pc-gaming

[mellow lintel]

It's always the way the games manage turns and such

It's not natural feeling

[sleek agate]

I think I prefer AMD's scaling, tbh.

[ruby heath]

people used to prefer AMD cus of price to performance but now its the same price as the competition pretty much

[sleek agate]

Yeah but I kinda wish I bought a 6600XT now but oh well

[devout remnant]

AMD are fastest

[ruby heath]

did you get a Nvidia card?

[ruby heath]

at all resolutions?

[autumn sluice]

Btw the human eye can see upwards of 200fps iirc from natgeo

[sleek agate]

Yeah, Nvidia 3060 12GB

[autumn sluice]

Base 3060 is not worth imo. The ti price to performance is very good with it being very near msrp again

[ruby heath]

how does that compare the its amd equivalent ?

[sleek agate]

I think the 6600XT is faster (like EnVii said) but the Nvidia card has more VRAM.

[devout remnant]

1080p & 1440p, about the same if not marginally slower at 4K

[ruby heath]

i have a twitch stream open in the background trying to get into the Overwatch2 beta 💀

[devout remnant]

I can definitely see 360fps

[ruby heath]

at least you get the other Nvidia features like RTX voice

[sleek agate]

Don't use that/no idea what it is 😂

[ruby heath]

🤣 it just removes background noise from your mic if you talk online

[sleek agate]

Can FOV be used on console? It's so good!!!

[sleek agate]

Where would I find it? Noob question 🤣

[ruby heath]

you have to download it https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/guides/nvidia-rtx-voice-setup-guide/

[sleek agate]

Ngl, that's pretty damn good o_O

Never heard of it.

[ruby heath]

yea that feature is insane this guy tested it last year. Its insane how well it workshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-mETIjcIV0

Im pretty sure it also works on GTX cards

[last remnant]

Yeah, but worse as it’s not intended

[ruby heath]

thats a thing?

[last remnant]

It works on GTX cards via a change in a text file but it doesn’t give as good results and sometimes doesn’t work, there is the few times it was great tho

[ruby heath]

RTX voice is crazy how you can also remove background noise from videos online you watch

[smoky flame]

Lowest level AMD GPU I'd go for is the 6700 XT tbh. From 6600XT I believe AMD limit things like PCIE Lanes and even decoding/encoding features plus 6700 XT has 12GB VRAM vs the 3070's 8GB. The AMD card is likely to be cheaper while the Nvidia card offers some premium features

[sleek agate]

Doing it now via youtube lol

[ruby heath]

i use the asus noice cancelling thing it works just as good as RTX voice

[ruby heath]

anyone play the overwatch 2 beta? its pretty good

[latent gate]

It always works. it occasionally crashes.

if you use it while playing a game then it has a good chance to spike gpu usage

[sullen trellis]

I just played it. Lots of fun so far!

[ruby heath]

yea its great, last i played overwatch was like 2 years ago but this beta got me back into it

[sullen trellis]

Oh I picked it up again recently. Been playing it on Xbox since last year or so

And PC since release before that until my break

[devout remnant]

Depends on game

[last remnant]

Hmm must have been something else for me, maybe it was overloaded or something because my mic turned out very very bad for friends

[latent gate]

yes. that's called GPU being maxed out

[last remnant]

Welp, knew it was time to upgrade my card

[keen bloom]

Hopefully the 4080 lets me do 4k 60 max setting raytracing when it releases lol

[latent gate]

it will not

[keen bloom]

That would kinda suck

[latent gate]

I don't see how it would happen

games are starting to shift visual focus to new hardware

games will look better and be more intensive

[keen bloom]

So do i just give up on wanting to have raytracing at this point

[latent gate]

you can use raytracing

but you won't be running max settings

not without things like DLSS/FSR/XESS

[keen bloom]

Is ddr 5 ram worth getting currently

[latent gate]

no

[keen bloom]

I will figure out what gpu i want around September

[smoky flame]

I see Zen 4 is to support DDR5 5200MHz and only DDR5. No DDR4 support for Zen 4 like there is on Intel's Alder Lake CPUs. That could be a pretty expensive upgrade incoming for some that are brave enough. Odd feature with Zen 4 motherboards (X670 I think it was) chipset could be dual chipset. How would such a thing work?

[latent gate]

It'd have to be a very specific thing AMD does with board partners

and it'll be on the board partners to implement it

[last remnant]

Glad my current CPU will last a while

[latent gate]

other than that I don't see AMD making a move otherwise

going forward DDR5 will make a huge difference

but only when we start seeing games shift focus

DDR5 has built-in ECC

[smoky flame]

think I'm definitely skipping Zen 4 but will be looking at how others fare with it when released and in the months that follow with Intel 13th gen but if that supports both DDR4 and DDR5 too I'll wait again. I said I'd hold off until CPU performance is greater than 100% of a 5600X but I think I'll scale that back somewhat. 8 cores or more, 50% or great performance to that of a 5600X while gaming at 4K

so much I gotta learn about ECC on RAM because either way DDR5 will be part of my next upgrade

[latent gate]

Zen 4's shifting to TSMC 5nm

that alone is reason for me

I'll probably bump to 7800X or 7950X

600 isn't enough throughput

[smoky flame]

I'm kind of tempted just to target a future 950X CPU too. Been tempted to even look at a 5950X just now but I feel that would be a waste of money at this point since AM4 is due to be a dead end platform. 6 cores seemingly isn't that strong these days but 16 cores (at least, AMD may change that in the future) now that is future proofing for a few generations to follow or so i'd hope. No harm in going for the top CPU when it is likely the best binned with every other model below gradually getting worse

[latent gate]

5950X is definitely a waste of money currently

always has been

mostly because we've known the 7000 series was coming

[keen bloom]

I am going from laptop to desktop

[latent gate]

and that it was going to be 5nm

[keen bloom]

So for gpu i guess i would decide between 4080 or 7900xt

[smoky flame]

7800 XT would be a fairer comparison since those two will likely do battle whenever released. 7900 XT and 4090 could be in completely different leagues if all the talk around chiplet GPUs are to be believed. Halo tier might actually have a reason to go for it for a change - though it will be ridiculously expensive still I'd imagine

[latent gate]

Intel's GPU are hitting market as well

[keen bloom]

Hopefully they make a 4k max settings gpu

[latent gate]

no

they don't exist

it's becoming a broken record

if you want max with RT you have to use DLSS

[smoky flame]

I'm not sure Intel's GPUs will be a threat to either RTX 40 or RX 7000 series GPUs. Current upcoming Intel stack of desktop GPUs is said to top out at around 6700 XT performance. Which if the rumours around the 7700 XT being faster than a 6900 XT while being limited to 8 PCIE lanes is true Intel will be wiped out within a few months of their GPUs launching

[keen bloom]

If that is true rip intel gpu

[smoky flame]

probably be Intel's 2023 GPU line up that catches up with both AMD and Nvidia and I for one can't wait to see Intel GPUs maturing and getting better over time. More competition is good. Though I'll still be going for whatever offers the best performance and features at the lowest price

the best doesn't always have to be the most expensive is all I'm going to say

[keen bloom]

I can't wait to be able to use my giant 4k 120 hz oled monitor on a pc

[smoky flame]

same. I'm still waiting to find a desk that will support my LG C1. Don't trust the one I have just now but it is why I said I'd be gaming at 4K soon. As soon as I find a good sturdy desk 4K 120Hz gaming on a n OLED TV here I come. Future monitor/TV would have to be OLED and greater than 120Hz or even 4K after that. Could end up becoming a bit of a display snob lol 😆

[keen bloom]

I don't really need more than 120hz since i only play rpg , jrpg and third person action adventure games with stealth elements

[smoky flame]

I think I'm slowly coming to the reality that 240Hz is a bit silly outside of esports games. None of the games I play besides Rocket League have reached 240 FPS at the settings I play while being at 1440p which i find an odd resolution. 4K being more standard (like 1080p) makes sense

probably get someone asking well why not go back to 1080p? future PC specs would be far too powerful for it so might as well look at 4K give the GPU some work

[keen bloom]

Also 1080p doesn't look good anymore

[smoky flame]

can always throw games to render at 1080p through DLSS, XeSS or FSR and get ray tracing going. Just as Dark said, that would be about the only way ray tracing really becomes playable at 4K. Tried Cyberpunk 2077 again for a little bit with 1440p ultra settings (and ray tracing) and set FSR to auto and framerate was in the region of 40-60 FPS. Disable all of the ray tracing effects and turn off FSR I get 80+ FPS easily at ultra

[keen bloom]

I might just be happy with 4k ultra for the next few gens i guess

[smoky flame]

btw, my system specs are: 5600X, 32GB 3600MHz DDR4 RAM and a 6800 XT and it is getting less than 60 FPS at 1440p ultra + ray tracing even with the assistance of FSR. Should see it in Dying Light 2. It's even worse 😱

of all the games I have played that support ray tracing settings only one has managed to maintain 60+ FPS while other settings are at ultra and that game was Far Cry 6. Didn't even have to use FSR for it and it hovers close to 100 FPS but I don't get that game. It behaves very strangely

[latent gate]

it also only has a fairly basic implementation

it also has CPU stutter

[smoky flame]

yeah and GPU power usage seems to be all over the place. I would have thought gaming at 1440p ultra settings would have had just about any GPU screaming and using all it's power (if not close to) there has been times in Far Cry 6 where I've seen power usage around 200-220W where the 6800 XT has at least 280W to play with, up to 322W if I unlock the power limit

[keen bloom]

I probably need a 1000-1200 watt power supply

[smoky flame]

though I will say with the fairly basic implementation of ray tracing in Far Cry 6 the DXR reflections do look better. DXR Shadows are meh. Find it pretty hard to spot the difference with them compared to the reflections at least and that isn't just limited to Far Cry 6 btw

[keen bloom]

Are the amd drivers are as bad as some people say or nah

[smoky flame]

they aren't as bad as some would have you think. At least I haven't run into issues since upgrading to my 6800 XT last June. They just work. Idk what else to say about them really

[keen bloom]

I may try amd for my build

[cedar elm]

https://www.ign.com/articles/elder-scrolls-free-steam-arena-daggerfall-wolfenstein

[brazen gorge]

What kind of motherboard would I need to support these items

Intel Core i9-12900K, RTX 3090 Gaming X Trio, and and Corsair Platinum RGB 64 GB 5200 MHz DDDR5 C40 ram.

[sleek agate]

@autumn sluice does this look right for undervolting?

Trying to bring the temps down

But it doesn't seem to be working...

[main bone]

How do I find the files of a game I installed from game pass on my pc?

[autumn sluice]

@sleek agate u need to turn the voltage down not the curve. Id look up some settings on reddit for your gpu because ours are different

[sleek agate]

How do I turn the voltage down? It's doing the cpu clock. 😐

[autumn sluice]

-_-

[sleek agate]

I've been looking all over Google and Reddit and it says to adjust the thingy and I've been doing it but it's adjusting the clock speed, not voltage.

[autumn sluice]

Not in the curve

[sleek agate]

What?

[sleek agate]

Idk how to get that up

Core Voltage is greyed out

[autumn sluice]

Power limit

As i said dont touch underclock overclock settings unless you 100% know what youre doing lest you burn out your gpu

[sleek agate]

?

What does power limit have to do with voltage?

[autumn sluice]

What does limiting the gpus voltage have to do with voltage?

[sleek agate]

That's what power limit does, adjusts the voltage?

[autumn sluice]

Limits the max

[sleek agate]

I thought you had to adjust the voltage lol it's greyed out ¯_(ツ)_/¯

I set it to the lowest and it's still grey

[main bone]

How do I find the files of a game I installed from game pass on my pc?

[sleek agate]

#233805809346150400

[autumn sluice]

As i said yur gonna have to google the steps on how to undervolt. Im not the best teacher plus googling yourself teaches yourself

[sleek agate]

Yes! I've been looking and what I'm adjusting is adjusting the clock speed. it's NOT touching the voltage. I've been searching for hours.

Core Voltage is grey and it won't let me touch it. power limit isn't adjusting the voltage...

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[autumn sluice]

Then google why

[sleek agate]

🤣 I did.

Can you screenshot your settings?

[autumn sluice]

Nope cause.our cards are different

And tbh i dont wanna be responsible if you clock your card wrong and poof

[sleek agate]

Yes but it'll tell me if it's letting you set a voltage. mine is greyed out.

[autumn sluice]

google how to enable voltage limit msi afterburner

[sleek agate]

🤣

[autumn sluice]

Gotta go

[sleek agate]

Bye.

I needed to enable it in the settings. but I set a value and it's at 0+?

Does it need to be - or +?

[ruby heath]

😬

[sleek agate]

What?

[ruby heath]

why are you messing with that stuff

[sleek agate]

Just messing about.

• doesn't work and + only goes to 100

[ruby heath]

what do you mean it doesnt work

free game on Epic Games 🤣

[sleek agate]

Like I said, doesn't work. I set it to -575, click apply and goes back to:

So either I'm stupid (probably) or I'm missing something.

[ruby heath]

idk ive never used the MSI thing before

[sleek agate]

🆗

[ruby heath]

why do you want to overclock anyway

[sleek agate]

? What? I'm not overclocking. I'm trying to undervolt. 😐

[ruby heath]

oh snap

cant you do that in the bios

[sleek agate]

No. that's CPU, not GPU.

[ruby heath]

wait why do you want to undervolt the gpu

[sleek agate]

Temps are bad. sigh...

[ruby heath]

GPu's dont really get that crazy unless the case airflow sucks

[sleek agate]

Yes.

[ruby heath]

is it a small case

[sleek agate]

Yes...

[ruby heath]

even then as long as you have the fans facing the right directions for good airflow it should be ok

are all your fans pushing air into the case?

[sleek agate]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

idek if this + adds to the voltage or decreases it. 😄 🤣

-375 or whatever value goes back to 0+ 😢

[ruby heath]

you should look up on youtube how to undervolt a GPu then i guess

[sleek agate]

🤣

[ruby heath]

https://www.electronics-cooling.com/2019/11/forced-air-cooling-should-you-push-or-pull/

[sleek agate]

Not like I've been doing that mate. 🙂

[ruby heath]

thats one thing i like about AMD if i really wanted to undervolt my GPU i can just hit a button on Radeon software

[sleek agate]

Yes, same. it's much easier with AMD.

[ruby heath]

this thing just pops up when you do it

[sleek agate]

Yes....

[ruby heath]

how hot is your GPu getting?

[ruby heath]

this is basically how i have my fans set up 💀

[smoky flame]

auto undervolt is very light. Better results can be achieved manually

[ruby heath]

i would rather have it just be a light change tbh

[sleek agate]

How?

[smoky flame]

on AMD to manually undervolt set GPU tuning control to Manual control: Custom then enable GPU tuning and advanced control and from there lower the Voltage (mV) slider in increments of 10 until a game crashes then go back 10 and that should be stable to apply as an undervolt

[ruby heath]

hey we have the same specs 🔥

[smoky flame]

to do the same with Nvidia GPUs I'm kind of out the loop with more recent GPUs but doesn't Nvidia have their own overlay through Geforce Experience these days that allows overclocking etc? it could work similarly rather than having to run a 3rd party program

[ruby heath]

i dont think Geforce lets them mess with overclocking

@smoky flamedo you like having the zero RPM setting on?

[smoky flame]

yeah, having no noise while idle is nice and even under gaming loads I hardly notice the fans turn on

[sleek agate]

I know you do that with AMD, I'm trying with Nvidia though. 😉

[smoky flame]

as I said, see if Nvidia's overlay through Geforce Experience has any voltage control like AMD has and give that a try. Other than the MSI Afterburner method (which I don't know if things have since changed) from when I learnt how to undervolt my 1080 Ti FE I don't know of any other way to undervolt an Nvidia GPU

to bring up that overlay if you have GFE installed I believe it is the same hotkey (alt + R) as AMD Software

[sleek agate]

ALT+R brings up an overlay...

Nothing else. Oh well.......

[smoky flame]

sorry I wasn't more help 😦 I'm sure YouTube has plenty of guides that may even cover the card you run that may help with the MSI Afterburner method

[sleek agate]

Yeah according to YouTube and Google, I can't undervolt a card that has a 'boost' with AB, it's more complicated. I've tried everything and it remains at +0 even if I set it to -375. I can add +0 or +100 (or below) So... Would love to know how @autumn sluice undervolted his card unless he's doing the same as me. 🙂

[smoky flame]

hmm that makes no sense. By boost do you mean factory OC boost?

[sleek agate]

Boost as in overclocks itself. Makes perfect sense.

I asked in /r/overclocking and was told you can't do it with AB.

Need to manually set the undervolt (not sure how, the dude said he's busy until Saturday)

[smoky flame]

what does the MSI Afterburner voltage/frequency curve look like when set to stock/no changes made? I see you posted a screenshot of it earlier but by the looks of it there were some changes made

[sleek agate]

It just adjusts the clock speed, doesn't touch the voltage.

[autumn sluice]

Dis is why u shouldnt touch it

[sleek agate]

Lmao.

[autumn sluice]

Only thing i should touch is your fan curve in settings which somwone can help with im busy at the moment

[sleek agate]

Well, you said you undervolted your 3060TI so... 😄

[smoky flame]

I don't even have MSI Afterburner installed to check myself but even if I did I think they made AMD hardware and overclocking different to Nvidia so again, help I can offer is pretty limited and knowledge is based off a card I owned around two years ago. Most of which I've since forgotten or fear that it may not apply to RTX 30 series cards. I'd just leave things run stock if you aren't sure what to do. Less hassle that way and in some cases operating at stock is best for stability since both an undervolt or overclock can lead to crashes

[ruby heath]

i wish i could help but im slow

[sleek agate]

Think I done it.....

[ruby heath]

what, undervolting your GPU?

[keen bloom]

Good case or nah

[cedar smelt]

It's a nice case, but a really high price.

[dusty vector]

I have the 4000X and love it

[sleek agate]

Yeah ☺️😂

[ruby spear]

@cedar elm I removed that as there's profanity in the preview.

[pulsar verge]

muck anyone?

[tawny zephyr]

Yoooo this is Awsome

[keen bloom]

My budget is probably around $4500+ AUD depending on if next gen gpus are going to get scalped

[devout remnant]

I love Corsair cases, that’s a really nice one!

[ruby heath]

Too expensive, plus cases like that usually have bad airflow

[full flint]

i think people aren't realizing that's the price in AUD vs USD, that's right on about what it should be after conversion and AUS tax (notice how it's spelled "centre" and not "center," dead giveaway that it's not the USA)

and i can confirm that these corsair cases do NOT have bad airflow, they may not have "the best,' but there is at least 1/2" gap on all four sides of the tempered glass front panel, i have a midATX in the same line of cases in an un-airconditioned house and have plenty fine temps, i have a 3900x/2080ti build in one case and a 5950x/3080ti build in the other and they're both fine all times of the year in the same case

those are ~300-350 USD, so 400 AUD is...pretty right on

[devout remnant]

I love winter when I can get my room -10c with just opening the window

My 3DMark scores go through the roof !! 🔥

[full flint]

unfortunately for me, where i live, pretty much anything built before 1950 has no central AC, and i do like the winter for that reason as well lol

if you want a high quality, well designed and well built full ATX tower case, the 7000x definitely checks all those boxes

[devout remnant]

Oooofff can understand,
I mean, im not really a summer person anyway so can’t wait for September/October again 😄

[devout remnant]

Agree!

As Eden also said, the 4000 series of Corsair cases are imo really good too.

Those or a Lian-Li OC11 XL or something similar

[full flint]

it's all the little touches in a high end case that really make you appreciate how much design effort goes into them, and i would recommend that for anything but the most budget oriented builds, you spend a bit more than you normally do for a case, cuz the build process is orders of magnitude more pleasant

what's spending an extra $20-30 for that QOL?

[devout remnant]

Yeah, I love my case and couldn’t go to anything else now.

[full flint]

i have done a few builds in NZXT cases for example and i found myself not quite as impressed as everyone else, but ymmv wildly

they're still well built, but i have a few quibbles with a couple things they do...and that's probably more a reflection of my preferences than an issue with the case design per se

[sleek agate]

Is it true LHR cards go for less than NON-LHR?

[full flint]

MSRP is less, and in theory, they're less desirable to crypto miners so they may be cheaper on the second hand market

real world pricing though...not always that way

[sleek agate]

I might buy an AIO cooler for my CPU because even with an auto overclock with my b350 bios I'm getting 100+c

[full flint]

ummmmm...yeah that's a problem, you aren't gonna want to overclock on a stock cooler

[devout remnant]

Yeah, also, they’re too small 😄

[sleek agate]

Yeah I think the cpu can handle 4/4.2ghz but it gets way too hot

[full flint]

although if your motherboard has some multicore enhancement stuff turned on in the bios, it'll peg the temp

[sleek agate]

peg the temp?

[full flint]

peg the temp, peg it at like 100*c

[sleek agate]

My bios is all default settings 😄

[full flint]

and that's often a default setting left on

your overclocking capabilites on a b350 board are going to be limited anyway, they tend to have much less robust power delivery than x470/x570 boards

[sleek agate]

Yeah... it's either I buy a new cooler for £40 or just replace the CPU for a 5600/5600x. I'd need a new cooler then anyway. but money is tight atm. 😢

[full flint]

i don't believe b350 has zen3 support

it may but

[sleek agate]

I've never touched a CPU upgrade though, I wouldn't know how to put thermal paste on 😂

It's supposed to get zen3 support sometime in May for b350+ mobos.

[full flint]

interesting, well, ok then lol

[sleek agate]

My bios has a beta out atm but not used it. waiting until it's stable 😄

[full flint]

what cpu do you have now?

[sleek agate]

ryzen 2600

[full flint]

what board is it on

[sleek agate]

asus b350 prime plus

[full flint]

hang on i will return in a moment

using the plain wraith cooler?

[sleek agate]

Don't think it's the wraith, I know it's just stock and crap at cooling 🤣

[full flint]

actually, the stock AMD coolers aren't anywhere near as bad as the old stock coolers from days long gone

the stock AMD coolers with the zen cpus are, unironically, decent

not to say it'll handle an overclock like it's nothing

[sleek agate]

I might need a repaste then. I've had it 3 years

[full flint]

possible but i am looking through the manual to see if it has MCE stuff to enable/disable

[full flint]

cuz my money would be on that

37*c at idle is fine

if you needed a repaste i would presume your temps would spike higher at idle

[sleek agate]

Yeah it's just when there's load, it goes really high lol

OCTT went over 110c and it shut itself down xD

[full flint]

if you did the auto overclock then that doesn't surprise me

but overclocking on the stock cooler is probably a losing battle

disable whatever overclocking you have, and go do the same thing that made the temp spike to 110*, and see if it still spikes to 110*c

[sleek agate]

It goes to around 70c/80c without the OC.

[full flint]

yeah ok then you're fine, i mean, get a new cooler fi you insist on overclocking

[sleek agate]

Yeah I really don't know.

I'm not bothered about OC'ing really, just want the best performance.

[full flint]

well, to over simplify, the way AMD CPUs have worked since zen is that they will clock themselves up til they either hit a thermal limit, or a power limit

so getting a better cooler will, in theory, allow the "turbo boost" or whatever AMD calls it to go higher

and it will obviously allow much more thermal headroom for a manual OC

[sleek agate]

I did look at an AIO last night but it looks well complicated.

[full flint]

they're not complicated at all

[sleek agate]

I never really touch hardware

[full flint]

well, ok, maybe a bit if you've never put components inside a case or built a PC

[sleek agate]

I just about managed to upgrade my GPU 🤣

[full flint]

i wouldn't let that dissuade you, it's mostly a "i could break my very expensive PC" anxiety that seems to stop people from DIY'ing

[sleek agate]

Yeah that's what I'm scared about

[full flint]

but there are lots of videos and/or people willing to help

yeah i mean an AIO is a bit more involved than just swapping out an aircooler cuz you have to mount a rad and stuff but i still wouldn't let that stop you

i gather you're in the UK and i dunno what competitors to microcenter exist there but if there's some enthusiast PC parts store they may even have someone there who (for a price) can walk you through it looking over your shoulder

i digress...anyway, an upgraded aircooler should be plenty fine for your needs from what it sounds like, an AIO is objectively a better solution, but the cost and complexity may not be worth it for your needs

my 3900x is on air FWIW

my 5950x is not though, but that's a different story

[sleek agate]

I have this case: https://www.cclonline.com/product/301419/ACCS-PV20013-11/Cases/Aero-Cool-Bolt-Mini-Mid-Tower-MicroATX-Case-in-Black-with-Tempered-Glass-RGB-LED-Front-Panel/CAS3834/

[full flint]

hooooooooly based, ok, if you can only use a 120mm AIO, i wouldn't even bother with an AIO, it won't really give you that much better cooling than a nice air cooler

it says you can mount 2x120mm fans on top, but i presume you'd have clearance issues with the radiator if you tried a 240mm rad AIO

[sleek agate]

Yeah I might get this and look up a tut - https://www.cclonline.com/product/355858/ACFRE00060A/CPU-Coolers/Arctic-Freezer-34-eSports-DUO-CPU-Cooler-in-Black-with-Red-Trim/CLR2318/

[full flint]

arctic stuff is usually top tier, i have an arctic AIO on one of my builds

[sleek agate]

I bought it as a prebuilt in 2019 before the GPU prices went high. I recently replaced the RX 580 to a 3060

DLSS is a God send lol

[full flint]

yeah at least you didn't buy a 3080ti a week before the prices dropped 30%

💩

weirdest flex i've ever made but ok

[sleek agate]

🤣 I still have this 580 sitting doing nothing. I have an old 3200G but the PSU is only 350W so I'd need an upgrade for that. 😢

[full flint]

what, what did say that was unallowed? was it the emu word?

[sleek agate]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Bot is strict lol

[full flint]

3200g and 580x would make a really nice couch rig

[sleek agate]

Yeah or give it my nephew and upgrade his i3-6100 and 280x 😄

[full flint]

i'm sure he'd appreciate that

[sleek agate]

Yeah but he's been using his One S so hasn't really touched his PC. he left his PC on the floor in his room so it's really dusty. I told him to get his dad to clean it but he doesn't use it. 😢

My other nephew asked his dad if he added a keyboard to his One S would it make it a gaming PC 🤣 I'll probably end up giving it him to start off with.

[full flint]

yeah, honestly if he's a teenager it's way more likely that most his friends have consoles too and it only makes sense that he'd prefer to play on the platform with the most people he likes

well, in a way, yes? because the ps4/5 + xbone are all using modified zen 2? cpus i believe and a RDNA 1 gpu

series x, rather, not the xbone

[sleek agate]

Yeah but his One S sounds like an aeroplane. it's really loud. I was chatting with him on a headset and asked if his mom was using a vacuum and he said no, it's his One S lol

[full flint]

if you're still getting your feet out under you, i would recommend gamer's nexus on youtube

steve is very good, very thorough

[sleek agate]

I'm the only one in our family who's upgraded to next-gen

When I got my Series X, I loved it.... but then I upgraded my GPU in my desktop and feel it's a lot smooter/better for me.

It's easier too.

[full flint]

the only console i've bought since 2003 or so is a switch

i built my first pc then and imo anything else feels like i'm going back to the stone ages

and especially when you can tweak graphical settings to regularly sit above 60 fps, where the current gen of consoles seem to have a lot more volatility in that regard, i'm not surprised to hear you say that

[sleek agate]

Only thing I dislike about PC gaming is how expensive some games are, even months after release.

[full flint]

but steam sales

i can say with some confidence that i end up paying way less for games on pc most of the time

[sleek agate]

I just want to play Dying Light 2 on PC. 😄

Do steam sales happen often?

[full flint]

that is the one thing i dislike is the segmentation...i want bloodborne on my PC without using PS+

something is on sale in perpetuity, yeah

[devout remnant]

They do have sales on,
There will be a Summer Sale

[full flint]

you can watchlist games so that if you don't want to buy at launch, just wait for a sale

i got witcher 3 and all dlc for $10, a year or so after it was all released

last three games and all DLC for those on sale, saved at least 30% on every game

[sleek agate]

DL2 is £43 O_o just checked. was £55 last I looked. might get that. 😄

I guess I better cook 😢 be back soon. 😄

[full flint]

steam may be a monopoly but only part of that is a result of convenience, it's great as a consumer

[smoky flame]

PC games are cheaper than console games. Look at Dying Light 2 and its editions on PC vs console

[full flint]

i don't keep track of what's really going on in consoles, but i do have a recollection of a memory of sony and microsoft saying that AAA console releases may be 80USD in the future as well

not factoring in sales via GOG/steam/ect., there's also that (if i'm not Mandela effecting myself)

and you can get addicted to MOBAs much easier on PC too 🙃

[smoky flame]

there's also sites like green man gaming and cd keys that I trust and games can be found even cheaper than on the likes of Steam etc. Have also used Humble Store a few times in the past with the 20% off

[full flint]

gmg has been a favorite as of late, yeah, i like how they often give you a steam key vs GOG forcing you to use their client

dead cells is a masterpiece, don't @ me 🙃

[sleek agate]

Not really.

Dying Light 2 is/was £55 on PC. can grab a new copy for £38 for console.

Oh and cdkeys don't have stock whilst still at £55 https://www.cdkeys.com/dying-light-2-stay-human-steam-pc

PC games are way more expensive.

[full flint]

overall, buying games on PC will be cheaper

especially now that getting used games for consoles is getting harder and harder

[ruby heath]

that would still be an expensive case though no?

[full flint]

in the grand scheme of things, yes, but it has four? or more tempered glass panels, and it is a very large case, so price will align with that

[ruby heath]

i care more about airflow TBH

i bought this $100 case with really good airflow https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08PT8SRZG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[full flint]

that's fine, and by extension, other people have other priorities, but that being said the corsair case in question has more than enough airflow

especially if you are installing an AIO, which i would presume someone looking at that case would be using

[ruby heath]

probably true

last i had a case with a glass panel in front they didnt relaly pull air in

[full flint]

these corsair cases have standoffs that hold the glass well off the case

[ruby heath]

thats true

currently im using a air cooler cus the AIO i had was trash

[brazen gorge]

is there anyone here who can give me a little advice on prebuilds vs custom build gaming rigs

[ruby heath]

what do you mean

[brazen gorge]

Like would it be better to buy a prebuilt pc or to buy the parts for one and build it myself

[raven hull]

Custom build used to a way to save. Not anymore because prebuilt gotten better at parts and pricing. Sometimes better saving that custom.

[ruby heath]

if prices were normal building one yourself would be cheaper

[raven hull]

Both comes down to waiting for the right sale

[ruby heath]

there arent bad prebuilds out there though just have to know what you are looking for

[raven hull]

I used to do custom builds, but now I buy prebuilt and upgrade from there. Because for me it was money save vs time spent waiting/searching.

[ruby heath]

prebuilds do tend to use cheap power supplies and cases but everything else is usually decent

[heavy hound]

anyone wanna play with me

[obsidian bobcat]

If you're looking for someone to play with, please go to #587074461770186765

[brazen gorge]

Thank you guys for your advice @ruby heath and @raven hull

[ruby heath]

i been playing the overwatch beta its pretty good

these queue times though except support

[simple cypress]

Hello is there a way to connect a Xbox 360 controller to table pc with no bluetooth?

is it only possible with the charge and play kit?

[modest gulch]

360 controllers do not support Bluetooth at all.

So your options are the USB cable or possibly an Xbox 360 Wireless Controller Adapter for PC, if you can find it.

e.g. https://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Xbox-Wireless-Receiver-Windows/dp/B000HZFCT2

[simple cypress]

May I ask what the name of the USB port that xbox 360 uses?

the other end of the wire

[modest gulch]

Um, what?

Honestly, I think the play and charge kit for 360 doesn't do data transfer either.

[simple cypress]

yeah im not good with tech stuff

[modest gulch]

But I'm not remembering that well.

I think you need a wired 360 controller to use it on PC.

Like, I did a search on Google and came up with a number of results. https://www.howtogeek.com/178881/ask-htg-how-can-i-hook-up-my-xbox-360-controllers-to-my-computer/

Yeah: the cable won't help for 360 either.

Gotta be a wired controller or you need the wireless controller adapter thingy.

[simple cypress]

oh well i guess ill have to buy a xbox one controller

i wanted to make use of the old one

[modest gulch]

All Xbox One and Series controllers support over-the-wire connections.

Most Xbox One and all Series controllers support Bluetooth as well, but moot here.

[simple cypress]

thanks for the tips and heads up

[sleek agate]

So @autumn sluice I tried installing the driver you claim that has less CPU usage. it's suppose to be 471.68... downloaded from the official Nvidia website. I tried installing on the latest Win11 and Win10. no dice, kept giving an error saying it isn't compatible. Anyway.... I downloaded Win10 1903, tried the same. It installed (I made sure I didn't have updates enabled and no ethernet plugged in) and guess what? according to the Nvidia app, it installed: 472.88..... so I'd love to know how and where you got 471.68 from. according to Nvidia's site, there's no 472.88 🤔

[autumn sluice]

https://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-us

choose the right driver this time

[sleek agate]

I did, it's this one: 471.68-desktop-win10-win11-64bit-international-whql.exe I'm not stupid. 🤣

It installs 472.88

And don't blame Win10 updates because they're fully disabled.

So, either you're not running 471.68 like you say or you're actually using 472.88

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Nvidia's site also doesn't list 472.88 🤣 😄

Weird.

Anyway, idle temps without the fan at 100% have gone down from 55+ to 30. and with the fan at 100%, it's at 26c. happy days.

[autumn sluice]

https://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/179685/en-us

did you run ddu first

[sleek agate]

I did.

I didn't have any driver installed because I disabled updates. but used DDU anyway.

It was a fresh install of Win10 1903

[autumn sluice]

no wonder you have issues, update your stuff

[sleek agate]

What?

[autumn sluice]

im going back to my games now

[sleek agate]

Even on a fully updated win10/win11, the driver you claim to have less cpu usage wouldn't install.

😂

[sleek agate]

What Windows version and how did you install it?

[autumn sluice]

just use windows update

[sleek agate]

Then it says incompatible. anyway. just used DDU, rebooted without a driver. tried installing 471.68 from your link and

Again, what windows version are you using and how did you install it?

[autumn sluice]

Version 10.0.19044 Build 19044

[sleek agate]

I run as admin, it goes through checking if I have an nvidia GPU. the screen goes black, app closes and it's using 472.88

*Again, what windows version are you using and * how did you install it?

That's 21H2 which says it isn't compatible. 🤣 😂

[autumn sluice]

im playing a game right now that i greatly enjoy. i dont know how to help you nor am i tech support.

[sleek agate]

Lmao, I don't believe you're actually running 471.68 without modifying how it's installed.

But k, enjoy.

[autumn sluice]

whatever. excuse me for knowing how to rollback drivers

[sleek agate]

Again, what windows version are you using and how did you install it? maybe read... 😄

[autumn sluice]

dude what do you not understand about windows freaking update and Version 10.0.19044 Build 19044

like im actually done with you at this point cause im annoyed now

[sleek agate]

and how did you install it? I want to know how you downgraded, need to chill out.

[autumn sluice]

i ran the driver from nvidia how else

now im going back to my game

[sleek agate]

Even with an updated Win10/11 it says that.

May have found out why...

Why does it say 32bit?

My ram is 16GB and 12GB VRAM.

100% sure this OS is 64bit 🤔

Yep....

Could it have something to do with a bios setting?

what the hell? 😄

[wind bobcat]

All of my case fans and aio fans stopped spinning all of a sudden and then my display cut off I thought it was the graphics card at first but now I’m so so sure anyone know if that’s a sign of a failed motherboard everything still lights up except for my aio water block

[sleek agate]

I honestly don't know how to downgrade this driver and ADHD guy/woman/whatever they are seems angry at me.

[full flint]

downgrade GPU drivers to stuff 8 months old to fix a CPU usage issue?

[smoky flame]

think the best option you have now is to clear all drivers. Use display driver uninstaller and set it to safe mode and I'd clear any AMD GPU entries you have first through clean and don't restart then clean out the nvidia stuff and restart. Be sure to click the option in the program that will prevent windows installing drivers or it will install the moment you log back in

[sleek agate]

Tried that already

[smoky flame]

and it's still not letting you install the nvidia driver?

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/nvidia-explains-why-their-drivers-are-so-goodand-takes-stab-at-amd.html drivers are so good huh nvidia? this news article is hilarious

Think I've only had issues with one or two beta driver installs in the past. Pretty minor issues and something AMD later fixed but honestly they seem pretty stable for so called beta drivers. I think where problems occur is more on the users end than the drivers themselves

[sleek agate]

So it's my fault 🤔 my windows 11 is fully up to date and still refuses to install. I give up.

[smoky flame]

didn't say it was. I was talking generally with what I said above. If you've tried DDU the only thing left is a fresh install of Windows 11. Issues shouldn't carry over and from there you should be able to install the driver trouble free etc

[sleek agate]

I've tried a fresh install of three different windows versions. 1903, the latest as of today windows 10 AND windows 11. it just won't install.

[smoky flame]

idk what else to suggest then. Sounds like something has gone horribly wrong somewhere 😦

if you do manage to fix it there is a neat little nvidia tool I used to use that makes the driver installation just a little more custom than even Nvidia's own custom install does and it is easy to use, iirc every option had a tip box when you hover over it telling you what it is and if it was important or could be left out. https://www.techpowerup.com/download/techpowerup-nvcleanstall/

[sleek agate]

Google the error, loads of people getting the same.

'not compatible with this Windows version'

Stupid Nvidia

[smoky flame]

wait, you installing an older driver version? I thought it was issues with the latest version. Now things are adding up somewhat

[full mountain]

guys

i was looking for a keyboard cuz my current one aint that good and i came across an ad for an asus rog strix scope tkl deluxe listed for like 40$ should i get it? (as ive seen that keyboard price range is around 180-200$ in my country"

[smoky flame]

looks like my motherboard has got the AGESA 1.2.0.7 BIOS. Now just to wait about a month for it to leave beta before I update

[keen bloom]

Looks like i may have to get a 1200 watt power supply if i want to get a next gen gpu lol

[sleek agate]

Yeah mine got it too, waiting for it to leave beta.

[smoky flame]

that's still the 1.2.0.6b BIOS

[sleek agate]

What's the difference?

I thought both were zen3...

[smoky flame]

I think the AGESA 1.2.0.7 BIOS is the one you need to wait on - at least that is what the article I linked a while back suggests anyway

[sleek agate]

Oh 😄

[smoky flame]

should arrive some time from May. Usually the beta bios lasts about a month before going live. Just keep your eyes out for it. I won't be too surprised if Asus release AGESA 1.2.0.6b and then follow up with the 1.2.0.7 beta shortly after

[sleek agate]

It seems Dying Light 2 on Epic and Steam is now £43.... but do I wait for Steam's summer sale to see if there's more off or get it now. 🤔

How good is Steam's summer sale?

[smoky flame]

usually pretty good if you don't already own about half of the games on sale 😄

[sleek agate]

I only have Dying Light 1 on steam lol and GTA/Fortnite on Epic. 😄

[ruby heath]

idk why i even buy survival games, i never end up playing them

[raven hull]

Same, but with all games

[ruby heath]

damn

[raven hull]

It’s not as bad now that I have a system in place. I don’t allow myself to buy new games without cleaning a game from my backlog first.

[ruby heath]

i still claim the free games on Epic Games launcher even if i dont play them 💀

anyone have an issue on steam where it shows more items in your wishlist than actually show up when you click it?

[full flint]

anybody know how to connect a pc to a xbox

[raven hull]

What do you mean? Like crossplay?

[smoky flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-navi31-flagship-rdna3-gpu-could-hit-92-tflops-of-fp32-performance-four-times-more-than-navi21
Now that would be a crazy bump up in specs. I love these rumours! lol

[ruby heath]

yea thats gonna be expensive AF when it comes out

[smoky flame]

I'd be surprised if AMD could keep something this monstrous below £2000

[devout remnant]

Can’t wait !

Will buy a ASUS LC one

[ruby heath]

that thing is probably going to be big af as well

im tempted to update bios since it supposedly fixes the stuttering on windows 11

but im probably going to wait till its out of the labeled beta

[sleek agate]

Stuttering?

[ruby heath]

yea you get random stuttering on windows 11 with ryzen chips sometimes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tOM-TRJx0w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYnRL-x6DVI

[sleek agate]

Hmm, I've not had that yet

Oh, I disabled fTPM with Rufus before I installed Win11.

[ruby heath]

i have it enabled and i get those stutters sometimes, doesnt happen much but it still happens

[smoky flame]

wait, that's possible? I didn't think Windows 11 would boot or operate properly without TPM of some sort dedicated or firmware

probably don't need all this as a gamer but I got nearly all the device security options enabled

[sleek agate]

All hail Rufus for making it easy. there's others ways too but not sure if I can say here.

Literally add the Win11 .iso, tick a box and it does the rest for you lol

[smoky flame]

I mean, I know there was a way to get it to boot without TPM but I thought Microsoft were doubling down on installations that done this. Flagging them as unsupported (even on supported hardware) and preventing them from receiving future feature updates etc

[sleek agate]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cedar elm]

Elite Series 2 Controller is fully updated, so is Call of Duty and BattleNet. Can someone tell me why this is doing this. It doesn’t do it for other PC games or other games on console. I am hardwired with the controller. Thanks

[full flint]

Can't you do some sort of factory reset via the companion app? I am not at home to test mine but try that first

[latent gate]

that's long been fixed

[ruby heath]

i dont think

[latent gate]

I wasn't asking lol

[ruby heath]

i know

[latent gate]

It's been fixed

for over half a year now

or...well, just under

[ruby heath]

i remember them doing some sort of patches but i dont remember it being a fix

version 1.2.0.7 is supposedly an actual fix

[latent gate]

neither my 3700x nor my 5800x had the issue after the first update.

same with the general lower performance

[ruby heath]

i think the performance thing was fixed in earlier versions but the stuttering still happened.

[latent gate]

performance was

I'm talking about both however

the stutter was several fringe case scenario

[ruby heath]

i still get stutters on 1.2.0.6 but its rare

[smoky flame]

I don't think I've even noticed any fTPM stuttering but it seems to be a big enough issue for AMD to release an AGESA update for it so hopefully for those who know they are affected by it get their problem fixed and Windows 11 is another step closer to being a recommended install

[ruby heath]

Yea supposedly version 1.2.0.7 fixes it but its still labeled as a beta version so im waiting for it to be an official final version before i download.

[smoky flame]

same here. I don't install beta versions of BIOS. Will patiently wait but been hearing more about what people thought was a bug with EDC >140A in recent BIOS updates capping the vcore but it may not be a bug at this point

[brazen gorge]

Can anyone tell me if this build works

[ruby heath]

Yes but idk if ypu would be able to mount that AIO on top in that case.

Happened to me once where there wasnt enough space ontop of a case i bought once 💀 it hit the motherboard

[smoky flame]

I'm not too sure on the power supply, NVMe SSD and RAM also I'd check out the price of the 6800 XT if any are in stock. Competitor to the 3080.
With the power supply it is arguably the most important component in the system and one to take some care with. Be sure all is good with it.
The NVMe SSD you picked I believe is DRAMless (or maybe its another one of Samsung's NVMe SSDs I'm thinking of) and that means it will use the RAM on your system as a cache which will result in reduced performance. I'd check out Western Digital's SN850 or Seagate's FireCuda 530.
Finally, Zen 3's sweet spot appears to be 3600MHz and CL16 kits so if you can I'd be on the look out for them.

[brazen gorge]

I greatly appreciate the advice, would you mind if I copy this to my notes?

[brazen gorge]

Do you know of any websites where I can match the compatibility of parts?

[latent gate]

@smoky flameI have swapped my monitor positions

my bigger auxiliary monitor I use for my consoles doesn't quite fit on the lower level of this small letter-desk

behold

[brazen gorge]

Since I can’t afford to build the pc I want rn should I spend money on a series x?

[latent gate]

the precarious teetering

who needs to see the whole screen for discord anyway

[brazen gorge]

What would you do in my predicament?

[latent gate]

not ping me

[brazen gorge]

I didn’t ping you tho

[smoky flame]

pcpartpicker is a good site and may even help you find some components cheaper

[latent gate]

disable the pings in replies

[brazen gorge]

Hey did this ping you?

[ruby heath]

I do the same thing with discord 😬 except i use my 1080p screen for playing and my 1440 as a second monitor cus i dont like how the colors look in fps games it feels weird

[brazen gorge]

God I thought I did that already

[smoky flame]

yep, it did and the other messages lol

[latent gate]

other than that

[ruby heath]

Yea PCpartpicker is a good website

[latent gate]

I don't know

I haven't read the entire situation as I'm currently sitting within Ranked on Infinite

you're likely better off listing the parts in a single message instead of multiple images

or using PCPartpicker and linking the list

that'll be the best option for build compatibility

[brazen gorge]

Thank you

[latent gate]

make sure you don't forget other ingredients

[brazen gorge]

But I had asked if I should put off my build for longer or just wimp out and get a series x

[latent gate]

if it's a fresh build you need thermal paste, cables, headers, peripherals, and monitors

you made sure that H100i cooler was the AM4 model, right?

not the intel one?

[brazen gorge]

I was gonna gave geek squad help me Build it lol I work at Best Buy

[latent gate]

Geek Squad

[smoky flame]

btw I still only run the one monitor, Dark. Thought so much about adding a second but idk. Would be nice to be able to browse the web or check Discord while gaming without alt + tabbing through multiple windows I guess

[latent gate]

https://tenor.com/view/hide-the-pain-harold-harold-laugh-confused-gif-21810289

[brazen gorge]

And no I need a lot more education

[latent gate]

ACTUALLY

HOLD ON

[brazen gorge]

What’s wrong with geek squad

[latent gate]

the same thing wrong with the apple genius bar @surreal moss

Linus JUST dropped his year long project he'd been working on the other week

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL4DCEp7blY

bookmark it

watch it

go along with it

[brazen gorge]

Most of those guys built all their own pcs and are A+ Certified

[latent gate]

building PC is very very easy

now tell me

what is "A+ Certified" in a practical application

[brazen gorge]

Idk

[latent gate]

exactly

[brazen gorge]

That’s just what they said they all had

[latent gate]

EXACTLY

😂

just watch that vid and you'll be a-ok on your own

[brazen gorge]

Ey man they’re pretty good at least at my location

[latent gate]

building PC are basically just legos with wires

plus it's good to get the knowledge to do stuff yourself

that vid above will be all you need

covers EVERY aspect

[smoky flame]

and requires a screwdriver. Very expensive adult Legos lol

[latent gate]

from picking parts, to checking list

to building the system and setting it up

linus has spent the last year making that vid with his team

it's future proofed to not mention specific products too

so it'll always be relevant

🤲

[brazen gorge]

How many of you guys have pcs?

[latent gate]

my frankenmonster

2 servers

[ruby heath]

You can always get a cheap one to use as a second

[latent gate]

scrap components

yeah but yours is a curved ultrawide Sub

makes it hard to have multiple that aren't mounted above in the same config

[smoky flame]

Built one, upgraded it once since 2016. Before that no prior experience with PC but it wasn't too bad. Follow the manuals and you really shouldn't have any trouble

[brazen gorge]

Idk it just seems like a lot to learn

[ruby heath]

Whatever you do not watch THE VERGE pc build 😂

[latent gate]

hold on. I've got some fun pics

[latent gate]

but they're A+ certified as well

😂

jokes aside

[ruby heath]

That video became a meme cus they were doing so many things wrong 💀

[brazen gorge]

Apparently it’s an IT certificate

What does that have to do with building pcs

[latent gate]

nothing

[smoky flame]

isn't ultrawide. Still running with the 2020 Samsung Odyssey G7. Though I am trying to move to my LG C1 but that is taking longer than I'd like it to...

[brazen gorge]

Should I just get a series x for now?

[latent gate]

the only certificate I'd acknowledge is a CNC or CCNA

hmmmmm. I'd say yes just for budget

new GPU are dropping this year, along with AMD Zen4 processors

expect current gen component prices to decrease next year

[brazen gorge]

I really want to treat myself with something new for my graduation

But idk yet

[smoky flame]

I don't know if the advice also applies to new buyers but I'd be very cautious buying into AMD's Zen 4. Whole new platform, DDR5 (only) support and likely to be AMD's most expensive CPUs yet (besides their Threadripper and EPYC lines). Usually it is best to skip a generation or two when a new platform comes around. Allows hardware to mature and improve some and software time to improve amongst other things

as things stand AM4 is now considered to be at a dead end

Also, one change I just thought of with your system, TUNA. Change the 5800X for a 5700X. If you do go through with buying now the 5700X is cheaper and will perform very close to the 5800X making it very difficult to recommend a 5800X to anyone at this point imo

[latent gate]

don't get the new chips off launch

AM5 socket will be fresh off line and rife with issues as all new socket launches are

[brazen gorge]

Thanks for the advice man

Do you mind if I copy that to my notes?

Also how do I disable pings?

[smoky flame]

copy away. Back in 2016 I was just like this. Taking so many notes and stuff. It can be a little overwhelming at first figuring out what to buy etc. I remember crying happy tears after successfully building my computer and having it boot up ready to install windows on for the first time. Felt like it was an achievement. That day was such a happy day, that's for sure 😄

[brazen gorge]

Man I’m struggling to get it together man finances are the first thing

@Off

[keen bloom]

If the rx 7900xt ends up being a good gpu on launch i am buying it

My pc budget will be around $3500-$6000 depending on if next gen gpus will be scalped which it most likely will

[smoky flame]

usually I wouldn't recommend going for the halo tier product but this time it may be different if A. you can afford it and B. it is a chiplet GPU while the rest up to and including the 7800 XT happen to be monolithic die

[devout remnant]

Halo Tier only tier I’m interested in 😄

Although I agree, the price to performance is usually the worst.

[brazen gorge]

I got approve for a budget of $1500 for a gaming laptop

[ruby heath]

you can probably get something with a 3070 in it for that

[brazen gorge]

Yeah I was looking at different things

I can’t decide between an Intel or a ryzen for my processor

[ruby heath]

maybe whichever is cheaper at the time

[brazen gorge]

Well I work at Best Buy so I’ll be paying relative to the cost of the item

[brazen gorge]

Would you say reviews are important?

[ruby heath]

well yea

[brazen gorge]

I don’t wanna buy anything with less than 4/5

[ruby heath]

when you do decide on something you should watch some benchmark videos on it

[brazen gorge]

Benchmark videos?

[ruby heath]

yea just so you can see how it performs compared maybe to other ones you are interested in

[brazen gorge]

Performs in what way?

[ruby heath]

nevermind

[warped apex]

what monitor should l get for my series x and my pc nitro 5 below 200 dollars pls

[ruby heath]

probably a 144hz IPS monitor since IPS have better screen accuracy with colors and what not

[devout remnant]

I got NanoIPS & can confirm amazing colours !

[ruby heath]

i currently have a monitor with a TN panel i want to get a IPS one

[devout remnant]

Massive upgrade !

[ruby heath]

yea, before i used to just look at the refresh rate label. Next monitor i get is for sure going to be IPS

[full flint]

so i have installed sea of thieves from the xbox app on windows. it worked but then it just disapeared and now i can reinstall. when i do it just dissapears? i have the original windows apps files where it was installed but when i try to move them back into the directory it says i do not have permissions

[full flint]

\

[obsidian bobcat]

spam (noun)
irrelevant or inappropriate messages sent on the internet to a large number of recipients.

[keen bloom]

My monitor is a oled pannel

[ruby heath]

which is better oled or isp

[smoky flame]

there is no contest. OLED wins but it is also the most premium in monitor and TV panels so expect to pay a fair bit more than you would for any IPS LED/QLED display. Mini-LED is its closest competitor and has a similar cost to OLED

[keen bloom]

I spent $1200 for my monitor and it was on special

[latent gate]

only between those two does it win

QD-OLED is best current tech

but it's brand new

[smoky flame]

yeah, I forgot to add QD-OLED in there lol but for sure. Best display tech available right now and comes with a premium to match (if looking at the Samsung QD-OLED TV). Only tech upcoming that may rival QD-OLED is microLED but from what I understand that may be for larger screens and 8K rather than 4K which makes sense but as such the cost for one will be extremely high

[latent gate]

miniLED

it's decent as well

but mini and Micro are just size parameters

OLED can be developed to the same "size"

but that tech's a bit far off

[smoky flame]

isn't microLED also modular? iirc I seen some tech demos where two or more smaller microLED displays could sync seamlessly together and become one much larger display

[devout remnant]

MicroLED is like OLED, and Samsung did develop modular versions but that’s because you can have insane, giant screens.

MicroLED has all benefits of OLED, plus better brightness without the disadvantages.

[devout remnant]

It’s not the most premium tbh, it’s one of the best, however they currently max out at 120/144/175.

Still not as fast as the 240/360 panels and also 480/500 is coming soon.

So if you’re highly competitive/esports gamer, there are other panels which are better suited.

Plus the size too, waiting on a 27” Flat OLED that pushes past 120hz.

[smoky flame]

480Hz monitors will be crazy.
Also I think if I didn't already have an LG C1 I would be holding out for a 32" flat 4K OLED monitor with at least 120Hz but tbh other than the 48" on my C1 that pretty much covers all bases. Supports Freesync, Gsync and the generic VRR too. Only thing the C1 lacks is support for Nvidia's Gsync ultimate and AMD's Freesync Premium Pro tiers that would allow for low latency gaming while using HDR. If that was paired with Windows 10/11 being able to properly support Dolby Vision that would have been the near ultimate display, at least before the QD-OLEDs showed up...

[devout remnant]

Well there’s two OLEDs coming in 27 & 32”

However the 32” is 8K 144Hz so probably will be £10,000 or so 😂

[smoky flame]

what?! 8K 144Hz

[devout remnant]

Yeah

[smoky flame]

does HDMI 2.1 even support that or is this marked as the first DP 2.0 monitor? wow

[floral quail]

hello guys, so I have a question related to my keyboard, so when I press the i key, sometimes it registers 2 'i's like for example I wrote hi then it'll go 'hiii' (it did that again so its 3 'i's now) it started a WHILE ago, but it became so iinfrequent that I forgot about it, and now its back agaiin

none of the double 'i's is intentional other than the given example

[full flint]

You try cleaning under that key?

[floral quail]

how do I do that?

[ruby spear]

Take it off

[full flint]

Yeah you should look up how to do that and follow a tutorial video or something. It’d go better than me trying to explain it over text

[floral quail]

and apparently its not possible for my keyboard I think, well its a razer blackwidow elite

[full flint]

https://youtu.be/2d03P1VutsE

[floral quail]

ight, even though ive cleaned the kb like this recently, ill just focus on the area near the I key

[devout remnant]

Probably DP 2.0

[keen bloom]

What cpu should i get when the rx 7900xt comes out

Budget is how much it will take to build the pc even if i have to pay scalper prices for the gpu

[ruby heath]

damn how many frames do you need

[keen bloom]

4k ultra

[ruby heath]

how much are you going to spend, cus that GPU will 100% be crazy expensive

[keen bloom]

As much as it takes

I would probably like to spend $4000 AUD for the pc but if i have to pay more i will

[ruby heath]

i would imagine retail price on those cards will pretty high with the specs they are talking about. Imagine how crazy it will be with scalpers

[keen bloom]

If i have to spend $8k i will

[ruby heath]

damn thats just wild

[boreal maple]

Bloons td 6 multiplayer code: SMMWLF

[last remnant]

Gosh now I got stuck thinking, should I wait for 3060 to be available here for a good price or should I try to save for a 3050ti?

[keen bloom]

You could save up for a 4060 card that could come out at the end of this year/start of next year

[last remnant]

Well the price would probably still be a lot, I don't even need a 3060 in reality

[tulip rampart]

might be smarter to pick RX6600

It's a good middle card between 3050 and 3060

Preforms better then 3060 in alot of cases but lacks DLSS so makes it worse for higher resolution displays

[last remnant]

Well I want to stick to Nvidia for a few reasons, but will keep in mind

[tulip rampart]

completely fair, just understand that the 3050 isnt exactly great $/frame

its a solid card and everything, if you're not a heavy gamer it should be more then enough but the value proposition isnt super

and suggesting older cards is hard since they're impossible to find

[sleek agate]

I'd get the 3060, more getting in stock each day. 🙂

I love mine ❤️

[last remnant]

Yeah 3500ti is like $350 here rn, but yeah I'm waiting for more availability on 3060 for lower price

[sleek agate]

I thought a 3050ti was a laptop GPU 🤔

I did a quick Google search and it shows laptop benchmarks. 😄

[last remnant]

Oh yeah mild mix up, meant to have the 3060ti and regular 3050, thanks for pointing out

[smoky flame]

https://www.techpowerup.com/294460

also, new specs of RDNA 3 may have emerged. Not quite as overkill as I was getting hyped up about but still over 2x the stream processors the 6900 XT/Navi 21 has (5120) at the top end (Navi 31) https://www.techpowerup.com/294446

even doing the math for teraflops using the current boost clock on the 6900 XT (2250MHz - likely to be clocked higher than that just using as an example) multiplied by stream processors (12288) then multiply that by two I come to just shy of 55.3 teraflops. For comparison the 6900 XT has 23.04 teraflops so the 7900 XT could still be a beast. Just not a near 100 teraflop monster lol. Getting there though! 😄

[devout remnant]

The new CPUs

13900K or whatever AMD calls theirs

[devout remnant]

All. The. Frames. 🖼

[devout remnant]

You probably will have to 😄

GPU’s will instantly get scalped for months and months

[smoky flame]

I'd go for whatever CPU offers the best performance at the lowest price. Don't always have to spend the most to get the best

[devout remnant]

Well, you kinda do,
Price to performance is different to buying the best.

[smoky flame]

yeah but for gaming at 4K which I believe Midi is doing or going to there may not be a whole lot in it in a lot of games with the GPU likely making the bigger difference

I haven't checked how Zen 3 vs Alder Lake CPUs do against each other at 4K but I do remember in the past 4K nearly wiped out any advantage Intel usually had at the lower resolutions (1080p and 1440p)

[devout remnant]

CPU has to feed the GPU.
If you’re getting a 7900XT or equivalent, then, don’t cheap out on any components.

[devout remnant]

Again,
It’s going to be next Gen CPUs by then.

Pointless comparing now.

Unless you need a build right now looking to upgrade.

[smoky flame]

the same thing still applies imo. Personally if I can get close to the same performance as the top end CPU or GPU but a tier or two less while saving some money that is what I'd do. The same then goes for comparing rival offerings and in the event performance is marginal I'd still pick the cheaper.
Pretty much what I did with the 6800 XT. First, compared it to the 6900 XT in both performance and value. Deemed the performance not to be enough to pay the extra then looked at the 6800 XT vs 3080. Performance almost identical while just like the 6900 XT pricing was just too high to justify the extra cost.

saved at least £200 opting for the 6800 XT over the 6900 XT and I believe it was £600 6800 XT vs 3080 - this while GPU pricing was horrible

up to others how they pick, just felt like it was a good idea to share how I'd pick a CPU and GPU and will be going forward. If it saves me some money that can either go elsewhere in the system or set aside for other stuff

[devout remnant]

That’s exactly what price to performance is

Compared with buying the best, which, in computing/gaming will usually cost the most.

For example my next motherboard will probably cost £2,000-£3,000

Will it be that much more superior to a £500 one?

No it won’t, however it’s the “best” so will be the most expensive.

Also, what you describe, is just one side of the higher price,
It’s not just about one GPU getting X frames another getting X frames.

There’s multiple factors.

[smoky flame]

ehh idk, I just feel spending excessive amounts of money for what may be marginally better performance just isn't worth it. If I'm still getting a very powerful GPU or CPU out of if I'm not complaining. It's not likely these days to see games prioritizing say Ryzen 9 and i9 CPUs with exclusive features like was the case some years ago apparently where owners of i7 CPUs were given little extras in some games and the same for GPUs. Feature set is the same at the top as it is the tier just below. Only major difference being the top end chip is often fully unlocked vs the one just below it. Idk what else to say on it

[full flint]

I say to hell with upgrading just going use till cant run my games well

Then get new pc

[ruby heath]

probably the best way to go about it if your current pc runs games fine

[full flint]

my bad

[keen bloom]

My goal is to play AAA games at 4K ultra/max settings and prepare for UE5 games

[full flint]

My goal play esports titled at 160 plus fps

[full flint]

https://youtu.be/GdDSp4n30ms watch dogs 2 on pc but going crazy

[sleek agate]

Anyone heard of 'ghost spectre' ??

[fiery grail]

hi

[violet zenith]

That’s an ip grab

YouTube.be 💀

@full flint some one ban that mf

[sullen trellis]

That's regular shortened YouTube Link. When you use YouTube's own share function the links look like that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQcKDWxf0jg converts to https://youtu.be/LQcKDWxf0jg for example if you use the share function.
Nothing suspicious about that.

[latent gate]

Someone's clearly never used youtube

for example: https://youtu.be/GdDSp4n30ms

the exact link

however, @full flint we don't allow self-promotion in the server.

[latent gate]

@smoky flame

https://tenor.com/view/wazowski-mike-mike-sulivan-meme-monster-inc-gif-19634164

[smoky flame]

impressive but LN2 overclocks are hardly going to be reflective on the actual users. These professional overclocks still annoy me at times because of that. Maybe some day the average user CAN make use of LN2 on their system without having to have a team of people or what resembles a lab setting behind them

[latent gate]

obviously

[smoky flame]

btw, doesn't DDR5 come with "better overclocking capabilities" anyway? Gives hope that someone that buys a 4800MHz kit may be able to OC it over time as the supported speeds get faster on future hardware

[latent gate]

yes

it also has onboard ECC

it's harder to adjust the voltage for DDR5 though

due to the power controller being on-chip instead of on the motherboard

[smoky flame]

oh yeah, I heard about that. If anything I thought that might have been a good thing for DDR5 but sounds like it backfired somewhat?

[latent gate]

not really

ECC memory is a godsend

memory voltage overclocking is extremely dangerous anyway

[smoky flame]

I tried overclocking my ram and really didn't want to touch the voltage. Easily the worst component to OC imo.
Best tip I could give to anyone. Just buy the best XMP RAM kit you can buy and make sure the timings are as low as they can go too. Stack both those together and it will be very expensive RAM but worth it or in the case of Zen 3 could just go 3600-4000MHz as AMD suggest and get the fastest timings for those kits

[latent gate]

stock memory is pretty darn good now anyway

not like DDR2/DDR3

same with GPU

they have really good natural boosts

[smoky flame]

stock memory as in the JEDEC timing stuff?

[sleek agate]

Steam summer sale isn't until late June, not sure if I can wait that long 🤣

[full flint]

no it aint tf

[full flint]

my bad

[round dawn]

a cpu is just a rock that is tricked into thinking

[latent gate]

it's technically sand

[full flint]

We tricked rocks/sand to join us in the curse of thought

[somber fiber]

Does anyone have steam?

[sleek agate]

Sure.

[somber fiber]

Team fortress 2?

[obsidian bobcat]

If you're looking for someone to play with, please go to #587074461770186765

[errant sorrel]

I too read reddit today

[sleek agate]

Was finally able to downgrade my GPU driver! Stupid Nvidia!!!

[smoky flame]

now make sure that undervolt you seem to have applied is stable and enjoy a cooler running GPU with almost all of the performance at stock while also using less power

[devout remnant]

That’s the opposite of my goals 😄✨

[smoky flame]

tbh I just stick to stock. Minimal issues etc that way. OC can be unstable either through applying too much or some games just being awkward with overclocked hardware. On the other hand undervolting can be similar. Attempt to undervolt too much and you crash or just like an OC, some games may not play nice with an undervolt either. Might not be ideal but stock is the way the likes of Intel, Nvidia and AMD intended the hardware to be used (at least out of the box) everything else is experimental.
Even at stock I've never seen my GPU pass 76C (current temperature) and all that on a triple fan GPU (6800 XT Red Devil) that comes factory overclocked

[devout remnant]

Never had an issue with OC, I just stress test when doing so & make sure it’s fully stable.

[sleek agate]

I tested with Uniheaven, it's stable enough. and IT does not get as hot as before. I turned the fan down from 100% to 80% and turned my cpu/other fans to silent. I just really need to upgrade this CPU/cooler now. I think it's bottlenecking. When I was clocked at 4.2ghz (not stable) I was hitting 144fps FPS with Vanguard (without DLSS) but it would crash halfway through a game 😄 it was rather hot too. this cooler isn't good. I really don't know if I should just upgrade the cooler and try to overclock or fully upgrade to 5.x

[smoky flame]

I'd leave the CPU run at stock. With Ryzen CPUs (especially the Zen 3, not sure about Zen+) they are close to their limits and according to many other people's attempts at manually overclocking their CPU for better results it is either worse or pretty much identical to the stock results while using more voltage and/or power than necessary. The 5600 will be quite an improvement over the 2600X you have in pretty much every area. I'd still buy a better cooler than the one you get out of the box as that will just help get a little more out of it

[viral crest]

Got a new keeb @smoky flame I had Amazon credit so got a Keychron C2

Oh and caps 😋

Got the Gateron brown switches

[last remnant]

looks awesome

[viral crest]

Thanks!

[smoky flame]

very nice!

[sleek agate]

Now this looks amazing!

[viral crest]

Haha thank you. 😆

[pulsar zinc]

If I bought forza 5 on steam is there a way to put it in the Xbox library on pc without buying it again?

[autumn sluice]

No

[tawny gorge]

@dusty vector can you help me?

[viral crest]

What do you need? @tawny gorge

[dusty vector]

No

[eager wasp]

I have Game Pass Ultimate for PC. I play primarily on PC, but I was wondering, how do I share my Xbox live gold subscription on PC for my alt. account like I can on XBSX? I'm trying to figure it out, but can't seem to do it. I'm getting a gaming laptop soon and I'm trying to figure it out on my main rig before it comes. Is it possible to do it on a PC like XBSX? If it helps, my Xbox is an Xbox series X
https://support.xbox.com/en-US/help/subscriptions-billing/manage-subscriptions/share-xbox-live-gold-subscription

[viral crest]

Gold is not required for PC. ;) @eager wasp

[bitter crypt]

should i get the power a controller

[bronze raft]

those are the wired ones right?

[surreal moss]

Whichever one is comfortable for you

[bitter crypt]

yeah

[bitter crypt]

ive got no idea which one

i could also get the pdp wired one for 14 dollars more aud

[bronze raft]

do you prefer wired over wireless? I'm guessing its for use on pc?

[bitter crypt]

wired is fine but yeah its for pc

[bronze raft]

It should work fine for PC 😄 I double checked online for you

The power a colours look really cute I like the pastel ones

[bitter crypt]

yeah but should i get that one or a different one?

i have no idea what to do

[bronze raft]

Depends on how much money you want to spend and if they are comfortable for you, I don't have a power a but a wireless first party xbox series s. power a are cheaper

[bitter crypt]

is there any better for roughly the same price as power a?

i did see this https://www.bigw.com.au/product/pdp-xbox-afterglow-wired-controller/p/149385?store=261

[bronze raft]

Not sure power a might be better, since you can buy it straight from Microsoft store online. It's really up to you 😅

I don't really like the cheap ones you can buy from our stores. (I'm Australian too 🙂 )

[bitter crypt]

oh nice and yeah true

[viral crest]

PowerA is a pretty good brand you can trust.

[cedar smelt]

Power A are better than PDP, IMO.

[viral crest]

They new ones look amazing

[full flint]

if i mod skyrim or fo4 through in-game bethesda mod menu, where will i download mods? game folder or what?

[eager wasp]

I know that. I'm referring to gamepass ultimate for PC. I want to stream games on both my accounts

On XBSX, you can have 9 other accounts under one family gold plan.

[sleek agate]

You can set your store as one account, then play on Xbox app with another account. you'll get a 'warning' saying to change it, dismiss it. You can only play Xbox games though, no EA play/ubisoft.

[eager wasp]

I tried that. It's still saying that I need to purchase gamepass for my alt account.

[sleek agate]

You sure you're signed in to the MS store? Because I do the same. Use an account with ultimate on the store and play with an account that has nothing on the Xbox app.

[eager wasp]

Yes. I also saved my alt account as part of my "family"

[sleek agate]

Saving as 'family' won't do anything, unfortunately.

[eager wasp]

So, am I out of options?

[sleek agate]

Well, you could contact MS and ask them because I know it does work. I wanted the exact same as you and MS support suggested what I said.

[eager wasp]

Okay. I'll start a chat with them...This sux lol

[sleek agate]

Yeah wish we had a share like Xbox has. 😦

[eager wasp]

What does that mean?

[sleek agate]

You can set 'home' on Xbox, wish PC had it too.

[eager wasp]

Oh. Didn't know that lol. I'll post with an update when I get one.

[viral crest]

There isn't a family plan for Xbox. That's just for parental controls :)

The only thing the Home Console does is make it so you can share the GPU with anyone who uses that console. Nothing like that for PC exists unfortunately. I have successfully played Flight Simulator with my husband's account after installing it with mine on his laptop though. That was over a year ago. @eager wasp

[sleek agate]

Much better than what it was ❤️ more or less getting 144fps.

[sleek agate]

Getting around 120/144fps with Vanguard too. And I'm not overclocked on my CPU which I thought helped before.

[viral crest]

Nice

[smoky flame]

how is the GPU temperature if you leave GPU fans at stock? I believe you said you increased GPU fan speed to 100% then 80% more recently. Both of which would be pretty loud. My GPU is definitely loud when I tried a 1:1 type fan curve (definitely don't recommend unless you want the sound of a jet taking off in your room...). Played FH5 and temperature was about 60C (so 60% fan speed)

stock fan curve with fan stop the temperature went back up to around 70C but was much quieter. So only a 10C increase for a quieter running system while still being completely stock

[sleek agate]

It's actually not that loud. My 580 sounded like a jet but this doesn't.

Temp is climbing after setting to auto.

40c so far.

42c...

[smoky flame]

it will climb but since you undervolted it shouldn't get that high. Should be an improvement over completely stock operating (no undervolt) will probably reach a similar temperature depending on the model you bought

[sleek agate]

hmm idle at 45c. on the latest driver it was 55+

Yeah it's 50c now

[smoky flame]

my GPU is around 45C idle. No fan noise

[sleek agate]

55c now

It's the Ventus x2 from MSI

[smoky flame]

try the default fan curve in a game with your undervolt. Will be curious to see how it does

[sleek agate]

58c idle 🤣

59c now... like wth

[smoky flame]

sure you are completely idle? something got that GPU working

[sleek agate]

Definitely idle.

Have spotify running... lol

61c now 62c

[smoky flame]

spotify with hardware acceleration might give the GPU a small load to think about

[sleek agate]

Vanguard is quite demanding, let me try that.

It's going down in temp...

[smoky flame]

the undervolt should keep temperatures lower than completely stock. If it isn't doing that something isn't right. Completely stock I'd expect anything between 70-90C on most GPUs. Undervolted. 50-75C. Room ambient temperature can also play a part

[sleek agate]

Idk how to undervolt without changing the core clock...

[smoky flame]

hmm pretty sure the Nvidia/MSI Afterburner undervolt you have no choice but to alter the clock speeds while undervolting and tbh that is probably the correct way to go with undervolting. Not sure how much of an undervolt you could get if you tried to stick to stock clocks but since some GPUs come factory overclocked it could be even less

[sleek agate]

63 with the Heaven Benchmark

[smoky flame]

have you tried unigine's most recent benchmark? superposition

[bitter crypt]

is there any alternative to buying a normal xbox controller

[ruby spear]

What do you mean exactly? Are you asking if you can use a non-Xbox controller on PC?

[bitter crypt]

like a cheaper option

[ruby spear]

Yes, there's loads of bluetooth controllers available.

Or USB controllers.

[spiral lagoon]

Does anyone know how to get rid of double cursor in Microsoft edge?

[bitter crypt]

alright what’s a good one

[ruby spear]

Look up 8bitdo

[bitter crypt]

there’s quite a few different one which one are you talking about

[ruby spear]

Whichever one you like that will work with your PC. There's differently styles and layouts, so that's a personal preference thing.

Also which ones fit your budget.

[spiral lagoon]

Bruh

Nvm, got it myself y’all 🙄🙄🙄

[viral crest]

Your card prob doesn't run the fans when it's not running a program, as well. Which may increase idle temp if you don't have great airflow in your case. :) Mine idles between 39-45C, at least in the winter. Basement is pretty cool. 👍

[bitter crypt]

is this good https://www.amazon.com.au/gp/product/B08FCWYCYM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_image_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 @ruby spear

[ruby spear]

Look at the reviews

[obsidian bobcat]

#rules 🔕 6. Do not @mention or direct message admins or mods. For moderation needs, please DM the ModMail bot with your issue. For support, please use #233805809346150400, but note that it is not official support, but support provided by other users like yourself.

[viral crest]

Should be fine. :)

[bitter crypt]

thanks i bought it last night and i meant to refund it and it already shipped so im glad

[viral crest]

Amazon is good if there is an issue too.

[bitter crypt]

refund or warranity?

[viral crest]

Like returns and stuff. Warranty would be up to PDP

But the reviews for the controller look pretty good anyway.

[bitter crypt]

its 15 dollars return so i would get 23 back so for a month 15 dollars isnt terrible

[bitter crypt]

yeah it seems to be just how it breaks but it does have warranity so

[viral crest]

I've never had a controller break. Not yet. 😅

Man. Dark is typing a novel.👀

[bitter crypt]

are your controllers normal ones

[viral crest]

Yea. Microsoft brand.

One of them is like 7 years old

It's starting to drift a bit and the buttons are slow but it still works! 😆

[bitter crypt]

nice mine broke after like a year but was second hand and i did drop it a bit

[viral crest]

Yea gotta be careful! :)

[full flint]

hello guys. I like to play a lot rpgs where text and dialogue interactions are really important in game story and gameplay itself. I prepared a list of this kind of games i played/know, and would like to know if there are more options i don't know/remember:

isometric (baldur's gate, neverwinter nights, pillars of eternity, divinity)
bioware (mass effect, dragon age)
cdpr (cyberpunk, the witcher)
bethesda (fallout, elder scrolls, probably starfield?)
disco elysium

are there more like this?

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Did you play either the old Planescape Torment or the somewhat spiritual successor Torment: Tides of Numenera?

[formal raptor]

yo when i try to launch a game on the xbox app it gives me this error code

C:\Program Files\WindowsApps\UnknownWorldsEntertainmen.GAMEPREVIEWSubnautica_... X
Size
C:\ProgramFiles\WindowsApps\UnknownWorldsEntertainmen.GAMEPREVIEW...GameLaunchHelper.exe

File system error (-2015291336).

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Anyone else find the Xbox app downloading games is very slow?

[devout remnant]

Depends on the game.

I was getting decent speeds off this one

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I can't go past 50MB/s

[devout remnant]

What’s your internet speed?

[sleek agate]

I've tried every tweak that's mentioned and nothing is helping. and 1gbps from Virgin.

[devout remnant]

Do a Speedtest on

Speedtest.net

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Okalo

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Yeah it maxes out.

[devout remnant]

What speed?

[sleek agate]

It maxes my 1gbps...

[devout remnant]

So 940?

[sleek agate]

Around that yeah

[devout remnant]

Try downloading the game I showed

[smoky flame]

are you downloading via wifi or ethernet?

really hope Virgin Media launch the Hub 5 to others soon. Want to get my hands on one so I can make use of AX wifi which should hopefully see me be able to make better use of my gigabit package too. Failing that also been pretty tempted to find a good value wifi 6/AX router and just use that instead but that likely means spending around £200 so I'm holding off as long as I can

[devout remnant]

AX Wi-Fi is good but doesn’t do much for long distance

Close by my speeds went up 50%

But further away, it’s kind the same as the Hub4, with a marginal increase.

I suspect a 3rd party router would do much better.

[smoky flame]

yeah, I've been thinking the same but heard a lot of good things about the Hub 5 so wanted to give the ISP's kit a run before going 3rd party since it's free of charge and I know the 3rd party router will likely be better and that the Hub 4 (and 5 whenever I get it) will likely not be touched after that. Beyond putting it to modem mode for the 3rd party router to work

[devout remnant]

Only real difference was that I can get full speed out of my gigabit connection

And be ready to upgrade to 2/2.5Gb when it launches

Wi-Fi experience, apart from the close by boost in speed, is virtually the same.

[smoky flame]

any word on when that 2gig package will launch or like the Hub 5 is it going to be select users/roll out for a while?

[devout remnant]

Hub 5 is expected to launch July - September for everyone.

2Gb should be similar / same time but very limited at first and then gradually rolled out

2.5Gb has been in testing for a while now.

Upload speed has been tested at 100Mb and 200Mb.

[smoky flame]

ooh cool. ty for this info. Not too much longer to wait then. By September that will be very close to one year I been with Virgin Media and iirc their contract length is 18 months so I could either see out the last 6 months or look at upgrading early if both the Hub 5 and 2gig package becomes available around then but I can imagine that package will cost quite at bit - at least £100/month going by current 1gig pricing of £62/month

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Ethernet, I wouldn't be moaning if it was WiFi lol

[devout remnant]

No worries, I’m sure the Summer target will be achieved by them, just depends how they offer it, I’m sure everyone on Gig1 will be eligible.

It will be expensive at launch, but I’d say around £90. Don’t think they’d want to break £100 mark.

Also, Gig1 launched at £62 but I currently have it for £36 a month.

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@devout remnant https://www.speedtest.net/result/13133678534.png

[devout remnant]

Yeah seems about right

Did you try downloading the game I did?

[sleek agate]

Doing it now, was waiting for GTA to download 🙂

[devout remnant]

Cool

Lemme know what you get for it 👍

[smoky flame]

Here's what I get (and I'm on wifi) https://www.speedtest.net/result/13133682482.png

[sleek agate]

50MB/s like the other downloads. this is doing my head in 😄

[smoky flame]

50MB/s is approximately 400mbps

[sleek agate]

Yep

[modest gulch]

...and both of those screenshots are in Mbps.

Megabits rather than MegaBytes.

[smoky flame]

try over wifi and see if your speeds are any faster

[sleek agate]

Good thinking Batman! I should have though of that. 😄

30MB/s

[smoky flame]

I read about an odd issue with Intel ethernet ports on AMD motherboards recently that may be impacting speeds and performance of ethernet. Backed up by a friend on another server that couldn't get their Intel ethernet port to go past 10 Mbps even while being set to 1 Gb full duplex within the networking settings. Changing to wifi fixed that for them though they weren't getting full speeds they were paying for, it was still a huge improvement over 10 Mbps

[sleek agate]

Yeah it's crap on wifi and ethernet.

Like Epic and battle.net can easily get over 100MB/s

[smoky flame]

might just be the demand on other launchers. I often see the Xbox app showing a slower download than other launchers but not quite as drastic as half the speed. Highest peak speed any launcher has reported to me that tracks it while downloading was 75MB/s on Ubisoft Connect

[devout remnant]

Xbox App is known to be bad, however, a hard cap of 50 is something going on.

[sleek agate]

60MB/s is the highest it goes

[devout remnant]

I’ve done 144MB on Steam

[sleek agate]

Yeah steam is fast

[devout remnant]

We can test tomorrow same time if you want

I’ll be able to any time, just let me know what’s best for you

Can see what’s happening

[smoky flame]

downloading the same game to see if it does the same for me, even given it 1GB or so to warm up and yeah. Can see similar speeds 50MB/s with the occasional peak to around 54MB/s

might download this game anyway. Been a while since I played it. Not sure if I have seen how it runs on my 6800 XT. Lat time I played it might have been when I had a 5700 XT

[devout remnant]

Interesting

I’ll check again tomorrow

[smoky flame]

also, ooh a tennis game coming to the game pass soon. I haven't played a tennis game since Virtua Tennis was a thing on PSP. Been at least 10 years!