, and cyclical poverty and even further back racism

[vapid nova]

ive been to iowa once. stepped foot in coral ridge mall LMAO

[dapper sail]

Are there not enough places of employment in those areas?

[dapper sail]

I dont know if I've been to that mall before

I live further east in Iowa

[vapid nova]

in coralville iowa city area

[dapper sail]

Oh yeah I think I may have been there before then, I just haven't been there in so long

I used to go to Iowa City all the time when my brother lived down there for college

[flat coral]

I think people should have a right to defend themselves in their home

[vapid nova]

weird to say this but our troubles go back to slavery and reconstruction, segregation never fully going away i mean in law sure but things are created to circumvent like withholding resources in lower income schools ect ect

[dapper sail]

Usually people have this stigma that all democrats are anti-gun which typically isn't true

[nimble furnace]

Well yeah but to say that in an interview like that is a bit extreme 😭 idk how to explain what I think abt it but yeah

[flat coral]

I’m only anti gun when it’s like. automatic weapons 😭 nobody needs those for any practical purpose

[nimble furnace]

I’m extremely anti gun

[dapper sail]

Yeah I could imagine life even after segregation ended still had some issues economically

There also tends to be a lot more black on black crimes which also brings in more police to watch over those neighborhoods more

Honestly, we should be helpful to people struggling more often and the government should also do more as well but will they? I'm not sure

Spreading peace and love is what we have to do

[unique terrace]

stop spreading that fake statistic.

it's racist

it's not based in reality

[dapper sail]

It's a fake statistic?

If it is, my apologies

[unique terrace]

It helps if you don't repeat talking points you hear from politicians and do your own research on crime statistics.

And the reasons that there are certain police presences in neighborhoods with different racial makeup

Gangs originally formed because cops wouldn't protect those neighborhoods.

That goes for a ton of minority communities

[vapid nova]

also important to remember poverty plays a larger factor in crime than race

[dapper sail]

I do believe poverty does play a major factor in that

[unique terrace]

Desperation will drive people to do what they need to to survive.

[vapid nova]

and the reason black areas may have increased crime is because of poverty that was forced upon them by discrimination

[dapper sail]

It may make you do things you shouldn't do but you feel like you have to

[unique terrace]

If we're talking about poverty, most people on wellfare are white.

[dapper sail]

In terms of poverty, yeah can confirm as a white person I grew up pretty poor

[unique terrace]

Yes. When conservatives say that we need to cut welfare and family aid programs, it's directly hurting their own voter bases, but for some reason they don't understand that.

Also cops don't prevent crime

[dapper sail]

I never picked up wanting to do crime from it but I also have a completely different life

[unique terrace]

Police forces are the remnants of slave catching patrols

[dapper sail]

I grew up as a Christian boy whom knew stealing is wrong and stuff like that

[dapper sail]

Yeah cutting welfare is a bad idea

[dapper sail]

If they don't make it in time, unfortunately this is true

Sometimes the crime ends up happening and the cops were too late

[unique terrace]

cops are only called when the crime is happening/has already happened.

this ain't skynet

cops don't prevent crime

[dapper sail]

Also, I dont think that statistic I mentioned was necessarily wrong but also white people committed more crimes https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/tables/table-43

I could only find 2019 statistics for some reason

[unique terrace]

using the term black on black crime is inherently misleading.

[dapper sail]

I should've rephrased that

[unique terrace]

people tend to commit crimes within their own communities

duh

[vapid nova]

its also that if people are economically segregated that impacts assault stats "Second, we found analogous effects for the distribution of economic resources within the city as a whole, as well as how they are spatially distributed across the neighborhoods of cities. We found that cities with overall high levels of inequality have higher levels of all types of crime, which is consistent with prior research.

which fits within how my city exists and other major crime areas which have clear divides in wealth

[unique terrace]

also crime is down nationwide

[dapper sail]

That's cause the Detroit Lions have a winning season right now

(I'm kidding that's not the reason dont quote me on that)

[dapper sail]

Yeah the cities that don't have as much funding tend to have more crime

[unique terrace]

you know what's up? police violence against civilians.

[dapper sail]

I hate it

Unnecessary police violence is the worst

[unique terrace]

police forces could be helpful if they had mental health training, ousted officers with complaints and violence on their record, and had higher training requirements, but they're never going to do that. the institutions are inherently flawed.

[dapper sail]

Yeah it's crazy that anyone can be a police officer these days

I get its a stressful job and all but breaking the law as an officer is not necessary

[unique terrace]

They do it all the time because they know that judges and other officers will cover for them.

I live near a police station.

I see cops texting while driving, making illegal turns, parking illegally, driving recklessly CONSTANTLY

[hallow epoch]

Its red white and blue but in real life xDDDD

[west wharf]

Whp took those polls? That'll effect the results

[dapper sail]

Yeah I've seen the most random polls as well that say that Trump is leading in the polls

You can't always put 100% faith in polls cause I dont think they end up polling anywhere near a million total

I've never done a political poll for it to be posted publicly on a website. Do you girls know anyone that have had polls done that were public on the percentage of votes?

I really wanna know where these people are doing polls at, I wanna say I'm voting for Eminem 😭

[unique terrace]

Exit polls are the most accurate and we won't be getting those until November.

Pre election polls are based on vibes honestly.

[dapper sail]

So the election polls of course

We have to wait until election day to find the final verdict

[wintry remnant]

This is a fundamental misunderstanding of statistics

If you know what you're doing you dont need more than a couple thousand to be within like 5% of the actual value on pretty much anything

[unique terrace]

we love sample sizing

[dapper sail]

I guess, but weren't polls predicting Hillary Clinton was gonna win in 2016 but lost?

[unique terrace]

So, let's talk about taht

[dapper sail]

Well, I guess she did win the popular vote, just not the electoral college

[wintry remnant]

That's why I love Nate Silver

[unique terrace]

No democratic nominee since the 2000s has lost the popular vote

[dapper sail]

So I guess polls weren't necessarily wrong on that end

[unique terrace]

Which leads us to discuss the electoral college.

Why do we still have them?

[dapper sail]

California, Illinois (mostly Chicago) and New York carry the votes by a lot

[unique terrace]

If they're going to disregard the popular vote

[dapper sail]

Mostly for state representation but the EC votes should be more balanced based on population

[unique terrace]

You can't be mad that states with major cities where people actually live control the vote.

[dapper sail]

They right now aren't accurately balanced

[unique terrace]

But we are supposed to control that with voting districts.

Both sides gerrymander to shit though

[dapper sail]

Y'know how each state automatically gets 3 EC votes? Wyoming and Alaska should just have 1 for how small their population is

Montana gets 2 still for at least maintaining 1 million people

[flat coral]

looks like Yahoo

[dapper sail]

Merge the Dakota's and they get 3 EC votes altogether

[wintry remnant]

Nate Silver had Trump winning at around 1-in-3 while a lot of other pollsters had Hillary winning 9-in-10 or better. It actually revealed a lot about how unrepresentative polling was in terms of the youth vote and the assumption of the proportion of "likely voters" coming from certain demographics which were then used to improve polling across the board. Even so, Trump winning was not a statistical anomaly (again 538 had him at a 1-in-3 chance of winning), the ball just sometimes lands on black. The polls are still useful, some people just have different methodologies.

[dapper sail]

True, 538 polling website has Trump with a 38 out of 100 chance of winning this year

That's surprising a lot knowing how Trump is

[unique terrace]

which is why we really need to increase youth voter turnout

[dapper sail]

Also another fun fact, Trump wants popular voting only despite it literally not being in his favor at all

California, Illinois, and New York carry the DNC in that case

[flat coral]

I definitely think his chances are going down but it still feels like a close-ish race (somehow)

For some reason Trump wants to flip New York 😭

[unique terrace]

we live in a racist sexist country

what's surprising about that

[wintry remnant]

538 is full of stats nerds that do politics and sports. They're basically bookies and I love them.

[flat coral]

true unfortunately

[dapper sail]

In terms of the electoral college, its a close race but in terms of the popular vote, I expect Trump to have 3 to 4% less of the popular vote compared to Kamala

[unique terrace]

that undecided vote is going to be key here

[wintry remnant]

538's forecast is now 60/39 in favor of Harris. It was 55/45 before the debate so it did something.

[dapper sail]

I wouldn't necessarily say that personally. Legally its not but there are people whom have very racist and sexist mannerisms towards people in the US (like any other country does)

[unique terrace]

I'm not sure you are qualified to say that. What is your demographic info?

[dapper sail]

You also have women who vote Trump that don't see voting Trump as supporting internalized sexism

[dapper sail]

I'm white and live in Iowa. Probably one of the most republican states you'll find but I also don't go outside enough so I'm pale as a ghost

If thats what you meant

[unique terrace]

I'm a mixed race woman living in the DC area.

pretty blue

but I still had people telling me to go back to my country in middle school

I was born in PA.

[dapper sail]

I havent seen any sexism or racism with my very own eyes but my ex gf whom is black had a suspicion about a guy following us thinking its because she was black

[unique terrace]

It's common. Racism and sexism are just accepted a lot of the time here.

It's built in

[dapper sail]

I could understand her suspicion cause the guy kept following us

[unique terrace]

American companies still allow for us to be paid less

[dapper sail]

Like damn people need to mind their own business, I still liked her (we ended on good terms thankfully) I dont date people based on skin color but on their personality

[dapper sail]

It sucks knowing that cause I was never raised that way so I always thought it wasn't common

[vapid nova]

i think it's very naive to believe racism isn't common

[dapper sail]

After that experience of a guy following my ex and I, I too have a suspicion that it could've been from racist intent but I also don't know

[dapper sail]

I just thought it was common sense to not be judgemental to people just for their skin color but I really am naive

[unique terrace]

I've had a dude give me a dirty look for being in a relationship with a white dude.

I was on the bus

[dapper sail]

Always have been

[vapid nova]

It goes beyond skin color judgement and for example saying black on black crime is unknowingly racist! so it's like id everyone ha bias even if its unintentional

[dapper sail]

Yeah when I said that, it wasn't meant out of bias by any means

I didnt mean to have any ill intent when saying that

[vapid nova]

But you have bias even if you aren't consciously aware of it. Intention doesn't always change outcome

[dapper sail]

Good point

[vapid nova]

"Implicit bias includes the subconscious feelings, attitudes, prejudices, and stereotypes an individual has developed due to prior influences and imprints throughout their lives. Individuals are unaware that subconscious perceptions, instead of facts and observations, affect their decision-making."

[unique terrace]

@dapper sail take this test: https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/takeatest.html

[dapper sail]

I did the test for Arab Muslims and I got this

There's more of these which I'll have to get to another time

Honestly, I didn't even know I had a slight automatic preference to other races

It was an interesting test

Lots of pressing on green squares

[unique terrace]

It's supposed to get you to act on your impulse, not on the things you've learned after growing up

[dapper sail]

Thats fair

On impulse I never had a problem with Muslims, I can understand where they come from as I'm a Christian

We all have our religions we follow and that's okay

Also as a kid I never understood the whole "all Muslims are terrorists" stereotype cause it didn't seem right to me at all to think that but I've seen people whom actually believed that

It's pretty messed up people think like this

[stoic lodge]

Republicans shitting their pants over the fact that democrats own and use guns

Dems just aren't nuts about guns and tie entire personality to them

[unique terrace]

A lot of it was from 9/11. Lots of US propaganda against Iraq and Iran and the whole WMD mess.

[wide pawn]

I think if I remember correctly

Registered Democrats own guns at roughly the same rate as registered Republicans

The difference is that Democrats don't see it as a toy to flaunt around everywhere you go

Okay Republicans own guns at a little higher rate but not too much more

[stoic lodge]

Yes exactly

[open cosmos]

https://vxtwitter.com/KamalaHQ/status/1836958926396338469

Wow he's blaming jewish people now

[vague canopy]

why is he tryna reenact ww2 guys...

[vapid nova]

he's just going down the minority list

[keen crane]

donald trumps list (allegedly)

• the dogs
• the cats
• the illegal transgender ailens
• Haitians
• Jewish people

u could really add anything and it'd be right tbh

[hallow epoch]

Deadass wtf

Not surprised coming from him but still

[unique terrace]

🤮 he just keeps getting worse

[hallow epoch]

Fr

[wide pawn]

Uhhhhhhh

[dapper sail]

Yeah as a kid I did hear a lot of that stuff but even as a kid it never felt right thinking that way

Guess that must mean I have a very good mother (I believe I do, I love my mom)

[dapper sail]

Thats pretty messed up that he thinks just because he supports Israel, he should have 100% of the Jewish vote

Kamala supports Israel too, 80% of US office supports Israel 😭

Trump acting like he's so different is making me cringe

[dapper sail]

He definitely has a habit of blaming other people than himself and its annoying af

RNC can do better than that man

Seriously, they need to stop voting him in

[tight karma]

loool saw this in a political email i got

[vapid nova]

thats how evangelicals think of jews (im jewish) ngl

[flat coral]

https://x.com/jdvance/status/1837139306663518459?s=46

JD Vance (@JDVance) on X

"Rushes into other room"

I was walking to the doctor (because one of my kids gave me the plague)

My comment on Mark Robinson is that Kamala Harris cast the deciding vote on the Inflation Explosion Act and because of that a lot of Americans can't afford groceries

Twitter · Sep 20, 2024, 2:38 PM

jd vance what the fuck does this mean

[wide pawn]

JD Vance's whole thing is to just deflect... poorly

Plus, the IRA did a lot of good. Like, inflation would be way worse otherwise. America did better on inflation than most of the rest of the world

I'm still surprised it's not obvious that covid caused inflation

[vague canopy]

bro is speaking another language

like legitimately what is he saying

[fresh field]

oh boi

i remember a certain other historical figure that blamed jewish people

how much more do these people have to be facist so clearly

how is it a relatively close race ???

[weary coral]

https://www.ddinstagram.com/reel/DAGvsPbxFNs/?igsh=MWR0MGQ3Ync0M2hxbw==

[dapper sail]

I cant stand the word "woke"

I swear its just this conservative buzzword that means anything they don't agree with

I'm sure it used to be meaningful and actually mean something in the past but it has lost a lot of its meaning

People called the Barbie movie "woke" when to me it was just mediocre. I didn't see anything woke about the movie, I was just mostly bored with the movie

But I've discussed my opinions on that movie before so I'll leave it at that

[weary coral]

It’s not the insult they think it is

They can’t define it - and then when they try, it’s a normal thing!

[hallow epoch]

Originally- before the right have taken and ruined the word- woke was originally an african american slang term used in the community to talk about prevalent police brutality amongst them

Now “woke” is pretty much just a trigger/buzz word in the ult right to define anything media/person that happens to identify with left wing thinking

[true swift]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8dqN6fW/ Idk where he said this but Trump said he would make the WTC in NYC a national historic site

[weary coral]

Blimey.

[hallow epoch]

Jesus fkin christ my eyes

[true swift]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-wow-oh-wow-gif-10644935457501613476

[placid jacinth]

just glancing at this made me get a headache wtf.

[dapper sail]

It's cool that he wants to protect women but he doesn't have to type in caps lock

[weary coral]

He’s not protecting women…

[dapper sail]

Yeah true

[weary coral]

Giving the states the choice on abortion is not protecting women

[dapper sail]

If anything he's inadvertently hurting women agreeing to give states rights to abortion

Especially since 15 states banned abortion entirely

[weary coral]

But I thought you said he was protecting them?

[dapper sail]

Nah I was being sarcastic, Trump ain't doing shit to protect women

Limiting access to abortion is not "protecting" anyone

I dont like abortion morally but the government should back off from it so I'll vote Democrat for a while until roe v wade comes back in

Cause that's one of the problems that actually has had an affect on people that I know and love. The rest of politics doesn't feel like it directly attacks you as much as it does with the roe v wade overturn

[wide pawn]

Multiple women have already died because of those bans

Doctors in those states will literally tell patients "you know, I heard New Mexico is very nice this time of the year" because they can't suggest an abortion to them

[dapper sail]

I have heard about those stories and they're really tragic honestly

[dapper sail]

Yeah the few states that have 0 restrictions on abortion are places I see people fleeing to

Even Alaska doesn't have really have any restrictions on abortion despite being more republican

[placid jacinth]

Why post it twice

[weary coral]

I did? I’m on shitty train WiFi

[placid jacinth]

Yes. 😭

[weary coral]

And I can’t delete one

Oh no that screenshot will send twice now

I see this

[stoic lodge]

Trump sucks!

[placid jacinth]

Yea and another one earlier in the chat

[weary coral]

https://www.ddinstagram.com/p/DAMDywvtbDk/?igsh=MTZ2b294ZDlxZWxzZA==

[placid jacinth]

That dog looks scared for its life

[west wharf]

The electoral college should be abolished.

[stoic lodge]

Trump coward for not debating harris again

[nimble furnace]

the electoral college is such a confusing concept

[wide pawn]

We might get this beautiful moment again

[flat coral]

I’m hyped to see vance get destroyed by walz

[stoic lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/thirsty-taylor-swift-cant-wait-t-swift-gif-4516690

[dapper sail]

Even Trump agrees too but it helped him win in 2016 😭

I find state representation to be extremely important so I am for the EC, it just needs better balancing

We don't have 50 stars on that flag for no reason

If we went solely on popular vote, California, Illinois, and New York would end up giving the DNC the win every single time which me personally that seems a tad bit unfair

Sure they are the most popular states but we have 47 other states we should account for

[wintry remnant]

People vote, not states.

The electoral college is biased towards states that are actively bad. If a state is bad and people have the wherewithal to leave it, it goes through a brain drain (or a brawn drain), decreasing its population thus making it is easier to gain electoral votes per capita. The EC does not reward your state being good, it does the opposite.

If we went solely on popular vote, California, Illinois, and New York would end up giving the DNC the win every single time
California has 55 electoral votes and 100% of them went to the DNC despite 34% of the Californian vote being for the GOP.
New York has 29 electoral votes and 100% of them went to the DNC despite 38% of the New Yorker vote being for the GOP.
Illinois has 20 electoral votes and 100% of them went to the DNC despite 41% of the Illinois vote being for the GOP.
This doesn't look like a particularly representative system, all things considered.

The Electoral College breeds voter suppression because of its all-or-nothing nature. Why would a Republican in California vote if it's so stacked against them? Why would a Democrat vote in Alabama if it's stacked against them? Moreover, it also breeds the willful ignorance of states in the party agenda. Why campaign in <non-swing state>? It's a sure-win/lost-cause?

[dapper sail]

Yeah ill admit I'm not for the all or nothing nature of the EC either. I just don't think voting based on popular vote is a good idea either cause people are gonna play identity politics and vote for Republican or Democrat anyway

I think both sides have its pros and cons for sure though. The EC votes you get per state should be recalculated making the EC more fair

Giving a state like Wyoming 3 EC votes is pretty unfair despite it having only 600k people

Maybe 1 or 2 would be better

[nimble furnace]

but from what i’ve seen the electoral college would only discourage people to vote?

idk how to explain what i wanna say hang on

[dapper sail]

I could see that as well as many might have the mindset of "well this candidate is gonna win anyway, not gonna vote"

[dapper sail]

With the popular vote it might also be the same thing

[wintry remnant]

This effect will always exist if it's not 1:1. You're just lessenning it but it will always be true

If all states weren't Population+2 but instead all 538 were rounding off their EV share, you're just unnecessarily complicating the Popular Vote.

It's a system set up for antiquated reasons that no longer exist.

[dapper sail]

Its not unnecessarily complicating it, I mean, the DNC would win the presidential election everytime if it was based on popular votes

[nimble furnace]

why isn’t each state split into smaller sections so each smaller section gets 1 electoral vote?

[dapper sail]

This could be a better idea tbh

Similar to the house of representatives districts

[wintry remnant]

Who's...gonna tell them...

Guys...

That's literally how it currently works...

[nimble furnace]

what

[dapper sail]

For house of representatives, yes but not for the presidency

[nimble furnace]

i thought that was just in maine and one other state

[wintry remnant]

I mean, minus the winner-take-all

But again

[dapper sail]

Maine and Nebraska are the only states that work like that

[wintry remnant]

This will still exist

You're just kicking down the ball

Don't forget gerrymandering is still a thing

[dapper sail]

Why they still have to do that gerrymandering thing

[wintry remnant]

Hey man

[dapper sail]

They should just stick to one area

[wintry remnant]

If you lose

You lose

Like, we don't redraw where the 3-point line is because a team is bad at it

[dapper sail]

That's what we're trying to do with the EC

[wintry remnant]

Okay but think of it like this

[dapper sail]

I could use that same logic towards the EC

[wintry remnant]

What is "fair"?

Is it "fair" that the system actively rewards states bleeding citizens?

Is that a reward system you want embedded in your selection process for the head of state?

A lot of college classes have a part of their grade dedicated to attendance because they want to incentivize that kind of behavior. It's like that.

Remember, at the most extreme cases, the Electoral College can have someone in the White House with 22% of the Popular Vote. Is that a situation you want to have happen?

[dapper sail]

If that situation were to happen, okay yeah it wouldn't be very fair

[wintry remnant]

But it can.

[dapper sail]

It can happen but right now it probably isn't gonna happen

[nimble furnace]

but it could though

[wintry remnant]

But it could.

This isn't like a bridge where it actually exists and so it's fine if it has a 1-in-10 million chance of happening. This is an arbitrary system process. It can just be eliminated.

[dapper sail]

Which is true, I wish the popular vote if we only kept track of that gave more importance to rural areas more than just densely populated areas

I'd imagine Trump and Kamala trying to rally in Chicago, LA, New York, etc.

We could probably go at this all day with the pros and cons of both sides

[sweet pond]

WolframAlpha did not understand what you meant by:

What is the combined population of New York City, Los Angeles, and Chicago compared to the number of voters in 2020
Try rephrasing your question! 😕

[wintry remnant]

Bro

[nimble furnace]

but with the popular vote, every person gets an equal amount of say so i’m confused at what ur talking about

[dapper sail]

Now I do get where you're coming from for sure. If we were to switch to the popular vote, I wouldn't care too much for that tbh

[wintry remnant]

The fundamental difference between people who are for and against is that people who prefer the Electoral College want some people's votes to count more than others.

[dapper sail]

Yeah but the candidates will target densely populated areas instead of places like Iowa and Nebraska cause there would be 0 point in doing that since we don't have anywhere near as many people

But then again, Trump came to our town once and never again did I want to see that

[wintry remnant]

In this case, if you're from a rural area (just from a rural area, you could be a rich fuckin' ranch owner or whatever), your vote should count double or something.

The less people around you, the more your vote should count.

If I'm alone in a state, I should be worth one entire Electoral Vote.

[dapper sail]

This I can agree on for sure

[dapper sail]

Probably not

[wintry remnant]

If a state is dominated by 1000 really rich 0.01%er ranch owners, those ranch owners are worth a couple Electoral Votes.

You see what I mean?

Sadly, the logic doesn't pan out.

[dapper sail]

Well, if it was only 1000 people, it shouldn't be worth 3 EC points

[wintry remnant]

But again

The less people around you, the more your vote should count.

[dapper sail]

Which I do agree with you the electoral college needs rebalancing

To make things more fair

[wintry remnant]

But not completely fair

[wintry remnant]

Because again, this is the premise you're working with

Not everyone's vote shall be equal.

[flat coral]

I think the electoral college needs reworking but I don’t really know how I’d rework it and I also think it might be unfair cause Republicans would almost never win in a popular vote situation

[nimble furnace]

you should have a look at how the uk does it, i feel like it’s exactly what you kinda want

[dapper sail]

Well, I cant argue that per say I mean, I dont mind either system so if the US were to overhaul the EC and switch to popular voting, I think it'd be fine with me

[wintry remnant]

I think it's not fair to create a system purely on the basis that one side has to have a 50% chance of winning

If we're rewriting the rules of basketball so that I have a 50% chance of winning against LeBron James, something's already wrong here.

[dapper sail]

Its one of this things where I may prefer one or the other but I dont care either way

[wintry remnant]

Yeah so let's not pick the system where twice this past 6 elections, suddenly a couple million people's votes get shafted.

The EC is only still here because one side benefits from it. The moment a DNC president wins the Electoral College but the GOP wins the Popular Vote, there will be hell to pay.

[dapper sail]

If it was properly calculated then it could be a bit better but yeah I do see where it's not as fair as well

[flat coral]

it will always be so crazy to me that trump won but lost the popular vote by 3 million

i remember being like 9 years old and being pissed about that

[dapper sail]

Those swing states were important for him and he won

[dapper sail]

I remember waking up for school to see he won and was like "ah well, hope he does well" (I didnt know anything about politics at the time)

[flat coral]

I didn’t know anything about politics I just knew from my parents that Trump was bad

[wintry remnant]

The existence of swing states by the way is a direct rebuttal of "but the popular vote will make it so that he only campaigns in cities"

[flat coral]

I’m pretty sure the only policy i knew about was the wall cause it was so memed 😭

[wintry remnant]

Like, they're basically the same thing

[dapper sail]

Yeah I heard a lot of Trump bad people as well but I didn't think much of it, I wasn't invested in it nor did my mom care about it at the time

[flat coral]

I don’t remember being super invested in it but like I didn’t want him to win

[dapper sail]

Also true cause they only rally at swing states

[flat coral]

I wasn’t really invested in politics until more recently

[wintry remnant]

Yeah so like what's the fuckin' difference

[dapper sail]

Valid point

[wintry remnant]

The Electoral College has no place in the post-information age world

Yall fuckin call elections while people are still in line

You don't fucking need the two-step process

Just count the votes. Convening later by committee is some illuminati new world order type shit that y'all hate anyway.

You want the GOP to have a 50% chance of winning? Just completely flip on abortion. A lot of analysts believe that that is enough to re-curry favor despite all the racist, anti-LGBT, and definitely harmful economic stuff with regards to the poor and middle class. Who knew that you just had to listen to your gosh darn constituents and base your policy ideas on what they want instead of freakin' messing with Voter Registration laws and attacking mail-in and satellite voting procedures?

[unique terrace]

PREACH

[flat coral]

this is crazy, harris bump after the 2nd assassination attempt and she’s doing better than the past 3 democrats who have won 😭

4.6% lead btw I don’t think it says it in the image

[stoic lodge]

Trump hasn't had a win in over a month lmao

[wide pawn]

Yet, he can still win

[stoic lodge]

So much bs

[flat coral]

wild that this is a close election

[wide pawn]

Biden has a bad debate performance and is pressured to drop out. Trump has a bad performance and claims it's rigged. That's American politics

[rancid minnow]

Real

[stoic lodge]

TrumpForce47 is active in my area

[flat coral]

Trump said he won’t run again in 2028 if he loses this election

If we can beat him one more time then this shitty era of American politics can finally be over

[nimble furnace]

Even if he does win, it’ll be his last time definitely

[flat coral]

But if he loses then we can avoid 4 more years of moving backwards

[stoic lodge]

DOUBT

He said the same thing about 2020 too

[flat coral]

I mean he’ll be 82

[wide pawn]

I really don't believe it lol

There are politicians in their 90s in congress right now, he won't let that stop him

[placid jacinth]

I don’t buy that tbh, he’ll be walking on a walking cane doing the same bs as always

[placid jacinth]

Ehhhh

Considering all the things he said before about being a dictator

Yea I can’t see that tbh being his last “run”

[placid jacinth]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8dwXLKK/

Ngl bro this would def be one way to get 13 yr old me to vote for blue 😭

If you would’ve shown me that like 5 years ago when I was 13 then I would’ve been on board

[hallow epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-nye-billnye-sciencerules-science-gif-5866727

[true swift]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-nye-the-science-guy-gif-10195183

[vapid nova]

in 2016 i was 15 so yeah i definitely cared about the election

[stoic lodge]

💀

[vapid nova]

girl you gotta move on from the fact that everyone is younger than you. I can't control my parents marriage timeline lol. That being said I was aware of politics around Obama's second campaign his first I was a little too young to understand

[hallow epoch]

I was 14

[flat coral]

did something happen here im confused

[unique terrace]

let's not

[stoic lodge]

The only standards Republicans have are double standards

[stoic lodge]

What happened

[vapid nova]

nothing happened lol dw yall

[flat coral]

im just confused cause it looked like it got argumentative really fast and I couldn’t find context 😭

[wide pawn]

I was 18 during the 2016 election

I've been a voter in every primary, midterm, and general election since then

[unique terrace]

that's great!

primaries and midterns are honestly the most important

[flat coral]

i think the first time I’ll be able to vote is 2026 midterms

[wide pawn]

When do you turn 18?

Also, for anyone else in this chat, if you are 18 by the general election, you can vote in primaries if you're 17

Midterms and presidential elections alike

[flat coral]

december 😭😭

i missed it by a MONTH and im probably in the most important state too

[unique terrace]

that sucks

[stoic lodge]

Tell your family to vote

[flat coral]

they are

[stoic lodge]

Ok

👍

[dapper sail]

Can confirm, Chuck Grassley is 91 and in the Iowa US senate

[rapid turtle]

That's crazy to me. Then again our oldest living former president is 99.

[dapper sail]

Yep, Jimmy Carter

He's in dialysis currently so his days are confirmed to be numbered

[rapid turtle]

Almost 100. Turns 100 in the first

[dapper sail]

Hopefully he turns 100

[rapid turtle]

Definitely.

[rapid turtle]

Yeah. Either way he out lived queen Elizabeth

[dapper sail]

Man I'm not feeling too confident in this election

Lets just say whomever wins, the other side will be extremely pissed

I'm reluctantly voting Democrat this election due to the roe v wade overturn as that truly has affected people I know and love

[rapid turtle]

Your poor football team. I'm sorry for all the injuries that your guys QB has gotten

[dapper sail]

Yeah Tua's been struggling to stay injury free these days

[rapid turtle]

I'm lucky that my state voted to keep it.

[stoic lodge]

Maga will be angier

[dapper sail]

Thankfully he's okay

[stoic lodge]

Sore losers

[dapper sail]

I'm curious if all 50 states vote on that or if its just a handful of states that do that

[dapper sail]

Fr, they still think that there was election fraud

[wide pawn]

I just hope he at least lives to vote for Harris

He lives in Georgia

[dapper sail]

I'm sure he will

[wide pawn]

He turns 100 in just a week

[rapid turtle]

Idk. The state to the right of us voted to get rid of it. So I think they straight up made a law if they come to my state and do things that they will throw you in jail but also I could be thinking about Texas or Florida.

[stoic lodge]

Since the Supreme Court’s Dobbs decision overturning Roe v. Wade, voters in 6 states have weighed in on constitutional amendments regarding abortion, and the side favoring access to abortion prevailed in every state. In 4 of these states – California, Michigan, Ohio, and Vermont – measures amending the state constitution to protect the right to abortion were approved by voters and in the other 2 states – Kentucky and Kansas – measures seeking to curtail the right to abortion failed.

[dapper sail]

Yeah we need roe v wade back

[wide pawn]

Even more states are voting this time, Nebraska is holding 2 initiatives. One to curtail rights, one to enact rights. Whichever initiative gets more votes gets enacted

[stoic lodge]

In 2024, up to 10 states may have abortion measures on their ballot seeking to either affirm that the state constitution protects the right to abortion or that nothing in the constitution confers such a right. There are two routes a measure may be placed on the ballot: citizen initiative and legislative referral.

—Legislatively-referred measures are introduced and approved by lawmakers before they appear on the ballot for citizens to vote on.
—Citizen-initiated measures are written by citizen groups and are placed on the ballot if they receive enough signatures.

[dapper sail]

Interesting, hopefully Iowa is one of the 10 states

[rapid turtle]

Oh how sometimes I love my state. (But not for COVID that I didn't like)

[stoic lodge]

Abortion-Related State Constitutional Amendment Measures that Are Confirmed for the 2024 Ballot as of August 23, 2024
Click on the buttons below to see information about these measures:
All measures Citizen-initiated Legislatively-referred

Multiple Measures (1 state)
Confirmed - 2024 ballot
Protect Abortion Rights (10 states)
Confirmed - 2024 ballot (10 states, including Nebraska)
Curtailing Abortion (1 state)
Confirmed - 2024 ballot (Nebraska)

[rapid turtle]

Yay being the first state to have a massive outbreak of COVID. 😭

[stoic lodge]

It's not

[dapper sail]

Darn, well whatever the 10 states are, hopefully they vote pro-choice

[stoic lodge]

And the 'up to 10 states' isn't like a limit, just with the speed things move

[rapid turtle]

What are the 10 states?

[dapper sail]

I'm more pro-choice politically cause not everyone has religious values whom absolutely hates abortion

[rapid turtle]

I'm so not awake enough to read things correctly.

[dapper sail]

I'm more pro-life morally due to myself personally as a Christian but its okay to be pro-choice. It's never an easy decision to make when having an abortion

[stoic lodge]

Nevada, Montana, Arizona, Colorado, South Dakota, Nebraska, Missouri, New York, Florida, Maryland

[dapper sail]

I'll never encourage abortion but I'll never tell someone to never get one y'know

[rapid turtle]

Of course Florida. Hopefully enough people are pro in that state

[dapper sail]

I think the majority of people are pro-choice in terms of abortion in the US

I think many vote republican for other reasons that aren't social policies

[rapid turtle]

Except the supreme court

[stoic lodge]

Arkansas secretary of state disqualified citizen-initiated measure. It was appealed and arkansas supreme court upheld it. So it's not on the ballot

[dapper sail]

Yep, and all the republicans in office unfortunately

[rapid turtle]

So almost all of Florida and Texas

[dapper sail]

It's one of the main republican values these days

[stoic lodge]

Maine and New Hampshire measures failed to get it on the ballot

[dapper sail]

and the midwest, south, and Alaska

[stoic lodge]

Republicans obsessed with fetuses until they are born

[rapid turtle]

I think mine was literally just the state supreme court and the governor

[dapper sail]

Alaska despite being republican, makes abortion fully legal

Alaska is like, "we don't have a high population and we have terrible winters, lets make abortion legal"

[rapid turtle]

According to trump we can deal with fetuses even after they are born

[stoic lodge]

Every state is different too

With measures and how stuff gets put on ballots

[rapid turtle]

I'm never moving to Alaska because of its winters

[stoic lodge]

Bro just cited Trump 💀

[dapper sail]

That's fair

[stoic lodge]

[rapid turtle]

I'm not for trump don't worry. It's just crazy that he said that

[dapper sail]

Trump is a gaslighter, he'll blatantly lie to you and then at the same time say something he actually believes in

[rapid turtle]

100%

[dapper sail]

Politicians tend to lie but Trump does it with so much confidence it's almost like he believes his own lies

Its crazy

[rapid turtle]

Yeah. It literally made the debate so much more crazier than I was expecting

[dapper sail]

Definitely

[naive robin]

trump is handing out money to voters,, isn't that a federal crime?

[wide pawn]

Probably

[stoic lodge]

Definitely but that doesn't stop trump

[flat coral]

i think so but he’s already 34 counts deep and nothing has happened so he knows he can get away with shit

[open cosmos]

https://newrepublic.com/post/186239/donald-trump-full-holocaust-immigration

[unique terrace]

I just got my mail in ballot yesterday

[minor cosmos]

Oh hey, I’ve seen this one before!

[wide knoll]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=u9-cjwpthz4

Kamala Harris on Taylor Swift (8:30): "I am very proud to have the support of Taylor Swift. She's an incredible artist. I really respect the courage that she has had in her career to stand up for what she believes is right."

[placid jacinth]

I saw that video

[sonic wedge]

older people in this server act entitled when it comes to having mature discussions with us younglings

[stoic lodge]

Younglings

[nimble furnace]

how old are you then

[stoic lodge]

I am older than Taylor Swift 💀

[true swift]

💀

[nimble furnace]

oldling

[stoic lodge]

That's right

[nimble furnace]

:)

[open cosmos]

1999 gang lol

[nimble furnace]

the whole age thing doesn’t matter, everyone should be informed on politics no matter if they’re like 9 or 100 😭

[stoic lodge]

Nah 9 year old needs to be a kid

[nimble furnace]

i agree with you, they can be a kid whilst being informed abt what’s going on around them in an age appropriate way, schools do this already tho

[stoic lodge]

They need to go see a star wars

[true swift]

https://tenor.com/view/darth-vader-lightsaber-obi-wan-kenobi-star-wars-sith-gif-25841882

[open cosmos]

Why the skull emoji reaction lol

[true swift]

Yes everyone must see Star Wars

[hallow epoch]

Hot take: i hate star wars

[true swift]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-skywalker-star-wars-tusken-raider-lightsaber-slash-gif-16620154

[sonic wedge]

yes

i am young, you are not

[stoic lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-treason-star-wars-emperor-gif-8547403

[hallow epoch]

😂 sorry but as someone who was forced to watch it all the time as a child i do not like it

[true swift]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-i-am-the-senate-gif-10270130

[stoic lodge]

I'm still young 💀

[sonic wedge]

i swear ur almost double my age

if you are older than taylor then you are quite old, especially in an online space

and why do you constantly react with skull emojis? can you not just have a conversation

[stoic lodge]

I'm dying

[sonic wedge]

whatever man

[stoic lodge]

41 days to election

[hallow epoch]

Insane that trumps publicist is called winning team

[placid jacinth]

Just block them and they won’t be able to react to your msgs with skull emojis

[placid jacinth]

Crazy stuff

[sonic wedge]

yeah i already have, thank you surprised i haven't done it sooner

[placid jacinth]

No problem!

[nimble furnace]

you used to be nice! what happened?

[stoic lodge]

I'm still nice idk

Politics

I use skull react a lot

People do crying emote all the time

[stoic lodge]

Harris leads Trump by 32 points among young voters in new polling

Still gotta vote

[wide pawn]

If young people actually voted at the same rate as old people Harris would win a landslide

It's sad that young people don't see the value in voting

[dapper sail]

Honestly, I am beginning to start not seeing the value in voting anymore

I still vote but I dont care who someone votes for or who wins. It's the same shit every year.

[wide pawn]

Trump kinda changed that feeling for me

I voted for Gary Johnson in 2016 because I was so apathetic about the election. I just want anything to escape Trumpism at this point

[nimble furnace]

It could either be a felon who only sees the past or someone who actually is thinking about the future though

[dapper sail]

Kamala's gonna win anyway knowing how well she's doing in polls

Actually, I can't say that quite so soon

But she has a higher chance of winning compared to Trump

[noble flame]

I’m predicting that Florida! will flip. The polls are showing Trump is 1% ahead, and margin of error is 4.5%. Kamala may be as much as 3.5% ahead. Florida may just flip and make it a nightmare for him.

[nimble furnace]

I hope trump doesn’t run again next time

[unique terrace]

I don't think he'll stop running until he is physically unable to

[nimble furnace]

I agree 😭

But tbf it won’t be long until he’s too old, physically I think he could run again once more

Unfortunately

[stoic lodge]

Trump said he won't run again

But he lies about everything so...

[nimble furnace]

yeah he has an inability to give up

[stoic lodge]

Hopefully he in jail

[wide pawn]

Idk the Gallup polls are very concerning to me

[vapid nova]

thats how you let trump win lol

[wide pawn]

Gallup polls have been tracking additudes towards parties each electiod and they've been pretty accurate at predicting the margin of victory. They currently have R+3 🫠

Now, Trump is an unprecedented candidate and may defy previous trends. But this is Trump's election to lose imo

[wintry remnant]

The nerds at 538 currently have the election at 55/45 in favor of Harris

[wide pawn]

Kamala is the underdog

[wintry remnant]

It depends on how it shakes out in NV, NC, PA, GA, and AZ

Pennsylvania is a must-win for Trump though and the polls have that race in somewhat a dead heat

In 2016, PA was R+<1. In 2020, PA was D+1.

But if Harris can lock down MI, WI, and PA, that's the election right there.

Michigan was D+3 in 2020 and is currently polling at D+2.

Wisconsin in 2020 was D+<1 but is now polling at around D+1.5.

If we naively say that WI and MI are for Harris, then Pennsylvania is all that's needed for 270

[wide pawn]

Polls had Biden ahead by like huge margins in 2020 and strongly underestimated Trump

Supposedly they adjusted for polling errors this year but there's no reason to think there's not new errors

Kamala could keep the blue wall based on polling, but that's a big if

[wintry remnant]

You're not wrong. 538 had the election forecasted at 53/45 in 2020 but in actuality it was 51/47

Right now, they forecast a 51/49 so it's gonna be close (Holy fuck why the fuck is this close, America truly needs a fucking wake up call)

[stoic lodge]

Vp debate next week

Number will shift hopefully vance blows it and harris gets a boost

[sonic wedge]

does anyone else feel quite bad for chappell roan right now due to the backlash she is being given over not endorsing

[wide pawn]

America never went through fascist authoritarianism but I guess we might fuck around and find out

[vapid nova]

because people like our friend Dolphins > Chiefs over here say things like "Honestly, I am beginning to start not seeing the value in voting anymore. Kamala's gonna win anyway knowing how well she's doing in polls." and don't vote. When in reality if all these people voted elections wouldn't be nearly as close!

[stoic lodge]

No

[vapid nova]

and idc that its an asshole move to call someone out in chat because it's the perfect example of what not voting leads to!!

[sonic wedge]

not voting is a vote for trump

[sonic wedge]

i don't think it's an asshole move, i think people need to realise how important voting is

you cannot not vote and then complain about the state of your country

[wide pawn]

It's just not productive to say that kind of thing

[wintry remnant]

Always vote.

[wide pawn]

Like, I think not voting is a mistake. But you have to encourage people to vote and show why it's important

[vapid nova]

its not to shame him though its just a good example of what im talking about lol

[sonic wedge]

it's also not productive to not vote

[wide pawn]

Let's use the Wisconsin model. In 2020, if you took the average of every precinct in the state, Biden won every precinct by just 2 votes. That means if people across the state just got 2 people on their neighborhood to vote, that could change the entire election

[dapper sail]

You're not wrong, people thought Hillary would win in 2016 and she lost

[vapid nova]

I'm saying this kind of logic is why our elections remain so close lol not that "GO SHAME HIM because he said this" im just explaining using an example we can all see

[dapper sail]

I'm still voting Kamala dw

[wide pawn]

A few years ago, the balance of power in the Virginia legislature was decided by literally 1 vote

[stoic lodge]

Good

[vapid nova]

yeah i wasn't like calling you directly i was just saying that line of thinking is why we have small margins because you aren't the only person thinking that way its a large amount of people that could sway a vote lol

[dapper sail]

I dont know who that is but celebrities don't need to endorse anyone if they don't want to

[vapid nova]

literally all i said lmaoo basically the same thing you're saying

[dapper sail]

Patrick Mahomes isn't endorsing anybody and I dont hate the guy for it

[stoic lodge]

"It's just one vote, what difference does that make?" It does when a million+ others feel the same way

[sonic wedge]

she's being slammed for not endorsing kamala, but she has said she is voting kamala. she doesn't agree with some democrat policies so she doesn't want to endorse them.

[wide pawn]

In Arizona, the Attorney General won by less than 500 votes. That affected their 1864 abortion ban after Roe, which meant it never got enforced

Point being, every vote counts

[vapid nova]

well i did say that ! so...

[dapper sail]

True, I think voting is absolutely important but it can be complicated and stressful for many to decide cause even I'm having my doubts on voting Kamala but I think its for the best I do vote her

[stoic lodge]

She is singer

[wide pawn]

I don't blame him

[sonic wedge]

[vapid nova]

and that's exactly how it should be!! its not fun to vote always but its your civic responsibility

[dapper sail]

That's understandable, I'm a bipartisan type of person as well so I get where she's coming from where she'll vote Kamala but doesn't necessarily "endorse" her

There's things about Kamala that can be concerning with her, just like any other candidate

Its the trust factor mostly, is she trustworthy enough

[wintry remnant]

You see

If Kamala was going up against like

A decent human being that concedes elections they've lost

I could understand the skepticism

[wide pawn]

I think in my eyes, if you're a queer ally, you should do what's going to benefit the queer community. One side is LGBT-friendly. The other side is hell bent on eroding LGBT rights. This is a two party system, there's no room for "both sides have problems" noise. Do what it takes to protect the community. In my eyes, that means supporting Kamala

[wintry remnant]

That's why literally no one on the planet earth understands how close this race is.

[wide pawn]

So no, I don't really feel bad for Chappell tbh

[vapid nova]

I think this was the major problem in 2016. People already had skepticism for Hillary and so yeah

[wintry remnant]

You're literally staring at a children's picture-book level example of who shouldn't be president looking at you straight in the face and yet, you're giving the only feasible alternative skepticism?

[wide pawn]

I didn't vote for Clinton but that's because she really had an ass campaign. Kamala isn't making the same mistakes

[vapid nova]

well you see when women,,, liberal.... poc..... scary (its more complex than that obviously)

[sonic wedge]

she literally said she's voting kamala

[vapid nova]

that's not what im saying lmao. im saying that was the problem in 2016

[wide pawn]

Well yeah

[wintry remnant]

Imagine voting for someone whose winrate in elections is 50% xddd

[wide pawn]

I missed that tbh, but that's good

[vapid nova]

that was literally all i was saying

[sonic wedge]

i said it

[wintry remnant]

And the only reason they won an election is because their party has to fuck around with voter registration because they can't actually get votes from people

Absolutely pathetic.

[wide pawn]

Did you know in 2018 the North Dakota Republican government made it so Native Americans on reservations don't have valid addresses for voting right before a Democrat Senator was up for reelection? They're truly evil

[sonic wedge]

also you say LGBT, yet haven't the democrats avoided most talk around transgender citizens? it was barely mentioned at the DNC.

[wintry remnant]

Republican moment.

[sonic wedge]

i swear i read something about how they've been asked to speak up more about transgender rights? not sure when i read it though

[wide pawn]

Still friendlier than the GOP. Biden nominated the first trans woman to i think literally any position in the federal government ever

[sonic wedge]

biden is not the one running this time 🫡

[wide pawn]

Rachel Levine, that's her name

[wintry remnant]

The DNC knows that if they make a serious stance against trans people, it may alienate more centrist voters. Instead, they're letting silence by implication work to their benefit. The GOP is actively trying to fuck over trans people so if the DNC says nothing, it'll quietly signal that the DNC is cool with trans people especially since they're outspoken on their stance on LGBT as an umbrella.

[wide pawn]

Perfectly said.

[wintry remnant]

All trans people know that they won't be skullfucked by the DNC so they're voting for them anyway. But if the DNC actively says it out loud, it might risk their performance in the polls for people who are on the fence. People on the fence are extremely fickle.

[wide pawn]

The DNC this year, like or or not, did a good job understanding the broad voting population

Americans are much much more centrist than both parties have you believe

[wintry remnant]

"Centrist" is a relative term.

You're all on the right.

[wide pawn]

Centrist in America is conservative globally yeah

[vapid nova]

actually im on the east

[wide pawn]

Democrats are basically UK Tories

[wintry remnant]

lmao

[cursive pulsar]

Very true lol

[dapper sail]

America is much more on the right on a universal political spectrum

[sonic wedge]

the tories are anti trans

they are NOT the same thing

[wide pawn]

A few exceptions

[dapper sail]

Republicans: further right
Democrats: still on the right but slightly less right

[sonic wedge]

tories are equal to republicans

[vapid nova]

also aren't they anti-immigration

[wintry remnant]

True but that's just modern political discourse in a nutshell

[sonic wedge]

yeah

[vapid nova]

its interesting how europes anti-immigration policies have islamophobic undertones WITH racist ones

[wintry remnant]

This has like 2 pixels

[dapper sail]

One helps you lose weight in a painful way, the other one gives you cool puppy

[sonic wedge]

they also hate old people, hate students, hate immigration, hate trans people, hate welfare support

[wide pawn]

More like... everyone gets a puppy wins more votes but we still get diarrhea forever

[stoic lodge]

All I could afford in this meme economy

[sonic wedge]

the democrats are not equal to the tories

[vapid nova]

the way i sent too early and it just said "its interesting how europes" that was funny

[sonic wedge]

LMAO

[wintry remnant]

In conclusion, go vote. Thank you.

[stoic lodge]

Europe is pretty curious though 🧐

Especially architecture and places that were rebuilt after the wars

[vapid nova]

europe vs always being 2 steps from fascism is fun (the call is coming from inside the house i know)

[sonic wedge]

i am very lucky i'm scottish because if i lived in any other country in europe i would not be happy

[vapid nova]

valid although not a good place for me either 😭 but im used to that

[sonic wedge]

😭

[nimble furnace]

There are 50 countries in Europe with different laws, which ones are you talking about?

[vapid nova]

i meant the entire continent actually this time. mainly western europe because eastern europe is already there

[sonic wedge]

europe in general has a major problem with immigration currently

like come on, have you seen the parties being elected in western europe right now?

far right german politics is growing to an immense rate

france almost slipped into far right not long ago

[vapid nova]

poland genuinely is less than 2 steps from 1945 these days i fear

[nimble furnace]

Honestly idk much about politics except the uk and USA so 😭

[sonic wedge]

not me going to poland next feb

[cursive pulsar]

It’s so scary everywhere right now honestly. The next Canadian election will be the same as the US election currently

[vapid nova]

dw you'll probbaly be fine

[stoic lodge]

Thinking of trump name dropping Viktor Orbán during the debate lmao

[sonic wedge]

🧱

[cursive pulsar]

Trump is basically just writing Mein Kampf ( the American version ) at this rate

[nimble furnace]

Who would even vote for trump ever, he’s quite clearly just stupid

[sonic wedge]

apparently almost half of the voters in america

it's wild to me

[vapid nova]

honestly its a whole thing lol

[sonic wedge]

its weird how different it is in america to the UK, we vote for the party not the party leader

[nimble furnace]

He’s always been portrayed as a terrible president to me and most people here

[vapid nova]

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/chance-trump-youth-rally-see-him-answer-economic-woes-2024-04-21/

[sonic wedge]

he's like boris but worse

boris is a saint compared to trump 😭

[vapid nova]

also trumps whole being famous before is a factor sadly

[nimble furnace]

Yeah it’s a lot easier for people who don’t follow politics to make a decision too, because they can just vote for the mp who would do the best for their local area ig

[cursive pulsar]

Trump affirms bigotry in a lot of Americans from red states , it makes him an easy sell for those who fear progressive change

[vapid nova]

i am obsessed with trump going to the georgia v alabama game this weekend

[dapper sail]

Honestly, I've noticed that's the main reason people vote for Trump

Either that or COD players whom havent grown up from their "toxic shit-head" phase

Can confirm, I play COD and you find a lot of those people who talk the most shit voting for Trump

Its just COD culture so I take it with a grain of salt, it can be funny sometimes as long as its not too far

Though when someone talks, I just mute them cause I'm scared to talk to people 😭

[flat coral]

have vp debates influenced polls/elections in the past

I guess there’s really no way to say but I just want hope that this election can be less close by november

[sonic wedge]

from an outsiders perspective, the vp debate seems to be of ill importance

[wide pawn]

Not usually. Although, Pence having a fly on his head sold some Biden fly swatters lol

[stoic lodge]

People were like Trump tells it like it is!

Yeah he lies

[nimble furnace]

I will never understand why people have conservative views on things

[flat coral]

I mean some of the views are understandable but the bigotry that comes from the right is absurd

[stoic lodge]

Chappell Roan says they are not voting for Trump

[vapid nova]

well yes we knew she wasn't

[stoic lodge]

She said it outright after backlash from her other comment

About both sides

Hopefully she votes for harris

[noble flame]

Aside from the polls, as they are a snapshot, Allan Lichtman has called the 2024 election for Kamala Harris. Shia keys say it points towards a Democratic win this year.

[west wharf]

Do you know how many presidents we've had that lost the popular vote?

[west wharf]

Sounds like me back then, too. In 2016.

I didn't necessarily want him to win, but I didn't care either.

To be fair, in 2016, i wasn't even of voting age yet
(Born 2002)

[west wharf]

That's why he won't say he'll ban it!!

I don't think rump is quite as stupid as people think.

He's just a narcissist. And losing...quite literally hurts him. A

[west wharf]

Y'all, it says "Concerns about Biden"

He dropped out.

Don't look at those. Articles and polls are always biased

[vapid nova]

this is just an example of why people support trump

[west wharf]

Because of someone that's not running?

CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS, please use them.

Rump is bad for the economy. People know this unless they're southern & brainwashed. (Like certain people over in Louisiana where I live)

That's the "people" they're talking about

[stoic lodge]

Just seen a guy driving around putting up trump vance signs in empty areas near stop signs

Never seen it in the act they usually just spring up overnight

[rich flume]

Forget Biden + Trump…

[stoic lodge]

He put one up across from my house I see it out my front window 💀

It's on someone's property so hopefully they take it down

Unless he is delivering signs to people who ordered 💀

[wide pawn]

She said she's voting for Harris

Tbh, she should at least endorse Harris not because she 100% agrees with everything about her, but because it's the best bet at motivating her fans to vote against the man who wants to dehumanize queer people

Like, Trump's agenda basically would be that trans people shouldn't exist

[dapper sail]

Aww how cute

[sonic wedge]

i'm sorry but fans of chappell roan will not vote trump lmao

her demographic is extremely gen z and lgbt+, i doubt they'd even consider voting trump

[wide pawn]

It's more about telling them the importance of voting

You won't always find a candidate you agree with 100% but you've gotta weigh your pros and cons and make your voice heard

[sonic wedge]

she done that? she said they need to vote

has anyone actually watched her videos speaking about it?

[wide pawn]

I didn't say she didn't say that

[nimble furnace]

I don’t get why she’s not definitely for Kamala though

[sonic wedge]

it's more being against the democrats as a whole due to their lack of discussion on trans rights and lack of direct support for palestine i think

[nimble furnace]

ohh

[stoic lodge]

Trump requested two Filet-O-Fish sandwiches with cheese from McDonald’s, stadium hotdogs, Domino’s pizza and Diet Coke, Mayers said. Trump has previously requested McDonald’s while visiting Alabama, state GOP officials said.

Trump attending a football game this weekend this is his order lmao

“I’m a very clean person. I like cleanliness,” Trump told Cooper of his reason for eating fast food while traveling.

“I think you’re better off going there than someplace that you maybe have no idea where the food is coming from. It’s a certain standard. But I think the food is good.”

He's a toddler

[vapid nova]

he is to be fair in the SEC and as someone who went to an SEC school he’s fitting right in

[stoic lodge]

That's like what he eats all the time

[vapid nova]

oh ik i was just saying

[nimble furnace]

i don’t think we should be judging politicians on what they eat 😭

[stoic lodge]

I will especially compared to the image of himself he tries to portray to everyone/the media

(Specifically presidents)

Great honor to be invited to the white house for dinner with the president and they serve fast food 💀

[hallow epoch]

thats crazzzyyy

Imagine being the fking president and all you buy your guest is fuckin mcdonalds

[sonic wedge]

no offence right

but to me, mcdonald's seems like a 5 star meal to a trumpie

😭 they love that shit, it's MERICA! 🦅

[hallow epoch]

Crazy

[sonic wedge]

i bet at that meeting someone said "good old american food" 😭

[hallow epoch]

I mean i am a super picky eater but if i was the president i wouldnt be doing that lmaooooo but no u are making sense

[rich flume]

IJBOL

[hallow epoch]

Kill me 😭😭

[sonic wedge]

i'd get popeyes instead, i'm cultured

[hallow epoch]

What does that mean? I forget acronyms a lot lol

[rich flume]

Almost didn’t notice he was in the picture, he so yellow I thought he was just a big French fry

[rich flume]

I just burst out laughing

[rich flume]

LMFAOOO

[hallow epoch]

Ty lol

[hallow epoch]

Im ngl im not a big fan of popeyes bc the texture of the chicken im sorry 😭 i got those white taste buds

[sonic wedge]

the popeyes i've had is UK popeyes so i'm not sure if there's a difference in the type of chicken used? if you get me

because we have extremely strict food standards when it comes to meat 😭

[hallow epoch]

Ah ok

[sonic wedge]

i loved it when i had it, the biscuit shook me though it was weird having a scone with chicken

[hallow epoch]

I love southern biscuits is the best thpe of biscuit ever

[nimble furnace]

i’ve had it too in the uk it was amazing

[open cosmos]

I mean trump does eat pizza crust first

Which is ew lol

His food habits are usually weird

[stoic lodge]

Have you heard about that before

[hallow epoch]

No

[stoic lodge]

Yeah it's wild

Trump always makes it about himself too

[west plover]

eric adams indicted, what a crazy year for us politics

[wide pawn]

More like what a crazy 3 months for politics

[noble flame]

Some good news from Scotland:

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/donald-trump-among-those-owed-over-1m-by-collapsed-discount-voucher-site-5pm?utm_source=app

Trump owed £1m ($1.34m)that he won’t get as the company no longer exists. Sad to see 27 people loose their jobs, good thing is Trump lost money, again.

[stoic lodge]

States removing registered voters from their lists is scary. Double check your voter status, esp if you moved or haven't voted recently

Tell your friends and family to check their statuses too

[weary coral]

Starmer to meet Trump for the first time https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2439897mg2o

[vague canopy]

do you know which states are removing voters?

[stoic lodge]

It has been happening in a few states. You would have to check your specific state.

I read this morning 747,000 removed from north Carolina voter rolls so that's why I shared that message

If you were removed, it may not be too late to register again

These numbers were removed over last 20 months, so people are encouraged to double check their current status

[wide pawn]

Purging voter rolls is typically a normal process... however some states are trying to purge voter rolls for very shady reasons

In Texas some people were registricted from voting to "prove eligibility" but are allowed to vote upon doing so. The problem is that these people weren't told they were still eligible to vote... they basically suggested they were disqualified

The GOP is just trying to make it harder to vote like they always do

[stoic lodge]

Yep sorry to come off fear mongering but it's important to double check your status, even if cleaning up voter roll is routine

Lots of other times if tuned away at the polls you just vote next election but we really need everyone to vote THIS election

And if many people only vote in the general election, that's 4 years between voting

[wide pawn]

I'm lucky to live in a state where same day voter registration is an option, but that's not most states

The fact that voter registration isn't a default just by turning 18 but signing up for the draft is shows you just how backwards the system is

[dapper sail]

McDonalds is great

He did a commercial with McDonald's at some point in his life

https://youtu.be/W4QNXnNftWk?si=6GlZdpc3n5nQ0Krm

But yeah you'd think the president would order better alternatives other than McDonald's

[stoic lodge]

It's not though lol

Wake up babe new trump grift just dropped

https://gettrumpwatches.com/collections/tourbillon

$100K and only 147 available

[wide pawn]

I have a guilty pleasure for the filet-o-fish at mcdonalds

It's just good

[nimble furnace]

real

[gritty ridge]

OH BOY.

[wide pawn]

The funny thing is that I'm pretty sure most of the money that Trump is making from selling gold plated junk is actually to pay for his legal fees, not his campaign

[stoic lodge]

Yeah lol real funny

[wide pawn]

When they were digging into his family's financials, they did actually find out he's hemorrhaging money. Like, when he wrote the Art of the Deal he actually lost tens of millions that same year. He makes a quick buck off junk to pay for legal fees

...now that I think of it, that might explain why Kamala is dominating the campaign fundraising. Instead of telling his supporters to donate to his campaign, he's getting them to foot the bill of his lawsuits

🤣

He's not even allowed to campaign in multiple cities across the country because he hasn't paid them back for his rallies

[wheat dune]

Is it Kamala now

[sonic oyster]

Politics is a sad thing 💔

[sonic wedge]

😭

[vague canopy]

HELP THE WINK AT THE END

[rich flume]

Giggling rn

[placid jacinth]

💀

[wide pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/wot-wtf-wut-what-girl-gif-15824407

[weary coral]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/27/politics/mark-robinson-hospitalized/index.html

[hallow epoch]

I just watched a video from dangelo wallace on all the racist things he said

[wide pawn]

So it's a nothing burger story

How he has fans and supporters still is wild

He was behind 17 points in the newest post-scandal poll

💀

[stoic lodge]

Trump saying all these things about harris but what does that say about trump when harris won the debate 🤔

[dapper sail]

I don't know anything about that situation but hopefully they'll be okay after the 2nd degree burns

[stoic lodge]

He touched a hot exhaust pipe on a truck lmao

It wasn't anything nefarious

[dapper sail]

Ah, fair enough

[stoic lodge]

Lol Vance tried to hold a meet and greet at a restaurant without letting owners know and he got kicked out lmao get bent

[wide pawn]

I'm honestly baffled how Trump still has a decent chance of winning

[stoic lodge]

for real these polls are still way too close

people really do want diarrhea forever

[wide pawn]

There were some very concerning polls today from AltasIntel

They were apparently pretty accurate in 2020 and 2022

I mean, there's also lots of good polls. It's anyone's guess how the results will compare

[west plover]

the republicans not running decent candidates on the state levl and being shocked they lost🤯

[stoic lodge]

Yeah in AZ lake is polling like double digits behind. Yet trump has a slight lead over harris. Very curious 🤔

[wide pawn]

Gubernatorial races don't usually affect presidential

NC may be an exception this year

[weary coral]

Funniest thing this week was Piers Morgan saying that he’s ’not a right wing media outlet’

[stoic lodge]

Yes but it shows people are not voting by party down the ballot. They sick of lake

[minor cosmos]

It’s hard to run decent candidates when your belief system explicitly requires you to not be decent

[vapid nova]

look at their sample profile it explains a lot

and they sampled about 1,000 under the typical political poll sample size

[wide pawn]

So they're basically assuming turnout when polling

That's where turnout can make the biggest difference. Young people need to vote more!

[vapid nova]

I don’t think a 68% white sample population is very representative of voters as a whole of the united states. my point was the poll is really most reflective of white suburban women ages 45-64 which would make sense for trump to win by that margin in this poll. I think its just not a fully fair thing to look at this as the overall trend beyond the factors.

i

[minor cosmos]

What does partisanship mean when polled? Aren’t they asking who they’re voting for anyways?

[wide pawn]

The thing is, white voters do vote at higher rates

Pollsters make assumptions based on previous elections for turnout. So like, historically, older white people vote at very very high rates. Like 80% of them. Black voters don't vote as often (partially due to voter suppression! Republicans strip them of voting access in black communities)

Like, women being polled at 53% is actually kinda real, women do actually vote at slightly higher rates then men

What we can hope for it that minority groups and young people turnout in record numbers. Tell all your friends the important of this election

On a side note, Ann Selzer actually runs a very accurate polling site, but it's exclusive to Iowa. Her latest poll had Trump only ahead 4% in Iowa, which is actually a real problem for him if true. And apparently, her poll doesn't make these assumptions or asks unrelated questions. She just asks them point blank how they will vote, and it works

Anyway, the tl;dr version of this is that polls can be wrong. Everything is in the margin of error. Keep your foot on the gas pedal and get out the vote until the polls close on November 5th ✊️

[true swift]

Well people in the Mountains of N.C and Tenn will not be able to vote cause of all the damage

[wide pawn]

I hope they're able to clean up that mess in the next 5 weeks so their voices can be heard

I guess Biden's Helene response will influence some of their votes

[true swift]

Going to take way longer then 5

[true swift]

Ture

[true swift]

A hole town got wiped off the map it's going to take way longer then 5 weeks to clean up everything

[hidden dragon]

just saw the worst edited trump ad ever