#pc-gaming | XBOX | Page 51

full flint Oct 1, 2019, 1:34 PM

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WD are the worst rated

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they replaced Seagate in that regard

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you're British so you might not know but it's an American company @full flint

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it's a well known company when it comes to storage

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I know of kingston and hyper x too

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ah

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they they make good stuff, it's dank

smoky flame Oct 1, 2019, 1:35 PM

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to answer the earlier question, my brother's PC uses a wifi card and it is terrible. Luckily to get a third of the broadband speed that's available and no, there isn't really the option to hook it up to ethernet (both his and my PCs are upstairs)

full flint Oct 1, 2019, 1:35 PM

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But I thought they were bad like the a400

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no lol Kingston is one of the good companies

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Or was that the ssd now

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they don't make terrible products, sometimes bit overpriced but it' good

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@smoky flame is it a cheap wifi card

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kingston's mid-grade

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I have a samsung 860 EVO in my PC...

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Micron (crucial) are the highest rated for reliability, but are slightly slower than something cutting edge like Samsung SSD

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oh no that's top-grade SSD

smoky flame Oct 1, 2019, 1:37 PM

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yeah, my bro went and bought a prebuilt PC a couple years back. Told him to wait but nope

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I would have built him something better than he got

full flint Oct 1, 2019, 1:38 PM

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to be honest now that i think about it i've never used a Netbook that didn't have a Western Digital HDD

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honestly sounds like the antennae need to be replaced

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From where? PC specialist? Or elsewhere?

smoky flame Oct 1, 2019, 1:38 PM

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Scan

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think it was their value series. Can't remember now tbh

full flint Oct 1, 2019, 1:38 PM

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Oh scan are pretty good but their components are expensive

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@full flint i'm not sure where that came from since Western Digital is one of the most known companies when it comes to electronic storage

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Got mine from there...

ruby spear Oct 1, 2019, 1:39 PM

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Most known doesn't necessarily equal best.

full flint Oct 1, 2019, 1:39 PM

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Scan?

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it's known because their products are decent @ruby spear

ruby spear Oct 1, 2019, 1:40 PM

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Please stop tagging me

full flint Oct 1, 2019, 1:40 PM

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ok sorry

smoky flame Oct 1, 2019, 1:40 PM

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Honestly, I'd prefer to build a PC over buy a prebuild any day. I'd say what he got definitely wasn't worth what he paid and I was pretty angry, still am

full flint Oct 1, 2019, 1:40 PM

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yo Kron what's Scan? is it a PC builder thing?

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Seagate's possibly the most known. doesn't mean their products were good. they've cleaned their act up though

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No they sell all kinds of computer components, even audio gear and the like

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oh, do they ship outside of their home nation?

heavy marsh Oct 1, 2019, 1:41 PM

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right, dark. they used to have double the failure rate of the 2nd place

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now i think its come down significantly

full flint Oct 1, 2019, 1:41 PM

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yet every company uses their stuff

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which, thankfully aren't issues anymore

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Not sure about that... But I believe Amazon UK does

heavy marsh Oct 1, 2019, 1:42 PM

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when i ran my shop, i used to be hardcore anti-seagate because of the 2TB failure rates, but now ill look to them 1st

full flint Oct 1, 2019, 1:42 PM

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I see seagate drives everywhere. My brothers laptop had a WD that failed. (Replaced it with the same drive)

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I'll still go for Toshiba.

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i've never had a WD fail on me lol

heavy marsh Oct 1, 2019, 1:43 PM

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anecdotes

smoky flame Oct 1, 2019, 1:43 PM

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anyways, time for me to go and update nvidia drivers. New one just released. Be back in about 5-10 minutes

heavy marsh Oct 1, 2019, 1:43 PM

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test it against 1 million drives

full flint Oct 1, 2019, 1:43 PM

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I've gone through 17tb of drives in the past 3 years alone. a lot of them were from the seagate failure era

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i've gone through like 8TB

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my whole life

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I had a hitachi from a 2003 dell dimension 8300, those things are built to last

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IDE but still

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mostly because i've been using the same XP PC for several years until 2015

smoky flame Oct 1, 2019, 1:59 PM

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back and that somehow took me longer than 10 minutes 😄

full flint Oct 1, 2019, 2:00 PM

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What are the new nvidia drivers for?

smoky flame Oct 1, 2019, 2:01 PM

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Here's the notes https://uk.download.nvidia.com/Windows/436.48/436.48-win10-win8-win7-release-notes.pdf

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quite happy that nvidia appear to have reportedly fixed the DirectX 12 crashes in The Division 2 (though I will have to see it to believe it)

full flint Oct 1, 2019, 2:04 PM

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I will wait for Destiny 2 shadowkeep drivers

smoky flame Oct 1, 2019, 2:06 PM

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Massive, the devs who work on The Division 2 applied a fix on their end about a week or so ago and when I tried it still crashed so I wonder what nvidia could have done, that the devs who work on the game to an engine level couldn't have done to possibly fix it

full flint Oct 1, 2019, 2:07 PM

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Well they do make the GPUs

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Might be an API issue though who knows

smoky flame Oct 1, 2019, 2:09 PM

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I have a feeling there will be a conflict between the two fixes, unless this fix is to backup Massive's fix in which case I may finally be able to play a DirectX 12 toggled game without it crashing!

full flint Oct 1, 2019, 2:11 PM

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I would rather use Vulkan API if I had the option to. Division 2 is only on Epic Game Store and Uplay right?

smoky flame Oct 1, 2019, 2:12 PM

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yup

full flint Oct 1, 2019, 2:14 PM

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Looks like I am not playing that game on PC then...

smoky flame Oct 1, 2019, 2:20 PM

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how come?

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and The Division 2 crashed on me...

full flint Oct 1, 2019, 2:20 PM

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The only platforms I play on are steam and gog

smoky flame Oct 1, 2019, 2:23 PM

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meh, to me a game launcher is a game launcher. If it has a game I want to play I'll download that launcher and buy that game. Personally I've no issues with Ubisoft or Epic

full flint Oct 1, 2019, 2:26 PM

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I got an xbox one (the one with the power brick) for everything not on Steam and GOG... If you need a third party launcher like you do with origin, uplay, battle.net and so on, those games go to Xbox... Hence why I have dragon age inquistion, diablo 3, and even Assassins Creed on Xbox... (although I have the first 5 ac games on PS3). Not sure about stuff like GTAV and some bethesda games though...

smoky flame Oct 1, 2019, 2:28 PM

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Rockstar now has it's own launcher and could be fitting as Red Dead Redemption 2 could be a Rockstar Games launcher exclusive and I do believe Bethesda have their own game launcher too, might be wrong

full flint Oct 1, 2019, 2:30 PM

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I know bethesda does, rdr2 I would play on Xbox One since I also own rdr1 on it

smoky flame Oct 1, 2019, 2:32 PM

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for a while (when I owned a PS4) I was doing similar but in reverse. Any game I could get my hands on both PC or console was headed to PC while the PS4 was reserved for exclusives but that didn't really last long

full flint Oct 1, 2019, 2:32 PM

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I wouldn't buy PC version of RDR 2, One X version is great already

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Yeah with hdr is great too

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PC version will looks so good when it finally releases

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Only advantage I think would be 60fps

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higher LOD, increased draw distance, better animation quality, more than 30fps

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higher texture resolution

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volumetric lighting and fog, ambient occlusion and screen space reflections

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And paying another 60-100 bucks for a product u have RAGE

smoky flame Oct 1, 2019, 2:33 PM

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PC tech will show off RDR2 in all it's beauty

full flint Oct 1, 2019, 2:33 PM

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water quality (big one here)

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Also possibly rtx?

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definitely RTX

smoky flame Oct 1, 2019, 2:34 PM

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possibly but I doubt it will launch with it, maybe a later addition

full flint Oct 1, 2019, 2:34 PM

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I hope

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now, what all they'll implement with it

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that's up for discussion

smoky flame Oct 1, 2019, 2:34 PM

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Global Illumination RDR2 oh my...

full flint Oct 1, 2019, 2:35 PM

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Well cyberpunk2077 has rtx and does not look that great based on the demo... RDR2 looks much better with hdr, so does spiderman ps4, ac odyssey etc

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DLSS

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😩

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CP2077 wasn't using any RTX functions in their demos

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It must have more features than Control's RTX ~~So we can play yet another performance nuker like GTA IV~~

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DLSS?

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Deep Learning Super Sampling

smoky flame Oct 1, 2019, 2:37 PM

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know what, if RDR2 does legitimately launch on PC (still treating it like a rumour until I see a solid release date) I will definitely be trading in my 1080 Ti towards a 2080 Ti. RTX or no. Got a feeling, even at 1080p I will need more power! 😈

full flint Oct 1, 2019, 2:37 PM

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Neural Network-based adaptive supersampling

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@smoky flame it's official, albeit not announced

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it's received classifications by several rating boards

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Another fancy technology of Nvidia like PhysX and HairWorks

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Don't get me wrong, I love both technologies

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There is already a new Nvidia sharpening filter

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Ultra low latency and something else released in the gamecom drivers

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I have hairworks disabled in all my games too

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Why? Just wondering

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More fps

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DLSS is a technology more than a filter

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Oh. I like more details TBH

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depends on the game

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Oh think it was integer scaling

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if it's single player then there's no point to warrant anything but the best visually

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on witcher 3 for example I leave hairworks off

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There are some games that DLSS looks bad but in a benchmark diffrence is massive

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I don't remember it's name

smoky flame Oct 1, 2019, 2:41 PM

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I used to disable all of Nvidia's gameworks features as they were super taxing and I found them to be unnecessary but now I just enable what I can to see how in game FPS fares and if it remains above a solid 60 fps I will keep it as was otherwise RIP to that game on my PC

full flint Oct 1, 2019, 2:41 PM

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Also nvidia freestyle sharpening feature...

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Even though my GPU can run some games at ultra I leave it on High... Might not look as good compared to others since my monitor is not IPS... For example I ran bf4 on ultra and it looked worse that the xbox one version (or maybe thats just my monitor). Was looking for something with hdr and freesync but would be out of the budget, better to spend on storage and gpu...

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I got an Asus MG248, my relative has a Samsung 4K QLED monitor and games on there look amazing... (On Xbox One X)

smoky flame Oct 1, 2019, 2:48 PM

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saddest part about freesync HDR is the fact that a lot of people are saying it's not really HDR and that it stops at around HDR400 (400 nits brightness). Nvidia's G-Sync Ultimate goes all the way to HDR 1000 (1000 nits brightness) but is ridiculously expensive. Think OLED TV prices kind of bad

full flint Oct 1, 2019, 2:48 PM

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Oh like 2k?

smoky flame Oct 1, 2019, 2:48 PM

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yup

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Here's one https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asus-rog-swift-pg35vq-35-3440x1440-200hz-va-g-sync-ultimate-hdr1000-ultra-wide-gaming-monitor-mo-0a5-as.html

full flint Oct 1, 2019, 2:49 PM

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indeed that is the case

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Our 4K tv has HDR 10 and dolby vision too, also an LCD...My phone has hdr 10+ and is OLED, maybe I should just play games on that... (That is also how I was able to see spiderman in hdr)

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@smoky flame That monitor is more than some 4K 144hz ones

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HDR is the reason

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along with G-Sync

smoky flame Oct 1, 2019, 2:51 PM

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the gsync ultimate module apparently costs around £500 or so I've heard

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aka nvidia tax

full flint Oct 1, 2019, 2:52 PM

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Please help

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hdr should not be the reason... You can find loads of HDR tvs around £400 mark at 4K, some cheaper too

smoky flame Oct 1, 2019, 2:53 PM

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very impressed they fitted the monitor with a DAC though ESS Sabre 9018

full flint Oct 1, 2019, 2:53 PM

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A DAC?

smoky flame Oct 1, 2019, 2:54 PM

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yeah, digital to analog converter. It's for audio. Pretty high end stuff

full flint Oct 1, 2019, 2:54 PM

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Oh this monitor also has DCI-P3 color space

smoky flame Oct 1, 2019, 2:54 PM

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What's up, Bis?

full flint Oct 1, 2019, 2:55 PM

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If you think about it nearly everything has a DAC...

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well that can do audio output to analog

smoky flame Oct 1, 2019, 2:57 PM

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hmm yeah but most prefer to have a whole standalone audio setup (amp and DAC) to improve audio quality way beyond what most other systems can do. Pair a setup like that with an amazing pair of headphones and wow

full flint Oct 1, 2019, 2:59 PM

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Or speakers

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not really an audiophile though

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@smoky flame Have you tried Amazon Music HD with a DAC? Even with my AKG headphones songs sound really good

smoky flame Oct 1, 2019, 3:14 PM

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Not sure what quality Amazon Music has. I use Tidal HiFi

full flint Oct 1, 2019, 3:15 PM

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Amazon Music now does 16 bit and 24 bit audio for £14.99 a month or £12.99 for prime members...

smoky flame Oct 1, 2019, 3:16 PM

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oh wow, that's pretty neat

full flint Oct 1, 2019, 3:17 PM

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Only think which is bad is the playlists... I believe you can download songs too... (The 24 bit audio and 16 bit varies on the device, connection and song)

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90 days free also...

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I would use on my main PC but don't have the speakers to drive it properly...

heavy marsh Oct 1, 2019, 3:29 PM

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even spotify songs sound great with a nice DAC

full flint Oct 1, 2019, 3:34 PM

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You should have changed that to youtube or something else...

smoky dock Oct 1, 2019, 10:45 PM

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i think u can yeah

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but im not sure

full flint Oct 2, 2019, 3:59 AM

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4k native vs 1080p render 200%: Do they have the same image quality on screen?

ruby spear Oct 2, 2019, 4:02 AM

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@full flint We have told you countless times that this is not your personal support channel. If you have no intention of joining in with the community, then community support (which you rarely remember to actually post in) is not available to you.

obsidian bobcatBOT Oct 2, 2019, 4:02 AM

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KNSBBan WilliamLeGod#2460 has been banned.

autumn sluice Oct 2, 2019, 11:56 AM

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@full flint need to buy a copy on console too

full flint Oct 2, 2019, 12:07 PM

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@full flint also please change your nickname to standard alphanumerical ascii

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alternate unicode "fonts" are covered by #rules 4

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thank you

smoky flame Oct 2, 2019, 10:51 PM

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playing Ghost Recon Breakpoint at ultimate preset and wow, the game is beautiful! 😮

brave topaz Oct 2, 2019, 11:00 PM

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I bet it is

autumn sluice Oct 3, 2019, 3:57 AM

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I really want breakpoint

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I have a friend who was in the military and I honestly haven't seen him having more fun in a while

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He just talks and talks about all the stuff in the game and his time in the military

smoky flame Oct 3, 2019, 10:55 AM

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you can get Breakpoint through uplay+. £12.99 a month (may vary with some currencies) and it nets you the ultimate edition of Breakpoint I think, if not it is the Gold edition. Both editions allowed players to play 3 days early

smoky flame Oct 3, 2019, 11:12 AM

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(sorry if that may have came across like I was advertising uplay+, not intended. Rather just a suggestion)

autumn sluice Oct 3, 2019, 11:23 AM

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Unfortunately I only got Xbox so

smoky flame Oct 4, 2019, 8:23 PM

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just bought Control. Got it through Humble Bundle for a little less than £40 (£47.99 on EGS) so yay, a bit more money saved 🙂

plucky marsh Oct 4, 2019, 8:34 PM

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Nice!

full flint Oct 4, 2019, 8:43 PM

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Oh I completely forgot

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If anyone is looking to upgrade their CPU cooler, Thermaltake is selling one of their huge 360mm liquid cooler models for $120 on amazon. Usually $180. Just bought one last night for my streaming PC

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https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0196LP24M/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_efRLDbVH9V92A

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Those are static pressure fans so I definitely had to snatch one for myself

full flint Oct 5, 2019, 9:11 AM

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I would use a AIO liquid cooler but my CPU is not overclockable...

smoky flame Oct 5, 2019, 11:14 AM

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even though its not overclockable doesn't mean to say an AIO cooler won't help it though it is a bit excessive yeah. Btw, have you synced all cores on your CPU?

smoky flame Oct 5, 2019, 12:42 PM

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Not sure why but sometimes I feel the audio drivers I use are very outdated. Doesn't help when I have no idea how to update them to the latest version when motherboard's support site last updated them way back in 2017. Do I stick with motherboard ones or do I find a way to update them?

worthy nymph Oct 5, 2019, 12:43 PM

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i really wanna tease everyone here

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so

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take this pic

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/464833232287039506/630021225527115777/20191005_133913.jpg

smoky flame Oct 5, 2019, 12:48 PM

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what RTX is that you got?

worthy nymph Oct 5, 2019, 12:48 PM

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2070 super

smoky flame Oct 5, 2019, 12:49 PM

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cool 🙂 What's the specs of the rest of your system?

worthy nymph Oct 5, 2019, 12:50 PM

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I9-9900K
32GB Corsair vengence RGB RAM
MSI 2070 super (as above)
Corsair H100i Liquid cooler
MSI carbon motherboard
NZXT h500 case

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750w corsair PSU

smoky flame Oct 5, 2019, 12:50 PM

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oh that is a very nice system 😮

worthy nymph Oct 5, 2019, 12:51 PM

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thankyou 🙂 what specs you got?

smoky flame Oct 5, 2019, 12:54 PM

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i7-6700K
16GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 2800MHz RAM
ASUS 1080 Ti Founders Edition
Corsair H100i V2 AIO cooler
Asus Maximus VIII Hero Alpha
Corsair Carbide 400C
Corsair RM650i PSU

worthy nymph Oct 5, 2019, 12:54 PM

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😮 thats a nice system!

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also if i dont respond its because im going in VR

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gonna play TTT on Pavlov 😄

smoky flame Oct 5, 2019, 12:56 PM

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heh thanks 😊 Most of those specs I listed, besides the GPU, have been in my system since I built my PC way back in late June 2016. Originally had a 980 Ti but decided to upgrade to the 1080 Ti

worthy nymph Oct 5, 2019, 12:57 PM

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oh nice!

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im glad i went with RTX tbh

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mainly because of the new minecraft RTX update xD

smoky flame Oct 5, 2019, 12:58 PM

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planning my first major upgrade and that may well include a 9900K (or waiting for the 10900K), 32GB ram and a 2080 Ti

worthy nymph Oct 5, 2019, 12:58 PM

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jealous

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haha

smoky flame Oct 5, 2019, 4:09 PM

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Control is a very strange game. Can't quite figure out what it is about but I like it. Very good performance at maxed out settings on my system and having learnt TAA is always active in game I found no reason to enable MSAA so I saved some performance there, I think

full flint Oct 5, 2019, 4:26 PM

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Go with FXAA If you can

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It’s an older method of AA that has very little performance impact and takes just a wee bit of the edges off

smoky flame Oct 5, 2019, 4:35 PM

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always on TAA, MSAA and DLSS are the only options available in Control.
DLSS being an RTX feature I cannot use it

pine jay Oct 5, 2019, 4:36 PM

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why doess this channel exist its XBOX discord

smoky flame Oct 5, 2019, 4:50 PM

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does that really need answering?

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btw, I tried the ray tracing options on Control. Actually forgot I could and while it ran really poorly (to put it kindly) at 30fps or less it really looks beautiful. All the more reason I'm really considering getting my hands on a 2080 Ti

full flint Oct 5, 2019, 4:59 PM

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There clearly wasn’t a whole lot of thinking in that question

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PC gamepass literally exists

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I have a 2080ti and they are very powerful

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But literally, they use a LOT of power. My hits almost 400W with my raised power limit. It also uses 2 power connectors instead of 1, so make sure that you have a power supply with not only enough watts (I’d recommend 850 or higher) but modular with enough power ports

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Get that, and all these games will look amazing. Really looking forward to Halo Infinite

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Hoping Minecraft RTX comes out before then. That’s my #2

smoky flame Oct 5, 2019, 5:09 PM

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Pretty sure my 650w PSU will still cover me if I was to get a 2080 Ti

full flint Oct 5, 2019, 5:11 PM

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...eeeehhhh it’s too close.

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Assuming you have an average gold rated psu like everyone else, you’ll be awfully close to the limit depending on what all that other stuff runs at

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I mean you might make it just fine I have no idea

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But I’m the kind of person who enjoys headroom because headroom = peace of mind

smoky flame Oct 5, 2019, 5:13 PM

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I showed my system's specs a few messages above earlier

full flint Oct 5, 2019, 5:13 PM

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Let me do some math

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Do you have any special fans or anything?

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Anything that would draw extra power

smoky flame Oct 5, 2019, 5:17 PM

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3x Corsair ML120 and 2x Corsair ML140

full flint Oct 5, 2019, 5:17 PM

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Ok so your system is about 200w without the GPU

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187 without the fans. I just rounded it.

smoky flame Oct 5, 2019, 5:18 PM

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ahh so it will be pretty close 😱

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got an SSD and HDD too if they draw any significant enough power to report too

full flint Oct 5, 2019, 5:20 PM

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Only like 20w combined probably

smoky flame Oct 5, 2019, 5:21 PM

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Take it a 9900K is out of the question unless I was to upgrade my PSU as well

full flint Oct 5, 2019, 5:21 PM

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So a 2080ti draws around 250w. If you go with anything like the asus strix series or anything like that with 3 fans and nice boost clocks, you’ll see around 300-350.

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You might make it, but you’re a little too close for comfort

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Also pretty much all GPU vendors recommends a 850w psu for a 2080ti

smoky flame Oct 5, 2019, 5:23 PM

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they do? I was sure they recommended 650w 🤔

full flint Oct 5, 2019, 5:23 PM

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Here’s a test toms hardware ran on the founders edition

📎 image0.jpg

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I would go 850

smoky flame Oct 5, 2019, 5:26 PM

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so rounded up fully and storages added I will use up to 580w. That's actually pretty scary

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just checked Asus's website (2080 Ti Strix OC no less) and it recommends 650w

full flint Oct 5, 2019, 5:35 PM

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Which one is that

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📎 image0.png

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Mine is 850 ¯_(ツ)_/¯

smoky flame Oct 5, 2019, 5:37 PM

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https://www.asus.com/Graphics-Cards/ROG-STRIX-RTX2080TI-O11G-GAMING/

full flint Oct 5, 2019, 5:38 PM

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Hmm. Strange

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I’d still recommend 850

plucky marsh Oct 5, 2019, 6:09 PM

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Doing some giveaways on the early access Humble Bundle games this month (COD:WWII, Spyro Trilogy, & Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy) for those who are interested 🙂

undone cypress Oct 5, 2019, 6:51 PM

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Entered in 2 of them. GG to everyone 💚

full flint Oct 6, 2019, 11:11 AM

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Do you think a 550W 80+ Gold PSU will work with a rtx 2070/rtx 2070 super? I plan to pick up one on cyber monday weekend if I can find one for under £400, otherwise I will get a 4K TV...

full flint Oct 6, 2019, 1:54 PM

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I'd say 650w to be safe

full flint Oct 6, 2019, 2:13 PM

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650E? Or 650W? Looks like I will need to upgrade my psu then... Any GPUs of that level which will work with the 550W 80+ Gold PSU?

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sorry. W

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my fingers were waking up and hitting every wrong key

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I'd say 650E to br dsfr

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Ok I have no AIO, no OC CPU... Motherboard is Z370... If I cannot buy something similar to rtx 2070 or super I will wait for next batch of nvidia cpus... Hopefully the super variant of the rtx 2060 successor will be a better and more power effiecient card...

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2020 will be the next line anyway

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as for more power efficient? probably not for at least another generation

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we're getting into hardware accelerated Ray-Tracing

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that's just going to bump the power usage up again

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Oh great... Looks like I am getting a 4K TV then. 1 TB SSD for the PC it looks like.

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4k....tV?

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for streaming video and possibly project scarlett...

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oh. I read that wrong

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I thought you meant 4k TV for the PC

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Yeah... would rather pick up one of samsung’s qled monitors if I had the option to do so... Or maybe an LG... Right now I am stuck with 1080p 144hz TN so I will have to upgrade the monitor soon (which also means upgrading the GPU).

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NVIDIA Recommends 650-750 for the 2080/2070 Super

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2070 Super has a TDP of 215

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to put that into perspective

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the Titan V has a TDP of 250

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and Titan RTX is 280

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if you went with the base 2070 you could get away with 550W, as the TDP on it is 185

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Can only find them on Amazon (2070), everywhere else is sold out... Is the 2070 similar to the 2060 super or is it faster?

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very, very marginally

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the 2060S has a TDP of 175

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but is significantly less powerful than the 2070S/2080S

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Ok if I can get a 2060 super I may just get that, but it will have to be for under £350... Otherwise I will have to upgrade my PSU to use the 2070 super, which is a bit of a hassle

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monetarily? or installation

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I mean taking the PSU out, and reconnecting every single wire, then cable management on top of that...

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it's not that bad. just an hour of work.

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once you get into it it's kinda enjoyable

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now...motherboard swapping, bleh

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my fingers bleed

barren knot Oct 6, 2019, 4:05 PM

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Make sure to get a quality psu. That's one component you do not want to cheap out on

full flint Oct 6, 2019, 5:20 PM

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I already have a 80+ Gold one... Also just installed a gigabyte wifi card which is basicially a intel 9260 + bluetooth 5 combo

barren knot Oct 6, 2019, 11:01 PM

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My previous one was gold as well, but kept crashing my PC randomly. Took me a year to pin point the issue. Got a new one and no more crashes

full flint Oct 7, 2019, 12:38 AM

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@full flint custom power/cooling loop

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📎 Cool_Cooling.webm

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really cool

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the child in me wants to do something like this

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but the adult in me knows I have not the money

full flint Oct 7, 2019, 1:23 AM

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what in the world

full flint Oct 7, 2019, 9:36 AM

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It needs a key to turn on

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What if you lose your key in your afro?

full flint Oct 7, 2019, 1:34 PM

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RX 5500 is offical

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Also the RX 5500M

full flint Oct 7, 2019, 4:30 PM

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Still no high-end answer to the 2080ti

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Smh

smoky flame Oct 7, 2019, 4:31 PM

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has me think AMD haven't truly thought out the whole Navi launch. Whoever is in charge of the naming needs to go too imo

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I'd have launched Polaris, Vega and Navi all as successors to one another if I was in charge.
RX 400 series - Polaris, RX 500 series - Polaris+, RX 600 series - Vega (that would include Radeon VII) and RX 700 series - Navi.
GPU numbering would be similar to Nvidia though starting off no lower than x50, that being the base GPU of that series and ending at x90, that being the highest spec GPU and no more dual GPU cards

full flint Oct 7, 2019, 4:49 PM

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@full flint By the time that comes out Nvidia will have released a newer GPU

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@smoky flame You could say the same for Nvidia too... I mean jumping from 10 series to 20 series instead of using 11 series... Nvidia also has or had xx30 cards but I think they have been replaced by the MX150, MX250, and lower end 50 series cards...

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Wonder how the RX5500M will do in the mobile market though... Hopefully will crush everything under a 1660 for way less... (With freesync support too, also the Ryzen 7 3750H CPU)

smoky flame Oct 7, 2019, 6:07 PM

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ikr. Back before Nvidia launched their 20 series I was getting really hyped for their 11 series. Had my eyes on the fabled £700-750 1180 Ti. Safe to say that is never happening now and I'm also afraid to say it but the 1080 Ti could well be the last x80 Ti GPU priced at £700 or less. That £300 increase Nvidia slapped on the 2080 Ti was nasty - and still is 😭

barren knot Oct 7, 2019, 6:15 PM

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Yeah 1000 bucks for a gpu, no thx

full flint Oct 7, 2019, 6:16 PM

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that's like mid-high range lol

barren knot Oct 7, 2019, 6:23 PM

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My 1080ti was 700€ back when I got it

full flint Oct 7, 2019, 6:48 PM

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The rtx 2080ti is over £1200 here I think

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Most I have seen is £1,879.99

smoky flame Oct 7, 2019, 6:49 PM

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Was the same price for me when I bought my 1080 Ti, £700. Though I had to pay for shipping too... You'd think when a product costs £700 I'd have got free shipping. Nope

full flint Oct 7, 2019, 6:49 PM

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Where did you get yours from?

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let me tell you about the $200 shipping on my tablet

smoky flame Oct 7, 2019, 6:50 PM

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2080 Ti were meant to start from £999 iirc from their reveal... So much for that

full flint Oct 7, 2019, 6:50 PM

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Sounds like an import for $200 shipping

smoky flame Oct 7, 2019, 6:51 PM

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Kronixio, I got my 1080 Ti from Scan

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was a Founders edition

full flint Oct 7, 2019, 6:52 PM

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Scan UK don’t do free delivery over a certain price point? Their delivery is normally £5.48 unless you choose express shipping or something...

smoky flame Oct 7, 2019, 6:53 PM

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I'll need to go back over 2 years ago to check exactly how much I spent but I do recall having to pay a bit more than just the £699 the card cost

full flint Oct 7, 2019, 6:54 PM

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I believe the 1080ti was around $1000 at one point

smoky flame Oct 7, 2019, 6:56 PM

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yeah, that was during the cryptocurrency boom but launch price was from $699

full flint Oct 7, 2019, 6:57 PM

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Yeah I got my PC shortly after that, but before Zen+ launch

smoky flame Oct 7, 2019, 7:01 PM

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hmm ok I checked the Scan transaction from 1080 Ti launch day and I paid almost £50 more than the launch price. Doesn't say much else but I'm about 90% sure shipping costs were part of that but surely not £50 😱

full flint Oct 7, 2019, 7:02 PM

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DPD shipping can get expensive

smoky flame Oct 7, 2019, 7:03 PM

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going to check shipping on their 2080 Ti

full flint Oct 7, 2019, 7:03 PM

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The kingpin version is almost £1900

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Shipping by 9th october £11.50. Think they have a free option

smoky flame Oct 7, 2019, 7:07 PM

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yeah, £11.50 shipping. Can get as much as £28.80 though and that is nasty imo. Even products over £1000 and Scan still expects people to pay even more for shipping...

full flint Oct 7, 2019, 7:08 PM

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Have you tried overclockers UK? I got my keyboard from there

smoky flame Oct 7, 2019, 7:12 PM

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Overclockers seems to offer free shipping on some but not all 2080 Ti

full flint Oct 7, 2019, 7:15 PM

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Hmm I would go for whatever sells it for the cheapest and has the best warranty

smoky flame Oct 7, 2019, 7:17 PM

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Still very tempted to try my luck and buy a used 2080 Ti from CEX tbh. Trade in my 1080 Ti (fully boxed), get in store credit (£343 I think it said) and then see if there is a way I can view the 2080 Ti from other stores, buy one if I'm happy with what I see and pay a drastically reduced price. Would come to £537, 2080 Ti on CEX are £880

full flint Oct 7, 2019, 7:17 PM

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CEX sells used hardware

smoky flame Oct 7, 2019, 7:18 PM

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I know, might be worth trying my luck though

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Why pay in excess of £1000 if I can find a 2080 Ti for almost half that and works fine. That near £500 saving can go to other stuff

full flint Oct 7, 2019, 7:20 PM

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If you coukd find a refurb one for a similar price that would be even better imo

smoky flame Oct 7, 2019, 7:22 PM

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I doubt I'd find any near £537. Closer to the £880 CEX sell them for is probably more in line with what I'd expect to see refurb/used 2080 Ti

full flint Oct 7, 2019, 7:24 PM

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Fair enough... £537 is pretty cheap for a 2080ti... Wonder how much they would sell that 1080ti for though

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Have you guys seen any of the water cooled 2080 tis

smoky flame Oct 7, 2019, 7:28 PM

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CEX would be selling my 1080 Ti for £490

full flint Oct 7, 2019, 7:28 PM

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https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07PWHZT73/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_ah5MDbQS0VRY3

smoky flame Oct 7, 2019, 7:29 PM

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Yeah, I've seen some of the water cooled 2080 Ti but tbh water cooled GPU's just seem excessive. Air cooling is fine, unless you live in Australia 😄

full flint Oct 7, 2019, 7:30 PM

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The water cooling will probably last much longer

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A hefty overclock might reduce a 2080tis lifespan by 4-5 years. If you can keep the temps super low through water cooling it won’t be so harsh

smoky flame Oct 7, 2019, 7:32 PM

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a whole lot more trouble with maintaining a water cooled GPU over air cooled one. Expensive if all goes wrong compared to if one fan was to break on say a 3 fan GPU it could probably still operate (just not optimally) while you order a replacement fan that is a lot less expensive

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I see no point in really overclocking any Nvidia GPUs from 10, 16 or 20 series since they all have GPU Boost 3.0. It pretty much does most of the hard work and seems to leave not much headroom for further overclocking seeing as any overclock applied is also applied to 3.0 speeds and more than likely becomes a stability problem

full flint Oct 7, 2019, 7:40 PM

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it's only a stability problem if you overclock improperly, always has been

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nothing's changed there

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My boost only pushes it from 1575 to like 1630. I have it running at 1680 just fine and could push much higher. The built in boost is so small it’s not even worthy of being called an overclock

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I’m talking like a 5fps improvement

smoky flame Oct 7, 2019, 7:47 PM

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According to Techpowerup's database my 1080 Ti base clock is 1481 MHz and boost clock is 1582 MHz. I have seen my 1080 Ti reach as much as 1873 MHz without an overclock through boost 3.0 though it tends to drop to around 1810 MHz after a while

full flint Oct 7, 2019, 7:48 PM

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You might have a different model. Chip varies from model to model

smoky flame Oct 7, 2019, 7:48 PM

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Founders edition

full flint Oct 7, 2019, 7:49 PM

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All these 2080tis have boost clocks of 1700-1800 but you can read online about everyone who easily hit over 2000. Boost is a safe overclock if anything

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I read yesterday about someone with the zotac watercooled model hitting 2115 and only dealing with 43° temps

smoky flame Oct 7, 2019, 7:52 PM

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yup, if I apply an overlock I have seen my 1080 Ti reach 2000 MHz though it doesn't stay 😦 After the GPU reaches 70c it begins to drop clock speed slightly so similar to getting up to 1873MHz without an OC I get up to 2025 MHz with an OC I have applied in the past that has then dropped to 1987 MHz or crashed on certain games

full flint Oct 7, 2019, 7:52 PM

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And that’s why water cooling is not excessive :p

smoky flame Oct 7, 2019, 7:55 PM

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I still find it excessive. Cost and maintenance. Win big in the lottery or something and maybe my mind would change as I'd have someone come and do it all for me but yeah, definitely not something that I'd be touching under current circumstances

full flint Oct 7, 2019, 7:59 PM

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There’s no maintenance required. It’s the same tech as cpu water coolers. By the time you need to refill the coolant, it’ll be outdated and superseded multiple times

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Like yeah you might need to refill the coolant in 5 years but in 5 years we’ll have 5080 Tis

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When 8k120 is standard and the 2080 ti just can’t do it

gritty goblet Oct 7, 2019, 8:07 PM

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Ehh, maintenance can be necessary, I thought my loop was clean until I put anti corrosive into my water all of the sudden it's a very vibrant blue from copper erosion, if you have an air pocket somewhere it can happen over time

full flint Oct 7, 2019, 8:08 PM

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The evga kingpin 2080ti is watercooled too?

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Yes

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Cool that thing is £1879 though

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More then my setup

full flint Oct 7, 2019, 8:40 PM

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I mean 2080tis are $1400 normally anyway

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Well about $1200 now

smoky flame Oct 7, 2019, 8:50 PM

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on Nvidia's site they are selling their Founders edition for £1149. Don't know where that figure has come from since it launched stating a price starting from $999. Last I checked though $999 doesn't equal £1149...

full flint Oct 8, 2019, 12:25 AM

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That was probably pre-crypto boom

jagged cedar Oct 8, 2019, 3:45 AM

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Kingpin is a binned chip. has 3 bios, can have all limits unlocked with classified tool, and bracketing for LN2 cooling. Mine hits 2175 steady and doesn't break 49c. I can get it over 2205Mhz but it will drop to 2160 then back and forth between 2175 and 2160 mhz with a fairly mild overclock. this is on the bios 1. haven't even changed to OC bios yet

sand basin Oct 8, 2019, 5:52 PM

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dm'ed you @smoky flame

full flint Oct 9, 2019, 9:37 PM

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https://www.anandtech.com/show/14964/gskill-launches-32-gb-ddr4-modules-256-gb-kits-up-to-ddr44000

G.Skill Launches 32 GB DDR4 Modules, 256 GB Kits: Up to DDR4-4000

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oh my god

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oh my GOD

full flint Oct 9, 2019, 11:05 PM

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The human eye can’t see past 16 GB

smoky flame Oct 10, 2019, 12:58 AM

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lol

dull palm Oct 11, 2019, 7:54 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1szow-dCPzc

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This looks good for anyone who is a fan of classic cRPGs

full flint Oct 11, 2019, 7:55 AM

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classic CRPG is rather redundant no?

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since CRPG already means "classic"

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but anyway, looks neat

dull palm Oct 11, 2019, 10:40 AM

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c = computer

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A friend went to the Drop Bear Bytes stall at Pax today and met the head music honcho, lead Dev and the CEO and was really impressed by all of them as well as the bits of the product he was shown. The game sounds like it's absolutely pregnant with promise.

fiery cobalt Oct 11, 2019, 2:50 PM

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does anyone play destiny 2?

full flint Oct 11, 2019, 3:07 PM

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Angry

upbeat quail Oct 11, 2019, 6:20 PM

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I do play destiny 2 cobraman

full flint Oct 12, 2019, 7:48 AM

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This is amazing

📎 image0.jpg

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It shoots at 240fps

full flint Oct 12, 2019, 11:09 AM

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noice

tired nebula Oct 12, 2019, 12:16 PM

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Took me a while to see what it was.

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Looks cool

full flint Oct 12, 2019, 3:42 PM

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Why is ram so stupid

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Lemme just put 4 sticks in and get 4 times the performance

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I hate this dual channel quad channel double dual channel throttle the clock rate crap

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I have to get 2x16 instead of 4x8 cuz ya know
Screw logic

tired nebula Oct 12, 2019, 10:10 PM

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....

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Okay

stoic kelp Oct 12, 2019, 11:14 PM

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and here I am eyeing this: https://www.amazon.ca/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Flight-Pack/dp/B01N2PE8CZ

full flint Oct 13, 2019, 12:29 PM

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Worth buying fallout legacy collection? Am from UK and already own new vegas and fallout 3 on GOG...

cloud tusk Oct 14, 2019, 4:38 AM

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is it worth upgrading from 16gb of ram to 32gb?

sinful rapids Oct 14, 2019, 4:40 AM

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If you video edits yes

cloud tusk Oct 14, 2019, 4:44 AM

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Currently packing the i9-9900k 4.9ghz overclocked with a 2080ti but only the 16gb of 3000mhz ram debating whether to upgrade

viral crest Oct 14, 2019, 4:44 AM

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It's always a yes. Haha

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I have 8GB...

smoky flame Oct 14, 2019, 4:44 AM

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even if not video editing I'd say it is worth considering the upgrade imo

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also wow, very nice PC specs. I'm jealous 🙁

cloud tusk Oct 14, 2019, 4:45 AM

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I'm thinking about it does it matter which brand i go with or is it all the same

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for example trident z or corsair and stuff

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its my first pc im still a noob btw

smoky flame Oct 14, 2019, 4:47 AM

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some ram may have better timings and be manufacturered by a different company to some rivals. Though usually you tend to see that stuff cost a fair bit more than others

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first pc?! you really went all out 😲

cloud tusk Oct 14, 2019, 4:48 AM

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Yeah I have a spare room in my apartment so I decided to put together a setup

viral crest Oct 14, 2019, 4:48 AM

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💥 nice

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I've built a few. Though it's been a few years now. 😄

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Mine is six years old.

cloud tusk Oct 14, 2019, 4:48 AM

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I got mine through pc specialist they built it for me

smoky flame Oct 14, 2019, 4:50 AM

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I built my PC myself. i7 6700K, 16gb 2800MHz ram and a 1080 Ti. Planning an upgrade but that will all happen next year

cloud tusk Oct 14, 2019, 4:50 AM

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my pc is overkill lol

smoky flame Oct 14, 2019, 4:51 AM

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nah, no such thing as overkill imo. Lol

viral crest Oct 14, 2019, 4:51 AM

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That's nice to me! @smoky flame

cloud tusk Oct 14, 2019, 4:51 AM

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i have a fan inside the case already but its not rgb is it easy to switch fans i would love a nice rgb one

smoky flame Oct 14, 2019, 4:51 AM

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heh, thanks blue

viral crest Oct 14, 2019, 4:52 AM

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Yes. It's pretty easy.

smoky flame Oct 14, 2019, 4:52 AM

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ehh rgb can look nice but paying quite a premium for flashy fans

cloud tusk Oct 14, 2019, 4:53 AM

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im fussy because my case has 3 front rgb fans but on the inside the fan isnt rgb

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maybe overly fussy but its another thing i could possibly upgrade besides the ram

smoky flame Oct 14, 2019, 4:54 AM

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my upgrade is going to be crazy. Though it depends on a lot of things

cloud tusk Oct 14, 2019, 4:55 AM

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https://gyazo.com/3cbeded1849c106554fcfd78106960c2

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thats my current setup

smoky flame Oct 14, 2019, 4:55 AM

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10900K (if announced) 32gb ram and the successor to the 2080 Ti (3080 Ti, if announced)

viral crest Oct 14, 2019, 4:55 AM

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@cloud tusk ooh red

cloud tusk Oct 14, 2019, 4:56 AM

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@smoky flame that'll be a nasty pc

smoky flame Oct 14, 2019, 4:57 AM

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nicknaming it project libra 2.0. Nothing "balanced" about it though

cloud tusk Oct 14, 2019, 4:58 AM

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i dunno whether to get a 3 screen setup and a bigger desk

smoky flame Oct 14, 2019, 5:00 AM

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a bigger desk looks a decent idea. 3 monitors though. Is two not enough? 😀

cloud tusk Oct 14, 2019, 5:01 AM

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it is but if i got a better desk i could get a 60 hz monitor for console gaming

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2nd monitor would be for browsing twitter and such

smoky flame Oct 14, 2019, 5:02 AM

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console gaming soon to support up to 120hz and higher fps in games (scarlett and PS5)

cloud tusk Oct 14, 2019, 5:02 AM

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thats true i could get a higher hz

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my 2 current monitors are 240 and a 144

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could use my 144 now for console and just get a 60 hz to browse on

smoky flame Oct 14, 2019, 5:03 AM

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nice! asus pg258q? can almost make out a monitor that looks like it

cloud tusk Oct 14, 2019, 5:03 AM

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keep the 144 for future console

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yeah thats my monitor

smoky flame Oct 14, 2019, 5:05 AM

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getting more jealous of your setup by the minute. Haha 😁

cloud tusk Oct 14, 2019, 5:05 AM

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i think all i need is a bigger desk

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those 2 pc upgrades the fan and ram

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then im legit sorted

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or if i could somehow extend onto my current desk

smoky flame Oct 14, 2019, 5:07 AM

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your call. Looks awesome as it is but some extra desk space will definitely be useful

cloud tusk Oct 14, 2019, 5:07 AM

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what games do you play

smoky flame Oct 14, 2019, 5:08 AM

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I play a real mix of games tbh. Ghost Recon Breakpoint I have been playing quite a bit lately

cloud tusk Oct 14, 2019, 5:09 AM

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Fortnite was my main game for a while but sorta getting bored i'm just waiting for Modern Warfare to be released

smoky flame Oct 14, 2019, 5:11 AM

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every game I play I like to set to maxed settings. Can hurt fps depending on the age of the game and how well it performs but visuals, just stunning

cloud tusk Oct 14, 2019, 5:11 AM

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I do the same did you play modern warfare beta the graphics were really good

smoky flame Oct 14, 2019, 5:12 AM

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nope, not really a fan of call of duty games. Last one I played would have been Ghosts on the 360

full flint Oct 14, 2019, 5:19 AM

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@cloud tusk basically, when purchasing memory, Micron or Samsung are the silicon manufacturers you want to look for

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Hynix memory is typically not as long lasting

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so whichever brand uses either Micron (Crucial) or Samsung, make your choice among those selections

smoky flame Oct 14, 2019, 5:21 AM

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very good info that 👍 wanted to say more about the manufacturers but wasn't 100% sure on the good ones so left all that out

cloud tusk Oct 14, 2019, 5:21 AM

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Thanks for that 🙂

full flint Oct 14, 2019, 5:21 AM

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Micron's the overall longest lasting, Samsung's the fastest

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both are durable for DIMM

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same applies to SSD

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Micron's the most durable, Samsung's the fastest

smoky flame Oct 14, 2019, 5:22 AM

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glad I picked a crucial mx200 ssd for my boot drive

cloud tusk Oct 14, 2019, 5:23 AM

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what's your guys opinion on the gaming brand razer

smoky flame Oct 14, 2019, 5:23 AM

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mx500 ssd exists now but this build I have is over 3 years old now (everything besides the 1080 Ti anyway)

full flint Oct 14, 2019, 5:23 AM

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hardware's good. drivers can cause issues

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they've polished their drivers up lately though

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so it's really just preference

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Corsair, Razer, and Logitech

full flint Oct 14, 2019, 6:17 AM

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I use steelseries myself

full flint Oct 14, 2019, 8:15 AM

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Happy Spooktober

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full flint Oct 14, 2019, 10:07 AM

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That’s too much!

plucky marsh Oct 14, 2019, 10:10 AM

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If we go by toothpaste rules you only need a pea sized ball!

gritty goblet Oct 14, 2019, 3:37 PM

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Do they not have a thermal paste applicator ?! drama

full flint Oct 14, 2019, 4:35 PM

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They forgot to spread it out like how you apply butter on a piece of toast

smoky flame Oct 14, 2019, 11:42 PM

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😂 Asus ROG UK's comment... They just had to say that 😄

full flint Oct 14, 2019, 11:43 PM

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that video still gives me shudders

smoky flame Oct 14, 2019, 11:44 PM

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same here. PC community really mopped the floor with the verge. Haven't really bothered looking at them since myself tbh so I don't know if more awkward stuff has been done since

full flint Oct 14, 2019, 11:45 PM

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the verge mopped the floor with themselves

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that video was an embarrassment and the easiest way to kill someone's new, and possibly very expensive hardware

smoky flame Oct 14, 2019, 11:48 PM

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was anything ever done after the video and everything else calmed down? iirc the verge took the video down but that still wasn't enough to stop the backlash and reaction videos ripping into them

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btw only just noticed general channel been locked. Had wondered a few minutes prior as to why it was greyed out and all quiet

ruby spear Oct 14, 2019, 11:50 PM

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The last message tells you why.

smoky flame Oct 14, 2019, 11:51 PM

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I know, don't worry 🙂

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https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/intel-server-platform-going-for-socket-lga4677-with-pcie-5-and-ddr5-memory.html

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ddr5 definitely coming 😮

full flint Oct 14, 2019, 11:57 PM

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ofc it is

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I even told you it was

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DDR5 ECC form-factor's been around since 2017-2018

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it's just a matter of when it's hitting non-ECC form

smoky flame Oct 14, 2019, 11:58 PM

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yup but I was under the impression it was still some way out might yet be as this is server stuff but to see it reported maybe it is not so far out after all

full flint Oct 14, 2019, 11:58 PM

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2020

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like I said. lol

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10th gen intel-core processors for the desktop sockets are the big question though

smoky flame Oct 14, 2019, 11:59 PM

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2020 and Intel haven't even moved on to 10nm yet

full flint Oct 14, 2019, 11:59 PM

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they already have 10th gen laptop processors in the market

smoky flame Oct 14, 2019, 11:59 PM

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they have given up on the 10nm desktop CPUs

full flint Oct 15, 2019, 12:00 AM

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so that reinforces my theory that they're waiting for DDR5 Non-ECC

smoky flame Oct 15, 2019, 12:00 AM

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https://www.techpowerup.com/260130/intel-scraps-10nm-for-desktop-brazen-it-out-with-14nm-skylake-till-2022

full flint Oct 15, 2019, 12:00 AM

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5nm chipsets are starting production Q1 next year

smoky flame Oct 15, 2019, 12:02 AM

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cool, AMD must be loving how Intel have messed up so bad with 10nm

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7nm "Intel Meteor Lake" does have me interested though but if that is a 2022/2023 CPU it may be too late. I plan to upgrade my CPU and was hoping Intel were launching 10nm. Maybe time to consider AMD seriously? Already have a 14nm Skylake CPU (6700K) so the 10900K or whatever it will be called and it's 14nm(+++?) won't feel like a full fledged upgrade I don't think

full flint Oct 15, 2019, 11:17 AM

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what the hell AMD

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where is your competitor to the RTX 2080 Super

autumn sluice Oct 15, 2019, 11:22 AM

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Why would you make a competitor to a gpu meant for high resource r&d?

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Like the 2080 was released for ppl to use with AI development

full flint Oct 15, 2019, 11:39 AM

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I thought that was the Titan RTX

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Turing Architecture

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all Turing cards were meant for AI and Deep Learning

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Not Volta?

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Volta was for high-process crunching, Turing is based on Volta

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an evolution, per se

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Pascal didn't go where they needed, or volta was more effective and efficient, so they developed it further and shipped it with consumer cards

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that's how it's able to handle Accelerated Ray-Tracing the way it does

full flint Oct 17, 2019, 2:48 AM

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@green sluice

📎 ss_2019-10-16_at_10.48.21.png

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(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

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C: is not my games drive...it's not detecting my games drive.

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aaaaa

green sluice Oct 17, 2019, 2:51 AM

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That sucks

full flint Oct 17, 2019, 2:52 AM

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even the Xbox app picks them up

📎 ss_2019-10-16_at_10.52.20.png

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this is weird

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restarting didn't fix it, and there's no updates

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the Update Troubleshooter didn't find an issue. welp. guess I'm just gonna have to clear a bit of space first

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as soon as CryEngine launcher updates

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oh

📎 ss_2019-10-16_at_11.09.06.png

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but.....why?

autumn sluice Oct 17, 2019, 3:27 AM

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Oh

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Maybe it needs to be with the same HD as the windows store app

full flint Oct 17, 2019, 3:29 AM

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no, it's not that

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I just installed it and moved it

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it's just an annoyance

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📎 ss_2019-10-16_at_11.30.27.png

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(also that really low contrast on the progress bar, took me many months to realize it was actually moving)

full flint Oct 17, 2019, 3:46 AM

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it doesn't have borderless fullscreen though

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so it minimizes on focus loss 😐

full flint Oct 17, 2019, 7:40 AM

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Does system drive mean OS drive?

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yes

autumn sluice Oct 17, 2019, 8:14 AM

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Yea so it must need to be installed with the store drive for some reason

full flint Oct 17, 2019, 11:58 AM

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Huh, normally that only applies to stuff like visual studio, office and other apps. Not games...

full flint Oct 17, 2019, 5:07 PM

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Re-Elected on PC currently resets window resolution when you reopen the game

autumn sluice Oct 17, 2019, 7:20 PM

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Oof

smoky flame Oct 18, 2019, 11:30 AM

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trailer for RDR2 PC is looking great. Cannot wait for November 5th!

full flint Oct 18, 2019, 3:00 PM

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Have not seen it in any resolution higher than 1080p... Also youtube compression. I will assume it will look better in person.

full flint Oct 18, 2019, 4:37 PM

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It will.

full flint Oct 20, 2019, 1:14 PM

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why does Windows 10 take up so much space for "system and reserved"

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20gb

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that's not a lot

ruby spear Oct 20, 2019, 1:26 PM

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And much better than unnecessary slowdown or crashes due to lack of space

full flint Oct 20, 2019, 9:22 PM

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@full flint 20gb is quite a bit for an OS

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especially considering AAA games are usually 80gb if not more shouldn't you be squeezing out all the space in your drive you possibly can?

thorny cypress Oct 20, 2019, 9:26 PM

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20GB is NOT a lot for an OS, especially when you consider that usually includes things like page file, temporary storage, etc

warm crater Oct 20, 2019, 10:49 PM

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I have to agree, 20GB is not a lot. Maybe like 60GB would be good, but thats just imo

full flint Oct 21, 2019, 5:32 AM

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Hello I ah mere to discuss the pc haming

full flint Oct 21, 2019, 7:58 AM

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Have any of you used the wd black and is it any good as a game drive? Or just get an SSD?

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I avoid WD personally

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they've claimed Seagate's mantle of worst in reliability on drives 4tb and under

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Ah I will get maybe the intel 660p then, or a 1TB sata based ssd if scarlett gets one (or better)

smoky flame Oct 21, 2019, 8:32 AM

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I have a WD Black HDD, 2TB. Just works. Been part of my PC build since I built it back in 2016

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tbh my next storage is going to be a plain and simple 1TB SSD. Reason? More than enough storage for the OS, game launchers and some games. Can only usually play one game at any given time anyway so makes sense imo

full flint Oct 21, 2019, 10:21 AM

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Yeah although installing and reinstalling games can take a long time depending on the connection

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with 1tb there's enough of a buffer though

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Depends considering newer games are 150GB+ in size

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So imagine installing that with a sub 100Mbps connection

smoky flame Oct 21, 2019, 10:29 AM

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luckily I have a connection that is quite a bit faster than 100mbps or less. Average download speeds my connection claims to achieve is up to 300mbps and there is even a 150mbps minimum guarantee so I really don't expect to fall below 150mbps even at peak times

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Worst case scenario, at 150mbps (18.75MB/s) it will take over 2 hours to download a 150GB game (67.5GB/hour).
Best case scenario, at 300mbps (37.5MB/s) it will take a little over 1 hour to download that same 150GB game (135GB/hour)

full flint Oct 21, 2019, 11:43 AM

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I believe my connection caps out around 8MB/s, and I rarely get there...

wheat garden Oct 22, 2019, 1:05 AM

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@full flint how many mbps per second

full flint Oct 22, 2019, 1:48 AM

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Yes

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In all seriousness, just multiply by 8

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8 bits = 1 byte

autumn sluice Oct 22, 2019, 3:39 PM

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Actually just divide your speed by 8 for your MB

full flint Oct 22, 2019, 4:13 PM

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He gave his speed in bytes

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You’re not gonna divide 8 megabytes by 8 and say your speed is 1 megabyte

smoky flame Oct 22, 2019, 5:26 PM

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new nvidia driver available. 440.97

plucky marsh Oct 22, 2019, 5:34 PM

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Just downloaded, thanks. 🙂

full flint Oct 23, 2019, 12:09 PM

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Will download soon

sand basin Oct 26, 2019, 12:04 AM

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everybody rushes to update and here i am still sat 431.60 lol

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rdr2 ? will it be on eggbox pc store ?

full flint Oct 26, 2019, 12:08 AM

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what's an egg box

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eggs usually come in cartons, no?

sand basin Oct 26, 2019, 12:10 AM

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you know the eggsbox one ?

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and no eggs usually come out of a chickens butt

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https://tenor.com/view/chicken-egg-hatching-hatch-gif-12430500

full flint Oct 26, 2019, 12:15 AM

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if you want a serious answer, ask a serious question

sand basin Oct 26, 2019, 12:21 AM

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FINE . will rdr2 be on xbox pc store ?

full flint Oct 26, 2019, 12:30 AM

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first mw crashes my x

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now cant play outerworlds on my pc

ruby spear Oct 26, 2019, 12:30 AM

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If you mean the Windows 10 store, then no.

full flint Oct 26, 2019, 12:30 AM

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says exe isnt there

ruby spear Oct 26, 2019, 12:31 AM

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https://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/61153/Red-Dead-Redemption-2-Coming-to-PC-November-5th

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Details the platforms.

full flint Oct 26, 2019, 12:34 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/GmgRrlU.png

ruby spear Oct 26, 2019, 12:37 AM

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Try reinstalling

full flint Oct 26, 2019, 12:38 AM

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already did

smoky flame Oct 27, 2019, 1:23 PM

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thought I'd download Fallout 4 on my PC again seeing as I hadn't played it in a while (over 2 years). Really didn't last long. Uninstalled it 20 minutes later. Didn't even get to Concord. Fallout 4's game engine and graphics are a sight for sore eyes unmodded.
Sure, I could have modded the game to have it look more beautiful but why should a user have to do that? Still doesn't solve all the game engine problems. Safe to say I won't be touching that game ever again for sure

plucky marsh Oct 27, 2019, 1:24 PM

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Sounds like you've had a fallout with the game. 😦

smoky flame Oct 27, 2019, 1:27 PM

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lol, could say that. Originally I wanted to give it another chance. Started off well but yeah. Right from the off I felt I wasn't having much fun. Performance was good but that was all

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Hard to believe that come November 10th Fallout 4 will be 4 years old

full flint Oct 27, 2019, 1:47 PM

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For some reason I am fine with vanilla skyrim

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And yes I have a 144 hz monitor, so the 2011 game will have issues

autumn sluice Oct 27, 2019, 2:45 PM

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But modding is the best part

full flint Oct 27, 2019, 2:49 PM

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And difficult if you can’t follow the guides properly... Tried with special edition but the mods stopped working after an update (SKSE64). I also did the og but i gave up after sky ui. original patch and some other stuff... Wonder how long it would take me to get am enb to work...

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Might do it again sometime but not sure how long it would take, and which version of the game to go for (i have not played dragonborn or dawnguard dlcs yet lol)

smoky flame Oct 27, 2019, 2:56 PM

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I loved Skyrim. Haven't played much of it on PC or even the special edition but the save I had going on the 360 a while back was awesome. Skyrim on the 360 may have a lot to say as to why I like open world games today

full flint Oct 27, 2019, 2:57 PM

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I have played the ps3 game not dlc though

autumn sluice Oct 27, 2019, 3:52 PM

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Just use Nexus mid manager

full flint Oct 27, 2019, 3:57 PM

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Thats what i use...

smoky flame Oct 27, 2019, 4:31 PM

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doing a Shadow of the Tomb Raider benchmark at maxed settings (+ Ray tracing) on my 1080 Ti. Surprisingly it is holding up pretty well or at least what is to be expected of a GPU with no RT cores

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Averages 48 fps. Not bad, I think

azure flicker Oct 28, 2019, 12:03 PM

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@smoky flame
Funny thing is I got skyrim on the PC once I finally finished my PC build. Haven't touched it ever since

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eris

full flint Oct 28, 2019, 1:39 PM

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been a long time since i've been here

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well, i changed my PC build goal since last time, the 3400G wasn't going to cut it for high level performance on games

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@smoky flame yo what is the Radeon equivalent of a 1080Ti

smoky flame Oct 28, 2019, 1:57 PM

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5700 XT comes really close to the 1080 Ti

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKxE6yIxAsg

full flint Oct 28, 2019, 1:58 PM

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what do you mean

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the 5700XT is a competitor of the RTX 2070 though

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much more powerful than the 1080Ti

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wait nvm

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the RTX 2070 isn't more powerful than the 1080ti but still

smoky flame Oct 28, 2019, 2:00 PM

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1080 Ti = 2080 pretty much

full flint Oct 28, 2019, 2:00 PM

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how does the most powerful Radeon lose to a 1080ti something is sketchy here

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no the 1080 Ti is more of a 2070/2070Ti

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or a 2070 Super

smoky flame Oct 28, 2019, 2:01 PM

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nothing sketchy. 1080 Ti is a very impressive GPU

full flint Oct 28, 2019, 2:01 PM

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i mean yes

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i was going to get an RX 580 w/Ryzen 1300X

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which beats the Xbox One X in performance i'm pretty sure, the 1050 Ti (a GPU that's weaker than the 580) has ALMOST similar performance than the X (the X is more powerful) but since the 580 is better than 1050 so it might break the gap

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after buying this PC i might get a Xbox One S again too

smoky flame Oct 28, 2019, 2:03 PM

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ok, I stand corrected. 1080 Ti = 2070/Super

full flint Oct 28, 2019, 2:03 PM

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Ti > Super > Base btw

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Ti is more powerful

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than the 1080ti, so the RTX series beats it

smoky flame Oct 28, 2019, 2:04 PM

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there is no 2070 Ti

full flint Oct 28, 2019, 2:04 PM

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wat

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they didn't make a Titan version of the 2070?

smoky flame Oct 28, 2019, 2:05 PM

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nope, just the 2070 and 2070 Super

full flint Oct 28, 2019, 2:05 PM

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that's what i call real uncool

smoky flame Oct 28, 2019, 2:06 PM

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only Ti GPU in nvidia's 20 series is the 2080 Ti

full flint Oct 28, 2019, 2:06 PM

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that's honestly uncool

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and to think Ti was made common after the GTX series

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i stand corrected the Xbox One X GPU is less powerful than the GPU i was going to put in but the X has more VRAM and memory bandwidth but eh

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the amount of VRAM on the X GPU is stupidly high.

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like, 12 GBs is amazing for a console

smoky flame Oct 28, 2019, 2:10 PM

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btw, not sure if you know but the 2070 is a TU106 chip GPU while the 2070 Super is TU104. The same chip as what is found in the 2080 and 2080 Super. Just has a bunch of shading units (cores) and texture mapping units (TMUs) disabled

full flint Oct 28, 2019, 2:12 PM

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oh

smoky flame Oct 28, 2019, 2:19 PM

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Xbox One X specs https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/xbox-one-x-gpu.c2977
RX 5700 XT specs https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-5700-xt.c3339

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12GB on a console is good but it is not all dedicated to the games

full flint Oct 28, 2019, 2:50 PM

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Does the Xbox One X have RAM on it? (not vram) Can’t find anything on it... I assume it would be needed for the OS, caching and whatnot

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A good thing about a PC though is that you are not capped at 30 or 60 fps in games, you can go higher, often in the 100 range on some titles

autumn sluice Oct 28, 2019, 2:53 PM

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All the xbox's have actual ram

full flint Oct 28, 2019, 2:53 PM

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how much is the question

autumn sluice Oct 28, 2019, 2:54 PM

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Iirc 8gb

heavy marsh Oct 28, 2019, 2:54 PM

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12gb ddr5

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but idk anything about vram or nah

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ah: The console comes equipped with an eight-core CPU clocked at 2.3GHz, alongside 12GB of GDDR5 RAM. It features a GPU clocked at 1172MHz leaving the console with 6 teraflops of graphical computing power. The specs in the Xbox One X are pretty extensive, and should help usher in a new era of 4K HDR gaming in the living room.

But before you jump on the PC Gamer forums to tell them how consoles have finally surpassed PCs in terms of value performance, just know that unlike a video card’s dedicated VRAM, the Xbox One X’s 12GB of RAM is split between the system and the GPU (i.e. you wouldn't be comparing apples to apples).

full flint Oct 28, 2019, 2:57 PM

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I know the original and s has 5 for games and 3 for OS (may have changed), but the X has GDRR5, which is found on gpus like Nvidia 1080ti...
On wikipedia it states 9GB is for games, so I assume 3GB is for the OS. Not sure where they got this info from though...

ruby spear Oct 28, 2019, 2:59 PM

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https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-microsoft-gives-more-memory-to-scorpio-devs

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https://twitter.com/Qwik/status/872834422675873792

Mike Ybarra (@Qwik)

We’ll keep tuning Scorpio to empower creators to share the best versions of their games. Unlocked extra GB of RAM for them, now 9GB of GDDR5

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heavy marsh Oct 28, 2019, 2:59 PM

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oh there ya go

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rhinne with the save

full flint Oct 28, 2019, 2:59 PM

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Cool from qwik himself

heavy marsh Oct 28, 2019, 3:00 PM

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i cant trust him - hes not even an Xboxer!!

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😉

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Ha, he's now an ex-boxer

smoky flame Oct 28, 2019, 3:05 PM

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GDDR5 isn't DDR5. Also, the 1080 Ti has faster vram as it uses GDDR5X.

heavy marsh Oct 28, 2019, 3:08 PM

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thats true, as the G is for GPU ram

full flint Oct 28, 2019, 4:06 PM

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Oh I am thinking of the 900 series cards then

full flint Oct 28, 2019, 5:43 PM

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Dedidaded wam

full flint Oct 28, 2019, 7:18 PM

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@smoky flame Xbox One X uses GDDR5X

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iirc

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hm, guess not.

full flint Oct 28, 2019, 8:40 PM

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wow

full flint Oct 29, 2019, 12:47 AM

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@green sluice worst news ever. now I'm going to be sunk in space for a week 😂

📎 4597952ff3.png

green sluice Oct 29, 2019, 12:48 AM

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lol

full flint Oct 29, 2019, 1:42 AM

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📎 Star_Citizen_10_28_2019_9_41_38_PM.png

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absolutely painful

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I was just curious what the gamepad controls were

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I regret it

full flint Oct 29, 2019, 2:17 AM

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I decided to land here. it is hot

📎 Star_Citizen_10_28_2019_10_12_26_PM.png

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📎 Star_Citizen_10_28_2019_10_18_10_PM.png

full flint Oct 29, 2019, 3:03 AM

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📎 Star_Citizen_10_28_2019_10_37_12_PM.png

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📎 Star_Citizen_10_28_2019_10_38_07_PM.png

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Spaec

grand panther Oct 29, 2019, 12:35 PM

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What game is that?

ruby spear Oct 29, 2019, 12:43 PM

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Star Citizen

grand panther Oct 29, 2019, 12:45 PM

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Ok

full flint Oct 29, 2019, 12:51 PM

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Think it is still in early access

smoky flame Oct 29, 2019, 1:14 PM

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Ok, bot blocked my original message but there is a new update for Nvidia GPU users. 441.08

full flint Oct 29, 2019, 1:20 PM

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What on earth is the 1660 super

smoky flame Oct 29, 2019, 1:48 PM

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an improved 1660. Tbh the 16 series is a strange one. Nvidia should have stuck to 20 series and launched a 2050 - as pointless as it may have been it would have been considered a budget RTX card and an improvement over the 1050/1050 Ti

smoky flame Oct 29, 2019, 9:57 PM

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anyone know if games downloaded through the windows store locks down settings etc? Want to know as I have applied a few nvidia control panel tweaks and want to be sure they actually work and aren't being blocked

full flint Oct 29, 2019, 10:07 PM

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If not you can set it for certain applications...

smoky flame Oct 29, 2019, 10:18 PM

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that is pretty much what I have done though I have applied said tweaks to every game I have downloaded so if it doesn't work I can change them but that would be a shame considering nvidia launched a few new features with the latest update

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Can now upscale and sharpen from the nvidia control panel. Basically set your monitor to say 1080p, 1440p or 4K - Whatever the native resolution is then in game drop the resolution setting down and leave the rest to the nvidia control panel. I'm trying 720p upscaled to 1080p + image sharpening. Should mean I get improved performance

full flint Oct 30, 2019, 5:35 AM

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Think the 1650 super is gonna be nvidias new budget card?

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I’m expecting like $180

full flint Oct 30, 2019, 12:50 PM

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The 1660 super is $230 I believe

heavy marsh Oct 30, 2019, 1:01 PM

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worth upgrading if i have a 1650?

full flint Oct 30, 2019, 1:01 PM

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not that much of a difference likely. but we'll see.

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the 1660 super maybe, but that's a marginal upgrade at best

heavy marsh Oct 30, 2019, 1:07 PM

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ah

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i upgraded, cheaply, from a 960 2GB to this 4GB 1650. i very much like the snappiness i got from it

full flint Oct 30, 2019, 1:10 PM

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It should be good upgrade

full flint Oct 30, 2019, 2:01 PM

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I would keep the 1650 depending on what you do

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yeah, I'd wait for a more substantial upgrade

full flint Oct 31, 2019, 4:47 AM

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I’m here to say you’re all wrong

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The 1650 to 1650 super is a substantial upgrade

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Like bigger than any previous super upgrade

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📎 image0.png

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yes, but as a longevity upgrade it's not

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not with the next gen consoles around the corner

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Well if we wanna talk futureproofing

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That’s a whole different deal

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that's what I said though

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substantial upgrade

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I think for upgrading in more of a “modernizing” rather than fully upgrading, this is gonna be a great card

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gddr6 is gonna carry for a long time

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depends

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the curve of power's been accelerating

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Like in that card. Not as a whole

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oh

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You’re going from gddr5 to 6 with the super upgrade

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yeah. but I always like looking at the big picture

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that, and we're supposed to be seeing HBM3 in the next year or so

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Well ampere is on the horizon for the next 6 months

full flint Oct 31, 2019, 1:26 PM

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The new steam UI thing is official

smoky flame Oct 31, 2019, 1:53 PM

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cool

full flint Oct 31, 2019, 1:57 PM

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If your PC is set to open steam on startup it will update automatically. I do not think you can revert back to the old UI either

plucky marsh Oct 31, 2019, 5:03 PM

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Ive been using it for a while, I quite like it

full flint Nov 1, 2019, 2:51 AM

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Just imagine ray tracing on Sea of thieves

autumn sluice Nov 1, 2019, 7:53 PM

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🤔

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@full flint not sure if ok

full flint Nov 1, 2019, 7:56 PM

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@shut river yeah. we don't allow solicitations and advertisements, that being said even if we did this wouldn't be a good place to ask since most people here aren't

shut river Nov 1, 2019, 8:06 PM

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okay, thanks

full flint Nov 4, 2019, 1:47 PM

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Hey! Does anyone know if I can create a party in Rocket League with my friend if I'm on xbox and he is on steam?

ruby spear Nov 4, 2019, 1:49 PM

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Yes

full flint Nov 4, 2019, 1:52 PM

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Awesome, thanks!

ruby spear Nov 5, 2019, 1:36 AM

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@celest gulch No, it doesn't support cross-platform

celest gulch Nov 5, 2019, 1:40 AM

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I’ve been a ps4 gamer in the past currently building my first pc and I like the idea of cross platform between the two so I may switch in Black Friday. For releasing games is this something that sometimes comes later? And what about this play anywhere? Is it a work around to connect to console?

full flint Nov 5, 2019, 1:40 AM

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Ubisoft announced crossplay for their multiplayer titles, but that hasn't gone into effect yet

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so at the moment it's tentative for existing titles

ruby spear Nov 5, 2019, 1:41 AM

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Play Anywhere is an Xbox/Win 10 thing. You buy the game on either Xbox or the Win 10 store and you also get it on the other platform for free.

Some games do add cross-platform multiplayer in later updates, but that was more when cross-platform was in its infancy.

It will be something that we see included more commonly going forward, but I would be surprised if Ubi add it to Breakpoint. They already have a ton of work to get that game up to scratch as it is.

celest gulch Nov 5, 2019, 1:43 AM

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I haven’t got to play it yet, been on strike for 2 months so I didn’t want to spend money. Was a big wildlands fan though I still play it actually.

ruby spear Nov 5, 2019, 1:44 AM

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If you're a big Wildlands fan, don't get your hopes up too much. Maybe just play Wildlands again 😄

full flint Nov 5, 2019, 1:44 AM

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yeah, vastly different from wildlands as it stands

celest gulch Nov 5, 2019, 1:46 AM

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It was advertised as wildlands with survival aspects added. Friends who work at GameStop say it’s being returned constantly because it could be a good game on its own but it isn’t wildlands 2.

ruby spear Nov 5, 2019, 1:46 AM

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Advertising and reality are very different things.

full flint Nov 5, 2019, 1:47 AM

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among how they did monetization and mechanics

ruby spear Nov 5, 2019, 1:47 AM

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It's a poor sequel with a lot of flaws.

celest gulch Nov 5, 2019, 1:47 AM

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Most I’ve seen is where the guys can’t figure out how to cross terrain and you’re constantly looking for the next level of the same gun you already have like in the new AC titles.

ruby spear Nov 5, 2019, 1:47 AM

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Poor enough that Ubisoft have delayed all their big hits they had lined up for the rest of the generation.

celest gulch Nov 5, 2019, 1:47 AM

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Dang

ruby spear Nov 5, 2019, 1:48 AM

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Although, I still think part of that decision is so that they can double dip and also release on Scarlett and PS5.

full flint Nov 5, 2019, 1:48 AM

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it's more the point of wanting a good fiscal year next year since this year's so far was decent

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less than either of the other two

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which in-turn hurt them further

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which, I guess that could still play into the double-dip mentality

ruby spear Nov 5, 2019, 1:50 AM

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They already confirmed the double dipping is happening.

full flint Nov 5, 2019, 1:51 AM

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will be interesting since both PS5 and Scarlett will be back-compat with their 8th-gen predecessors

celest gulch Nov 5, 2019, 1:51 AM

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I wish they would release more info now about Scarlett and PS5. It would influence my decision of what to buy this year

ruby spear Nov 5, 2019, 1:52 AM

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Sony are supposedly doing their reveal in February

celest gulch Nov 5, 2019, 1:52 AM

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Since I sold my 4, account and games to my oldest to let him celebrate having a job and money.

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Yeah I just like Black Friday deals

smoky flame Nov 5, 2019, 1:53 AM

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Watch Dogs Legion was one major Ubisoft game to be delayed. Makes things a bit awkward as it could be DOA with Cyberpunk 2077 coming out around a month after the original release date of Watch Dogs Legion

ruby spear Nov 5, 2019, 1:53 AM

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https://www.gamesradar.com/uk/new-leak-claims-ps5-will-be-revealed-in-february-2020-alongside-news-of-ghost-of-tsushima-and-more/

gamesradar

New leak claims PS5 will be revealed in February 2020, alongside n...

Rumours of PlayStation Meeting 2020 point to a PS5 reveal happening in February next year

celest gulch Nov 5, 2019, 1:54 AM

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I have no brand loyalty so I’m going purely off what is better for me. I do like what I’m reading about Xbox’s game subscription and cloud gaming though.

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PlayStation now was and still continues to be a joke vs Xbox’s membership.

full flint Nov 5, 2019, 1:54 AM

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Cyberpunk 2077, Doom Eternal, and several other major titles are releasing in Spring

ruby spear Nov 5, 2019, 1:55 AM

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Xbox for me first, purely because of the whole ecosystem, but I will no doubt get a PS5 further down the line for the exclusives. But hopefully all these new studios will put an end to the weak line-up on Xbox.

full flint Nov 5, 2019, 1:55 AM

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PSNow is pretty much changing to match MS's model with gamepass

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Sony's been playing nice with PC, but so far only on the EGS front

ruby spear Nov 5, 2019, 1:55 AM

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Yeah, except for still streaming the PS3 side of things.

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But we've pushed this talk from PC cross-platform into console talk, so probably best to move it out of #pc-gaming now

celest gulch Nov 5, 2019, 1:56 AM

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Yeah, I’m still shopping for parts and hoping my first pc build doesn’t waste money.

smoky flame Nov 5, 2019, 1:57 AM

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as excited as I am for the new consoles I made a full switch from console to PC gaming earlier this year and don't really plan on looking back. I mean, why would I? PC gaming is amazing!

full flint Nov 5, 2019, 1:58 AM

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PC is still reliant on consoles

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it's a game of slinky between the two

celest gulch Nov 5, 2019, 1:58 AM

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I only want a PC for the exclusives to it. It’s 2019 and I’m building a PC for wow classic after only owning a chrome book for years.

smoky flame Nov 5, 2019, 1:59 AM

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what you got so far for pc parts Ambroas?

full flint Nov 5, 2019, 1:59 AM

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a good tool to use is http://pcpartpicker.com

celest gulch Nov 5, 2019, 2:00 AM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Ambroas/saved/NscXvK

smoky flame Nov 5, 2019, 2:01 AM

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beat me to it but yeah, pcpartpicker is must use. Allows you to create builds and can be fun with making challenges and stuff

celest gulch Nov 5, 2019, 2:01 AM

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Yep I’m using it, been on the discord buildapc

full flint Nov 5, 2019, 2:01 AM

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I mean

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it's not a must use

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but it's useful

celest gulch Nov 5, 2019, 2:01 AM

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I like that it tests compatibility

full flint Nov 5, 2019, 2:01 AM

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I've thrown desktops together from parts I have laying around my room

smoky flame Nov 5, 2019, 2:02 AM

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link is private btw

celest gulch Nov 5, 2019, 2:02 AM

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Yeah this is my first time, more of a budget build

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Oh one sec

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https://pcpartpicker.com/b/M4HhP6

smoky flame Nov 5, 2019, 2:07 AM

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nice 🙂

celest gulch Nov 5, 2019, 2:07 AM

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Have to find a new 580 though. I had one there for $110 but it disappeared and Amazon has them for $180. Switched my ram earlier today

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I did have ballistix 3000 16gb and they were $20 more.

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I’m still worried it won’t be powerful enough.

smoky flame Nov 5, 2019, 2:09 AM

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what is it you plan to play and at what resolution and framerate?

full flint Nov 5, 2019, 2:10 AM

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might be worth looking into the 1650 Super

celest gulch Nov 5, 2019, 2:11 AM

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Wow classic for me, my son would like a duplicate of it for fortnite and rainbow 6. 1080 75hz monitor

full flint Nov 5, 2019, 2:11 AM

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ahhh 75hz

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such a painful and obscure number

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don't recommend

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games usually break when you leave the standard increments

celest gulch Nov 5, 2019, 2:11 AM

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Why not? I’ve never actually paid attention to monitor rates in the past

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Ahh ok, so what is standard?

full flint Nov 5, 2019, 2:12 AM

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increments of 30 typically

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144hz is the outlier

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as it's a direct replacement for 75hz

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but in the high refresh-rate range

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144hz has more optimizations geared towards it than 75 does or did

celest gulch Nov 5, 2019, 2:13 AM

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Do you prefer tn, vs or ipa?

full flint Nov 5, 2019, 2:14 AM

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ips?

celest gulch Nov 5, 2019, 2:14 AM

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Panel type, something with the screen

smoky flame Nov 5, 2019, 2:14 AM

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tn is cheapest, ips most expensive and va is usually a happy medium somewhere in between

full flint Nov 5, 2019, 2:14 AM

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yeah, ips

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ips display pretty much always for me

celest gulch Nov 5, 2019, 2:15 AM

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I have no idea about the difference but I can get a 22” ipa 1080 60hz for $80 so I’m good with that

full flint Nov 5, 2019, 2:15 AM

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ipa is an alcoholic beverage

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ips is the monitor type

celest gulch Nov 5, 2019, 2:16 AM

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Lol I worked at a bar during the last 2 months of strike

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Voodoo ranger ipa and sweet water

full flint Nov 5, 2019, 2:16 AM

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https://www.windowscentral.com/ips-vs-tn-monitors

Windows Central

IPS vs TN monitors: Which is best for you?

Which of these two popular types of PC monitor should you buy? And what makes them different? Let's break down the facts.

smoky flame Nov 5, 2019, 2:17 AM

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IPS monitors usually have some backlight bleed

full flint Nov 5, 2019, 2:17 AM

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I use IPS because of art and media production

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a cheaper IPS does

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most of the times this won't be the case

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honestly if it boiled down to it, I'd say AMOLED

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but those are tremendously more expensive

smoky flame Nov 5, 2019, 2:19 AM

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va + qled from Samsung might be an option worth looking at too

celest gulch Nov 5, 2019, 2:19 AM

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Yeah since I need to build two desktops and buy 4 laptops for homeschooling I need to budget

full flint Nov 5, 2019, 2:19 AM

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VA and QLED are already different technologies

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I thought AMOLED was exclusive to Samsung phones, OLED is used for monitors and TV's

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QLED is Samsung tech

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AMOLED is not

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it'd never be wise to use an OLED as a gaming display

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not in the PC market

smoky flame Nov 5, 2019, 2:22 AM

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This seems to suggest VA and Samsung's QLED can work together. Of course, VA being the panel type and QLED the tech https://www.samsung.com/uk/monitors/curved-chg70/LC27HG70QQUXEN/

full flint Nov 5, 2019, 2:22 AM

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OLEDs have burn-in and generally slower pixel-response times than any other

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samsung gets pretty proprietary with their stuff, so it's not necessarily impossible

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I'm interested with curved monitors and tried one of them few months ago. While it's great, older games don't support 22:9 ratio so I'm not sure

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even a lot of newer games don't support 22:9

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16:9 is somewhat of a dying breed as well

coral crow Nov 5, 2019, 5:26 AM

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i play on chomreombook

obsidian bobcatBOT Nov 5, 2019, 5:27 AM

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KNSBBan Twoninjas2015#5035 has been banned.

full flint Nov 5, 2019, 8:12 AM

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Bit late but I have a 144hz TN monitor... Not worth it IMO if you plan on doing anything else other than gaming. IPS is good for most things, but you will rarely find 1080p high refresh IPS monitors. If you want 4K, you will need a powerful GPU too.
Also I believe QLED is not like OLED, just uses a quantum dot light emitting diode, it is still an LED, but found on LCD displays... So I think it is like LG NanoCell or whatever they use

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I would also get a intel 660p for the boot drive (1TB) or something like that, don’t bother with anything else. Those can be easily found for $100 and worth it unless you plan on doing a budget system, but then you can easily fit in a Ryzen 5 2600, 16GB ram, rx 570 and 500GB SSD (also Nvme) for $500

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QLED's the opposite end of the spectrum from OLED

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AMOLED is in the center

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QLED's also proprietary to Samsung

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I believe the high end Asus monitors use Quantum dot technology in the monitors too, but they do not brand it as QLED...

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As for AMOLED you can get bad displays, for example the one found on the Samsung J8

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AMOLED is just like any other display though

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What do you mean by that? They are more found in mobile devices I would say

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they're the upgrade to the standard LED display

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I have a phone with Dynamic AMOLED (S10). I have compared it with a Samsung J8 and iPhone X, you can get both bad and good AMOLED (and OLED) displays...

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you can get a good and bad of any display

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it's not exclusive to a specific type

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Calling it an upgrade to standard led makes sense, considering nerly all of them are LCD. Not sure about IPS though, although apple’s retina displays are pretty good

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apple's retina are IPS traditionally

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https://www.overclock3d.net/news/software/red_dead_redemption_2_will_bring_your_pc_to_its_knees_-_even_nvidia_s_rtx_2080_ti_is_challenged/1

OC3D

Red Dead Redemption 2 will bring your PC to its knees - Even Nvidi...

Nvidia's hardware recommendations hint at next-generation graphical settings

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oh buddy

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@full flint all you my dude

full flint Nov 5, 2019, 1:18 PM

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I would rather look at Rockstars requirements than Nvidias... I mean, they made the game

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I'm bettin my everything: It will require little more power than GTA V

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Way more you mean... Nvidia claim this game will only get 4K 60fps on a 2080ti at medium to high settings, GTA V is doable on far lower end hardware... Look at a techdeals video for example

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That game runs 4K 30fps on a console that way less powerful than 2080Ti.

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With stuff like hdr and more... I wonder what Nvidia/Rockstar put in the game which makes it so demanding. We will have to find out from digital foundry or something

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Or it could just be console optimisation, who knows

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@full flint you're not factoring in console's optimization, something PC does not have

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the PC assets are also much higher res

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Someone already has a video of the game with 2080ti sli

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what settings

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Well, R* is very good at optimization imo (GTA V) so they'll do good job on PC

I hope

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nvm he hasnt launched the game yet

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its a livestream not a benchmark... benchmarks will probably come later

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Some people are already downloading the game... It will take a while though

full flint Nov 5, 2019, 9:19 PM

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It’s not that simple though

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When a console game is optimized, what’s really happening is they’re changing the graphical settings to find the most stable combination.

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PC doesn’t have that, because all the settings are up to you.

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And I can entirely believe that this game will need a 2080ti to hit 4k60. With how far devs are letting you crank stuff it’s becoming increasingly demanding. I average 80-90 FPS in borderlands 3 in 1080p with everything cranked up, Definitely couldn’t hold 60 in 4k

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I have a 2080ti btw

plucky marsh Nov 5, 2019, 11:34 PM

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Oh, new GeForce Game Ready Driver available apparently. Yesterday. Version 441.12.

smoky flame Nov 5, 2019, 11:39 PM

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oops yeah, totally forgot to mention it. Been keeping you guys up to date on other recent ones 😄

plucky marsh Nov 5, 2019, 11:39 PM

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Yeah haha, in all honesty I only update when you mention something 😅

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Otherwise I forget to check lol

full flint Nov 6, 2019, 6:23 AM

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Some people say RDR 2 is another GTA IV, optimization sucks and game constantly crashes. Is there any PC user here?

full flint Nov 6, 2019, 7:33 AM

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@full flint as well as the system-integration and performance optimization on the hardware end

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PC has so many services and background tasks going on that the system has to simultaneously process

full flint Nov 6, 2019, 10:10 AM

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Confirmed RDR2 on ultra settings 4K runs at 30fps

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with a 2080Ti?

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Yes, testing games has a video of it

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sounds about right

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mind linking it?

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https://youtu.be/RqGCjIugqm0

YouTube

Testing Games

Red Dead Redemption 2 : RTX 2080 Ti + i9 9900k in 4K

Red Dead Redemption 2 in 4K Vulkan - 00:00 DirectX 12 - 04:57 System: Windows 10 Pro Intel i9 9900k 3.6GHz Asus ROG Strix Z390-F Gaming GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 1...

▶ Play video

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nice, thanks

full flint Nov 6, 2019, 10:47 AM

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Look at the CPU usage too, it is quite low

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it's a GPU-based game

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I wonder how well a titan rtx runs this game, unless that card is effectively a dual card or whatever it is

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it'd run it at 4k@60 lol

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Otherwise you will have to wait for newer gpus or lower settings

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I think also game benchmarks do take a hit to performance if people record it

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not that much

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not with those specs

autumn sluice Nov 6, 2019, 11:30 AM

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Also the game just launched

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A few months of optimization and it'll run better

full flint Nov 6, 2019, 11:31 AM

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not going to bump the framerate up like that though

full flint Nov 6, 2019, 1:24 PM

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Look at GTA IV, it still runs bad

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that's a bit of a different case

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that game was never originally designed with cards over 4gb of memory in mind

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even with the patch, the game has issues when launched through steam, but not on their own

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RDR2 I believe supports 8K resolutions in the game files, so it might have been designed with future hardware in mind. Could be wrong though. We will have to wait for an optimisation guide to see which uses up the highest gpu resources in the settings

full flint Nov 6, 2019, 3:07 PM

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RandomGaminginHD has tested rdr2 on the athlon 200GE

full flint Nov 6, 2019, 5:53 PM

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RDR2 has problems on PC, some people cannot launch the game

full flint Nov 6, 2019, 6:22 PM

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Welcome to PC

full flint Nov 6, 2019, 6:47 PM

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If they aren’t using 1903, latest drivers, newer hardware and so on I can’t understand that, but if they are, it makes sense... Consoles I believe have software updates too, try running a game like outer worlds on older xbox firmware/software... I don’t think thats possible, because you need the newer software in order to run the game in the first place...

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I have also seen older games run fine in linux which won’t in windows 10 (mainly using DXVK).

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I wonder if you can run this game in linux in 3 years or something like that, would be nice to know

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I have i7 8700 and GTX 1060 6GB (bad combo I know) but I will probably be using scarlett or xbox one x to play this game, if ever I play it, unless in the future it can actually run at 60fps on decent hardware

dusty vector Nov 6, 2019, 7:13 PM

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You can't run games on older firmware on console.

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In most cases games are marked with minimum system versions, and I can't remember if the discs for offline use contain the full minimum system update (they did on Xbox 360)

barren knot Nov 6, 2019, 7:14 PM

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You could just drop settings. Some quality settings have very little improvements but big performance impacts.

full flint Nov 6, 2019, 7:41 PM

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Some cannot even start the game for example, but for my 1060 I will have to run the game at 1080p low probably... People bought the rtx 2080ti for rtx and 4K gaming, yet games are more demanding than hardware. For example, I do turn hairworks off in witcher 3, despite owning an Nvidia card.
As for Ems point, that is exactly why you should be using the newest windows 10 version for the newest releases. Consoles need it, so PC should too. I do not see a reason not too.

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The only stuff begs for latest Win10 are MS products.

Most, if not all games still support DX11 which makes them playable on W7 and 8.1

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Rdr2 also works on vulkan api

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I have not seen a single benchmark of rdr2 using direct x 11 though

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game doesn't support it to my knowledge, does it?

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If not, why is windows 7 listed in the minimum requirements?

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windows 7 has DX12 support

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I thought that was only a windows 10 thing, or did they add it in an update?

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https://www.anandtech.com/show/14078/microsoft-brings-dx12-to-windows-7

Microsoft Brings DirectX 12 To Windows 7

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old news

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literally lol

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Get with the times GRAMPS

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Angry

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Very good. This makes W7 usable until DX13 becomes popular.

Btw, I hope Scarlett will bring DX13

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I would prefer vulkan api or something else

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And switch to linux for all games...

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They run surprisingly well with proton from what I have seen

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Anyway direct x for windows 7 article is from 2019... I stopped using windows 7 in 2015...

smoky flame Nov 7, 2019, 12:29 AM

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I don't get how Microsoft are ending support for Windows 7 soon yet they add support for DirectX 12. Strange choice that. Give users a reason to ditch Windows 7 and move to Windows 10. Obviously DirectX 12 support in the state it is in just now isn't too good a reason but I'm sure there is things Windows 10 can do that Windows 7 can't 🤷

full flint Nov 7, 2019, 12:30 AM

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because support hasn't been dropped yet

smoky flame Nov 7, 2019, 12:34 AM

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but will be come January 2020. After that no updates or so they say. Take it that will also apply to future API updates too. Windows 10 users will get them but Windows 7 not likely

full flint Nov 7, 2019, 2:59 AM

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I'm pretty sure W7/8.1 won't get DX13, but DX13 isn't even announced so...

full flint Nov 7, 2019, 12:51 PM

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@smoky flame Windows 7 support will be there for organisations like the NHS in the UK

full flint Nov 7, 2019, 1:06 PM

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I know some corps pays MS for extended support

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Reason is usually their softwares don't compatible with newer Windows versions

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Would be nice if windows 10 had decent compatbility with older software... I know MacOS catalina has ditched 32 bit, Windows may follow it too

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To my knowledge, embedded systems on corporations don't get updates because they have to work 24/7 and even one second stop might cause serious profit loss so it's just not worth the trouble

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Like Windows 10 LTSC or windows 10 LTSB?

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But honestly if you are using an embedded system use server software or similar, unless you can’t do that

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Nope, like this

https://microsoft.fandom.com/wiki/Windows_XP_Embedded

Microsoft Wiki

Windows XP Embedded

Windows XP Embedded, commonly abbreviated "XPe", is a componentized version of the Professional edition of Windows XP. An original equipment manufacturer is free to choose only the components...

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You install this, set the apps you need then never touch again

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You may say "But XP is outdated?",yes it is however:
-It will be much more cheaper than buying a Win 10 license, which doesn't have embedded version AFAIK
-Since it probably won't connect to internet, there is no need of updates so no paying MS for extended support
-It will consume much less system resource than Win 10 does

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But here is pc gaming chat so moving on to something else would be good I guess

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Yeah like I said I would rather use linux + steam + proton than windows 10

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Even though I use windows 10 pro

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I'll give a shot to Steam OS

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Steam OS does not support windows games from what I know, and you cannot use it as a normal machine

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I am talking something like ubuntu, with steam, and proton...

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Basicially steam play I think it is called

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It also uses DXVK and Wine under the hood I think

full flint Nov 8, 2019, 7:32 AM

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https://youtu.be/GTyKqPHtRUo
rdr2 ultra textures mix of medium and high settings

YouTube

Geralt

Red Dead Redemption 2 | RX 580 + RYZEN 5 3600 | 1080p

Without recording, you get +5fps (65fps stable). This is the best settings for graphics and performance I've found. RX 5700XT will be the next :D ● CPU: AMD ...

▶ Play video

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The card will also do ultra 1080p at 30fps

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https://youtu.be/hOHlMn4CxvM

YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

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oh broken link again

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that was a rx 5700xt

slow osprey Nov 8, 2019, 3:49 PM

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Isnt steam os linux with a different kernal?

full flint Nov 8, 2019, 3:51 PM

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no, because it wouldn't be linux if it doesn't use the linux kernel

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it's a full linux

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using the Monolithic Kernel

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I think you can use normal linux on steam os, or is it just steam big picture mode?

full flint Nov 8, 2019, 4:45 PM

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Friend got RDR2 ultra on 4k60 by turning off anti aliasing

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2080ti

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Just the 16x AA or whatever they use?

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Idk. I don’t own the game

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They use TXAA and MSAA I think.

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BTW 60fps is doable even with ultra textures, just turn everything else down..

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He just turned off AA lol

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there's a lot of items to add AA to. to be fair

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I read somewhere you shouldn't use AA at 4K anyway...

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And I believe you can use TXAA and MSAA at the same time on this game, unless I am wrong

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All depends

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Back when I sat really close to a big TV, having a little bit (like 2x-4x) was nice

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Most people who use a 2080ti to play 4K games probably use a 4K monitor, not sure if the same thing would apply

full flint Nov 8, 2019, 5:35 PM

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https://store.steampowered.com/app/1190460/Death_Stranding/

Steam

Death Stranding

From legendary game creator Hideo Kojima comes an all-new, genre-defying experience.

Price

$59.99

Release Date

Summer 2020

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is that the thing with the baby?

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yeah that ps4 game everyone is talking about

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Its available for pre-purchase on steam and the game only came out today

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O ok

full flint Nov 8, 2019, 11:38 PM

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oh thank god they didn't try for EGS exclusivity

autumn sluice Nov 8, 2019, 11:42 PM

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They don't need the guaranteed income from egs

full flint Nov 8, 2019, 11:43 PM

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it's largely funded by Sony

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will be interesting to see the Decima engine running on PC

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Sony's been letting their exclusives release on PC starting with the trickle of Quantic Dream games, so here's hoping they play nice with PC more in the future

thorny perch Nov 9, 2019, 10:38 PM

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anyone want to play jackbox lol

rotund cargo Nov 10, 2019, 1:33 AM

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If y’all could build a pc for gaming with no budget, what would y’all use in it. In other words I’m not a pc or techy person in general but I’m getting a pc built for me with no budget and I wanna know what the best stuff out there is