(Suggestion) Nerf Bloodstone Earrings

[dark root]

I found out how broken bloodstone earrings can be on any run.
Imagine an item that lowers your defense by a slight bit and in return gives 5% of your damage back to you as healing. Sounds OP. I tested it ingame and found out why dealing 1k dps with an item like that just breaks the game completely.

Making it balanced wouldn't even be hard. Just limit the defense permanently to whatever -10 it should be. Maybe making every enemy deal a fixed amount (like 30) damage with all attacks could balance it a little.

Right now it looks like it's not worth taking anything else in the dimensional pocket than Bloodstone Earrings because it's just a hard carry instant free win item that makes removes all difficulty from the game.

Also please nerf Scabbard Of Exorcism it's ridiculously powerful with only a couple frost relic items making it deal 1k+ dps.

Average scabbard damage compared to everything else. Note that the Voluspa item is a higher rarity item but it deals barely any damage compared to its sidegrade which just doesn't make sense.

[spark swan]

correction: it's 0.1% per lifesteal point, so 0.5%
still very strong yes but not as broken as 5%

also scabbard is super strong yes, but stronger is the ice hammer with the right build
basically think of scabbard but you shoot 3 when you dash, and you can just spam that

[worthy sage]

4* but yeah dash builds are meta right now, and with the dps they output bloodstone ring is always worth the tradeoff. Id say rather than making it weaker, it should have a worse tradeoff, like trading attack speed or max hp for lifesteal instead

Sacrificing max hp and defense in exchange for lifesteal seems balanced imo

[dark root]

You can't really spam it as it also has a cooldown. I've tried it in different builds but I haven't gotten it to deal even half of what Scabbard does.

[worthy sage]

There's an upgrade for shortsword that procs hammer on every single dash

It's better

[dark root]

Oh I didn't know of that. I always run greatsword because it's just better and shortsword is kinda meh

[worthy sage]

Skill issue, simply learn to block

[spark swan]

I wonder if anyone managed to get a god run on ice relic where they have all of the insane items maxed
like the ice star ice wings all 3 relics etc.

[worthy sage]

Then again, I suck with greatsword cause I rely on block so that's a whole nother skill issue

[dark root]

Waste of time. I would spend that time hitting the enemy 4 times when I could have blocked.

[spark swan]

genuinely I feel like all of the top tier weapon upgrades are on shortsword

[worthy sage]

They are

[spark swan]

greatsword and dagger options are just kinda eh

[worthy sage]

Shortsword and dagger have the best upgrades in the game

[dark root]

I never blocked as dashing and hitting enemies was always just a better time investment and a better skill to master.

[worthy sage]

So what chapter?

And what hard tier?

[dark root]

You can make scabbard activate every 0.7 seconds and deal 4k damage every time it does. I think it's decent.

[spark swan]

I'm not saying it's weak at all
just that hammer is somehow even more broken than scabbard (and usually you'd want all 3 ice relics, just main focus on the hammer)

[dark root]

with 350 damage slashes that get thrown out 4 times every proc that also activate the frostburn stack debuffs for even more damage.

[dark root]

Hammer without the shortsword is dogshaite in my opinion so if I ever run shortsword then maybe I'll give it a go.

It's not like the damage needs to be any better lmao 😂 I just oneshot everything on max difficulty already.

[worthy sage]

Yeah, without the shortsword synergy it is worse, however with it it's much better

[dark root]

I had ice wings and the star which made my scabbard proc 4 times and I had over 100% crit and crit damage as well as frost daggers dealing 900 damage every use.

[spark swan]

yeah I wouldn't hard focus on ice hammer if not on shortsword

[dark root]

So is it best to run it with white wolf who can dash infinitely?

[dark root]

I did them all and max difficulty. All effects of hardmode turned on is how I play.

[worthy sage]

No, hammer only procs when dash charge is consumed, dungreed costume is best

[dark root]

Getting hit twice kills so it's kinda important to NOT run white wolf so idk. I'd save my dashes for dodging and it would probably mess up the patterns and get me killed.

[dark root]

Oh well then I don't see the point of hammer as scabbard can activate faster lmao

[worthy sage]

What drugs are you taking man

I'm not gonna bother arguing this point

[dark root]

Dashing at 0 charge takes like 1.4 seconds to get 1 bar to activate hammer with when scabbard can do it twice as fast.

Every hit or so will activate scabbard on a greatsword enchanted with the 50% faster scabbard use.

[dark root]

It's just from my experience

If this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PotjqcQ5ORI&ab_channel=Straynger

is hammer on average in the final boss then it's meh

I still stand with scabbard+greatsword xD

I literally mean it when I say oneshotting the final boss. I mean it dies in one swing.

[spark swan]

ima need to see a vid
we have a lot of hammer advocates but a scabbard meta would be interesting to see

[dark root]

Also that's the 50% weaker boss that also has no second phase and doesn't get affected by the hardmode as in the video it's chapter 1

[worthy sage]

I can definitely give it a shot. Probably run ice cat with rylie's pocket carried for that cd bonus

Scabbard is real easy to find

[dark root]

Oh I am tripping nvm it was chapter III

[dark root]

Yeah I always dimension pocket it xD

remember to use greatsword and get the 30% cold upgrade that later turns into 50% faster scabbard.

The laser sword is a good build with frost daggers if u wanna just spam the spell button for infinite casts until mana runs out xD

It recharges the homing frost daggers in like 0.3 seconds with a perfect build.

[worthy sage]

I'm going for the shortsword one, same effect just on a better weapon for how I play

[dark root]

wait is it a universal no recharge for artifacts or just hammer?

[spark swan]

just hammer

btw does greatsword have scabbard-specific boost

shortsword does but I'm not too familiar with greatsword/dagger upgrade trees

[dark root]

yes with the Frost greatsword upgrade.

[worthy sage]

Yeah greatsword does

[spark swan]

is it the same? -50% scabbard CD?

[worthy sage]

Yeah

[spark swan]

ah neat

[dark root]

The laser one is also reaaaally powerful with a couple tomes combined into the build

-50% cooldown is calculated after your own cooldown mod so I once got 460% cooldown modifier and spammed frost daggers.

[worthy sage]

Also I know your problem. You aren't using adventurer bunny for 10% faster dash cd, level 10 swift for 20% cd, and compression bandage for 30% cd

[dark root]

Not my vid. It's just some random guy playing

And yeah I figured that would probably help a a little

[worthy sage]

Intelligence agent is also the best root for that build, not relic one

Common mistake people make

[dark root]

I always run the mana regen for magic or the frost artifact one for scabbard use

[worthy sage]

Yeah ice blacksmith is cracked

[dark root]

💀 I rerolled 11 times and didn't get it.

R

[worthy sage]

Me rerolling roots 7 times in a row only to get astronomer

[dark root]

I had it and the intelligence agent in the middle and right slot 3 times in a row there

Only the left side slot changed

Oh and btw run the ice mage character for this it's the best for dps

frost star first item in the run xd

[dark root]

again

[dark root]

Now I got everything. I also have every frost relic.

xd

[dark root]

Died to a tree. Epic. I didn't even see it under all the mess xD

damages. Had both hammer and scabbard from the start at 6/6 after first boss

[spark swan]

voluspa putting in work

[dark root]

meh not really. It doesn't benefit from other frost artifact items as much + it misses constantly.

[spark swan]

hey 50% of scabbard is not bad

[dark root]

It's still more than base attacks xd

@spark swan What is the first level of the shortsword called? The one that leads to hammer effects

prob the frost shard I took that one xd

[spark swan]

it's just the ice damage one
I think frost shard is correct

[dark root]

I am struggling hard killing just basic enemies and first boss dealt 60 dmg 💀

This ain't it chief

I'm about to get the second level on the sword

Maybe I'm just mad unlucky but 150 dps on the dummy in woodlands is kinda dog bad

[spark swan]

it takes awhile to get started for sure

it really only pays off in like library or something, depending on your luck

[dark root]

I have ice star and the anvil upgrades. It's now slightly below average but not a struggle anymore. hmm

Scabbard is sure better for room clearing.

Oh.

I see the panther got deleted

That's pretty good actually

I think it's better than scabbard but if it's perfectly optimized I think scabbard's better room clearing is worth it over the hammer procs on dashing.

The dps falls off after the first dashes

[dark root]

Actually much worse in comparison to scabbard as I attacked for the first zone and then stopped. I still accumulated almost the same amount of shortsword damage as a greatsword run in the last zone would have.

In my opinion if you're speedrunning the game over and over again, scabbard paired with frost daggers in dimension pocket will get you free wins and it will carry you through the early zones too. Hammer didn't work as well as it's only single target. @spark swan

That's my sum up of the comparison. They're both broken tbh 😂

But hammer builds struggle in the early game so it's worse in general.

Not having additional procs from frost wings or ice star on hammer build makes it really bad in comparison if you're just clearing rooms

Nice test tho

[worthy sage]

Yeah, that's the one downside, for a viable hammer build you need a maxed ice wings, maxed ice star, maxed hammer and maxed scale of conflict

It takes a ton of commitment, as opposed to white wolf thornbush which requires one whole character and one whole item to make a broken build

Funny, the two strongest builds in game are one that requires you to dedicate your whole inventory to the build (relics) and one that can be made with one character carrying one item