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surreal mulch Sep 17, 2023, 1:50 PM

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NO

teal ocean Sep 17, 2023, 1:50 PM

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Lol he got into russels head, what a dick move

surreal mulch Sep 17, 2023, 1:50 PM

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but ferrari won

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HEHSBSB

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YIS

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YUSS

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 1:50 PM

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sainz ftw

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woo

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hamilton playing mind games

teal ocean Sep 17, 2023, 1:51 PM

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Very very nice

echo mesa Sep 17, 2023, 1:51 PM

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Crikey!

river gate Sep 17, 2023, 1:51 PM

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He should’ve let Lewis through if he was gonna suck there at the end

teal ocean Sep 17, 2023, 1:51 PM

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Lego horsies

wicked brook Sep 17, 2023, 1:51 PM

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The sigh

surreal mulch Sep 17, 2023, 1:51 PM

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SMOOOOOTH OPERATOR

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I KNEW IT

wicked brook Sep 17, 2023, 1:51 PM

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I feel bad for russell

river steeple Sep 17, 2023, 1:51 PM

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Jesus

surreal mulch Sep 17, 2023, 1:51 PM

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SMOOOOOTHHH OPERATORRRR

river steeple Sep 17, 2023, 1:52 PM

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Best race this season by far

wicked brook Sep 17, 2023, 1:52 PM

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😭

surreal mulch Sep 17, 2023, 1:52 PM

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ngl without leclerc i doubt he would win 100%

echo mesa Sep 17, 2023, 1:52 PM

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I am

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exhausted

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 1:53 PM

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Russell fucking devastated

river gate Sep 17, 2023, 1:53 PM

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Russell’s brakes on fire

surreal mulch Sep 17, 2023, 1:54 PM

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i feel so bad for russell

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 1:54 PM

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When was the last time someone DNFed on the last lap

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Podium for Hamilton but it really sucks it had to be this way

surreal mulch Sep 17, 2023, 1:54 PM

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russell deserved it

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BRUH FERRARI WON

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 1:54 PM

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Not to mention Merc lost an opportunity for a bunch of points

river gate Sep 17, 2023, 1:54 PM

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Russell should’ve sucked less

surreal mulch Sep 17, 2023, 1:54 PM

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I GOTTA CELEBRATE

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GOODBYE

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VAMOSSSSS

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 1:54 PM

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NO MAX PODCAST EPISODE

echo mesa Sep 17, 2023, 1:54 PM

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VAMOSSS

teal ocean Sep 17, 2023, 1:54 PM

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Win at slowest possible speed Kollo

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 1:55 PM

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P1 FOR THE SCUDERIA BAYBEEEEE

echo mesa Sep 17, 2023, 1:55 PM

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I am just here

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for the carlos lando hug

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 1:55 PM

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Max led 0% of laps that race. He's washed

robust heron Sep 17, 2023, 1:55 PM

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https://twitter.com/ScuderiaFerrari/status/1703405202861089006 :)

Scuderia Ferrari (@ScuderiaFerrari)

Good job Lando :)

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echo mesa Sep 17, 2023, 1:56 PM

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peepoHappyHug

tawny spruce Sep 17, 2023, 1:56 PM

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this reis was gud

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russell in the wall is a W

teal ocean Sep 17, 2023, 1:56 PM

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🐴 🐴🐴

robust heron Sep 17, 2023, 1:56 PM

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essere ferrerere tayhandheart

warped prawn Sep 17, 2023, 1:57 PM

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You were saying something?

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awkwardkid

river gate Sep 17, 2023, 1:57 PM

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giggling

surreal mulch Sep 17, 2023, 1:57 PM

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lets hope redbull stays like this for the rest of the year🥰🥰

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BRUH SPANISH ANTHEM

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OMG

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 1:58 PM

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For the first time

river steeple Sep 17, 2023, 2:00 PM

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tawny spruce Sep 17, 2023, 2:00 PM

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surreal mulch lets hope redbull stays like this for the rest of the year🥰🥰

they wont, its just the track

kind hinge Sep 17, 2023, 2:01 PM

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warped prawn You were saying something?

fuck off

surreal mulch Sep 17, 2023, 2:01 PM

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tawny spruce they wont, its just the track

i know but im delulu

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Being delulu is the solulu

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lets gooo

warped prawn Sep 17, 2023, 2:01 PM

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kind hinge fuck off

giggle

surreal mulch Sep 17, 2023, 2:01 PM

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Hamilton shut up

teal ocean Sep 17, 2023, 2:01 PM

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Preach

warped prawn Sep 17, 2023, 2:02 PM

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It’s not Hamilton’s fault he could see the wall unlike Russell smh

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 2:02 PM

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God please let Red Bull be like this the rest of the season

surreal mulch Sep 17, 2023, 2:02 PM

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russell why are u following lando

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 2:02 PM

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NO MAX PODCAST

surreal mulch Sep 17, 2023, 2:03 PM

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Lets be delulu together

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BUT LAWSON

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Was brilliant ngl

robust heron Sep 17, 2023, 2:03 PM

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my first ferreri win i have watched

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:D

tawny acorn Sep 17, 2023, 2:04 PM

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kek

river steeple Sep 17, 2023, 2:04 PM

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Kmag even got ooints

surreal mulch Sep 17, 2023, 2:04 PM

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Omg how do u feel

tawny acorn Sep 17, 2023, 2:04 PM

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What was that ending

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 2:04 PM

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A wild one

tawny acorn Sep 17, 2023, 2:04 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/george-russell-crying-gif-22546072

Tenor

warped prawn Sep 17, 2023, 2:04 PM

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This week on the podcast, all guests no host.

tawny acorn Sep 17, 2023, 2:04 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/george-russell-formula1-gif-19461225

Tenor

surreal mulch Sep 17, 2023, 2:04 PM

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I feel a dts mercedes episode of this race coming up

tawny acorn Sep 17, 2023, 2:04 PM

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kek

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Rb episode would be fun

surreal mulch Sep 17, 2023, 2:05 PM

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BUT LIKE GEORGE HITTING THE WALL

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SLOWMO

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AND THEN SILENCE

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Cut to the driver swearing

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Thats every crash in dts

tawny acorn Sep 17, 2023, 2:05 PM

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Netflix would somehow made it like that that it looks that rb had a terrible season

surreal mulch Sep 17, 2023, 2:05 PM

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YES

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THEY ALWAYS TWIST THINGS

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omg imma go listen to the spanish anthem

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NO MAXPLAINING

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so weird

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 2:06 PM

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For the first time this year, we won't hear the Austrian anthem

surreal mulch Sep 17, 2023, 2:06 PM

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so happy

echo mesa Sep 17, 2023, 2:06 PM

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warped prawn You were saying something?

PepeLaugh

warped prawn Sep 17, 2023, 2:06 PM

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Italian anthem time soon

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 2:06 PM

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For the first time in 10 GPs, we won't hear the Dutch anthem

warped prawn Sep 17, 2023, 2:06 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/2018-vettel-belgium-podium-italian-gif-25169519

Tenor

echo mesa Sep 17, 2023, 2:07 PM

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Carlos nailing those lyrics for the anthem

kind hinge Sep 17, 2023, 2:07 PM

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goodbye formula 1, was nice while it lasted

river steeple Sep 17, 2023, 2:07 PM

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Spanish anthem >>>> dutch

warped prawn Sep 17, 2023, 2:07 PM

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Italian best out of all

echo mesa Sep 17, 2023, 2:08 PM

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river steeple Spanish anthem >>>> dutch

yup

warped prawn Sep 17, 2023, 2:08 PM

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Look at Ferrari mechanics out there with Italian flags lol

surreal mulch Sep 17, 2023, 2:08 PM

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ITALIAN ANTHEM IS SO MUCH BETTER

kind hinge Sep 17, 2023, 2:08 PM

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george will have his revenge…

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just wait you italian motherfuckers

warped prawn Sep 17, 2023, 2:08 PM

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With the wall? Sure

surreal mulch Sep 17, 2023, 2:09 PM

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Omg carlando podium

echo mesa Sep 17, 2023, 2:09 PM

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kind hinge george will have his revenge…

Pointless

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one day

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but not today

kind hinge Sep 17, 2023, 2:09 PM

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yeah next week

surreal mulch Sep 17, 2023, 2:09 PM

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Idk what is his problem with that wall

kind hinge Sep 17, 2023, 2:09 PM

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see you there

surreal mulch Sep 17, 2023, 2:09 PM

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YUSS LANDO

tawny acorn Sep 17, 2023, 2:09 PM

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kind hinge george will have his revenge…

Ye he’ll hit the wall, oh wait

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 2:09 PM

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Why do they sometimes give medals and a trophy

tawny acorn Sep 17, 2023, 2:09 PM

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Do they have medals now?

surreal mulch Sep 17, 2023, 2:09 PM

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Cant wait for piastris car to get the updates

tawny acorn Sep 17, 2023, 2:10 PM

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DIFF ANTHEM?!?!

warped prawn Sep 17, 2023, 2:10 PM

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Medals have been a thing for winners since Abu Dhabi 2022.

surreal mulch Sep 17, 2023, 2:11 PM

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i want to hear leclerc

tawny acorn Sep 17, 2023, 2:11 PM

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Fred looks so happeh omg

warped prawn Sep 17, 2023, 2:11 PM

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Of course he does. It’s his first win as team principal.

surreal mulch Sep 17, 2023, 2:12 PM

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i just wanna hear his "it's a shame, but yeah i'll push in the next race, congrats to carlos and yeah..hopefully i'll get more points next time"

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 2:12 PM

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Charles died for this

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It was worth it

surreal mulch Sep 17, 2023, 2:12 PM

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yes

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Charles did so much today

kind hinge Sep 17, 2023, 2:13 PM

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what a nice day, huh?what do you mean singapore gp? that never happened

tawny spruce Sep 17, 2023, 2:13 PM

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STROLL

surreal mulch Sep 17, 2023, 2:13 PM

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Im never forgetting this day

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SHOULD BE WRITTEN IN THE HISTORY BOOK

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smooooth operatorrrr

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 2:20 PM

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Liam getting points fucking crazy

warped prawn Sep 17, 2023, 2:21 PM

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@fallow thistle

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https://x.com/redbullracing/status/1703409870978884065?s=46&t=9HB8Qg5VPkrxIhFFUyhc-A

Oracle Red Bull Racing (@redbullracing)

The Cool-down Room podcast with Max will return at a later date 😅

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LMAO

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 2:21 PM

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On hiatus

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Coolin' with Carlos new podcast just dropped

echo mesa Sep 17, 2023, 2:25 PM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/formuladank/comments/16l1usq/can_you_spot_the_difference/

From the formuladank community on Reddit: Can you spot the difference?

Explore this post and more from the formuladank community

acoustic quartz Sep 17, 2023, 2:35 PM

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tawny spruce STROLL

why is his name like that

tawny spruce Sep 17, 2023, 2:37 PM

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acoustic quartz why is his name like that

STROLL

warped prawn Sep 17, 2023, 3:20 PM

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How many of you will sleep through the next race weekend? 😂

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 3:25 PM

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warped prawn How many of you will sleep through the next race weekend? 😂

japan race is gonna be 8 am for me

tawny acorn Sep 17, 2023, 3:28 PM

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warped prawn How many of you will sleep through the next race weekend? 😂

kek

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last year i was at the airport when the race was so i could just wathc it ther

river steeple Sep 17, 2023, 3:37 PM

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warped prawn How many of you will sleep through the next race weekend? 😂

still sunday no plans anywyas

warped prawn Sep 17, 2023, 3:38 PM

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Easier said than done

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I prefer early races. So I‘m happy

bronze sandal Sep 17, 2023, 6:06 PM

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warped prawn How many of you will sleep through the next race weekend? 😂

Kart I will be sleeping

west sleet Sep 17, 2023, 6:13 PM

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feels like i missed a good race

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mainly seeing max not win

kind hinge Sep 17, 2023, 6:14 PM

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west sleet feels like i missed a good race

depends on your definition of good

west sleet Sep 17, 2023, 6:14 PM

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well lewis came third

kind hinge Sep 17, 2023, 6:15 PM

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russell gave me so much depression that i forgot lewis actually had a great race 😭😭

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200 podiums soon ✅

west sleet Sep 17, 2023, 6:15 PM

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meh i don’t really like george too much but crashing out on the final lap on third is just devastating

kind hinge Sep 17, 2023, 6:17 PM

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dunno why people keep saying if george had let lewis through he would’ve won

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merc fans always try to blame george its crazy

tawny acorn Sep 17, 2023, 6:28 PM

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😍

warped prawn Sep 17, 2023, 6:52 PM

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bronze sandal Kart I will be sleeping

I think a lot of people will be sleeping. 😂

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I‘ll sleep through practice sessions 1 and 3 for sure.

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 6:53 PM

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warped prawn I‘ll sleep through practice sessions 1 and 3 for sure.

who is awake watching them anyway

warped prawn Sep 17, 2023, 6:53 PM

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I am.

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I watch all sessions.

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 6:54 PM

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thats quite the dedication

warped prawn Sep 17, 2023, 6:56 PM

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That’s what happens when one follows the sport for more than 15-16 years.

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 6:58 PM

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damn, i started watching around 2014

west sleet Sep 17, 2023, 7:06 PM

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kind hinge merc fans always try to blame george its crazy

it’s because george is so dislikeable

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but people like lewis

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 7:06 PM

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i used to think the opposite.

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i hated lewis because of his domination and loved george cause he was the underdog in a bad car

west sleet Sep 17, 2023, 7:07 PM

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george probably said the barrier turned into him today

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 7:07 PM

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west sleet george probably said the barrier turned into him today

it was pressure

west sleet Sep 17, 2023, 7:07 PM

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i think lewis just has a likeable personality

west sleet Sep 17, 2023, 7:07 PM

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regal panther it was pressure

it’s more he’s known for saying everyone turned into him 😂

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 7:08 PM

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the footage was crystal clear.

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he hit the wall and locked the wheels

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 7:08 PM

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west sleet i think lewis just has a likeable personality

fernando is very likeable this season

kind hinge Sep 17, 2023, 7:20 PM

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george definitely knows it was his own mistake

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everyone makes mistakes

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leclerc always does it yet he still gets praised all the time

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very overrated driver

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depending on how red bull performs at suzuka, george has his scope aimed at that race win

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 7:22 PM

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leclerc is a victim to bad luck

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and horrible strategists

bronze sandal Sep 17, 2023, 7:28 PM

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regal panther who is awake watching them anyway

A lot of Europeans

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 7:28 PM

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regal panther leclerc is a victim to bad luck

Just Ferrari being shit that's all

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 7:29 PM

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last flower Just Ferrari being shit that's all

they won a gp today you know

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 7:31 PM

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regal panther they won a gp today you know

I watched the race but let's not act like they're consistent, and people acting like sainz is better than leclerc are insane 😭

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 7:35 PM

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last flower I watched the race but let's not act like they're consistent, and people acting ...

in times of verstappen winning 10 races in a row. that win is insane

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 7:36 PM

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Real

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 7:38 PM

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last flower Real

alonso made me a bit sad

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 7:51 PM

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regal panther alonso made me a bit sad

Yeah also ocon and george, they had a great race taken away from them

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 7:52 PM

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waiting for alonso to win a gp. he was very close couple times

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 7:53 PM

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last flower Yeah also ocon and george, they had a great race taken away from them

george was very promising before he joined merc. dont know what happened

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 7:55 PM

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regal panther waiting for alonso to win a gp. he was very close couple times

One of the worst races for Aston Martin ngl, they're the most promising team too

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 7:56 PM

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last flower One of the worst races for Aston Martin ngl, they're the most promising team too

i dont know about lance tho.

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 7:56 PM

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regal panther george was very promising before he joined merc. dont know what happened

Yeah i don't know what happened, he had one of the best races when he raced for them before bottas left. We all thought he'd even replace lewis 💀

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 7:57 PM

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last flower Yeah i don't know what happened, he had one of the best races when he raced for ...

he was killer in the 2020 sakhir gp. until the team f'd it up

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 7:57 PM

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regal panther i dont know about lance tho.

Lance isn't going anywhere unfortunately unless there's some scandal going around like what happened with force india

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 7:57 PM

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last flower Yeah i don't know what happened, he had one of the best races when he raced for ...

i think merc focused on getting lewis winning again that they forgot about george

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 7:58 PM

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last flower Lance isn't going anywhere unfortunately unless there's some scandal going aroun...

the public outcry is gonna overtake one day

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 7:58 PM

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regal panther i think merc focused on getting lewis winning again that they forgot about georg...

I mean i know it's crazy to say but having a main driver and a 2nd driver is better than treating them equally

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Also the fact George is still new to merc, idk why they'd let him become the main driver

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 7:59 PM

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regal panther the public outcry is gonna overtake one day

Maybe

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 7:59 PM

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last flower I mean i know it's crazy to say but having a main driver and a 2nd driver is bet...

they thought lewis was locked in for the 2021 championship, and then george is gonna be fighting like lewis and nico. but verstappen changed everything

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 8:00 PM

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last flower Maybe

happened with haas

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 8:01 PM

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Except mazepin's dad was only an investor, i think stroll's dad owns the team but im not sure

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 8:02 PM

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last flower Except mazepin's dad was only an investor, i think stroll's dad owns the team bu...

mazepin's dad was the only thing keeping haas alive. just like lance's father

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 8:03 PM

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Haas almost went bankrupt at one point 😭😭😭

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 8:03 PM

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last flower Haas almost went bankrupt at one point 😭😭😭

ford, chevy or dodge should take over haas as the american entry in f1

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 8:03 PM

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Kinda crazy how they went from topping the midfield to the bottom of the standings

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 8:03 PM

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regal panther ford, chevy or dodge should take over haas as the american entry in f1

Ford for sure, idk about the rest

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 8:04 PM

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last flower Ford for sure, idk about the rest

chevy is deep in racing history

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 8:04 PM

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Im more excited about porsche tbh

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 8:04 PM

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last flower Im more excited about porsche tbh

audi coming to sweep everything

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 8:04 PM

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regal panther chevy is deep in racing history

Def but ford got a rich history too

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 8:05 PM

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regal panther audi coming to sweep everything

They need to add more teams tbh

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 8:06 PM

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last flower They need to add more teams tbh

20 cars is good, but the cars are too big for the tracks today

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 8:06 PM

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Yeah but imagine 24

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 8:06 PM

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last flower Yeah but imagine 24

first lap crashes

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everywhere

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 8:07 PM

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Most probably now i think about it 💀

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It would be cluttered

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 8:07 PM

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last flower It would be cluttered

monaco would be a demolition derby

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 8:07 PM

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I mean there are races with 60 cars in them

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 8:08 PM

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last flower I mean there are races with 60 cars in them

these cars are 1/3 the size of f1 cars

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 8:08 PM

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regal panther monaco would be a demolition derby

Monaco is already a mess 😭😭😭

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 8:09 PM

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regal panther these cars are 1/3 the size of f1 cars

Still there's a lot of cars there

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 8:09 PM

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More teams good

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 8:10 PM

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last flower Still there's a lot of cars there

yeah. but they are not going 4 wide in a 2 wide corner like f1. and the speeds are lower

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 8:10 PM

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My only concern with more teams is that the current timing tower I think is in its perfect state

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If we had 24 on the grid, the text would become too small or we wouldn't be able to see everyone all at once anymore

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 8:10 PM

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fallow thistle More teams good

unless the current teams start getting faster and not letting redbull run with it. the current grid is ok

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 8:11 PM

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fallow thistle More teams good

imagine 24 cars in monaco. undrivable

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 8:11 PM

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Imagine 24 cars in the other 23 tracks

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Bangers

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 8:12 PM

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fallow thistle Imagine 24 cars in the other 23 tracks

street circuts will be worse tho

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and first lap pileups will be frequent

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 8:13 PM

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They already are frequent

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 8:13 PM

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fallow thistle They already are frequent

multiply x2 with 24 cars

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 8:14 PM

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Idk man, sounds like the best drivers in the world should learn to maintain space

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 8:15 PM

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fallow thistle Idk man, sounds like the best drivers in the world should learn to maintain spac...

there is no space. the cars were wheel to wheel today. the cars are too big for the tracks

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make em smaller than think about adding more cars

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 8:15 PM

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fallow thistle Idk man, sounds like the best drivers in the world should learn to maintain spac...

It will also create more battles and increase competition

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 8:15 PM

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"My car is too big, i have to be wheel to wheel"

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 8:16 PM

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its true

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max and lewis in the 2021 british gp is proof that 2 cars cant take a turn together

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 8:21 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/lewis-hamilton-max-verstappen-formula-one-silverstone-british-gp-gif-22400521

Tenor

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 8:23 PM

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sorry for the mistake. i meant the italian gp

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 8:23 PM

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This one? This doesn't sell me at all. It looks like Max and Lewis just disagreed on who takes which line.

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 8:24 PM

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fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 8:26 PM

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Idk that Monza chicane is fucky also Lewis definitely didn't leave enough space

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 8:27 PM

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fallow thistle Idk that Monza chicane is fucky also Lewis definitely didn't leave enough space

max always goes for the turn knowing 50/50 that he is gonna crash

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he expects them to back off

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 8:28 PM

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Sounds more like a Max issue and less of a car big issue then.

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 8:28 PM

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fallow thistle Sounds more like a Max issue and less of a car big issue then.

they both know that the cars are too big to go together

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they choose to do it either way

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 8:29 PM

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Would be way funnier if more cars were on the grid just to fuck over Max 50/50s assuming he isn't 40s clear

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 8:29 PM

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fallow thistle Would be way funnier if more cars were on the grid just to fuck over Max 50/50s ...

more backmarkers is just what f1 needs

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didnt they turn penske down cause of that

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 8:30 PM

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At least we'll have more battles in the lower ranks cause it's so fucking boring at the top now

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 8:30 PM

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fallow thistle https://tenor.com/view/lewis-hamilton-max-verstappen-formula-one-silverstone-bri...

The fact there are 10 minute compilations of hamilton doing this sort of stuff 💀

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 8:31 PM

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battling for 10th place is not what the sport needs currently

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we want podium battles like today

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 8:32 PM

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Okay but like no one wants ballasts

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Sometimes, someone just gaps the rest

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I don't see why suddenly we gatekeep orgs that wanna try from the grid

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 8:33 PM

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fallow thistle I don't see why suddenly we gatekeep orgs that wanna try from the grid

haas and aston martin need to go in favor of people like ford and audi

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 8:34 PM

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If people want to leave, they can leave. If people want to join, they can join. If the latter results in a 24-car grid, I see no issue.

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 8:35 PM

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f1 orgs want competitive racing not people who fight in 10th place and under

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thats why they kept it to 20

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 8:35 PM

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I mean part of it is their fault. It's their fault the system doesn't reward anything below P10.

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Yuki would have had a way better season thus far if the points better reflected the performance of the bottom half.

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 8:36 PM

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fallow thistle I mean part of it is their fault. It's their fault the system doesn't reward any...

the system is good. if you finish below 10th you dont deserve points

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 8:36 PM

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Hard disagree. Points are a vehicle to measure the relative performance of teams from one another.

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 8:36 PM

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regal panther haas and aston martin need to go in favor of people like ford and audi

Keep aston martin and remove these b teams like alpha tauri

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 8:37 PM

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Having no distinction between P11 and P19 reflected in points is absurd.

tawny acorn Sep 17, 2023, 8:37 PM

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regal panther the system is good. if you finish below 10th you dont deserve points

if you want better racing you better award until like p15

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 8:37 PM

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fallow thistle Having no distinction between P11 and P19 reflected in points is absurd.

if they qualify 19th why should we reward them

tawny acorn Sep 17, 2023, 8:37 PM

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you'd get much more intense fights

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 8:38 PM

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Having a team get P11 and P12 every race versus a team that's consistently P19 and P20 both end up tied in Constructors is absurd.

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 8:38 PM

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we already have sprints and fastest laps to give points and they still cant get them

tawny acorn Sep 17, 2023, 8:38 PM

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but just because you dont 'deserve' them you shouldnt get them
basically what youre saying is that if you are a like p15 team on a reg basis you are just dogshit and have to benifit from others failing

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 8:39 PM

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fallow thistle Having a team get P11 and P12 every race versus a team that's consistently P19 a...

if 10th and under get points. a lot of bad drivers will seem better than they actually are like lance. thats just not the truth

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 8:39 PM

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Points are a vehicle to measure the relative performance of teams from one another.
Points are not real. They should be used as a tool to figure out if A is better than B. Lumping an entire staff that consistently outperforms another team but displaying them in a scoreboard as tied just because you decided a cutoff was at 10th is not it.

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 8:40 PM

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fallow thistle > Points are a vehicle to measure the relative performance of teams from one ano...

top 10 points are not a new thing, its just f1 have stopped teams from innovating and teams no longer fight for points

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 8:40 PM

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I don't care if someone gets 6 points because points are not real. It's how those points contribute to the relative standing.

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 8:40 PM

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that was not the case 10 years ago

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 8:40 PM

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Teams don't fight for points because half the grid by definition can't get any

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Like the top 10 spots go to 6 teams, the other 4 just have no chance so they're all in a bracket of 7-10th because as far as the point system is concerned, we don't care about their placement

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 8:41 PM

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fallow thistle Teams don't fight for points because half the grid by definition can't get any

if they cant qualify in the top 10 why do you want to reward them for that

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 8:41 PM

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You see points as a reward

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I don't

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I see it as a measuring stick

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 8:42 PM

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tawny acorn if you want better racing you better award until like p15

You mean decrease it to p5? Because there wont be any competition if 3/4 gets points

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 8:42 PM

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fallow thistle You see points as a reward

it is . its a reward for the driving and strategy of each team

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 8:42 PM

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If Alpine is shit all year and gets bottom two every time and AlphaTauri gets P11/P12 every time, as far as the FIA is concerned, they're both equally garbage.

tawny acorn Sep 17, 2023, 8:42 PM

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last flower You mean decrease it to p5? Because there wont be any competition if 3/4 gets po...

facepalm

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basically what would happen if you have points till p15

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 8:43 PM

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And in my mind, that's just not it

tawny acorn Sep 17, 2023, 8:43 PM

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is that people outside the top 10 where it wouldnt matter if you finish 11th or 19th bc same reward would fight more for their positions so it would technically improve racing

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 8:44 PM

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Like an onlooker just looks at the Constructors Points and it's only a good story for the Top 5 teams

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 8:44 PM

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fallow thistle And in my mind, that's just not it

bad planning by teams has screwed a lot of drivers out of points. its not the fia problem to give them points for their screw ups

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 8:44 PM

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But for the Bottom 5 teams it's just RNG

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My dude

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Again

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Points in my mind are not a reward

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It's a measuring stick for performance

tawny acorn Sep 17, 2023, 8:45 PM

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if you're kimi its a reward

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 8:45 PM

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And the fact F1 just doesn't care below P10 is just so absurd to me

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 8:45 PM

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fallow thistle It's a measuring stick for performance

its a reward that differences upon the driver's performance in a race

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 8:46 PM

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fallow thistle And the fact F1 just doesn't care below P10 is just so absurd to me

top 10 has become copy and paste in the last couple of years

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 8:46 PM

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If teams didn't have sponsorship obligations, I bet the backmarker teams would retire with 20 laps still to go from P13 down

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Maybe even earlier

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Cause really what's the risk-rewaed. You're getting literally nothing anyway. You're gonna sacrifice 5% of your Car's Durability for a 1-in-10000 chance you'll get a penultimate lap Red Flag?

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 8:47 PM

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thats racing. nothing is for granted

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and racing was never cheap and youre not always gonna win

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 8:48 PM

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The points stopping at P10 is bad game design.

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I will die on this hill.

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I won't stop using my example cause it illustrates what I feel best.

AlphaTauri can be P11/P12 the entire season. Alpine is P13/P14 the entire season. Alfa Romeo is P15/P16 all season. Williams is P17/P18 all season. Finally, Haas always bottoms out at P19/P20 all season. Some miracle happens and Nico finished P10 in Qatar or some shit.
The Constructors rankings put Haas as the 6th Constructor with 1 point.

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The fact it can be that way is bullshit.

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 8:52 PM

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they had 22 races to finish in the top 10. why didnt they

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 8:52 PM

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You miss the point

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AT gaps Haas the entire year but because who gives a shit about going below P10 they just don't get represented. Because of an arbitrary cutoff of observation of finishing position after 10.

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 8:53 PM

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can you write the points for p10 and under

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 8:54 PM

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50, 40, 35, 30, 26, 22, 18, 14, 12, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 0

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 8:55 PM

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first place 50 points meaning. that a 2-3 race slump could eliminate you from champ contention

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alonso wouldnt be close verstappen if the points were like that

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 8:56 PM

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last flower Sep 17, 2023, 8:56 PM

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Probably the worst thing to happen to f1 if they gave points to anyone below p10

tawny acorn Sep 17, 2023, 8:56 PM

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how 💀

tawny acorn Sep 17, 2023, 8:56 PM

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regal panther alonso wouldnt be close verstappen if the points were like that

not like he's close anyways lmao

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 8:56 PM

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fallow thistle

if this makes me wrong. i dont wanna be right

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 8:56 PM

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tawny acorn how 💀

Points awarded to drivers who haven't performed well will decrease competition

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 8:57 PM

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tawny acorn not like he's close anyways lmao

he's close

tender bluff Sep 17, 2023, 8:57 PM

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Hi

tawny acorn Sep 17, 2023, 8:57 PM

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what you dont understand i think is that points will get less value if you can earn more of them in a weekend 💀

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 8:57 PM

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consistant p2-3 for alonso is beyond his wildest dreams

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 8:57 PM

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There's a severe disconnect between me and other F1 fans

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I don't care about points as a concept

tender bluff Sep 17, 2023, 8:58 PM

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How

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 8:58 PM

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I care about them relative to how many points other people have

tender bluff Sep 17, 2023, 8:58 PM

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HOW

tawny acorn Sep 17, 2023, 8:58 PM

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regal panther he's close

194 points is so close omg

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 8:58 PM

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Which is what I thought people cared about

kind hinge Sep 17, 2023, 8:58 PM

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fallow thistle 50, 40, 35, 30, 26, 22, 18, 14, 12, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 0

completely defeats the point of the point system

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they dont just hand points out to everyone

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you have to earn them

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 8:58 PM

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fallow thistle I care about them relative to how many points other people have

that means that 1 dnf is gonna eliminate you from the champ

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 8:58 PM

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tawny acorn what you dont understand i think is that points will get less value if you can e...

Why would you decrease the value of points? This is like a country devaluing their currency 💀

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 8:58 PM

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less points make it better to close the gap

tender bluff Sep 17, 2023, 8:59 PM

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Liam has more points than Logan, Nyck and Daniel😭😭😭. So maybe @fallow thistle Has a point

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 8:59 PM

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Just answer me this

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Would you rather finish P11 or P19?

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 8:59 PM

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fallow thistle Would you rather finish P11 or P19?

p11

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 8:59 PM

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Because the current rules say they're the same picture.

tawny acorn Sep 17, 2023, 8:59 PM

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fallow thistle Would you rather finish P11 or P19?

what would it matter tbh

kind hinge Sep 17, 2023, 8:59 PM

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obviously because its a higher position 😭😭😭

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❓❓❓

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 9:00 PM

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it looks better to the team not that it offers points

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 9:00 PM

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So why don't we like y'know...codify it? Reward doing better?

tawny acorn Sep 17, 2023, 9:00 PM

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kind hinge obviously because its a higher position 😭😭😭

apparently if you finish p11 or lower you're shit kek

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 9:00 PM

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fallow thistle Would you rather finish P11 or P19?

This is really different though, because being at p11 meant you were fighting for p10 which earns you a point

tawny acorn Sep 17, 2023, 9:00 PM

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'finish'

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 9:00 PM

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p11 means youre fighting for points. p19 means youre dead

tawny acorn Sep 17, 2023, 9:00 PM

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in fact you basically fought hard for point but got nothing in the end 💀

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 9:01 PM

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if i reward you for 11th youre gonna settle for it

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not fight for 10th

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 9:01 PM

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Exactly

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 9:01 PM

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I'm so confused by that train of logic

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 9:01 PM

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if we reward p10 under. they are gonna play it safe knowing they are getting points anyway

tawny acorn Sep 17, 2023, 9:01 PM

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regal panther if i reward you for 11th youre gonna settle for it

you're gonna fight bc you want more

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 9:02 PM

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Guys...

tawny acorn Sep 17, 2023, 9:02 PM

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facepalm

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 9:02 PM

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What if I told you the points don't matter but what matters is you get more points

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You wanna know why people fight for P10 it's cause 1 point is more than 0

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Why people fight for P6 instead of settle for P7? It's cause P6 earns 2 more points or whatever it is.

kind hinge Sep 17, 2023, 9:02 PM

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me when math 😱😱😱

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 9:03 PM

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But why give a fuck about fighting for P17 when you're P18 when it's the same shit different night

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That's what I don't get about "deserve points"

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Because to me

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What matters isn't the points themselves. It's how much you're getting over other teams

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So if you're consistently the 6th best and doing P11 and P12, I don't think it's fair you should be tied in Constructors with a team consistently P19 and P20

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Is that really such a crazy perspective for me to have?

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Teams never settle

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Someone in P10 still fights for P9 if they can make it because that's one whole extra point denying from another team

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It's a two point swing

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 9:07 PM

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This makes no sense at all. A lot of drivers get penalized and start at the back of the grid and still fight for points. So it's not entirely impossible. I do think that the current system is perfect because teams will try their best to improve their cars to earn those points. If you devalue the points, a driver in p18 would want to end up in p17 instead of p10.

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 9:07 PM

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Points are a joint measurement of who's the better driver and constructor. The fact you just close your eyes after half have crossed the line is absolutely crazy to me.

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 9:07 PM

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Why would anyone care about the battles at the back of the grid instead of the front/mid of the grid 😭😭😭

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 9:08 PM

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not everybody needs to get points.

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to make them feel better about being 18th

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 9:09 PM

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I really wish I was clever enough to make the argument that all the current arguments against expanding points can be extended or contracted to any arbitrary point cutoff.

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Like why not just stop giving out points after the podium

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Or after P5

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Because all the logic carries over

regal panther Sep 17, 2023, 9:10 PM

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fallow thistle Or after P5

we can do that if we have a 10 car grid

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 9:10 PM

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Why care about the midfield? It's exciting at the front

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And so on and so forth

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 9:11 PM

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fallow thistle Or after P5

Because only 3 teams will earn points and the rest will end up in 0. We won't know the difference between the mid and the bad teams

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 9:11 PM

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We give P10 points. A driver in P10 would want to end up in P9 instead of P3 and such and such to that effect

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 9:11 PM

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McLaren would be the same as haas if only p1-p5 earn points

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 9:11 PM

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Why do we care about the differences of some of teams and not just all of the teams then?

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Is it just me that wants to know if AT are actually gapping Alfa Romeo?

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Like why do we only allow such a narrative to only apply to the midfield and up?

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But not extend that to the whole grid?

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Why not more accurately place the grid in terms of their actual performance over the year?

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Please see where I'm coming at

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The midfield exists in part because of where the points cut off.

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Right now Mercs are 2nd in Constructors because the point system currently reflects that over the season so far, they are doing best behind Red Bull. Because we have the numbers for Merc, we can say that. I'm happy saying that. We saw the podiums the P4s the P6s the P8s. It's all accounted for.

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But for a team like AlphaTauri. Their finishes no matter how high they are are just not accounted for until it crosses P10

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I just don't think that's fair

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 9:18 PM

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Okay so we have 3 teams that fight for the championship, 5 teams that are in the midfield and 2 teams that barely get 1 point. Whether you give p15 a point or not, the standing remains almost the same. The only difference would be that these teams wont try to improve and end up in the top half, instead fight for p15. Not everyone needs to get a point, the system is perfectly fine.

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And if only the top 5 cars earn a point, there would be no midfield which ruins the race.

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 9:24 PM

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I take particular issue with that "instead fight for P15." It's so disheartening sometimes to see in some races a graphic like "Battle for 12th" and "Battle for 16th." They clearly are still in it for track position but for no points. The drive of competition is there. Why not incentivize that more? What's so wrong for encouraging more fights towards the back? I also again would like to reiterate that the argument works for any arbitrary cutoff in points. In this case: "Teams in P6-10 won't improve and try to get the point-awarding top 5 positions. Instead they'll just fight for P10. Not everyone needs to get points"

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We give a sliding scale of points from P1-P10 yet we don't see settling, do we? And it has nonuniform gaps to offset the risk of pushing by rewarding more points. I see no reason why the logic breaks down after an arbitrary cutoff like P10

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Do points not exist because there's value in keeping track of how many times you finished in a certain position and how much we should weigh finishing in one position over the other? If so, why do we just stop doing that at a certain point? Why is it that the consistency and performance metric we call points is so rigorously checked and balanced for the Top 5 constructors and just shunted for the rest and instead for them it's a gamble? At the top it's a game of gains and losses and at the back, it's just sending it despite all but maybe one or two drivers out of ten even getting a single whiff with no distinguishing between getting close and being unimaginably far.

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 9:36 PM

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I mean this graphic rarely happens and it's usually for drivers who usually end up in the points zone. What difference will it make if you gave p16 a point just to feel good about it? It would only make the p16 driver look better than he is. As for the p5 argument, it would be merc and red bull getting these points with the occasional Ferrari/McLaren/whatever. This would be extremely unfair, especially since we have 20 cars on the grid. 80% of them wont have points and the standings would look weird. I do think that points should have a value instead of giving them away for free because it would create more battles to end up in the first half of the grid.

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 9:38 PM

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I fundamentally do not see points as awards. They are metrics of performance.

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If I asked absolutely anyone if they would rather finished P12 or P20, they know finishing P12 is better but as far as the standings are concerned. They are the same thing.

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 9:39 PM

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If we're using points as metrics of performance, we would think that george is a bad driver during his time at williams

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 9:39 PM

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There's no acknowledgement for being better than 4 other constructors per se.

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I don't see how that's an argument in favor of keeping the system that doesn't recognize doing better than almost half the grid.

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 9:43 PM

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Because the current system would let us know that williams aren't as good as let's say alpine

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 9:44 PM

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And how so?

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 9:45 PM

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Because alpine race in the first half of the grid more often than williams

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And if let's say alpine dnf more frequently than williams

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If we're using the "everyone gets a point" system, it would make Williams look better than they are

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 9:47 PM

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I mean, would it not also befall on Alpine that they DNF so often because of drivers/reliability/strategy that they are at least in part looking better than they should?

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Like I understand where you're coming from

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But that's a good point that there's a balance between finishing good and finishing at all

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But in the end, that's racing. We didn't knock on Merc just now with George crashing that everyone below him got bumped up a position?

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 9:50 PM

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Williams would passively collect points, even if they do shit every race. Alpine would still lose out on the points but it would make alpine and williams closer than they actually are.

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 9:51 PM

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I mean, that's the reason for the sliding scale, isn't it? Alpine being better and getting finishes would offset bad performances from Williams that still gain points

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Moreover, is this not like Ferrari in the past few years? They've had a car and driver comparable to Red Bull last year and were marred with crashes and reliability

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Which allowed Red Bull to clinch as early as Suzuka

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Would that not say "Oh, the crashes of Ferrari made Red Bull look better than they actually are?"

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In a way, yes

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But that comes with the territory

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We allow that for the top but it's suddenly not allowed for the middle and back?

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Like hey, if you weren't crashing so much last year, Ferrari you would've put up a fight. The same can be said for this Williams/Alpine situation. If you stopped being XYZ, you would've looked better.

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I get it's sort of different because Red Bull/Ferrari at least was a championship fight but isn't the point of things like the midfield to be excited for battles for 4th? Battles for 6th? Why not extend that to battles towards the back?

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 9:55 PM

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Except williams would think they're as fast as alpine, which is incorrect. It won't create more competition, it creates less competition because williams and alpine are close in points even though williams are doing terribly. With the Ferrari example, it's perfect because we know how close/far they are from the championship. You can't say the same if we gave everyone a point, especially at the back of the grid.

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 9:55 PM

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More opportunities for movement. And again, it's a sliding scale. You don't see people in the midfield "passively" collecting points to move up to the Championship winner tier

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Because the gap between getting points from P5-10 are so little compared to P1-4

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If you do the same for P11 and below what really is the concern?

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The points scale down the lower you go

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The effect is only really felt if you're in similar tiers

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The gap between say current year Aston Martin and Williams just wouldn't be felt but at least you can distinguish between Williams and Alfa Romeo better

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But again because there's no recognition between the backmarkers, you wouldn't actually know who is doing best in that tier of competition

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We care about who's doing best among the midfield. How do we do that? In part, points. But the backmarkers? It's just feel and whoever gets lucky for the most part of who clinches a P10 and up finish

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Hell, points makes the midfield feel like it matters because although they can't get podiums and constructors podiums, they're still indirectly fighting one another for points where every position is another chance to move up because it's a multi-point swing for every overtake.

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But if you're P17, there is no such change in the standings.

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Do 4 overtakes, there is nothing. Might as well have saved the parts durability and cruised.

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Now that, to me, is settling.

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 10:03 PM

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I mean if a driver is getting points, they're doing well in a race. I dont know why a driver at p20 deserves to earn a point. About the distinguishing between alfa romeo and williams, i dont know how this would improve the races. It's not like people care if we gave them a point or not, it would simply make them look better and make it harder to distinguish between the teams in the mid and the back.

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 10:08 PM

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Track position means you're doing well in a race. We live in a world where getting 1 point is a "reward" but to me, it should be that getting 1 point is garbage because you should've fought for more. It's not about the points themselves. It's how many points you're getting relative to the other teams. Getting 25 points in of itself doesn't matter when winning a GP, what matters is that you extend your lead/close your gap by at least 8 points. Again, I fundamentally do not see points as a reward. They are a metric to determine who is the better driver/constructor over a season. Points define the midfield order. Do we confuse the Championship Contenders and the Midfield? If not, then we can extend the points downwards so we can better define the Backmarker order.

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The points for the midfield are little that we are not confused as to who is in what tier. An extended points system would just define the order of the backmarkers better instead of just a blob of zeroes and ones.

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 10:09 PM

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That's why there's a big jump from p1 and p4

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 10:09 PM

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YEAH SO WHY NOT JUST A BIG JUMP FROM P10 TO 11

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 10:10 PM

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What's the point 😭😭😭😭

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 10:10 PM

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So the order of the backmarkers can be well-defined.

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You mentioned that if the midfield wasn't awarded points it would suck because they deserve the recognition, no?

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It's nice to know who's doing good in the midfield and who's doing bad in the midfield

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 10:11 PM

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I mean it's not like we don't know who the backmarkers are and the difference between them 😭

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 10:11 PM

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It's a good side show aside from the championship

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Why not also grant the backmarkers that?

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 10:12 PM

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Yeah but people talk about these teams, no one cares about the backmarkers. That's why only the top 10 earn points, it's an incentive for the backmarkers to try and be better than half of the grid

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Maybe I'm exaggerating

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But you get the point

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No pun intended

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 10:13 PM

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How do we know that this isn't a chicken and egg problem

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No one cares because there's no points. There's no points because no one cares.

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Why does the Midfield matter? I postulate it's because we keep track of the midfield.

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 10:14 PM

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Suppose we gave them points, do people still care about the battles at the back of the grid? It would only be annoying to watch these battles because now they're fighting for more points instead of watching the front/mid grid

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 10:15 PM

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Hear me out

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Are we really watching fights 100% of the time in a GP?

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No, half the time we're waiting for a battle to happen even if the observers are good.

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That's why we sometimes get Battle for 14th Graphics

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There's literally nothing else on the track that's interesting

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So why not up the stakes and maybe reduce downtime

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By having the back battle for points

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We also have multiple battles happening on the grid semioften. Do you really think they're going to cut away from a Battle for 2nd to look at a Battle for 14th?

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 10:18 PM

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fallow thistle Why does the Midfield matter? I postulate it's because we keep track of the midf...

Because teams in the midfield like mclaren constantly improve, they became 3rd too.

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 10:18 PM

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Damn why didn't they settle for their points

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They could've just battled for P4 or P5

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You see how it doesn't make sense for me?

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Like, if they want to improve, they will

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 10:19 PM

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That's the idea though, points have more value and it's an incentive for teams to get them

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 10:20 PM

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I'm saying that why do backmarker teams suddenly are being assumed to want to settle if they're getting free points if the midfield are actually getting those free points yet teams like Aston Martin or McLaren exist that are scratching at the higher tier

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 10:20 PM

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If everyone earns a point, it doesn't matter as long as you're getting more points. If you only make the top half earn points, teams will try their best to end up in the top 10

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 10:20 PM

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I don't understand it

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So are you saying McLaren, Aston Martin, and Alpine don't care to end up in Top 5?

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They earn points. It doesn't matter that they're getting more points, no?

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This is what I don't get. The situation you're describing already exists and it doesn't work.

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 10:22 PM

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The system works perfectly fine though, I don't know why you're trying to make battles at the back of the grid "more exciting"

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 10:23 PM

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Let me go back to my original point.

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Im doing all these side points because I'm appealing to what matters to you

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But really I only care mostly for one thing

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AlphaTauri can be P11/P12 the entire season. Alpine is P13/P14 the entire season. Alfa Romeo is P15/P16 all season. Williams is P17/P18 all season. Finally, Haas always bottoms out at P19/P20 all season. Some miracle happens and Nico finished P10 in Qatar or some shit. The Constructors rankings put Haas as the 6th Constructor with 1 point.

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It's hyperbolic but the fact the system is blind to the difference between P11 and P20 just doesn't sit right with me.

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 10:27 PM

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Except this is extremely rare for alpha tauri to always end up in p11/12 and so on. A lot of the midfield teams fight it out to earn points. It's only the teams like williams and haas who rarely get points.

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 10:27 PM

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All the other stuff I've talked about are added justifications and in my opinion benefits to expanding the points

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I get that it's a hyperbolic hypothetical

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But it's to illustrate my particular issue with how P11 and P20 are treated as the same

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I'll ask anyone in the world "Hey if you finished 11th in a race and 20th in a race, who did better?"

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100% of the time, they'll say finishing P11.

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But as far as the rules are concerned

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They are the same.

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(I know best placements are used as a tiebreaker at the end of the season but that's dumb as hell. It's almost a selfadmission that these placements mean something but they're too cowardly to expand the point system)

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 10:34 PM

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I honestly fail to understand how this wouldn't decrease the competition. There are a lot of ways to increase the competition like adding more teams, increasing the point gap between p1 and p2 and so on, etc. Giving everyone a point is kinda useless and it won't make the backmarkers more interesting to watch, it only makes them look better than they are.

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 10:35 PM

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It's not the points that matter. It's the ranking.

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Allowing P11 to P20 to order themselves using points instead of a flat 0

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I don't see how that's not just better.

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 10:36 PM

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I mean if we added more teams, it would make sense to increase the slider. As for now, it works just fine tbh

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 10:37 PM

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The more teams that don't get any points, the worse this problem is going to get.

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 10:38 PM

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You're just giving them a point for participation tho

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 10:38 PM

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I don't think this is a proportional issue. I think it's an absolute number issue. If we had a 24-car grid, 12 cars getting zilch every GP is worse than 10 cars despite being proportionally the same.

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So?

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Again

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I don't give a shit about the points themselves

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I care about the rankings.

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The points determine the rankings.

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If P23 gives 1 point, is that participation? Sure? But like, it's there to signify they're not last.

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 10:39 PM

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Would you be confused if you looked at the current standings and say "idk if this driver is better or not"

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 10:39 PM

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I think the standings are accurate for the Top 8

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Maybe even top 10

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Drivers

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But below that, it's just RNG

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Who had the stars align

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 10:40 PM

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It's not though???

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The drivers that end up last have consistently been there every season

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And the drivers at the lower midfield are equally good

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That's why it looks "rng"

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Same with the constructors

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It remains consistent every year

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 10:45 PM

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Yuki has finished above P12 and above 7 times this year. Bottas 8 times this year. Nico twice this year. Guess which of these three are the highest in Drivers right now

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Regardless, this is still beside the point. I want granularity for the backmarkers. Midfield placement is a mix of consistency and starshots. Backmarker placement are just starshots. A P16/17 team can have the stars line up and grant you a P7 and use that finishto coast through half the season

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 10:53 PM

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I mean it's a fun idea to play around with, but i do suppose it ruins the image of f1 being this extremely competitive racing sport with harsh results for drivers who didnt do better than half the grid.

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It's kinda interesting if we ran the stats on the bottom grid and see how big of a difference it makes

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 10:55 PM

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As someone relatively new to the sport, it is harsh but like...that's not an image. That's just a quirk. And I say it's a quirk that damages a bit of the fun.

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If I was a Haas fan, I'd be cheering for every gained place

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But imagine the wall of bricks that hit when you learn that the gained place means nothing in terms of season ranking unless it's 10th or up

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I mean sure each GP is it's each individual thing

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But why deprive us of that?

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 10:56 PM

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I still find it weird how haas went from competing for the championship to the worst team on the grid

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 10:57 PM

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When I see Albon move from P9 to P8, I'm hype as fuck

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But when I see Albon move from P13 to P12, I'm like "Cool, I hope he does that shit two more times."

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I get that expanding the points makes the celebration for making it into the points meaningless

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 10:58 PM

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It would be more exciting to see albon in the top 10 instead of getting that participation point ngl

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 10:58 PM

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I'll say it again

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The point itself is meaningless

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What matters is you're closing a gap or extending a lead

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The points are a vehicle to rank the drivers and constructors.

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And you're right, it would be more exciting

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But why deprive backmarkers even some excitement from gaining a tenth of a point

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:00 PM

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I get that you want the points system to work as a metric but to get to the original point, it decreases the competitive nature of f1.

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:00 PM

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I disagree

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Settling is knowing you have 8 cars in front of you and passing 7 of them still means 0 fucking points

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Sure, you can be like "Oh the team will strive to do better next time" well yeah but now I have to watch this shit for two hours

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No wonder you don't cover it on cam, it's cause it's pointless

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It's a chicken and egg

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No one cares cause it's not worth anything. It's not worth anything because no one cares.

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:02 PM

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I mean if let's say albon consistently ends up in p12, he consistently ends up performing "below average"

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:02 PM

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Albon being always P12 makes him no better than DeVries as far as the competition is concerned.

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Or Yuki who is addicted to finishing P11 this year

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:03 PM

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Again, if you want drivers to be more competitive, you should reward them for performing better than average

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:03 PM

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The reward is more points

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Literally I'm saying

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Hey do better you get more points

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And again

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:04 PM

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That removes the competitive aspect tho

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:04 PM

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This "issue" "exists" in the midfield

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I want podium battles

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So I'll just take away points from anything outside of P3

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The drivers will now be competitive

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I am awarding them for performing at a podium level

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Like really why do we bother with points? I want to get at the heart as to why we use them to determine the Championships and not GP wins or podiums. Why is the actual determinant for winning points

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:07 PM

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Yeah but that would be unbalanced, wouldnt it? If you gave everyone a point, the standing remains the same but it only removes the competitive aspect

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The only difference would be at the back of the grid

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Like the very back

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:07 PM

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that's....literally what I've been saying

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:07 PM

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P17-20

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:07 PM

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If they suck, they suck

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But at least we didn't ignore the ones that just stay outside of the arbitrary cutoff

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:08 PM

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Yeah but why change the system for the ones that suck? Why do we reward them?

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:08 PM

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It's not a rewardm

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It's an acknowledgement

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Points are not rewards

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They are trackers

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They are there to signify "You did better"

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:08 PM

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It is though, the team with the most points wins the championship

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:09 PM

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Yeah

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It is there to determine who is best

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:09 PM

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And the driver with the most points gets a trophy too

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:09 PM

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They are trackers

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:09 PM

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It would only make sense to reward these points instead of giving them away

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:09 PM

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No

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Literally

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It's the same shit

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I literally don't understand this participation trophy logic

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Its there to determine who is better than who

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:10 PM

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But it's not, we're literally going in circles about how it makes the races less exciting and less competitive 😭😭😭

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:10 PM

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Bro, I think having 9 cars get nothing for gaining a track position is not competitive

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:11 PM

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Why should the cars at the back of the grid be competitive

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They're doing badly at the race anyways

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:11 PM

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Bro then why keep them on the fucking track

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Just retire them after Lap 35

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That's what I'm saying

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If this is your mindset for the backmarkers

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:12 PM

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Because they might have a chance to end up in the top half????

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:12 PM

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The backmarkers shouldn't exist

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:12 PM

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If we removed haas and williams, there will be new backmarkers

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There gotta be a team or two that always suck

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:13 PM

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I'd just like to say

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I did not sleep tonight because of this

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:13 PM

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You don't need to reward them

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Same 💀

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:13 PM

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topaz terraceBOT Sep 17, 2023, 11:13 PM

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last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:13 PM

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Fuck me how long have we been arguing over this

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:13 PM

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No idea

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Look

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What is so wrong

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Like

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The midfield is literally this

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Why are we giving participation points to P4-10

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Why

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:14 PM

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It's not participation points, they performed better than average

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:14 PM

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How do we know your perception of bad is not warped by the fact the cutoff is at P10

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I literally just want the rankings to make sense

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:15 PM

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Because they did better than half the grid?

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:15 PM

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Then you score them accordingly

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Literally that's all it is

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:16 PM

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I mean even if you think the current point system is harsh, that's what makes a lot of people watch it. It would be boring if we started to watch the cars at the back to battle it out even though they suck

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:16 PM

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If you beat 19 cars: 25 points
If you beat 18 cars: 17 points
...
If you beat 10 cars: 1 point
If you beat 9 cars, you get the same as beating no one. get fucked.

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:16 PM

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fallow thistle If you beat 19 cars: 25 points If you beat 18 cars: 17 points ... If you beat 10...

Youve beaten 9 cars, 10 cars have beaten you

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Why get a point?

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:17 PM

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Arbitrary cutoff

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A point isn't real

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I don't think

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P11

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And P20

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Should be the same

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That's literally my whole thing here

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:18 PM

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Well it's not treated the same, drivers who are at p11-13 tried to fight for points

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:19 PM

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Damn

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But guess what

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Tough luck

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Nothing

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Who cares

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0 points

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Effort? Admirable. You get nothing.

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:19 PM

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Well, that's the competitive part. You want the points? Better luck next time

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:20 PM

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Having the backmarkers fight for P10 is like determining WDC by number of podium finishes

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I'm not saying it's wrong. I'm saying it's a different ballgame at the back

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:21 PM

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Well, at least they started to improve and it's shown by the current system. Obviously every driver wants to win the championship

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:22 PM

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They can go one step further

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And just have rankings be determined by placements

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Like they currently do for P1-10

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They have a system. It's good. A sliding scale. The gaps get bigger so that you're incentivized to place higher while still recognizing your current place.

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Literally just

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Extend that logic

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To the whole thing

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Have P1 be 100 points for all I care

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Cause the points, the actual numbers themselves, don't matter

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What matters is everyone is going for it because there's points on the line at every place. There's ways to move up and down the constructors and drivers at every place.

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:26 PM

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I mean you've said it yourself not too long ago, it would be less exciting to watch the race if everyone got a point. I have no idea who would want to watch the backmarkers fight it out. It's supposed to be harsh and competitive. Changing the system just to accurately show who was the better driver at the back makes no sense.

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:27 PM

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The backmarkers don't matter because the system doesn't care about them.

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:27 PM

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That's the point

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That's the competitive nature of f1

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:29 PM

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You said it yourself also. The changes I propose have little change on the rest of the field. Why deny the fans of the backmarkers, the teams, and the drivers added things to consider like real position, points, battling, strategy because their placement actually matters?

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:29 PM

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Because it becomes less competitive and exciting to watch? I can use that same argument against you

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:30 PM

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How is it less competitive and exciting?

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:30 PM

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Because the points are devalued

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:30 PM

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There's more competition now because the back has something to play for that doesn't interfere with the middle and fromt

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The points don't matter. It's their value in determining the relative placement of the teams

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No one bats an eye that Championship Tier and Midfield gets points but when I say backmarkers also should get points all of a sudden there's this talk of devaluing and settling and competitive integrity

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:32 PM

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Every sport has a point system though. It's the reason why teams try to get as many points as they can. Saying that points don't matter and that it should only serve as a tool for a more accurate ranking is extremely false and wrong

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:33 PM

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Yeah and sports don't delete data for half the field

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:34 PM

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If you scored a goal, you earn a point. You don't earn a point for participating.

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:34 PM

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In soccer, you lose 3-4, at least you get 3 in your GF column

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:35 PM

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Same with f1? You don't have to be 1st place to earn points

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:35 PM

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You get -1 in GD because at least they recognize that -1 GD is way better than -19

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:35 PM

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But you should at least score

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Or in this case, end up in top 10

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:35 PM

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Beating 9 cars is nothing. It's the same as not even showing up

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:36 PM

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Yeah but 10 cars have beaten you

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:36 PM

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Lance Stroll gets as many points as Alex Albon

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I scored as many points as Alex Albon

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I have an equal contribution to Williams as Alex Albon did in that Williams despite the latter beating Zhou, Hulkenberg, Sargeant, Alonso, Russell, Bottas, Ocon, Tsunoda, Stroll, and Russell

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:38 PM

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Idk if you've played racing games but even if it's not f1, no one cares if you ended up in p12 or p19. You usually try to end up in the podium or at least the top 10. And aston martin did help lance get points.

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It's not that lance is better than albon, he has the better car and it shows in the standings

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:39 PM

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I meant today

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Today

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Lance Stroll got as many points as Alex Albon

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I, today, got as many points as Alex Albon

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Lance Stroll who did not even start is equal to Alex Albon, a man who raced 62 full laps and finished 11th.

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I, a person who cannot even drive a car, got as many points as Alex Albon

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:41 PM

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Just because albon consistently finished 11th doesnt mean he's performed better than lance

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:41 PM

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I'm literally talking about today

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Today

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Right now

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Tell me

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Is it fair

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That Alex Albon who finished 11th

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Deserves as much as Lance Stroll

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Who did not start

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:42 PM

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Okay so suppose that you were driving in f1 and you think it's not fair because albon is better than you and finished higher than you but got treated equally

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Well i do want to ask you this, can you finish in the top 10 like albon?

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:43 PM

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No

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But here's the thing

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I think it shouldn't fucking matter that you have to finish above a certain arbitrary threshold

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:43 PM

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Well, he may not earn the points on this race. He'll def earn it the next race

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:43 PM

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The fact it's next race this and next race that is asinine to me. It's repugnant.

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:43 PM

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fallow thistle I think it shouldn't fucking matter that you have to finish above a certain arbi...

That's why it's competitive

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:44 PM

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I could finish dead last. I could DNF. Hell, I could DNS or DNQ.

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:44 PM

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fallow thistle The fact it's next race this and next race that is asinine to me. It's repugnant...

As harsh as it is, it's still better giving him points for participating

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:44 PM

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I could DNQ my entire fucking career

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And it's equal to a man who finishes 11th every time.

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A man who consistently beats 9 other drivers.

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Is equal to someone who DNQs.

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:45 PM

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Why would you want to decrease the competition? It wouldnt be fun to give him the points

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:45 PM

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It's not points for participating holy shit

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It doesn't decrease competition

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Its not giving

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Oh my god

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:45 PM

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But it does 💀

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:45 PM

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Literally

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We give points to P4-10

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We give points in general

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Again

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Why do we not complain that the midfield just doesn't go for podium

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Theyre getting points

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If we take away the pointsz they'd fight for podium

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Or all of that

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:46 PM

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I mean if you always end up in p11, why not try to earn the points

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:47 PM

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We literally fixed this

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We have a sliding scale

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Just extend it further down

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:47 PM

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If bro can't end up in p10, as harsh as it sounds, he doesnt deserve the points

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:47 PM

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Points are overvalued

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Points literally don't mean shit

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:47 PM

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That's the whole fucking point of f1 😭😭

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:47 PM

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Literally teams care about the points because points give them placement which gives them prize money

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That's why they fucking want the points

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It's cause of the Constructors Rank

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It's cause of the prize pot

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So it's not about the points

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It's about the rank

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:48 PM

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If they want the points, why would the fia devalue it 💀

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:48 PM

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It's not 1 Point = $5,000

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It's 10th = $3M

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So the points themselves

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Don't have a value

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It's the relative distribution

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Literally

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:49 PM

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OKAY SO WE'RE GOING SOMEWHERE

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:49 PM

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I do not for the life of me

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Do not get this

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:49 PM

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IF I RAN F1

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AND TEAMS WANT TO RANK HIGHER

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TO EARN MORE MONEY

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WHY WOULD I DEVALUE IT???

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Why give every team a point for participation

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:50 PM

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ITS NOT PARTICIPATION

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:50 PM

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When i could simply tell them to fuck off and do better next time

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:50 PM

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HOLY SHIT

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I DO NOT GET THAT IDEA AT ALL

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JUST

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ITS A GODDAMN RANKING

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:50 PM

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That's literally the idea you're proposing 💀💀💀

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:51 PM

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NO MONEY IS MOVING AROUND

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:51 PM

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Who gives a shit about how accurate the ranking is for the backmarkers

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They suck anyways

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Why change the whole fucking system for teams that end up in the back

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:51 PM

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It's not even

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A big change

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It's literally

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:51 PM

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It is

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:51 PM

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More cells at the back

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It's really not

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:52 PM

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It makes it less competitive and less exciting to watch

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:52 PM

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11th gets a half point

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12th gets a third of a point

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You're wrong

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:52 PM

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If albon went from p11 to p10

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It's less exciting if you gave everyone points

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:52 PM

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I must ask

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If someone goes P10 to P9

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Is that boring

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:52 PM

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No

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:52 PM

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Why

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:53 PM

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They're fighting at the top of the grid

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Not podium

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:53 PM

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This is literally the middle

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:53 PM

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But in the top half

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Yeah but they're fighting for more points

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:53 PM

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I'm going to be real with you

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I think you're lying when you say it's not boring because they're in the top half of the grid

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Its not boring because they're getting more points is the real reason

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Why wouldn't you be excited? They're getting more points.

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The logic tracks all the way to P1.

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:55 PM

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It's a battle though? And they're fighting for points? Why would i give a shit about a battle between p18 and p19?

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They both suck

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:55 PM

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I'll be real

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:55 PM

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Relatively speaking obviously, whether it's the car or the driver among other drivers

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:55 PM

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I think the problem is that

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The system has neglected backmarkers so much

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That it's impossible to have this discussion

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:56 PM

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Nascar had that system

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:56 PM

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Idk how long you've been watching this sport

last flower Sep 17, 2023, 11:56 PM

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And even nascar changed it

fallow thistle Sep 17, 2023, 11:57 PM

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Like, if the mentality is that backmarkers by default are uninteresting

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Then any justification I bring that makes them interesting will be retorted with the rebuttal that they are uninteresting

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Even if the changes are minimal and barely affect the rest of the grid

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Like, battles are interesting to me. People fighting for position is interesting to me. But to you if you see a number higher than 11 on the leftmost side of the timing table, then I suppose the interesting factor of it goes away.

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I don't think anyone is actually content being a backmarker. But you make do with what you have and push forward.

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Sometimes that's not enough to make it to the top half

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But for the last time

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If a team took the effort and made it all the way from being garbage to just outside the points. I would at least like to see their performance be reflected on the leaderboard as opposed to a team thats just not competive at all. Because as it stands right now they'd both end up at 0

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That is all.

last flower Sep 18, 2023, 12:05 AM

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It's not that the backmarkers aren't interesting, they simply can't produce exciting racing because of the cars they're working with. And it's not that I or anyone exclusively watch the top 10 and dont care about the other half of the grid, the midfield creates a lot of exciting races even at p15, but they're exciting because the drivers will eventually fight for points or at least try to. If charles leclerc went from p5 and had the worst pitstop and ended up in p20 after getting out of the pit, it would create more excitement to watch charles try to end up in the points zone than if he'd get rewarded regardless of where ends up.

acoustic quartz Sep 18, 2023, 4:54 AM

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warped prawn How many of you will sleep through the next race weekend? 😂

im basiclly the same timezone as japan 😎

fallow thistle Sep 18, 2023, 6:37 AM

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Format is 100-75-60-48-40-32-26-22-18-15-12-9-7-5-4-3-2-1-0-0. Sprint is untouched (only P8 and up get points) but all points are quadrupled. Fastest lap grants 4 points (1/25th the value of a GP win, enough points to bridge the gap from P10-P9) and is only given to P10 and up.

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All changes are for P9 and below. Left is adjusted, right is real-life.

kind hinge Sep 18, 2023, 9:14 AM

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crazy

last flower Sep 18, 2023, 1:29 PM

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The more interesting part is how close alpine and williams are in the new hypothetical format compared to irl

west sleet Sep 18, 2023, 3:09 PM

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kind hinge Sep 18, 2023, 3:18 PM

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oh for fucks sake

acoustic quartz Sep 18, 2023, 3:28 PM

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kind hinge oh for fucks sake

finally a good time

kind hinge Sep 18, 2023, 3:30 PM

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fuck it, i'll wake up

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better be a mercedes 1-2 🙏 🙏

warped prawn Sep 18, 2023, 3:33 PM

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kind hinge better be a mercedes 1-2 🙏 🙏

Didn’t you hear what Max said when someone asked him the plans for next race?

kind hinge Sep 18, 2023, 3:39 PM

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warped prawn Didn’t you hear what Max said when someone asked him the plans for next race?

no?

warped prawn Sep 18, 2023, 3:40 PM

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Target for Suzuka is to win at least by 20 seconds

kind hinge Sep 18, 2023, 3:41 PM

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did he actually say that 😂

warped prawn Sep 18, 2023, 3:41 PM

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Yep

kind hinge Sep 18, 2023, 3:41 PM

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yeah well

warped prawn Sep 18, 2023, 3:41 PM

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🎥| Max siendo entrevistado después de la carrera en Singapur 🇸🇬:

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kind hinge Sep 18, 2023, 3:41 PM

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we'll be back in sao paulo anyway so

acoustic quartz Sep 19, 2023, 4:50 AM

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rip

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what are the chances of rb dominating again

bronze sandal Sep 19, 2023, 6:05 AM

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High

fallow thistle Sep 19, 2023, 6:12 AM

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Near certain

regal panther Sep 19, 2023, 10:45 AM

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fallow thistle Near certain

back to our regularly schedueled programming

fallow thistle Sep 19, 2023, 11:37 AM

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In case anyone was wondering, the Adjusted™️ Constructors Standings is

Adj. IRL Team Name
2415 597 Red Bull
1139 289 Mercedes
1019 265 Ferrari
 925 217 Aston Martin
 646 139 McLaren
 439  81 Alpine
 227  21 Williams
 217  10 Alfa Romeo
 191   5 AlphaTauri
 161  12 Haas

Williams is now half of Alpine instead of a quarter. Haas drops to last instead of being 8th. The bottom 4 teams are very close to one another instead of being multiple P8-P10 finishes away

harsh stream Sep 20, 2023, 8:21 AM

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me just now realizing we had an f1 thread

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anyway

bronze sandal Sep 20, 2023, 8:22 AM

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Suzuka week

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And there is little chance we can see vettel on Aston Martin

harsh stream Sep 20, 2023, 8:34 AM

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honestly a bit delulu but hoping she'd show up at the las vegas gp

bronze sandal Sep 20, 2023, 8:41 AM

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Nah she won't

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There would be chaos

west sleet Sep 20, 2023, 8:48 AM

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well she could if one of the teams took her into their garage

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but she couldn’t do the grid walk

bronze sandal Sep 20, 2023, 8:53 AM

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Maybe AM will take her :D

west sleet Sep 20, 2023, 9:01 AM

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haha that’d add to the alonso rumours so probably not

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mercedes maybe

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cuteimp

bronze sandal Sep 20, 2023, 9:14 AM

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Maybe but maybe HAAS you know American team ✨

west sleet Sep 20, 2023, 9:25 AM

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HAAS don’t even have the money for a proper screens down at the pit

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they wouldn’t have the money to keep Taylor secure in their garage 😂

fallow thistle Sep 20, 2023, 9:25 AM

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I need Alonso and Tay to have at least just one selfie together. The memes would be goated.

west sleet Sep 20, 2023, 9:26 AM

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yeah it would be very funny

fallow thistle Sep 20, 2023, 9:26 AM

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Oh and DannyRic. I'm sure he'd love it.

west sleet Sep 20, 2023, 9:26 AM

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lewis loves taylor too

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they have photos together tho

fallow thistle Sep 20, 2023, 9:26 AM

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Lewis and Taylor have met before though, right?

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Like way way back, forgot for what

west sleet Sep 20, 2023, 9:26 AM

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yeah but it was in lewis’ ugly era

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need fresh photos

fallow thistle Sep 20, 2023, 9:26 AM

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Post-Lewis Glow up

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Who among the grid is taller than Taylor lmao

west sleet Sep 20, 2023, 9:28 AM

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george

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i think ocon is taller too

fallow thistle Sep 20, 2023, 9:29 AM

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Oh wow, only 8 drivers this year are 180cm and up. Charles, Logan, Max, Lance, Nico, George, Alex, Esteban

west sleet Sep 20, 2023, 9:29 AM

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i’m sorry but charles no way

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you’re not taller than danny ric

fallow thistle Sep 20, 2023, 9:29 AM

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Charles is listed as 180

west sleet Sep 20, 2023, 9:29 AM

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i remember they did grill the grid

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and people were doubting

fallow thistle Sep 20, 2023, 9:30 AM

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Charles lying about his height is a hilarious prospect

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But yeah, Tay is 180. If she wears like 3 inch heels, it's over for the entire grid

west sleet Sep 20, 2023, 9:31 AM

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danny ric gives tall energy

fallow thistle Sep 20, 2023, 9:31 AM

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I can't believe Alex is the tallest

west sleet Sep 20, 2023, 9:31 AM

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also you have Nico listed?

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as in Rosberg?

fallow thistle Sep 20, 2023, 9:32 AM

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Oh, Hulkenberg

west sleet Sep 20, 2023, 9:32 AM

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They need to measure them all

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alex does not seem the tallest

fallow thistle Sep 20, 2023, 9:32 AM

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We need them all in a police lineup

west sleet Sep 20, 2023, 9:33 AM

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Ocon is the tallest

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“Charles is 180”

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Seb “Pfft no he’s not…ask the engineers, he’s the same”

fallow thistle Sep 20, 2023, 9:36 AM

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Seb is savage

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But yeah, Alex being up there, just like 1cm shy of Esteban

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I would never have guessed

west sleet Sep 20, 2023, 9:38 AM

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And when Seb is told Lando is apparently the same height as him “is he??” with a very high tone

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some of them were definitely very generous with their height measurements

fallow thistle Sep 20, 2023, 9:39 AM

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Charles "180cm" Leclerc

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I wonder who'll be the random celebrity to wave the checkered flag at Vegas

west sleet Sep 20, 2023, 9:41 AM

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Daniel looks like he should be 6 foot

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wonder what super cringy thing they’ll do in Las Vegas like in Miami

west sleet Sep 20, 2023, 9:41 AM

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fallow thistle I wonder who'll be the random celebrity to wave the checkered flag at Vegas

Penn or Teller

fallow thistle Sep 20, 2023, 9:42 AM

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Teller doing an entire physical comedy set before waving the flag would be great ngl

west sleet Sep 20, 2023, 9:43 AM

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actually planning on waking up at 6am to watch the las vegas race

fallow thistle Sep 20, 2023, 9:43 AM

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Is it not a night race?

west sleet Sep 20, 2023, 9:43 AM

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it’s at 6am for me

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it is night but they’re 8 hours behind me

fallow thistle Sep 20, 2023, 9:44 AM

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Lights out is at 10pm local Vegas?

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I have to check now

kind hinge Sep 20, 2023, 9:44 AM

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im forced to have a normal sleep schedule this weekend...

west sleet Sep 20, 2023, 9:45 AM

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the japanese race is at 6am for me as well

kind hinge Sep 20, 2023, 9:45 AM

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oh at least cota is at a normal time

honest shore Sep 20, 2023, 9:47 AM

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late message bc im stupid CARLOS SAINZZZ LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 💯

west sleet Sep 20, 2023, 9:47 AM

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actually not too many races left this year

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pls pray that next year we have a more competitive championship fight

honest shore Sep 20, 2023, 9:49 AM

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west sleet pls pray that next year we have a more competitive championship fight

if we didn't hear the dutch anthem in singapore something will go down

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ITS A SIGN

west sleet Sep 20, 2023, 9:49 AM

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yeah but that could’ve just been a fluke

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we need consistent red bull not winning

honest shore Sep 20, 2023, 9:49 AM

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delulu = trululu

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believe me

kind hinge Sep 20, 2023, 9:49 AM

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debating on whether or not i should get up at 8:30 am for practice or just quali and the race

west sleet Sep 20, 2023, 9:49 AM

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in so sad i didn’t get to watch singapore live

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the drama of george yeeting it off

honest shore Sep 20, 2023, 9:50 AM

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west sleet in so sad i didn’t get to watch singapore live

aww me to (i dont even have f1 im too broke)

honest shore Sep 20, 2023, 9:50 AM

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west sleet the drama of george yeeting it off

the radio message 😔

kind hinge Sep 20, 2023, 9:50 AM

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west sleet in so sad i didn’t get to watch singapore live

my heart was racing

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as soon as george crashed i fucking threw the remote and turned the tv off 😆

honest shore Sep 20, 2023, 9:51 AM

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kind hinge as soon as george crashed i fucking threw the remote and turned the tv off 😆

i screamed like i accidentally stepped on my pet ant

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i was like

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NOOOO GEOORGEE

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i think i concerned the neighbors

bronze sandal Sep 20, 2023, 9:52 AM

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west sleet HAAS don’t even have the money for a proper screens down at the pit

I know :D

west sleet Sep 20, 2023, 9:52 AM

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George held Lewis up though so 🌝

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Lewis probably would’ve gotten past Lando if George wasn’t there

honest shore Sep 20, 2023, 9:56 AM

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west sleet Lewis probably would’ve gotten past Lando if George wasn’t there

even if, singapore gp was intense

kind hinge Sep 20, 2023, 10:06 AM

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taylor reference

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warped prawn Sep 20, 2023, 10:10 AM

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fallow thistle Who among the grid is taller than Taylor lmao

Ocon probably

bronze sandal Sep 20, 2023, 10:12 AM

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Isn't albon close to 2 meters or something

fallow thistle Sep 20, 2023, 10:14 AM

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west sleet Lewis probably would’ve gotten past Lando if George wasn’t there

Smooth Operator was really at like 400IQ though for using Lando to hold up the Mercs

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God tier strategy

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The galaxy brain on this man

bronze sandal Sep 20, 2023, 10:16 AM

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McLaren have agreed a fresh multi-year contract extension with Oscar Piastri ✍️

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I hope he did not make a mistake..

tawny spruce Sep 20, 2023, 11:09 AM

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Stress-free contract announcement like always 😉

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tawny spruce Sep 20, 2023, 11:09 AM

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bronze sandal I hope he did not make a mistake..

He is 22 years old. He did not make a mistake

west sleet Sep 20, 2023, 11:21 AM

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fallow thistle Smooth Operator was really at like 400IQ though for using Lando to hold up the M...

who needed that when you had George holding up Lewis anyway

regal panther Sep 20, 2023, 11:21 AM

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tawny spruce He is 22 years old. He did not make a mistake

nobody is gonna turn down a seat

west sleet Sep 20, 2023, 11:21 AM

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plus McClaren have really improved

regal panther Sep 20, 2023, 11:21 AM

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west sleet plus McClaren have really improved

they are a solid 3rd-4th constructor

west sleet Sep 20, 2023, 11:22 AM

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aston martin have dropped off from where they were

regal panther Sep 20, 2023, 11:22 AM

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west sleet aston martin have dropped off from where they were

as a constructor yes. as an individual performance they have never been better

west sleet Sep 20, 2023, 11:22 AM

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well

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alonso yes

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stroll no

regal panther Sep 20, 2023, 11:22 AM

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not lance

west sleet Sep 20, 2023, 11:23 AM

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Alonso has been inconsistent lately though

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and i blame the team not him

regal panther Sep 20, 2023, 11:23 AM

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he is doing wonders with a POS aston

west sleet Sep 20, 2023, 11:23 AM

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Stroll is lucky his daddy owns that team

regal panther Sep 20, 2023, 11:24 AM

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west sleet Stroll is lucky his daddy owns that team

at some point even i would be embarrassed by that

west sleet Sep 20, 2023, 11:24 AM

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yeahhhhh...

regal panther Sep 20, 2023, 11:25 AM

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i think his dad is gonna cut his losses soon

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and sell the team

kind hinge Sep 20, 2023, 11:25 AM

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nah lawrence is very invested in aston

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stroll should get dropped though

west sleet Sep 20, 2023, 11:25 AM

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he's just not performing well enough

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for Alonso to have 170 points and Stroll to have 47 points

regal panther Sep 20, 2023, 11:26 AM

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thats a motivation crusher

west sleet Sep 20, 2023, 11:27 AM

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i'm sure he's thinking about it

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he was really pushing when he put himself in the wall

regal panther Sep 20, 2023, 11:28 AM

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proves he isnt in control of the car and needs all the input from the principles

west sleet Sep 20, 2023, 11:31 AM

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Sargeant is probably on thin ice too

regal panther Sep 20, 2023, 11:31 AM

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williams itself is on thin ice

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they need tons of money for r&d to keep up

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and i dont see alot of sponsors on the car

west sleet Sep 20, 2023, 11:32 AM

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doesn’t help when their driver is costing them a lot

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and isn’t scoring points

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Albon carrying

kind hinge Sep 20, 2023, 11:32 AM

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williams can get pole at vegas

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that car is ridiculous in a straight line

west sleet Sep 20, 2023, 11:33 AM

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Sargeant will just deck it into a wall in Vegas

regal panther Sep 20, 2023, 11:33 AM

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kind hinge that car is ridiculous in a straight line

the trick is they need to turn sometimes

warped prawn Sep 20, 2023, 11:37 AM

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There are rumours of Drugovich trying very hard for Logan's seat. He's been in contact with Williams apparently

regal panther Sep 20, 2023, 11:37 AM

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anything is better than logan at the moment

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