Twice

[vague gate]

Plus if you rewatch I never got hit with a bomb only alpha, and it still one tapped me within milliseconds, nothing in the game does that but cheats

[fast lagoon]

Or lag

[vague gate]

No way y’all are defending such nefarious actions, it’s blatant cheating 😭

[fast lagoon]

I’m not defending it I’m just proposing a different way that can happen

[vague gate]

Fair enough, still don’t think anything will change my mind otherwise

Too fast for it to happen

[untold timber]

It’s not too fast and the bomb could’ve just barely hit you because I do see a shockwave

But it is a cheater though

Reason being

Fire rate

[untold timber]

That’s the kind of damage you get when you have no stuns, no armor, no tracking, and below average aoe

[pure parrot]

I tht it was just lag ngl 😭

[untold timber]

What’s twice worst match up…

[fast lagoon]

mirio

[untold timber]

I’ve been in a lobby with a cheating one 3 times now…

[fast lagoon]

dodge the lobby

[untold timber]

Easier said than done

[fast lagoon]

i dont think anyone would blame you

[untold timber]

Also I want him to suffer

8 CLONES

BEGINNING OF THE GAME

[fast lagoon]

anyone with armor

[quick zealot]

I have a friend who won a 1v3 as twice and I'm just proud af so I'm gonna share his stuff

[iron cypress]

I’m Twicing it guys

[fast lagoon]

Huge Ws

[last star]

what should I change?

[fast lagoon]

I’d swap revenge tech for afo tune and hp sucker for either fixer or speedy blues

[last star]

thanks boss, will do

[fast lagoon]

If you don’t want afo tune in the right slot then do hp sucker

[last star]

Im thinking itd be fun to try I can do AFO, need 25 more for fixer

anything on the minors?

[fast lagoon]

Also you may wanna swap todo and bakugo so you get more alpha damage

[last star]

perfect, I knew I was missing something

[fast lagoon]

And then you don’t have to do this but a personal change I’d make is swapping todo for a beta attack so your combos end harder

[last star]

I have trouble landing that beta at the end of the a g a g b

[fast lagoon]

And for the raw betas too (gamma attack works very well I just like that extra damage on the summon more since I try to do the max damage combo which hits less of the gammas)

[fast lagoon]

Are you walking backwards as you do it?

Because that helps make everything connect and it also helps miss a gamma slash so you can hit the final beta

Also cancelling beta in the middle of the gamma helps

Like this

[last star]

ill give it some more prac

[fast lagoon]

Alr

It is some getting used to so I can’t blame you

Oh another thing to note is that lower level betas (I don’t have the specific levels though) are harder to land at the end because they have a smaller summoning hitbox

[azure gate]

Is there a possibility of twice getting another skill set?

[fast lagoon]

Far down the line probably

[azure gate]

Like how far

[fast lagoon]

Rn they’re doing base roster characters so once they stop doing just base roster they may start making a twice qss

[fast lagoon]

I don’t know I’m sorry

[azure gate]

Ight coo thanks

[fast lagoon]

Once the hey do something that wasn’t in the game on release (I believe aizawa counts as he was added in season one not part of the beta roster) we can see what skills they do

[fast lagoon]

Yeah I’d say that’s good

[last star]

ill get fixer and report back

[fast lagoon]

Only other change I’d make is swap gamma defense for alpha because being in the sky is really bad against beamers

But that’s more a personal thing again because everyone gets hit by different attacks more

[last star]

will do

[fast lagoon]

I just tend to get beamed a ton

[last star]

cant blame my skill issue on a tune anymnore

😛

I've been going g9 b9 a9

you like that?

[fast lagoon]

If you get fixer I would recommend swapping bakugo and endeavor for the boosted hp damage

[fast lagoon]

Yeah that’s what I do

Tunes just give you enough damage on alpha to level it last

Freaking busted ngl

[untold timber]

You all are sinful…

Thats crazy damage

With no tuning either…

[fast lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/smirk-teehee-pokemon-laugh-psyduck-gif-10282192216865852036

[fast lagoon]

How to play Twice. combos, tuning, and more!
https://youtu.be/8H4s9YKFnpg

I made a thing so uh ye

[minor terrace]

Hey so today marks the day I start my twice training arc which I kept delaying
So I am already decent with this character but I want to be a pro but I have a few problems I need help with
First for the gamma combos, is there any other ways to stop the slashing part at the end aside from beta or air melee?
Second what can I do to prevent beta startup from hitting behind the opponents in the end of my combos?

Third what are the differences between having shields or not regarding gamma combos?

[fast lagoon]

From my testing you only cancel the gammas with beta (you just have good spacing with your gamma air melees) for beta it’s either too low level and so the hitbox is smaller (I like to air melee if my beta misses like that to try and salvage it) or you’re holding forward for too long when you go for the finish and for shields nothing much changes at all except that a few characters can act in between the gammas depending on how far you are between the gammas

Also the gamma air melee alpha combo lets you replace the alpha with a beta easier as if your air melee doesnt hard knock in that combo it only locks them in place for a second

[minor terrace]

OK ty for help bro

[last star]

Nice work

[ionic saffron]

Any tips for Twice?

And some usefull things to know about his clones?

I'm confused how they work exactly

[noble breach]

twice combos?

[ionic saffron]

Sure

What is Twice's best special tuning?

[noble breach]

no i was asking for them

[ionic saffron]

Oh

[noble breach]

but i found a combo. gamma into gamma cancel beta. dont let the second gamma do dmg ur supposed to spam beta right after pressing gamma there

[fast lagoon]

do the combos clone when its safe and use melee

[fast lagoon]

strongest one as of current

[ionic saffron]

That one is hard

I need a mentor

[fast lagoon]

I can help

[noble breach]

how do u fit in the second gamma after the alpha

[fast lagoon]

by walking backwards

[noble breach]

HUH

wait so can i do gamma alpha gamma beta

[fast lagoon]

yes

[noble breach]

so after i do the first gamma i walk backwards while doing alpha? why

[ionic saffron]

What is the limit for clones i can have?

[fast lagoon]

so it connects

[fast lagoon]

which ones

[ionic saffron]

Special action

[fast lagoon]

i think 8 but youre never getting that many

[noble breach]

ok..

[unreal dock]

Same can we do it together I wanna become a pro with him to

[unreal dock]

How you do this

[fast lagoon]

walk backwards as you perform it

[unreal dock]

Can you teach me some twice combos in game?

[fast lagoon]

not atm but i can in a week or so

schools almost out and i think itd work best then

[unreal dock]

Ok

You can’t do it after school?

And tmr Sunday your not free?

[fast lagoon]

rn im just really behind on math is all

i would otherwise but i need to catch up

iirc though i only have monday and tuesday and then a test on wednesday and just some plans on friday and saturday so i should be able to help better on thursday and any time after saturday

[unreal dock]

Ok

I’ll dm in your Thursday

[fast lagoon]

alr

[minor terrace]

So the main thing you need to master is his gamma alpha gamma combo

[unreal dock]

Have to wait until Thursday

[minor terrace]

Everything from there is about timing that's it

[minor terrace]

OK I will just put the main things here and you practice whenever you want

[unreal dock]

Ok

[minor terrace]

So gamma has 2 important parts
1- the stun part which is the whole point
2- the slash part at the end which can only hit 4 times before knockdown

Each gamma has 2 slashes btw

[unreal dock]

Ok

Thx

[fast lagoon]

I mean you can still practice it before then

[unreal dock]

Ok

[noble breach]

how do u do gamma alpha gamma beta

[sharp plover]

7 bodies on the field

https://medal.tv/games/my-hero-ultra-rumble/clips/kvtcxdfZquq8VfWo7?invite=cr-MSxScG8sMzAyNTA4Mzk2

i count 9 bodies in this clip

might be a lil unfair to the other trios

[fast lagoon]

Walk backwards as you perform it and if you hit three slashes before the beta cancel the fourth slash of gamma for a beta

[noble breach]

it feels like i don't have time to walk backwards

[fast lagoon]

No no you just walk backwards as you do it

It doesn’t feel like you are or it feels like it does nothing but it does help

[noble breach]

Okay thanks

[bold juniper]

A whole, entire, 1 damage

Devastated

Curled into a ball rn, sobbing. A whole 1 point

[vague gate]

This gotta be a joke bruh

[karmic jewel]

I can't wait to do a whole 3 damage less now

+HP tuning slots are up

[bold juniper]

It's so peak

[elfin depot]

They tryna make twice unplayable w this nerf

[bold juniper]

Gotta be

[unreal dock]

Yo are u busy today?

[fast lagoon]

I don’t have a lot to do so I can spare some time ye

[unreal dock]

Ok

Rn?

[fast lagoon]

I do have to ask in what way

Because I can’t vc

[unreal dock]

Well if you can’t vc can you later?

[fast lagoon]

No I mean I just can’t vc

Like at all

I can do all but that

[unreal dock]

Oh ok

You got a room code

[fast lagoon]

Apologies but I can help in any way I can

[fast lagoon]

No but I can make one

[unreal dock]

Ok

[unreal dock]

Code

[fast lagoon]

do you want a customs or a lobby

[unreal dock]

Lobby

[fast lagoon]

aight gimme like 4 seconds

[unreal dock]

Ok

[fast lagoon]

62256

[unreal dock]

Here

[fast lagoon]

what system do you play on?

[unreal dock]

Chxo

Xbox

[fast lagoon]

aight lemme change a setting rq

i have your gamma range now

[unreal dock]

Ok

How

[fast lagoon]

i just turned on vsync

[unreal dock]

Oh

Btw can you teach me all the combos

[fast lagoon]

what do you wanna know rn

i can teach you all the ones i know yeah

[unreal dock]

All of them and the most dmging one

[fast lagoon]

ima just move afo more to the center so i dont have to run around so much

[unreal dock]

Ok

[fast lagoon]

what all do you already know

[unreal dock]

Nothing expect gamma m1

[fast lagoon]

aight i got you

beta didnt hit because i hit four slashes mb

[unreal dock]

Oh

[fast lagoon]

beta alpha

im sure you know gamma beta

[unreal dock]

It’s not hitting

[fast lagoon]

you can only do one alpha after if thats whats wrong

[unreal dock]

Oh you right

[fast lagoon]

can you do gamma alpha gamma?

[unreal dock]

I’ll try

[fast lagoon]

yup

[unreal dock]

I did it right?

[fast lagoon]

and you missed a slash or two so you can do a follow up melee or beta

[fast lagoon]

yessir

[unreal dock]

What slash I miss

[fast lagoon]

a gamma slash

[unreal dock]

Ok so when I do aloha

Alpha

[fast lagoon]

he has two slashes in his gamma and you missed one which lets you do more

you can only hit 4 before knockdown

[unreal dock]

Oh should I let the gamma play out

[fast lagoon]

that was mb i tried to kmove him closer

sorry

[unreal dock]

So let the gamma play out then alpha

[fast lagoon]

but nah you were doing it right

[unreal dock]

It’s not working anymore

[fast lagoon]

come back up

and are you moving back as you do it because that mat be the problem

[unreal dock]

Oh you right

[fast lagoon]

that and the wall didnt help

[unreal dock]

So gamma alpha twice and then beta

[fast lagoon]

it makes the combos a little harder

[fast lagoon]

no gamma alpha gamma beta

[unreal dock]

Ok

Idk how about this second slash

I’m not doing it to get the full dmg

[fast lagoon]

for the one that finishes with beta you dont have to worry about missing the second slash

you can just cancel you gamma with beta

[unreal dock]

Ok

[fast lagoon]

oh also it idnt a necessity but i find combos eaier after i jump

[unreal dock]

But how do I hit the second slash on gamma

[fast lagoon]

theyre still possible grounded i just think theyre easier

you already are

[unreal dock]

But you said I missed earlier

[fast lagoon]

no you did but that was just spacing

youre closer rn so everything it hitting

[unreal dock]

Oh

Oh I was wondering why it never rlly hit

Btw do I alpha cancel

[fast lagoon]

just alpha and then gamma immediately after

[unreal dock]

Ok

For some reason my stuff not connecting like it did first time

[untold timber]

WHAT IS THIS MONKEY PAW CURL F-ING NERF BRO T-T

[fast lagoon]

are you still walking backwards because that looked like it should have hit tbh

[unreal dock]

Yea

[fast lagoon]

you did it

[unreal dock]

Not rlly

It would’ve did more dmg I missed alpha

[fast lagoon]

wym?

[unreal dock]

He falls before I can do bets

Beta

[fast lagoon]

did you not alpha in between

[unreal dock]

No

[fast lagoon]

lemme show you something rq

[unreal dock]

Ok

How are you doing that

[fast lagoon]

you can cancel the gamma with beta

[fast lagoon]

just press beta after gamma

[unreal dock]

Ok

[fast lagoon]

once you start moving you can beta whenever

[unreal dock]

It dosent work

[fast lagoon]

so in that combo you can only hit one slash then cancel into beta

[unreal dock]

Oh I have to spam press beta

[fast lagoon]

that works

[unreal dock]

I did it finally

[karmic jewel]

Still laughing at Twice's nerf bro

[fast lagoon]

yup thats a strong variation of it

[karmic jewel]

😭

[unreal dock]

So those the only combos?

[fast lagoon]

ima just pull her from the well when needed

[fast lagoon]

oh no theres more

[unreal dock]

Ok

[fast lagoon]

lemme bring a bot rq

[unreal dock]

Ok

[fast lagoon]

ill start with the simple stuff agaub

again

[unreal dock]

Ok

[fast lagoon]

you can replace the beta with an alpha but its way weaker

try air meleeing in their face for being out in the open

[unreal dock]

Ok

[fast lagoon]

theres not much to it its just something that happens naturally

[unreal dock]

Was the one I practicing his strongest combo

[fast lagoon]

lemme check one combo rq

[fast lagoon]

kinda yeah

[unreal dock]

Oh

[fast lagoon]

actually no theresone more thats stronger but i can only send a clip because i havent mastered it yet

[unreal dock]

Ok

[fast lagoon]

lemme do the strongest one i know rq

[unreal dock]

Ok

It looks the same what you do differnt

[untold timber]

1 damage

[fast lagoon]

i alpha in between the gammas and cancel the second slash from the second gamma into beta

[untold timber]

Stocks are down

Twice is unplayable

[fast lagoon]

i also begin with an alpha

all twice combos can start with an alpha

[unreal dock]

Ok so alpha gamma alpha gamma cancel beta?

[fast lagoon]

yup

[unreal dock]

Ok

[fast lagoon]

you have the motions down but the clone is kinda messing you up tbh

[unreal dock]

Yea ik

[fast lagoon]

what i do is i just run up to another bot and place a new clone so i dont mess up my combos

[unreal dock]

Ok

[fast lagoon]

ima reset so theyre on bridge again rq

[unreal dock]

Ok

[fast lagoon]

are you still moving backwards

[unreal dock]

Yea

[fast lagoon]

oh weird

ok

[unreal dock]

lol

Idk why he keep hitting the floor

[fast lagoon]

same

maybe comboing midair is the play rn

[unreal dock]

That’s not working me either

[fast lagoon]

yeha jump beforehand so its just easier

yeah i really dont know why it did that

[unreal dock]

Yes mines not working at all

[fast lagoon]

if you did an alpha in between the gammas there i think you wouldve gotten it

[unreal dock]

I am

[fast lagoon]

oh do you have lag?

[unreal dock]

I think it’s cuz he got nerfed

No

[fast lagoon]

thats what affects me in my combos soimetimes

[fast lagoon]

nah the nerf was just damage no shadow changes were made to twice

[unreal dock]

I see

Wanna play ranked?

[fast lagoon]

is there anything else you wanna learn?

[unreal dock]

Yea

I seen you use strike shoto

[fast lagoon]

aight lots of these arent the hardest or strongest but theyre very useful to know

[unreal dock]

Ok

Can you teach me them

[fast lagoon]

yup

im just trying to get the combo down again rq

[unreal dock]

Ok

[fast lagoon]

melee one melee two beta is a combo you should use

[unreal dock]

Ok

[fast lagoon]

melee is strong in general so finishing it with beta is incredible

[unreal dock]

Ok

[fast lagoon]

oh for shoto?

[unreal dock]

Yea

[fast lagoon]

oh

[unreal dock]

But I’ll still use the twice combo

[fast lagoon]

yeah i dont know much about him tbh

[unreal dock]

Oh

Mt lady?

[fast lagoon]

lemme check what i do know though because i have a couple combos i do

[unreal dock]

Ok

[fast lagoon]

i know stuff but im not the one to teach them

[unreal dock]

Oh ok

[fast lagoon]

sorry

[unreal dock]

It’s fine

Do you sprint when you m1

[fast lagoon]

i do but i dont think thats a necessity

[unreal dock]

I do because the without sprint I think it’s doge able

[fast lagoon]

same

but idk i just do it now

the only other combo i know is melee one melee two beta beta

[unreal dock]

Ok

Don’t work

[fast lagoon]

oh?

no watch rq

[unreal dock]

Ok

[fast lagoon]

you do the two melees into beta beta

try it again that one just had too many hits and knocked early

[unreal dock]

Oh it work

[fast lagoon]

sweet

but yeah thats all i know for todo sorry

[unreal dock]

It’s ok thx

For the help

[fast lagoon]

well i gtg now

[unreal dock]

Ok thx

[fast lagoon]

lemme know if you need help with twice and ill do all i can

[unreal dock]

Ok

Thx

[fast lagoon]

i think rn all you would need to do is practice the gamma alpha gamma beta combo

[unreal dock]

I will do

[red relic]

dude i genuielly cant

twice unplayable now

[fast lagoon]

skissue

oh wait this is sarcasm hold on

mb mb

[ashen tulip]

i think he pretty easy to play im not having trouble but i am expert rank so i might have easier enemies

[red relic]

I tried

his nerf is insane

[fast lagoon]

It’s 3 damage

[bold juniper]

We won't ever recover

[ashen tulip]

unfortunately twice may never be runable again 💔

[iron cypress]

Twice is F tier now

[untold timber]

How do some of you guys live with yourselves…

[fast lagoon]

easily

hope this helps

[untold timber]

Special action reload + fixer twice in solos doing 300 dmg combos…

And emote spamming…

[untold timber]

Not you

Your cool

[fast lagoon]

i use embrittlement

and play twice in solos

difference being i dont spam emotes nor clone

[untold timber]

Slightly less cool

Still cool though

[fast lagoon]

i rely on my raw kit and skill alone

[untold timber]

Emote spamming like I didnt just fight the sad man’s parade

[fast lagoon]

how many

im sure it was at least a couple right

[untold timber]

5

[fast lagoon]

oof

yeah im sory for your loss

no one can fight that

[untold timber]

9 including him and his sa clone twice making another clone

[fast lagoon]

wait sa twices can spawn clones now?

[untold timber]

I barely survived our first encounter with Mirio blood

[untold timber]

Couldn’t they always?

[fast lagoon]

first they can roll next they just occasionally gain immortality now sa clones can beta

this is getting ba

bad

[fast lagoon]

no sa twices specifically couldnt beta but they could still use every other move

[untold timber]

i’m not trying to bad mouth yalls main in the twice main channel but man…

[fast lagoon]

ill get rid of the bad twices one day

i got you

[untold timber]

All I want is for one of the two of these things gone from his gamma

1: the stun

2: the tracking

[untold timber]

Yep just tested it

[fast lagoon]

thats stupid

[untold timber]

I hate this…

[fast lagoon]

yeah wth

[untold timber]

How many SA clones can twice have Again?

[fast lagoon]

idk

i think its unlimited but realistically youre getting only 8

they finish too fast for more after a bit

[untold timber]

To be on the safe side I’ll just say 6

So theoretically you could have 12 teammates if they’re all twice

+1 including your own clone

…

I think that’ll be it

That will be the day I delete this game…

[iron cypress]

this has always been possible

its why Twice is a high priority on my clone list, at least for me

[untold timber]

That does NOT make me feel any better

[iron cypress]

be lucky Twice clones can’t use their own special actions LOOL

[iron cypress]

7

[untold timber]

I don’t wanna play against a sad man’s parade T-T

https://tenor.com/view/sad-mans-party-gif-22957521

[iron cypress]

lore accurate Twice

[ashen tulip]

beautiful

[untold timber]

Genuinely what do I do against you guys?

It seems like you guys just gamma my get up each and every time

It just works cause it has super strong tracking and I just don’t have enough invincibility frames to get away away

That on top of me dying in two engagements

[fast lagoon]

Just stay away

Twice is only really strong in his range so if you zone him out he struggles a bit

[bold juniper]

Much easier said than done

It also isn't an option for some characters

There's also the fact that, it isn't hard to get the drop on someone as Twice in a lot of scenarios

[fast lagoon]

It’s an option for everyone

[fast lagoon]

Yeah but that’s also just part of his playstyle so that’s not a you thing thats just a twice thing

It is annoying tbb

Ong

[bold juniper]

It is, for sure

[fast lagoon]

Omg

Tbh

[bold juniper]

Twice is one of those characters where "Stay away" is your best option, but it isn't always an option you have

[fast lagoon]

Every character has a way to get someone off them in some way

So it’s always an option for everyone it’s just weaker for others

[bold juniper]

Smaller circles, 3rd parrying, Twice ambushing you, among other things are situations where "Stay away" is extremely hard if not impossible

It's like if I tell someone to "Just dodge" while fighting Mic

[fast lagoon]

The funniest part is Ive seen people say just dodge twice and I think it’s so funny

[bold juniper]

Same

"Just dodge the frame 1 stun lmao"

[fast lagoon]

If that tape connects with you even in the roll you’re getting slashed (on higher fps)

That melee is hard to dodge

And the clone aimbot is crazy

[bold juniper]

Exactly

I'm not too sure what to do ab Twice. Most I can realistically think of is making his gamma how it was at launch

That's honestly how I prefer it tbh

[fast lagoon]

Nah I like the combos

My solution if they weren’t going to fix the gamma was make all damage level one damage

And I have a lot of reasons why it would be good

[bold juniper]

I would like them more if they didn't hold your hand and tell you that there aren't monsters under the bed

[fast lagoon]

That just don’t though

[bold juniper]

They're not hard to pull off at all, they require the smallest amount of timing, but that's ab it. They aren't demanding, difficult, and there isn't a ton of real variety if I'm being honest

I love Twice, dude's my favorite in mha, but his current style just isn't it for me. Gamma > whatever you feel like bc it'll just work

[fast lagoon]

Everyone can have their opinions ig

[bold juniper]

Well, I can't see much variety, I can do whatever I want on Twice with no real consequence. Only thing that's difficult is fighting more than 1 person

[fast lagoon]

On high fps o can see it ig as most of your combos are taken away but on lower fps while the range is insane you get a ton of combos

[bold juniper]

Oh, yeah, for sure

but I don't tend to take that into account a lot of the times, simply bc I'm only ever really on Xbox. That's where my main boredom comes in

[fast lagoon]

I used to be a switch twice

I still am but I’ve played pc enough to play the character not my console

[bold juniper]

I used to play on switch early on, but I haven't touched it in a while

[fast lagoon]

Don’t it’s pain

[bold juniper]

God, I can only imagine

Last I played on switch was season 2

[fast lagoon]

The only reason I still play it is because all my stuff is still on it

[bold juniper]

Maybe late season 1

[fast lagoon]

That and I have joycons so I can play my characters easier imo

[buoyant vessel]

whats the best twice build

[sharp plover]

theres only one build rn for twice that can be categorized as "broken" in pure damage numbers
this is the build i use, but variations can be made to fit how you enjoy it

[fast lagoon]

This is a busted build too

[sharp plover]

the damage buff is crazy tho, at just level 1 your alphas do damage equal to the level 4 version
before the 1 damage nerf it used to be equal to level 6 off bat

[sharp plover]

yea any melee proc for twice is really good

gamma braindead combo lol

i personally perfer the AFO tuning as well cuse it just lets me make so many clones

ive reached final circle with like a total of 8 bodies including my teammates before

[fast lagoon]

Twice is one of the few characters that still gets a ton of value from embrittlement

[sharp plover]

and its just striaght unfair lol

[fast lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-blah-blah-all-talk-gif-15302271

[fast lagoon]

It is

[sharp plover]

hey im not thrashing it (im an avid user myself)

[fast lagoon]

Three and a bit teams in one

[sharp plover]

lemme see if i can find the lcip

https://medal.tv/games/my-hero-ultra-rumble/clips/kvtcxdfZquq8VfWo7?invite=cr-MSxMNXMsMzAyNTA4Mzk2

its actually just terrifying

[fast lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/avengers-end-game-avengers-assemble-avengers-marvel-gif-14143205

[sharp plover]

LOL yea literally 😭

the tuning buffs applies to his own clones too so its just like

😭 let them live twice surely it cant be that deep

[fast lagoon]

Oh yeah that’s another thing for embrittlement too

If a clone melees they get the debuff so it’s awesome

And I know I just said that twice still gets crazy value from embrittle but after the nerf I decided to experiment and indestructible twice is insane too

Rn some tunes I’d run in the special slot are sisterly (hit a fan though) embrittle indestructible and revenge assault

[sharp plover]

indestructible with the gamma combos 😭

[fast lagoon]

Free heals free clones free combos and beta cant be interrupted

Only issue is that it has a weird way to proc it and it doesn’t give any other buff (make it a toned down kiri sa on down I beg) but otherwise it’s very strong

[sharp plover]

lol theyll be saving that for other skillset tunings in the future i bet

cant make the base tunings too strong otherwise people wont whale on the game

[fast lagoon]

Maybe

Sisterly was busted and it was a base tune

[sharp plover]

yea i was about to say

and then theres sisterly

[fast lagoon]

And there are tunes that are just as strong or even surpass the skill set tune

[untold timber]

If he gets me with one game, there’s no leaving to zone him out

He’ll just catch my wake up every single time

[fast lagoon]

who do you play

[untold timber]

[fast lagoon]

beta

he loses hard to armor

[untold timber]

Works “sometimes”

[fast lagoon]

gamma works too but its worse

[untold timber]

His gamma out ranges ours

Our beta only works at very close range

It’s pretty useless otherwise

So unless he’s sniffing my nose hairs and his double is dead already it sucks

[fast lagoon]

dawg i just said he loses to armor

if you armor through his gamma he cant do anything

[sharp plover]

if you are fighting a twice as ibara dont run
legit just run up to him and melt him

[fast lagoon]

he loses all control

[sharp plover]

ibaras arent supposed to be running much in the first place its really a do or die situation for ibaras

same with yellow kiri

[fast lagoon]

and your beta has range so you can beat him out easily

[untold timber]

I suck at talking but I’ll show my point In these 3 quick videos

You guys do have a point though

But I’m dealing with the Almighty switch twice

Did I explain this well?

[untold timber]

Twice outranges it

And there’s a sour spot to it

[sharp plover]

yea i get your point

at that point its just dodge fest honestly

bad match up

[untold timber]

This isn’t even considering the clones, his mobility, how all our moves lock us in place etc…

[silk axle]

i feel so bad for yall

yall got the biggest nerf

[young marsh]

Not to be that guy, but just can't u alpha?

If ur in the air high enough and get combod, twice will to. Air recovery to force him to gamma soon/when he is in the air so he is easier to predict and punish. A general weakness to him.

But yeah ibara should be able to handle twice imo. Only the bots/ clones would be problematic if ur alpha can't hit them and twice when he is going for combos

[young marsh]

.

[granite latch]

Twice is so fun to use

[fast lagoon]

fr

[fast lagoon]

ik hes unplayable now

killed the character smh

[silk axle]

fr

rip

[drowsy crescent]

Twice be fun but I just feel bad using him

Like, the Gamma stun is insane

Sheer damage that can happen within like 3 seconds

[karmic jewel]

He's the coughing baby now

🥀

[granite latch]

I love playing trickster twice

[true slate]

we got the CRAZIEST nerf

[fast lagoon]

Ong

[ionic saffron]

Any usefull tips for playing with Twice?

[fast lagoon]

Learn the combos abuse melee

[ionic saffron]

What's so good about the melee?

[fast lagoon]

It’s a lunge melee

Think of hawks but less cool

And only a little less broken

[ionic saffron]

Whats a lunge melee?

[fast lagoon]

A melee that launches you forward

Hawks and twice are a couple but don’t think there’s more

[ionic saffron]

Do i use it too dodge better?

[fast lagoon]

You can use it for evasive maneuvers yeah but it’s mostly used for mobility and attacking

It doesn’t give iframes

[ionic saffron]

Is it better then running?

[fast lagoon]

Yep

It’s faster to do the first melee instead of running

[ionic saffron]

That's suprising

[fast lagoon]

I made a guide a bit ago if you wanna check it out (theres no pressure Ofc I can answer all questions here)

[ionic saffron]

I would love to see it!

[fast lagoon]

It’s this here

Again I can answer all questions and give stuff here rn

[ionic saffron]

I'll check it out and see if i have further questions

[fast lagoon]

Oh also you should learn the gamma cancel which is just doing a beta in the middle of your gamma

That way you can do full damage without knocking early

[ionic saffron]

So like, make it so my Beta hits the opponent?

[fast lagoon]

Yeah

There’s a combo that requires you to know how to gamma cancel

It’s not hard but knowing how to do it is very helpful when you play too

[ionic saffron]

Okay

[ionic saffron]

Random question

[fast lagoon]

Yo

[ionic saffron]

What happens if you upgrade Kirishima's special tuning?

Does it change at all?

[fast lagoon]

Which one

[ionic saffron]

Willpower

[fast lagoon]

The cooldown gets shorter

[ionic saffron]

Ohh, i see

Thx

Also does having aura change anything?

[fast lagoon]

Getting ahead unlocks tuning slots yeah

Having an aura equipped doesn’t change much

[ionic saffron]

Okay

In what order should i upgrade Twice's abilities?

[fast lagoon]

I personally go g9 b9 a9

Alpha is strong enough at low levels and beta lands easiest in combos at max

Also clones are broken

[ionic saffron]

Gamma first?

Didn't expect that

[fast lagoon]

It’s your main combo tool and movement

[ionic saffron]

Fair enough

[karmic jewel]

💔

Twice is dead

The nerf gutted him

[fast lagoon]

You could’ve done more damage smh

[karmic jewel]

shhhh

https://tenor.com/view/the-dark-knight-its-about-sending-a-message-joker-heath-ledger-the-joker-gif-18201880

[fast lagoon]

Oh yeah I hit this last night

I peaked

[karmic jewel]

😭😭😭

How the hawks and Twice moment SHOULD have gone in the anime

[granite latch]

What's the best way to level up his skills

I usually do gamma baby alpha or beta but after that I'm not too sure

[karmic jewel]

Maxing out the gamma is how most of us do it.

If you have a hard time aiming the alpha, you can do gamma 4, then max the beta

[fast lagoon]

I usually g9 b9 a9

[granite latch]

I try G,B,A

I can aim pretty well with him but I want to utilize the copies more

[fast lagoon]

With my build I have enough alpha damage off rip and I like finishing my combos with a bang

[true slate]

Sisterly is good for twice right

[fast lagoon]

unfortunately yeah

use a better skill i beg

[flat sapphire]

Hawks killed twice early because he knew his gamma would be too strong in the war

[neat crown]

How do you guys even do that signature instakill combo?

[fast lagoon]

This?

Alpha gamma alpha gamma alpha gamma cancel beta

[tribal smelt]

Have to have 30 fps

For what ever reason it extends twice gamma

Another causal twice moment

[fast lagoon]

you dont have to be

its just really hard

[fast lagoon]

Does anyone have some neat twice tricks

I wanna learn something new

[lunar charm]

to clone dabi, melee him until he gets hit by the uppercut and then clone him before he recovers

[fast lagoon]

finally a new trick

[fast lagoon]

that actually seems sick asf though

[karmic jewel]

You didn't know that?

Wowie

[karmic jewel]

If you got trance blow, you can skip the melee part in most cases

[fast lagoon]

No I didn’t I usually just let the dabi’s get up

I still have yet to try this in game though (people don’t play Dabi anymore lol)

[karmic jewel]

It works.

Although rare cases

[bold juniper]

Today is a good day. The fps problem has been fixed

[fast lagoon]

Ik it’s peak

[tribal smelt]

Yes yes it has

No more super extended stun for his gamma

[karmic jewel]

Melted 😭😭😭

[shell marsh]

I’ve seen the A Y A Y B combo several times yet I can never hit it, did Twice get nerfed, do you need certain tuning, is it a timing thing, or am I just bad?

[fast lagoon]

After the bug fix it’s a max only combo

You also need to hold backwards as you perform and cancel the last slash of the second gamma so you can hit the beta without knocking down early

I don’t have any training clips or anything better atm but it should look something like this (post bug fix btw)

[untold timber]

How are you guys holding up after the nerf?

[fast lagoon]

I’m thriving

It’s been fun

[untold timber]

Well, at least it’s not a one shot anymore…

[fast lagoon]

Don’t play a rapid

Theres still a rapid one shot

[untold timber]

Luckily, I play literally no rapids

Until I get hawks at least

[ionic saffron]

I play 2 rapids currently

Ochaco and Twice

👍

[fast lagoon]

I don’t think those two can get one shot

Idk I haven’t tested it yet

[fast lagoon]

Twofer

[karmic jewel]

Cheeto twice cooking

Cheetwice

[fast lagoon]

Cheetwice

I feel like I wasn’t blue before but now I’m blue

[karmic jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/game-interface-video-game-buttons-battle-fight-gif-3498876589367044737

[fast lagoon]

Btw amajiki clones can use the killer wail

[ionic saffron]

Killer wail?

[bold juniper]

Peak

[fast lagoon]

It was a good run while it lasted guys

[alpine crypt]

What happened

[fast lagoon]

No more alpha cancel which kills his combos

All he has are what starts with melee and gamma beta

[alpine crypt]

Oh they back alley him

[fast lagoon]

Made him bite the curb

[iron cypress]

we had our time

Twice is no higher than C Tier now 😭 never thought id see the day

[bold juniper]

That's how Hawks is feelin over here as well dawg

They just gettin everyone's combos

[fast lagoon]

Yeah hawks got hurt hard but he still has a lot do his combos

They just don’t use melee so that hurts a bit

He can still do stuff like beta gamma beta beta and all that

[bold juniper]

Yeah, but getting that off just isn't worth it half the time, and his melee was already jank enough as it. Now, there's no reason to use it at all. People complain about beta spam, now it's all he can really consistently do for decent damage

That, and you need to be licking them if you wanna consistently get gamma > beta

[severe dawn]

Twice’s second canonical death bro

[karmic jewel]

So basically

Twice is arguably worse than tech dabi and Assault Kiri

[bold juniper]

Ong

[severe dawn]

Twice found dead in a ditch asked to never play in any ranked matches past pro 2

[karmic jewel]

I know he needed a nerf but he didnt deserve this

🥀

[severe dawn]

I just started playing again yesterday because I missed twice gaming bro

[iron cypress]

I wouldn’t put him THAT low but yea he’s definitely bottom 6 material now

its crazy how a character can go from S to D tier in two simple changes

[raven idol]

Hopefully since they nerfed him. His qss is next

[severe dawn]

?

[near roost]

god im so glad he got nerfed

[severe dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-bait-ragebait-angry-gon-bait-gif-5270896389597269350

[fast lagoon]

They could’ve went about it in any way why’s they just straight up make him unfun and boring

[near roost]

(btw im joking, this nerf is the worst way they could have nerfed him)

[trim surge]

Twice mains gonna switch to Iida now

[cedar dock]

There is a God

[queen jolt]

REF HE BROKE HIS LEG

[karmic jewel]

Fr

At least let us alpha into gamma

Gamma into alpha can be taken ig

But

Twice has like no real way to damage now

Besides gamma beta

Or gamma air melee and then use beta to try and catch the wake up

I wanted to do more twice this season too

💔

Guess its back to Overhaul

[severe dawn]

Bro I might just not play season 12 unless the revert the nerf

This character feels unplayable to me now

[fast lagoon]

I’m just playing mt lady

Her combos are close enough to what I like about twice

[severe dawn]

I was playing sting dance but I kinda crashed out and altf4’d

[cedar dock]

He was already unfun and boring

[severe dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/turn-down-nod-no-bad-music-turn-off-music-music-off-gif-7784370243811217382

[cedar dock]

All they did was take away your death combo and y’all are whining like it’s the final reckoning and Jesus has given you your judgement

[fast lagoon]

It’s wasn’t even a death combo

[karmic jewel]

It was he only combo tbh

[fast lagoon]

It was just his combos in general

[cedar dock]

Ok? His only combos were still super braindead and did way too much damage

[fast lagoon]

Really braindead yet I have to go and teach people all the time how to do them

[severe dawn]

So nerf the damage????

[cedar dock]

90% of twice players all did the same exact thing

[severe dawn]

Don’t remove them???

[fast lagoon]

Or adjust how the cancel worked

[cedar dock]

You guys also have clones

I’m sure you’ll be fine

[karmic jewel]

His alphas where what melted HPs. Actually nerfinf that would have sufficed.

[cedar dock]

The people who actually like Twice will find a way

[fast lagoon]

Clones are actually awful

[severe dawn]

Truth

[fast lagoon]

And even then if you want a good clone THERES NO WAY TO CONFIRM ONE

YOU CANT GET KILLS ANYMORE

[karmic jewel]

Gamma air melee and pray your clone can catch the wake up.

Very consistent...

[fast lagoon]

Idk how many times you died to twice but it shows it’s been way too many times

[karmic jewel]

Twice went from great to working a 9 to 5 💔

[severe dawn]

I’ve never had a clone kill before it’s just a summon jobber skill in my kit

[fast lagoon]

I’ve had clones kill the problem is that they’re so easy to take down

If clones are supposed to be his main gimmick they need to be giga buffed that way he can actually use his sa

[severe dawn]

Istg season 13 twice tech skill set I pray

Or a reversal of the nerf

[fast lagoon]

Rn his only viable builds would be space hop or trance blow so you can get easy alphas and it’s still bad because so many other characters just beam better

[karmic jewel]

Real

[fast lagoon]

He has no niche

[karmic jewel]

At bare minimum let us go alpha into gamma

So we can still do like 180 damage

[fast lagoon]

I think alpha into gamma would keep some combos open

Idk for sure though

[karmic jewel]

Welp

Time for trance blow Electrification/embrit twice!

[fast lagoon]

For anyone that wants a decent replacement for twice and his combos I recommend mt lady

They feel similar and are still pretty fun

[severe dawn]

If I play again it will probably be ibara or mt lady

[fast lagoon]

It’s the closest you’ll get to fun twice rn

[karmic jewel]

Imma just stick on Overhaul 💔

[fast lagoon]

Also valid

I’ll still be on him and shinso a lot but twice is gone rn

[karmic jewel]

Also the pirate twice is expert and ace rewards

Imma have to grind that nkw

[fast lagoon]

Ik

[karmic jewel]

💔

[severe dawn]

I have no twice skins and yesterday I was praying for a twice season skin

[fast lagoon]

He got alright tunes on the ace one aswell

[severe dawn]

Didn’t know it would monkey paw into killing him outright

[fast lagoon]

Ik it’s heartbreaking

[karmic jewel]

Well

At least Hawks can accompany Twice in the D tier with tech Dabi

[karmic jewel]

Where's Hawks

[queen jolt]

YOUR RIGHT?!?

[raven idol]

The alpha and the fact we couldn’t move when he gammas u. That’s the reason the separated the two. Atleast you guys still have that brain dead tracking

[fast lagoon]

Dawg it’s 60 damage

If you’re dying to that you might have to quit

Also they fixed the frame but so you only couldn’t move if you got too close to him which is incredibly easy to avoid

Stop complaining and get better

[oak ridge]

facts

love to the twice mains

[sullen chasm]

F

[vague gate]

It was fun while it lasted, no more 1 shot 😭

[bold juniper]

Twice did need a nerf, but this was not it

I was already upset bc they shot his combo potential when they added the gamma tracking

Since he was limited to combos that all started the exact same way, but now he just has none

If I hear someone whine ab the tracking atp, I'm just going to assume they just stand there and let Twice pepper em with alpha

[young marsh]

They revert every other nerf he has ever gotten , is he saved?
U can't g a g ? Alpha doesn't auto track rest of shots when u g?
Range got gutted over and over cause hz things so what if they buffed range even to max lvl 9 Range lvl 1, is he still not c tier?

Maybe b cause I forgot his alphas were like 33 dmg at lvl 1 once

[red relic]

new combo discovered

melee, melee, gamma, beta

he has nothing now lowk even sisterly is poopoo but

what r yall running for his tuning?

[fast lagoon]

Currently his only viable tunes are trance blow and space hop so he can get easier alphas

Other beamers do his job significantly better btw

[red relic]

assuming thats on a controller right?

[fast lagoon]

No?

Why would controller have anything to do with it

It’s fine on both

[untold timber]

Name one

Hawks literally has one combo and it’s super situational

Let’s just be honest and say we are both cooked

I dislike twice, but I hate this even more. I feel genuinely sorry for you guys.

Combos are skill expressions

[karmic jewel]

^

[fast lagoon]

Beta gamma beta beta, gamma beta beta, gamma alpha, beta gamma alpha, m1 m2 beta (theres a tech that allows that to still work however I’m unsure of how it’s performed my apologies) gamma air melee, beta alpha, and I’m pretty sure you can still gamma full melee

[untold timber]

Why aren’t there any girls in d tier…

:(

[untold timber]

You can’t do beta multiple times???

It puts you into free flight and takes a while to cancel

[fast lagoon]

That’s the other betas bruh

It’s easier than saying gree flight beta or whatever they’re called

[untold timber]

wtf…

[fast lagoon]

He still has combos in they’re just not as easy

[untold timber]

How did you hit her with beta but not go into free flight???

[fast lagoon]

It really did hurt his combo game a ton but it didn’t directly kill it

[fast lagoon]

Hit the tail end of it

Remember when on launch when he would beta but you would hit the end and not get free flight

[untold timber]

Well no

I wasn’t playing back then

[fast lagoon]

He gets it now but there’s a small window where you can input a gamma and it allows you to do stuff like that

[fast lagoon]

Ohh okok mb

There’s a hawks on a break rn but when he comes back and sees this change I’m sure he’ll be disappointed but u think he’ll make it work

Hes an absolutely incredible hawks thats been teaching me and I bet he can keep on going with him

But until twice gets his combos back I’m gonna be on mt lady

It’s unfortunate

[untold timber]

So it’s super hard to hit and unreliable…

[karmic jewel]

You can still do crazy damage guys! Just pop a clone and then gamma stun as the clone spams alpna!!!!!!!!!

im coping

[untold timber]

Welp at least it’s something

[cyan talon]

Funny that Hawks discussion is happening in the twice thread

[fast lagoon]

Surprisingly not

It’s reliable just as you said hard to hit

Some practice is all you need and you’re set

Gamma started combos are easiest to use consistently though

[untold timber]

It’s better than people hating you guys and cheering on his death

There is a weird amount of people happy that he’s bad now

I don’t care how much a character annoys me I still think should be usable and good

[cyan talon]

Bro the tracking on his gamma

[untold timber]

Don’t remind me

[cyan talon]

He's not bad he just isn't broken

[untold timber]

As a switch player I know about it luckily it was fixed

[cyan talon]

But hey look on the bright side

Every nerf is a monoma nerf

[untold timber]

He went from the top to the bottom of the tierlist

[young marsh]

XDD

Beta max is the way

[untold timber]

Except ammo nerfs

[young marsh]

Small map afo tuning good. I do with toga

[cyan talon]

Shhh

[untold timber]

Or reload speed

[cyan talon]

Shh

[untold timber]

Also the beta (something a monoma player actually wants) didn’t get nerfed

[cyan talon]

Twice deserved to be nerfed let's be real

[untold timber]

Unreliable in the fact that you’re not gonna be able to pull this off a lot of the time

You need to be at a specific range to do so

[untold timber]

Yeah, but this was not the way to go about it

[cyan talon]

What was the way

Maybe another 1 damage

🥀

[ionic saffron]

If he ever gets them back 😔

[cyan talon]

He won't

Didn't they also nerf mount lady

[fast lagoon]

Dawg hes outclassed by so many others now

[fast lagoon]

He deserved his combos he didn’t deserve the damage

Bring back all the cancels however make them actually cancel the move like mt lady alpha

[untold timber]

I’m in the “Take away his tracking” camp and buffing his damage afterwards

[fast lagoon]

Whatever knives come out is what you get

Like mt lady whatever comes out is what you get

[ionic saffron]

Still can't believe they didn't nerf Strike Kendo

[fast lagoon]

I mean Twice had a range specific rapid tod yet it was pretty reliable

[cyan talon]

Or monoma

Or deku

[fast lagoon]

It’s also pretty easy to get that range with a quick sa back

[ionic saffron]

He did get nerfed

[cyan talon]

Or fix grabs

[fast lagoon]

They did nerf him it’s just bad

[ionic saffron]

It's just not good enough imo

[cyan talon]

Gng the hp ain't the issue

[fast lagoon]

Monoma has 250 hp now

[ionic saffron]

Yea

[fast lagoon]

Other characters are a far bigger problem than deku rn

[cyan talon]

THE DAMAGE

[fast lagoon]

He got powercrept hard

[cyan talon]

red deku

[fast lagoon]

What do you think I’m talking about

[untold timber]

Yeah, and that made him very hated because he had a TOD and it wasn’t necessarily hard to do

[fast lagoon]

Use your noggin

[untold timber]

Oh wait, you’re replying to a different thing

[ionic saffron]

Who do y'all think needs a nerf besides Monoma and Kendo?

[cyan talon]

Nerf the bugs

[fast lagoon]

And adjusting how knives come out with cancels would fix that problem entirely

It’d take off damage as you need to cancel alpha early for all his combos

[fast lagoon]

Red kiri shinso and mic

[cyan talon]

I just hope strike endeavor isn't busted like kendo

[fast lagoon]

Strike meta is too real rn

[cyan talon]

Not strike

[ionic saffron]

That's valid

[cyan talon]

Yk what i meant

[fast lagoon]

I was gonna correct you but you got it

His tunes seem really good

[cyan talon]

What is the endeavor tuning gonna be

[fast lagoon]

Extra time in pu for his special tune and his mini tune is gp attack up and hp defense up

[cyan talon]

Wait a minute I got an idea

Use both endeavor tunings at the same time

[ionic saffron]

Assault Endeavor seems really annoying

I like how Tamaki is

Pretty balanced

[cyan talon]

Soooo annoying

The laser

[ionic saffron]

Pretty easy to dodge

[bold juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/genki-dama-spirit-bomb-goku-gif-12526925

[cyan talon]

Can't really dodge it if it's right on you and fully charged

Especially if your occupied

[ionic saffron]

I think it's fine

[fast lagoon]

oh wat let him cook

[ionic saffron]

Maybe a bit more cooldown on his special action and a slight Beta DMG nerf

[cyan talon]

Imaginary technique

Hollow purple

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-gojo-satoru-hollow-purple-sukuna-mahoraga-gif-13503454303453550028

[ionic saffron]

I think Rapid Toga and Strike Dabi should also get nerfed

[untold timber]

Difference is that could be done at kind of any range and (was) hard to fail especially with tracking

Also you can always do a combo either way with varying levels of effectiveness

(Sorry for the late reply)

[fast lagoon]

no it cant

before ig but since the fps bug was fixed it became range specific

[untold timber]

*was

[fast lagoon]

it was still range specific before but it was still easy to stunlock someone into death

[untold timber]

You guys never did the short hand version of just doing 1 alpha in the gamma combo?

[fast lagoon]

thats not a tod

[ionic saffron]

I think Hawks was pretty balanced as is

Suprised they nerfed him to the ground

[untold timber]

I’m talking about combos not just the TOD

[fast lagoon]

oh well than yeah

[untold timber]

You need a specific range for the TOD yes but he could do many combos that were still viable

[fast lagoon]

part of knowing a character is knowing when to do what combos

and i knew a ton about twice

[ionic saffron]

Oh well

Let's hope he gets a usefull buff next patch

[fast lagoon]

lets hope

[ionic saffron]

Or maybe a fun Twice quirk skill set

Someday

[untold timber]

And hawks (had) easy combos that he could do basically whenever that was the brunt of his damage

Now he can’t

He only has these niche ones now

[untold timber]

Sad man’s parade…

Imagine fighting a sad man’s parade boss fight in mhur

Peak

https://tenor.com/view/sad-mans-party-gif-22957521

[ionic saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/hawks-gif-22100233

[karmic jewel]

"We can be mid, together!"

[south crypt]

@everyone twice mains Is it true that twice was found dead in the streets after the season 12 balance changes?

[severe dawn]

worse

justr remove him from the game atp

[south crypt]

since the update i haven,t seen a single twice he got done like assualt shiggy

[fast lagoon]

worse

assault shiggy still had combos

[severe dawn]

hes tech dabi tier now