US Politics

[wide pawn]

Oh yeah, Trump is so upset he picked Vance

[stoic lodge]

He's doing these interviews and stuff since he knows people aren't showing up to the rallies

[wide pawn]

Trump's advisors are begging him to stop complaining about Kamala and start talking about real policy and he just keeps ranting about stupid stuff

[placid jacinth]

He’s still on the couch like they say

[stoic lodge]

Of alllllllll the people to compare kamala harris to, why would Vance say Jeffery Epstein? LMAO

Like you're flying in his jet

[wide pawn]

Yeah that, if Biden was on his jet the Republicans would be all over that story

[marsh panther]

the thing i've noticed with trump is

[wide pawn]

Also happy birthday!

[stoic lodge]

Remember Obama wore that tan suit?

[marsh panther]

i think he and his team were not at all prepared for biden to actually drop out

cause all his attacks and stuff hinged on joe

like he literally said yesterday he spent 100 mil to go after joe this and that

[stoic lodge]

Yep exactly. Their main argument was "Biden old!!!!!"

[wide pawn]

That too, they wanted months and millions of dollars on Joe

[marsh panther]

and the other thing too

[wide pawn]

And now if Trump is elected, Trump would become the oldest person ever elected president

[marsh panther]

trump has legit no like "name" for kamala cause like that's always been trump's thing

[placid jacinth]

They never were, especially when their main argument was that he had dementia and is old and stuff

[marsh panther]

like his charisma his namecalling

sleepy joe
crooked hillary

what the fuck is laughing kamala

it's so weak

[wide pawn]

He came up with "Kamabla" recently

[stoic lodge]

Now trump is the old guy and the dems finally finally learned to start throwing stuff back at the reps

[wide pawn]

Like 💀

[stoic lodge]

And reps are getting all offended freaking snowflakes

[placid jacinth]

If someone put laughing in front of my name I wouldn’t be offended by the slightest

[marsh panther]

like it's kinda wild how in the span of what a month or so it's gone from polls wise trump having a huge lead to it almost feels like the tides shifting in favor of kamala

[stoic lodge]

There's nothing more trump hates than being talked down to by a successful black woman

[wide pawn]

I will say, one reason Trump did so well up until now is because he's bold in action and takes risks. Democrats weren't taking risks up until Biden dropping out. And it's paying off

[marsh panther]

i'm actually glad joe did drop out like i'm glad he listened to the democrats that were pushing for him to drop

[wide pawn]

Biden also needed it for himself. He seems so much happier now

[stoic lodge]

I'd say I hope trump is shitting his pants but I think he already does that on a daily basis

Biden is old and this is much better for him and schedule

[marsh panther]

yeah he's been throwing shots and all it's like damn maybe he WAS actually sick during that debate

[placid jacinth]

Tbh at first I was a bit scared I was like shit maybe we’re all going to hell. Then the Kamala support just flooded in and I regained confidence

[stoic lodge]

Yep dems rallied

Caught reps slacking and knocked em in their teeth

Weird ass republicans

Now kamala has me all jacked up

[marsh panther]

the funny thing is

[wide pawn]

Look at Kamala's approval ratings. The sudden change is the last few weeks alone

[marsh panther]

republicans are like "why are democrats just calling us weird? we're not weird!"

like have you seen some of the shit trumpers have been doing?

like i saw on the front of reddit they had "replica jars of jd vance's sperm"

like

WHAT?

YOU'RE NOT BEATING THE WEIRD ALLEGATIONS

[wide pawn]

JD Vance monitors his son's "adult content" on his phone. Like

[placid jacinth]

Those weird allegations came and they’re staying

[stoic lodge]

Well kamala is weird for laughing

How can she smile?

[wide pawn]

Kamala's laugh actually seems real. Trump never laughs

[stoic lodge]

Walz and Kamala so relatable and gasp human

[placid jacinth]

Trump is an npc

[stoic lodge]

Trump is a stooge

[wide pawn]

I remember them going after democrats for basically looking too much like real Americans

Like AOC working at a bar before congress

[marsh panther]

or that vid of AOC dancing from college

[wide pawn]

They're also posting pictures of Walz kids and Kamala's step-kids and they just look... normal

[marsh panther]

it's cause they have nothing

it's insane

[rancid minnow]

Yea I don’t even know

[wide pawn]

I stared at this for a few minutes before realizing he was trying to say something bad

[rancid minnow]

My brain rn is Dieing from attempting to understand conservatives on free speech. Bc like they say they will use what ever pronouns they want for a person because of their free speech. Though they ban books that have like free speech

[placid jacinth]

Seems like a very happy family

[rancid minnow]

Looks like a family?

[placid jacinth]

Idfk what his point was

[rancid minnow]

Yea idk

[wide knoll]

I mean yeah this is Tim Walz's family

[wide pawn]

Btw, this is Kamala's step daughter

She's got style

[placid jacinth]

She rlly do

[wide knoll]

Okay now question why was she invited to the Met Gala

[wide pawn]

Idk, she's got status and she's a model

[rancid minnow]

She does

Also the 2025 project is about that somewhat. Agenda 47 is just shortened for dumb people like me

And specifically talks about that one topic then like a shit ton of things

[wide knoll]

ahhh

[cold bane]

Chat did he actually post this because if he did then

Idk what to say

[wide knoll]

this is so obviously AI

[wide pawn]

Yeah like, taylor has been very anti-trump lmao

[cold bane]

No I mean the posts

Like did he actually post that shit

[wide knoll]

ahhh

[cold bane]

I don’t have truth social or whatever the name is so idk

[rancid minnow]

I mean almost all the swifties I know like irl are conservative

[wide knoll]

huh

[rancid minnow]

Odd Ik

[wide knoll]

trump posts so much shit on there idk

[rancid minnow]

It’s because of where I live

[wide knoll]

ah

[rancid minnow]

Yea we wouldn’t really know at this point

[rancid minnow]

Yea I know probably a handful of non conservatives from out here

[wide knoll]

okay yeah it is

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/112984762512136574

[rancid minnow]

Oh my goodness

[wide knoll]

@cold bane

[cold bane]

Oh

Isn’t that a cause for a lawsuit or something

[rancid minnow]

I still find this to be odd though because she is such a liberal artist

[wide knoll]

i mean remember what happened to the NSFW AI art of her

[wide pawn]

Such obvious AI lmfao

[wide knoll]

i mean

it's trump

what to even expect anymore

[rancid minnow]

Yup 😑

[stoic lodge]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/sunday-meltdown-trump-floods-truth-social-with-ai-images-of-swifties-and-communists

Freaking boomer posting and reposting

[wide pawn]

Taylor should endorse Kamala and get it over with

[wide knoll]

https://fixupx.com/PopBase/status/1825352918104445087?t=785c29HN_sd7YAprYnSXKw&s=19

[wide knoll]

also why is pop base reporting on this

[stoic lodge]

Trump is a chronic liar what a weird loser

[wide knoll]

then again, last time she endorsed a candidate she didn't have giant crowds with her every week

but i don't think the last few US shows being right before November is a coincidence either

[rancid minnow]

Yes

[rancid minnow]

I fucking know. It pisses me off so much

[cold bane]

Because it’s related to Taylor, who is an important part of pop culture

[stoic lodge]

Eh she doing a lot of outdoor shows plus football season

She wants to take holiday season off take off your tinfoil hat

[wide knoll]

the Indianapolis shows are 2 days before the election 😔

[wide knoll]

she literally then just goes to the canada shows until December

[stoic lodge]

You need to register to vote first so probably announce something late sept

[wide knoll]

she'll probably yell at people to register to vote she usually does that

[stoic lodge]

She gonna be on campaign trail between London and Miami

[placid jacinth]

There’s no way this is real..

[stoic lodge]

Ttpd about to hit 16 weeks because all the MAGA suddenly love taylor now

[cold bane]

It is 😭

[placid jacinth]

🤦‍♂️

[cold bane]

What

I know the images are AI. What I was asking (and it indeed was) was if trump actually posted it

I guess I just chose the wrong wording so sorry about it

[stoic lodge]

Yes he posted

[cold bane]

Yes I know now

[stoic lodge]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/sunday-meltdown-trump-floods-truth-social-with-ai-images-of-swifties-and-communists

[naive robin]

can taylor sue him for this?

[stoic lodge]

Trump is always going on about fake news and then posts that shit lmao

[wide pawn]

No but she can laugh at him

[stoic lodge]

And going on about if you use AI images in election you should be disqualified

[wide knoll]

no? really?

[naive robin]

tbh so true

[rancid minnow]

Fr

[flat coral]

trump is a piece of shit

[rancid minnow]

I’m actually done with politics until the election I swear to god

And it’s like my only obsession

[flat coral]

trump posting AI slop is probably scaring away moderates which is good

[rancid minnow]

Let’s hope

Also I hate how a lot of the rights are very right and lots of the lefts r very left. I feel like there is less moderate voters

[flat coral]

id give myself a few million dollars then endorse kamala harris on live tv

[rancid minnow]

Yes

[rancid minnow]

I’m sorry but I can’t look at his hair anymore. It just hurts

[stoic lodge]

Trump about to say he is much better looking that Taylor Swift

[weary coral]

Damn, you believe him

There is a video with Project 2025, where 29 out of 36 interviewed were part of the Trump Administration

[weary coral]

If he can run for president whilst being a convicted felon, I’m not sure how he can be disqualified

[rancid minnow]

Personally I’m done attempting to understand

[proper fossil]

There are a lot of moderate voters, but they're rarely in the picture because the debate has gotten so polarised that it's only the loud voices on the left and right you hear. Moderates are also often scared of voicing their opinions publicly because they'll get attacked if they don't pick a side.

[rancid minnow]

Yea

[stoic lodge]

True

[weary coral]

I see videos of Jubilee basically calling ‘liberals’ socialists - you can be very central and still liberal

Like they think that all liberals hate capitalism and love socialism

[royal badge]

Oh Tree Paine the queen that you are silence this tangerine

[weary coral]

[proper fossil]

lmao this one literally says "SATIRE"

Idk why but I feel like there's got to be a miss americana moment now where she sits in a sofa discussing his shit and how she really wants to voice her opinion against him

https://tenor.com/view/i-need-to-be-on-the-right-side-of-history-taylor-swift-miss-americana-history-making-history-gif-16242279

[wide pawn]

Trump: Harris's crowd sizes are AI!!!
Trump when shown an AI picture of swifties supporting him: ITS REAL

[rancid minnow]

Now that just reminds me of all the other times trump and conservatives contradict themselves

[vapid nova]

im sorry what

[stoic lodge]

Weird af

[rancid minnow]

I. I Oh goodness

[lucid ridge]

PLEASE

She needs to end him

[weary coral]

That’s nothing compared to British politics

Idk if I can even talk about it

[stoic lodge]

DNC Convention LFG

[wide pawn]

It's in my city

I'm just gonna avoid downtown

Chicago traffic is bad enough on a normal day

[stoic lodge]

I'm from Chicago

[wide pawn]

Oh nice

[stoic lodge]

I don't live there anymore though

[rancid minnow]

Ikr

I’m visiting Chicago for other reasons

[stoic lodge]

AOC WENT AFTER TRUMP WHOA BABY

KAMALA WORE A TAN SUIT REEEEEEEEEEEEE

[wide pawn]

Oh the dreaded tan suit

[static quiver]

As a european i'm so confused by american politics and kinda scared for the outcome since it will most likely influence our country too. (For example the things trump has said about the Nato)

I really hope the swifties won't fall for the fake news trump is spreading

[stoic lodge]

In my experience it seemed like Europeans followed US politics more closely than Americans lmao

[static quiver]

Yeah hahaha doesn't surpise me at all tbh. We are very dependent on america for our economy and safety. Our news even made an article about trump spreading fake news. Kinda sad that americans don't follow politics tho

Just the idea that you only have two parties (and 1 other candidate) is so weird to me. Our country is famous for the origami with the voting bc we have like 20 parties to chose from

[wide pawn]

The good news is that under Biden, a law was passed saying we need a 2/3rds majority to pull out of NATO (will never happen). The bad news is that Trump could just do nothing about NATO

[wide pawn]

It's because of the winner-take-all system. America could be so much better if our elections were proportional representation

The WTA system makes parties forced to make a left or right wing coalition, which is driving polarization

[static quiver]

Ahh didn't know that, that is indeed good news. But he once said that those who didnt pay the 2% shouldnt be protected scares me. (Not that i dont think we shouldn't pay the 2% bc i absolutely thing we should)

[wide pawn]

I mean, given how deep in Russian pockets Trump is it doesn't surprise me

[static quiver]

Yeah that's so weird like just count the votes instead of that weird system with winner takes all

[wide pawn]

Yeah... but the thing is states are also polarized and want to give 100% of a plurality to their own party. Technically states could reform to make it more proportional but there's no incentive to do so

Nobody in power would willingly pass laws to give it up

[static quiver]

Is the voting for the states at the same moment as for america as a whole?

[wide pawn]

No, America doesn't have country-wide elections technically

You vote for your state's electoral votes, which then gets counted as a whole country

That's why so many democrats win popular votes and lose elections

Since 1992, 30 years, Republicans have only won the popular vote once in a presidential election

But they held the office for 3 terms

[static quiver]

Ahhh

Whats the function of the mid-term btw?

[wide pawn]

It's a federal system, so every state is almost like a country that works together

[wide pawn]

That's for congress

And some states have their elections during midterms too

Like here in Illinois we elect the governor during the midterms

The house of reps is a 2 year term so every seat is in the ballot during presidential and midterm elections

The senate is a 6 year term, so they alternate between being during a presidential year and midterm year

[static quiver]

Idk if I'm understanding more now or if I'm even more confused xD

Whats the congress

[wide pawn]

American politics is confusing and the more you learn the more confusing it gets

[wide pawn]

It's kind of like a parliament except they don't decide the president

The senate is the upper chamber, the house of reps is the lower chamber

[static quiver]

And one is chosen at the time the president gets chosen and the other one during midterms?

[wide pawn]

Congress is decided during both elections

The president only every 4 years during presidential elections which coincide with elections for congress

So this year, Kamala is hoping to win the presidency, but Republicans are also hoping to win back the Senate

And vise versa

In 2020, democrats won a tri-fecta, meaning they won both chambers and the presidency

[static quiver]

But one can win the senate and not the presidency?

[wide pawn]

Yes most certainly

They coincide but they're not directly related

There are people in Wisconsin that will vote for Trump for president but also will vote for Tammy Baldwin, a Democrat, for the Senate seat

[static quiver]

Ahhhh

[wide pawn]

So that makes America have many more years with divided governments since the "parliament" doesn't have to be the same party as the president

[static quiver]

I gotta say that you explain really well for such a hard concept

[wide pawn]

Thank you 🥲 I had good teachers in school

[static quiver]

I would say it makes sense bc i would say that a tri-fecta is very powerfull

[wide pawn]

Not exactly, in 2020 democrats had a very narrow majority in both chambers

The senate was actually 50/50, but the vice president is a tie-breaker so with Kamala as VP they had a 51/50 seat majority

Even 1 Democrat defecting makes legislation a dead end (Simena being a huge example of someone challenging the party)

But also, many laws need a 60 vote majority to even pass in the senate

The thing is, having the control means you also control what bills make it to the floor

Like, the respect for marriage act made it so the federal government would recognize same-sex marriage even if the Supreme Court reverses their previous ruling

But it needed a 60 vote majority in the senate to pass, which it did. Enough Republicans in congress supported it

And it got a huge margin to pass in the House of reps

If a republican was in power, even if enough people supported it,it probably wouldn't have even gotten to a vote

Not every law needs 60 votes, most of the spending bills only need a simple 51 vote majority

But ya know

[static quiver]

It makes me a little more hopefull to know there is a safelock

[wide pawn]

The 60 vote majority isn't set in stone tho. There's talks to remove it to get more laws passed

That's a double edged sword imo

[static quiver]

Hmm yeah i wouldnt know what would be better tbh, bc you can't change much bc if the 60 rule but it is also good bc it makes it harder for weird and destructing laws to get passed

[wide pawn]

Yeah it only gets more complicated the more you dig into it

[static quiver]

Yeah hahahaha I notice

I thought our politics was confusing (it still is tho) but the american one is even more confusing but maybe also bc I wasn't born there

[wide pawn]

Most Americans really don't understand how government works

I can't blame them, nobody has time to learn all the nuances of it

[static quiver]

Tbh i think that's not only america. After a long day of work you wouldn't want to focus on learning how poltics work

[finite oak]

yeah cus it kills ppl

[stoic lodge]

Aw jeez here we go

[wide pawn]

Letting people die of preventable diseases indeed does kill people yes

[stoic lodge]

Barack and Michelle Obama speaking tonight LFG!!!

[wide pawn]

Kamala is currently at the same venue that held the Republican convention in Milwaukee and she filled the stadium while the DNC goes on

What a flex 😂

[rancid minnow]

My friend just sent this to me. I am mostly just speechless

[stoic lodge]

The argument MAGA makes like "you never see any biden flags anywhere" yeah no shit we're not weird like that

[wide pawn]

This doesn't help the weird argument

[rancid minnow]

Ikr

[flat coral]

the obamas are such good speakers man

[wide pawn]

Michelle's was easily the best speech

I was on the edge of my seat listening to her

[flat coral]

she was so good

[rancid minnow]

Same

[weary coral]

Damn, $9??

[stoic lodge]

No it's $8.99

[weary coral]

[scenic veldt]

Here’s my Harris Walz 2024 playlist if anyone’s interested 😭

[wide pawn]

RFK Jr apparently is set to drop out and endorse Trump

🙄

[minor topaz]

What do we georgia people have to do

[wide pawn]

Vote and tell all your friends about project 2025

Make sure they're registered, Georgia is trying to make it harder to register and vote

[minor topaz]

Okii

[stoic lodge]

Vote for kamala harris

[dreamy cradle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/TaylorSwift/comments/1ew82fx/donald_trump_falsely_claims_taylor_swift_has/?%24deep_link=true&correlation_id=c031349a-ca6a-4732-ab2b-f48b5d8b7f78&post_fullname=t3_1ew82fx&post_index=0&ref=email_digest&ref_campaign=email_digest&ref_source=email&utm_content=post_title&%243p=e_as&_branch_match_id=1348186037556549563&utm_medium=Email+Amazon+SES&_branch_referrer=H4sIAAAAAAAAA22Q3WrDMAxGnya7S9vZaZsNyhiMvYZQbLk18x%2B2Qtq3n9JuuxrYIJ%2BPIwlfmEt73W4rWet5g6Vsgk9fW13eOjXociLA9iRlrv7sEwaYazhdVqvT7536lLMsy%2BbHNzkKqHIZbyHXtnjH8hIeKXGT8pmWUbmrVDZLPwtc51jAYWgUbmAC%2BtjgocPdhwuuYqdl2F4NlqjAumSnP8SlTh1MrpUCss8JvBVudvpZDy%2FYGzxgPxy16nFSU%2B%2BGcdrbcTq64yheyY3BzSEkjLS20%2FC33iP0ydJVkp2ASk4qiugDWH%2Bmxg8IBmNBf07%2Fpy3P1dBvJnDmCCYnlg8Reh%2FDngN9A3emdnaMAQAA

[weary coral]

Isn’t that a good thing, voter share wise?
Sure, some voters will join him, but he’s been taking votes away from the Dems mostly

[stoic lodge]

The plan was for him to take votes from dems but more reps were going his way

[weary coral]

Ah interesting

[stoic lodge]

He's insane

He might boost up trump voters just a touch

[wide pawn]

Can't say I'm surprised

What I'm wondering is if it would put off some voters over lack of integrity

Probably not but wishful thinking

[flat owl]

Trump is obsessed with Taylor. It’s so bizarre

[marsh panther]

https://vxtwitter.com/atrupar/status/1826636139970621747

I have so so SO many questions

[weary coral]

What the actual

[rancid minnow]

I love this

😭🤣

[rancid minnow]

Kill me this shit is actually awful

[balmy locust]

oh hi

[wide pawn]

MAGA are making fun of Tim Walz's son for crying tears of joy for his father last night

Like... way to out yourselves as unemotional weirdos

[rancid minnow]

nope now we are banning happiness

fuck that shit

[placid jacinth]

POV: when you have no other way to attack your opponent so you just decide to become unemotionally weird and make fun of your opponents son for being happy

[placid jacinth]

I’m dead help😭😭

[noble flame]

Massive rumours circulating that Taylor is going to be a guest speaker before Kamala comes out tonight at the DNC. If it happens, preparations for a nuclear meltdown will need to be put in place.

[flat owl]

Nah it’s Beyoncé

[wide pawn]

Fingers crossed both

[noble flame]

Most likely Beyoncé. If Taylor came out and did a speech then said, one last thing, Reputation TV out September 13th. The world may break in two.

[wide pawn]

She would never but I'd live for it if she did

[flat owl]

You know the insider I always talk about? She’s really invested in Taylor endorsing Kamala and has really been looking into it. She hasn’t heard a thing yet

She has heard about Beyoncé endorsing Kamala soon though

[wide pawn]

Taylor might decide to be ambiguous this year while encouraging fans to vote knowing who they'd vote for

[noble flame]

That’s what I heard too. There’s a mini clown going on.

[flat owl]

I think she could do the bare minimum and do her regular “register to vote” post
It would be disappointing, but I get it especially after Vienna

[wide pawn]

Beyonce would be more impactful imo

Taylor knows her fan base and telling them to vote vs outright endorsing kamala isn't a big difference

[stoic lodge]

Normally I'd say no way but with that trump fake taylor shit then...maybe?

I feel like Beyonce would be better too

[lucid ridge]

https://x.com/meatandcookies/status/1826720208402481630

Frann 🥥 🌴 —YES ON FL PROP 4— (@meatandcookies) on X

@FourYearsBetter @FordJohnathan5 Landed in Nashville yesterday and hasn’t moved. BUT, there was a private LearJet that left Nashville for Chicago earlier today.

r/TaylorSwiftJets is a reliable and heavily-modded source for this info.

Twitter · Aug 22, 2024, 8:36 PM

👀

I'm pretty sure surprise guest is Beyoncé performing freedom live/endorsing Kamala but this is interesting

Manifesting a joint appearance/joint slay from Beyoncé and Taylor tonight

[flat owl]

It would never happen, but my god, would that break the internet

[weary coral]

How do you turn a political discussion into Rep TV 😭

I guess it would make her fans more aware in politics? But come on 😭

[wide pawn]

She ain't gonna announce rep at the DNC but I'd live for it if she does

[rancid minnow]

Heheh

[marsh panther]

The rumor is it being George Bush

[flat owl]

Yeah I could see that too

[wide pawn]

Oh-

Well, apparently there are some strong clues that Beyond is coming

Bush coming would be funny

I mean, he's like a saint compared to Trump

[wide knoll]

When's the surprise guest supposedly coming

[wide pawn]

Probably towards the end of the main performers

[wide pawn]

PINK 😍

At the DNC

[rancid minnow]

Fr

Omg slay

[flat coral]

did the surprise guest ever come out

[wide pawn]

No 🥲

[dreamy cradle]

So Trump is already done

[wintry remnant]

what did she mean by this

[marsh panther]

we may never know

also i'm still laughing my ass off over the meltdown trump had over kamala's speech last night

[stoic lodge]

Trump is a freaking loser

[wide pawn]

Shame on whoever gave that man Adderall last night

[flat coral]

his truth social shit was so funny

“IS SHE TALKING ABOUT ME?”

[noble flame]

There’s always a way!!! How many awkward segues are there on YouTube?

[cold bane]

Who ended up being the special guest

[wide pawn]

The clues are everywhere

[wide pawn]

Uhhh Steph Curry I think? He did a video endorsement tho

Other than that 🤷‍♂️

[cold bane]

Oh

[stoic lodge]

There's already enough clowns in politics we don't need more here

[void wyvern]

RFK JR HAS SUSPENDED HIS CAMPAIGN WE CHEERED

[flat coral]

Honestly pretty bad

He was taking votes from trump

[wide pawn]

He was taking more votes from Harris

Plus he's basically endorsing Russia and going full Vax = autism

I kinda don't think it'll help Trump too much

[flat coral]

Oh I thought he was taking more from trump

[stoic lodge]

I think this is factual

[flat owl]

He was taking votes from Trump. That’s why he’s ending his campaign

The goal was to take votes from Democrats

[wide pawn]

I think his decision to drop out with be roughly net neutral

He maybe gave some votes to Trump, but he did piss off some supporters who might just antivote for harris

[flat coral]

jfk would fucking hate rfk jr

disgrace to the kennedy legacy

[wide pawn]

His family denounced RFK for endorsing Trump

[flat coral]

so many leftists are angry about kamala’s speech cause of the israel stuff

i agree that palestine deserves to be freed but people need to understand that she needs to get the moderate vote as well

she has called for a ceasefire multiple times

[marsh panther]

the thing about this election is

this is not a single issue election

[flat coral]

exactly

and neither candidate will probably be great

[marsh panther]

i saw this analogy and i think it works well

[flat coral]

but if we don’t get kamala, trump is going to turn the gaza strip into a parking lot

[marsh panther]

when you take a bus sometimes you're not taking the bus for it to take you right to your front door

you're taking whatever bus will get you the closest to your destination

in this case

the analogy is basically

what choice will get us closer to the resolution you're looking for

is it trump? absolutely not it's like you said he'd make things even worse

is it kamala? signs point to yes if you're looking for a ceasefire and everything of that nature

[wide pawn]

The American people as a whole actually don't care much about Israel, sadly enough

That's not even top 5 on issues

But I think Kamala gave a decent speech all things considered

The US is in a complicated place with Israel politically

Like, the all-or-nothing mentality just gets you nothing in the end

[marsh panther]

yep

[flat owl]

Leftists don’t vote. There’s only like 5 of their candidates in Congress. 2 just lost their primary and now they’re mad at AOC for understanding politics and getting shit done
It seems to me like they just want to endlessly critique power and not actually do anything

[wide pawn]

People really do overestimate the power of progressives in this country

I found myself becoming less progressive and more establishment as the years went on, too much at stake

[rancid minnow]

I find it funny that the lefts and the rights are all actually really close on the political compus

[stoic lodge]

https://x.com/MeidasTouch/status/1826674904806424962

MeidasTouch (@MeidasTouch) on X

JD Vance had a very awkward visit to a donut shop in Georgia earlier. Trust us, it’s worse than you even think.

Twitter · Aug 22, 2024, 5:36 PM

https://tenor.com/view/dies-of-cringe-cringe-gif-20747133

[flat coral]

was super busy but i love this analogy

both results will have a huge impact on the future of america

it’s kinda crazy how important this election is

[marsh panther]

stakes have never been higher

[flat coral]

im so annoyed that im 1 month short of being able to vote

im in PA too so like it actually matters

[marsh panther]

it sucks

i remember 2016 i still had two years till i was 18 and could vote

so watching the results was just 🫠

[flat coral]

i was like 9 for 2016 and even i was pissed that trump won

[marsh panther]

all you can do is just hope for the best and be excited for when you can finally vote in your local elections etc

[weary coral]

Once again, respecting the person’s choice to not be on camera

“I’m JD Vance”
“Okay.”

[rancid minnow]

Yea same 🤣

[marsh panther]

https://vxtwitter.com/chais_g/status/1827161882391933404

i'm dying 😭

[wide pawn]

Lmfao

[vague canopy]

help😭😭

[stoic lodge]

Trump left with shitty kid rock tracks and public domain songs lmao what a loser

Trump sucks!

https://x.com/Acyn/status/1827146260849045914

Acyn (@Acyn) on X

Yikes, looks like the President of the Arizona Police Association is using up more time than Trump wanted to give him

Twitter · Aug 24, 2024, 12:49 AM

[wintry remnant]

Not sure if this is real but if it is, this is hilarious

[wide pawn]

How many friends do you have that will be 18 by then? The best you can do is make sure they're registered and have a plan to vote

They can even vote early if election day is too busy for them

[vapid nova]

cause its a kamalanomenon

[stoic lodge]

Trump is a weird whiny baby

[rancid minnow]

Pffftttt

[low zephyr]

THERE'S A SWIFTIES FOR KAMALA KICKOFF CALL TONIGHT @ 7:00 PM EST AND CAROLE KING IS ONE OF THE SPEAKERS!!!! POSSIBLE TAYLOR SWIFT APPEARANCE?

https://actionnetwork.org/events/swifties-for-kamala-kickoff-call

[wide pawn]

I saw this way too late

[somber thunder]

Does anyone have an update on how it went?

[weary coral]

apparently they raised $122k

and it peaked at 22k listeners

[rancid minnow]

Same

[rancid minnow]

Oh slay

[stoic lodge]

We gotta see trump tape from Arlington national cemetery

[stoic lodge]

Ok who is gonna buy a trump NFT

$99

[stoic lodge]

Is that Trumper still here?

[weary coral]

Who do you think

[rancid minnow]

Insane cult followers of trump?

[weary coral]

Correct

[stoic lodge]

"States keep denying RFK Jr.'s requests to be removed from their ballots, which was key to his plan to help Trump win"

Lmao

[wide pawn]

Buy 15 and get a piece of his suit from the debate in a trading card 🤣

Apparently if you buy 75 you get invited to a private gala with him

💀

[wide pawn]

He's being removed in PA, which is gonna be super close and super important

Also, apparently, his wife is really made at him for endorsing trump

[wide pawn]

Aged like fine wine

[stoic lodge]

Trump campaign adviser Chris LaCivita has decided to take the team on a death spiral against America’s military, calling the office of the Army secretary a bunch of “hacks.”

The JD Vance says Wednesday that trump was supporting fallen soldiers and not like filming a TV commercial.

Then trump tweets a campaign commercial with footage from Arlington

[flat coral]

pretty sure it’s literally illegal to use the cemetery as a campaign commercial

[vapid nova]

oh, it very much is this is a big scandal

[stoic lodge]

It is.

It's also a huge deal for the army to make a statement like that.

And the cemetery worker didn't want to press charges because she didn't want trump cult to go after her

[minor topaz]

Can someone get kamala out of my city 😭 I wanna get home 😭

[marsh panther]

dude the clips of trump from this town hall event he had yesterday

bro is actually incoherent it's insane

https://vxtwitter.com/Acyn/status/1829317258302423293

like WHAT IS BRO YAPPING ABOUT

[rancid minnow]

Wait so less then 7500 dollars?

Or do the nfts like go up in value

[marsh panther]

so it actually gets even funnier

it's not an invite it's a chance at an invite

i saw a thing about a crypto dude on twitter spent $25k buying them all thinking it was a for sure one on one dinner

but it's only a chance

[stoic lodge]

Trump is a con artist grifter

[wide pawn]

I looked at the website and even I thought it was a guarantee

💀

[stoic lodge]

Like trump would want to dine with any of his voters lmao

[stoic lodge]

"Trump complains he spent '$100 million' to beat Biden before he dropped out"

Lol owned freaking loser

[stoic lodge]

"Some people don't eat bacon anymore. This was caused by their horrible energy. Wind. They want wind all over the place. When it doesn't blow, we have a problem." -Donald Trump

[gusty verge]

I’m from England, but have strong opinions on trump. He’s a horrible, selfish, homophobia supporting, sexist ball of toxic masculinity. he has no idea how to be president, Kamala knows how to talk to people and when she’s seen in public she stops and talks, no. matter. what. that’s what I want representing you guys. #Kamalaforpresident

[vale grove]

Yes #KamalaForPresident

[nimble light]

EVERYONE TAKE THE COCONUT PILL

[wide pawn]

[stoic lodge]

"Donald Trump says JD Vance can’t be “weird” because he’s “so straight” — Trump's defense against the "weird" charges is to insist that his running mate is straight."

Whhhhyyyyyy are they so weird

[weary coral]

where is this quoted from?

so weird

[stoic lodge]

https://x.com/acyn/status/1829320445792842185

Acyn (@Acyn) on X

Trump: I'm not weird. He's weird. He's a weird guy. He is a weird dude. They say JD and I are weird. That guy is sooo straight, JD.

Twitter · Aug 30, 2024, 12:49 AM

[weary coral]

fucking weird

[stoic lodge]

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2024/08/donald-trump-says-jd-vance-cant-be-weird-because-hes-so-straight/

[vapid nova]

I had to leave that server because everyone actually sucked which I’m sad about because I want that coconut emoji

[wide pawn]

It makes for some interesting conversations, not for everyone 🥲

I mean, it's not surprising that political servers get heated

[vapid nova]

oh no they were just dumb

[wide pawn]

I'm getting that vibe from a few people for sure

I only joined it like a week ago

If I get sick of it I'll just mute and keep for the emojis

[weary coral]

How so? Toxic?

Idk as I’m not in any

[flat coral]

I mean it’s politics

[vapid nova]

not toxic borderline idiots people were saying to bulldoze the entire southern United States

[stoic lodge]

Not totally against that idea tbh

[vapid nova]

this is the dumbest thing ive ever heard EVER. the way the south votes is because of a history of classcism and racism and slavery like the republican party tailors their message to the working class SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE northerners still enforce the idea of the dumb southerner AND THEY EAT IT UP because they feel seen. if you want to throw the whole south away because you feel like you’re better than them you’re not you just hide your racism behind systems instead of words.

[vapid nova]

https://fordhamobserver.com/62900/opinions/hating-country-music-does-not-make-you-a-better-liberal/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/24/racism-us-north-south-confederate-flag

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/how-myth-liberal-north-erases-long-history-white-violence-180975661/

[sonic wedge]

for me, when i think of the usa i always think of southern culture

not sure if it's the same for other europeans, but where i am, whenever we reference the USA, it's usually the south we think about

[weary coral]

Hang on
So if you’re not racist, you hide it ‘behind systems’?

So you are saying everyone is racist? Or am I getting that wrong

[wide pawn]

I mean you're not wrong here

The south also has a history of depressing black votes

I saw a video just the other day interviewing voters in black and white neighborhoods

White neighborhoods got to vote instantly, no lines, easy machines

Black neighborhoods had people waiting for hours, few polling precincts open, older machines

[vapid nova]

Im saying the North hides it racism behind systemic practices and the south has its racism overtly but both are equally racist. The United States is subject to systematic racism no matter what region you’re in. So it’s silly to claim superiority when its the same

[vapid nova]

that is called the system

[wide pawn]

Right

[vapid nova]

And also a problem in other parts of the country

[wide pawn]

I can say the south is worse about it but it of course exists everywhere

[weary coral]

But there are parts of the country which are much less racist than others, you agree on that right?

[vapid nova]

I don’t its about optics doesn’t equate a silent reality

Racism exist in microagressions

Modern voter suppression exist more in the north

I would also love to point out the population makeup of the south

“Regionally, the South is home to the highest concentration of the multiracial Black population in the U.S., with a plurality (41%) of the total as of 2022. Roughly one-fifth each live in the Midwest (22%), the West (19%) and the Northeast (18%).”

I think an overlooked statistic is the racial make up of areas

[wide pawn]

Yes, and there more is suppressed much more than any place in the north

The north has a different type of problem

Problems all around nonetheless

[unique terrace]

Hey San.You're not going to win this one buddy.

[stoic lodge]

Who is San

[unique terrace]

Redlining, gerrymandering, voter suppression, and general racism are things that exist all over the country. Both parties have done it and still do it.

Just because southern conservatives are now saying the quiet part out loud does not mean that everyone else doesn't do it also.

[vapid nova]

I also think people forget Texas is the Southwest and culturally very different from the Southeast its hard to grasp since everyone thinks the south is a monolith but you wouldn't put miami and montgomery as practically the same would you?

[wide pawn]

It's very much different

[vapid nova]

I sent the wrong map that was my bad 😭

[unique terrace]

The south also varies so widely even within the states. As someone who lives in northern virginia, and went to school in the shenandoah valley, I can tell you that those places are not even in the same neighborhood in terms of culture.

[vapid nova]

and as someone who lives in Tennessee and went to school in East Tennessee I can say it was so wildly different that someone from my hs who also went to college with me said this at an event freshman year "Sophie... have you noticed how white it is here"

[unique terrace]

Right. "The South" as a monolith no longer makes sense the way things are and have been the last maybe 80 years.

[vapid nova]

And Saying voter supression is worse in the South is simply false

[unique terrace]

Which is why it's important to check your voter registration now no matter who you are or where you live because you may have been purged from the roll!

[stoic lodge]

Who is San

[unique terrace]

You can read usernames right??

[stoic lodge]

@vapid nova @wide pawn

Who is San

[stoic lodge]

Obviously

I see San now

Thank you

[vapid nova]

I would also say I'm from a place very similar to the city you're from actually less white now looking at stats

[weary coral]

I never said they don’t

I was just clarifying that, in every country in the world, there are areas which are less racist than others

[unique terrace]

Sure, but you also said bulldozing the south is an idea that you're "not opposed to" and that honestly says more about your biases than I think you'd like it to. You can't just make comments like that.

[weary coral]

no I didn’t

[unique terrace]

oh lol. nvm. That was bb

[weary coral]

Tf did I do

[unique terrace]

Apologies. You jumped into the conversation after bb and I blended you in my head.

[weary coral]

[unique terrace]

It's also just not a question of "less racist". I don't think degrees of racism is a helpful conversation to have. I honestly don't think that exists in the US because of the fact that we are built on the foundations of racist practices.

But I don't think here is the place to have that conversation.

[weary coral]

You know more than me because you live there

[unique terrace]

Let's get back to election only in here.

[weary coral]

[wide pawn]

So yeah, the more I learn about Trump going to Arlington Cemetary, the more my blood boils

The absolute disrespect for fallen soldiers

Like, how any veteran can vote for him is mind boggling

[placid jacinth]

It’s honestly impossible to believe like it makes me think they being paid or smth

[wide pawn]

The reason the employee didn't press charges is because her entire career and life was in jeopardy

And they promised they wouldn't put anything in campaigns when they went

Then the same day he puts it in a campaign ad

Ahhhh I legit had to turn off the story because I was about to break my phone

[flat coral]

It’s so crazy how so many people see him as a military-loving patriot

He has no respect for anyone that isn’t him or one of his rich friends

[wide pawn]

It should have been obvious after the stuff he said about McCain

[flat coral]

True

That was gross

[wide pawn]

Which funny enough is a huge reason he lost Arizona

[stoic lodge]

Harris spending campaign money on other democrat candidates LFG!!!

[stoic lodge]

Trump claimed there was no incident at Arlington. He also said this: "“I wasn’t doing it for publicity. I get a lot of publicity,” the former president said. “I would like to get a lot less publicity. I’m the only guy that would hire a public relations agency to get less publicity.”"

[weary coral]

Starts with saying something, then changes the topic

[stoic lodge]

This freaking guy

[stoic lodge]

And just when the Arlington story was starting to die down trump brings it right back to the front

The US Military said it happened and have it on record

[wide pawn]

There's apparently some people in the miliary, not most but some, that are saying this is their final straw and aren't voting for him

Not saying they're voting for Harris, just not voting

[unique terrace]

a lot of people aren't voting in this election, which is a mistake, but understandable.

[nimble furnace]

i wonder if taylor will say anything before the game tomorrow

trump’s tweet had awfully “coincidental” timing

[unique terrace]

probs not. she's not working rn. she's on vacation.

she's in girlfriend mode

[nimble furnace]

true true

but people will not be happy if she’s seen with that person who endorsed trump

it’s all got quite messy after trump’s tweet

idk if it was a tweet actually

he might’ve just said it

[unique terrace]

She hasn't been close with Brittany for like a year. They had a falling out before the end of the last football season.

[nimble furnace]

ohh i didn’t know about that actually

[marsh panther]

did they actually

how did i miss this

[flat owl]

Brittany was at her house a couple of days ago

[marsh panther]

oh shit true that party

[flat owl]

Yeah idk where that came from

[flat owl]

It will be a very bad look

There’s a game coming soon so we’ll see

[marsh panther]

tomorrow night

[nimble furnace]

i think the game is tmr

but trump is trying to make it so that if taylor doesn’t say anything before the game and she goes to the game that she’s supporting him

which is obv completely wrong but its weird

[marsh panther]

cause trump needs any support he can get even though anyone with a brain knows taylor doesn't support his ass lmao

[nimble furnace]

i’m more invested in american politics and i’m from england

[marsh panther]

lmao hell yeah

[nimble furnace]

but american politics rlly affects the whole world

[marsh panther]

our election season is basically a whole ass drama show

first debate is tuesday

[unique terrace]

lol watch taylor show up in a harris walz t-shirt

actually, it'll be more subtle

it'll be a brat green outfit

or white

[nimble furnace]

who knows what’s gonna happen!!

[marsh panther]

we got fun times ahead

nfl opener tomorrow
debate tuesday
and the vmas next wednesday

[nimble furnace]

goodness gracious it’s gonna be quite the week!!

[marsh panther]

fun times ahead

[unique terrace]

new charli xcx drop tomorrow morning too

might be the sympathy remix

[stoic lodge]

What did trump tweet

[marsh panther]

basically just thanking brittany mahomes for supporting him

on truth social

[unique terrace]

I don't get how a woman married to a black man who has mixed kids can support a party that hates DEI

[flat owl]

She owns a women’s soccer team too

[unique terrace]

It's one thing to be raised conservative and have certain religious beliefs, but not understanding that who you vote into office affects the lives of people you love.

[flat owl]

Only influence I would like Britt to rub off on Taylor is investing in women’s sports
I would love Taylor to do that
That’s it thougih

[unique terrace]

Good for her for supporting women's sports. But like, not supporting your spouse and kid's rights to be treated as equal people under the law?

[flat owl]

No I meant it’s ironic to be MAGA and do that as well

[unique terrace]

The cognitive dissonance that exists in MAGA culture confuses me so much.

[flat owl]

But Britt is known to be one of the dumbest WAGs in NFL

That’s why people were so mad when Taylor associated with her the first time
She’s done a lot of stupid stuff

[unique terrace]

We don't talk about people like that. We can criticize choices, but not people.

People are human and make mistakes.

[flat owl]

There’s a difference. She’s loud and very wrong the majority of the time

[unique terrace]

We don't call people stupid though. We can call their decisions uninformed.

[flat owl]

I struggle so much communicating with you 😭
I’m really trying but I keep hitting a wall

[unique terrace]

Frankly, now reading about her background, I can understand why she may believe certain things.

You struggle not to insult people instead of their actions?

[flat owl]

I give up. I keep trying to be civil. I don’t know what else I can do. 😭

[unique terrace]

Like I can say Trump does stupid shit, but I'm not going to call him an idiot or an asshole. He may very well be those things, but it's not productive in this conversation.

Frankly, I'm much more explicit with my views in real life and private conversations, but the whole point of having the server rules is to keep things civil.

Insulting people instead of actions is only going to make someone mad if they believe in/ like who you're talking about.

If you were to DM me about this I can absolutely go IN on Brittany. But I'm not going to do that here. It's not respectful.

not mindful

not demure

[weary coral]

Still dunno what demure means

[unique terrace]

Demure means tasteful. Like, if you're dressed demurely, it's appropriate and not too showy and modest.

[stoic lodge]

Q: What specific legislation will you commit to to make child care affordable?

Trump: Well, I would do that and we’re sitting down, you know, I was, somebody, we had Marco Rubio and my daughter, Ivanka… But I think when you talk about the kind of numbers that I’m talking about that because the child care is, child care couldn’t, you know, there’s something you have to have it in this country, you have to have it... I want to stay with child care… So we’ll take care of it. Thank you

And JD Vance solution to address child care is to have grandparents and family members do it

[vale grove]

That would be iconic

[wise tinsel]

I wonder how biden is doing now that kamala is running

[unique terrace]

He's probably enjoying retirement.

The presidency ages you so much.

[stoic lodge]

Probably better with reduced schedule

[wise tinsel]

I’m glad honestly. He should probs be relaxing at his age now

[unique terrace]

Joe Biden is the reason for my favorite pop punk band

He needs that rest

[wide knoll]

still presidenting but not campaigning

[stoic lodge]

Still can't believe trump almost got assassinated by one of his own followers on live tv

[unique terrace]

I can. But it's still insane.

We live in hellworld

[stoic lodge]

It is insane

You can tell trump is justifiably scared of public speaking now

[unique terrace]

I think the man deserves to be in prison, but he doesn't deserve to die.

[stoic lodge]

Doing more tv interviews

[unique terrace]

Yeah.

He even got on Theo Von

RIGHT AFTER Bernie

[stoic lodge]

Just incompetence in staff at all levels

[stoic lodge]

Feel the Bern

[unique terrace]

I'm so frustrated that he didn't win the nom

not like this year

but when he ran

he just wanted people to have healthcare and for the ultra rich to pay their fair share of taxes.

[stoic lodge]

Yeah I don't think trump wins against bernie

Has Trump had a win in the past month?

[flat coral]

ever since biden dropped out him and vance have just been babbling incoherently

[unique terrace]

I don't understand vance as his choice

[stoic lodge]

$$$

Looking forward to the debate next week

[flat coral]

he’s genuinely an idiot

wrong reply oops

but still

vance is dumb

he’s so out of touch

[keen crane]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2024/09/06/jd-vance-accused-of-downplaying-school-shootings-as-fact-of-life-heres-what-he-really-said/ american politics be just a joke these days man

[weary coral]

But then when asked for a solution they say ‘more’

[unique terrace]

yes more guns will totally solve this problem.

[weary coral]

There’s not much context that was added!

[keen crane]

from what i got

[weary coral]

They don’t address the problem but they make sure to evade the political aspect

Vance is such a stupid appointment anyways, he’s taking the limelight away from Trump

And logistically it makes no sense, he’s not attracting a new supporter base

[keen crane]

he was talking about the horrible event that happened at the high school recently (im purposefully NOT saying the word). So JD Vance was talking about it im pretty sure. and he said the following "I hate that its a fact of life" (talking about the incident) there is more after it but thats why he's currently under criticism. and the summary of what he said after is basically calling for more security. which is good but it doesnt address the underlying issue of gun policies

[weary coral]

But he’s not calling for what is known as ‘security’

[unique terrace]

right. it's not a fact of life that children get shot in our country all the time. it's a growing problem.

[weary coral]

They give these key words which make them seem good, but when given the chance, they do nothing about ‘security’

[unique terrace]

it didn't used to be this way

[keen crane]

The Associated Press later corrected its initial headline—which read “JD Vance says school shootings are a ‘fact of life,’ calls for better security,”—to read “JD Vance says he laments that school shootings are a ‘fact of life,’” writing on X that the post was updated “to add context to the partial quote from Vance.”

but also Vance argued that stricter gun laws won’t stop school shootings, and that they happen in states with varying degrees of gun restrictions.

[keen crane]

how many times can people say "never again" before it actually never happens again.

In contrast to JD vance. Kamala harris has spoken toward new gun policies. And said “school shootings are not just a fact of life . . . it doesn’t have to be this way.”

[weary coral]

I’m less in touch with American politics - what counts as more ‘background checks’? What are the logistics?

[keen crane]

i do agree. Both parties not just republicans. use key words to make themselves sound better but usually never follow up

[keen crane]

uhhh i just looked it up and i got "Under federal law, background checks are only required for gun sales conducted by licensed dealers. Federal law does not address gun sales by unlicensed sellers (e.g., non-dealers who sell guns online or at gun shows). This loophole makes it easy for people with felony convictions, domestic abuse restraining orders, and/or prohibiting histories of mental illness to buy guns with no questions asked. While federal regulations expanded in 2024 to require more background checks nationwide,2 the loophole in the law remains. The loophole should be closed by requiring background checks on all gun sales—not just on the sale of firearms from licensed gun dealers."

BUT the second amendment does give the right to bear arms which is the main arguement of pro-gun people

only about 20 states have adopted this policy however

wait that doesnt answer the question

[weary coral]

The second amendment gives the right to bear arms, but doesn’t it also say somewhere else that ‘you can use them for self defence if someone is on your land’

[unique terrace]

Let's think of why the second amendment exists in the first place

[keen crane]

while i look for your original question ill answer this

[unique terrace]

The founding fathers wanted to be able to take up arms against the government if they were overstepping

It would be stupid to do that now because technology and our military would literally destroy normal people.

The whole basis of second amendment rights is protecting your rights from the government

But I get having weapons as defense for your home

[keen crane]

The second amendement argument has 2 major flaws/notes

1: it was written in 1776 when they had rifles/muskets that took a minute to reload. nothing compared to the semi-automatic guns regularly available today.

2: the founding fathers made the terms very vauge. so the interpertation of the amendment is really up to the judge who decides on the policies. Which unfortanetly can be extremely biased. wether intentional or not.

I actually wrote a whole paper on gun control laws and one argument was the outdated policies

[keen crane]

half answer to the question
Current federal law requires background checks to be performed for anyone purchasing a firearm at a federally licensed gun dealer–however only 40% of guns sold in the US are sold through a federally licensed dealer.

In most states, sales at gun shows, flea markets, and private gun sales are not subject to regulations.

[unique terrace]

Right. It's so wild to me

[keen crane]

You’ll have to complete Form 4473, which includes 16 questions relating to your background, drug use, and criminal history. The gun store will then contact NICS online or by phone and supply your answers, and your Social Security number.

fbi looks for: Those include criminal and mental health history, dishonorable military discharges, unlawful immigration status, an open warrant, a documented history of domestic violence, and drug use.

Federal law establishes the grounds for gun bans, so generally speaking, a history that gets a person barred in one state will also bar him across the country. But states can also decide that other crimes should also initiate a ban

States also have the option of running their own gun background checks, supplementing the FBI’s databases by sweeping state and local records repositories as well.

[keen crane]

in my research i found that the NRA is a major part in why there is no modern gun control policies. They started out lobbying regan and their power really expanded there

They have a huge hand in politics. and fund a GIANT number of congress members. which in turn gives them the power to make the congress people they fund to vote on policies they want

[unique terrace]

Believe me I know. NRA headquarters is only a 15 minute drive from my apartment.

[keen crane]

oh thats gross

[unique terrace]

yep

[keen crane]

i would move

[unique terrace]

It's only because it's close to DC.

[keen crane]

ohh

and i just looked up and found. In 2024 they NRA has spent 980k in 2024 alone lobbying

wait let me add some things

since 1998, the NRA has spent about 64.57 MILLION on lobbying

[unique terrace]

That's only documented spending

[keen crane]

thats even worse

[unique terrace]

It's definitely more than that

[keen crane]

you're probably right. which is really depressing

and lobbying wont become illegal, because it'll just be lobbied against

so if you have enough money you make the rules

#nothavingfun

[unique terrace]

We just need campaign finance transparency.

And caps

[keen crane]

even if we did have laws people wont follow them (judge clarence thomas and his undocumented paid vacations)

[unique terrace]

and that is why it's important to require public officials to have public finances

[keen crane]

The Ethics in Government Act of 1978 (EIGA) sets the financial disclosure requirements for members and employees of the government. Title I of the act requires that certain government officials file personal financial disclosure reports on an annual basis.1 The reports of high-ranking officials are generally available to the public. Other government officials must file confidential financial disclosure reports and some lower level employees are not required to file any personal financial disclosure reports.

The Ethics in Government Act of 1978 put into law a monumental safeguard against government misconduct. EIGA’s primary purpose is to enable citizens to hold government officials accountable for their outside financial interests. The act was passed in the wake of the Watergate scandals.

EIGA requires certain members and employees of government to list the sources and amounts of all earned and unearned income, assets, liabilities, asset transactions, gifts they received as well as any and all nongovernmental positions currently held. There are also regulations in place that require these civil servants to disclose certain financial details regarding their spouses and dependent children. Non-compliance with EIGA may result in prosecution by the Attorney General of the United States.

i mean it is public that the congresspeople get funding. its just that people either dont look, know that, or care

but i do agree that if you are that high in power. your financials should be public

Because what do you mean your going to vote no on a gun reform bill because your getting paid to do it. and you're still going to get elected

[flat coral]

I wish I had an idea of what to do with guns

It’s so complicated

I hate them but I feel like people have a right to go hunting and all

I want a solution but I don’t have any ideas

[nimble furnace]

as someone who loves animals i hate hunting but the way that the uk does it is that to buy a gun you must be assessed by the police and have a genuine reason for one. that could be hunting i think or if you were a farmer or whatnot

i saw that in america they sometimes sell guns in supermarkets which is just not ok at all

[stoic lodge]

There's definitely not a need for some of these high power high capacity rifles

[flat coral]

for sure

the only problem is if they get banned people are still gonna find ways to get them

believe me i want them gone just as much as the next guy i just don’t know a practical way to do that

[unique terrace]

The issue isn't really the illegal weapons at this point. Most of these weapons used to commit these horrible crimes are legal weapons registered to the perpetrator or a relative. Legally bought. Legally owned. Just improperly stored for access to someone who should not have them.

[nimble furnace]

but surely them being so easy to get is a bad thing

[unique terrace]

Yes. That's the point I'm making.

The lack of regulation is the problem, not the illegal weapons.

My friend had a handgun that he kept in his car. There have been a bunch of carjackings in the area and he kept it there to keep it safe. His car got broken into, his gun got stolen. It was used in a robbery and the FBI had to get it back to him after the fact.

He had a legal weapon.

He just stored it in a not very secure place like an idiot

There should be laws about storage. There should be more regulation around access.

[nimble furnace]

i also feel like it’s way too normalised to have a gun in the usa, like i know no one that owns one in the uk

[unique terrace]

It's weird for people to be so posessive over that right, yeah.

It's illegal in a lot of apartments to have them though so it's mostly people who have property who own them in my area.

[nimble furnace]

i saw a video where a new gun shop opened a 7 second drive from a middle school and an elementary school, which just seems so terrible to me

[unique terrace]

Yeah. I've got a brand new one down the street from me. It's definitely not my favorite feeling.

But it doesn't look like they get very much business so I hope they shut down soon.

[nimble furnace]

but honestly i really hope the laws around guns change in america, because as much as people want their “rights” to be respected, people have the right to feel safe, especially at school

[flat coral]

https://x.com/kamalahq/status/1832496854849773724?s=46

Kamala HQ (@KamalaHQ) on X

Trump echoes Project 2025: I'm dying to get back in office to do this. We will eliminate the Department of Education

Twitter · Sep 7, 2024, 7:11 PM

he’s not even hiding it anymore

whether he actually supports project 2025 or not, this is fucking scary

[vapid nova]

not controversial to me but

[vapid nova]

I get that but I do understand needing one in your house for your protection just too many things can go wrong in home intruder situations since they have guns typically here

I think storage and proper vetting should be addressed, and the range of guns not so expansive

[nimble furnace]

here it’s illegal to own any weapon under the reasoning of self defence

like ur not allowed pepper spray or anything

[vapid nova]

THAT is insane

if a man tried to attack me in a parking lot and I’m 4’11 that kind of stuff is life saving

[nimble furnace]

i wouldn’t say it’s insane

idk

[vapid nova]

Think about serial killers, robbers who can physically overpower you

[nimble furnace]

i would not feel safe knowing someone had a gun even if it was for self defence

[vapid nova]

i meant pepper spray

not guns help 😭😭

[nimble furnace]

oh yeah

but still

[vapid nova]

like the banning of any self defense items is crazy

[nimble furnace]

it’s classed as like a weapon

[vapid nova]

i mean ffs the UK had an acid attack problem at one point idk

[nimble furnace]

imagine if the robber used the pepper spray to harm u or whatever

there were loads of riots here recently, imagine if the people in those riots had pepper spray

[unique terrace]

you can’t ban self defense weapons if you don’t also prosecute violence against women and targeted minorities effectively.

[flat coral]

I think it’s definitely good to have them for self defense for sure

[weary coral]

But in the UK the right are saying it’s ’ridiculous’ for people who burnt down buildings (the riots) to be put in prison

[weary coral]

But then how do you classify self defence?

In theory it’s okay, but there are so many instances where people use guns and claim it’s for ‘self-defence’

[unique terrace]

I really don’t care what the right has to say about any of the hate crimes those people committed.

[weary coral]

Nor do I

[unique terrace]

🤝

[clear lantern]

I finally managed to find the channel, want to talk about it here?

[nimble furnace]

no

[untold pivot]

Wait who‘s the guy in the last picture she is posting with?

[clear lantern]

Harrison Butker. The guy that spoke at the college about how women need to stay home and not be successful financially

[clear lantern]

Oh okay so it was never an issue about which channel it was in

[nimble furnace]

it was!! but i don’t wanna talk to you anymore bc this conversation wouldn’t be productive

[clear lantern]

Here's the whole speech, it's a bit long at 20 minutes though.

https://youtu.be/-JS7RIKSaCc?si=8mDs0mAqY0ubpqHy

[nimble furnace]

we will never agree and that’s okay because people can have different opinions

[nimble furnace]

he’s such a rat, i was so shocked when i first saw parts of that speech

[clear lantern]

Yeah, he's a trash person. Sucks that Taylor hangs with him too :/ everything else we talked about aside- this ones pretty agregious

[untold pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/darjeeiingg-roblox-girl-turning-head-gif-26653355

Oh!

Was thta before or after the speech

[stoic lodge]

https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1832605847580471632?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1832605847580471632|twgr^8fb92f6233e539a2e201bc4ae6a0d01c152f9c51|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-16153127211723361534.ampproject.net%2F2406131415000%2Fframe.html

Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) on X

Montage of clips from Kim Guilfoyle’s embarrassing and humiliating speech tonight where she eventually had to beg FL Republicans to clap for her.

Twitter · Sep 8, 2024, 2:24 AM

[clear lantern]

I'm going to be honest, I'm not sure at all. I do however know that Travis said- "I don’t think that I should judge him by his views, especially his religious views, of how to go about life, that’s just not who I am." Travis DID say he didn't agree with most of it but he followed it up with the quote referenced. That makes it sound like "I can't judge the man for believing women shouldn't exist in the public eye or without a man, that just isn't me"

[clear lantern]

My last comment was meant to be at you my bad

[royal badge]

http://kamalaharris.com/issues

[flat coral]

finally

now I don’t have to hear shit from trump supporters about her not having a policy page 😭

[unique terrace]

That's his PR training kicking in. He's been in the NFL for over a decade. After his weed suspension in college, he really really takes PR stuff seriously.

[stoic lodge]

Tomorrow

[unique terrace]

Yeah, we'll see what happens.

My friend is having a birthday/watch party for the debate

[stoic lodge]

What are you eating

[unique terrace]

probably pizza or snacks idk

[weary coral]

Birthday present is the debate?

[unique terrace]

lol. no. I just live near dc so people have debate parties during election season anyway. It just so happens that her birthday is also near the debate so why not both?

[stoic lodge]

Ok

[wide pawn]

I'm nervous for the debate tomorrow

[stoic lodge]

Trump gonna blow it

[clear lantern]

Thoughts? Comments?

[placid jacinth]

I mean tbh… you aren’t just gonna get rid of a friend bc of their political views and standpoints. You can disagree and still be friends, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that.

[clear lantern]

What about the human rights part? Because I totally agree with you, I think that there's a limit though.

[marsh panther]

my personal take is people are just overreacting over an interaction at the us open like it's kelce's friend's wife like what is she meant to do? just be like "oh nah that girl is a trumper dni pookie"

like online people can say all this stuff this and that but professionally in the real world that is not how things work 😭

like for me i know taylor isn't a trumper

i know she'll probably post in support for kamala in the next month or so

like i really don't think her hanging out with her partner's best friend's wife is really really as deep as people are making it

[placid jacinth]

I completely stand with everything you said

[placid jacinth]

As Mikeey said. Just bc she’s a trump supporter doesn’t mean she has to go dni on the girl. It’s genuinely not how things work and certainly not how friendship works either. My friend who’s now in college he’s a trump supporter and we have completely opposite views, does it mean we go dni on each other? Absolutely not. Same goes here, ppl are just looking too deep into this and interactions she’s having. I mean idk what’s expected. Her to turn her head away?

[stoic lodge]

What does dni mean

[cold bane]

Do not interact

[slow imp]

i’m tired

[stoic lodge]

Tonight

[stoic lodge]

Seeing way too many trump signs in my neighborhood
Some have been up for years but there's also new ones within the last couple of weeks

[storm garden]

ends

[vapid nova]

I think people are so silly on this and have never lived in places where many people disagree with you politically

I also don’t even think that them being at the US open together means anything because what if Patrick and Travis bought the box together way before anything came out like are you gonna like turn down going with your boyfriend to a private box to see the U.S. Open I don’t know. I don’t think so.
It’s not like she’s like hanging out with her alone without Travis and Patrick
like I hated my friends former boyfriend her ex he was awful. He’s borderline like a narcissist whatever but I still went out with them because I’m friends with her and I wanted to see my friend. You know it’s probably like oh Travis wants to go with Patrick in in order to go, Brittany will be there so it’s either go and deal with Brittany or don’t go at all

so yeah basically what @marsh panther said

[heady pulsar]

https://variety.com/2024/music/opinion/taylor-swift-kamala-harris-1236138123/

[cunning kindle]

honestly she has nothing much to endorse. just because kamala's a democrat, that doesn't mean taylor's necessarily going to endorse her. her PR team knows better than to let taylor speak up in favor of a candidate with no clear foreign policy and keeps flip flopping with her stances

[heady pulsar]

but her PR team is also letting her hang out with a know maga-cult member and letting trump spread fake AI images and what not, when other artists are moving to sue his ass

[vapid nova]

we also don't know what's going on behind the scenes

legal proceedings can be private

[cunning kindle]

she and her PR team are smart enough to understand that she knows what her own political opinions are, meaning she can still hang out with that "maga-cult member" regardless of their conflicting opinions. she also doesnt have to sue trump when ppl know those arent taylor's words and intentions. her fanbase knows she's more left-leaning, so she obviously wouldn't ask for ppl to vote for trump

[vapid nova]

"Even if a party is required to disclose certain information to the other side in a lawsuit, that information can be treated confidentially by the court -- that is, the party who receives it can be prevented from revealing it to anyone else, and the court can keep it out of the public record."

[marsh panther]

It also doesn't help that the alt right are fucking nuts and considering she's in her waglor era again with the season back if she says something against Trump publicly about that stuff it could possibly lead to her safety being compromised

[vapid nova]

Most suits like this can be held privately to not affect the jury until the case is settled

[vapid nova]

"The lawsuit becomes a public record as soon as it is filed. There are motions that can be filed for certain types of cases to be sealed, but this would not meet the criteria. It would be several months after an EEOC charge is filed before the case would reach the lawsuit phase. The EEOC filing itself is confidential." this as well

[cunning kindle]

and the safety of her fans too. there's crazy extremists out there who are willing to do damage to her and her fans during events simply because of political standpoints

[weary coral]

If she did, and Trump won the election, I think you have a point given that he said he’d want to go after his political enemies

[marsh panther]

The shit he's been saying is actually mental I swear

[heady pulsar]

if trump won the election i think safety would be the least of her concerns

considering how much damage he plans to do

he'd effectively make everything that he/project 2025 doesn't like illegal

[weary coral]

I still think she should speak out, but it’s understandable if not

If Trump wins, and she speaks out, I can see her leaving the country very quickly

[marsh panther]

If I had to guess she'll post her support for Kamala sometime next month

[cunning kindle]

depends on how the presidential debate goes. if kamala flops, contradicts herself, or says smth she personally disagrees with, idt taylor's posting her support for anyone. she'd prob js encourage ppl to vote

[marsh panther]

Gotta see how tonight goes

But everything points to Kamala wiping the floor with him

[cunning kindle]

how so?/curious

[marsh panther]

Just the way trump has spoken at his rallies etc since Joe dropped out

He's not the same trump anymore

[weary coral]

Waking up tomorrow to hopefully good news here in the UK 🤞

[stoic lodge]

Trump gonna blow it tonight

[cunning kindle]

as in his policies changed? orr he's taking different stances

[stoic lodge]

Just like Biden did at their debate

[weary coral]

He waffles so much

[cunning kindle]

srry im unfamiliar with the term 😭

[weary coral]

Talks about fictional characters, gets asked questions and responds with ‘vote for me’

[weary coral]

Talks nonsense

[cunning kindle]

ahh icic

[stoic lodge]

Waffles- fail to make up one's mind. Speak or write, especially at great length, without saying anything important or useful

[cunning kindle]

tonight tho, even if he did say anything that made sense, idt anyone will take his words for face value bc of the hate he receives, and will mainly focus on kamala's plausible performances in the debate

[weary coral]

He’s also a liar

But some choose not to see that

[cunning kindle]

sorry i dont watch his interviews/debates that much, but what does he lie abt?

[weary coral]

I suggest you look into what he did in office - he only did 2 things (reduce tax for millionaires and billionaires & the Roe vs Wade)

And ‘I’m great for women’s healthcare’ stuff too

[cunning kindle]

i think he also managed peace treaties and was able to get putin to back off from ukraine during his presidency

[cunning kindle]

ah his stance on abortion

[weary coral]

He also said that he will ‘resolve the war and end it’ - AKA: give whatever Putin wants

[cunning kindle]

as in give them whatever funds they need? or as in try to manage a peace deal between russia and ukraine

[stoic lodge]

Everything

[weary coral]

Typo: I meant give whatever Putin wants

[flat owl]

And this is why people are mad at Taylor. She’s basically giving a silent endorsement to Trump (even though real fans know she’s not a Trump supporter)
I’m seeing a lot of MAGA act like she’s a Trumper now. They think she’s endorsed him

[stoic lodge]

Esp after that tweet by trump with the AI images

[cunning kindle]

it's not even her fault that ppl perceive it that way bc they want some sort of political drama thats always going to be polarized. it's the fans who are obsessed with finding out abt her personal views

[nimble furnace]

but surely by that logic she was giving mainly kamala a silent endorsement? from what i’ve seen everyone else in that box were kamala supporters

[weary coral]

That doesn’t get clicks

[weary coral]

Ignore lol

Probably a bot anyways

[royal badge]

Abby Lee miller has endorsed Kamala

[flat coral]

as a pennsylvanian ive seen first hand the overwhelming support for her here

ive seen a few trump supporters but ive seen sign upon sign in support of harris

and there were probably hundreds or thousands of supporters in the city the other week during the labor day parade

[somber thunder]

Can’t say where I live is the same

It is very republican

One of my neighbors has three flags on there lawn

A MAGA flag

A god guns and trump flag

And a straight pride flag

They also have like an anti abortion flag but it isn’t up right now

They have a trump banner on there garage

And 2 trump signs in there lawn

It’s insane 😭

Also they have a really rude dog that they just sort of let free and whenever I walk past there house it starts barking SUPER loud at me 😭

Not every house in my neighborhood is like this but there definitely are a large amount

[clear lantern]

There's a truck in my city that has Biden tied up and gagged with a trump pointing a gun at him. Took up his whole back window. Full color, details, everything. Crazy shit

[untold pivot]

When will the debate happen?

[clear lantern]

9 PM eastern

[untold pivot]

How many hours from now?

[clear lantern]

An hour

Actually 55 minutes for technicality

[untold pivot]

Thanks!

Well its 2 am for me soo I‘ll be looking forward to the summary tomorrow morning

[clear lantern]

Yeah no problem! Yeah if it's 2am your time its definitely not something to stay up for, especially since youre not in the united states. Not saying it doesnt affect you because it absolutely does, just saying youre good to just head to bed if you want

[untold pivot]

Oh yes I‘d say all kinds of politics affect me thats why I‘m always trying to stay educated! But its not worth losing sleep for it, especially during the week 😅

[clear lantern]

Yes, facts. Get you some zzzz's

[untold pivot]

Thanks you too!

[wide pawn]

It's almost debate time

14 minutes

A criminal prosecutor will debate a prosecuted criminal for the first time in a presidential debate

Historic

[clear lantern]

Insane stuff. Taking cops and robbers to a whole new level lmao

[fresh field]

live debate time

lol

[quaint totem]

anyone else doing debate bingo

[marsh panther]

in case yall don't know the debate is being streamed on YT as well as well basically everywhere https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRh6598RmHM

[left river]

yup

[fresh field]

https://youtu.be/VgsC_aBquUE different stream if that one breaks

[oblique marsh]

kamala eating him up tho 😍🙏🙏🙏

[left river]

I didn’t know that this was the first time they met

[oblique marsh]

why is he bringing up immigration on every policy? omg bruh

[left river]

he always does that

everytime

[rapid turtle]

OMG this is a hard watch

[oblique marsh]

kamala trying not to laugh 💀

[rapid turtle]

Definitely

[oblique marsh]

i’m like giggling bruh

[rapid turtle]

I can't with trump rn

[left river]

If he wins this November we’re doomed

[rapid turtle]

Definitely

[oblique marsh]

why’d he say that we’re killing the baby after his birth

[true swift]

Idk I just tuned in

[marsh panther]

he actually got clocked by abc moderators themselves

that's funny

[true swift]

Oh

[oblique marsh]

NO LITERALLT CLOCK THAT TEA SIS

[rapid turtle]

Yeah. Like what do you mean by that

[left river]

trump already saying lies..

like he tried to ban abortion

[oblique marsh]

“idk what project 2025 is” LITERALLY JD VANCE LIKE CO SIGNING IT

[rapid turtle]

I'm so glad that my state has said that it's ok.

[true swift]

Idk what project 25 is either

[rapid turtle]

Same

Oh boy

[oblique marsh]

kamala clocked him help

[marsh panther]

so far this has been exactly as expected

[rapid turtle]

Kamala is so real right now.

[marsh panther]

trump: rambling
kamala: fighting back

[oblique marsh]

i already got bingo on my card

[marsh panther]

abc literally said yes or no question

and bro did not answer the question

it's insane

[storm garden]

the way kamala explains things is so powerful

[rapid turtle]

I haven't even been watching since the beginning and definitely true

[flat coral]

she’s such a good speaker

this is embarrassing for him

[marsh panther]

cause he's actually cooked

he's not the same trump anymore

he can't talk

[storm garden]

trump just talks and talks and talks and I never understand what he’s saying

[rapid turtle]

Well she was a judge to be fair

[oblique marsh]

abc: “so the economy…” trump: “so it was immigration”

[flat coral]

he’s never been a good candidate but now he’s even worse 😭