Overhaul

[young sun]

But its a little hard to master. Even I miss it sometimes.

Gamma is usually the setup to all your combos. Getting it to 4 at least is recommended. But its preference whether you max out beta or gamma next

[hollow mantle]

what does g4 do

[hollow mantle]

why gamma into melee?

[young sun]

It stops them from going up into the air completely, easier to hit with scope alphas.

And if you got acceleration, helps you fit 1 or 2 more alphas in it before the gamma explodes.

Massive damage

[hollow mantle]

ah ok. can u hit melee with air gamma

[young sun]

Just more damage generally. I think reload as well I don't recall if its at 4 or 9 his reload goes from 11 to 10 seconds.

[young sun]

Depending on the spot you can, but its very chunky.

Its usually easier to just do air gamma, beta and then regular alpha for about

220ish damage

[hollow mantle]

is the regular alpha while rising in beta guaranteed hits or nah

[young sun]

If its flesh, you get some free extra chip damage yeah

[young sun]

The first clip here has that when I killed Nejire.

[hollow mantle]

ok but if i see someone it's better to do ground gamma into melee into shot alpha or?

or can i do ground gamma melee beta alpha

[hollow mantle]

yh that's were i got it from. poor nejire

[young sun]

If you're close enough to do it yeah thats the money maker combo there.

[hollow mantle]

ok wb this: or can i do ground gamma melee beta alpha

ahhhhh so complicated nvmmmm

[young sun]

If you got acceleration you can do ground gamma, air melee, beta. But yeah its hard to hit effectively.

[hollow mantle]

wait the melee there is air melee?

[young sun]

To do the general combo its ground gamma, alpha cancel into air melee, and then scope alpha.

Here's a few more random clips

[young sun]

Yeah you can go straight into regular alpha after ground gamma, and you can air melee out of the regular alpha. So thus, alpha cancel.

[hollow mantle]

this is so complex

[young sun]

Yeah its a lot lmao

[hollow mantle]

but it comes out as air melee??

do u have to jump

[young sun]

Lemme see if I can grab a video iirc someone made a demonstration

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8boLU6V/

Here.

My word of advice, practice alpha canceling first, and then try to do it with the gamma and whatnot.

[hollow mantle]

ty

[young sun]

Np

Once you got it down pat it should just be muscle memory

[hollow mantle]

Ok tysm

ok let's recap

so i should always aim for this ground gamma combo

but if i happen to do an air gamma i'll do beta into normal alpha

[young sun]

Yep

[young sun]

If they have shield, the combo will lose out on some chip damage, but it'll still work.

[sacred wave]

Hello, Overhauls of the world

How do you handle the meta characters?

[sullen gulch]

i just cry

[young sun]

I just

[sullen gulch]

meta strat

[sacred wave]

I

[young sun]

The ol reliable hide inside a small space.

[slate forge]

Cry bruh and laugh in their faces if they die to me

[young sun]

https://tenor.com/view/aell46s-pennywise-payaso-gif-18516414

[young sun]

Supporthaul running inside when a Support Nejire sees him

[red trellis]

Hide in a corner and consider healing in storm

[young sun]

After the storm sickness addition?

Good luck

[red trellis]

And consider putting sns ability on several supports at this point

[sullen gulch]

you can heal just dont marinate

[young sun]

But I like marinating with Overhaul 🥀

[sullen gulch]

then you better start pulling out the wallet because youll need sns

[young sun]

-# Its such a bs change when they add a character that can just actively do it 🥀

Like I know storm healing can be a problem

But like

When they do that ans then add a character that can just

Storm heal anyway with 0 consequence

Even Strike Hawks' original beta design was less obvious they want money

[young sun]

The only thing worthy of my wallet

Is Twice qss

And Kendo Rappa

[red trellis]

Somehow i did have that enuf for my max melee dmg+ tunes for Toko build, so I gotta both get a good costume and farm shards in solos, i still need wall runners yk...

[pure shuttle]

Guys how do a melee after gamma

[young sun]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8boLU6V/

Hope this helps

[pure shuttle]

Thank you my friend

[upper dirge]

And i suppose for more asshaul tips similar to support haul if you are in a high risk situation and you need to stay mobile or escape time landing on the ground and beta'ing just as u land to prevent the foreswing of it.

Mainly for Alpha and Beta

It acts like green haul's gamma

with its foreswing

[hollow mantle]

@young sun btw another assault overhaul question, like should i always aim to open with a gamma combo? or do i open with whatever

Also should i do accel + willpower or wall runner + willpower

and should i change will power to smth else

also i did it!!!!

was very easy to learn the alpha tech

[upper dirge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1482431643078627389/1482431643905032418/NejireIdol.gif

[hollow mantle]

also @young sun there's another combo that i did, ground gamma into alpha cancel air melee into beta. it does slightly more damage than shot alpha

when would i do which

also does ground melee do more dmg than air

[hollow mantle]

this is the new combo (idk if it's been found already)

but i feel like i would do this instead cuz i wanna max beta first. maybe it would've been good to do alpha shot but im controller it's harder to aim... also its good to gain height to camp wakeups, or if there were people around

i asked like 100 questions i hope u can answer them all

[noble kraken]

That’s less damage than I output with the normal combo, so you might just not be getting in all the alpha shots

If you do it right characters like ochaco should lose all their gp and almost half their hp

[hollow mantle]

oh i can only fit 1 alpha shot

[hollow mantle]

but like is it that useful tho? what happens if i cant aim in the heat of battle

[hollow mantle]

can't i be holding alpha while rising to make it do more dmg

[noble kraken]

Probably not, since they’re on GP when you’re doing the combo, and because they’re barely trapped in the gamma by the time beta comes out

[hollow mantle]

ok ty

[hollow mantle]

what is accel good for on assault over?

[noble kraken]

more alphas in the ground gamma combo

you can land 1-2 more

which is huge

70 more dmg if you land an extra one, 140 more dmg if you land two

[hollow mantle]

Ok ty

[hollow mantle]

@noble kraken what's accel good for on assault over?

[noble kraken]

u already asked this

and I already answered

[hollow mantle]

oh

[hollow mantle]

Ohhhhh

[wicked valley]

Been about a week since I got the tickle monster and I finally got the 10+ko in ranked almost ace like 2000 point off if anyone wants to play!

1hp and revenge tech build

Now they have fixed the beta damage slide alpha into gamma then beta while holding alpha feels so nice!!

[thorny jolt]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNRXB5CeR/

[thorny jolt]

Assault Overhaul vs Tech Shigaraki Final 1V1
I love this build man hahaha

[young sun]

WWE Overhaul

Fr

He learned that from Rappa

[thorny jolt]

😭

[dense wagon]

that character genuinely doesnt die cause of those stupid tunings lol

[upper dirge]

https://klipy.com/gifs/itadori-itadori-yuji-3

[young cypress]

Why did you take so many 50s with him 💀

Suicide against that character

[upper dirge]

Idek....

[thorny jolt]

This character bro... RIP

[young sun]

The day they add cooldowns to the revenge tuning is the day that character's usage rates drop

[red trellis]

dear lord YES (in ranked) (im winning and saving my teammates)

oh my god look at this

I CANNOT LIKE MY TEAMMATE

also i suppose rapid vengeance is actually very good on him

bc even if you get to wallrun or else you're SPEEDY

just fr needs more time on it

damn i actually made myself a record. on THIS.

[cloud stone]

Why can’t they just buff overhaul gamma by increasing the air version damage and adding damage reduction hyper armor

[young sun]

Because its Overhaul

And we can't have nice things

[red trellis]

is there a possible hidden technicality that i should could would make overhaul terrified while so obv controlling him during playing by the virtue of being Russian and that mafia scares mafia? with yakuza essentially potentially being mafia too
no worries im just thinking of funsies 😂

[rotund grotto]

Can someone help me with this?
Its for Blighted Precipice

[sullen gulch]

apparently this can work occasionally

[young sun]

Huh.

[noble kraken]

yeah the hitbox on his beta is so stupidly large now, it's not accurate whatsoever 🥀

[sullen gulch]

That was the explosion hitbox

The pillar got fixed but the base explosion is the same

[hollow mantle]

Guysss i need urgent help!!! gonan build assault overhaul he is so fun! I need help for tuning doe

i only have his formal suit costume so i can only do that

i rlly want accel on him cuz i feel like wall runner is redundant

so i could either do: accel + will power. only problem with this build is me not understnsding why will power would be good on overhaul? yes u can delay special action but realistically when would special action's timing be that perfect

next option is a bit worse but still good: willpower + special action reload boost

I really hate special action reload boost because i don't like relying on downs (and also kills in general).

is there anything stopping me from doing the first build?

[hollow mantle]

to add to the first build, i would be doing this combo for melees.

[hollow mantle]

or this

[young sun]

Dangerous Formal Suit, the yellow one.

That's what you'll wanna use.

You can do acceleration and willpower/ability manifest/extra wind/Kota finder/Crushing PU

Etc etc

[hollow mantle]

yup just what i thought thank you!!!

since ur here i think i alr asked u smth similar but like what level order should i do

i've been doing b4 a4 g4 a9 b9 g9

should i be maxing gamma before maxing beta or?

[young sun]

Most people I'm aware of max out Alpha first to make the most out of both modes. After that its kinda based of preference whether you level up beta or gamma first. There's not a incorrect level path tbh.

I personally go A9, G4, B4, G9, B9.

[hollow mantle]

why g4?

also then why do u max gamma? is it cuz of reload? cuz dmg wise there isn't much of a difference compared to beta

[young sun]

Just a bit more damage on the gamma combos mostly. I like doing big numbers

Reload does help too

[hollow mantle]

hm ok

i guess i'll try falling into the dark side of alpha

imma try a9 g4 b9 g9

i use beta a lot in combos so i feel like i need to prioritize it anyways

[young sun]

An easy way to activate your acceleration can be sliding up up with your alphas like a drive by and then air melee into them.

[hollow mantle]

look at this convo

[young sun]

You can combo the ground gamma into it if you're fast enough

[hollow mantle]

that's so smart

i can do the alpha jump air melee tech

[young sun]

Yep

[hollow mantle]

isn't it guaranteed with accel

wait i saw a combo like that tho, it was just drive by alpha then raw beta then quick gamma then alpha shot spam

without the air melee then

[young sun]

Usually. But I'm sure you've seen your gamma miss when it shouldn't have before already.

Its a little buggy

[hollow mantle]

yup

[young sun]

In most cases, the alpha slide up, air melee and rhen the gamma usually uses up a good chunk of knock down

Maybe you can fit an alpha in there but usually overcommitting can force them into knockdown and drop the combo

Depends on how many regular alpha chips you land before that air melee

[hollow mantle]

ok ty

[young sun]

Np man

[hollow mantle]

I can't fit the gamma

but thanks anyways

but with accel activated after let's say a ground gamma air melee alpha combo what am i trying to do??

[young sun]

Just do that and used the aim alpha for massive damage.

With acceleration you can usually fire 2 more alphas compared to normally

[hollow mantle]

normally u can already shoot 2 rights

omd i love accel. also thsi new alpha level path is rlly good.

[upper dirge]

go quick reload for some funny

alpha spam

[young sun]

Its a red hero slot

[upper dirge]

oh im using a diff costume

the fusion one

[young sun]

Ye

[thorny jolt]

Asshaul 1v2 Clutch

[hollow mantle]

@young sun what am i doing wrong?? im only hitting 1 alpha with even accel. am i missing the first shot? am i meeleing to late

[red trellis]

I swear i had SUCH a good time in japanese ranked full team from here games (As SUPPHAUL) that I'm tempted to switch my server name here to She Be Overhaulin' LMAO
Instead of Tsukuyomi Hunter bc i havent been doing that lately

[thorny jolt]

Try to do the alpha cancel into air melee faster, ideally the ennemi should stay on the ground

[young sun]

The first clip you missed a shot. But yeah what jaylowfr said. Try to get it in faster. Should work out.

[noble kraken]

what even is a tsukuyomi and why do you hunt it

[young sun]

Edgy birb

[red trellis]

Thats tokoyami's hero name and i have a melee focused tuning build for him so i mostly chase ppl until either of us die thus im a hunter

[noble kraken]

I forgot that's his hero name, edgy bird vro

[red trellis]

😂 yea he is

[young sun]

Clock strikes 12

Midnight arrives ahh birb

[red trellis]

Simply started playing mhur during his banner, got him on 40th pull and then had to do like 60 games on him for seasonal quests so i got both good at him and he became my confident pick/main

Not sure if that's by now overshadowed w how much fun im having as supphaul though so idk just choosing between chars and what to put into server name so i dont need to really tell ppl what i enjoy playing each time i team up w smb

[hollow mantle]

Oof

[hollow mantle]

ty.

Imagine how much damage i would do omd.

[hollow mantle]

love overhaul

[thorny jolt]

Mirio and his counter 😭

[young sun]

Mogged

[upper dirge]

I mean business when im on Yellowhaul

[pure shuttle]

Guys I need tips with assault overhaul I already know the combos I just don't know how to play him

[proud rivet]

He feels a bit nicer, and did they shadow buff alpha damage?

I was hitting 13 before max

[young sun]

Nah you just getting better at him

Frfr

[proud rivet]

oh i'm not doing anything different or playing better

its just the 30 damage from pillar and somehow doing extra tickle damage

with what seems like beta not breaking on spawn and gamma going through every time I connect

[upper dirge]

Mixups

You want to not over-rely on ur alpha and constantly reposition.

Kind of like a Yellowjacket that zips around and then stings hard when it counts

When you land that gamma is when you sting but nibbles your opponent here and there

alpha and cancel out of it into an air melee to prevent locking animation and beta reposition every now and then to possibly land on an opponent unsuspected to deliver a melee melee into gamma or melee melee into aimed alphas

always watch that alpha bar

since its your means of animation cancelling

and mobility and manueverability

[pure shuttle]

Ok thank you!

[upper dirge]

Go and wreak havoc!

[random lantern]

which special tuning is better for overhaul revenge tech or special action reload

[random lantern]

which costume tuning is that

[pulsar latch]

Special action reload I think it give you another heal if you get a down

[strange sphinx]

yo can someone give me tips for support overhaul?

[sullen gulch]

https://ultrarumble.com/guide/character/3400

its fairly up to date but it should be fully up to date soon

[strange sphinx]

thx

i read it

man i have none of the good tunings of char data

[sullen gulch]

dww some grinding should give you enough

[red trellis]

How much dmg can we have on supp overhauls skills? How much does each skill tuning upgrade provide

Hm actually might be answered above imma read

[red trellis]

i think in last match my PU bugged bc it refused to activate when I have spent my spa

[upper dirge]

happens to the best of us

[strange sphinx]

overal hall players

regular wall run tuning or revenge rapid?

[sullen gulch]

wall run

[strong stratus]

what is assualt overhaul combo what order should i do

[strange sphinx]

yo guys

how do i fast proc the heal on me

iv been trying to mid fight but my special action just doent seem to work

[lament parcel]

I wish I could do special action heal in the air or while moving...

[lament parcel]

The easiest is gamma into aimed alphas or air gamma into beta into alphas

You can usually hit alphas after a beta too

[strange sphinx]

oh so you cant heal if your moving

thats annoying

[lament parcel]

Afaik you gotta be standing still yeah.

So you're left open for a moment

[strange sphinx]

Question

A bit pessimistic

Is there a reason to play overhaul over other supports?

[upper dirge]

Raid Boss

[strange sphinx]

Hey

Does anyone hav a guide for assault overhaul?

Like what to max and general tips / combos

[lament parcel]

I mentioned the easiest combos earlier, but max alpha first

Be careful with gamma since it's only one charge. Make sure you can land some aimed in alphas after you use it

Also, don't sleep on the aimed in alpha it's a pretty good attack

[strange sphinx]

Yeah

[lament parcel]

Beta is great for moving and catching wakeups

[strange sphinx]

For an assault he seems rly lower damage

Though I guess it’s cause of the movement with alpha

[lament parcel]

Yeah you gotta hit your aimed in alphas and your gammas for sure

[strange sphinx]

Imo reminds me of playing ibara

[lament parcel]

Don't be afraid to use your special action to break out when someone is grabbing or hitting you with a melee ranged attack. I've killed enemies with it, like Ibara

It's funny when they die to that

Beta is good for picking up your teammates if they're down sometimes. Also good to use 2 of them to heal yourself when you need a minute

You can also cast Beta when you're in a little room sometimes to hide a bit better when you're healing or whatever

He's fun but definitely takes patience

I like how fast he can move and the way he can persistently heal himself

Kinda want to try hyper regen on him tbh

[lament parcel]

Anything else you're wondering? He's been one of my mains for a bit but I just do easy stuff like air gamma > beta > alphas

[strange sphinx]

What’s the maxing order

You said alpha but what about beta and gamma ?

[lament parcel]

I get Alpha to 9 first

And then I go gamma

[strange sphinx]

Ok

How do you play him?

More like mid to range from what I can tell

Prob a sniper character with alpha giving movement so he can kite melee herous better

And gamma made to punish those who get close

[lament parcel]

Mostly just keeping mid range, using beta for positioning and alpha to annoy people and try to figure out who's low and who I can try to gamma for a better payoff

I find he can also be pretty good at protecting downed teammates with harassing alphas and stuff

[strange sphinx]

@lament parcel hey dude

what do you do for tuning

[lament parcel]

Right now hyper regen and quirk factor

[strange sphinx]

been rly struggling with using the aimed alpha

[lament parcel]

Haven't really did anything else

[strange sphinx]

as well

feels soo slow for the range and speed and fighting mid ranged

[lament parcel]

It's great after gamma or jump gamma obviously. Or when people are fighting each other

Good damage and stuff

Shooting some random normal alphas to get a feel of how the enemies are doing is good too, especially if they're flesh

[strange sphinx]

yeah but feels hard to not rely on the moving alpha vs moving enemies

[strange sphinx]

yeah

[lament parcel]

You just gotta figure out what is better for your current situation

He definitely takes thought

[strange sphinx]

@lament parcel anytips for the tech shigi matchup?

dumbstered by this annoying thing for the third time

[lament parcel]

It's bleak, particularly if he has the raid boss healing tunings. All you can really do is hope you got other people also blasting and attacking him lmao

Dealing with his stupid beta and healing is pretty hard

[strange sphinx]

been frustrated facing him alot

[upper dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/ju-fufu-zenless-zone-zero-zzz-zzz-ju-fufu-gif-14119905922036611615

[noble kraken]

Why? Ibara’s damage is immense, even from a range, if you don’t dodge her you’re gonna regret it. Asshaul’s ranged damage is weak compared to hers

[grim quiver]

Just wanted to point this out because I’ve been playing Assault Overhaul a lot lately

[upper dirge]

Strike deku can grab people?

[noble kraken]

his beta can land on the heel, if it does you get grabbed

it's not an animation grab though, it just drags you down with him and does extra damage

[hushed oxide]

Isn't me or will power hasn't been working

[upper dirge]

I do recall it being bugged

[noble kraken]

it's a bug that's been happening the entirety of season 16, if you die and get revived, some tunings stop working for the rest of the match, willpower being one of them.

[upper dirge]

Just like reinforced

[nimble mango]

Ye they mentioned in the notes in general that some special tuns are bugged, so when tech Bakugo releases it might work as intended again

I think despite the bug it’s still very solid tho I became a will power addict

[grim quiver]

I still count it as a grab anyway soooo—

[noble kraken]

I never said it wasn't a grab, just that it's not a special animation one. It's still a grab, just different

[strange sphinx]

had my first good game on him ibara has the same different alpha that changes if your aiming or not

both play medium to long range and can poke

but have tools to fight in close range

ofa assault cab kite melees easeir due to his movement

i faced a bunch of tech shigies

[upper dirge]

Im gonna be honest

I think players that think ibara is a "sniper" is kind of stupid and if u are one of them i think the same regardless

Her range is exaggerated lmao

Considering a good amount of characters have a farther alpha range then hers

plus hers is gimmicky asf

the unaimed alpha being dang near useless

[strange sphinx]

i mean

she prefers the long range combat

has incredible range on alpha and ranged rezzing

she is legit build to play long- mid ranged combat

if you dont agree thats fine but its very much seems like what her kit is build for

@lament parcel hey sorry for @ you if its a bad time

iv got a problem rn , endgame circle is

rly weird for assault overhaul

i have mobility to escape sure but with the moving alpha and less space to kite its rly annoying and his lack of big burst damage rly shows

[lament parcel]

Yeah you just gotta fish for good gammas and betas. Sometimes you can knock them into storm and that will help

[upper dirge]

her range for rezzing is not incredible

for her who has barely any mobility its kind of bad

well no mobility

[upper dirge]

But if you have a lack of damage it means ur not using your entire kit which includes melee cancels alpha cancels into melee and mixing it up with aimed alphas to rack up damage

youll have to get creative and not over-rely on ur alphas for dmg

I make sure im a threat on the field to multiple people by spamming alpha jump cancels into melee

even purposely double air melee'ing someone to knock them get a nice 135 damage

and give u breathing room

to go after the other targets

before you burst them with ur gamma

[strange sphinx]

i know

i dont know about any of those melee cancles

i do use my aimed alpha a lot but mostly after i land gamma or when i dont need to move as much

the movement alpha is rly useful kiting enemies who are rushing me

what are the melee cancles / alpha cancels into melee

[upper dirge]

Oh then ur not using him at his full potential if ur not doing this

I could show gameplay but i cleared my folder

[strange sphinx]

no one mentioned that to me before or the stuff so i wanna know how

i probably wont use them all cause i dont get up close a lot personally

[upper dirge]

yeah its something thats sort of a specialized thing but it will improve damage

[strange sphinx]

tech shigi and ofa deku are wayy too stupid to bother fighting close

[upper dirge]

by alot

[upper dirge]

Uhh pretty sure with how stupid they are they do fight close with their melees

they spam it even but teh shiggy obviously not

but they will abuse that undodgeable beta

[strange sphinx]

nah tech shigis barelt even melee

they just go for gamma then run

[upper dirge]

i mean OFA deku

[strange sphinx]

i barely seem them even bother with their special action

its dumb imo

[upper dirge]

Tech shiggys do use their SA for movement if anything

Its the OFA dekus i mean

[strange sphinx]

yeah i understand

even then sadly ofa deku trackign on melee is rly annoying

seems to beat out a lot and the mf makes me waste a charge of my knockaway

just to clip back on me

[copper schooner]

Don't need it. He zips around and survives well. Has good combos and auto tracking. Only gamma track buff if anything. The balance should be around his level

[sullen gulch]

Yeah asshaul is fine he just needs consistency

[young cypress]

I genuinely think his damage is just too low at this point

Like everything revolves around his gamma and that’s just not very healthy for something that isn’t consistent, has 1 charge, and a long cooldown

[upper dirge]

He does not need super armor on his gamma

I think that will stagger the skill and decision-making required to use him

[upper dirge]

Use ur beta against thiem

it makes it hard for them to catch u

[young sun]

Super armor nah. Other grabs don't have it either.

But what he doesn't have what the other grabs do is bypassing super armor

They all can grab out of super armor

Overhaul can't

🥀

[upper dirge]

Idk if youve seen or interacted with Asshaul Gamma vs blue might alpha hold

I think its worth hitting the entire combo cuz yes he gets hit with the WHOLE package

[young sun]

Idk if the grounded gamma acts differently than the air one.

But it pmo when I gave Tamaki and YAFO a pat on the back for 10 damage when they were locked in their gammas

[strange sphinx]

the sweating

could fill a bucket

[sullen gulch]

it does

[strange sphinx]

but damn i guess thats what you meant by melee cancelling

no idea how to pull it off though

[sullen gulch]

air gamma stuns people lower and does less damage whereas ground gamma stuns higher and does more damage

air gamma also tracks better than grounded gamma

AND air gamma can cancel into beta but not alpha and ground gamma can cancel into alpha but not beta

[strange sphinx]

how do you memorize this

[strange sphinx]

yeah iv been trying a lot

the ground gamma tracking is abysmal

[sullen gulch]

just by playing

[upper dirge]

two air melees can rack up to 130 damage and if u had an aimed alpha in there

well thats at least 170

[red trellis]

I want overhaul pur and make an alpha kill build lol

[red trellis]

YOOO i popped off

[desert canyon]

To others 5k dmg isn't a lot but on assault overhaul thats a lot

🥹

Anyone else feel like his gamma tracking on overhaul got worse?

[young sun]

Might just be bad luck

[desert canyon]

Or i might just be buns

Idk man the tracking on him feels wired

They give others souch good tracking for no reason

[young sun]

His gamma tracking is a little iffy

I ain't faulting you for that

[upper dirge]

Nope it happens to the best of us

[lament parcel]

I pretty much never do ground gamma

Sometimes gamma will bend around walls and corners but other times it doesn't want to...

[young sun]

I only do it when I know they're close.

Ground gamma is what enables insane damage but you gotta know when you could use it

[upper dirge]

I use it quite often actually

I already know the distance it tracks so i hit it quite often until i dont

If anything id prefer ground gamma so i can save a beta for reposition

instead of using it to combo

[red trellis]

in my case i only have supphaul so not even that, sorryyy! 😔

[strange sphinx]

Khow tf is that not a lot

Most iv gotten is 3 k

[strange sphinx]

I hate how it can’t affect other grabs

And even when you hit it

Sometimes it just doesn’t work

[lament parcel]

It can probably beat Rapid Might gamma

That thing has 0 priority

[ornate kite]

Anyone got a clip of that 300 dmg combo?

Just rolled this guy

[ornate kite]

Nvm I figured it out

This guy is crazyyyyy fun

[red trellis]

Ngl supp is more aoe slop and asshaul is more solotarget focus
Supp can shred many targets in same spot and asshaul only has like 2 moves that can do that, aimed alpha iirc and variations of beta

[upper dirge]

Did this overhaul deserve this?

[red trellis]

you definitely hurt the baby, but also, without team heals i think he p much deserved a win over you in 1v1, so gj on him imo

[strange sphinx]

man

[upper dirge]

Ngl even without the team heal I was not going to just die or back down

[young sun]

God's servants got a little bit of King Von in em

[upper dirge]

With how the meta is like? Yeah.

[red trellis]

Yea i rewatched and man didnt use other skills that much
So he took an L

[forest marten]

Silly midrange combo

I wanted it to be m1 sa but that's too much downpower unfortunately

[upper dirge]

thats.....

feels like a waste but cool regardless

[forest marten]

Clipfarming is what I live for

[bleak aspen]

The sauce tho

It’s for the sauce

And the objective is always the sauce.

[slate forge]

I genuinely wish I was better at hitting this

[slate forge]

What was that Nagants name…

[upper dirge]

I think its impressive enough being able to hit it on controller

[slate forge]

Sometimes it unfortunately doesn’t work and I just sit there

[strange sphinx]

Hey guys

Do you think they could buff assault overhaul damage?

[forest marten]

No

[strange sphinx]

Why though?

[sullen gulch]

Because his damage is fine it’s just consistency

[strange sphinx]

How is his damage fine?

[sullen gulch]

His issue is that his damage doesnt land

[strange sphinx]

Assault ochako

Does more damage in two moves

When he has to use his whole kit and an animation cancel melee

[sullen gulch]

Well he wasn’t made to do a ton of damage in two moves was he

He was made to use them all together

[sullen gulch]

Yeah that’s combo characters for you

[strange sphinx]

Assault ochako is who I meant

[sullen gulch]

If you make their damage too high they are broken and have tods

[strange sphinx]

But she does damage from lv 1 . I need lv 9 alpha to be threatening

[sullen gulch]

Ok?

[young sun]

They've been releasing relatively balanced characters. They just need to nerf the meta characters down to that level too

[sullen gulch]

That doesn’t mean asshaul needs firepower that means asschaco has a little too much firepower

[strange sphinx]

They won’t though

[sullen gulch]

Exactly

[strange sphinx]

You know this

[sullen gulch]

That doesn’t mean he should be broken too

[strange sphinx]

I’m not saying broken

[sullen gulch]

All he needs is his attacks to land and he’s fine

[strange sphinx]

A damage buff won’t make him oneshot everyone

[young sun]

Maybe not overnight (AKA a few seasons). But eventually, everything can settle.

[sullen gulch]

A damage buff is still unnecessary

[strange sphinx]

Damn so your saying he will be broken in a few seasons

Rly?

[forest marten]

He doesn't need that shi

[sullen gulch]

And would increase his power exponentially with his combos

[young sun]

Lady Nagant already feels balanced imo. Long ranged very aim dependant sniper.

So glad she can't air melee and barrel stuff 300 damage down my throat

[forest marten]

Mmmm Nuh uh chief

[sullen gulch]

Incina I’m sorry but she’s still broken af

[young sun]

Is it the special action still?

[sullen gulch]

Mostly

[young sun]

Cuz thats probably the only thing I'd probably still want nerfed a bit.

300 damage is admittedly a lot

[forest marten]

HP DMG 🫩

[sullen gulch]

Also a beta stagger that confirms into the rest of her kit

A strong insta hard knock get off me tool and great mobility

Also air melee for movement is still stupid

[young sun]

Tbh if they made his gamma more consistent with the tracking and hopefully fix the weird beta bug where it can break prematurely, he'd be set.

[forest marten]

Don't forget the double jump

Makes her hard to hit by near default

[young sun]

Yeah ig she still got some stuff wrong with her.

I'm just simple minded if its not Overhaul ig 😭😭

[forest marten]

That's fair

[young sun]

Can the game please give me Star and Stripes

I don't even wanna use her I just want her tuning

😭😭

[strange sphinx]

Alr then show me the combos

All I know is that most of his combos come from his buggy gamma

One of them requires using your beta meta and the only is with alpha .

I’m so confused about these insane techs and combos that’s supposedly will make him impossible to fight

Just want him to do a little bit more damage to make learning him easier experience and less like I’m slogging to do 1% of what other do

[young sun]

Nobody saying he's not impossible to fight. But he's in a spot where he'd do well with no damage buffs needed. Just fix his bugs and he'd be far more consistent.

[young sun]

Tokoyami and Asshaul do feel like characters that require skill.

If you're looking for characters easy to play, Assault Overhaul aint that.

[strange sphinx]

Tokoyami?

[young sun]

Same season as Asshaul

Thats why I mentioned

Just as a little comparison

[strange sphinx]

Tokoyami is in a much better spot

[young sun]

Yeah cuz he doesn't have bugs hindering his overall performance

😭😭

But they both require skill to use.

[strange sphinx]

I mean his melees are good and free armour

Unlike overhaul who has to stand still to use his special action to heal himself

But whatever

I’ll pick him up when he gets buffs

[red trellis]

yea in this case supphaul is just an older char that has trouble competing w current SpA designs

[strange sphinx]

Prob will cause he is the worst out of the new releases

[young sun]

He just needs his beta and gamma bugs fixed tbh.

[young sun]

We talking about the yellow one

[sullen gulch]

you can move and heal btw

[red trellis]

Ik but supphaul was original, and from that stems the SpA

[strange sphinx]

Yes but the fact his alpha needs to be maxxed to even start doing decent damage is rly annoying

[sullen gulch]

instant reversal

[young sun]

True

[strange sphinx]

No

How?

[young sun]

https://tenor.com/view/none-of-my-business-tea-kermit-frog-gif-5084362

Educate them Gem

[red trellis]

Ngl I don't risk it further than rise movement

[sullen gulch]

along with that you can attack after

as shown

[strange sphinx]

Still stand still for a second

[young sun]

It just doesn't work directly on wake-up, correct?

[young sun]

It gets the heal off which is what you want

[strange sphinx]

A little more mobile maybe

[sullen gulch]

beats being immobile and not being able to attack out of it 💀

[strange sphinx]

True maybe but still can make you get hit when your low and getting chased

[sullen gulch]

also i have to ask why are you downplaying overhaul so hard?

he isnt bad at all

[strange sphinx]

I don’t think I’m downplaying him

It is his weakness

[sullen gulch]

weaknesses we are showing and telling you how to cover

[strange sphinx]

For the assault problem yall told me do the secret combos

[sullen gulch]

theyre not secret

[strange sphinx]

Which none of yall even said outside of the buggy gamma grab

[sullen gulch]

weve been sharing them constantly

[sullen gulch]

1 unaimed alpha air melee m1 m2 ads alpha

theres one

you can also combo off a whiffed gamma btw...

[young sun]

Air melee?

[sullen gulch]

and melee

[young sun]

Ah

[sullen gulch]

and even on top of that he isnt horrible oustide of his combos

beta is a good get off me tool and you can fire alphas off that using unaimed alpha and aimed alpha together is good damage and his movement is pretty good

[strange sphinx]

Wanna saw his damage is as good as Tokoyami?

[sullen gulch]

honestly

yeah

[strange sphinx]

I do not agree in the slightest lmao

[sullen gulch]

ankh is strong but its all hes really got

[young sun]

His consistency is more of the issue with his bugs tbh

His damage when it works, is fine imo

[red trellis]

Ppl say two gammas of supphaul deals like 200 dmg...

My full empowered tokoyami melee combo on raw melee dmg build deals 204 dmg for sure...

[sullen gulch]

it does 240 untuned

[strange sphinx]

But maybe yall are just better at playing him that me . I just feel like dude doesn’t do the damage late game and herous can two tap with moves while he needs to do decently long combos to do damage

[sullen gulch]

it can be upwards of 250 tuned

[young sun]

Double gamma my beloved ❤️

[red trellis]

alr supphaul better than toko damn it DAMN IT

[strange sphinx]

Tokoyami has a lot more going for him defensive and with the same mobility with added armour and a Sheild

[young sun]

But Tokoyami gets movement remember

[strange sphinx]

But that’s a different character

[sullen gulch]

even then just do gamma beta for a guardbreak untuned

[red trellis]

Isnt main asshaul combo like 300+dmg anyway

[strange sphinx]

I just feel for a single target focused version of overhaul

[young sun]

The gamma air melee?

[red trellis]

yeah smth like that

[young sun]

Generally yeah. Gamma air melee, alpha spam

[strange sphinx]

They should buff his alpha damage up a bit cause I’m rly annoyed with how little I do without maxxed out alpha

[sullen gulch]

that just means hes level dependant

[red trellis]

btw are overhauls melees having more tracking?? its kinda insane

[strange sphinx]

I don’t even mean unaimed version

[sullen gulch]

no they have the same tracking as before

[strange sphinx]

Needing lv 9 to play the game and do same damage as other herous ain’t exactly a good trait

[young sun]

You just getting good fr

[red trellis]

hmmm
sorry compared to tech afo / kurogiri / tokoyami...

[strange sphinx]

Also another question

[red trellis]

im just finding out that it's absolutely more reliable for rise catching than his skills

[sullen gulch]

that doesnt mean it needs to be buffed

[strange sphinx]

Generally how do yall go in with melees at all

Cause

[red trellis]

given im playing on japanese with highest ping lag latency for me and adapting to it

[sullen gulch]

again its literally just consistency fixes and hes fine

[strange sphinx]

Most people I face do their one hit burst

Then dip out

[young sun]

Alpha slide in like a drive-by

[sullen gulch]

approach with alpha jump down from beta use it to catch wakeup

[red trellis]

so like, i could probably just. unfathomably do a melee + gamma build. god thats awful

[strange sphinx]

That’s why I’m frustrated

[strange sphinx]

Most stay in the Ari

[sullen gulch]

you can melee off a whiffed gamma in most cases

[sullen gulch]

read what i said again

about the air melee

[strange sphinx]

Barely anyone is realistically on he ground wiouth Mobility

And the ones who are

Ofa deku says no

[red trellis]

catch on rise / defensive aggression bc i got everything on cooldown

[sullen gulch]

yes they are

[young sun]

Atp you expecting asshaul to counter every character in the game

😭😭

[sand monolith]

Does anyone have any tips for Blighted Precipice? I don't really know how to play him, but I have him and wanna play him

[young sun]

Glad to help

[sullen gulch]

most flying characters need to touch the ground to reload so they will be grounded for a fair bit at a time letting you fight them

[red trellis]

somehow, somehow, i give some of them nightmares as supphaul

[strange sphinx]

No ofc not lmao

[young sun]

You have any PUR costumes for him?

[strange sphinx]

I mostly use the alpha to escape and kite

Not to engage

[sullen gulch]

id also like to mention his alpha is very effective against flyers...

[sand monolith]

No, sadly, I'm using his default costume

[strange sphinx]

Yeah the unaimed version

But wasting that for

What?

30 damage lv 1

[young sun]

That's alright. His default has good builds too

[sullen gulch]

you are making him look like bottom one wtf 😭

[strange sphinx]

It’s good damage at lv 9 but lv 1 it’s tickle for losing my ranged / ground mobility

[young sun]

Iirc its the default, combat and dangerous versions? Right @sullen gulch ?

[sullen gulch]

looting path

[strange sphinx]

Bro how much does it do ?

[sullen gulch]

please

[sand monolith]

Im broke af, so I don't have special tunings on him yet, but I know to put Special Action Reload Boost

[young sun]

For good budget builds

[strange sphinx]

What is that?

[red trellis]

same situation ngl

[strange sphinx]

Btw I’m talking like this

Cause I don’t have good tunnings or costumes is maybe a factor

[young sun]

I think his cyberpunk costume is rerunning at some point this season

[strange sphinx]

That he feels worse

[young sun]

Heck it might already be running

[sullen gulch]

dangerous is best for budget builds as it the does most damage fancy is great as its a budget raid boss build and default gives you some movement to escape on guardbreak and a tech slot and we all know why thats good

[young sun]

@sand monolith

[red trellis]

yeah and i cannot pity it. i cannot even get to pity a yafo PUR. i got maximum 40 more points but im currently at 50

[sullen gulch]

itll run on the clustergo banner

[red trellis]

And I cannot guarantee I reach ace rank in 8 days

[young sun]

Alright inna week ez

[red trellis]

And I dont wanna spend crystals on tickets

[sand monolith]

What's the raid boss build?

[strange sphinx]

You guys have looting paths ?

[sand monolith]

You don't?

[sullen gulch]

theres a few theres rev assault and willpower theres rev strike sa reload and there willpower sa reload but the one im referring to is rev assault willpower

[sullen gulch]

brother

[strange sphinx]

Who tf does no one mentioned anything like that

[sullen gulch]

thats why you are struggling with asshaul you literally dont get levels

[young sun]

I dyin

Help me

😭😭😭

[sand monolith]

Willpower isn't available to me anytime. I don't have Strike Kiri

[sullen gulch]

find a path that gives you good loot and hopefully one skill maxed or at good levels

[sullen gulch]

you can grind for his data without owning him

[strange sphinx]

Don’t make fun of someone for not knowing something you never mention

[sullen gulch]

this is basic game stuff

[sand monolith]

Yeah, that's why I said anytime.

[strange sphinx]

No it isn’t

[sullen gulch]

yes it is

tf

[strange sphinx]

No it isn’t who tf talks about that

[young sun]

https://tenor.com/view/son-im-crine-son-im-crine-gif-5176045023480767429

[strange sphinx]

Iv watched guides on the game

[sand monolith]

Nobody talks about it because it's game sense. Basic stuff people shouldn't have to talk about

[sullen gulch]

how have you been playing this game and never realized "this is a great way to get more levels and healing"

[strange sphinx]

For map stuff never heard anyone talk about looting pants or mention it in any chat

[strange sphinx]

Bro tf

[sullen gulch]

no one talks about it because it is literally basic knowledge

[young sun]

This sudden makes so much sense

[strange sphinx]

I legit looked at the games guide online

[sullen gulch]

like looking both ways before crossing the street and such

[strange sphinx]

I started last week

Nothing

[red trellis]

right top edge of shopping mall...

right top building of usj middle-right zone...

uhhh, neo map, the right top tower? i've pretty much dueled several OFA dekus there that they escaped from me and theres 2 evacuee chances instantly nearby...

and for some map with big city in the center thats like heights alliance or whatever you can also land on the tower on the left-bottom part of the city, collect everything on top, bully ppl off the top, and then move to collect everything downstairs and check the tube for gold chest, then just bully people from the roof

[strange sphinx]

Who tf said anything about this ever

And it’s basic knowledge?

[sullen gulch]

yes

[red trellis]

recommending or exampling my looting paths

[strange sphinx]

Right off the bat I’m supposed to know

[sullen gulch]

you should pick it up after a few games

[strange sphinx]

When no one mentioned anything like it in any chat

[red trellis]

(after like a hundred)

[strange sphinx]

Sry but it’s inconsistent

Cause you know

Teammates lands in different areas

[sullen gulch]

because its the bare minimum of knowledge

[sullen gulch]

thats why i have multiple

[strange sphinx]

I assumed you get what you get cause landing alone is a bad idea and try to land near team

[sullen gulch]

or i just pick my spot first and they follow

[strange sphinx]

Hmm yeah

I’m supposed to know that

After one week of playing

And no one even YouTubers mentioning it

[red trellis]

Well I tried to help ig

[strange sphinx]

Or the online game guide

wtf type of blame game is that?

[red trellis]

Eitherwise, I picked up on it bc someone said in a vid or so that shopping mall spawn place has a lotta golden chests that you can memorize

[strange sphinx]

Your fine

It’s the two others clowning on me like it’s basic maths

[red trellis]

And honestly its a good place, usually in 60% or 70% of games you only get to see a 1 team ever to contest it

[sand monolith]

Yeah. It's pretty basic knowledge knowing where you've gotta go and what path you gotta take to get levels

[sand monolith]

Nobody mentioned it because, yet again, it's game sense. Nobody should have to talk about it

[strange sphinx]

Dude omfg

[young sun]

I mean you're saying Asshaul's damage lacks when you're not getting levels consistently

[strange sphinx]

So how is someone new to the game

Supposed to know the specific paths for every map and location

[sand monolith]

By playing the game instead of complaining

[strange sphinx]

Magically hmm yeah this place has a rly good spot let me me memorize this randomly while learning character kits and how to fight

[sullen gulch]

youre not but it shouldnt be hard to figure it out after a bit

[young sun]

Playing on the maps help, some content creators usually cut out the looting phase because its boring. But there may be some who don't.

[sullen gulch]

at least figuring out where the spots to land for more stuff is

[red trellis]

I usually go with the most experienced looking guy (clan tag in username / achievemnt book 30 lvl / rainbow etc aura for costume) OR with early game weak characters so i can potentially help them
if too far away then i go my usual routes OR choose the one ik has a buncha civilian cages in it

[strange sphinx]

Yeah I know some places have more

But that’s one spot

[sullen gulch]

there you go

[strange sphinx]

Maps have different landing zones

[sand monolith]

You can also do easy CPU battles to find spits with loot

[strange sphinx]

It’s not common knowledge

[sullen gulch]

now travel from that spot to another spot with tons of loot

[sullen gulch]

theres a reason why we didnt mention it

[strange sphinx]

You guys have played for years in my first damn week and no one mentioned it

[red trellis]

Go bully somebody ingame then. The last time I've heard of "looting path" was in Wynncraft minecraft server and Hunger Games minecraft gamemode. If you never played any other Fortnitey game you would never care.

[young sun]

It is insanely rare to get completely maxed out from one area alone. Even if its a POI spot. You gotta move around too

[strange sphinx]

I do move around

But in a set path

[red trellis]

Idk about a set path, I avoid battles lol

[strange sphinx]

Yeah and my teammates also land in different places and I generally land around them

[sullen gulch]

ill take fights if i can win them but if not i just leave

[red trellis]

There's still a lotta places w fine loot, it's not worth it to die alone if you're stranded

[strange sphinx]

Yeah it’s basic knowledge to know optimal pathing on 4 maps

First week guys

[sullen gulch]

if i win more loot if i have to run i just go back to looting

[red trellis]

I think I was not done with my 60 tokoyami games in first week

[red trellis]

More or less helps getting vital ability to lvl 7-9 very quickly, like, 4 golden chests

[sullen gulch]

it doesnt have o be optimal it has to work

[strange sphinx]

Is there a place I can find the optimal looting paths then

[red trellis]

Idk I recommended mine

[sullen gulch]

i changed my looting path a few times because others just worked better for me but i doubt any of them are optimal for the characters i play (if optimal looting paths even exist lmao again they just have to work)

[strange sphinx]

I’m done

I’m dumb for not knowing what’s exactly not set but everyone knows it lol .

And it might not even exist

[sullen gulch]

???

[strange sphinx]

What you described was random looting in what’s generally good loot locations

Not looting paths like in lol or any other games with paths

[sullen gulch]

no what i said is that i changed my paths because i found more success with others

[strange sphinx]

Day one knowledge right?

[red trellis]

Shopping mall has up to 2-3 golden chests on the roof so you first check the roof, the caveat in the top side of the map of the building, and go to its lowest-left roof corner, then you go down and eat all the loot, there can be up to 6 golden chests scattered on side rooms but i usually find like 2-4, and also up to 3 in green gardeny areas on the center of the mall's floor zone

[young sun]

Have you played a battle royale game before

[sullen gulch]

you should have at least a path from one poi to the next similar to something like fortnite

[young sun]

Is this your first introduction to a battle royale game before

[strange sphinx]

Again thats moving from one named location

[red trellis]

me yes but ik you're not bullying me

[strange sphinx]

Not a set path

Everyone can see the map

Idk why you called it

Looting path

[sullen gulch]

yes that is a looting path

[red trellis]

and anyone can intercept you if you're alone there, but usually you're good to clear out an entire area with your team

[sullen gulch]

its more often than not just going from one spot to the next for more loot

every game

[strange sphinx]

You just go to shopping mall cause good loot and damn beach normally has decent loot let me check there . Everyone does that

[red trellis]

you make a habit / battleplan / lootingplan of spawning in same spot on same map

[strange sphinx]

You said it like iv been staying in one location

Looting the same place

[red trellis]

its not bad? it's good to do if you get to do that freely

[strange sphinx]

And that’s suddenly the reason I’m not getting levels

[strange sphinx]

Yeah I know

[red trellis]

beach is usually for support normies like kurogiri ngl

[strange sphinx]

Rly I’m just getting a little poke wit them

[young sun]

Are you immediately running away if anybody not your teammates land with you?

[red trellis]

baiting knowledge outta me- that wont really help unless it does

[strange sphinx]

If 3 people land on my location and I’m alone I light loot then run away

I don’t stay there so they can collapse on me

[red trellis]

fair

[young sun]

Right.

[red trellis]

THATS WHY I ALWAYS LAND ON THE HIGHEST TOP SPOT

so i can make sure i survive

[strange sphinx]

Still though

[young sun]

So then light loot and find elsewhere to loot. You won't always have your looting spots to yourself.

[red trellis]

idk i got addicted to the height supremacy

[young sun]

Just gotta adapt and learn what works

[strange sphinx]

I choose my landing location on a zone directly beside where my teammates are landing

[red trellis]

i sometimes dont ngl, i try to force the team to land w me by being first to confirm landspot

UNLESS i really wanna play around smb in the team, like tech AFO

[sullen gulch]

I do the same

[red trellis]

Then I'm their guard dog

[strange sphinx]

I’m trying to minimize the amount of people landing cross map away and dying and leaving my ranked game

Might as well land in a zone close by to help

[sullen gulch]

That’s good

[red trellis]

Ngl that didn't really stop my rapid bakugo from escaping from coffin and then going back to it to die instead of teaming up

[sullen gulch]

W teammate

[red trellis]

Sigh what have i missed while typing allat

[strange sphinx]

Iv screen shot the locations

So I’m Alr

[red trellis]

It's actually very newbie friendly that you're able to play on the same map for an entire hour

Unlike in hunger games in minecraft

Where you get random map each battle

[red trellis]

Ohh my ramblings? Youre welcome

[red trellis]

So like, if you are capable of playing a char that has extremely good mobility or can ignore players, you can kinda scout best places for yourself if desired, despite there being player teams.

Like trying out mirio probably

[strange sphinx]

End of it all I still think he needs more burst for a single target focused assault

Not insanely much

Just to make his early levels easier

Or just buff the reload speed

[red trellis]

ohh you play league of legends? nah really there you only get to do that if you're the jungler, and thats about it but yeah it is SLIGHTLY similar, and you can do the same thing here with avoiding battle and counter-jungling. Otherwise its a lame example bc here we got a much bigger map w more options.

Civilians are usually packed in one-two areas, on the edges of the map, kinda like in circles across the entire map huh, and can be packed-found in destructible buildings

[red trellis]

Yeah maybeee
Ngl if they're in my face and I got everything on cooldown i just use melees to catch up

[strange sphinx]

I try to do that

[strange sphinx]

Maybe I’m too sacred to melee cause I’m conditioned to run away

[red trellis]

Also sometimes the golden chests are scummily hidden LMAO

[strange sphinx]

Iv faced ofa deku and tech shigi

A lot

And the new strike afo punch man so staying close to them is rly bad

[red trellis]

aww mann
His melee is kinda good, good tracking if you LOOK at your enemy and move towards them, and it's got a lingering aoe on the third hit

More of a supphaul thing though

[strange sphinx]

Try to spam the air melee but it just feels like if I for it I get busted up too quick and it’s rly bad if I miss

[red trellis]

Wouldn't mind to play together tho, and- oh i remembered another lootpath ive got

[strange sphinx]

Maybe next time cause I have class In the morning and rather not miss it

Would like to see what yall do to say assault is decent .

I sound pessimistic but I do want to pick him up . Just hard to not focus on his weaknesses when it’s very glaring

And other chars don’t gotta bother with that

[red trellis]

So in the coffin map I have another option to the top-right-highest-peak right

There's a big white building in the bottom part of the map, I spawn on the right cliff-edge of it, the edge of the slums entrance (took me a while to find on the map actually!) and first check out the broken bridge loots nearby (the broken bridges water murky area) and after that I enter the big slums and clear it out. this sewer area has like 3 golden chests usually? including the nearest bridge check, but then you can enter the underground lab of that big white building and there's 2-3 golden chests you can loot by entering it, and you then go into the lab and open chests further up to 4 in the area iirc and break open the glass tanks with items you need (big backpack, lvlup cards, needed cards)

it's usually much better pick for chars that lack mobility / are indoors traps makers and fighters, so i frequent that when i feel like choosing top tower isnt secure

oh! and sewers usually has 2-3 rescuees, and the underground lab has like another 2 usually! inside of the white building you can find a medbay wing with another potential 2, and around 3-4 spots with a lotta loots (including 2-4 golden chests)

the coffin itself (central building) is a pretty good spawn but it's too contested, it's better to check in midgame imo

dear god i forgor how maps look like

[desert canyon]

They should give him a second gamma at lvl 4

[noble kraken]

He’s already really good, he doesn’t need it tbh.

[desert canyon]

His gamma sometimes just doesn't land even if you hit the opponent and you don't get any priority

I mean yeha

He doesn't need it

But atleast buff the range

Or smthn

[strange sphinx]

Maybe i just play him differently

I prefer playing him more mid ranged so I don’t have to rely on melee with how many herous can oneshot at that range

So this melee cancel stuff I never considered doing or attempting cause honestly vs so many herous with mobility having to rush to them is a weird idea

[noble kraken]

That’s where your problem is, the melee cancel combo is such enormous dmg output, it’s what makes the ground gamma worth it

[strange sphinx]

Yeah but so many herous has crazy hitboxes close range

Like herous like lightning boy

(Forgot his name)

So I rly just keep the though with his moving alpha and using it as a kiting tool to get away and deal damage and try to go for one combos with air gamma to do small burst then run away

[noble kraken]

Denki’s dash is so readable, if you play it safe on a character who does bad mid-ranged damage you’re not gonna win often

[strange sphinx]

Yeah but you can always mess up and get one tapped

[noble kraken]

You’re not getting one tapped cuz you’re on overhaul, if you get hit by the stun you just special action and swat him away

[strange sphinx]

Yes and no . I always assume his team is close by to support him

Sometimes they aren’t and I get away easily and can try to kill him

[noble kraken]

And in situations you don’t have it against him, sure, play it safe. But all I can really say is you’ve gotta get better, so you can have more confidence at fighting characters close ranged

[strange sphinx]

But I generally struggle without gamma to get damage off

[strange sphinx]

True it might be a skill issue

But you can’t blame me

All the meta herous counters are all about staying away

[noble kraken]

Not blaming you, but if you let fear control your playstyle then you’ll never unleash asshaul’s full potential

[upper dirge]

Im going to be honest with you if it makes it feel better and say you arent the only one who doesnt know this "basic" game knowledge...people calling it basic are people that are veterans at the game.... ima say that- well it isnt very basic because youd be surprised to know how many players dont know this

Instead of calling it a looting path its more....places you can recall usually and often having the most loot without having a set path

[strange sphinx]

That was just miss understanding

[strange sphinx]

Yeah exactly

I was confused cause like

Since when where they actual set paths people follow and not just go to location to loot

[upper dirge]

My "looting path" just happened naturally because i noticed having the most success in finding loot in that specific area and just memorized where they are at. But most of the time its just

I land and just know where stuff is

Its frantic for the most part

But the real idea behind it is that and what they dont tell u

Dont fight early fights if u dont have to

[strange sphinx]

Nahh

[upper dirge]

100% of the time its better to avoid early fights and loot and fight later

[strange sphinx]

You always gotta fight the teams while level one and if you don’t follow your throwing ofc

My teammates

[upper dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/ju-fufu-zenless-zone-zero-zzz-zzz-ju-fufu-gif-14119905922036611615

Thats how u lose games XD

Who do u think u are rapidku?

There are like a set amount of characters that can fight reallly well with lvl 1 abilities

Asshaul is oddly enough one of them if youve mastered him but its typically always better to havr at least

All lvl 4 or an important ability at lvl 7 and above

Different for every character ofc

Lol if you were there in the trenches of MHUR where if u died and got rezzed your levels would start back to lvl 1

And loot did NOT respawn

https://klipy.com/gifs/itadori-itadori-yuji-3

Imagine fighting lvl 9 nagant and you who just respawned lvl 1 abilities as assault deku

Then we have her teammates

Lol back then theyd let u rez knowing that u stood no chance.

[forest marten]

Doesn't it still not respawn

[upper dirge]

Yep! Exactly

Which goes to my main point that its always better to loot early on so you dont have to worry about lvls later on and just fight with what you manage to gain

[forest marten]

There is no reason to do this but like fluff your ego

[upper dirge]

^

People did that back then the old fashioned way because they were just-

They had the luxury to do so since you wouldnt have full gp upon spawn

[forest marten]

This

[upper dirge]

Tho certain characters couldnt do that

Cuz they SUCKED at lvl 1

Compress and blue ochaco being the main ones

Ibara too even lmao

[forest marten]

My yellowku was so good when I cld kill ppl off spawn

Now I just get killed if I do that

[upper dirge]

Exactly yellow ku could dominate. Redku too

There are characters that could quite literally prove to be COMPLETELY useless

With lvl 1 abilities

In fights especially

[forest marten]

Back then I lowk didn't realize how much it'd affect me ngl

[upper dirge]

Cuz youll look at the storm circle then at ur lvls

9 times out of 10 if you found a team doing SO MUCH more damage than u despite hitting them so much

You would lose.

[forest marten]

Only so much one guy can do

No matter how cracked you are

[upper dirge]

The reason i couldnt get to ace back then was because i didnt grasp this concept

But im ngl it was quite unfair for some mains for players becaude they couldnt escape and so if they died and they had levels

All those rainbows u spent?

Gone.

People had every incentive to leave the match

I would too dont get me wrong

Ibara for example oh god....ibara for example

[forest marten]

The game would lowk die if they kept ts

The losing levels I mean

[upper dirge]

Yeha ik

It had to go

It made it hard for new players to enjoy the game

And even enjoy a character

They found interest in

[forest marten]

It lowk still kinda is

Bc matchmaking is abyssmal

[upper dirge]

I hate that you are right

Because youll come across apex tier character like rapidku with no game knowledge and new to the game

And just lose because the character is better and the player is carried by said character

Ive seen newbie lobbies and omg i swear these rapidkus are dominating...

It actually really ticked me off

[forest marten]

Worse yet if they melee loop you

[upper dirge]

^^^

Now sure it means that rapidku will OVERDRIVE thru the lower ranks

Get up to ace and BE IN YOUR MATCHMAKING AND YOUR TEAMMATE

Learn NOTHING about the game and that teamwork matters

And just go in like "Yey my main is raPiDkU i gOt tHiS. I gOt tHiS fAr wItHoUt tEamMatEs. I dOnt neEd tHem"

Only to get a harsh reminder that there are levels to this.

And they can only get away with that nonsense in the lower ranks

The scary part is

Im not even kidding

Its real and its sad

[forest marten]

The matchmaking had felt slightly better for me this szn

But it's still pretty bad

[upper dirge]

No its baf

Bad

Still bad

Feels bad

Now people go by book lvls

Which honestly

Makes sense

[forest marten]

Ohh yeah that helps

[upper dirge]

Got a lvl 18 book and he was a liability

[forest marten]

I think I just have less tech shiggys in my lobbies is all

[upper dirge]

Lucky you.

Everytime i breathe is how often i get a tech shiggy on my team

Who ALSO plays like its solo

[forest marten]

Now I'm gonna log on TN and see 5 tech shiggy every match

[upper dirge]

Yes take my unluck

Oh and throw in a rapidku in there

Just to rub in a little salt in the wound

[forest marten]

Don't agree with the jinx 😭