Tomura Shigaraki

[lavish ether]

and special feels bugged, its consistantly not dealing damage to people

[terse pelican]

whats mirko tuning btw

[lavish ether]

Like, a buffed wall jump or something

i think buffed wall jump and slightly extra jump height

[terse pelican]

the special one?

like ik normal rapid tunings are trash like that

but if thats the special thats crazy

[lavish ether]

Yea the special, the higher the level the longer the effect lasts

[terse pelican]

ok its better wall jump and FASTER recovery

[lavish ether]

basically its a worse version of wallrunner 😭

[terse pelican]

i think the second part is a bit more important

[honest fulcrum]

What does that part mean tho

[lavish ether]

Oh yea that

so you get less Invincibility frames 😭

no clue why you would willingly use it

[terse pelican]

you can wake up faster after a knockback

[terse pelican]

probably because you can escape non true combos with it

also you dont get less i frames? just them earlier

[lavish ether]

Ahhh, then it might have some uses

[jagged flame]

Sounds really bad

[honest fulcrum]

So I tested myself and yeah yellow shiggy can only gamma into beta

No dp change so I don't get it

[meager wolf]

There’s a guide on the mhur database

[terse pelican]

they literally changed downpower and its said on the patch notes

[honest fulcrum]

Oh is that what easier to knock back opponents is?

[terse pelican]

yes easier to knockback = more downpower

its back to what it was last time

[honest fulcrum]

Why is it as soon as I pick up the character this happens

He was fine as he was

Well the combo was fun atleast

[terse pelican]

100 debris + 75 spread on alpha

gamma is actually worse with 125 charge + 250 slam

2 alphas are back to hard knockdown if you can aim

[honest fulcrum]

So less skill and less damage

Great 😭

Not every character has to be easy but the devs don't care

[terse pelican]

with this downpower, you cant even do gamma, beta held gamma anymore

[honest fulcrum]

I loved that combo

[terse pelican]

the second gamma charge knocks them down

before the slam

this character is C tier atp

[honest fulcrum]

I guess now melee after gamma is better now?

Gamma slam -> melee -> special action

[broken lodge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1143674411422060636/1509130261160394815/image.png?ex=6a180e94&is=6a16bd14&hm=dfdcc7e855f84d665daac51d4a3cf70b197bf63063db65b83108e2b3093d4ea0&

They killed him cuz those buum devs couldn't do combos

Yeah ggs

[terse pelican]

The moment strike shiggy gets gutted for no reason its joever for me

[broken lodge]

It's already joever for me

Who do I even play now

[terse pelican]

Mirko trust

[broken lodge]

With my 0 tickets ?

[terse pelican]

They killed a combo character to sell another

[broken lodge]

I might go cringe red Kiri

Spam cuz apparently he never getting nerfed

[terse pelican]

Lets all terrorize the game until they do something

[broken lodge]

You go tech mirio

Another goes red hawks

[grave wraith]

is he even dead?

[broken lodge]

Yes

They legit said they don't want the combo play style

And made him brain dead

Lowkey might start spamming emails

Cuz that play style is what made us all play him

[grave wraith]

the combo style they gave last season was me getting ToD left and right by everyone so I do have some reservations on it

[broken lodge]

They said they made the moves easier to hit last season

For them to make it not combo anymore

They legit did it on purpose

[jagged flame]

Wow so they made him lame

Just beta gamma now

[honest fulcrum]

Or gamma melee

[vague lodge]

there was a dp change

[honest fulcrum]

Bro responded to my old message

Yes I'm aware

[vague lodge]

my bad gang

blame discord

[vague lodge]

it was warranted
but im not sure if it was this warranted

[terse pelican]

i dont think anything can warrant 250 downpower on alpha

compress who literally staggers with it has 100

[viscid lintel]

welp
147 alpha dmg on lvl 1

[jagged flame]

Compress alpha has 200 dp

It's half on the truck and splash damage

[formal plover]

I love this costume so much

[vague lodge]

i find it funny how they accidentally increased assault's downpower while adding hitstun
reverted the downpower change
then added it back

😭

[broken lodge]

oh hell nah

[terse pelican]

You could just miss the splash aiming high yk right

[broken lodge]

yellow shiig gamma hit box is done for gang

[vague lodge]

THEY GOT THE HIT BOX???

vertically or horizontally?

[terse pelican]

Vertical

[broken lodge]

all

[vague lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/rice-shower-uma-musume-umamusume-die-dead-gif-5598579523567256685

[terse pelican]

Well i only noticed the vertical part

[broken lodge]

vertical less hrizontally more

[terse pelican]

Its no longer made by satan

Also the main chat has schizophrenia

[vague lodge]

what

#ultra-rumble-discussion ?

[terse pelican]

Yea people just keep making buffs and nerfs there

[vague lodge]

i never look in there for many reasons

lmao

[terse pelican]

I had people argue with me on #ultra-rumble-discussion that tech denki got his alpha dmg nerfed

Also i heard like 7 times "why did assault shiggy get buffed"

[vague lodge]

i know that thing was incredibly obnoxious but i'll miss it

[terse pelican]

Then me saying they killed his combos and they reply "where they didnt nerf dp"

[broken lodge]

how can we hit flyers now

[vague lodge]

i guess tap gamma in the air into alpha/beta

😭

i know he's still stronger than him but these changes might have actually made assault shiggy less fun for me than twice

[formal plover]

Does tech shigaraki beta and aplha give superarmor?

[fleet harbor]

No

[broken lodge]

also doing gamma beta combo now harder

[formal plover]

Dang thought i heard somewhere that he does but no wonder im getting knocked out of attacks so often

[vague lodge]

you can literally melee tech shigaraki out of his beta lunge if you have the hp to tank it

or stun him with some other move if you know he's gonna use it

[terse pelican]

I mean this is still a bad idea mainly because youre losing way more hp than him

Maybe like iida can have a neutral trade

[vague lodge]

depends on factors like
"Am i getting teamhealed?"
"Do i have plus ultra and is this the last guy in the lobby?"
"Do i have green cards/revenge support/hyper regen active?"
"Are we in a 3v1 against him with an insta revive character?"

normally it is a horrible idea, yes 😭

[formal plover]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-meme-doggo-crys-megan-soo-crying-dog-gif-5276199764143986284

[grave wraith]

Yeah don't feel bad for the raid boss though

[viscid lintel]

decided to turn off instead of wasting tech shiggy gamma, crashed 👍

[hazy tinsel]

On the next episode of "why did you do this to catastrophe?"

I will miss you 🥺

[terse pelican]

Guys imagine being the best character in the game and saying this to a shigaraki player
#ultra-rumble-discussion message

[broken lodge]

Stop reading that chat

Made me crash out twice

[broken lodge]

I swear they made him braindead for one season so they can gut him in the next one where no one would miss him

[storm bay]

They gutted yiggys whole shi to make it more "user friendly"

But red kiri remains the same since released and even dodge from being purchasable with tickets this season

Hmmmmm #nooticing

[terse pelican]

Red kiri is user friendly, if you cant hit his combos you need to go to a doctor

Literally can start it from a giant slam that hits behind him (why)

And has a bouncing projectile the size of antartica

[vocal steeple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1272143708048982158.webp?size=48&animated=true&name=kekshake&lossless=true

what u mean, that BIG ahh rock is hard to land

[robust pulsar]

Its over

Like it's genuinely so over

@broken lodge im so sorry big dawg...I atleast like mained other characters

[storm bay]

My boy is on sweewicide watch rn

Pray for him

[broken lodge]

Not the time for buns

It's a funeral

[robust pulsar]

We all are

[robust pulsar]

Someone make a img

[formal plover]

A tech shigaraki using his brain?? yep wrap it up

[terse pelican]

the game knows its playerbase

[terse pelican]

bruh how do you lose to a strike shiggy as YAFO on USJ open area

[grim kindle]

Sad

What are the new combos for yellow shiggy now

[jagged flame]

Sadness

They crippled him

[grim kindle]

Nah

[jagged flame]

Gamma looks different

Did they change the impact frames?

The effects I mean

[robust pulsar]

No they did

Beta hold gamma there u go

[honest fulcrum]

"We cant have multiple combo oriented characters"

Gut yellow shiggy then the shiggy mains want a new character to fill the void

[grim kindle]

I'ma make combos

[terse pelican]

Good luck his with his downpowers rn
Alpha 250 (100 projectile, 75 spread)
Beta 250
Gamma 125 (slam 250, both 375)

Even gamma beta hold gamma isnt a combo anymore because they drop before the slam

Atp his probably highest damage combo is gamma beta beta

[vague lodge]

another nerf and he's gonna end up like twice

😭

[broken lodge]

he lowkey already is

[knotty frigate]

Hmm interesting….

[grave wraith]

I didn't follow any of that, wont lie

[vague lodge]

those are some impressive camera movements, albeit hard to keep up with for me 😭

using the beta pulse ticks was really impressive, i've only seen people go for the direct hit

[knotty frigate]

Yeah I apologize if it was too quick to see 😅

I used gyro and it’s Max out all the way

[vague lodge]

oh nah dont worry about that, im just impressed you can keep up with it

[knotty frigate]

Yup before this game I used to play (still do) splatoon so I got used to it and just adapted to the camera movement 😁

[stiff lark]

Funny thing is you can't even hit both of the alpha hitboxes (a random shadow change)

[cerulean rain]

that wasn't a shadow change

these changes were so awful for him, nearly 4x the downpower on gamma for FIVE extra damage with a bit of a wider hitbox which is terrible for compensation at that point they shouldn't have bothered with compensation and alpha's brick gets 22 extra damage in exchange for the fact you can no longer hit alpha for 126 which is also just massive damage value nerf. idek why they bothered increasing alpha's downpower if they were just going to make it so the brick and decay can't hit together anymore

and direct beta's still bugged where it will add an extra 100 downpower if the pulse hits too quickly after the debris or there isn't any other attack that connects before the pulse after the debris

[stiff lark]

I thought they meant the alpha or gamma decay not the different rocks🥀

But hey atleast if you have space hop you can make your alpha go from a fan shape to a small line if you shoot downwards🔥 thanks devs for removing a useful reason for space hop

[cerulean rain]

at least the line is better than when all the fan hitboxes just spawn in the same place lol

not much better but at least better

it did make it annoying to try and throw alphas from high ground while someone was near the base of the building you were on so it's at least a little better for that

[limpid patio]

lol yellow is worse than red rn. Atleast his alphas go up walls but like whats the point with that dp?

[viscid lintel]

I feel like tech shiggy is reeeeally useless against miruko

She's a TOD machine that unlike asshiggy doesn't need to hit the combo right she just has all mobility in the world for it

[dim basin]

Assault shigaraki got nerfed

Buffed back

Nerfed back

I cant help myself but i feel like there a siblings working as developers

[terse pelican]

He unironically might be a bottom 10 character rn, i literally see 0 reason youd ever pick him if you want to win

Even tech dabi got something to cook this season (not much but something)

[terse pelican]

Posted this on a yt community post

Welp, this was gonna happen eventually, they killed assault shigaraki again, and for good this time, lets see his changes

• Alpha projectile damage increased by 20 but he no longer can hit all 3 hits so he lost 40 dmg from a wave
• Alpha DP: 30 -> 150 or 175 (two waves or projectile + one wave)
• Gamma damage increased by 5 on the slam
• Gamma dash DP: 10 -> 125
• Gamma slam DP: 10 - 250 (both hits is 375)

Tldr: they literally nerfed his alpha damage and gutted every single combo he had, there will be no guide on him anymore because i do not care about him anymore and he is as complex to play as using an auto clicker

Did i forget anything to add?

[spare escarp]

Anyone got a build for villain coat or cyberpunk?

[terse pelican]

what shiggy

[spare escarp]

Red

[terse pelican]

Cyberpunk hero with Quirk factor release and Wall runner

Or base villain coat with Wall runner and something like ability manifest or will power (red slot doesnt matter much)

Tune alpha and hp damage as much as you can in the normal slots, then other types of damage and hp/gp +

[jagged flame]

How good is Bunny Hop on Strike Shiggy?

[limpid patio]

need to give it more time, its not bad but i only see ppl using it for the recovery. It launches you high into the air everytime you recover which is actually pretty handy. The wall jump side of things you can already do with wall runner anyway, its just faster but i HATE that it changes your direction so alot of the time im using alpha backflip or special to actually face the same direction as the building ive just hopped off of

if they changed it so that you still faced the building after jumping, id say it would be better than wall runner

[jagged flame]

Wait so you can't normal getup?

[spare escarp]

Ok thanks

[limpid patio]

this is the only example i have of what it looks like atm

[jagged flame]

Looks pretty good

[terse pelican]

the video doesnt load for me so i was like "when will he recover"

lol

[limpid patio]

with some practice i think itd be really solid ngl

[jagged flame]

I can see alot of situations where this can save you more than Wallrunner but wallrunner is just too good

[terse pelican]

yeah wall runner for me is 50% about the fight but also the looting

being able to run up to places early game to get lvl 9 alpha asap is too good for me to pass

[jagged flame]

Bunny Hop is really good on Ochaco, Iida and Rapid Deku

From what I've seen

Iida with Recipro Active it's a free escape cus of the momentum

[terse pelican]

its crazy how people went to tell me all it did was increase wall jump height

i was like what are they lying about

because no way that would be a special tuning

even the bad special tunings still do something well, special

[jagged flame]

I want some tuning skills to get buffed

[terse pelican]

momo's needs a straight up rework

[jagged flame]

Indestructible for example
It should proc when you down an opponent and have a cooldown

[terse pelican]

i forgot is it on ko right?

[jagged flame]

Yeah

It'd be a much better tuning if it triggered when you down an enemy

[terse pelican]

unironically momo tuning should show loot boxes location for you instead of the garbage it is rn

i still wouldnt use it but it would have a purpose

[jagged flame]

Maybe her skillset will get something like that

[terse pelican]

nah watch her skill set show the previous circle

[jagged flame]

LMAO

[terse pelican]

istg if tech mic tuning is a better version of his current one (aka electrification 2) im gonna lose it

imagine they make his tuning, when you get guard broken trigger an aura that deafens close opponents

that would be

basically an overhaul combo breaker for everyone

[jagged flame]

It isn't

[terse pelican]

ik rule 11, but its funny i knew the roles from the new characters before they actually got confirmed via extracting the files

#ultra-rumble-discussion message
i made these predictions as soon the trailer dropped

before the data download had happened

(you can also see tech mic and strike aizawa ingame on the tuning page)

[lavish ether]

apparently you can just see the character roles in game despite them not being released within the costume thing as well

[open moss]

was yellow shiggy changed?

[vague lodge]

He was taken out back and shot dead

[open moss]

jesus they removed his combos

[broken lodge]

They removed more then just the combos

The gamma not being able to hit above or under is ggs

[grave wraith]

that one i'm kinda okay with, that had some crazy height to it before

like 30 ft in the air and through a ceiling kinda crazy

[broken lodge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1143674411422060636/1509196306898227501/image.png?ex=6a1a4657&is=6a18f4d7&hm=471934146482f9dd578d4ad35d26223af3b86ea475b4752ec4f7ac7efa8f9974&

The gamma didn't hit the deku

@grave wraith he slammed

And the gamma didn't hit the deku

It didn't hit the deku

He was in aoe

And it didn't hit the deku

[grave wraith]

K maybe they shaved a little too much off the top...

[limpid patio]

because you have to grab them now. They removed his vertical hitbox but made it so you have to pull airbourne characters to the ground with his second hitbox, the aoe is just for grounded characters nearby which i get is rare now but is also the reason they increased the horizontal range

id say hes balanced now but is just powercrept

[grave wraith]

that...sounds confusing

they wanted it to be the bring you to the ground button...?

[limpid patio]

from what ive experienced so far yeah. Even tho red would've benefited off of something like that more

[craggy briar]

any comboes for him

[terse pelican]

Literally just beta into gamma or gamma into beta

Everything other than sprinkling a melee in the middle is dead

[craggy briar]

alr ty

which skills do i level up first

[storm bay]

Currently sending complaint mail so that yiggy get reverted to his 2 season back self

[limpid patio]

yellow shiggy mains finally experiencing strikes pain for the very first time

[meager wolf]

yall

playing vs mirko is making wanna rip my hair out

idk wtf to do agaisnt miss jump when she can do perma stun combo you

[jagged flame]

She doesn't seem that bad to mean

Strike Shiggy doesn't have much of a problem against her in a 1v1 either

Just use gamma when she's closing in towards you

She struggles against characters with armored moves

Assault Kiri being a perfect example

[terse pelican]

All shiggys can just air special action her face when she comes close too

Strike can armor out of her moves and tech can literally just do his classic beta satanic hitbox out of there

[shy wharf]

any good tunings for red shiggy? i only have transcend and villain coat for him

[terse pelican]

Villain coat you can use just wall runner + any red tuning you like

Transcend i dont remember let me check what it got

You can use transcend combat for wall runner and either fixer or crit perm

For normal tuning max out hp and alpha damage

[terse pelican]

Guys unironic poll, whos better rn:

• 

• 

[honest fulcrum]

Tech dabi

[storm bay]

tech dabi will forever have a niche

that one character people just dont wanna prioritize/chase and is incredibly annoying if youre chasing someone and they run to their dabi teammate for safety

yell shig just lost his only niche 😭

[vocal steeple]

looks like byking hates shigi, they all nerfed

[terse pelican]

I mean i havent felt anything on the one that matters

[broken lodge]

Red still chilling

Tech is still braindead and not that fun

Yellow is just a worse red with better mobility

[formal plover]

Bunnyraki in rumble when?

[thorn knoll]

How is yellow worse than red..?

[broken lodge]

play him

[formal plover]

Always has been

[thorn knoll]

A character that had multiple tod gimmicks is worse than one that has like one or two?

[broken lodge]

"had"

[formal plover]

Which all could be counterd by not touching the ground, unless theres one im not aware of

Which also requires most of your kit

[vocal steeple]

what i see crazy is this community getting tod'ed by mirko and its fun character. but shigi didnt make it through 1 season

[terse pelican]

The one thing assault shiggy had was combos to keep people grounded since his burst damage is mediocre, meanwhile red shiggy can capitalize seconds of ground time into big damage

[jagged flame]

It's ironic

If only they didn't give his beta and gamma more hitstun

None of this would've happen

They made him much easier for less continuous burst damage

[vague lodge]

we paid the price for the sins of the devs

[broken lodge]

The worst part is no one cares about him anymore

People barely played him before and the people who mained him last season simply moved on

[stiff lark]

Nah it was gonna happen eventually maybe not killing him but a dp change was soon coming

[marble flame]

@limpid patio

[meager wolf]

Yall iv got a question

do you honestly think strike shigi is good and balanced currently?

everyone says he can shred on the ground/ he is good lategame final zone but i just dont think he can consistently get there though compared to others

and even the fact that most of his damge is capped at enemies being on the ground

like space hop , spiral leap , flying herous , general jumping or escpaing counter him

[honest fulcrum]

His insane damage output balances it

[meager wolf]

that has 20 conditions to it sure

ochako does more burst though

both versions

[honest fulcrum]

1 condition just touch the ground

[honest fulcrum]

Def not

[meager wolf]

which every hero has ways to avoid

[meager wolf]

bro

assault ochako

has beta alpa

and your guard broken

rapid can gamma beta alpha to guaran tee guardbreak and they both have mobility and safety options

i cant see the upside very much as i legit the meta herous are all counters to strike shigi as well

we have full teams of supp nejire nagnt duos

[honest fulcrum]

Seems like I bursted her down to me🤷‍♂️

Characters like red shiggy or momo have their weaknesses sure, but when they work they really work

[honest fulcrum]

Hell if I had better levels she'd be dead

@meager wolf

[meager wolf]

i have clips too

i want to see like games

like if someone can somewhat do well consistenly thats fine

im not saying he doesnt have pop off

but like me getting one close kill doesnt mean i dont die cause nejire nagant came for my booty

even trying to find streams or youtube vids not years old is impossible

[honest fulcrum]

What exactly do you think they should do about it?

Red shiggy was here since the beginning

And we already have 2 qss

[vague lodge]

i dont remember the exact channel name but there was this channel called samsung galaxy s21 or something where the guy uploaded really amazing strike shiggy videos/clips

they had a bit of a ping problem but i remember them uploading a strike shiggy video like a month ago

so people do still play well with him

[honest fulcrum]

He's just niche in the content sphere

[vague lodge]

yeah that's true

nobody else comes to mind (at least in my experience) when i think of really good strike shiggy players that upload videos on youtube

[jagged flame]

When you literally change what a character has been doing since release and make it worse for them

Then yes

[trail falcon]

i just got diffed by a tod combo from post nerf yellow shiggy

i need to learn that combo

[grave wraith]

Admitting to getting diffed is heartbreaking to see

[forest latch]

Shigiraki mains is this a sign

[vague lodge]

how people are moving when they realize someone's recording them:

[terse pelican]

She just didnt die there because of willpower

The last grab hit that does almost 100 dmg at lvl 1 did 33

Thats just willpower proc saving her

[honest fulcrum]

Ohh

Damn so I was cooking

[meager wolf]

yo how do you counter spiral/ space hop as trike

[limpid patio]

catch them with any of his combos when they are on the ground or try to pick them off by predicting where they land

[terse pelican]

why do you have the new thing on your account lol

like the one that says youre new to the server

[limpid patio]

i keep debating whether or not i want to leave the community but ill just stay in the servers im in rather than leaving and rejoining

[meager wolf]

while yes

how do you do that while they are raining down damage on you though

since they probably are shooting at you and trying to go for their landing while rolling timing is incredibly hard

[limpid patio]

your not meant to push ppl that have those kinds of tunnings to begin with, which is why i said to catch them while they are on the ground. If you get stuck in a situation where you dont have cover then you try and maneuver with alpha and grab them with alpha assuming they are stuck flying like aam or sup nejire

[meager wolf]

yeah true but sadly you can never know until you already engage

[formal plover]

Yes join us

[stiff lark]

If you got "tod" the combo wasn't true

[trail falcon]

Well I checked his stats and he wasn’t a legit player

He upped his dmg and killed half the lobby

[trail falcon]

Yea because he wasn’t legit 🫩

Over here doing 180+ dmg per alpha

[vague lodge]

you gotta tune your gaming chair with the right tunings to hit those numbers

[trail falcon]

I was disappointed when I found out he just had a really good gaming chair

[meager wolf]

yo guys actually

how is assault rn

since apperantly they killed his combos i guess the guide on mhur datasite is outdated

[stiff lark]

Combos gone, vertical gamma aoe gone, it bigger front and back l/r tho, you can't hit both alpha rock and cracks at the same time so reduced dmg, beta has a small amount of momentum they killed him in 1 patch

[cerulean rain]

Yeah and i haven't really felt like updating it ngl

[terse pelican]

stray just made a video thinking the changes were for strike shiggy lmao

[honest fulcrum]

Space hop

Special action

[honest fulcrum]

Or in the lobby

Click the "change character" button

[meager wolf]

is he strike shigi teir?

[honest fulcrum]

While most of his damage is tied to the ground in similar fashion

Yellow shiggy has mobility

So hes technically better

[terse pelican]

Counterpoint, strike shiggy damage is way higher, if i wanted to play a projectile spamming character with mobilty i have like 6 other characters that are all better than him

Tell me literally any reason to pick assault shiggy over say assmight who got buffed this season

[honest fulcrum]

Yellow shiggy has decent damage

[honest fulcrum]

Assmight is crazy

[terse pelican]

Btw assmight has higher damage combos than yel shiggy 💀

Just his beta into one alpha does like 300 dmg

And if they dont wakeup you can continue hitting them for like 90 dmg alphas

[honest fulcrum]

I think i might try assault might

[terse pelican]

Also again, strike shiggy atleast has the niche of extremely deadly burst damage and area denial

Assault shiggy now is just a mid projectile spammer with the same weakness strike shiggy has

[terse pelican]

Rn he is like giga broken on pc specifically because he has cracked mobility above 120 fps

[vocal steeple]

fr, like whats the point of yellow shigi. like another alpha gamma merchant spammer ? lol we have better units and more fun kit that do that

srike on the other hand have a gimick and in the final circles he is a menace

[honest fulcrum]

Idk what my fps is

Console player here

Xbox series s

[terse pelican]

Thats why i said pc, console is capped at 30 fps

[honest fulcrum]

Gahdamn

Why is it capped so low

[cerulean rain]

only switch is capped at 30

xbox and PS are 60

[terse pelican]

Yeah at 60 it still doesnt work properly

At 120 feels like the normal of what they intended

But then 240 you just become a rocket

[cerulean rain]

that or they intended for it to work how it does at 240

because tamaki cannon got put at how it worked at 240 fps lol

so you never know

[terse pelican]

Mhur devs flexing their work pcs on the console players

[cerulean rain]

aim assist got put at it's 60 fps variant when they fixed it, twice's gamma range ended up being roughly his 120 fps range when they fixed it, tamaki cannon got put at it's 240 fps turning

so

they have 0 consistency lmao

[stiff lark]

i would say strike shiggs niche of area control is better than asshig's niche of stuns

[stiff lark]

exactly, it was like pre buff assmight what's the point of playing a beamer with heavy endlag and average dmg when red bakugo, nagant yellowku even can be played

[viscid lintel]

Is gp hp dmg more worth it than like
Beta dmg tunes, for tech and strike shiggys

[terse pelican]

Hp damage is better

Gp damage doesnt even have much overlap because 2 out of 3 hp are assault slots

[viscid lintel]

Uhhh

I have 5 reds

1 yellow iirc

[terse pelican]

Id put 2 hp dmg and 3 alpha damage on the reds

[stiff lark]

my theory is when they fix it everyone is gonna have the movement buff because we got 4 inertia implentations this season being mic and denki gamma and asshig and assmight beta, i'd imagine they nerf it abit because he seems like rapidmight but with dlc

[viscid lintel]

Got it ill try that

[cerulean rain]

any hit that guard breaks starts using HP damage ups for damage calculations even if it would only do 1 damage to their HP tech shig is almost always guard breaking in two attacks so he gets less value out of GP damage ups compared to HP damage ups and strike shig just has a true damage grab which also heightens the value of HP damage for him

[viscid lintel]

Just kinda thinking, whether or not beta dmg tunes are actually useless furthermore

[cerulean rain]

assault shig interia also just doesn't even feel like it exists lol

[terse pelican]

For strike shiggy id say its kinda bad because they have to make the mistake to take damage to it

[viscid lintel]

Like, id do a 5 beta tunes budget iida build for sure

And i have 5 red betas on tech toga budget build

[cerulean rain]

it's like the last time they gave him it, it just doesn't feel like it's there lol

[viscid lintel]

But like

[terse pelican]

Tech shiggy and assault are ok for beta damage

[viscid lintel]

Idk it's not worth it???

Also guys istg i once

Tech togad a strike shiggy w that build and

My beta of strike shiggy was prollly blowing ppl up

So many bodies rained there i was like "YEAH OMG I SHOULD KEEP IT GOING"

Bit now i think making hp banking is better

Which honestly quite hurts the whimsy of minmaxing ability dmg

Bc ingame we have like 5 RED HERO beta dmg tunes

[cerulean rain]

the GP and HP damage up tunings also do benefit ALL of your abilities rather than just one

[viscid lintel]

That's so weird and rarely any purs allow tk use so many at once

[cerulean rain]

they all boost damage by the same amount

[viscid lintel]

Yup

So like for toga i think j shall move to hp gp focus then alpha focus since beta is worst on jp server

It's kind of sad that i got all of those cool newer characters

But wanna play old ones

Starter ones

[viscid lintel]

Honestly, petition for silent walking during dash speed yk
Then we could play even strike shiggy assassins creedy style

[stiff lark]

for his bet it's kinda weird ike you have to already be moving in a direction and it's went from like 1-1.5 with the update

[meager wolf]

deadly burst that hits once in a lifetime sure

[meager wolf]

people forget that part

[cerulean rain]

like it's there but it's a "okay but why? this is barely doing anything for him" lol

idek why they bothered giving it, that's how i felt when they gave it to gamma

why even bother it's not doing anything beneficial

i slide an extra inch, wow

[viscid lintel]

oh huh wait i already have them in
huuuuhhh... welp... really need mic tuning i cant lie

ig i can just go and play huh it wont really get better than this

[terse pelican]

Not really just predict where they are gonna land and alpha stack

[meager wolf]

JUMP BUTTON

SPACE HOP

[terse pelican]

You cant jump in the air genius

[meager wolf]

EVERYONE HAVING MOVEMENT

oops

[terse pelican]

You have to touch the ground at some point

[meager wolf]

my b

[meager wolf]

some point where he cant chase

cause you know

[viscid lintel]

bunny hop allows for that if you're recovering from a knockdown midair

[meager wolf]

no vertical mobility

[terse pelican]

I mean youre not recovering in the air against a strike shiggy unless he wall ran into air special action on your face

[meager wolf]

and he isnt even build for chasing

a serious pet peave i face that his alpha cant climb over building ledges

[viscid lintel]

damn true

[meager wolf]

only straight surfaced

[terse pelican]

Question what tuning you use on strike shiggy

[meager wolf]

gp sucker , wilpower

[terse pelican]

That explains it

Why are you using gp sucker

Instead of wall runner

On the character whose biggest weakness is vertical mobility

[meager wolf]

felt like it wasnt even helping me escape cause everyone has mobility

might as well try to make myself a little more tanky when i go for kills

[meager wolf]

running up a building wont help when nejire and nagant can do that in half the time

[cerulean rain]

no joke, that is a skill issue i can't lie, i have lost people numerous times with just wall runner

people do not expect someone to loop the same building

ever

[meager wolf]

sure?

[cerulean rain]

and SpA helps with mixing up his wall runner movement a lot

[terse pelican]

I have lost people without wall runner with just air special and alpha flips

[cerulean rain]

oh yeah same

[meager wolf]

iv done it as well

im saying the extra tankyness feels better

than wallrun cause even from top of building sometimes alpha doesnt even travel down

[cerulean rain]

but wall runner on strike shig is very good and if you're failing to lose people with it then you need to get at utilizing wall runner properly

[terse pelican]

It really doesnt, 80 gp when you get a kill is literally nothing

A small pot gives more shield

[cerulean rain]

a small pot is 63

it is not more lol

it is less

[terse pelican]

Nvm i forgot confused with hp because of higher base hp

[cerulean rain]

last season GP sucker was bugged though where it did have a decently high chance of full healing your GP though

[terse pelican]

Also had 2 supports on my team

[cerulean rain]

which did actually make it solid

[terse pelican]

Its just like, not really worth the opportunity cost for me

[meager wolf]

well then i might try using this one then with revenge support / hp sucker

[cerulean rain]

i mean sucker builds on strike aren't really that great tbh

[meager wolf]

wallrunner doesnt do anything vs the meta

[cerulean rain]

you mostly want mobility patching

[cerulean rain]

i've had no issues getting away from nagants and tracking slop the character known as rapid deku with wall runner

[stiff lark]

gamma felt nicer for me because i usually ran accel but yeah, the beta change was compareble to that twice -1 dmg nerf

[meager wolf]

mobility doesnt change that you cant hit herous half the time

[stiff lark]

tuning creep? revenge support hypgen is just overall better than them

[cerulean rain]

that too

[meager wolf]

nor does it change that space hop /spiral leap countes most of your kit

[cerulean rain]

well yeah, you're also strike shig you should mostly be sitting in doors anyways

wall runner is just to get inside easier

[meager wolf]

so wtf does wall runner change in that

[cerulean rain]

it is easier to get around

it is also easier to temporarily break LoS with an enemy

when you have wall runner mixups

vs "wow this dude is only ever on the ground, therefore nice corner you ran around"

it is so easy to keep up with someone who doesn't have an option to mix up their elevation easily

[meager wolf]

so wall runner is good for when your escaping and doesnt actualy deal with the issue

[cerulean rain]

sitting in a building as a build camping character does

also

it's a TEAM game

you have TEAM to work with, get someone who shoot people

[meager wolf]

pls

[meager wolf]

dont

[cerulean rain]

what point out that you should play with team in a team game designed to take care of one another's weaknesses?

[meager wolf]

do not say it like its a team game where everyone magically hold each other hands

[meager wolf]

sry but the HARD META ALSO HAVE TEAMMATES FOR THAT

[cerulean rain]

i'm just going to point out

that statisitcally in tournaments bunker comps do very well

bunker comps often include a strike shig

[meager wolf]

sry , give me like 4 minuets i need to chill . im tilted

[cerulean rain]

solo queue is awful, if you do not feel confident in dealing with the meta due to crappy solo queue teammates as strike shig then unironically you shouldn't be solo queuing strike shig

[meager wolf]

never seen that in any scrim that isnt forced out by storm

and its not even consistent at all

[cerulean rain]

getting top 3 placement is doing well, they will usually consistently get top 3

[meager wolf]

yeah i know

[cerulean rain]

that is consistent lol

[meager wolf]

but you guys seem to know something that strike shigi is actually goodf

[cerulean rain]

he's good at his role

[stiff lark]

and this is why tech shiggy tamaki and strikdeavour always be good

[meager wolf]

despite no one every playing him over his other two versions

[cerulean rain]

you play to his role, and you play with a team

if you are solo, you do not play him because you cannot play with a team

[meager wolf]

cant momo out duel him with triple alpha beta for guardbreak?

[cerulean rain]

or you expect to cope and don't complain about it because you signed up for that

[meager wolf]

singed up for it for wanting to play a character i like

[stiff lark]

true but when the zones are in your favour it's very easy to get good placement and picks

[meager wolf]

my bad ngl

[cerulean rain]

momo is a lockdown character in a bunker comp, she locks you in the room and makes you unable to leave due to cannons or staggering alpha, strike shig is for "you do not want to enter this room, if you do, you will hurt a lot"

[meager wolf]

i should meta slave

[cerulean rain]

also she can't do triple alpha beta for a guard break, the beta you could just avoid easily with wake up iframes lol

[meager wolf]

ugh im sorry

i understand your trying to reason im just frustrated

[cerulean rain]

now if you said alpha > alpha > melee 1 > beta yeah that'd do it

[meager wolf]

bbut its weird how people say

he dfoesnt need buffs

[cerulean rain]

but strike out ranges her and has armored to help get out of that range

[meager wolf]

he can camp buildins

[cerulean rain]

he does and doesn't

[meager wolf]

but sadly he isnt even played in that department cause tech shoto does that job better

[cerulean rain]

the problem is if you buff him he becomes even less contestable in a building which he already isn't

but he sucks out in the open

[meager wolf]

then make changes to the base kit

[stiff lark]

this goes for sns, mic cementoss and tech denki they can be good on their own but play them with competent team members and you can really see him shine

[meager wolf]

add some height to alpha so people cant just jump it for free

but nah

[cerulean rain]

so he would be actually played with tech shoto in that if they didn't mess each other up all the time lol

[meager wolf]

he never gets any changes because the devs dont rly care about total balance and every hero being genrally balanced

[cerulean rain]

because strike shig's beta screws over tech shoto's beta

[stiff lark]

i wonder what buffs he should get outside of increasing beta and alpha vert hitbox, 350, and being able to end gamma early

[meager wolf]

iv got one

let his alpha properly travel down buildings

it can climb

but i swear alphing from the top is useless cause it never travels the distance

[cerulean rain]

i find it funny how somehow assault got this first

assault doesn't even benefit that much from it going down lol

going up sure, stops it from just hitting a small bump and not going further

but down for assault is just there

strikes should have gone down for a while

[meager wolf]

ugh im pulling my hair out trying to force this bad char into a meta that sucks for him

ill just save tickets till i can hopefully get tech shigi and enjoy some meta since assault has been gutted

[cerulean rain]

you either just have to accept it and not be bothered by it since you decided you want to deal with it or unfortunately look for something else you find enjoyable

[meager wolf]

he isnt popular so never gonna happen

[broken lodge]

Idk about that

He is very popular

[meager wolf]

pff

[cerulean rain]

strike has been one of the most played since the game started

[meager wolf]

strike shigi?

[broken lodge]

Yeah

[meager wolf]

dont make me laught

[broken lodge]

It's true

[cerulean rain]

he's especially popular in jp

[meager wolf]

in the 2 weeks

iv seen

2

out of over a 100 games

[cerulean rain]

maybe not as popular there recently but he's consistently been pretty popular there

[meager wolf]

popular

sure

[broken lodge]

He is like tech dabi, no matter how bad the character is you will always see him

[meager wolf]

before his buff you never saw tech dabi

the strike version was more popular

[cerulean rain]

i actually tech dabi a fair bit lol

[broken lodge]

Bro what kinda lobbies do you play

[cerulean rain]

only last season did i start seeing strike more

[meager wolf]

i need to ask the same thing lmao

[broken lodge]

What sever are you

[cerulean rain]

hell until the last two seasons strike was more popular than assault

[broken lodge]

Server*

[meager wolf]

cause idk in what world your seeing strike shigi and tech dabi a lot

[meager wolf]

no way

[meager wolf]

NA lmao

[broken lodge]

Tech dabi especially is legit 1 or 2 a lobby

[meager wolf]

one per lobby in a blue moon

[broken lodge]

Even last season

[meager wolf]

and thats what you consider popular?

[cerulean rain]

season 15 and earlier assault wasn't that common until closer to the end of the season 15

[meager wolf]

i wonder what nagant last season was to you if seeing two in a lobby means the hero is popular

[broken lodge]

I didn't say in a blue moon

It's almost every lobby

[meager wolf]

i cant even fact check but im highly doubting

[broken lodge]

They did post character play time before

[meager wolf]

when i played tech dabi

[meager wolf]

when

[broken lodge]

And strike shigi and tech dabi was up there

[cerulean rain]

general consensus was that assault sucked and was the worse quirkset and then the community realized what most assault mains had been saying, the character was strong lol

[broken lodge]

It was long ago tho so

[meager wolf]

i wanna see

[meager wolf]

so not accurate and only popular cause less herous to play overall

[broken lodge]

We paid the price

[cerulean rain]

yes we did

i still hate what they did to him

[meager wolf]

i love how he got nerfed just before i got him

now the guide online is inaccurate

and combos are weird

[cerulean rain]

i hated the hitstop addition, not because of how he felt but because of how easy it made to do the harder stuff that anyone with a barely functional brain could them

[terse pelican]

Tbh i didnt even get to touch the character before the tickets so i didnt have much say

[broken lodge]

From taking skill to being brain dead to being dead

[cerulean rain]

almost every gamma 2 combo went from needing certain conditions like being guard broken, hit late or being really close to him to just "yeah this is free, position doesn't matter just press buttons"

[cerulean rain]

meanwhile, rapid deku

[meager wolf]

idk what the devs are even thinking now lmao

[cerulean rain]

god forbid

[meager wolf]

cause assault got nerfed

[cerulean rain]

we touch that abomination

[broken lodge]

Did you see what people discovered?

[meager wolf]

but nejire and the others didnt get touched

[broken lodge]

If you hold w you have less down power or something like that

[cerulean rain]

that his loops are back? i assume that's what you mean right?

[broken lodge]

Yeah

[meager wolf]

weird asf that strike kirishima who was supposed to be free hasnt been released

[cerulean rain]

oh yeah that's been known i'm pretty sure as well

[meager wolf]

so they are either gonna nerf him in mid season patch

or they are gonna stuff adding free herous to char tickets

[cerulean rain]

i know you could also manipulate the camera to avoid the first of melee as well

giving him even less downpower

[broken lodge]

Yeah cuz the 2nd melee has almost no down power

But it also does no damage

I guess good if people are with you

[cerulean rain]

but yeah gut assault shig combos guys, never touch strike kiri or rapid deku, also let's buff aizawa too

praise aizawa

[dark stump]

The thing with Strike Shiggy is that I see him in the pregame lobby every few games, but I rarely see him in the endgame cuz they're all dead lol
And if I see a Strike Shiggy Beta it's from an AFO with Strike Shiggy quirk

[cerulean rain]

my fault, my stockpile of quirks was delepted

and i wanted the quirk, screw the vessel

[terse pelican]

I mean aizawa got an insane nerf from the armor change but yeah it was dumb

[cerulean rain]

yeah he at least got something out of it that was massively to his benefit though

because beta's a combo tool now

for some reason

[broken lodge]

This game is not meant for combos guys, anyway here is mirko with her combo heavy play style

[terse pelican]

Yeah ive been hit by it and its very stupid

[meager wolf]

omfg

HOLY

[broken lodge]

Insane blue deku and red Kiri buff btw

[meager wolf]

I GOT STRIKE KIRISHIMA

OFF A RANDOM ONE PULL

[terse pelican]

Btw guys assault shiggy combos are still good people say asshaul is crazy because he has one 250 dmg combo

[broken lodge]

Congrats

[meager wolf]

time to bully people with tods

[broken lodge]

I genuinely think asshual is better then him

[dark stump]

Asshaul does have a heal

and better mobility

[broken lodge]

He also can bully fliers

[cerulean rain]

yeah game's not meant for combos, we never had combo characters until assault shig, i swear, we didn't have mt lady, or strike denki, or tenya, or strike shoto, or aizawa, or cementoss or kendo or compress' alpha stunlocking on game release, or rapid ocha even though her players were terrible and just didn't realize she had them, etc

[terse pelican]

Though his mobility cooldowns are dookie

[cerulean rain]

i've seen someone argue we never had combo characters until assault shig dropped btw

[broken lodge]

The devs 👨‍🦯

[cerulean rain]

and it's just like "what are you smoking"

hell even in season 3 we got them

[dark stump]

idk man, I don't think it's a coincidence that I see an Asshaul in endgame of every other ranked game

[cerulean rain]

both strike deku and twice were combo characters lol

[terse pelican]

S1 people didnt even use melees, i remember assault kendo being considered the worst character being a common opinion

[broken lodge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1143674411422060636/1509130261160394815/image.png?ex=6a1dfd54&is=6a1cabd4&hm=19d67890d99611b41fb9f3eb41bd2485066ed11ab1ab383fc7512557a9c1c63b&

This message still pmo

[dark stump]

His survivability is fine in this meta, he just struggles with KOs (partially cuz he's really bad at finishing downs)

[cerulean rain]

season 1 players called strike shig and tech dabi top tiers

[broken lodge]

User friendly = make him asss

[broken lodge]

No but the beamers was top back then

Especially all might

[cerulean rain]

oh yeah, but i saw people argue those two were in the same league as the beamers lmao

i'd have rather just put made gamma 1 have 50 downpower and gamma 2 have 150, he wouldn't have 400 damage combos then but he'd still have 300+ damage combos which is the norm at this point, alpha should just been 50 downpower on the brick and 25 downpower per spread hitbox

that would have actually been a lot better than we got

doesn't kill his combo identity and just forces a knockdown earlier

[broken lodge]

Fix the gamma hit box please

[terse pelican]

All might and mt lady were called mid btw because people werent used to their alphas

[broken lodge]

That shet hits no one anymore

[cerulean rain]

it's so bad

[terse pelican]

It took a while until people actually realized how dumb they were

[cerulean rain]

why am i seeing people in the spread just not even get hit because they were 2 ft higher than me while still grounded because of a slope

[broken lodge]

That remind me when full assault team was meta

😭

[cerulean rain]

bare minimum if you're standing on that spread hitbox you should be taking damage

[broken lodge]

Does it still have the long ahh active hit box btw ?

[cerulean rain]

good question

[terse pelican]

Me seeing the same team of all might kendo and mt lady every single game because no crossplay pc had like 50 concurrent players

[cerulean rain]

i've barely touched him this season so idk lmao

[broken lodge]

I think it does but not sure

Hard to test

[broken lodge]

It was worse in eu

You legit know everyone by name

[cerulean rain]

the only good thing about gammas change is that the fall hitbox spikes and can be cancelled at any point before the shockwave comes out with a beta now

but it barely even links into gamma 2 properly

sometimes they bounce too high

[broken lodge]

Yeah I saw a new combo with that

[terse pelican]

Nah it also was like that in us server, like after you ended a game the next lobby had like 15 of the same players

[broken lodge]

Gamma to drop em down into beta into sa

[cerulean rain]

yeah but even then he could do that prior it was more position reliant

i just hate the current state of him, why did we make alpha have this much downpower especially when you can't even hit all 3 hits now?

can he just have the standard beamer downpower of 50 given he's doing less damage than them?

why is it 100 and 150 downpower for 72 and 76 damage

[broken lodge]

Did you try sending a message complaining

https://service-en.bandainamcoent.eu/app/mestickets

They won't listen but it's all we can do

[terse pelican]

Isnt it 175 for 76

[cerulean rain]

75 downpower per spread is 150

[terse pelican]

Oh i was thinking projectile + spread

[cerulean rain]

since they only care about JP's feedback, and i'm not kidding, i know someone who's seen the devs outright state they do not care about ANY feedback at all unless it's from japan. I see no point in bothering

because the devs actually talk with the JP community

[terse pelican]

Average japanese developer tbh

[broken lodge]

Do we have any assault shigi lovers in jp

Save us

https://tenor.com/view/invincible-invincible-war-i-need-you-cecil-cecil-invincible-gif-17654934589302344134

[cerulean rain]

good question, i see like two of them come up on twitter but idk if they're part of the forum that the devs use

i know one of them was bummed out about the combo changes

[broken lodge]

Crazy it he wouldn't

Realistically I can see them buffing him in a season or two if no one plays him anymore but never changing him back to how he was

[cerulean rain]

if they buff him it will not relate to combos lol

that's never getting buffed lol

mt lady and twice are still unbuffed combo wise

[broken lodge]

Yeah

It will be something dumb

[jagged flame]

They just made Yellow Shiggy into plain milk bread

[viscid lintel]

i've strike shiggy'd the coffin
last match of the dayy

i 1v1ed aizawa so hard bro disconnected

[limpid patio]

Assault isn't even that bad honestly, his gamma just needs a few more tweaks

[broken lodge]

his gamma is horrible

[limpid patio]

ik but i prefer the direction they are going for it

[quartz kestrel]

I leave for a couple of seasons and see all three shiggles nerfed

[limpid patio]

strikes been chillin abit compared to tech and assault

[quartz kestrel]

Well thats nice to hear

But it doesnt matter

We are all mirko mains now

[limpid patio]

i would main mirko but shes got the same problem as mirio

her combos don't work with high ping, so im solely stuck with shig

[honest fulcrum]

Uhhh what

[zealous knoll]

i havent use strike shigi for a month...but wtf is that normal running --"

[viscid lintel]

Lowkey strike shigi is more fun than tech shigi

But i really need smb to teamheal my fighty non escaping loser skill gameplay outta death

I feel like i have more braincells w him

I cannot rly 1v1 with tech

Like fr I'm not hitting aerial part of the beta on purpose

And his amount of tools kinda sucks

What, four alphas two betas

Icl strike doesnt exactly have more but i found myself measuring the output

So like, recovery of alphas is faster from 1 rather than 0

[viscid lintel]

Hm
How accelable is striggy

[stiff lark]

Made him bland and and he's not even that good at his new niche

[broken lodge]

i somehow still get more kos when i play him than when i play tech

red is 50 50

[cerulean rain]

the alpha debris buff is really nice just for dealing with people who run into the air

it does help but god if everything else they did this season doesn't feel so much worse for him

aside from bigger beta AoE lol

[broken lodge]

just make the gamma hit box bigger

[cerulean rain]

it should at least catch the majority of jumps in the game

obviously hitting space hop was too much

[broken lodge]

i slam infront of someone face and tehy dont get hit cuz they 1 step higher

[cerulean rain]

but it should at least catch AFO standing jump as it's max height

also if you're just standing on the visual you should get hit regardless of height

that or just make the visual not appear if it's not going to hit that spot

because i shouldn't look at someone ever stand on a visual for a hitbox and not get hit

that just looks buggy as hell

[broken lodge]

i hope it is and they would fix it

[cerulean rain]

they gave it a height limit of 200 ingame units which the visual is completely separate from that. the height check is setup to check from where shig's hands are on the ground so it's not a bug

it's just a lack of thinking lol

[dawn star]

Yellow Shigaraki lv. Recommends

[limpid patio]

Atp beta then alpha then gamma, ir alpha first because you are not hitting the spread at low levels with the changes they did to it

[terse pelican]

holy crap the assault shiggy alpha nerf was worse than i thought, i thought you could hit either 2 decay spread or the projectile + 1 spread

no if you hit the projectile you dont get anything else

youre punished with less damage for having aim

he has a lobber shot that does less damage on direct hit than the almost hitscan characters

[limpid patio]

im fine with it, i just really want his gamma to properly drag ppl

[rocky cape]

Learning assault shiggy, anyone got any tips or combos?

[viscid lintel]

Kinda late, his combos just got killed

He got dmg and dp up

Smth about how his moves now work worse too

Smth abt vertical dmg gone

[viscid lintel]

So id say prolly get in close, melee a bit and throw a skill in the end

Not much combo matter like with supphaul

[viscid lintel]

Personally on jp i played w a chad assshiggy which played very well in like, chaos city prison endzone
Id say assault has a better uptime for the constant block of a zone with dmg, but honestly it's kinda NOT worth it 90% times otherwise
Bro almost carried us but got naganted still

That was like, a team where everyone wanted to be shiggy but the worst was chosen, he still kinda cooked icl

[meager wolf]

tbh

i dont even want tech shigi cause he is strong