US Politics

[placid jacinth]

If this doesn’t scream dictatorship

Then idk wtf will

I will actually fucking move to another country if he wins no joke

We’re literally crashing down into a forest if he wins with no way out

[marsh panther]

which is why it's important to vote

and you'll still have people going "hmmmm idk kamala bad too though" motherfucker kamala ain't trying to overthrow democracy

[placid jacinth]

I rlly would if my bd wasn’t in December all i can do is just sit and watch and pray for the best

[placid jacinth]

That’s what I’m saying, like there’s a big difference one wants to take our rights away and the other doesn’t.. ppl it doesn’t take a squirrels brain to realize what option is the best. 😭😭

[marsh panther]

isn't the US political system fun

[placid jacinth]

Soooo fun

[marsh panther]

at the very least as we've seen in the past week

with kamala everything has shifted

we're in a much better position polls wise vs when joe was in the race

[placid jacinth]

True as long as she wins that’s what matters whether it’s by a large margin or not

[sonic oyster]

Just found out Trump made fun of disabled person for being disabled 😡😡🤬

Why does he still have supporting smh

Kamala is just like.laughing and stuff she seems better and I saw a speech by her she can actually talk

[placid jacinth]

??

Proof?

[sonic oyster]

No girl I'm too lazy to provide give.me like 8 hours imma sleep first

Then ill

Guve

Give

[placid jacinth]

I ain’t believing it till I see it

[sonic oyster]

Ok

Wait 8ish hours plesse

Plese

Please

[placid jacinth]

I’ll be here in 8 hours

Dw

[wintry remnant]

He did this in like 2016

This is news to you?

[placid jacinth]

I wasn’t very into politics back then tbh so this is new to me

[wintry remnant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX9reO3QnUA

[placid jacinth]

This is fucking disgusting

And this is who we let win in 2016?

[somber thunder]

I don’t understand how people can vote for him

[placid jacinth]

Same here tbh

[somber thunder]

I honestly understand your concern, but as the world changes, so will peoples opinions. Also people gain experience this could affect opinions,.I’m sure some of trumps opinions have also changed over the years. They could also not even be changing, she just might need or want to focus on different aspects. I think while some of her opinions may have changed slightly, she will continue to have the same core values and major opinions throughout her campaign and possible presidency.

Also this is sorta random but ur pfp is super cute lol

[loud lantern]

ok so

no one is talking about the prison sentence topic

?

[somber thunder]

I haven’t heard of it

Idk

[placid jacinth]

???

[somber thunder]

Can someone explain it idk about it

[loud lantern]

https://youtube.com/shorts/Dytgv5uBfNQ?si=UVkOr9GZQyjaBHRm

[placid jacinth]

We alr talked about this earlier

[loud lantern]

oh

[placid jacinth]

I’ll say it again tho

[loud lantern]

ok

[placid jacinth]

If it is true then yes it is extremely fucked up. However we rlly can’t expect every candidate to be perfect. Shes not perfect nor is trump. It’s gotten to a point where it’s not a “oh I like this person and their policies” type of of election it’s now rlly come down to “oh I prefer this running candidate over the other” major difference between those 2. One is trying to absolutely abolish America and rights, and the other not

And I def prefer her running over Biden for quite the obv reasons. One of them being she’s better suited for the job physically and second being bc we have a better chance of not losing our rights, democracy, and better chance of project 2025 not happening

[loud lantern]

true

[placid jacinth]

The policies trump has in mind are extreme and aren’t worth risking of getting

[loud lantern]

literally

[civic barn]

THANK YOUUU

[vapid nova]

that was a lie remember

[weary coral]

Speaking of changing opinions
Look at JD Vance
We all know what he called Trump, back when he was at his most powerful before this

Pete Buttigieg: ‘There’s no reason as to why he’s changed his views on Trump apart from gaining power’

[vapid nova]

this was literally proven false are you going to trust fucking tulsi gabbard

daniel larsen is the lolcow kid im pretty dure she also literally put rehab reform in plave

[placid jacinth]

Ty for debunking all this

[weary coral]

Also notice how the YouTube channel doesn’t show Kamala responding

Not surprised tbh

[vapid nova]

the fact is she “loves israel” because she’s trying to avoid a complete blood bath in the middle east by making sure she has an IN to NEGOTIATE with Netanyahu. I think people lack understanding of the fact you have to play politics like a game. The fact she is publicly criticizing is a big deal

she also has to appeal to more moderate voters ofc she’s going to denounce flag burning

[vapid nova]

ofc its just the same bs that people spout

[placid jacinth]

I had my doubts and still did

[weary coral]

Woah woah

According to Trump I thought she ‘didn’t like the Jewish people’

And ‘didn’t like Israel’

[placid jacinth]

Tbh

[weary coral]

Yet her husband is Jewish

[placid jacinth]

Trump would be the last person you want to believe lol

That’s like believing he has nothing to do with project 2025

[weary coral]

I don’t believe a word of his - hence her husband being Jewish

But the ‘logic’ used against some people is just so

[placid jacinth]

It rlly is lol

If she hated Jewish ppl why would she be married to one

[vapid nova]

tbh trump has jewish grandkids which is the only reason he likes “jews”

[placid jacinth]

Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s the only reason

At this rate I’d be surprised if Kamala loses to this man

[flat owl]

Not you believing Tulsi Gabbard. Bffr. You can look up her record. She only locked up 45 people total. Of all races

I swear media literacy is dead. People will literally believe anything

[reef zenith]

It is giving United Dictatorship of America

[weary coral]

Also a post he put out with a road image and elections until the year 30000 or something and saying ‘4ever’

[weary coral]

Autocracy.

[flat coral]

he’s literally saying to their faces that he wants to be a dictator and they don’t care

[placid jacinth]

I literally told my friend and all he said was like “oh he’s just saying this is his last time running” (keep in mind they’re a trump supporter).

[flat coral]

i saw everyone on twitter saying he’s just urging christians who haven’t voted before to vote just this once

but idk

[placid jacinth]

That is the biggest bs ever

[dusty sparrow]

America won’t improve anyway with either Trump or Kamala so

we are cooked 🗣️🔥

[flat coral]

idk I like kamala

[dusty sparrow]

2 party system so ass

💔💔

[flat coral]

real shit

[placid jacinth]

Yea I believe you don’t pay attention to anything at all

[dusty sparrow]

someone needs to reform this mental healthcare system bro it’s so bad

[dusty sparrow]

we love capitalism 🥰🥰

[placid jacinth]

One is clearly out here to take our rights away and make this country hell and the other isn’t

It’s as simple as that

[dusty sparrow]

yea obviously kamala is better

but im just saying

it’s either stay the same which isn’t great

or

hell breaks loose

[placid jacinth]

I’d rather us stay the same then to go down a dictatorship path

[dusty sparrow]

I do too

dw

[placid jacinth]

If trump wins I’m moving out of this country

And will have lost faith in America

[vale grove]

Make an envelope just for the money to move to a different country. Just in case, because I’m moving out as well if Trump wins.

making sure I have money to move out.

[flat coral]

Biden is supposed to announce some Supreme Court reforms on Monday

I’m interested

[storm garden]

there is literally nothing in the Constitution that says more SCOTUS Justices can't be appointed

but would still require Senate confirmation

by a simple majority

(don't know if the Kamala's tie-breaker vote as President of the Senate counts as a majority)

or Biden could try to pass some kind of binding SCOTUS ethics bill, but the GOP controls the House of Reps

[loud lantern]

oHaNa mEanS fAmIlY🥰😍😍😍😘😘😘

[wide pawn]

They tried to make fun of Kamala's step daughter

Who looks cool af

[wide pawn]

It was set at 9 back then because of the number of circuit courts, since each justice oversees one

There are now currently 13 circuit courts

[weary coral]

I don’t get their point?

What’s the issue

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Loomer

Not surprised.

[placid jacinth]

I’m well and ready for that

[wide pawn]

Trump winning is all the evidence I need to know this country is doomed

Project 2025 plans to make major cuts to education

They want to dumb down the population

[placid jacinth]

Same here

The min he wins there’s no coming back

[placid jacinth]

Like what type?

[placid jacinth]

They want to make us feel more than dumb with this shit

[wide pawn]

They're going to make severe cuts to college education, making it even MORE expensive

Make it harder to seek loan forgiveness. There are currently many programs that let you get forgiveness if you're in public service

Republicans are already challenging those programs in courts

Project 2025 would kill it

[placid jacinth]

Oh yea I’m moving out for sure, I can hardly afford a Publix sub why would I be able to afford double my college debt? This is fucking ridiculous

[placid jacinth]

I need them to stay

[placid jacinth]

This is actually bs these guys rlly don’t want us to get a higher education

That’s literally gonna kill it all like you said, then were fucked

[wide pawn]

They want to replace public education, or at least dumb it down, and promote religious schools

Like, they're actually stopping the separation of church and state

[placid jacinth]

So you’re telling me they want to get rid of normal schools or a majority of it and replace it with religious ones?

[wide pawn]

Two states recently started requiring the Bible be taught in schools (which is literally unconstitutional), and they're both bottom 5 in education in the whole country

[wide pawn]

Yup

110% this

[placid jacinth]

Bro this is actually concerning like rlly concerning to me as a rising high school senior

[wide pawn]

Tennessee cut their public education and recently started giving out vouchers for religious schools.. and it's mostly rich kids that qualify

[placid jacinth]

Oh so now we going against the almighty and beautiful constitution? Ffs

What tf is this shit

[placid jacinth]

This is just fuckeddd

[wide pawn]

They're confident because they've got a supreme court on their side

Literally the only thing stopping them before was a fair Supreme Court

They already ruled you can't teach bibles in schools years ago... now they might undo it

That's why electing a Democrat president matters so much. The next one might replace up to 2 of the conservatives

[placid jacinth]

🤦‍♂️

[wide pawn]

Donald Trump already put 3 on there. I don't want him putting another 2. Having 5 out of 9 judges be Trump picked would be Trump becoming a literal king

[placid jacinth]

They got a whole Supreme Court on their side? What is this shit 😭😭😭

[wide pawn]

Yeah, 6 of the 9 judges are conservatives thanks to Trump. And they're already undoing previous rulings

[placid jacinth]

Wouldn’t be surprised if they undo it

[wide pawn]

Same-sex marriage might be another one they undo. There's already groups planning to being a case to them to undo it

[placid jacinth]

I need Kamala to win no matter what idgaf if it’s by one state or by one person or wtv I need her to win

Or we’re fucked

[wide pawn]

She's got a path to victory, but it will be a hard race. Every vote will matter

No room for being complacent

[placid jacinth]

He might just put 2 I mean what’s stopping him

[wide pawn]

Like her worst is literally better than Trump's best

Kamala 110%

[placid jacinth]

Atp they might just set us back to the 1800s

[wide pawn]

The only thing stopping him is that he's not president. If he become president again, he's unstoppable

[wide pawn]

I mean women are already back to dying from pregnancies so they've been progress with that

In a few states you literally need to be on the brink of death to qualify for an emergency abortion

[placid jacinth]

Oh this is surely setting the lgbtq community in flames

[wide pawn]

Some women have already become infertile because they were forced to wait too long

[placid jacinth]

What else are they gonna undo atp

[placid jacinth]

It’s gonna be a hard race but she got this I rlly hope she do

[wide pawn]

Yeah, Biden actually agreed with the conservatives to pass an immigration bill and they killed their own bill because Trump said it would help democrats

[wide pawn]

It's doable, but like I said it will be hard work

[placid jacinth]

Yea dictatorship 101

[wide pawn]

So spread the word, project 2025 cannot be allowed to happen

[placid jacinth]

That’s actually disgusting to think about

[placid jacinth]

She’s got this I don’t see why she wouldn’t tbh

[placid jacinth]

It’s literally like dropping russias biggest nuke in the heart of the USA

[wide pawn]

I thought the same about Clinton in 2016. I thought there's no way America would let Trump win

So yeah, can't be complacent

[placid jacinth]

True

[placid jacinth]

If he wins I genuinely believe ppl don’t know shit they’re voting for

[wide pawn]

Based on some of the things Trump supporters have told me, i don't think they even know how government works

[placid jacinth]

I literally have a friend who’s a trump supporter who sees nothing wrong with getting rid of abortion bc it’s “murder” I genuinely don’t know how he got admitted into one of the best universities in New York with this knowledge

[weary coral]

Destroying the department of education

[placid jacinth]

Yea ik but like specifically, but dw i was alr told. Crazy wanting to make schools go religiously

[weary coral]

Wdym specifically? Shutting down the whole department is more than just specific

[placid jacinth]

Scroll back up and read the convo

You’ll see what I mean

[weary coral]

He did it because if the situation gets worse, it’s better for Trump

[weary coral]

Not quite

Project 2025 will give more authority in cases to those with ‘religious reasons’ over the LGBTQ+ community

[wide pawn]

Same-sex marriage itself is unrelated to project 2025

[weary coral]

The project will heavily favour heterosexual couples, but it’s not saying a complete riddance of same-sex marriage as I’m pretty sure that got admitted constitutionally earlier in the 2010’s

[wide pawn]

I'm saying there are specifically conservative groups right now working on cases to bring to the Supreme Court to undo obergefell, this could happen without project 2025

[weary coral]

Such as the ‘don’t say ‘gay’ bill’

If that’s what you mean

[wide pawn]

Also unrelated actually

Hold on

https://www.newsweek.com/same-sex-marraige-kim-davis-kentucky-federal-court-obergefell-1929498

So basically the same way Roe got overturned

[weary coral]

It’s frightening

[wide pawn]

There are conservative groups looking to find reasons to bring same sex marriage back to the Supreme Court

Because they can't technically have the same ruling twice, but they can rule on similar things and overturn past things

This was just a few days ago btw

We could literally have the case at SCOTUS in a year or 2

[weary coral]

Bottom line is, Trump can do whatever he wants basically if he gets elected
As soon as civil servants are changed from being ‘loyal to the law’ to being ‘loyal to Trump’

[wide pawn]

Yup 11000000%

They want to replace everyone in the government with loyalists

That's North Korea level authoritarianism

Be loyal or be removed

[weary coral]

Which is ironic because they are being asked to be loyal to the guy who had the most turnovers in presidential history

[weary coral]

It’s autocracy

[wide pawn]

It's insane that people want this. But the good news is that the more people learn about project 2025, the more people want to stop it. So right now, what you can all do is spread the word about it!

Tell everyone

[weary coral]

It’s been out for a while - even Trump has ‘distanced’ himself from it

It is that controversial

[wide pawn]

Yeah, but but there are still a lot of people that don't really know what it is

[weary coral]

“I had no clue” he said - whilst many of his former top people are involved in the making of it

[wide pawn]

Like, the time to educate the public about it is right now

Not just say it's happening, but explain what it means

[weary coral]

Easiest thing to do is have politics be compulsory in schools

And most logical

[wide pawn]

I learned about politics in my school, but it was an elective

My teacher was actually a moderate republican but I did learn a lot

[placid jacinth]

Russia dictatorship shit honestly

[placid jacinth]

Make it a mandatory 1 or 2 year course at high school tbh, bc it’s important for ppl to know what’s going on in the country they’re in and etc. whether they’re old enough to vote or not

[reef zenith]

Technically, without Congress no, and the Supreme Court (albeit biased) could block stuff that would be unconstitutional

[wide pawn]

That's what's concerning about Trump is that he can appointment more justices with the intention, knowing who he's picking, that they'll side with him

[placid jacinth]

Exactly

So technically he could do anything if that happens

Which is why it’s important for him to not win

[royal badge]

#New Congress Poll

#NY04
🔵 Gillan 46% (+7)
🔴 DEsposito (Inc) 39%

#AZ06
🔵 Engel 44% (+1)
🔴 Ciscomani (Inc) 43%

[weary coral]

Oh wow

[royal badge]

In NY04 it is the most Democratic-leaning congressional district represented by a Republican

Desposito’s popularity is in a free fall

[flat coral]

❤️❤️❤️

On Fox News too

I know they’re mad

[quick carbon]

Nah it's not real. Desmond Benjamin will win

[wide pawn]

Fox News actually has a record of conducting good polls too

[storm garden]

their polling/statistics department is probablly kept isolated from their news/opinion production

but it can't be a comfortable environment to work in

other TV networks pay for outside polling to dissuade even the suggestion of internal bias

[dapper sail]

Polls aren't always the most accurate

It all depends on who's being polled, what state, and how many people they're polling

[wide pawn]

Favorability is actually a good metric for predicting elections

It shows where independents might swing towards

[dapper sail]

Trump losing in that poll is concerning for Trump supporters but that can change depending on the performance in the debates

[wide pawn]

Assuming Trump actually debates, considering he's been possibly backing out

Harris being a prosecutor might eat him alive

[dapper sail]

Trump will debate, he states he's making sure Kamala Harris is officially the candidate the DNC is picking

[wide pawn]

That's fair

[dapper sail]

He kind of has to debate otherwise he won't get a higher following

I dont see why he wouldn't, he states its easier to debate Kamala than Biden

[wide pawn]

Idk about that one

I mean Biden was a pretty low bar debate wise

[dapper sail]

Yeah I'm not sure either, I dont know much about Kamala Harris except she was super unpopular in the 2020 primary

Tulsi Gabbard called her out for putting many people in prison for weed crimes

[wide pawn]

She wasn't as well spoken in 2020, but she definitely got better after a few years in the public eye

[wide pawn]

I mean she was AG, it was kinda her job

Whether she liked it or not

[dapper sail]

Yeah thats fair

No idea what other things Kamala Harris has on her that can be used against her

[wide pawn]

They'll use the border against her

Even though her job was just to research why people are migrating, not to control the border

[storm garden]

I'm at risk of being pilloried here, but I some similarities between the public personas of KH and TS, especially how they mix adork-able behavior with evidence of deeper insights

KH obviously has more gravitas in serious settings, being VP and potentially POTUS

[dapper sail]

Trump's debate tactics over the years seem to just be to make their opponent look as bad as possible

[wide pawn]

Overall I like Harris, I really hope taylor endorses her

[wide pawn]

Yeah, in 2020 his strategy was to talk over Biden and make him stumble because he's got a stutter problem

[dapper sail]

Yeah and it would've worked if he didn't manage covid so poorly

[wide pawn]

For Harris he's definitely going to attack her over the border

[wide pawn]

Yeahhhh, one of the debates got canceled because he got covid, ironically

[storm garden]

don't forget "Would you shut up man?"

that was a moment

[wide pawn]

Iconic moment

[dapper sail]

Trump downplaying the virus really ruined his chances in 2020

[wide pawn]

Yup. Many of his supporters turned on him after losing loved ones to covid

[storm garden]

Yes, then Biden could throw in "A. Million. Dead. Americans."

[wide pawn]

This election will be tough for Kamala. Even though inflation is down she'll still get attacked for it

[storm garden]

Herman Cain Award Club

[wide pawn]

Ah yeah, that guy

I really hated him when he ran in 2012. Super homophobic

[dapper sail]

Yeah I wonder how Kamala will perform in the debates cause I believe that will be the ultimate factor on if she will win or not

[wide pawn]

She's definitely better spoken than she was in 2020

[storm garden]

there is a whole sub on reddit called that, all about COVID-deniers and vaccine-refusers dying of COVID

r/HermanCainAward

[wide pawn]

I'm aware, I remember so many trumpers dying of covid back then

And then the right wing media would cover their deaths without using the word covid

[storm garden]

if it was possible to overdose on schadenfreude, I'd be dead

[wide pawn]

This election is really hard to predict all things considered

[storm garden]

there is reason to be cautiously optismistic

[wide pawn]

We have basically only a week of data because anything before biden dropping out is basically inaccurate

[storm garden]

still, show the funk up to vote

[wide pawn]

People don't answer hypothetical polls as seriously and quality polls take at least a week to conduct

It's funny tho, the age argument for president is suddenly dead even tho Trump would actually be the oldest person ever elected if he wins

They spent months attacking biden for his age, which I mean they're not wrong, but the thing is now they have nothing to argue on so they're starting from scratch

And Trump definitely has many signs of cognitive decline, which may not be in the spotlight since Biden is out of the picture

The Harris campaign is also starting their ads

It's getting interesting

[storm garden]

another factor is its more difficult to gauge the youth vote

they're less likely to answer calls from unknown numbers

[dapper sail]

Yeah we don't answer from unknown numbers

Scammers are out there

[storm garden]

no kiddin'

[dapper sail]

Explains why I've never answered a poll

Nobody on the street has ever asked me whom I was voting for

So I wonder who's getting polled

[storm garden]

and most pollsters consider self-selecting internet polls to be absolute hot garbage

with good reason

[dapper sail]

If they're internet polls, yeah they're usually terrible

I had one internet poll popped up as an advertisement and I lied in it 💀

[storm garden]

political polls online tend to attract organized mobs intending to over-represent loyalist groups

[naive robin]

er no

the last part, at least

though she has done some problematic things people mostly endorses her

just as much as trump id say

[wide pawn]

People don't really hate Kamala Harris, not as much as Biden and Trump at least

[flat coral]

I’ve seen mostly love for Kamala

I like her a lot

[wide pawn]

I'd you all hear Trump wants to replace Vance

[loud lantern]

I’m afraid Trump’s gonna win this election

[placid jacinth]

What?

[placid jacinth]

I’m holding out hope he won’t

[loud lantern]

Mhm

[flat coral]

https://x.com/joebiden/status/1818048146238230704?s=46

Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) on X

In the face of increasing threats to America’s democratic institutions, I am calling for three bold reforms to restore trust and accountability to the Supreme Court and our democracy.

First, I am calling for a constitutional amendment called the No One Is Above the Law

Twitter · Jul 29, 2024, 10:17 PM

I know this isn’t directly related to the election but these reforms are really good

No one is above the law and SCOTUS term limits 🔥🔥

[placid jacinth]

It’s not directly related but it’s connected

And we all know to who and how

I rlly stand by the first one and second one a lot

The third idk much about to rlly speak on

But I’m glad we’re setting age limits now

[flat coral]

I don’t fully understand the third one but the first two are amazing

[placid jacinth]

Same here, but I rlly do love the first and second one. I rlly do hope they go through

Bc if trump wins it would lower the severity of his shit

But still be enough to set America ablaze

[flat coral]

no one above the law amendment is huge after that scotus ruling for trump a few weeks ago

[placid jacinth]

Real

If that goes in like I said it would ease a bit of what trump has planned if he goes into the Oval Office

[flat coral]

I think kamala wins this election tbh

Might be hopeful thinking but it’s looking good

[placid jacinth]

She’s got this

But shit could go south any time

[fresh field]

so the scotus has been under fire in regards to ethics

A judge has to be ethical, how can a judge be ruling over someone if for example they commit crimes themselves?

or if they take money(bribery)

this is the problem with the supreme court because clarence thomas has been benefiting from his position on the supreme court

aka bribery but there are no "ethic rules" right now for the supreme court

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2023/09/22/clarence-thomas-here-are-all-the-ethics-scandals-involving-the-supreme-court-justice-amid-koch-network-revelations/

also his wife was involved in january 6th and he shouldve recused himself over any cases related to jan 6th imo

[scenic veldt]

For anyone into US politics and who knows who Antony Blinken is this is a funny picture lol

[coarse rapids]

Omg Midnights stan

[quick carbon]

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[quick carbon]

It is a joke don't take it seriously

[flat coral]

honestly starting to lose hope that kamala can win this

idk why

[unborn moss]

They can only have this brat campaign going on for so long 😂

[vapid nova]

as a voter i have confidence

considering jd vance and trump are literally dumb as a bag of rocks

[flat coral]

im one month short of being able to vote

[vapid nova]

i voted last time

[flat coral]

true but so are all of their voters 😭

[vapid nova]

but people are registering that didn't want to vote at first

also the polls are good

and hillary didn't win not because she was a woman but because people HATE hillary and ALL the clintons

[flat coral]

all the polls ive seen today have favored trump

[vapid nova]

send?

[flat coral]

looking back it’s pretty much 50/50

[vapid nova]

its a 1% margin right now

[flat coral]

wasn’t it more in favor of kamala a few days ago tho

[vapid nova]

polls change tbh if you were really like conscious in 2016 its very much different than now

[flat coral]

I mean i guess that poll is from July 22-24

[flat coral]

I was conscious but i was like 9 so I wasn’t following the election 😭

[vapid nova]

see i was in high school

and ive been like aware through obama's second run till now of politics

so I can like feel the shift that kamala is giving more 2008/2012 vs 2016

[flat coral]

this is honestly the first election im following closely

i remember 2020 obv but not the specifics leading up to the election and all

[vapid nova]

i voted in that one 😭

i think its also

[vapid nova]

i have seen more republicans publicly endorse harris and denounce trump and his statements than ive seen like... ever and THAT makes a difference

[placid jacinth]

Nah

She got this

She gotta play her cards right and she in

[coarse rapids]

She needs to pull a checkmate and succeed

[vapid nova]

think about how my equivalent to this is the 2014 election which was for obama's second term

[weary coral]

The 2nd one is a week old no?

[vapid nova]

yes but im gonna be 100% honest doom posting actually leads to more harm

[flat coral]

that’s true sorry 😭

[keen crane]

bro i just heard that jd vance wrote a book and in it, it supposedly talks about him having intimacy with a COUCH?

im being so serious too

supposedly its in a book called "hillbilly elegy" 1st edition

[placid jacinth]

What she needs to do is play her cards right and get as many votes as possible

[placid jacinth]

This is actually insane 😭

[flat coral]

I don’t think it’s true but it’s still hilarious and im absolutely gonna continue joking about it

[weary coral]

It’s hilarious

[stoic lodge]

Come on mark Kelly please 🙏

[muted meadow]

I cannot vote, as a non-US Citizen, but I urge you all to vote Kamala. Trump will drive the US straight into the ground and will make life miserable for possible the whole world, with the power that the US has

[stoic lodge]

I think most of us here are voting Kamala on account of her being [anyone but Trump]

[placid jacinth]

Trust me we know trump will burn this country alive and bring it down to ashes

That’s why we rlly need Kamala to win

[stoic lodge]

They getting triggered being called old and weird lmao

[royal badge]

General Election Poll - Georgia

🔵 Harris 48% (+1)
🔴 Trump 47%

Public policy #B - 620 RV - 7/30

[vale grove]

chat, should we be scared who Kamala Harris is picking for VP?

[stoic lodge]

No

[placid jacinth]

Question is why should we be?

Is there someone who she shouldn’t pick?

[stoic lodge]

Shouldn't be scared

Maybe a little worried that dems mess it up again

Just pick mark Kelly already

[vale grove]

I just fear that democrats might loose in November

Which I know everyone does who supports democrats

[stoic lodge]

Dems low key cowards they play too nice

[flat coral]

megan thee stallion and quavo at kamala’s rally?? hell yeah

[flat coral]

I’m not scared but im eager to know who it is

im sure whoever it is will be a good pick

[scenic veldt]

Girl that’s so random 😭 her momentum hasn’t abated whatsoever and things are only looking bright in the near future with the VP pick and DNC coming soon. If anything she’s at an even better point now than last week

[royal badge]

Bashear would win her the election

Kelly’s senate seat is to important

[scenic veldt]

Shapiro will bring unnecessary divisions and hurt her standing with gen z voters (although I think he’s extremely well qualified) so in the end I hope it’s Kelly

[scenic veldt]

That’s true

[royal badge]

Yeah he’d win over a lot of swing state voters

Maybe pull over Georgia again

[scenic veldt]

I’m excited for Monday

[royal badge]

But the Harris campaign knows more then us

[scenic veldt]

Yea they’re defo going to try hard to get Georgia

Imo they’re gonna win in November, I’m pretty firm in my belief lol

[royal badge]

Some polls have put Harris in the lead in Georgia

[scenic veldt]

Idk if it’s a bit delusional

[scenic veldt]

Yea

[royal badge]

But it’s to much of a toss up there

[scenic veldt]

We need those Atlanta suburban soccer moms to come out and vote harris

Like they did for Biden four years ago

Then Georgias in the bag

[royal badge]

If the soccer moms aren’t in the mood North Carolina always looks like a god alternative

NC voted Obama

They may vote for a candidate of colour again

[stoic lodge]

Wouldn't they put another dem in

[royal badge]

A special election would be held in the midterms

But the GOP will have an advantage most likely

I also don’t know if the governor is democrat

[stoic lodge]

@royal badge just do a quick google search

"If Kelly were to be the pick and go on to win the election, his vacated Senate seat would be filled by an interim selected by Gov. Katie Hobbs (D) before a special election in 2026. His term is slated to expire after the 2028 election."

[royal badge]

That is what I said put into detail

[stoic lodge]

why would GOP most likely have an advantage?

[royal badge]

Kelly is popular and has held positions in the navy and NASA therefore he can win over many more voters

The GOP would have a far better chance if he stepped down to become VP

[stoic lodge]

you give AZ GOP too much credit

[storm garden]

yes, this photo was taken in, of all places, Beijing

[storm garden]

Arizona GOP is the sort of people who think Kari Lake can win a Senate seat

[wide pawn]

Why's that

[wide pawn]

No, actually

But polls actually don't mean much until like a month before the election

They always change a lot a few months before

[vapid nova]

literally how i felt lol

[flat coral]

yeah sorry idk i guess i was just overthinking it 😭

[stoic lodge]

Calm down

[placid jacinth]

They won’t imo

[placid jacinth]

Ohh idk much about the choices she has tbh

But what I do know is that she def knows what she was doing picking out a very specific track

This is a debate I will be there to see

[stoic lodge]

Trump freaking bombed at that journalist convention lmao

[flat coral]

not sure of credibility but I think I saw someone say she’s expected to announce her running mate at her philly rally on Tuesday

makes me think it’s probably shapiro but not confirmed

[stoic lodge]

Well she's touring next week so it will be then if not before

[flat coral]

hopefully trump’s atrocious performance in chicago loses him a lot of voters

[royal badge]

There is a chance it will cost him Pennsylvania

Maybe even Georgia

[flat coral]

only thing that sucks is most of his supporters follow him so blindly they don’t even see anything wrong with the stuff he says

I feel like the energy behind kamala is strong enough to beat him either way though

[stoic lodge]

i love the way that interview/panel host handled trump interview and responses. wasn't taking any bs and asking direct questions

probably pissed trump off that his usual tactics didnt work and was left looking like a fool

[marsh panther]

i hadn't seen the clips of trump at the journalist thing until a bit ago

holy hell who in his team thought it'd be a good idea for him to be there

bro got fully cooked it's actually insane

[stoic lodge]

But then he goes on social media and says he crushed it

[marsh panther]

bestie is a lil delusional

like it's actually insane

[stoic lodge]

maga brain rot

[dapper sail]

At this point, as long as our country doesn't blow up, I dont care whos in office

[weary coral]

Got asked about racist comments and said ‘you’re being nasty’

Then got asked if JD Vance would be ready from day 1 and said ‘the VP pick doesn’t matter normally - you’re voting for the president’

He’s distancing himself from his own VP pick - he looks really, really bad

[dreamy cradle]

Trump isn’t too fit for President btw

[placid jacinth]

wdym you don’t care who’s in office? it’s more than just our country “blowing up”.

[dapper sail]

I live a happier life not thinking about politics for now

If we were in war and Russia tried to destroy the US, I might care a little more

But I'm an anxiety wreck trying to please everyone politically when I'm bipolar as shit with politics

[placid jacinth]

Well you’re in a political thread where all we talk about are politics soo….

[dapper sail]

True, I oddly enough enjoy political memes and like looking at political demographics

Seeing who is more red in one area and who's more blue in another

[weary coral]

So that’s politics…

[quiet ferry]

😭😭

[wide pawn]

Little positive news from 538's polling stats

Now that more reliable polls are out like a week after biden dropped out, Kamala's favorability shot up like 5 points

The purple is favorable, the orange is unfavorable

[stoic lodge]

Yes she doing well enough so far we will see how it is next week with VP pick and as she speaks more

[quiet ferry]

hopefully 🙏🙏

[wide pawn]

Right, we'll know in less than a week

Apparently she'll be campaigning with her VP pick next week!

[quiet ferry]

trump’s absolute fail at that event definitely helped her

[wide pawn]

I missed it what happened

[stoic lodge]

Trump said he was the best president for black people since Abraham lincoln

[quiet ferry]

basically he decided to get black journalists in a room and went on this rant about how kamala apparently only started appearing black like a couple of months ago and she used to say she was indian??

just so much bullshit honestly

[wide pawn]

Oh gurl noo

[stoic lodge]

Had to ask what DEI meant

Said the stuff with vance doesn't matter because people vote for the president, not the VP

[quiet ferry]

he’s practically handing the presidency atp

[wide pawn]

I very clearly remembered voting for both a president and VP on a ballot but okay

[stoic lodge]

The panelist really grilled him and kept repeating the questions

Trump tried deflecting and stuff

Like right from the start lmao

[wide pawn]

It really terrifies me how this man still has a shot

Like, the choice should be obvious

[stoic lodge]

The full interview was like 30 mins

And even then it seems like it was cut short once they asked about project 2025

"OK that's it for the trump team! Thank you for joining us"

[wide pawn]

Now I wanna watch it

[stoic lodge]

https://youtu.be/Z3eCCbVr3EU?si=h337cSRjM-QYZcI1

Enjoy

Like it starts off awful and then just gets worse

[nimble furnace]

who is kinda likely to win this election?

[weary coral]

Hard money is favouring Trump

But numerous polls show an increase in points for Kamala

[nimble furnace]

i’m not even american and i hope kamala wins 😭

[stoic lodge]

Kamala

[wide pawn]

It's really hard to tell right now honestly, there's been too much of a shake up recently for a clearer picture

50/50 maybe?

I'm still leaning Trump tbh but Kamala has a good shot

[flat coral]

Trump himself is the best advertisement for not voting for him 😭 all we gotta do is let him keep talking and he’s not winning this election

[dapper sail]

Yeah but it's stressful knowing I cannot please everyone

I'm a people pleaser 😭

[stoic lodge]

Did you watch the interview above

[shut willow]

Trump is literally making EVERYONE hate him.

[dapper sail]

Trump and Kamala are close in polls

Whenever the debates for Trump and Kamala come around, that will be a likely deciding factor on who wins the election

[stoic lodge]

Trump gonna duck the election

[shut willow]

kamala has the entirety of gen Z on her side

[stoic lodge]

And likely most of the black voters

Trump gonna keep saying weird unhinged shit

Same with vance

[shut willow]

Trump has women hating him. LGBTQ hating him, basically everybody below 25 hating him, and black people hating him.

[stoic lodge]

No not everybody below 25

[shut willow]

good point lol

edited

[stoic lodge]

They pissing off childless couples and families

Women

[shut willow]

basically 75% of the population

[dapper sail]

Whatever is best for the country, I'm fine with

I'm a simple man

[stoic lodge]

Then there's all the infighting of republicans

[shut willow]

trump wants to eradicate LGBTQ

[stoic lodge]

You gotta help your neighbors and communities

[dapper sail]

I doubt he wants to go that far

[shut willow]

does that sound like the best for the country?

[stoic lodge]

He certainly does

[dapper sail]

You can make a good argument that Republicans are not LGBT friendly but I dont think he wants to exterminate gays

[shut willow]

He plans to make all hospitals unable to supply Estrogen and testosterone.

[dapper sail]

That seems like a bit of a stretch

[stoic lodge]

Exterminate Republicans lol

I seen the edit

[dapper sail]

My bad my brain gets weird sometimes

[stoic lodge]

It's true though there's a lot of closet lgbtq in republican party

[dapper sail]

Why would he want to do that?

Yeah the republicans that are extremely homophobic are half of the time in the closet

[stoic lodge]

@dapper sail you gotta take a side can't be idle

[dapper sail]

I like the dolphins and bears though

[stoic lodge]

Take one of those polls or something to see who to vote for

[dapper sail]

Oh you meant politically

Not football related my bad

[stoic lodge]

Issues you value

[dapper sail]

Well, my values when it comes to the LGBT, as a Christian, I dont really care what people do with their life as long as they're happy

as long as they're not hurting anyone, I'm fine with it

[shut willow]

He's a conservative.

Changing your gender is not a conservative belief.

[dapper sail]

Yeah the T in the LGBT has been in hot water lately (or at least it's more noticeable now)

[stoic lodge]

Oh yeah the strong Christian values of the republican party

[dapper sail]

You even have gay people wanting to split off and not be associated with the T

[shut willow]

I'm gay, and that's actually horrible.

[dapper sail]

Me personally, I dont think gender affirming care should happen to children, I think once they're adults, those decisions should be made

Its complicated though, its not as simple as 100% believing that they're transgender cause they said so especially if they're a child

So I see where the divide comes from

[placid jacinth]

project 2025 is not the best at all for this country. with that being said. that speaks for itself.

[shut willow]

I feel like when you're a child, you should be allowed to decide what you want to be. But I feel like surgery should only happen to those 18+, and until then, tuck-allowing undergarments, binders, and trans-tape should be what transgender children use.

[dapper sail]

Trump has his own agenda called Agenda 47. Project 2025 is likely fear mongering

[dapper sail]

As long as it's not cosmetic and they're not altering their own biology when they're under the age of 18, I think that's okay

[placid jacinth]

project 2025.. is literally co authored and written by his mates.. they both share similar themes theyre both catastrophic whether you believe in project 2025 or not.

[stoic lodge]

Trump is a dumb ass grifter

[dapper sail]

He's stated that many of the things (or at least some) are too extreme for his liking. Whether or not to believe that is up to us cause politicians tend to double down on their statements occasionally

[stoic lodge]

You still believe anything trump says?

[placid jacinth]

I wouldn’t believe a jack thing that mf says.

[dapper sail]

Trump is pretty bad and I dont plan on voting him again but I still am unsure if Kamala is any better

[shut willow]

Binders, tuck-alloeing undergarments, and trans-tape are to hide the female parts of a body, trans-tape being used after testosterone supplement.

[placid jacinth]

at least she’s not trying to take our rights and be a dictator. I mean idk how you can’t possibly not see a few things she plans to do right.

[dapper sail]

I know in 2020, Kamala was not the best if not extremely unpopular. If she does well against Trump in a debate, I believe she locked in her presidential seat

[stoic lodge]

Kamala is at least a generally tolerable person with pleasant demeanor

[placid jacinth]

yep.

[stoic lodge]

Like if she doesn't do much, ok fine
Whereas trump is burning every freaking bridge, trying to get last word in, lying out teeth, making everything about HIM

Just the way trump acts around other heads of countries is embarrassing

[dapper sail]

Fair enough, I dont know too much about people being transgender in school so I dont know what they use before they have the actual surgeries once they're 18

[stoic lodge]

And that's before he opens his mouth

[shut willow]

Agenda 47 has 3 chapters named "End woke & weaponized government" , "Republicans will stop left-wing woke propaganda", and "Knowledge and Skills, Not CRT and Gender Indoctrination".

[dapper sail]

Trump was able to dupe Hillary for the win in 2016, as long as Kamala Harris doesn't fall for Trump's traps, she should be okay

Jeb Bush's political career is also down the toilet after Trump

[stoic lodge]

Kamala Harris was a prosecutor she can handle her own

[stoic lodge]

JEB!!!

(please clap)

[dapper sail]

I hate the word woke, it gets annoying to hear. I kept hearing it from conservatives after the Barbie movie 😭

[stoic lodge]

People are onto trumps shit
Just watch that interview with black journalists

[shut willow]

Tuck-allowing undergarments are self-explanatory, I can't say trans-tape (look it up), and binders are restrictive tank-tops that hide female chest areas.

[dapper sail]

Barbie movie was medicore but I liked the message. It wasn't woke but the plot didn't make much sense

[stoic lodge]

Trump tries the same old shit about deflecting and redirecting

She just repeats the direct question, looking for straight answer

[dapper sail]

Oh thats what trans tape is

[stoic lodge]

Meanwhile trump is choking on his own word vomit

[dapper sail]

Yeah that doesn't seem harmful to any child at least (the trans tape)

[stoic lodge]

MAGA brain rot

[dapper sail]

Yeah, he's became a MAGA NPC and its annoying

[stoic lodge]

Like just answer the question

[dapper sail]

Yeah Trump loves to dodge questions

[shut willow]

Binders can be painful, but only if used excessively.

[stoic lodge]

And the fact that it's a woman of color is rattling him

You know it pisses him off

[dapper sail]

Yeah whomever uses those should be careful

[shut willow]

I hate how right-leaning conservatives want to "Keep men out of women's sports".

[dapper sail]

The problem is that biological men that say they're trans women who play women's sports have a huge advantage unless they're on estrogen for a while

There's gotta be strict guidelines for trans women in women's sports

Biological men have higher testosterone and can build muscle quicker than biological women

[shut willow]

You can perform tests, and I'm pretty sure they do. If you get surgery done, yoy can become biologically identical to a woman. Even with just estrogen, it's still similar to a woman's body.

[dapper sail]

If the proper testing is done to ensure there's no sign of a competitive unfair advantage, sure I'd be fine with it

It has to be strict though

[shut willow]

It does, I agree.

There's also republicans arguing that gay people shouldn't be allowed to have storytime with children?? What?????

I'm an avid reader, and I've read to 6-7 year olds, and it's always extremely fun. I literally don't understand.

Tbh, drag queens would be even better - imagine being so young, and a whimsical figure in a large pink dress, lushious hair, and a colorful face, comes up and starts excitedly reading to you.

Wouldn't you think that's better than

a guy

?

[dapper sail]

Apparently they've had a lot of creepy people do drag story hour which is why they aren't a fan of it

Either its a small amount of creeps doing creepy things that is being used to fuel the republican agenda or its a common thing

I would hope its not a common occurrence to see drag queens doing sexual shit in front of children

Cause that's fucked up

But there have been occurrences where people were celebrating pride month and they were fully nude in public which is disgusting

[stoic lodge]

I think forcing religion in public schools is disgusting

[wide pawn]

I thought there's no way Trump would win in 2016 but after that nothing surprises me

[wide pawn]

For sure

[wide pawn]

Yeah I'm sure there are a small amount. I highly doubt it's a common occurrence, but creepy people always try to find themselves around kids. Gay or not.

[shut willow]

Thoughts on forcing children to do the Pledge of Allegiance everyday?

[vale grove]

I don’t like that they force children to do the Pledge of Allegiance everyday

[stoic lodge]

Weird!

[placid jacinth]

I mean tbh.. I get the reasoning yk like oh pay some respect to your country type reasoning, but if they don’t wanna do it then just let them be yk.

[wide pawn]

Should not be forced

[flat coral]

I don’t think it should be forced but i also don’t think it is

[shut willow]

it is

[flat coral]

ive never been forced to

[wintry remnant]

I just thinking forcing children to do the Plege of Allegiance everyday is a hilarious waste of time for no gain

[flat coral]

I mean we do it every morning but you have the option to sit down and not do it

It’s protected in the constitution

[stoic lodge]

Once taylor endorses harris then it is over for trump

[dapper sail]

I've never had an issue with it back when I was in school but yeah it got really repetitive after a while

Like, I get it I like the USA and I support the troops who die to protect our country but it really did get repetitive

I think it's up to personal preference honestly, I didn't mind it that much to say the pledge of allegiance but I don't think it should be forced

[wide pawn]

I don't really understand the link between the pledge and troops. You can support troops and oppose a government

[dapper sail]

it's hard enough to wake up in the morning at school

[dapper sail]

Typically when you see the flag, at least in my case, I think of the American troops that died to protect our country and help keep the freedoms we have

[wide pawn]

And that's fair, but I'm inclined to believe it's also propaganda so that you don't question your government

That might just be me tho

[dapper sail]

It's always important to count your blessings but also don't ever be content if you feel like something is wrong with the country

[wide pawn]

To care about a country is to point out its flaws and try to make it better

[dapper sail]

It does feel like propaganda you're not wrong; that's why forcing it on others I don't agree with either

[dapper sail]

True that

the USA has many flaws but I still love it and would like it to be better

with a two party system that butt heads however, it can be pretty tough

[stoic lodge]

In other countries the flag can only be flown at government buildings

[weary coral]

Separation between state and church until they don’t like it

[dapper sail]

Trump and Kamala won't debate each other cause Kamala wants it on ABC and Trump wants it on Fox News

I dont understand why it matters this much, they're just moderators, they're just asking the questions

I wanna see the debate unfold 😭

This is what we get for having politically biased news stations 😔

[wintry remnant]

Cause Trump's a coward who backed out of an agreement.

On May 15, Biden and Trump agreed to debate on June 27 with CNN and on September 10 with ABC News.

And then now when it's Harris who outperforms him on the polling, he wants to retreat to a news station that he openly endorses and has been for the last decade or so with the stipulation too that there's a live audience?

He's a coward.

[dapper sail]

Tbh, Trump might think he doesn't need to debate Kamala Harris but he lowkey does need to

I think both need to debate as that may be the nail on the coffin on who is gonna win the election

[reef zenith]

Every politician should debate, multiple times, on multiple stations…

Like why do neither want to do it, compared to the UK where they debate on multiple different news networks

[wide pawn]

Yeah Trump is backing out of the original agreement it seems

[dapper sail]

Kennedy wouldn't back out

(he also is nowhere close to the numbers Trump and Kamala have)

But Kennedy is the goat; he seems like the only one that actually has ideas on how to fix our systems. Trump is more on the lines of "trust me bro" and I'm sure Kamala is the same way (Biden was the same way)

He's not exactly the most agreeable all the time and can be very wack at times but I kind of agree with him more on his policies since I'm very independent

[wintry remnant]

Isn't he like...a staunch antivaxxer? Not even the New Wave COVID brand antivax but the really old "Vaccines cause autism" kind of antivax.

In [Kennedy's own] book, Kennedy accuses Fauci of pulling off "a historic coup d’état against Western democracy" and promotes unproven COVID-19 treatments, including hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin. The author shares his opinion that COVID-19 vaccines are not sufficiently safety tested, and likens vaccine mandates in the United States to living under the rule of Nazi Germany.

Yeah, that's a...hard pass from me, bud.

Should I even bother to see what his stances are on trans people

[dapper sail]

What are his stances on trans people?

and yeah I will admit, he's a bit crazy with the vaccine conspiracy theories but it wouldn't kill us to have a little more transparency when it comes to vaccines considering people have died from the vaccine

I'm not anti-vaxx or anything like that and I encourage people to get vaccinated which is probably one of this biggest things I disagree with about RFK Jr on, I just can't stand the two party system

Realistically, there's things I disagree with on everyone running for president. I just feel more comfortable choosing Kennedy over the other two

[dapper sail]

His stances on trans people however, I don't really know since I've never heard anything about his stance on trans people

It's not like Kennedy is gonna win anyway, I just hope that he gains enough votes for people to recognize that we don't have to follow under a two party system. We can change that

[weary coral]

He’s also anti-abortion

The more votes he gets, the worse it is for the Dems

[wintry remnant]

Does he get votes from the Dems? Considering his stances, he sounds more GOP

Oh man

What a coincidence that the newest John Oliver episode has an extended section on RFK and...oof.

[weary coral]

He broke off from the Dems if I remember correctly

[wintry remnant]

Yeah cause he's crazy, apparently.

[flat owl]

Polls are saying he’s getting Trump votes but who knows

[wintry remnant]

Good.

[flat owl]

I don’t always trust polls because they tend to massively underestimate Gen Z and basically the feel of the country post Roe

They said during midterms that Republicans were going to sweep and that didn’t happen at all

[vapid nova]

a third party vote is a vote for trump bestie

kennedy is NOT the goat lmaooo

[stoic lodge]

A vote for Kennedy is a vote for brain worms

[vapid nova]

literally in this case

[wintry remnant]

It depends on who Kennedy is siphoning votes from

[flat owl]

Some bots are pushing for the left to vote for Kennedy

[wintry remnant]

I see

[flat owl]

I’ve seen that especially on TikTok

[vapid nova]

its usually leftist votes he is getting not trumpers that i've seen

[flat owl]

Polls say otherwise, but bots are trying to portray a diff picture

[vapid nova]

according to what im reading its female independents

and ive seen like anecdotally in this server for instance anti trump people want rfk jr

[marsh panther]

you know it's election time when you see bots trying to do a little voter suppression

[weary coral]

They also underestimate the other way around

[glad estuary]

why are the candidates so memeable

[stoic lodge]

Trump sucks!

[flat coral]

wtf is going on with the economy rn

everyone is talking about a recession 😭

[dapper sail]

No, a 3rd party vote is a vote for the 3rd party 😭

I hate Trump lmao

[glad estuary]

ask fed

and warren buffet

[marsh panther]

what they mean is a 3rd party vote in this election is basically the same as not voting at all

america isn't like say the UK we don't got tiered voting or however it works over there

voting 3rd party is basically like throwing your vote in the paper shredder

[stoic lodge]

It's a 2 party country despite what everyone else says

[glad estuary]

same as us

[marsh panther]

which in turn is basically like a vote for trump

[stoic lodge]

3rd party/independent will never win

[marsh panther]

and the system will never change

which is why people saying to vote 3rd party when democracy is the most it's ever been on the line this election is fucking insane to me

LIKE IT'S FUCKING RFK JR HE'S HORRIBLE

[glad estuary]

it's labour/conservative and a lot of small parties which get a ton of popular vote but no seats (shoutout to reform which had 14,3% but only 5 seats and 12% libdem has 72)

[dapper sail]

What I'm hoping to get out of the election is that people can see that we don't have to vote for simply Democrat and republican

Thats how we get stuck in this neverending loop of the two party system

[marsh panther]

but we kinda have to......lmao

[dapper sail]

Cause we don't have the guts to vote anything else

[vapid nova]

and this is not the election to test that shit

[marsh panther]

exactly

[dapper sail]

We don't have to, you just choose to

[vapid nova]

your one third party vote will not matter im sorry to tell you

[dapper sail]

Its democracy

Take full advantage of it

[vapid nova]

be realistic

[marsh panther]

https://tenor.com/view/ralphwiggum-gobanana-simpsons-gif-5269684

[vapid nova]

Third parties were key to Trump’s victory in three Blue Wall states in 2016. Third parties captured less than 5% of the vote but gave Trump wins in Michigan and Wisconsin with 48% of the vote and in Pennsylvania with 49%. Remarkably, Trump’s vote totals and even his share of the vote rose from 2016 to 2020 in all three states. But Biden won them because his share (relative to Clinton’s) rose more without third parties on the ballot.

[dapper sail]

Third parties in 2020 is how Trump lost

[vapid nova]

Donald Trump could have won five battlegrounds and the White House in 2020 with third parties on the ballot. Biden won 2016 third-party voters by a 30-point margin, and they were decisive in flipping five battleground states blue. Without third-party voters breaking for Biden, Trump likely would have won Arizona, Georgia, Wisconsin, and the presidency.

they weren't on the ballot

[dapper sail]

People voting Jo Jorgensen is how Trump lost

[vapid nova]

i just want you to know if you think rfk jr is a good presidential candidate literally why? is it because he's a kennedy

[dapper sail]

Republicans were crying about how libertarians were the reason they lost in 2020

[glad estuary]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2j3353vvdvo this happened btw

[dapper sail]

He's someone who's competent that actually talks about the problems the American people face and how he will fix it instead of acting like a big baby

[vapid nova]

So you think Kamala Harris is incompetent ?

[marsh panther]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-shock-gasp-omg-open-mouth-gif-6026042042422959802

[dapper sail]

Yeah I heard about it, its messed up but if you compare it to Trump and Kamala, they've done worse

[marsh panther]

bro

huh?

[glad estuary]

bro

[vapid nova]

bro

[dapper sail]

Yes, a DA prosecutor that prosecuted people who smoked weed despite admitting she smoked it herself is wack af. Tulsi Gabbard called her out in the 2020 primaries

[vapid nova]

45 people you really believe fucking tulsi gabbard

[dapper sail]

I dont even see why it bothers you guys anyway, its democracy let me be

I hate Trump just as much as you all do

Kamala Harris is just questionable right now

[vapid nova]

Because you're spreading lies and misinformation

[stoic lodge]

It's deranged behavior

[marsh panther]

cause you're comparing stuff kamala did in the past vs trump who has a list so so long it's probs enough to fill an entire novel

[vapid nova]

and its not even accurate

[marsh panther]

along with the fact that trump has literally said on record he basically wants to end democracy

so to try and say "oh they're both equal levels of bad"

is just absurd to say 😭

[dapper sail]

Again, I'm not voting for Trump, I dont like Trump 😭

[vapid nova]

but that doesn't matter

if you are genuinely spreading misinfo

i don't care and you're actively voting against the best option

the most realistic option i should say

i want to posit that its not your reproductive rights that would be taken away

[stoic lodge]

Annoys me so much when they say it doesn't matter who wins it won't affect them like broooooooo

[vapid nova]

the stakes are not nearly as high for you as they are for every american woman

or uterus owner in general

Harris has launched criminal justice reform programs, such as her 2005 reentry initiative called "Back on Track," aimed at reducing repeat offenses among low-level drug-trafficking defendants.

Harris has been accused of imprisoning an estimated 1,500 people for marijuana-related offenses while she was attorney general, for which she was dubbed "Kamala the Cop."

While she oversaw about 1,956 misdemeanor and felony convictions for "marijuana possession, cultivation, or sale," per Reuters, most of the people convicted during that time did not serve jail time, defense attorneys and prosecutors in Harris' office told Mercury News.
Harris later came out in support of the decriminalization — and eventually legalization — of marijuana for recreational use, cosponsoring the Marijuana Justice Act.
She said in 2022 that, "Nobody should have to go to jail for smoking weed."

[glad estuary]

i still can't believe how are abortion rights still a question in us

like every other western democracy is even making the abortion week limit higher

[vapid nova]

also your belief in fucking tulsi gabbard literally smash any credibility you have

[dapper sail]

Tulsi based though, also I'll come back to this conversation, I have an eye doctor

Appointment

[vapid nova]

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-kamalaharris-five-claims/fact-check-misleading-meme-featuring-five-claims-about-kamala-harris-idUSKBN25H2F2/

you are so cringe beyond cringe you are like why we need better education

[dapper sail]

My bad

[vapid nova]

she literally loves trump how is she based

[dapper sail]

she was a democrat, usually my favorite democrats end up leaving the party

Even Andrew Yang

[vapid nova]

they leave for money

and power

[dapper sail]

Now moving to republican is not so based

[vapid nova]

is being antiabortion based to you?

[glad estuary]

republicans are based but freedom caucus and trump are ruining them, change my mind

[stoic lodge]

Please vote Harris

And tell your friends too

[vapid nova]

abortion is based sorry not sorry

[wintry remnant]

Remember, Trump had to pick a new VP because he literally was completely fine with his first one being killed by his own fanbase.

[marsh panther]

and then he chose a dude with absolutely no charisma for this run

to the point where he doesn't want him really as VP but it's too late to swap him out LMAO

[dapper sail]

You act like I'm voting for Trump 😭

[stoic lodge]

Vote harris

[vapid nova]

you never answered my question

[dapper sail]

Look, I'll look more into Kamala Harris and I'll get back to you swifties

[vapid nova]

we just told you and provided proof tulsi was wrong

[dapper sail]

Hit or miss, I dont agree with roe v wade overturn but using abortion as birth control is not based

[vapid nova]

RIGHT HERE

[wintry remnant]

The only modicum of respect I have for Mike Pence comes from the fact he's become quite Anti-Trump as of late and I'm here for it.

[dapper sail]

Yeah Mike did the right thing back then

[stoic lodge]

Aw that's BS screw that greasy ahole

No sympathy from me he's a coward had every opportunity to do right and chose trump instead

He got eat up and spit out by own party let him rot

[wintry remnant]

GOP moment

[stoic lodge]

Modicum of respect is too much

[dapper sail]

I'll look at that in a bit, my eye doctor appointment starts soon and then I'll get back to you

[wintry remnant]

Also, using abortion as birth control is like comparing using car crashes as a way to get a new car

[dapper sail]

I'll admit I'm sounding a bit uneducated right now but I'm extremely biased right now and assume Kamala = Biden

[vapid nova]

not in the slightest

biden is old school democrats

[wintry remnant]

That being said

100% would still also take a carbon copy of Biden

[stoic lodge]

They are similar in that they are both normies

[wintry remnant]

A house plant would also suffice

[stoic lodge]

Remember when politics were boring

Miss those days

[vapid nova]

bidens main problem was being old

[vapid nova]

they never were tbh

bush and the shoe

[stoic lodge]

It wasn't the circus like it is today

[vapid nova]

also just al gore should have probably won

[stoic lodge]

There were moments

[wintry remnant]

Obama and the tan suit was peak Fox News reaching

[stoic lodge]

But it seems like there is just craziness in politics all throughout

[vapid nova]

i remember the rumor of george taking all the w's off the keyboards at the white house

[stoic lodge]

NSFW tag that

[pine quest]

bro read the comments section of an rfk post and believed hes a good president 😭

[vapid nova]

literally

[stoic lodge]

He got the brain worms too 💀

[vapid nova]

i miss joe biden loves ice cream tumblr posts back in 2014

[glad estuary]

rfk is just a walking meme

[pine quest]

all his comments are literally "this guy actually cares about the country!!" they have to be bots

[wintry remnant]

RFK wrote a whole book on antivax and had a literal brain worm. I find it incredibly sad that that dude has like 6%

[vapid nova]

honestly i miss the 2014 election cycle

[glad estuary]

brain worms, bear incident, antivax, his family, drug possesion

[vapid nova]

that was the last peaceful time in my life politics wise

[stoic lodge]

Remember the first trump debates

[vapid nova]

unfortunately i do as well

and i laughed so hard at the time

[wintry remnant]

And then he won

[stoic lodge]

And he said build a wall and have Mexico pay for jt

[vapid nova]

we all watched like it was snl

[stoic lodge]

It was like wtf is this and he was attacking everyone

They had the pizza guy I forget his name

[wintry remnant]

And yall backslid civil rights by a couple generations because of it

[stoic lodge]

Cain?

And Rubio drinking water I think

[vapid nova]

i ended up in NYC right after he got elected

[pine quest]

isn't rfk literally NOT endorsed by his own family? 😭

[glad estuary]

vivek ramaswamy should go for 2028 reelection just for the meme

[vapid nova]

some highlights being

[glad estuary]

kennedys support dems

[wintry remnant]

Yeah, the Kennedys dont like RFK

[stoic lodge]

Also trump tells it how it us unless it something horrible then everyone claims that's not what he means

[stoic lodge]

Meanwhile trump triples down on it lol

[stoic lodge]

Trump baby balloon

[stoic lodge]

Trump family don't like Trump either

[wintry remnant]

Speaking of RFK, i swear the dude should not be speaking so much. I fear for that man's throat if it's meant to do work for more than 20 seconds at a time

[stoic lodge]

Like why wouldn't you want a family member to be president that would be sweet

[wintry remnant]

Isnt like half of the Trump family speaking at his rallies

[pine quest]

his nephew dissed him i think lol

[vapid nova]

the picture of me crying when trump won in 2016

[wide pawn]

Kennedy wanted to negotiate a cabinet position in exchange with endorsing Trump so f him

[wide pawn]

Trump's team actually said no because it's illegal

[wintry remnant]

Cabinet positions are literally at the behest of the President confirmed by Congress, what's illegal about that

[wide pawn]

Well, it's a quid pro quo

[wintry remnant]

Pretty sure that's not how it works

[wide pawn]

I mean you can argue it's not illegal in court and that would vary by judge but it's definitely a quid pro quo

But yes congress does have to confirm

[wintry remnant]

I don't think it's illegal. Besides, I don't expect the Trump team to know what is and isn't a quid pro quo given the impeachment.

[glad estuary]

btw when is the kamala vp decision time?

today evening?

[wintry remnant]

Worst case, it's at the DNC

[glad estuary]

which is at 19th right?

[wintry remnant]

Yeah

But there's some speculation she'll make an announcement later today

[glad estuary]

it's supposed to be today

[stoic lodge]

Today or tomorrow

Kamala will have Latino, black, and single voters

Trump will have weird racist voters

Trump wins

[glad estuary]

it will be urban/rural

with the worldwide trend of liberal cities, conservative villages i don't think it will change

[wintry remnant]

People don't win you US elections

Swing states do

[stoic lodge]

Maybe COVID did a number on trump voters

Taylor needs to endorse Harris in October

Or near registration deadline

[coarse rapids]

IJBOL

[weary coral]

Shoutout to reform…??

[stoic lodge]

What is this lmao 💀

[marsh panther]

bro im legit laughing my ass off trump is on adin ross' stream in a fucking cybertruck what the fuck timeline are we in 😭

[coarse rapids]

Taylor swift (Kamala Harris Version )

Track 1. OUR IJBOL

[stoic lodge]

Trump broke af he gotta get sponsor money

[coarse rapids]

In his wildest dreams

[glad estuary]

oh my god i forgot that this is happening

[marsh panther]

just ended

[stoic lodge]

Maybe trump turning move of his voting base off lol

[glad estuary]

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/kamala-harris-announce-vice-president-pick-before-battleground-states-tour-2024-08-05/ actually wishing for shapiro

[dapper sail]

I just read the part I claimed (I didn't care about the other 4 things cause it wasn't a part of my claim) and it states "no evidence" but it states Kamala Harris back then was very tough on crime so I was wrong about my original claim

The Reuters article was kind of confusing cause it stated that Kamala Harris is the first African-american and first asian-american to get her ticket punched for office and then stated that she was part Indian-American

But then again, India is a part of Asia

[stoic lodge]

India is in Asia

[dapper sail]

But I dont see why they had to put asian-american in there. They could've just said Indian-american in the beginning

But thats just a nit-pick of mine with the article and doesn't have to do with the credibility

So Trump supporters use it against her without any evidence except for she was "tough on crime"

Guess I was wrong, ill look more into Kamala Harris and see if its worth voting her over Kennedy

[stoic lodge]

💀

Look more into? Just read like 1 or 2 articles on RFK and find out he is not fit

"Yeah, that's my guy!" Like what?

[dapper sail]

RFK is a fit man

Literally, he can do pull-ups

[stoic lodge]

Meant to say not fit

[vapid nova]

they meant fit for president

[stoic lodge]

Who cares if they can do pull ups

[vapid nova]

not fit like athletic

[stoic lodge]

MGT does pull ups

Or chin ups rather

She's insane too

Me personally I'm not voting for anyone who can't bench at least 200lbs

Because that's what it takes to run a country

[dapper sail]

I was assuming you meant fit for president; I will admit I don't like his conspiracy theories and other stuff like that so I may back out from voting RFK Jr. He just seemed more transparent on what he wants to fix compared to Trump and Biden (its no longer Biden so its Kamala)

[vapid nova]

kamala is pretty transparent tbh i understand feeling like he was more coherent but he wasn't the better option

her speeches have left me very impressed

[dapper sail]

Trump was just "trust me bro" and Biden was like "he's a felon trust me bro"

[stoic lodge]

Wtf more transparent than trump? That's trumps how Schick he tells it like it is

Tells you whatever it takes to get your vote

[vapid nova]

kamala is like "i know what to do"

[stoic lodge]

Even though he lies and has no idea how things work

[vapid nova]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPQpRRPT5BU

I love her campaign slogan too

[dapper sail]

I know Kamala wasn't the most well-spoken person in 2020, I hope in 2024 she is more well-spoken

[vapid nova]

"we're not going back" is great

just listen to this she is very well spoken

[dapper sail]

I'll watch it real quick

[dapper sail]

Thats every politician to be fair, we just have to trust them unfortunately

[vapid nova]

and as someone commented "She already sounds more confident than she did in 2020."

on this video in particular

[stoic lodge]

Trump can't even run successful business

[vapid nova]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngBJS5W7--o shorter version

[dapper sail]

3 minutes into the first video she's yapping up a storm, ill keep watching and see if it gets more interesting

[vapid nova]

thats why i suggest the second link

its better

[vapid nova]

second video i sent is better because the start after all the thank yous

"building up the middle class will be a defining goal of my presidency" AMEN KAMALA

[dapper sail]

Yeah the 1st video seems more like Kamala hyping up the crowd instead of her talking about her policies and how she will implement them

[vapid nova]

the second is better

[dapper sail]

I'll take a listen to the 2nd one in a bit, I gotta get ready for work