#Eras Tour Spoiler-Free Discussion
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they still have 1.8 million tickets left
source?
i lost it but someone made a spreadsheet
it showed the capacity of each stadium
and how many people bought presale tickets
idk how this tour could have 30% more seats than rep
she has more dates than rep
she has like 57 dates i think?
oh
more demand ig
she hasnāt toured since rep so
and a lot of new fans from covid
doesn't explain more seats tho :/
rep had about 3m attendance with 1 more show than eras has currently
eras has already sold over 2m
i think she may be using a few higher capacity stadiums
a lot of them are the same
rep was a stadium tour
she's been at my same venue for over a decade
sheās doing a lot of SoFi for example
and that can seat up to 100k with pit
that's not much bigger than her previous stadium
and sheās doing like 5 LA shows
there is no pit
it says expandable
eras show has no pit
I'm so happy for you! That's such a heartwarming story that you can get tickets now. Enjoy the Eras Tour!
Private businesses retain every right to deny service at their own discretion as long as itās not discriminatory towards a protected group ā the legal issues theyāre facing are surrounding their monopoly and hidden fees
In regards to stadium capacity are people keeping in mind that for a show it'll probably not be like 100k etc
Cause keep in mind yes these stadiums can do huge capacity but not all seats are open
yeah they did, with that there were only like 700k seats left for general sale altogether iirc
i'll see if i can find the tweet
PLS READ WHOLE THREAD BEFORE COMMENTING!! i calculated some numbers from reputation tour to estimate how many tickets are being sold for eras tour and explained thoroughly below. but it boils down to this: if 2.3mil tix have been sold, there are, at most, 700k tix for gen saleš«
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hmmm so their numbers is pointing to like mentioned there should be at worse: 500k seats left
And all of those are gonna go to resellers 
Like thereās no fucking way TM tries to brave the waters w/ general sale after this mess
Shouldn't there also be a lot of tickets for promotional purposes
Like sweepstakes or giveaways
Typically a show or venue has like a couple percentage of the capacity allocated for that stuff
Yea but I doubt there gonna allot that much?
Yeah but at this point, every percentage point matters
If 1% of every venue is reserved for promotion, that's 25,000 tickets unavailable for purchase
I think they are planning something for the tickets of the general sale
I think ur giving TM too much credit lmao
^
according to them, the pause of general sale was only temporary
but also according to them verified fans was to negate bots, and according to them the demand was 'unprecedented', and according to them the sky's probably neon green
"tomorrow's public on-sale for Taylor Swift | The Eras Tour has been cancelled"
there isn't any, 'public on-sale' is the general sale
These should've all just been lottery
the emphasis is on "tomorrow's", which doesn't mean it's cancelled indefinitely, and there may be a general sale at a later date
It's funner that way
Instead of randomly chosen people based on signups for a location based on pledged purchases or some shit
SO wait I don't understand
Is the tour sold out or not
I donāt think anyone knows for sure
Not completely, but I donāt think the remaining tickets are gonna be released in an officially announced on-sale
A ton of remaining tickets were sold yesterday to venue season ticket holders, so the stock is even lower than it was
Best case scenario, the remain tickets are released intermittently and unannounced
Since announcing an on-sale for so few tickets (weāre talking like 300,000 for every show in the US), would overload their systems for virtually no point
Or, it's all part of Mr Beast's next video
I INVITED 1000 SWIFTIES IN A TOURNAMENT OF CHAMPIONS FOR VIP TICKETS AND ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS STAY IN THIS ROOM
THE LAST 13 PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM WILL EACH GET 5 VIP TICKETS TO THE UPCOMING ERAS TOUR
Hour 4: "I will give you $500 right now to walk away"
*14 MILLION SWIFTIES
Hour 7: "Everyone pick an Taylor album. Whoever chooses the least popular answer gets eliminated"
Hour 15: "Everyone form groups of 13 and sings. Whoever is the worst singer in each group gets eliminated"
Hour 22: "In the other room right now is Olivia Rodrigo. You can meet her right now if you leave the room"
I donāt like Olivia so that would be easy lmao
Be thankful if she even plays it as a surprise song
She has never sang it liveš
My hot take of the day is I donāt like the 10 min version of ATW so Iām hoping she does the regular
She wonāt tho. Queen
Haha it was just a joke Iāll be happy if I can even go and if I canāt get tickets Iāll still be happy with all the content and videos of others !!
The thing with me is I really love atw10 and think its overall better but I prefer atw5 instrumentation
Ofc!I was just joking too,i'll be happy if I get tickets too hahahah
It just feels so bloated
The original is perfect in terms to pacing build up and itās ruined by this weird verse right in the middle of the build up
Itās like bad foreplay from someone who wants to know what theyāre doing but isnāt quite sure. Just get to it already
Are they done selling tickets
Ya
So there is no hope?
No hope unless you get resales
Wait for resales to go down
Resales are just ugh
resales will come down
I think I saw somebody on Twitter yesterday who messaged Ticketmaster and said they cancellation was temporary? Unless that's wrong, lol
I thought they postponed it
Resale will still cost more
Ticketmaster can't do anything right
Did Taylor ever speak out
Omg literally rn theres an add for the C1 āget access to Taylor swift tickets with a venture card!!ā
On the radio
They could add more shows to compensate for the demand but I don't know how Taylor would feel about that
that's already a fuck ton of shows lol
Ikr
Iām gonna lose it
But that's what Michael Jackson did I think
I dont think Taylor cares. She got a paycheck
She should because most of us are breaking our backs to get these tickets smh
But a paycheck is a paycheck
well hopefully she sees the struggle
but she still is one person
you can't pull all this on her when it was done through ticketmaster
ticketmaster is very powerful
very poor on their part
Over 14 Million people tried buying
Oh my gosh
Well at least joined from what I know
I wonder if she's doing international tours
i got a seat but it's in the nosebleeds and im kind of afraid of sitting there lol
It sucks for people who werent chosen for presale or didnt have a c1 card. They had 0% chance at tickets
^
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exactly, there are people who signed up and didnt get in presale and never even got tickets
Got floor seats!
lucky 
Congratulations! š„³š„³š„³š„³
I was in queue for 5 hours, missed sleep after my night shift, and it was sold out when it was finally my turn in queue
Most people aren't even Swifties and just know Rep or something
I really hope more dates are added to allow for more people to get tickets
I was in it around 2 am and kept alarms to keep it on
So my laptop would shut down and leave
Still didn't get in
yeah i waited 5.5 hours for nosebleeds lol
but im grateful to have tickets
just hope i can get back to USA and attend š
So how will people who didnāt get tickets attend the shows? This is really so messed up and unfair.
I hope the mods make a separate discussion post for eras tour for people who did get tickets.
So you all can be happy and celebrate together and not see us all being heartbroken š
Bruh, I just checked stubhub and people are selling tickets in the 200s for $900????
So true
Or cowboy like me
The 100ās were face value of $209 thats insane
I think the 100s are selling for a thousand dollars š³
It is insane. I looked out of curiosity and nosebleeds are like 1200 a pop in atlanta
Dumbos
Well there is no way to get tickets now so its buy it at that price or dont go sadly
Stadiums might have box offices open to sell the remaining tickets
Weāll hopefully get more info eventually
my 100s were more like $280 face value not including fees
Thats interesting. I was seeing $209 consistently.
I wonder if dynamic pricing was enabled
Ykw
I'm going to get a friend to zoom me there cause heck I wanna go
I'd rather go Virtually than not at all
Got poppers and everything and decorate the house
maybe she could release a special
Thats fair, and congrats on your tickets
the ones back the back will be cheaper than the 100s at the front
Bam
I saw floor for like 24k last night
Like Charlie XCX event with Stranger things
Iām entering my villain era
Something like that at least but man we can all agree ticketmaster messed us all up
My bossā daughters got tickets
Nice!
They deserve it tho, their mom died this year
I'm just happy for those who managed to get them!
Is it possible for there to be two era tour discussion threads?
One for people to rant and be sad one for people to celebrate tickets and be happy?
Glad they got some
lol
Lol
you're talking about the same ticketmaster that said 15% of people issued problems and you think they have tickets left lmao no
@grave lake
i mean idk if there's really a reason to have two threads
I feel like it could just be two different vibes.
Like having a separate playlist for all to well vibes or bejeweled vibes
idk why everyone is expecting taylor to say something. a) itās not her fault, itās ticketmasterās, and b) she is probably legally bound to not say anything negative about it
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRQ5m76W/ idk if this has been posted already
700k minus how many were sold in the private sale yesterday
thatās still around 10k ish seats left per show
whoaaaaa this is gross
This whole war between the rich and the poor is getting pretty fucking old.
Only one side thinks there needs to be change. The other wants it to be just the way it always has been.
https://twitter.com/theswiftsociety/status/1593625079207890945?s=46&t=oEp-cFLPI_K-JTc1_RqhRg PERIOD AH
WE WON SWIFIES
YESSS
FREEDOMMMMM

atp taylor Swift better bring out ariana grande The Weeknd Olivia rodigao Selena Gómez conan grey and Nicki minaj
I mean weāll see. Thereās a good chance nothing major will come from that investigation. Not to be a downer but it takes a lot of political willpower to actually change anything.
yeah
Taylor swift should sing selena for a apology
At the very least I hope this scared Ticketmaster into doing better
in the usa you have to buy them from people. i guess taylor can't really say anything to ticketmaster. it's her choice to say something
Are there groups out there for people going to specific tour dates? Iām looking for more Atalanta swifties
this doesnāt mean anything š
yāall keep forgetting about facebook
the government has already tried to break up monopolies and it doesnāt work
unfortunately
anna oop
the government has already tried to break up monopolies and it doesnāt work
1911 exists my dude
I went for when they actually used it
huh
Standard Oil Co. of New Jersey v. United States, 221 U.S. 1 (1910), was a case in which the Supreme Court of the United States found Standard Oil Co. of New Jersey guilty of monopolizing the petroleum industry through a series of abusive and anticompetitive actions. The Court's remedy was to divide Standard Oil into several geographically separa...
okay that still doesnāt rly disprove what i said like⦠the government tried to break up facebook and all they had to do was rebrand
We have anti-trust backing is the point though, itās been done before
What are you talking about
The case isn't even settled yet
The trial is December 2023 or later
Do you guys think Taylor will issue a statement about this whole thing?
nope
Probably not
honestly taylor pissing me off this entire era has just been a huge money grab and all she can do is complain ab how red tv didnāt get a grammy nomination
I feel really bad for her, she has nothing to do at some point. Demand is insane, and considering she's a literal human she can't add like a 100 shows
This era hasnāt been anymore of a money grab than the last 5 tbh
this entire era
Joke's on you, this has been the case since 1989
There will always be people not getting tickets
It just got progressively worse as time marched on
i mean at least we got singles for her other ones
Yāall remember the 8 folklore variants? Like bffr
what are you on? she never complained about red tv not getting noms?
We have singles for midnights too lmfao
So? People buy what they want to
she didnāt release a single before album release
Same with Midnights variants
Folklore and evermore, who both had multiple variants without a single release beforehand:
5 polaroid sets, 2 magazines, 7 lover diaries, 8 folklore variants, more evermore variants, 4 midnights variants
Iām not judging lmao Iām just saying this album cycle is no different than the ones in the past
The entire re-record controversy
The removal of her songs on Spotify for a few years
Like this is just how she is idk why people are deciding to get mad about it now
Sorry, I misunderstood it
they were also released like what a day after announced
What are we listing these for Bianca?
This effects it how? Still asking people to buy the album without having heard it before
Replying to this:
this entire era has just been a huge money grab
Basically, it's always been this way and just getting progressively worse
miss capitaylism
This era is the worst yet with how many vinyl variants there are
This is just business
Don't forget those 5 remixes of Anti-Hero and counting
folklore tho had like 8 right
There are less vinyl variants than folklore had though tbf
For now
this has....5?
get that bag queen
Idk this just shouldnāt be as surprising as it is for people this is just how her album cycles are
i think its gotten progressively worse, magnified by the increased social media lense as time goes by
You can also include the Special Edition vinyls as separate variants tbh cause of the fomo hand-signed blah blah blah
itās just disappointing
We stan a capitalistic money-loving queen
but also eat the rich
sheās a multimillionaire itās okay to question her capitalist schemes
she has a >$0 networth its okay to question her capitalist schemes cries in negative networth
she has to pay tons and tons of ppl to put on these shows and create the merch. its not like its just her
and the stadiums
we know but this doesnt just apply to the shows
Okay so I just looked it up and there are 4 billionaire musicians at the moment. One of them is definitely shitty (Jay-Z) but idk enough about the other three to say they're indefensible yet.
billionaires shouldnāt exist
Rihanna does co-own Tidal but idk enough about Fenty
Andrew Lloyd Webber is understandable that he's a billionaire
i wonder when sheāll post or address this situation either with āitās out of my handsā or āplease waitā or at least something
Dude's just cracked at making musicals like no one's business
rihanna should be cancelled
maybe in a week when things calm down??
why
putting johnny debt in her show
Who?
Is this some new artist I don't know
Rihanna is the richest female artist rn.. with her music and fenty lines
bye
Johnny Depp is a cool guy for the most part as far as I'm concerned
How is Paul McCartney a billionaire

Is it purely for the Beatles masters?
yeah, publishing deals etc
debt š
Whatās the latest
Gimme a sec
brother owes like 100m
Whatās the latest
taxes
So just from solo tours, Paul McCartney has done 659 shows his life thus far
that doesnt seem like that much
arent there like over 50 shows per tour
thats an average of like 21 shows per year since he started solo touring
one every 2-3 weeks
im gonna be honest
Then if you count non-solo tours or one-off shows
idek what paul mccartney does, like ik music but ive never heard one of his songs ever
SKJDFNSDK
You surly have
You must be a youngin' then
are you a teenager
unless he just writes for other artists
sadly
Even teens have heard Beatles.
thatll do it
i am a beatles hater
My brothers are 15 and 17 and they def know the beatles.
omg š
Yeah he was one of the beatles
Okay so
rihanna and kanye made him famous with fourfiveseconds š
Paul McCartney has done 650 shows solo, 330 in one-offs or with other artists, 143 with the band With Wings and 1400 shows with the Beatles
omg i forgot ab that song
So Paul McCartney, starting with the Beatles, has performed about 2500 times
That's a show every 9 days for the last 60 years
sheesh
a king
Wow
i guess we know she isnt working with ticket master anymore š
Bear Attacks? OK
its giving wanegbt
where do you get that
I mean y'all did go through hell
she didnt say shes not working with them anymore
she can't have a tour at the places she's booked, and not work with them
she needs ticketmaster to perform at stadiums
she's probably hoping for them to get into legal trouble, like the rest of us, but she can't say that
i mean like after the tour
still
lol
pictured: Eras tour bear attack
kjsdndf
Not sure if it was in contention but 2.4 million was the total sold
How many seats for sale were there total? Do we have an estimate?
i think the only "number" we had so far was the "over 2 million" TM said yesterday
I saw a tiktok doing the math but forgot sorry bro
I saw a Tweet that had a good estimate. It's how I would've estimated it.
PLS READ WHOLE THREAD BEFORE COMMENTING!! i calculated some numbers from reputation tour to estimate how many tickets are being sold for eras tour and explained thoroughly below. but it boils down to this: if 2.3mil tix have been sold, there are, at most, 700k tix for gen saleš«
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Yeah that
so, with 2.4m and that person's math, 600k tickets left before any other sales
Basically, it stated that Rep tour on average used 78% of a location's maximum capacity. If you were to use that same number for all the listed venues on the Eras tour so far that weren't already in the Rep where you carry over the past capacity, you'd have 2.7 million tickets.
was 2.4m including the sales from yesterday? i would assume so at this point
So 2.4 million tickets sold according to Taylor means there's 300k tickets that have been or will be distributed by other means or have yet to be
It's a good estimate
can i have two for my two loverfest tickets š§āāļø ill take any show
how will they even release those tickets??? itāll be a blood bath ;-;
If I had to guess, a good portion of them are promotional
i.e. brand sponsors, radio shows, influencer giveaways etc etc
My guess is sporadic online releases, promotions, and maybe a small amount at the box offices
And things like employee sales and stuff
do you think sheāll add shows for LA since itās the last stop for NA.. like two shows the week after
I donāt think she will be adding anymore shows to this leg of tour
Luna hear me out
Another, shorter US leg after intl dates if anything
What if she just does 100 shows in the same venue
so basically a vegas-style residency?
It's not a tour, it's a residency
^^^^^
But instead of a 5k seater it's a 50k concert venue
5 months at sofi
that would be BAD for my wallet
That's 5 million tickets
not to compare bc itās situational, but harry did 15 shows in LA..
i already spent too much on tay š
Luna, you don't have to go to every single one
You haven't even given me a Chicken Nugget Budget
what is this
this way it doesnāt interfere with her cities and also ppl come to LA often for holidays
gotta be careful thought. That residency could cause a major burnout
also itās just me hoping and making myself feel better
You say that as if 52 shows over 5 months while moving from place to place isn't a similar amount of burnout
hmm
Plus, if you don't move, the amount of overhead drastically reduces so the profit margins increase
it's probably going to have to be somewhere that has very high hotel availability for a long term if people are going to fill them up for an entire year
Taylor would love that
it's already painful to get a hotel on the tour dates already
Vegas would be nice considering they have around 150,000 hotel rooms. At the same time, some people prefer to avoid the city.
yeah, that's why i'm seeing her in vegas for my early tour show lol, i figured it would be logistically easier than trying for glendale
i just hope she cares the same amount when it comes to serving the other 7.7 billion people on earth
Awww thank you! That means a lot!! šš
yeah i can't really see her adding too much more to do this US leg but as someone else said maybe come back later on to do more US dates
i reserved our hotel in NJ nearly as soon as we decided to go so i could avoid the price gouge 
Imagine how much more brutal the process would be had she not added the 17 shows
Hi everyone, Iāve just joined this sub so please let me know if this is the wrong channel for this question. I wasnāt able to get tickets during the presale. At this point Iām trying to get resold tickets. Are the ones on drubbing guaranteed to be genuine?
Especially with pent-up demand and not being on-tour for several years putting pressure on avalible supply.
I would advise being careful buying tickets through third-party resellers. Especially with the risk of counterfeit tickets higher for this tour.
the way she said "going through several bear attacks" sound like a easter egg
yes, in her personal message to fans about how they felt scammed and duped by the sale of her tour tickets, she sneakily hinted at her next album ābear attackā. mastermind!
Is there any site you recommend aside from it, or tips for telling how the tickets are real? Countless scammers have messaged me on Twitter and I just hate how theyāre taking advantage like this ):
Personally, I don't recommend any ticket resale websites unless it is directly from Ticketmaster themselves.
I know friends who bought tickets to a show from Stubhub and they were counterfeit. Nothing can be done. There isn't any way to tell if it is real or counterfeit until it is scanned on the day of the event.
I can understand your frustrations knowing I know many people in the same boat.
Thank you for taking the time to respond. That is⦠extremely disheartening haha. Iām sorry your friends experienced that. Thank you for your help
As an international Swiftie, kinda glad the US did a test run to check demand.
Hope when it's our turn, it wouldn't be that bad š
I think it is better to give the honest truth. Especially the last thing you want is to buy counterfeit tickets and not be able to attend.
It'll be bad but we dont have Ticketmaster
international will not be like this because she wont let this happen again
hopefully
I agree! I really appreciate you taking the time to type all that out too haha. Thankful for this community
Incase you havenāt seen it yet, Taylor is pretty pissed off with the entire fanbase right now because of their behavior at this whole ticket dilemma. š
The last part of Taylorās thing made me tear up even tho I got tickets. Sheās just a girl who writes songs and wants to sing them with her fans
Sheās not pissed off at the fan base !! Wtf ru on hahaha
She literally says they asked Ticketmaster and were reassured they could handle the demand. Itās excruciating to watch her fans fight for tickets and be sad about them is what sheās saying.
she's pissed at ticketmaster, not the fanbase
Yeah idk why this persons saying sheās pissed at the fans. None of that message says that at all
Taylor is pretty pissed off with the entire fanbase
The preposition used was with, not at
Though, it is rhetorically used similarly
That means the same thing
Bad grammar, I guess
Your pissed with people or at people same thing
Sheās not
Literally says she hopes they can basically do more shows
Without makin promises yet probably
How in the world did you interpret this as her being pissed at fans š
"because of their behavior at this whole ticket dilemma" yeah I don't think Feral Cat was talking about being pissed alongside the fans
I'm glad she finally said something. Still in bummertown here though lol
When u say bc of the behavior of ticket dilemma sounds like how the fans r handling the dilemma not Ticketmaster u know
i agree w u. I think Feral Cat was trippin
I mean maybe ur right but
im glad she finally addressed it
it will take a while for this to calm down but it's a start
Thereās still a couple of months until the tour kicks off. Hopefully in that time theyāll have figured something out
I hope so we tried to get tickets but failed
No not the same thing, āwithā could mean thatās pissed off with us as a collective like she too is pissed off at TM WITH us
WeLoveYouTaylor hashtag is trending on twitter 
Finally people came to their senses
emotions r weird ngl
I just saw but omg thank god she said something and shame on ticketmaster for saying they could handle the demand when they knew they were full on lying
Im trying to sell my nosebleeds cause i ended up getting better seats but seatgeek is telling me i cant sell them! what the heck
you could try like i think there's FB groups of trying to get tickets to people who want them etc
i think twitter too
not here though but like there are places
I guess id have to give up my account to whoever buys them? not sure
Seat geek told me this
wild
Iām not trying to go to 2 shows lol
nah you just need to transfer them to whoever
ok i found the option ty
Which show? I have two friends trying for nosebleeds to KC without spending $500 each. š
Arlington
Ah okay. š
hold up...she's not pissed at the fan base. She pissed at ticketmaster as she says "its really difficult for me to trust on outside entities"
how on earth could you read that statement and take it as her being annoyed at the fans
exactly 
Hey guys, first time going to a Taylor Swift concert (or anyone large for that matter). Any tips on what to bring and what to expect from the venue or fans? What are fun things that I can bring? Coming for her Chicago show.
make sure to read the email with info that you will get sent near the concert to get prepared
go to the venue about an hour early
expect it to be LOUUD and lots of hype
if you don't mind can i move you into the lil help thread @lean stream cause i can try to give ya as many like tips etc
@grave lake sure!
SETLIST LEAK
Lol
be mindful of the bag policy: https://www.soldierfield.com/plan-your-visit/bag-policy
Just all antihero remixes
i actually enjoyed the anti hero remixes i will not lie
Sheās gonna release at least 6 more and do then in all the styles of the old eras. Country anti-hero next
i did not like the og anti hero tho š£
where's thug story in there
I saw that Taylor statement about ticketmaster earlier, I guess that unfortunately this entire issue will only delay the announcement of the international dates 
I'm sure she announced the US dates first to she could see what it would happen... Hopefully this won't happen in other countries too
And here I am, accumulating my anxiety about possible Brazilian dates and me panicking about getting my tickets asap (I was able to get my tickets pretty fast for Lover Fest) 
I doubt that the announcement of international dates would've been soon anyway since they're most likely in 2024
also there are probably alternatives to ticketmaster in a lot of international locations
i would rather the tickets issue gets sorted out before international tour anyway
its sad that we have to wait tho ngl
the fomo when the US shows start will be real
maybe she can announce international dates so people can plan, but wait to sell the tickets until they sort it out?
Whatā¦. Hypothetically⦠show do you have tickets for
I dont want to believe its true that I will never get Taylor tickets not from a scalper š
Arlington, i listed them on a third party site
Ah bummer. Although I think there are ppl here I know looking for arlington
This is really important here in Brazil, unfortunately international acts tend to go only to SĆ£o Paulo and/or Rio de Janeiro, at the absolute best they go to Belo Horizonte and Porto Alegre... And well, many ppl from other regions need to travel long distances and it's a lot more expensive for them
Announcing it now would be a lot better for those who need to travel long distances to book hotel rooms, get plane/bus tickets, plan all the costs for travel etc
Like, I myself am fortunate enough to live kinda close to SĆ£o Paulo city (which is the city that gets the most international concerts by far), but surely I'll need to get a bus excursion (there are some local companies that do that for concerts) to get to the concert and come back home
Unfortunately the last regular bus/subway time for my city is generally at 11pm ā
lol yeah
Fuck this
I wanted to go
Screw ticketmaster
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Iām sry for the cursing
I usually donāt
Iām just mad
nah you right fuck this fr
Hey guys. I saw a tiktok before my turn at the presale and it was a girl showing her ticket price and fees from her ticket master screen and the price was $349 for floor seats before tax and fees. She was in Massachusetts
But when I got on floor tickets for Seattle were $750 before tax & fees.
I was just curious if everyone had different prices for floor seats based on their city?
you are extremely valid
hugs if you'd like š«
it's because of dynamic pricing
Guys dynamic pricing was not on
i second that
real
sigh
Itās because of the different VIP packages and seating
VIP packages mostly
I bought seattle floor tickets
it was 349 each before fees, and about 425 after
Yah the cheapest vips were like 200 and that was bowl so there were def 350 floor
I got the itās been a long time coming one
But there were a lot of packages
feel bad for meš«¶š¾
Oh I see. Okay. When I finally got out of the queue that was have been all that was left then. Because most of the remaining seats were all orange dots. I thought that was just the price in general for floor seats.
Yes the orange ones were vip
The closer the more expensive and unique the package was
Congrats by the way!! I was trying to add my tickets into my cart and it kept displaying "error code: 0011" and please reattempt. I had no way of moving past that error code
yeah they were all orange when i got in to the site š¢
I'm devastated for what has happened with the ticket selling but at least it's something they'll fix for international tour dates
i'm sorry but there was dynamic pricing
it may have been for more popular dates or certain stadiums but there was for some people
idk how this is proof
because even when i went to buy tickets there was nothing under 600$ and i know people bought bowl seats for 2-300$ meaning the price increased
vip tickets went up to $900
plus if she didn't do it the articles would read taylor like ed opts out, instead they are taylor fans outraged she didn't turn it off
i have not seen a single piece of proof that is someone paying non vip above 500 w/o fees or paying above 900 for vip w/o fees
i'm pretty this comes from the fact that some people were able to get $49 nosebleeds and others had to pay closer 100 for the same seats.
and the assumption that prices were based off how close you were being how much you had to pay,
respectfully fully respect can you stop reposting that lmfao
it's okay just wait till tomorrow or something š
yessss š»
wow, she wont even promote ||anti-hero (cupcakke remix)|| š š
Wb u need to calm down remix
sorry no time to calm down
Its fine, we all love lovers shawn remix ā¤ļø (/j)
I'm seeing the US ticket prices here and I'm so damn worried about the prices here in Brazil š„¹
Okay that we have some stuff as half price tickets for students, disabled ppl (I fit that specific criteria) and elderly ppl, but even with the half price I guess it's gonna be like floor for 650 reais + fees (and regular floor ticket for 1300 reais) at best 
I prefer Lover solo
probably a bit more than that
We want to apologize to Taylor and all of her fans - especially those who had a terrible experience trying to purchase tickets. We feel we owe it to everyone to share some information to help explain what happened: https://t.co/1Gn4kRIvq8
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True, I guess I was being too optimistic with my guesses
wow they're really sticking with the 15% issues estimate huh
"taylor would need to perform over 900 stadium shows based on the traffic"... they reeeaaalllyyyyy want to shift the blame to the fans too
Is there any big event companies besides ticketmaster in the US/North America? Bc if they are the only ones it's really awful
i think tm pretty much is the monopoly
they are the only ones
the only other way would be for taylor to buy the venues for a night and sell the tickets herself
but i'm not sure she can do that depending on the contact with stadiums and ticketmaster
Wow... I mean, here in Brazil we have at least more than one (Time4Fun, the one responsible for Lover Fest, Eventim and some other ones I forgot the names now)
A monopoly like ticketmaster is really bad, the artists don't even have a choice in this case
i hate that TM is almost implying that it's taylor and the fans fault that there's SO many fans so their website crashed. why are they not holding themselves accountable for being susceptible to bot attacks? why didn't they modify their system to ask for code verification BEFORE joining the queue?
can we get some answers to what verified fan means because entering an email is not verified
Not that Brazilian big event companies are good either, but at least we have more than one to choose
i mean there are smaller ones but they could never handle the amount of people
That's what I thought, I'm sure that many of those ppl were bots and even many resellers trying to pose as fans for profit
also it was whos promoting taylor who asked to use ticketmaster because they thought they can handle it
exactly
and i understand that some fans might've wanted to check out the queue/tickets even though they're not verified and i can't blame them for trying but TM should've anticipated that and prepared for it by asking for the code early on.
Well considering the other 85% were probably bots, I guess thatās factualā¦
Wait isnāt this the same shit they posted the other day
hmm good point
You were not able to enter the queue for the Verified Fan presale unless your account was verified. There were no non-verified accounts in the queue on Tuesday.
The website received higher-than-anticipated traffic, and there were more Verified Fan accounts that showed up to enter the queue than Ticketmaster prepared for, but all accounts in the queue were Verified Fan accounts.
r we not allowed to curse here
You can curse here.
ok phew
who the fuck told you that
OHHHH that makes more sense!!!! I didnāt know that thatās what they meant
Is a shitty apology to me, but yes. Is an apology:
https://mobile.twitter.com/ticketmaster/status/1593816908742000640
They link to this page:
https://business.ticketmaster.com/business-solutions/taylor-swift-the-eras-tour-onsale-explained/
We want to apologize to Taylor and all of her fans - especially those who had a terrible experience trying to purchase tickets. We feel we owe it to everyone to share some information to help explain what happened: https://t.co/1Gn4kRIvq8
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About Dynamic Pricing. This article says Taylor Swift didn't have dynamic pricing on:
https://www.nj.com/opinion/2022/11/springsteen-finally-comments-on-ticket-price-controversy-he-must-be-joking-opinion.html?outputType=amp
People donāt understand what dynamic pricing is. It was off for the sale. The expensive seats were VIP reserved seats and thatās why they cost more. Dynamic pricing means an algorithm is changing the price BY THE MINUTE according to demand. This was not that. Prices were based on seat and then vip level. If they were dynamic every single ticket would have been $800+
Yes. I know dynamic wasn't on. But still people said the same place changed a few
My b I was replying to you but it was a general statement. Your post just triggered me cuz Iāve had to say this to like 25 different swifties at this point.
I think people were just caught off guard by how expensive it is in general. But dynamic would have been much worse
Someone said it was dynamic pricing because they looked at the cost of a normal seat vs a VIP seat and then a lot of people just ran with it and are saying it was dynamic pricing
But I still did find it kinda wild that someone said a seat in the last row was 149
Even if it was a rly good angle. It was nosebleed

But no pic so maybe they saw wrong bc I canāt believe itād be 149 if it starts at 49
Holy shit 31? Go figure theyāre all Dems š
Thatās great though
I love that my party loves Taylor swift
Knowing TM it was probably close to a bathroom or concession stand or some bs. Maybe an aisle seat? I donāt think there were a lot of $49 tickets which seemed confusing for many.
I see!!! Yea maybe aisle !
Is there any good websites for resale or should we just trust nothing?
Waiting is the better for now. At this moments the prices are high. They will go down
That smart, but any good websites?
Iām just worried theyāll all sell out bc at this point I canāt trust TM
There are several reselling websites. Ticketmaster has its own verified reselling but i didn't use it. So i don't know
That somehow doesnāt suit my needs
Okay thx though
TM and seatgeek which I think are both the same company
I think now a lot of people are annoyed that VIP wasnāt an option it was forced and it doubled the ticket you bought
"a band called blink" bro the disrespect š
seeing that comment turned me into the old man gif
OMG the youngins these days
Omg...the Blink-182 disrespect...
Nice, one of the reps is from my state
Itāll be interesting to see the outcome of all of this
And reportedly TS opted out of DP, which would make sense seeing the tweet about Springsteen saying his seats went up by thousands in seconds
Blink-182
hi new friends, does anyone know if gillette charged more for tickets? someone on tiktok said they had higher pricing, but i canāt find anything to confirm that
i paid $539 for non vip tickets š
For one ticket?
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not verified fan
Yeah that sounds beyond the stated range
but this price suggests that dynamic pricing was on
Non-VIP was supposed to go from $100-$500
but someone argued with me that it wasnāt and the venue changed more
so idk what is true
I just watched Caitlinās video and she had seats come up for 99 upwards there
The thing is is that we know what dynamic pricing looks like from other events
And about the VIP. I think that the VIP need a physical space already reserved for that.
So the "general ticket" goes with the "general sale".
And you can't put the VIP at the last time or put a dynamic amount of VIPs the same you can't make the Capital One seats be a variable amount.
guys did you saw ticketmaster apologized to swifties on twitter
omg no, no way it went well
Nah, that's the 15% tweet
Was A9 floor?
Iām scared for the Europeans sale for tickets
yeah, itās floor
people were bashing ticketmaster left and right lmao
OMG I found it, it's a whole write up
Then no, you didnāt over pay lol
Think floor from what I saw started at 300
i thought that was the range so i was confused
It also depends on venue, but it definitely wasnāt dynamic pricing.
Even when a high demand onsale goes flawlessly from a tech perspective, many fans are left empty handed.
when does that happen?
I was under the impression ticketmaster is always shit
I like how they upload the same article they did from Thursday that was deleted
NO, not the same article LMAO
It is
All the time. But that doesn't mean it had to be the way it ended up being.
yup and now its confirmed
OMG this whole thing is such a shit show
I canāt wait to see the outcome š
Anyway uhh, here's what I've been able to find
i do NOT accept ur apology
Ticketmastwr needs to be dissolved or something
EXACTLY, to compensate they should give us free tickets
Only way to do it is if the government does it, since they are the ones that let them merge in 2010
right!! i expect front row floor tix and my money back
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yeah we deserve
I feel like the ones that had been. Resales for 30k shouldnāt they be able to remove them from said person who bought them and put them back up for sale so theyāre not wasted and around for a scalper?
It's like, apology sure (assuming if it were honest). But they're just going to do it again unless they're stopped! So you're not sorry
you are not sorry swifties version
thatās what Iām hoping will happen
Bruce Springsteen used dynamic pricing and a bunch of places report that those tickets went for as high as $4,000
Not my state fair trying to compare themselves to Taylor š
Now, since Ticketmaster themselves have mentioned that the demand for Taylor Swift tickets was absolutely unprecedented, if she were to use dynamic pricing, we would definitely have seen tickets in the 5-figures pre-resale
Definitely
We love her for opting out and I apologize to her for not understanding what DP wasš
I thought she did use DP, so I'm sorry for anything I might have said while under that assumption
Same lmfao
Moreover, I've been reading that tickets subject to dynamic pricing under Ticketmaster are called "Platinum Tickets" and we've not had that nomenclature used at all in this whole debacle.
Oh really? We had platinum tickets for Harry Styles next year š„°š„°š„°š„°š„°š„°
I could be wrong
But either way, there's a severe lack of evidence with regards to the use of Dynamic Pricing
I donāt want a TM apology, I want the employees responsible to fight in the same queue for their paychecks
If Bruce Springsteen's tour's dynamic pricing pushed prices to $4,000 per ticket, why haven't we heard the same pricepoint or higher from Taylor Swift's tour?
yeah platinum pricing is basically ticketmaster scalping their own tickets and putting them up for way more
example given: tickets in say a close row and section going for way way more vs a normal seat
I looked it up. The information for the Platin Ticket says its dynamic prices.
And it doesn't for the others?
⬠is the same as $ right now, just as a comparison
Like, just to be sure
I found nothing about this, no.
The normal ticket prices never changed. But after the first tickets were sold on the presale, they released those āplatin ticketsā which is not vip btw
Yeah, that's in line from what I read regarding Bruce Springsteen's tour
lemme try to break it down
Only the Platinum Tickets had dynamic pricing
platinum pricing is TM themselves putting tickets up and charging them at a premium cause they are close row seats etc
This is disgusting
dynamic pricing is basically by demand they can up a price
so for paramore a standard admission GA floor ticket was like $175 with fees
15-25 mins later
it was $195 with fees
Platinum ticket is basically the same ticket I bought for harry just 100 bucks more.
taylorbowl prices be like
What is Taylorbowl? I only know TStorage

The way theyāre forgetting vip was 200-900
but those were set prices before the sale
I mean they were priced in the ranges she said
oh lmao
I think the highest I can remember seeing were 700something. There was like one single vip floor ticket sitting there lmfaoo
Yeah, if dynamic pricing was on her prices would be upwards of $1k by the time anyone got on
the ones almost behind the stage at my venue were 49 99 and 129 I saw all three
Slay
It was a shitty apology tbh
I just looked on stub hub and the resales are expensive-
Idk what Iām gonna do tbh
Iām pretty sure it was dynamic pricing but not as bad as like jumping up thousands of dollars, the first presale for MetLife the lowest was 55$ instead of 49$ which is totally fine
Bad PR. Like so bad is difficult they do that bad of a PR.
They just rewrote it to add a more sympathetic approach lol
Anyone know if SeatGeek tickets can get transferred
They can be transferred
iām late to announce but i got ticketss
took 3 and a half hours and ignoring what i thought was a carbon monoxide detector and another 3 hours of capitol one but ticketss
and no ticketmaster i do not accept your apology
LMAO
fr tho like i wouldnāt care that theyāre a monopoly of their site wasnāt terrible
is it true thst the reason they cancelled presale is cuz they gave the rest of the tickets thst were left to scalpers
oh and i forgot to add iām flying across the country for the concert š
is it true thst the reason they cancelled presale is cuz they gave the rest of the tickets thst were left to scalpers
That implies that there were any left which it's likely there aren't. Effectively the entire supply was sold
Basically there are very very few tickets left
but what did they do with the few that were left?
i read it from a cnn article that they save tickets to sell to resale.
I mean, I'm not sure about the veracity of that
I believe the methodology is that Ticketmaster doesn't care that scalpers have hundreds of accounts
I don't think they can reserve some for scalpers
the cancelled general sale on thursday yet still had presale that day for some stadium ticket holders lol
and then they reserve a bunch for radio giveaways, etc
ticketmaster does have insider scalpers though. its gross
how do yk she's going to brazil?
Probably extrapolating cause Lover had a Brazil stop
Tbh there wouldnāt have been enough tickets left to save š
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yall i did the math and there are roughly 2.7 million tickets available for this tour and ticketmaster said they gave away 1.5 million code, with each code being able to buy up to 6 tickets no wonder why they all sold out. i would've rather they gave out less codes for both presales and gave everyone a chance at both the presales and the general onsale š
to only sell about 30% of tickets at presales, with each code able to buy 6 tickets, they should have gave away a total of ~150,000 codes and the capital one presale shouldve never been a thing because the have millions of customers, they should've done a verified fan registration for capital one holders only
Ticketmaster being stupid amirite
Wouldāve, Couldāve, Shouldāve
yeah TM said that all the tickets were bought up during presale
so if you want tickets you're gonna have to buy it from a reseller or someone you know, some radio shows are doing contests tho idk
They said in their statement something like ānormally only 40% of registered fans show up for presale and only buy 3 tickets each on average.ā But obviously the numbers were much higher here
Which explains why they were so comfortable handing out 1.5 mil codes. Still a dumb system
exactly, and ive heard of """swifties""" in my area who bought all 6 tickets regardless of how many ppl they were going with
for the purpose of reselling
Iāve seen a lot of that too. Not one was an actual fan, just rich kids jumping on the bandwagon.
Well passive fans at most
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity
I think Swifties that bought 6 honestly thought they were taking it away from scalpers because they were themselves not scalpers, they were Swifties.
Iām sure some did
this girl in my one class said a girl she knew bought all 6 tickets and had her dad buy another 6 with his code, all for the purpose of reselling
they were gonna use 2-3 tickets for themselves, but still
i think ticket prices will eventually drop after christmas when they realize no one is playing $800 for nosebleeds
Iām worried wealthy families who didnāt bother with the presale will scoop them up for their kids/teens but hopefully.
that'll be before the holidays, and once all those parents already bought their tickets and sales at those price points die down they'll eventually drop them
and for most tours, prices go down the closer you get to the actual date
Idk yet, but the chances are very high bc of the Lover Fest concerts she scheduled and unfortunately were cancelled due to covid
i wanna go to the new jersey one but its so expensive
the cheapest reselled one is like 800 and very far away from the stage
theres no way my mom would agree lol
I remember when I managed to do 1989 World Tour and Reputation Stadium Tour for just under $300/night after fees for each ticket.
$800 is a lot for a ticket. Especially far away from the stage.
I would suggest waiting til closer to the concert. Swifties will be reselling their tickets for fair prices if they can't make it
There's also a Facebook group called Taylor Swift Resell Group where actual swifties are reselling tickets to other swifties.
Admin requires PayPal goods and services being used and screenshots of the transaction I feel it's very safe and fair
ohh ty!
woww
Guys if you donāt know also, do NOT transfer VIP tickets cuz it will void out the package and you wonāt receive merch
Did you said that Taylor Swift was doing Dynamic pricing? Is ok. That day was confusing
i did. but because some nosebleeds were 49 and then some were closer to like 150.
that's the price range
thatās not what dynamic pricing is
Cuz some were priced for aisle seating
some were $49 because they were obstructed view and were behind the stage
i thought that the pricing was set based off sections so like all nosebleeds being 49 and then the price increased closer to the stage, but then i saw mixed pricing on all sections and assumed it increased due to dynamic pricing
Dynamic pricing means that the same seat can fluctuate by the minute acording to the amount of people accessing to the tickets in the whole Stadium
The supposed function of that is to increase the price in the first hand that is almost as expensive as a reseller, but the money goes all to the primary seller.
So that "discourages" the reselling and gives that similar money to "the artist".
The fluctuating prices makes that every seat increase in price and the other seats increase too at the same time.
The "static price" only is a gradient of different prices according to different positions in the stadium.
@storm nebula
Imagine the fluctuation of tickets in a stadium with 1M of people in queue. That could be 10K usd easily
then again me clowning because first concert i've actually tried to get tickets too
one hell of a first concert lol
Itās like playing in the major leagues your first time playing baseball š
i seen her during speak now but my mom always bought the tickets
99% of concerts are not this hard to get tickets to
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you just picked the final boss of ticket buying
i did not realize she was this bigš
I've been getting tickets to concerts for a long time and this is by far the worst experience
got lower bowl for philly!!
omg for how much???
and congratulations!!!!!
$300 ish each
yeah my floor seats were at $750 each, when others paid $349 (base price per ticket no fees/tax)
any vip ? or just floor
my city had $750 only
when I tried for blackpink tickets I did presale with all tickets being "official platinum" and they were ALL in the thousands it was insane
all the floor seats were only VIP that I saw. They were orange dots. Also the 100 level was almost all orange dots as well
we should
Yeah we should do a poll, how does one do it tho
Anyone going to Gillette night 1???
zero ideo
idea
Feeling nostalgic š
I miss folkmore...
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Well she was 16 š
This is so helpful!!! Youāre amazing
yes, I just feel horrible for people who donāt have tickets already š„¹
reminder: Iām still looking for some cities!!
I do too D: sending the best vibes for anyone entering giveaways!!
I'm still trying to manifest tickets, so thank you for this!
yessss ofc
can someone let me know what cities I donāt have yet
Iām trying to look for every city
That speak now with red dress.
If anyone sees any for KC let me know. I have tickets but my two swiftie friends donāt. š
Can someone explain to me dynamic pricing again
I'm looking at Ed Sheeran tickets and I'm just confused with the definition
dynamic pricing is simply that ticket price fluctuates in real time according to demand. it's normally controlled by algorithms
so if a date has a lot of traffic then the price would go up
So does that mean if its off, specific sections would be the same price regardless of rows? Eg if I want 200 section seats, they will all be the same price regardless of which part of 200 section in the same venue?
no because see that's what i thought I saw tickets at different prices in the same section. which is why i thought it was on
prices can be different in different seats in the same row for various reasons but they'll always be fixed unless they're upgraded to vip which is what happened in the eras presale
Is that different than what Ed Sheeran is doing? Because for his non dynamic, the seats in the same section regardless of the rows are all the same price
I thought so too comparing to what I saw with Ed Sheeran
I'm not too familiar with what happened for ed's so can't comment on that
but only this is dynamic pricing
I'm just blocking out the chat bubble but you can see with Ed's pricing in the same venue, all seats in 100 section are the same regardless of rows
And also regardless of which 100 section it is
Sorry forgot to @ you, so I'm just showing some screenshot of his tickets
Not just one stadium, I've seen at least two other stadium with the same consistent prices to this one
I feel you I spent a lot too
Yeah I took from my retirement for dis
I spent $2000 š (part of it is friends' tickets i'm letting them pay later tho)
But itās fine my bf has money
Dynamic pricing being off doesnāt mean that every seat in the same section will the the exact same price. Seats can be set at a higher price because of the aisle, a better angle, closer row, accessible seating, etc etc
I didnāt wanna tell my mom how much they actually cost so
Sheās in the dark & she wonāt give me more $ since she donāt know
And Iām fine
So it's different than Ed's system then?
Just to be happy lmao
Girl same, I took from my tuition saving
That just means that Ed set his pricing differently, not that the system is different
My mom said I shouldnāt spend that much basically
My bf seemed like he was pissed at me but he knew how much I wanted it so
He got over it and was cute š
I meant that means his general system is different then? Because all the sections are consistently priced. So he had non dynamic and also something else to keep it that way?
I HAD TO LIE TO MY MOM AVOUT HOW MUCH IT WAS š my bf was upset too
No, that just means when he set his prices he decided every seat in a section will be the same price, but when Taylor set her prices she decided that better seats would be more expensive
Lmao I didnāt lie I just said great value got ones totally worth it
The prices were still pre-determined
Which is true
In my opinion I was willing to spend 2.3k if I was front row & I almost did. I shouldāve been faster getting tickets
Oh that's what I meant, but yeah they had different thing going on but they both did non dynamic. I think I get it now
I had a set limit and I already went over it, I can't go any higher than I already spent š¬
And like Iām glad I didnāt spend that much at least and Iām still close cause I mean itāll still be dope
Same I'm close enough but not as close as I wanted
I made an outlandish limit for front row but everything else I wanted under 2k but yeah thatās for 2 I mean so my bad Iām an
Idiot
Basically my mom just didnāt wanna pay 1k
when it was giving errors i panicked and almost spend like 600+ im kinda glad i didnt
For just one ticket?
yes
Where was that seat š
in the 100s lower bowl i clicked on every ticket there was and tried to buy it and its just gave error after error
For once error worked in someone's favour
my total was 616 then it kicked me back queue
What did you end up getting
nothing š
Oh my god I'm so sorry
Hopefully resell or something else lucky would happen to you
ill look at resell or hope for the "all I can say is that my hope is to provide more opportunities for us to all get together and sing these songs." maybe another time
Hope it means something is being fixed behind the scene because it was an overall a bad situation
if not its just not my time to see her and thats okay
@storm nebula I'm sorry š have you been to any of her tours ?
Speak now
I didn't get to go to Speak Now I would have LOVED to see her ring that bell during Haunted !!!
I was in the same boat and ended up spending $900 for floor seats, I feel for anyone who couldnāt justify or afford that. I mean I canāt either but I have a cc. If it were literally any other artist I wouldnāt have bought them. Also so jealous you went to SN tour
i had a cc it just wouldnt give me tickets
and yes speak now was soooo good
althougth i dont really have any pics because i focus less on recording and more of being in the moment
THE QUALITY IS SO BAD
LMAOO
Fingers crossed still, but there will be more chances in the future
No you were so real for that, must be amazing to experience that live š
I don't blame you. Especially how people live their lives through their phones or social media instead of enjoying their experience in the moment.
At least you got to see her live. Speak Now is my favourite album.
mine too
Same. I was in high school, so couldn't really attend.
Back To December is one that stands out for me. Especially with the takeaway message.
Hi everyone, I was wondering if someone here could give me some info on tickpick? Is it typically reliable? Im still holding onto the hope weāll get some kind of update from tickmaster soon but was just curious about tickpick is all
no because when she played i cried so hard the security guard asked if i was okay
whats best fb group to find tickets?
I still stand by avoiding resale ticket websites. Since anyone can put up a ticket without verifying they own that ticket.
nah TM is different
cause that's direct
but it looks like resale on TM directly is not happening
praying she plays haunted
same here ;-;
hiiiiiii
hiii
hiiii
this is brilliant
I explained Dynamic pricing in the post i'm quoting. @opal zenith
Is very good š š
This is amazing! I love all the tik toks people are making about it! Good stuff Lol
Would you be mad if the person next to you had a light up outfit
Yes but only bc Iād be jealous of their outfit
I think it would be pretty cool outfit! Along as the lights aren't blinding or anything Lol
Part of me wanted to recreate the how you get the girl dress with LEDS but Iām not talented
Listen though, they arenāt talking bad about TS
Idk why she chose fox lol
