pc-gaming

[chrome mountain]

Oh shoot you’re right

[patent hound]

Also are you planning on using wifi or ethernet

[chrome mountain]

Probably Wi-Fi

[patent hound]

Then you might want to grab a motherboard that has wifi support (not a huge issue as you can also get a wifi card).

[chrome mountain]

https://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-B550-Gaming-Ryzen-Motherboard/dp/B08LGKGBKT?crid=3O7W5MJTNZ7R5&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.WWGjKIbe7zVGzgoWoyye5QZlRAVYa_ZeeZT1LqVOU9PWlQG3F5nWtkjaI5gIMbSU2SI5N6kRG1J0OjlMfXKyb5f5gXRwh7Dlp7xNE_u2hfRzV9jmX0z6dvlGissA1y_Ghk7R5925Q84Az5GOHW_YQtW8eQ2o_HMzC9nG_gAXYFR0GIrmVmSXi6rAinuhbnpEOJXVi1IJ0jwfL7nMrHLDLsSIdZ0X8hBdCmkXUDh9Qm48ZvOUdqjvHw6e-PCJZeG9E5Bn9ASLGQAgvFXOuroBpWrLizRPc0M9hRmUm_I3Bo8.ANoKTPhlAfBjwwwaCd2e0LT4gLwnhUt7xDCbgzkHtq8&dib_tag=se&keywords=gaming+motherboard&qid=1751228713&s=electronics&sprefix=gaming+mot%2Celectronics%2C174&sr=1-1

this the one I was suggested

[patent hound]

Ok that one doesn’t have wifi so you’ll need a wifi card as well

[chrome mountain]

https://www.newegg.com/tp-link-archer-tx3000e-pci-express/p/N82E16833704507

this one do?

[patent hound]

Yeah that’s fine

[exotic jacinth]

I’ve got one of those in my pc at the moment. I don’t even use the WiFi anymore but nice that it comes with Bluetooth

[patent hound]

Yeah it’s nice that it has both

As that motherboard doesn’t have either

[icy orbit]

but you still dont know when youre buying it

[chrome mountain]

https://www.newegg.com/samsung-2tb-990-pro-nvme-2-0/p/N82E16820147861

this SSD work?

[patent hound]

yeah it’s a good ssd

[icy orbit]

its the best gen 4 ssd if all you do is run benchmarks

but youre just gaming

[chrome mountain]

this pc would cost me 1,200 bucks

meanwhile I could buy a pc for that exact price

[icy orbit]

we went over this before

if youre not buying now stop planning specific components

[chrome mountain]

I suppose I could buy the componets during a sale whenever that is

[icy orbit]

computer hardware typically doesnt go on sale

theyre usually just fake sales

[exotic jacinth]

Maybe some discounts on SSDs for prime sale in a couple weeks

[patent hound]

newegg already has some of the best prices

[icy orbit]

which are subject to change if youre not actually buying it now, which they arent 😊

[noble ginkgo]

Hey, I have been looking to play moded Skyrim with a friend, but from the tutorials I have seen online I cannot find the enable mods option for any game and without having it enabled i keep geting a warning "you don't have permission to open this file, Contact the file owner or an administrator to obtain permission"

If someone has some info on what can i do would be apreciated

[dusky wave]

sorry for the late reply why not just get this one. I was mistaken. i own this motherboard not the one u decided on https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-B550-AORUS-ELITE-Motherboard/dp/B08KGVH7YC/ref=sr_1_1?crid=HU3TD6BFU5VE&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.KZBJ6P-wRFiA7dxbIYfESDOaxLG-8lZijsUsPTGbVufu_WbG-UfOEIDP2jv0-7-59FslfRc3GU8zUh3b0x_90pg9OE0XRWGWRjITRxWs6SYIVYz53Skc_AIPSEZSRTWV7SjgMV2sykFl3eOjm6FbI3oR1GYVfBg1fYOEL99Nqnvr8HpLfETB-bOJXQUkaQwvGRW-FUaLk-8VjwlzPM8zH58rLP0NWD1s48VGIZAKuJROS8iQT-kb840fL3cUXlO-YptuPXdsZrWm11qZY52zPLMQ7eI66Svu3G20NCw6MJY.nvQ4azWwjXB6zVtVwhvc6mXeRnqfy9A43Z9Y8yU-mt8&dib_tag=se&keywords=b550%2Bax%2Bv2&qid=1751239737&s=electronics&sprefix=b550%2Bax%2Bv2%2Celectronics%2C83&sr=1-1&th=1

[chrome mountain]

Okay

[chrome mountain]

Um why is the Rx 7800 XT better than the RX 9060 XT?

Thought bigger the number better the performance

[smoky flame]

Newer and larger number doesn’t always mean better but the 9060 XT should approximately be equal to the 7700 XT. AMD’s naming with last gen (RDNA 3) is about as confusing as it gets but they are following Nvidia’s naming, just with their own twist so to make it much clearer what GPU their 9060 XT, 9070 GRE*, 9070 and 9070 XT are set to be compared with

*where AMD remain to maybe confuse people will be with their limited edition “GRE” cards. These tend to release as China only GPUs at first but then see a global release some time after. “GRE” used to mean Golden Rabbit Edition to ring in the then Chinese New Year of the Rabbit but AMD since renamed that to Great Radeon Edition

[chrome mountain]

Yeah it’s quite strange

[smoky flame]

Simplest way to put it in the end is the following:
5050 = entry level
5060 = mainstream
9060 XT - 5060 Ti = mainstream-midrange
9070 - 5070 = midrange
9070 XT - 5070 Ti = mid-high end
5080 = high end
5090 = enthusiast (or as I like to nickname it “the wallet destroyer”)

[cinder veldt]

the 5050 should be reclassified as "budget" or my favorite "waste of sand"

[dusky wave]

anything under 10 gig vram should be

[cinder veldt]

anything under new 12 gig cards should be ground up and used in pottery and modern glass art sculptures

[dusky wave]

or a toaster lol

[cinder veldt]

also it wasnt really untill the 6000 series cards amd were keeping their names relative to nvid cards

because when the 5000 series was a thing they did 5500, 5600, and the 5700 and stopped

but with the 6000 you had the 6600xt (relative to the 3060) 6700xt (3070) 6800xt (3080) and 6900xt(3090)

its the same with the 4000 series for nvidia however amd just didnt have a response to the 4090

[dusky wave]

my new gaming desk is coming on tuesday

[cinder veldt]

nice

[dusky wave]

i just need to get my new ISP to come and install the internet before i move my setup down a floor lol

gonna upgrade from 500 mbps to 1Gig

[smoky flame]

40 series to AMD's 7000 series didn't scale well at all. At times it felt as though most of AMD cards were a tier down from their Nvidia counterparts. THink it was something like this:
4090 - NA
4080 (SUPER) - 7900 XTX
4070 Ti (SUPER) - 7900 XT
4070 (SUPER) - 7800 XT
4060 Ti - 7700 XT
4060 - 7600 XT

[devout remnant]

Although I’m contemplating going 4K 360Hz - I think I’ll get one more 1440p display and keep it until RTX 6000 Series.

TrueBlack Glossy RGB Tandem OLED just sounds too good.

AKA - Gen4 WOLED.

Game changer because:

• First True Glossy Panel
• More Efficient OLED
• More Colours/More Vibrant
• Much Brighter
• Better Reflection Handling

[smoky flame]

I hope it has support for full bandwidth Displayport 2.1 (UHBR 20 -aka 80 Gbps) and HDMI 2.1 48 Gbps as that sounds like it would be my potential future monitor but I'm still very happy with my LG 32GS95UE. Would love to drive 4K 240Hz without needing DSC as turning it off on my monitor (there is the option to do so but it is pretty well hidden) drops the refresh rate to 120 Hz with 8 bit + dithering

[devout remnant]

It does.

A few monitors now have DP 2.1 80Gb

[smoky flame]

yeah, they were sitting on that for a while seeing as AMD didn't have a consumer GPU that could make use of all that bandwidth. I think even the 9000 series from AMD is still limited to UHBR 13.5 (54Gbps) and Displayport 2.0/2.1 has been around since at least 2022. I remember it as Samsung announced the Neo G9 being one of the first Displayport 2.1 monitors during the same event where AMD announced the 7900 series over 2 years ago

[devout remnant]

Yeah, now though seems like every high end monitor has it which is good.

[frail charm]

whats up chat

[icy orbit]

could you try to cope a little quieter?

8GB of VRAM is totally acceptable on cards that arent even going to utilise more than 8GB

no idea why you called the 5050 a waste of sand just because it doesnt have 12GB

its literally the bottom of the barrel 50 card why would it need 12GB

lisa su! lisa su! please put 48GB of your slowest finest GDDR6 on the 9050! please lisa su!

[cinder veldt]

because the 3050 should've been also turned into back into sand and gold turned into toasters and its going to be the same exact situation with the 5050 that we had with the 3050.

[cinder veldt]

it doesnt need 12 gigs it needs to be scrapped

[cinder veldt]

also yes btw

[blissful carbon]

50 class would have use cases if it had a full x16 PCIe and were cheaper... Unfortunately though...

[green gorge]

ok, I have game pass ultimate, and I have the option to download gta enhanced for free, BUT the Microsoft store doesn't work at all just loads the file location for all of eternity, i try the app, doesn't launch, just stays on the loading screen until it crashes, I've deleted and re downloaded with no avail, the website just redirects me to the app, please help I just want to play some gta.

[smoky flame]

https://www.techpowerup.com/338497/nvidias-v580-driver-branch-ends-support-for-maxwell-pascal-and-volta-gpus RIP 10 series

[exotic jacinth]

Maybe 10 series will finally tank in price on eBay now.

[smoky flame]

could go one of two ways really. Tank due to driver support sunsetting but on the other hand, the nostalgia could have it surge in price seeing as it was the last full GTX series lineup before the change to RTX

[exotic jacinth]

If I can get a 1080TI for super cheap at one point that would be nice for my old build just for a modern nostalgia sake

And just keep it there as a time capsule on a windows 7/10 dual boot

[smoky flame]

somewhat surprised Nvidia didn't go and kill off the 16 series as it would be the end of the GTX series entirely but I can understand why they stick around at least a little longer as they are a bit more recent but I'd guess time isn't really on their side either

[cinder veldt]

itd be comical if they killed of 30 series support tomorrow

[exotic jacinth]

For all the bad stuff Nvidia does they usually at least support GPUs for some time with drivers

[smoky flame]

longer than AMD seemed to do with Polaris and Vega, that's for sure

[exotic jacinth]

I think the 7970 was the longest one they supported that I can remember. That was good for the whole generation at the time

Meanwhile Kepler really suffered that generation and became pretty much obsolete after a couple years

[short lily]

Guys rtx 2080 ti Ryzen 5600 x 32 ram ddr 4 b450 vdh pro or ps5

[patent hound]

In terms of specs the PC is better but I’m unsure why you would even go for specs like that in 2025

[cinder veldt]

honestly

[dusky wave]

I would also go b550 instead of a b450.

[cinder veldt]

you can go for it

the 2080 ti is still a very capable card in the big 25

[versed phoenix]

why though unless they're getting it for dirt cheap

[dusky wave]

Only issue if its not a prebuilt that it may need a bios update to use the cpu on a b450

[cinder veldt]

the 2080ti is around 250 on ebay

[dusky wave]

Its around a 3070 level of perf right?

[cinder veldt]

in or around

sometimes better, sometimes worse

[patent hound]

Better off going for a better performing AMD GPU over that

[versed phoenix]

amd's software is historically so bad they'd have to pay me

[cinder veldt]

i mean the only thing better then a 2080 ti is a 7700xt which is currently 500 dollars

[cinder veldt]

hello gpupro

[versed phoenix]

granted I havent given them a chance in a decade maybe it improved

[cinder veldt]

let me catch you up to speed
AMD dominates Intel and nvidia has worse drivers then AMD now

nvidia had a soild 5 months of driver problems when the 50 series launched

[versed phoenix]

I mean ofc you don't buy hardware at launch

that's a given

[cinder veldt]

i mean it was still happening after launch, for months

also this generation of cards were lackluster

[versed phoenix]

how so? the 5070ti looks sick

16gb of vram

[patent hound]

It’s not that the cards are bad, it’s the prices

[dusky wave]

Yep

[patent hound]

Most do not offer a generational upgrade over the previous gen but the price is a lot more

[dusky wave]

I think some cards are like a few hundred over msrp

[cinder veldt]

to start the 5080 is only like 8% faster then the 4080
the 5070 is very comparable to the 4070 ti in 1440p for double the price

the 5060 is uh not so great

[dusky wave]

I will continue to use my 6800xt until it breaks or i need to turn down res to 720 and low settings for modern games

[cinder veldt]

the 5060ti ((16 gig)) is okay because it actually made a significant lead over the 4060ti

[versed phoenix]

ya i still havent found a game DLSS cant solve on a 4070

[dusky wave]

Not everyone cares for upscaling

I prefer native over using upscaling

[cinder veldt]

if the game couldnt run on modern hardware without upscaling that game was probably not that good in the first place

[versed phoenix]

I would too if the upscaler was FSR

FSR looks terrible

[dusky wave]

Plus the new dlss and fsr both use ai frames

[cinder veldt]

have you seen fs4?

[versed phoenix]

yeah amd is finally taking the ai hardware pill thankfully

[cinder veldt]

also fsr is surprisingly nice at making old games run at higher resolutions, like prototype

[cinder veldt]

this jumble of words makes sense and i dont like it

[versed phoenix]

it's a big deal because it determines the next-gen of consoles too

[cinder veldt]

next gen consoles
in the pc gaming channel

upscaling from 600p is not my interest

[versed phoenix]

pc-gaming in the xbox server

[cinder veldt]

besides both the playstation and xbox will probably go amd again so perhaps we'll be able to upscale from 1080p soon

[versed phoenix]

I just like hardware

consoles have it too ya know

but yeah throwing AI to the side is silly it's the future

[normal plover]

Hey guys. I’ve never built a PC before and I’m trying to build a budget system as a summer project. Is this a decent enough rig or am I wasting money?
MSI MAG A550 BN power supply
Vetroo V5 CPU Air Cooler
G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series (XMP) DDR4 RAM 32GB (2x16GB) 3200MT/s
AMD Ryzen 5 5600X (second hand)
ASUS RTX 3060 12BG (second hand)
ASUS PRIME B450M-K II
CiT Flash ARGB PC Gaming Case, Micro-ATX, 4 x 120mm ARGB Rainbow Fans Included, Tempered Glass
Kingston 512 GB m.2 SSD

The total comes out to around £400.

I’m not worried about peripherals as I use a controller and will hook it up to my tv rather than my monitor

[cinder veldt]

i mean it all looks good, however i would strongly recommend getting a b550 and not a b450

[dusky wave]

Was gonna say the same thing lol

[normal plover]

Is there a massive price difference? I’ve got around £10 of wiggle room right now

[cinder veldt]

cheaper actually

[normal plover]

Wait I’ll just Google it quickly

[cinder veldt]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/NT7p99/asrock-b550m-pro4-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b550m-pro4

80 dollars instead of 120

and Asrock can actually make a good motherboard unlike asus

[normal plover]

Alright, it’s about £4 cheaper than the deal I got on the board. Not bad. Thanks

[cinder veldt]

also dont get a 512 ssd

[dusky wave]

Maybe invest in 1tb nvme if u got the money

[cinder veldt]

if you search up kingston on pcpartpicker they have a 1 tb nvme thats cheaper then the one you're getting

[normal plover]

I chose 512 because I will be running most games on my Xbox still, but I’ll look into this.

[cinder veldt]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/tmbRsY/kingston-nv3-1-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-snv3s1000g

[cinder veldt]

even if its 512 after windows and driver applications its going to be like 400 gigs

[cinder veldt]

also honestly i would get this if i could

its just would be nonsensical to

[normal plover]

Got it. It’s only about £5 more

[dusky wave]

We r assuming u gonna use windows

[normal plover]

Yep

[cinder veldt]

i assume everyone will

[normal plover]

I’m not experienced enough to try Linux yet. Maybe in future

[cinder veldt]

also he is getting a 3060

hes getting nvidia rumbly he is barred from the rotted gates of linux

[dusky wave]

Lol

[normal plover]

Thanks for all your help guys

[dusky wave]

Im a person who follow the kiss rule

[cinder veldt]

sell coffins of yourself?

[dusky wave]

"Keep it simple stupid"

[cinder veldt]

i see

[dusky wave]

Im know enough how to install windows and use mods but not enough to learn how to use linux at all

[cinder veldt]

ive been meaning to try linux i just dont have the space too

[dusky wave]

Buy a larger nvme

Or get a pcie nvme extender

[cinder veldt]

I cant..

my nvme slot is already filled

and im using a pcie riser for another nvme

i have 2 sata ports left

[dusky wave]

Lol

[green ermine]

Does anyone game just straight up delete themselves? Has happened with 2 diff games in the past week

[dusky wave]

No

[smoky flame]

luckily there are Linux distros that keep it simple. Ubuntu, Fedora and Linux Mint to name but a few (there are many others). Only ones to really watch out for are Arch Linux and Gentoo. Arch Linux allows you to make the OS exactly as you want it. Nothing you don't need or but it does require some advanced understanding on how Linux works, definitely isn't as new user friendly as the others that I mentioned that effectively install just like Windows while even coming with the added bonus that you can try before you install it, which I find to be a pretty neat feature. As for Gentoo. As I understand it you compile the whole OS from the ground up. Only thing even crazier than that is LFS (Linux from Scratch) which I think doesn't need anything else said about that lol

[smoky flame]

something I hope to learn how to do before this year is out is learn how to install Arch Linux without using the archinstall script. Makes it a lot more new user friendly but takes away from the achievement of actually making that install your very own as all of the hard work can be done for you pretty quick once you understand all the settings. I can install Arch Linux stupidly quick using this method and it almost feels like I'm cheating lol

[icy orbit]

dont do it

dont listen to the AMD shills

[icy orbit]

this one sucks though

its a complete gamble on which configuration you get and at best its similar to the MP44L - except its still going to die within a few months

also hes in the UK and thats a US link

[icy orbit]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/2x4Ycf/teamgroup-mp44l-1-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fpk001t0c101
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/7hZXsY/kioxia-exceria-plus-g3-1-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-lsd10z001tg8
flip a coin between these 2
identical hardware

if youre really trying to save money and want the absolute cheapest usable drive the MP33 Pro is aight
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/LvGbt6/team-mp33-pro-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fpd001t0c101

[cinder veldt]

i mean, what makes it bad?

[icy orbit]

the fact that its a complete gamble on which exact hardware config you get in the first place should be enough to disaude you from it

but its firmware is pretty rough and is prone to just killing the drive within a short time period

[cinder veldt]

from just general use? like how that one samsung ssd had a bad firmware causing its life span to be cut in half?

[icy orbit]

from just existing yeah

both the NV2 and NV3 have countless different hardware configurations and theres absolutely no way of knowing which config you get without peeling the sticker
at which point you already own the drive and its too late LOL

[cinder veldt]

thats strange and unusual

i guess i cant really test it on my nv2

well honestly i didnt know and i appreciate you correcting my pick in ssd

[icy orbit]

this is NV2 but you get the point

[smoky flame]

AMD shills? All options should be considered carefully seeing as Nvidia tend to be the premium choice while still having driver issues 5 months on from the release of RTX 50 series. I could go into a full on rant about this but I'd rather not

[digital ocean]

hey guys so I'm trying to redeem a gift card for pc Xbox gamepass when i try to redeem they sya give us card information for renewment

i have no card and i don't even wanna renew

[iron spindle]

its a trail and as with all subscriptions you need a card but you can cancel it

[digital ocean]

problem is i don't have any card

[iron spindle]

then you can not use it

[digital ocean]

;-;

[keen bane]

I have 2 kits for ddr4 for a budget 14600k that I snagged from a Newegg bundle for a good price. Intel doesn't have as many issues with ddr4 4400 that AMD tends to have with infinity fabric right? It would be better to use ddr4 4400 with slightly higher latencies than ddr4 3200?

[normal plover]

👍

[slim rain]

can someone tell me why the hell my game installed in german language, my language settings were english. how do i change it to english on pc?

[smoky flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWfMibZ8t00

[grim garnet]

gotten a free gift from discord and it is free game pass, I dont think i can use it so giving it away, first come first serve.

[patent hound]

You can post it in #xbox-game-pass

[grim garnet]

sorry didnt see that tab, thank you*

[mortal root]

any idea why me and my friend's voices are not going to each other on the party talking thing?

on my screen, i see my voice thingy move when i talk, but his is completely motionless. on his screen he seems to be talking but my voice isn't going to him either

[dusky wave]

U could try #1091756150644555946

[mortal root]

oh okay thanks, i will if we can't solve it next time either

[full flint]

What graphics card do you guys have?

I got the RTX 5090

[lunar lily]

rtx 4060 planning to get 9070xt

[floral totem]

RTX3080

[cinder veldt]

7900 gre

[stoic matrix]

PC Game Pass ( 1 month )
Out of Discord Nitro Gifts:

7J9MW-CYD6Q-GQX69-9K6YD-KPX7Z

[hoary shale]

i have a 4080, won't be upgrading for a while

[frank kindle]

does anyone play mc

[smoky flame]

7900 XTX

[patent hound]

4090

[dusky wave]

6800xt

[ruby spear]

5090

[old kayak]

I like the new GeForce now integration into the Xbox app. But I noticed that when I click play on cloud with GeForce now it takes me to the web version instead of the application, which I thought was interesting..

[devout remnant]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/s/ggL6OmvZ8N

Power Reduction, more FPS and no difference - pretty much my experience too.

[smoky flame]

power reduction? I though the whole point in buying Nvidia's flagship GPU was to crank those settings up and not give two flying squirrels about technologies like upscaling or frame generation. After all it is a £1900+ GPU with a TDP of around 575W. I'd be throwing everything, including the kitchen sink at it in terms of graphics settings to give it a workout lol

[dusky wave]

Why power reduction? If u have a 5090 u want power and more power

[smoky flame]

that's what I'm saying

only time I would be using upscaling is when enabling ray tracing or path tracing in supported games as that will still bring this £1900+ GPU to its knees at 4K but I'm still not convinced about frame generation and I highly doubt any attempts at trying to convince me otherwise about it will work

[dusky wave]

Until rt or pt can be played without that big of a perf hit. Im keepping it off

[smoky flame]

I'm doing the same but with my 7900 XTX I do occasionally enable FSR in supported games where FPS drops below 60 just so I can regain that 60 FPS. Can be especially helpful in games that have ray tracing enabled by default with no way to turn off. So far I've found that the FSR balanced preset seems to do just that for me while playing Stalker 2 as otherwise I get between 40-50 FPS at 4K maxed settings and no upscaling active

which isn't bad tbh for a 7900 XTX considering Stalker 2 is also an Nvidia feature game that will favour their own hardware. That is very obvious with Nvidia's full array of technologies in use. DLSS/DLAA, Frame Generation (up to 4x), Reflex and Ray Reconstruction. AMD on the other hand has FSR 3.1 (FSR 4 can be enabled but only on an RX 9000 series GPU) and Frame Generation (up to 2x) but no AMD Anti-Lag 2 to combat the latency hit from Frame Generation

[dusky wave]

For me if u cant play it at native at 4k around 40 to 60ish fps i will drop the resolution to 1440p or something

[smoky flame]

yeah, I'm considering going back to doing that too as I heard 1080p or 1440p set as a resolution vs set via upscaling technologies like DLSS, FSR or XeSS are not equal. There is some performacne loss with the latter. Where a game will allow it run in fullscreen exclusive mode and set to 1080p or 1440p and then try the equivalent preset in DLSS or FSR (XeSS as of version 1.3 has some changes to its presets and are no longer equal to either DLSS or FSR)

[latent gate]

No. You want performance

[obsidian bobcat]

#rules 💵 13. Do not attempt to buy, sell, or trade items or codes in this server or via DM with server members. Do not ask for handouts, free codes, or other freebies either. If a user has a spare code they wish to give away for free, they may do so.

[cinder veldt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLtlZnWZGt0&ab_channel=GamersNexus

no one wants 8 gig cards
i wonder why

[hot gate]

I have a RX7900xtx

play 1440 by 3440, sometimes with a second 1440p standard monitor

[smoky flame]

another 7900 XTX owner

[hot gate]

XD

[smoky flame]

I'm crazy enough to be gaming at 4K with the LG 32GS95UE (WOLED, my precious! lol) but thinking back I should have stuck to 1440p. At least at that resolution the CPU is still factored in while the GPU performs better than at 4K. Kind of a bit late now as I really like my monitor and in some ways to counter what I just said going back to 1440p would be like going backwards. One thing I wouldn't compromise with now though is OLED. WOLED or nothing

[hot gate]

I game on a MSI QDOLED ultra wide

a technology i fell in love with after seeing it in store on a wall demo with other OLEDs next to it

WOLEDs just couldn't recreate the same colors that was almost perfect on the QDOLED

the down side is white burns QD-OLEDs quicker, but I hate white in general, its too bright

oh and I guess console gamers don't realize how important not having enough ram in a system is

[smoky flame]

nice and yeah, I heard QD-OLED can offer a more saturated look as it covers the full DCI-P3 colourspace iirc but on the other hand it has this magenta hue that when gaming in daytime or any light source hits the monitor it may take away somewhat from OLED's expected inky true blacks - something WOLED doesn't have to worry about, though as you said that comes at a bit of a cost with slightly less accurate colours

[hot gate]

it was gold, gold looked truly gold on a QD-OLED, it was washed out on WOLED, the magenta hue doesn't effect me because the only window in my room is behind my monitor

even my QD-OLED TV doesn't get direct sun from the window in living room and who watches movies with lights on?

[smoky flame]

true but always something to kind of have to keep in mind of with QD-OLED in a way. At least until Samsung manage to find a way to not have that magenta hue included on their displays

[hot gate]

also living room window and bedroom window are north and south facing windows

[hot gate]

I do know Samsung displays is working on that, especially for glossy screens

matte and semi-matte hinds it mostly but they also have the down side of not looking as crisp

it took me awhile to find a QD-OLED with a glossy screen and not a semi-matte

[smoky flame]

ooh, that will be interesting to see. Though LG is making some exciting waves with WOLED too. Tandem OLED, RGB subpixel (no more white LED ior odd subpixel layouts that aren't standard RGB). I believe my monitor's subpixel layout is RGWB so its pretty close but not quite there

[hot gate]

their only solution is the anti-glare finish

for bright rooms

[smoky flame]

iirc there was some glossy tech showed off with WOLED recently with an ASUS monitor

[hot gate]

that sound like a pure OLED if they got rid of the white sp

[smoky flame]

idk what to think of a glossy monitor though 😦

[hot gate]

which is very possible, there was news last November of a new means of growing OLED panels that had improved heat dissipation by 35% while being more efficient in other aspects while also allowing the panels to get brighter

Samsung and LG where among the first to adopt it

oh it does all that while making it cheaper to grow

price reductions around 15%

cheaper better OLEDs sounds like a win to me

[smoky flame]

yeah!

[hot gate]

now that I think about it... OLEDs this year have been getting stupid fast Htz

I believe ASUS was talking about a 4k monitor that was 540htz

and its a QD-OLED

ROG Swift Pro PG248QP

[smoky flame]

not sure it was 4K but that would still be possible with either Displayport 1.4 or Displayport 2.1 (80Gbps) + DSC. Only thing is as of right now AMD Pro and Nvidia RTX 50 series GPUs are the only ones to support the full 80Gbps bandwidth Displayport 2.1 allows

[hot gate]

okay not sure it was 4k either, rereading, 1080p 540htz, 4k at 240htz

and graphics cards that can't get anywhere near 4k at 240htz

[devout remnant]

Did you even read it?

~400W down to ~130W with no difference in picture quality but higher fps.

Are you seriously saying just because it’s a powerful & expensive card,

To just auto make it use 3x more power, lower fps?

[devout remnant]

Why?

Because lower power is better… that’s literally why ..

[hot gate]

the power they are talking about is graphics power

not how much power it takes to power it

[smoky flame]

nah, 1080p. Sounds like a dual mode monitor though like what I have. I can select between 4K 240Hz and 1080p 480Hz (though the scaling on the latter being on a 32 inch screen is kind of horrible)

[hot gate]

I was curios on how those dual mode monitors worked

[devout remnant]

1440p 540Hz

[hot gate]

yeah that one

[devout remnant]

Which doesn’t relate to power reduction that I was talking about …

[hot gate]

that one they unveiled recently

[devout remnant]

The one I’ll be getting 😍

Should be out end of the year.

[hot gate]

yep

[devout remnant]

They may have a 720p 720Hz dual mode

[smoky flame]

ofc I read it but idk, it felt like a marketing thing to me in all honesty. Maybe I was just interpreting it wrong

[hot gate]

..... that would look awful

[devout remnant]

Definitely user error

[hot gate]

I have issues with upscalers in general

[devout remnant]

I wouldn’t say it’s “marketing” just because it’s someone’s positive experience that was exactly like my own.

[hot gate]

the cards that would benefit the most from them don't have the VRAM to run them

[devout remnant]

Super cards on their way with more VRAM.

[hot gate]

yeah because that helps the people stuck with a 5060Ti 8gb

[smoky flame]

as for usuing 3x more power for less FPS. The less FPS side of things might not even be a thing as in some cases the 5090 can be held back by the CPU. Such cases include using lower resolutions and/or graphics settings. Cranking those up to the max might only unleash the 5090's true potential while being a very power hungry monster of a GPU too 😄

[devout remnant]

You can’t just invent restrictions that the poster didn’t have

Even if the GPU is held back, it’s clearly using less power for more performance with the FG.

So even if you were at your CPU bottleneck limit, turning it on will still lower power, boost back to that fps.

[hot gate]

the fact that i had to turn off upscalers on my brothers card (he has a rx6600) to get the game to run correctly (MH wilds) because to have the upscaler on it reduced all his setting, turning it off allowed medium setting with higher texture allowance

[devout remnant]

Different situation & not what we’re originally discussing.

[smoky flame]

not inventing anything. Lower graphics settings and resolutions have been known to barely test a 5090. I've even seen it in benchmarks we did where the FPS on both the CPU and GPU side were getting very close and that is the threshold of a CPU bottleneck - when it can no longer keep up with the frames that a GPU is pushing and there is only two ways that can be countered. Buying a more powerful CPU to increase that threshold again (though the 5090 might still hit that ceiling) or increasing graphics and resolution settings that will have the GPU work harder and point the game towards being more GPU bound which for something as powerful as a 5090 should be no sweat

[hot gate]

power usage isn't an issue when you have massive solar cells getting your electricity

[devout remnant]

Again, absolutely irrelevant to what you first said.

You said it’s a 5090 so max it out and let it consume the power draw as apposed to FG which lowers power draw, increases FPS and had no visible quality difference.

[hot gate]

then again, it was spected to handle all the power tools running at once....

[devout remnant]

It simply doesn’t make sense to let it just sit on raw power and higher power draw if you can extract better performance, less power draw without quality compromise. Regardless of anything else.

[smoky flame]

frame generation isn't what lowered power draw. DLSS would have done that and depending on the other settings used that would have kept power draw down while cranking everything up to max and not using DLSS wowuld have done the opposite and given a 5090 a workout. At ~130W that 5090 is asleep lol

[devout remnant]

Absolutely Frame Gen & DLSS4 both did it together - it’s “asleep” but overall it’s performing better…

[hot gate]

problem is to an average user this may seem true but to anyone sensitive to pixels being weird or loading off in general ( I am one of those) weird things like that break my emersion in games, I was playing a game where a character model looked a bit off change camera angle and the character model twisted and contorted

and that is why I just go with pure performance and avoid overpriced AI stuff

[devout remnant]

Again, you don’t even understand the basic argument 😄

[smoky flame]

only becasue DLSS internally uses a lower resolution than native. The only option that doesn't do that would be DLAA and Frame Gneration simply adds anything between 2-4x fake frames so I'm not really sure I could count FPS as being true when frame gen is in use. "120 FPS" with frame gen set to 4x isn't suddenly going to feel like the real 120 FPS when in reality it is 30 FPS

for example*

[devout remnant]

You can’t say that first hand when you haven’t seen it or tested it yourself. You’re just going off personal bias.

[hot gate]

you are talking about how upscalers and frame gen reduce power consumption while making a nearly identical gaming experiance

[devout remnant]

But regardless - arguing against that posters position makes absolutely no sense which is my point to which you couldn’t understand.

[smoky flame]

I have tried the AMD equivalent on numerous games. Much the same feature, just limited to 2x

[devout remnant]

AMD equivalent is not the latest technology that Nvidia has. Sorry, it’s similar, not the same.

[hot gate]

no with FSR4 it is basically the same in fact many stated that FSR4 looks better on moving objects then DLSS 4

[devout remnant]

If there’s two scenarios A & B and B has lower power draw, higher fps and visually the same Quality, then it only makes sense to go for scenario B.

[hot gate]

butterflies where actualling rendered correctly on FSR4 vs DLSS4

[smoky flame]

true but I'm not about to go out of my way to buy a highly expensive GPU just to test 4x frame gen when it is a feature I'm not remotely interested in. I'd rather buy a new GPU for its raw performance in games being a big enough improvement over what I have right now and the only card that really fits that bill right now is a 5090

[devout remnant]

I’m going to politely ignore you because you keep going off topic to what we’re discussing, have a bias against the technologies and also don’t know what you’re talking about.

[hot gate]

that was if they have the same quality, but even with DLSS4 on quality things like the butterflies I had mentioned would absolutly make me turn it off

[versed phoenix]

lol @ FSR better than DLSS at anything

[hot gate]

FSR4 had its issues too

[devout remnant]

You have an amazing ability to create situations and scenarios not relevant to the discussion 😄.

It’s not about what you would do, want to do, or what’s best for you personally based on your own ideas and assumptions & experiences. That’s valid but not being discussed originally.

No one is saying go buy one to test it.

It’s so simple - poster had two scenarios.

A). Native. Higher power draw. Lower fps.

B). DLSS & FG. Lower power draw. Higher FPS. No visible difference.

You then countered and said just because it’s a high end card, option A is better?

That makes no sense.

[hot gate]

moving things FSR4 won hands down, but non moving DLSS4 won

but not by much, it just had less artifacting

DLSS4 still has nasty artifacting at distance

and that is where my words come into play, if there quality was actually the same

FSR4 and DLSS4 have massive issues with anything at a distance

honestly depending on the game I may just lock it at 60fps anyways

if you push the engine past its limit on fps you can actually get visual and coding glitches

[smoky flame]

I think this has been blown way out of proportion at this point and is getting tiresome. I said what I said and stand by that. If I complicated things or went off topic idk how but I feel I stuck to it pretty well

[devout remnant]

I just didn’t see a valid point of picking a weaker position for higher power draw.

You can stick to it of course, no problem, but it makes absolutely zero sense.

[hot gate]

you know FPS isn't everything right?\

[full flint]

can sm1 send his pc i want to see yall pcs

[hot gate]

some games don't need 200,000fps, they run better at lower fps like 30 and 60

[hot gate]

wish I could but sadly I can't send pics yet

[devout remnant]

Two Options:

A). higher power draw. Less performance. Which also means higher temps.

B). Lower power draw. More performance. Lower temps.

You stuck with and said option A is better @smoky flame

[full flint]

oh

@devout remnant can u send ur pc

[devout remnant]

No it’s very heavy and expensive.

[hot gate]

I have an option, with games that fps matter turn it on, in games it doesn't matter lock your frames

[hot gate]

XDD

same budy same

[versed phoenix]

"no visible difference" is cap
there is if you look hard enough, which is what I think is trying to be conveyed

[devout remnant]

Your opinion, but that’s not what’s being discussed here.

I posted a video before where the individual said DLSS Quality looked BETTER than Native.

[versed phoenix]

the game must have used poor anti-aliasing

[devout remnant]

But that’s besides the point.

If you, yourself, couldn’t see a difference, just like the post said, then option B is always the correct one.

[hot gate]

locking your frames prevent the system from using all its resources, plus my gpu never gets hotter then 56*c to begin with and is currently 49 c

and its aircooled

[smoky flame]

I just find it the opposite that option B on something as powerful as a 5090 isn't getting put to more use. Upscaling was designed to allow gamers with lower end hardware a chance to keep on playing games they loved without having to upgrade as frequently as they maybe otherwise would have. Of course, people have a choice in how they play their games and stuff and their chocie was to use DLSS and Frame gen and I have no problem with that. My problem lies solely with the 5090 barely being put to use. I'm sure they could have done the same with a 5070, 5070 Ti or 5080 and got much the same results, no? while saving a whack. Though their primary use with that card was AI related stuff iirc

[devout remnant]

You are using your GPU though.

I don’t understand your position.

You want to “feel” like you’re using it by lowering performance, increasing temperatures and increasing power consumption?

[hot gate]

and you have a point it wasn't designed for powerful gpus to begin with

[hot gate]

the 5090 has an AI side of it (which isn't using the normal cores) that is what runs when you turn on DLLS4 and MFG, in otherwords you are not using a gpu for its intended function

[versed phoenix]

lmao

"you used your gpu wrong"

[hot gate]

honestly using the AI side constantly could have unforeseeable consequences, like damage, because lets be flat out honest, you want to stress constantly the only part of your gpu that isn't designed for that

the AI side isn't designed to be constantly used to replace the gpu side

[devout remnant]

Your point about using a 5060, 5070, 5080 also isn’t the case.

[versed phoenix]

i think dlss is a great tool for performance, but saying there's 0 trade-off is cap

[hot gate]

AI aka tensor cores never existed when DLSS came out

[smoky flame]

if that means it is being put to use with 100% GPU usage then yeah but doing this doesn't stop the likes of DLAA and frame generastion from being used and still displaying high FPS. Take Stalker 2 as an example, reaches 81 FPS at 4K maxed settings with no upscaling or frame gen present (afaik with TPU's settings) DLAA would reduce the FPS somewhat as there is no upscaling applied but instead improves the native image quality so idk take off maybe 5 FPS (76 FPS effectively) for that setting then with Frame gen set to 4x you get what would show as close to 304 FPS. 304 FPS vs 81 FPS

[hot gate]

tensor cores are a much newer part of a gpu, only having existed since ray tracing became NVIDIAs big selling point aka 20 series

in fact that was what they were for is hardware accelerating

so the 20 series could in fact ray trace

how ever badly it could do it

[versed phoenix]

i think we need more hugs instead of frames

🫂

[hot gate]

worse part is NVIDIA uses the lack of tensor cores on their GTX cards as a way to block DLSS from working on them

[hot gate]

agreed

AMD literally called NVIDIA out on that saying upscalers are mostly software and don't need fancy new cores to work

and guess what, they are 99% software

[versed phoenix]

🫂 amd's new cards use more AI hardware but we'll just ignore that

[hot gate]

FSR works on most gpus while DLSS works on only the newer gpus

[smoky flame]

agreed. I think this got heated or it sure felt that way for no real reason. Time I got some breakfast. Be back later

[hot gate]

this was back when FSR3 launched it launched for all cards including NVIDIAs GTX cards

[hot gate]

and AMD did state that they will implement a version that works on previous cards

[hot gate]

btw do your drivers ever suddenly change to the pro version

this is the second time my drivers have changed to the pro version of AMD drivers

[devout remnant]

Not heated from my side at all,
Just baffling,
I still can’t believe anyone could favour higher power draw with less performance 😆

I chuckled when I read it 😝

It’s amusing how a simple scenario becomes convoluted with outside bias that you lose track of someone’s good positive experience when that individual is telling you they were once in that denial phase!

[smoky flame]

nope, my drivers have remained on the gaming side. That's an interesting issue. Did you by any chance install previous Pro drivers? That's about the only way I could think it does that and then Windows maybe then overrides gaming drivers with the pro drivers

I think I need to replace my keyboard. Beginning to double type keys more often 😦

[devout remnant]

Try turning off Keyboard Key Generation 😉

Native Keyboard or nothing

[smoky flame]

lol

[devout remnant]

But on a serious note - my ESC button broke on my keyboard when I was trying to clean it - so I want the Corsair K100 Air keyboard

Just that it’s like what, £250-£300 and I’m really picky with Keyboards so will have to take the risk and see if I like it

[smoky flame]

its always been a thing for me that I believed in since getting into PC gaming that if I was going for high end GPUs (80 SKU or higher end) that I'd be setting and forgetting the graphics settings while still being able to reach 60+ FPS (this was before ray tracing and path tracing and technologies like upscaling and frame generation came along mind you)

[devout remnant]

Which is still the case

But if technology allows a superior position - why not?

People get heated on the method for imo, no real reason.

It’s the end result which matters.

If we said;

A). Driver V1.0

B). Driver V2.0 - lower power consumption, better FPS, same image quality.

Which driver are you choosing?

Now just because Option A & B is using no Ai and using Ai, shouldn’t make a difference if the end result is still better on B.

Which was the whole point of the persons post - that they themselves didn’t believe at first but after trying it - saw it was better.

And hey, I can say the same thing for my experience.

[smoky flame]

I'd rather use it only to assist in times where FPS was to drop below 60 in a game but even that I've been testing resolution vs upscaling and it definitely seems I was right when i said lowering the resolution nets better performance vs using the equivalent upscaling setting. In this case it was me dropping from 4K to 1440p vs setting FSR to quality preset (67% render resolution = 1440p at 4K)

[devout remnant]

That’s your specific use case preference and scenario.

The original point is and always was - you wouldn’t advocate for HIGHER power draw with LESS performance.

Even natively, people undervolt and go for lower power draw with a small performance loss!

So imagine a double win - lower draw and better performance!

[smoky flame]

without knowing the specifics I would choose B as I would take the extra performance. Power savings don't really bother me but would have been a nice little bonus

[smoky flame]

thing is, if I had a 5090 right now I'd be running it at full power and stock. No overclocking or undervolting. Simply keeping it as it was

[devout remnant]

Power Savings are beneficial because it means lower temps.

Lower temps also mean better performance.

Lower temps also mean less noise.

[versed phoenix]

are there really games that strain a 5090

[devout remnant]

Again, which is fine if that’s what you want to do,

But you’re saying you’d choose to run it at 400W with less performance than 130W with more performance.

Again, that’s fine, but it’s the worst choice out the two.

[smoky flame]

there are games that will do that, yeah

[versed phoenix]

im guessing the most unoptimized ones of all time

[smoky flame]

that's soemthing else I really don't worry about seeing as temps are already very good to decent on exisiting GPUs. As is my 7900 XTX doesn't pass 70c under a full gaming load where it will consume around 346W. I also use what is perhaps a very overkill fan curve that may help temperatures somewhat while remaining quieter than stock settings too. With this fan curve my GPU should never reach 100% fan speed. If it did then I would be very concerned

[patent hound]

You can strain a game by maxing out settings. Even 5090 will struggle with path tracing

[smoky flame]

not really unoptmized as such but any game that supports path tracing. Enable that and watch even something as powerful as a 5090 show signs of struggling but that takes ray tracing and turns the quality levels up to 11. Next level/gen stuff so no real surprise there

[hot gate]

nope, only ever install gaming drivers, but after many updates it switches me to pro it is the second time, and I am just going to stick with it

[versed phoenix]

if by struggle you mean run 200+ fps in cyberpunk

4k

[smoky flame]

it won't do that with path tracing enabled. Lucky if it was to maintain 60 FPS while ray tracing would maybe do 80-100 FPS and with ray tracing off entirely you'd get something like 4x the FPS of path tracing all without having to enable any other settings

[hot gate]

no the 5090 struggles to even get anything above 30fps with path tracing at 4k

and that is average

[versed phoenix]

so you're saying the IGN video I just watched wasn't real

[hot gate]

it has dips into the 15 frames

the IGN had MFG and upscaling enabled

[smoky flame]

my 7900 XTX can't even get 10 FPS in DOOM: The Dark Ages when I enable path tracing at 4K maxed settings with no upscaling or frame gen active. Turn it off and have it fall abck to what I guess is software based ray tracing I get 45-55 FPS

[versed phoenix]

oh you guys mean purely native

[hot gate]

pace tracing is ray tracing kicked up to 200%

[versed phoenix]

it was set to dlss quality mode

yeah im not sure why you'd turn off DLSS in that case

gotta weigh the pros and cons

[smoky flame]

biggest pro it has is additional performance but as I've found out comparing an upscaling preset with a lower selected resolution than your monitor's native resolution isn't even 1:1 comparable. Granted that so far I've only tried it on one game and my testing is limited to FSR the sample size is small currently but 1/1 tests so far don't sit well with me for FSR and it took me some time to accept upscaling. That could wipe that out if I find out for sure that I get better performance simply lowering the resolution than using upscaling

[patent hound]

I wish games were as optimised as stellar blade

over 120fps max settings native 4k. No stuttering

[smoky flame]

nice!

[versed phoenix]

id struggle to notice my frames in stellar blade if you get my drift

[cinder veldt]

i just want games to run good in 1440p

[smoky flame]

next game I'm going to compare is DOOM: The Dark Ages. 1440p vs FSR Quality (1440p). Maxed settings (not including path tracing ofc, lol)

[cinder veldt]

also i have found out showing someone in person the difference between 1080p and 1440p very satisfying

[patent hound]

Big difference between 1080, 1440 and 4k

[cinder veldt]

from what ive seen i cant quite tell the difference between 1440 and 4k

1080p vs 1440p is like coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb

[versed phoenix]

I mostly noticed it on text

[cinder veldt]

also va>ips

[versed phoenix]

OLED > anything

[patent hound]

4k OLED is so nice

[cinder veldt]

oled>wallet

i fear burn in and no i will not be using a screen saver'

[versed phoenix]

burn-in is fearmongering

[patent hound]

It is nowhere near as much of an issue now. There are so many protections against burn in

[smoky flame]

after some testing the same thing seems to be happening on DOOM: The Dark Ages too. 2/2 where dropping the resolution is proving to be the better option for performance than using upscaling. There was a 10 FPS gap between the two. 1440p resolution 95-105 FPS and FSR Quality (1440p) 85-95 FPS

[versed phoenix]

that said, I wouldn't do work on an OLED monitor.
it dims static images and that would get old.
for gaming it's great though

[smoky flame]

I think if this stays consistent enough for say 10 games tested it could turn me against upscaling once again. Game sample size may be few but that consistency clearly means something

think I'll check Spider-Man 2 before leaving this for another day but 3/3 really won't be a good look for upscaling

[versed phoenix]

yeah you show those upscalers who's boss

[smoky flame]

3/3. Resolution is coming out the winner again. This time a 15-20 FPS gap between 1440p vs FSR Quality (1440p)

safe to say I'll be thinking twice about enabling upscaling going forward now

only games where this will prove awkward in is the ones where they don't offer resolution changes as some only support borderless windowed mode and the resolution setting is often greyed out as a result. Workaround of sorts would be to instead set the resolution within Windows display settings before opening games that are like that but then that creates an inconvenience as that would mean restarting a game anytime you wanted to change resolution again

[blissful carbon]

There is a reason I went for a 1440p monitor instead of 4k. Performance without needing to use upscaling.

[devout remnant]

Compared to my 5090 which was 40c under full load pumping out 480fps.

Because it’s heavily optimised for performance and temps - so that’s a huge difference to previous GPUs I’ve owned.

[devout remnant]

Yeah getting almost 800 fps was crazy.

[devout remnant]

Yeah it’s why I’m on 1440p until RTX 6000

I think one more gen to make 4K viable for me where I need a balance more towards FPS as I play MP competitively

[patent hound]

Could you not still play 1440p on a 4k monitor

[devout remnant]

Doesn’t look as good

1440p doesn’t scale correctly on 4K monitors.

[patent hound]

Yeah but DLSS helps it

[devout remnant]

No what I mean is if you’re running 1440p it’s not a perfect scale like 1080p > 4K

So on a 4K monitor, you’d want 32”

And downgrading to 1440p doesn’t work 1:1 and then you’re losing PPI regardless

[icy orbit]

yesnt

unlike playing 1080p on 4K which scales perfectly because its just 4x the amount of pixels, 1440p -> 4K is not just a simple 2X the amount
it looks like rubbish

if youre on a 1440p monitor right now try switching the resolution to 1080p and go play a game or watch a video or something

if you dont care though then there is really nothing stopping you playing 1440p on a 4K display

[patent hound]

It didn’t really look bad when I tried it on my 32 inch monitor but I don’t have anything to compare it to

Then again, is there even a point in downscaling to 1440p on a 4k monitor when you can just use DLSS

[icy orbit]

no cuz DLSS is gonna look much nicer than 1440p on a 4K display

personally i dont see the problem with upscalers. i use it on everything i play despite having a 4080 at 1440p. i just always set it to quality and if singleplayer sometimes i just swap to the newest DLSS available.

usually never notice the difference, on the off chance i do its basically nothing.

DLSS 4 is often times better than native TAA anyway

[patent hound]

DLSS quality looks great

I don’t usually go lower but I could for better performance

[icy orbit]

yeah i dont ever see a need to go lower than quality. even if i did, i would probably just lower some other graphic settings instead

[devout remnant]

Exactly this! 👏🙏

[devout remnant]

Someone who understands 😄✨

[smoky flame]

thing is, if DLSS Quality is better than TAA/Native then what is DLAA?

[smoky flame]

I know what it is but I was wondering where it ranks to you and lisquie vs DLSS Quality preset

[devout remnant]

DLSS Quality > Native > DLAA

[patent hound]

Is that solely due to the performance hit or for other reasons

[devout remnant]

I can’t see a difference between Quality & Native so might as well gain the extra performance

I love my GPU being low utilisation low power low temps

But with max settings and huge fps

[patent hound]

Maybe I’ll just start using DLSS quality

[devout remnant]

https://youtu.be/ELEu8CtEVMQ?si=Y8CTomtyQwfE2GcR&utm_source=MTQxZ

[patent hound]

I’m guessing also great for 4k

[devout remnant]

Yeah he mentions it’s fantastic for 4K

And now also really good for 1440p

[patent hound]

That’s good

[icy orbit]

i would probably put DLAA above Native if the DLSS version youre using is the newest one

often times looks better than most TAA

tho just chuck on DLSS quality gng

[icy orbit]

its just DLSS but without the upscaling after all

just the AA aspect

[smoky flame]

yeah, slight performance hit with DLAA vs TAA to factor in too but worth it imo if all settings are already cranked up and there is still some headroom left

[icy orbit]

try it out 🤷‍♂️ . if ya like it go for it if not then obviously just dont use it 😊

[smoky flame]

I wish FSR could match the DLSS in terms of how it looks visually. Only version that gets close is FSR 4 and that is tied to RDNA 4 GPUs and even then DLSS has those two modes users can pick from that can improve the quality even further. Think the overall upscaling leaderboard is something like DLSS 4 (new) > FSR 4 = DLSS 4 (old) > XeSS (2.0 + Intel GPU) > XeSS (without Intel GPU) > FSR 3.1

[icy orbit]

FSR 3.1 and earlier is just sad

tiny tinas uses fsr 2.0 i think and theres no dlss available

god it looks awful

[smoky flame]

yeah, anything older than FSR 3.1 I want to forget and fast 😅 the one good thing FSR 3.1 has going for it is the .dll file can at least be updated, similar to DLSS and XeSS and some improvements are said to be found with the latest 3.1.4 version but regardless, I don't see it being able to touch the AI accelerated options

[frigid summit]

FSR4 can be ran on RDNA3 albeit at less performance

[smoky flame]

less performance bothers me plus the FSR 4 on RDNA 3 thing can only be done on Linux afaik. I feel there is good reason as to why AMD didn't support FSR 4 on RDNA 3 from launch and it could well be RDNA 3 and older gets left behind

just had another look at pricing between the 9070 XT and 5070 Ti as this discussion made me think about all this once again. I just can't shake that thought out of my head at the moment 😦

[frigid summit]

They did drop the ball on the RDNA3 “ai” cores

[smoky flame]

9070 XT: £619.99-£749.99 or 5070 Ti: £689.99-999.95 🤔

[inland venture]

Hi, I'm looking for a good PC (for Minecraft and other small games) but not too expensive max: 300-400 euros

[obsidian bobcat]

#rules 🔤 2. Use English only. Communicate in English, but be considerate of all languages.

[inland venture]

ok sorry

i have changing that

[dusky wave]

Is that just for pc or with monitor keyboard and mouse?

[tropic summit]

What do you guys think about the new XBOX handheld?

[inland venture]

PC

I already have the rest

[devout remnant]

https://youtu.be/qyGClSlO8Ck?si=pzCXhuTX0cA2Ivxb&utm_source=MTQxZ

[patent hound]

So performance may be a better choice if playing at 4k

interesting

[inland venture]

Yes

thank you

so i search a pc completary

a full white pc

Name : White Core

https://youtu.be/51Z9kx3N6LQ?si=BVSN6RiTwccyyD3I

At 23:18

it’s a french video

[patent hound]

Yeah that PC is not in your budget

[devout remnant]

Yeah, depending on resolution and the game

[dusky wave]

For a 300 to 400 euros pc recommend used market for parts.

[smoky flame]

most games should have the performance preset at 4K set to 50% so internally that resolution would be 1080p. Might look a bit on the blurry side but performance will be similar to but not exactly that of what you'd get simply setting the resolution to 1080p, though that may look worse than DLSS Performance

I say most games as I seem to remember Assassin's Creed Shadows didn't follow the preset guidance set by AMD and Nvidia (after all it is only guidance) might have to double check where you can that performance mode definitely equals 50% on the scaling side of things as anything else could have it look better while performing worse (higher than 50%) or look worse while performing better (lower than 50%)

[inland venture]

I would like to play in 1080p at 60FPS

[devout remnant]

Indiana Jones running at 450-550 fps on Very Ultra Settings 😮

[smoky flame]

see how much the FPS drops by when enabling path tracing 😄

[devout remnant]

Aha, I’m sure it’ll be a small hit but I already uninstalled it 😭

A friend of mine said it had a benchmark but I just couldn’t find it anywhere in game and got frustrated in the end 😄

[smoky flame]

encountered something interesting but maybe disturbing while playing Stalker 2 today... TSR (Unreal Engine's own upscaling tech) might even perform better than AMD's FSR 3.1. Game engine upscalers should be pretty well optimized thought right?

[devout remnant]

Does it have in game benchmark or no?

[smoky flame]

nope, unfortunately

[devout remnant]

https://youtu.be/yvEzUoNfNT0?si=jievxKIMHokbCrDy&utm_source=MTQxZ

Hmm might give it a try

[devout remnant]

What kind of FPS do you get?

[smoky flame]

at 4K with maxed settings and TSR set to 50% I was getting between 80-110 FPS but that can vary. No frame generation active. You'd also have the luxury of ray reconstruction I think to further boost performance and visual quality

[devout remnant]

Oh wow nice

[smoky flame]

without upscaling I'd be getting around 40-50 FPS

[devout remnant]

If it’s on GamePass I’ll try it tomorrow

[smoky flame]

yeah, I believe it is still on game pass.I bought it on Steam to be one step ahead for whenever it does leave game pass as I like the game, which is surprising as it is a horror game but it isn't too bad. If anything managing your inventory can be more of a hassle than the horror side of the game 😅

[inland venture]

WOW !!!

[obtuse copper]

Yo dm me

[dusky wave]

no

[devout remnant]

@smoky flame

Going to Benchmark:

• Assassin’s Creed Origins
• Far Cry 6
• Borderlands 3

Will see how I get on

[dusky wave]

I would say bl3 or fc6 would have the lowest performance

[eager pilot]

anyone know if i can disable the share button when connecting my controller to my pc

[devout remnant]

Yeah I had an amazing run in Shadow Tomb Raider with 373 FPS average on the Highest Settings

Before I could take a screen shot - it opened Gamebar and then blue screened 🥲

I’ve had to remove my OC as it just wasn’t playing nice in rest of the games

Got it to work in AC and FC6

But every other game causing lots of crashes

So will have to run Standard

[raven hull]

Try the accessories app. I didn’t know it they updated to support the button, it was an inactive button on pc for a long time.

[eager pilot]

Tried that and it doesn't even show the share button at all so I can't do anything with it

[devout remnant]

All Benchmarks Complete and ran using the highest standard preset (Ultra)

1). Assassins Creed Origins
2). Borderlands 3
3). Guardians of the Galaxy
4). Shadow of Tomb Raider (DLSS On)
5). Shadow of Tomb Raider (DLSS Off)
6 & 7). Far Cry 6
8). Gears of War: Tactics

[cinder veldt]

try Crysis at 16k

[devout remnant]

I’ll try it tomorrow

If it lets me go to 16K resolution

[cinder veldt]

i think theres a setting in the nvidia app that lets you upscale to a higher amount

[smoky flame]

DSR

only thing is there may be issues with it and using DSC on supported monitors from what I've heard

[devout remnant]

Ah I don’t use the Nvidia App

[devout remnant]

I don’t use DSC

My monitor has DP 2.1

[smoky flame]

you don't? I thought that would be required for 1440p 480Hz and 10 bit?

[devout remnant]

Nope

[smoky flame]

what monitor you got again?

I'm fairly certain that DSC will be required

[devout remnant]

LG 480Hz

I don’t run it in 10-bit

SDR mode

[smoky flame]

I think that might just exceed Displayport 2.1 UHBR 13.5 that I think your monitor supports. Don't think any of LG's Displayport 2.1 monitors come with maxed bandwidth (UHBR 20 spec)

[blissful carbon]

What tool is that?

[smoky flame]

https://trychen.com/feature/video-bandwidth

[devout remnant]

Must be doing some magic to make it happen

It’s DP54

[smoky flame]

it will work but DSC is active

[patent hound]

I have to use dsc for 4k 240 because 40 series doesn’t have dp2.1

[devout remnant]

Doesn’t really say so

[smoky flame]

I think at this point seeing as DSC has been supported since Displayport 1.4 and HDMI 2.1 it doesn't really get mentioned but the limit for UHBR 13.5 at 1440p is around 453Hz before the spec on that site changes to UHBR 20

[frigid crag]

Question if I install a game on pc do I get my saves from the Xbox?

[dusky wave]

yes and no. depends if its a play anywhere title or if the game support cross platform save progression

[smoky flame]

Pretty crazy that if not for DSC (according to that bandwidth calculator) UBR13.5 would be limited to 453Hz at 1440p 8 bit (SDR) or 378Hz at 1440p 10 bit (HDR - 325Hz for the rare panels that support 12 bit that I believe would be favoured for HDR10+ or Dolby Vision content) 😮

[short lily]

Guys is mpk CPU good ?

Is it considered used?

[dusky wave]

whats mpk?

[short lily]

CPU Comes without box

[dusky wave]

i wouldnt trust it cause if its not secured the pins could get damaged

[humble igloo]

My mic works but no one can hear me in an Xbox party

Anyone know a fix?

[dusky wave]

U could try #1091756150644555946

[short lily]

@dusky wave Comes with a clear carton.

[blissful carbon]

This. You would be surprised how easily pins can get bent, and a bent pin can short out the socket... and then you are out both a CPU, and mobo at minimum.

My source on that is literally experience, unfortunately.

[dusky wave]

I would always get a new cpu just to be on the safe side so amd or seller has to send me a replacement if cpu doesnt work

[pulsar cargo]

And there's me ordering a CPU from AliExpress. Should be here tomorrow!

[dusky wave]

Which cpu

[pulsar cargo]

i5-11600KF

I got a good deal on a LA 1200 mobo, case and PSU. I have everything else.

[dusky wave]

Nice. Which gpu u getting?

[pulsar cargo]

Either putting in a 7800XT and selling my 6750XT or putting in the 6750XT. If I sell though, I can put in 64GB RAM. Can't make my mind up yet.

If I add the 6750XT, means I'll have 3 PCs

Don't really have the space for that 😭

[dusky wave]

Nice. Im waiting til my 6800xt cant do 60fps at native then i upgrade. Probably do a mobo ram cpu upgrade before that

[pulsar cargo]

I got a B560M board, RM 750X and a nice case cheap. That's why I got the 11600KF.

I literally have the RAM/GPU/SSD etc to put in

So thought why not 😅

What amazes me though, this motherboard is from 2021 but still has a 2.5GB ethernet port and 2 NVMe slots!

[blissful carbon]

for me it was a bent mobo pin that took out my Threadripper Pro 3955 WX and mobo

[dusky wave]

I havent used intel in years

[pulsar cargo]

I've never actually owned an Intel CPU before. Always been AMD.

[dusky wave]

If i had to choose a cpu to upgrade i would choose amd x3d chip

[smoky flame]

I haven't had an Intel CPU since the i7-6700K I got when building my first gaming PC back in 2016. That lasted up until late 2020 when I went AMD with the Ryzen 5 5600X and been AMD since with some rather impulsive purchasing habits 😅

[exotic jacinth]

Still using 10900K but will be on AMD next time.

[dusky wave]

How did intel lose to amd in gaming

[smoky flame]

7950X3D followed the 5600X but I bought that out of impulse thinking I wouldn't have been able to get a 7800X3D for months off the back of the success and demand AMD had with the 5800X3D before it but as great as the 7950X3D was, it was also overkill. I didn't have use for a 16 core CPU plus I wasn't that keen on the scheduling AMD had to implement through chipset drivers and Windows Game Mode to get it working properly for gaming so opted to get a 9800X3D more recently

[dusky wave]

When amd release their next desktop cpus will u get the next x3d chip?

[smoky flame]

Possibly but that will depend on many things

some of which I can't talk about here as it will descend into rumour mill/leaks stuff but all going well with the actual announcement (whenever that may be) I'll definitely be considering it

[dusky wave]

I was actually surprised u didnt pick up a 50 or a 9000 series gpu lol

Personally 50 series got to be nividia worse launch

[smoky flame]

other than the 5090 that costs too much for my liking there is no real upgrade path but that's not to say I haven't been tempted by a newer GPU. 9070 XT has certainly been tempting me, even now lol

[dusky wave]

Isnt ur 7900xtx have better perf than 9070xt

[smoky flame]

in raster yeah (though not by much) and it has more VRAM too (24GB vs 16GB on a 9070 XT) but the 9070 XT has the upper hand in ray tracing performance and FSR 4 being AI based allows AMD to finally close the gap on Nvidia and their upscaling tech so it is a real iffy consideration that has involved a lot of back and forth with thoughts about it, maybe even too much lol

[normal plover]

Hey guys I’m back with another question. Is £130 a good price for a used rx7600 8gb? I’m in the final stages of buying for my build now, only the graphics card remains.

[dusky wave]

Its about under 300 for new 7600 so maybe?

[dusky wave]

Remind me what r u getting

[long gust]

Anyone know how to connect a Xbox One Controller VIA Usb? I tried multiple ports and restarting my PC aswell but it won't connect.

Apperantly I was supposed to have some sort of Xbox Controller Driver in my Device Manager, I didn't see such tho.

[dusky wave]

It has been plug and play for me on pc with a controller

[long gust]

Yeah, I saw that on my friends computer aswell, but it wont do the same on mine.

When I plug it in, it just vibrates

But doesn't connect

[dusky wave]

Do u have a series controller?

[long gust]

No

[dusky wave]

Update the firmware maybe that will help

[long gust]

How would I do that

[dusky wave]

Try xbox accessories app

[long gust]

👍

[dusky wave]

Or connecting controller to a xbox console

[normal plover]

It’s changed a bit.

MSI MAG A550 BN power supply
Cooler (don’t know brand, bundled with CPU)
KRAS DDR4 16 GB RAM 3200MT/s
AMD Ryzen 5 5600X (second hand)
Power cooler rx7600
Gigabyte A series board (Bluetooth adapter separate)
CiT Flash ARGB PC Gaming Case, Micro-ATX, 4 x 120mm ARGB Rainbow Fans Included, Tempered Glass
Samsung m.2 SSD 512GB

The total comes out to around £400

[long gust]

Ill update ya once I have done it

[dusky wave]

Does the 7600 fit inside ur micro atx case? Im also assuming u using a microatx motherboard. Also for new games would recommend 7600xt version 16gb as modern games have pushed 8gb cards to the limit. Though recommend 1tb ssd tbh

Fyi not all 7600 have the same dimensions

[long gust]

It said no upd avalible @dusky wave

[dusky wave]

Did u try a different cable?

[long gust]

The cable doesnt work I think

Idk if I have any other csble

[dusky wave]

Get a new cable maybe the cable is bad

[long gust]

Got 1

Okay

this time I connected it to my computer and it finally gave me a pop up

The other ones didnt

It said the usb device malfunctioned and windows doesn't recognize it

[normal plover]

Whoops it is 1tb

[normal plover]

Oh and yes I checked the exact model fits in the case

[dusky wave]

Just as a reminder new modern games are pushing vram that 8gig cards wont cut it anymore at least at 60fps

[normal plover]

I plan to upgrade the gpu in the next 2 years

I only really want 60fps 1080p

[dusky wave]

Then go for it. Just keep in mind u might need upscaling to hit 60fps for modern games

[pulsar cargo]

I don't suppose you're using the official adaptor, are you?

[normal plover]

I’m fine with that. It’s one of the reasons I looked for a slighter newer card

[long gust]

I don't think I am

[dusky wave]

Just fyi am4 is pretty much dead. Am5 is preferable for new pc builds in 2025

[normal plover]

I’m aware, but going for an AM5 build would be a lot more expensive

[dusky wave]

Then i hope u enjoy ur pc once the parts arrive and u build ur pc

[dusky wave]

Only reason im still on am4 is when i built my pc in late 2022 am5 perf vs am4 was not worth the price difference at the time

[smoky flame]

luckily now DDR5 prices don't seem that high but instead it will be the CPU most likely that makes up the bulk of the cost of your upgrade, especially if you are going for a 9800X3D

[dusky wave]

I want to upgrade to am5 and get a x3d chip eventually

[smoky flame]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/cM9XWc something like this for example

[dusky wave]

I thought u need an AIO on an x3d chip

[smoky flame]

it can be cooled pretty well with an air cooler. AIO would just offer the CPU more headroom to boost so you would see slightly higher performance but not really enough I would say to spend considerably more on an AIO cooler. Regardless of what cooler you use that 9800X3D will still likely reach 95c under specific workloads anyhow - gaming not being one of them but games that require shader cache optimization may have it run spicy until complete before calming down again

[dusky wave]

Probably not anytime this year

[full flint]

I have ran 5800x3d, 7800x3d & now a 9800x3d all with air coolers, they're 100% fine 🙂

[devout remnant]

Max load on shader cache mine hits 72c

[smoky flame]

mine can reach 95c but while gaming its usually around 25c cooler

[devout remnant]

Gaming I’ve never seen it above 45c

Usually sits 38-40c

[smoky flame]

what did you do to keep it that low?

[devout remnant]

I’m sure it’s the cooler

When I play Gears it’s as low as 36c

[smoky flame]

hmm, no additional settings changed in the BIOS?

[devout remnant]

No

[iron spindle]

thats the temperature outside almost

[devout remnant]

Well

[devout remnant]

Everything is Auto and ASUS does the rest 😄

[smoky flame]

interesting, that is a very powerful cooler

[devout remnant]

477 fps

CPU chilling

GPU barely breaking a sweat

[smoky flame]

nice!

[devout remnant]

The best was my Custom Loop

[lunar lily]

hello guys

[full flint]

Very cool!

[pulsar cargo]

CPU is out for delivery! Honestly can't wait!

[cinder veldt]

what kind

dont leave us hanging

[pulsar cargo]

i5-11600KF!

[cinder veldt]

not my favorite gen of intel but you have a really soild cpu going your way!

[smoky flame]

the last of the Intel CPUs before the P cores and E cores came in changed everything. I really think Intel should have kept that to laptops and handhelds. Seems it was a gamble that backfired with all the issues 13th and 14th gen had and the flop that the Ultra 200 series is for gaming (though I should note it has its uses in other workloads). I'd love to know why Intel thought it was a good decision to drop hyperthreading now when consoles finally use similar technology so games will be optimized with that in mind and may even perform worse now when there is a CPU without it. Such a move might have been alright before this generation of consoles released

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4nC0e32n0s older video now as I do believe Intel have put out some BIOS updates since that aimed to improve performance on the newer CPUs but I really don't think those improvements will have been able to close the gap shown with some of these results. I'd link the 9800X3D vs 285K video too but that is even worse of a mauling and the 9800X3D doesn't even use E cores

[blissful carbon]

9800x3d is absurdly strong in games lol. Absolute monster of a CPU.

[pulsar cargo]

So it all works! Just downloading my games. I got the Case, mobo and PSU for £20. I had the SSD/GPU etc from an old build. Loving it so far! 🤜

Might put this 7800XT in and be done.

I also need to find the proper screws to fit the glass on the side too

I did laugh though.... couldn't get the 6 fans working at all. Unplugged the GPU and put in different slots... no bueno. I thought the hub may be broke but then noticed it said "power" and needed a SATA connection. Plugged it in and the fans fired straight up.

Unsure if I can send a picture but.... https://ibb.co/99jjqvK5

[patent hound]

You got the case, motherboard and PSU for £20? Which did you get

[pulsar cargo]

I did. B560 Plus Asus TUF Gaming. RM 750X and a Mars Gaming case.

Honestly wasn't expecting it to work 😅

[patent hound]

I’m surprised because that’s insane value

Maybe the seller thought it was broken but it was something else

[pulsar cargo]

https://www.marsgaming.eu/en/cases/custom-premium-gaming-tower-xxl-mcv4_mcv4p That's the case as far as I can tell

Need to find proper screws now though - might contact their support and see what they say!

[pulsar cargo]

I asked if it worked (he said he was unsure) but he was selling the case only and the mobo/PSU came free.

I'm not complaining tbh...... feel really lucky! 😄

[devout remnant]

Absolutely

But, it can’t max out a 5090 so I need a stronger CPU 😭

[dusky wave]

A 10950x3d

[devout remnant]

I was going to upgrade at the very next CPU but

I will wait for RTX 7000 series

So will get a 6090 and swap into current system

And then full new system for 7000

[dusky wave]

I still need to get on am5 in a year or two

[devout remnant]

DDR6 RAM soon too maybe 1-3 years

[dusky wave]

Amazon prime day is a new phone plus things i need around for me stuff and renovations.

A s25 plus for 700 usd unlocked

[devout remnant]

My new phone every September

[devout remnant]

Wow lemme check

That’s like £600

[dusky wave]

I cant afford to get a new phone every year

[pulsar cargo]

Does anyone know where to get Intel Chipset drivers? My motherboard one is from 2021 😅

[dusky wave]

U download it from the mobo website support page

[pulsar cargo]

Yeah it's outdated. Same with AMD too.

[devout remnant]

Ah I was going to buy one at your price but here it’s £820 for prime day

Almost $1,000

[dusky wave]

Damn. A ultra here cost a bit under a grand. A plus 256 gig is enough for me

[devout remnant]

I’ll be getting the new iPhone soon

Almost $1,500 every year

[dusky wave]

Enjoy the 15 max

Or is 16?

[devout remnant]

16 pro max atm

[dusky wave]

Damn

1500 is enough for a good pc

[devout remnant]

Yeah and then Apple Watch every year

First one cost $15,000

[dusky wave]

I use my phone til it runs out of os and security updates

[devout remnant]

But now it’s about $1,200 every year

[dusky wave]

Then replace

[devout remnant]

Yeah that’s how most people do it but I guess I’m enthusiastic level 😅

[dusky wave]

Some ur phone money i can use for a mobo upgrade lol

[dusky wave]

Im worse. My phone came out in 2018

[cinder veldt]

true but also i think 11th gen struggled against 10th gen because it only had around 13% gains over it

so i personally like to think the 12th gen was the last soild intel launch

[dusky wave]

Havent done any updating bios drivers since i first built my pc in late 2022

[cinder veldt]

doesnt amd chipsets have some serious vulnerabilties in the past few years

[dusky wave]

Maybe? lol

[pulsar cargo]

Better start too then lol 😅

[blissful carbon]

neither can I, but even if I could I would not. A single generation rarely offers enough to justify the cost.

[dusky wave]

Plus u get several years worth of os upgrades and security updates so why bother

[blissful carbon]

once every 3 to 5 is fine for me

same for PC parts... usually

[dusky wave]

Im more want battery life imrpovement and storage

Maybe better cpu and ram usage

[blissful carbon]

I only jumped from Zen 2 to Zen 3 because of x3d, and RDNA 1 to 2 because of mesh shaders

[dusky wave]

Went from i5 4670k to ryzen 5 5600 way improvement than my old pc

[blissful carbon]

probably going to grab a 9070 XT at some point for better RT perf

6900 XT is great otherwise

[smoky flame]

Intel has those too but keeping the BIOS up to date can help to mitigate or patch out known vulnerabilities so I would deem those updates to be pretty important

[cinder veldt]

dw i didnt mean it as if intel doesnt have problems, but there was a big thing a few months ago about there being a vulnerability with amd chiplets with malware being able to get into the cpu itself. and that amd wasnt going to patch zen 3 but everyone said do it and they did it because zen 3 is what got their foot into the door

[smoky flame]

yeah, without Zen 3 and X3D I don't think AMD would have turned things around anywhere near like what they did. We might have still been sitting here with an Intel 14nm monopoly and lack of innovation lol

holy moly!

if I didn't already have a 4K OLED I would have bought this in a heart beat. This and a 9070 XT would go pretty nice together, especially with Displayport 2.1 (UBR13.5) support

[pulsar cargo]

My CPU can do 4.90GHZ but it's locked to 4.6! Intel's overclocking app is crap

[smoky flame]

clock speed on Intel usually refers to single core for the highest boost clock iirc rather than all cores

[pulsar cargo]

In my bios it says 4.9ghz. But the Intel app states 4.6 :/

[smoky flame]

btw, scrolling up I saw you were asking earlier about Intel chipset drivers. Intel should have a download on their website that will help you find all that stuff

[pulsar cargo]

Intel's basic overclocking is greyed out

[smoky flame]

and something else. I believe only RAM overclocking is available on B560 motherboards so you might be locked out from overclocking your CPU as only Z590 offer that

[pulsar cargo]

It's stuck on 46

I don't want to overclock 😅 I want it to run at 4.9

[smoky flame]

it likely won't be able to. As I said a little bit ago that 4.9GHz figure is for single core. After that clock speeds drop. Motherboards that offer overclocking might allow you to run that 4.9GHz as all core but I'm not very sure at all what limitations B560 has on that

[latent gate]

QHD

[frank crest]

is it possible to mod xbox pc games?

[smoky flame]

I don’t feel anything wrong about 1440p gaming. If anything, with the exception of the 4090 and more recently the 5090 those are the only two GPUs that are pushing into 4K at maxed settings with some good FPS. Only problem with that is both are Nvidia and both cost north of £1500 (and yes, lack of 5080 mentioned I really did class it as a 1440p card)

[dusky wave]

yes

[smoky flame]

most games these days should support modding but ofc some that are online or include anti cheat likely not and some even support modding within the game itself (take Starfield for example). There are games that are older than the modding support thing that won't allow it (at least not as easily as more recent games) I think those older games also install differently to more recent games too so if you don't see a game under the XboxGames folder it may be one of the older ones

[cinder veldt]

imo the difference between 1440p and 4k is negligible. and most games that look good in 4k require something heavy like a 5090, 4090, or an xtx

[last atlas]

yo guys how do i make stuff install faster because i really wait alot while my internet is good

[blissful carbon]

faster SSD and/or CPU can help if that is the bottleneck but otherwise nothing you can really do.

[upper plaza]

Yo!

[smoky flame]

I would say the 7900 XTX isn't really part of the 4K party now. While it is capable of 4K gaming (no specifics mentioned) if we were to set those specifics to 4K 60+ FPS at maxed settings (not including advanced ray tracing/path tracing) then it becomes somewhat muddy. Include FSR into that mix and it can definitely help too. Maybe the best word to describe this would be borderline?

[upper plaza]

You play gta san andreas?

[smoky flame]

No, last GTA game I played was GTA 5 and even then been some time since I last played that

[cinder veldt]

thats fair, i was just including it because its one of the few cards that can preform okay at 4k

[smoky flame]

4080/4080 Super and 5080 would also be considered as borderline 4K. Capable but not recommended if you want 60+ FPS with the same specifics I mentioned above, while 1440p should allow that in virtually every game with those GPUs

[cinder veldt]

also that

[devout remnant]

Give me better 1% lows and higher fps over resolution on a smaller screen 😄

I feel console is great for a 4K experience

[smoky flame]

yeah, I kind of wish I never fell for the 4K hype so soon. Though I do love my WOLED monitor. Definitely no way I would go back on that now

[devout remnant]

1440p at 27” is still the sweet spot imo

I went to 4K 27” very briefly

And the detail was incredible, but I couldn’t justify the performance loss at the time

The lows & 1% are just as important too not just overall highest frame rate.

That’s why a lot of people don’t always understand that gaming on a high end GPU doesn’t just mean always pushing higher fps and higher resolutions but sustaining consistent performance at best thermal temps too

So a new GPU next gen might be a 10-20-30% improvement on the top end or outright but what is it doing to the Lows? - that’s equally as important for me.

When I play MP, if the benchmark says for example 300 low 400 average and 500 max then I’m going to cap around 300-330fps rather than at the average for my personal use.

Single Player I only ever want to hold 144fps consistently maxed out.

[patent hound]

I do think 32 inches is what you would want for 4k

[pulsar cargo]

The day I bought this case, mobo and PSU... I got a 1440p monitor too. Pretty good one. IPS, 27", 200hz, HDR. I like it.

[thorn prairie]

Anyone know how to fix the Xbox installer loading about 2/8th of the way then not moving anymore from that then getting error code When I try to download the Xbox pc app I get the error code 0x800705b4?

[obsidian bobcat]

For support, head over to #1091756150644555946 and read through the pinned Self help topic as well as search to see if your issue has been solved previously and you can solve the issue on your own. If you still need assistance, you can create a new post, but please read through the post guidelines first.

NOTE: This is community sourced support and there is no official support here on Discord. People will help if/when they are able to. If you have an issue regarding your account and/or billing, reach out to official support at https://support.xbox.com/contact-us/ for assistance.

[thorn prairie]

I made one

[smoky flame]

that's a good point. I've always viewed the high end GPUs simply like brutes. These GPUs should handle just about everything you could throw at them and still keep chugging along but I never really looked at it on the 1% lows way. Always been one for the averages

I think I'll start monitoring 1% lows and limiting FPS through in game limiters where possible to whatever it displays to see how this all feels but I really don't think anyone can get me to move from my target of 4K, 60+ FPS at maxed settings (not counting path tracing or hardware based ray tracing). I use FSR (down to its performance mode or 50% resolution scaling seeing as that should be 1080p effectively) where it cannot be reached but I won't drop graphics settings or use frame generation, that for me is where I draw a line in the sand

[pulsar cargo]

@smoky flame Sorry for the ping but thought you may be interested; my CPU is hitting 4.9ghz now. All I changed was just removing the Intel app from my PC 😅

[smoky flame]

no worries about the ping and great to hear! 🙂

[pulsar cargo]

The first picture I sent of my PC, the cooler was on the wrong way! Here it is on the correct way https://ibb.co/1tZXtDnn 👍

https://ibb.co/99jjqvK5 This was the wrong way 😅

[jovial mountain]

quick question, do i need to have battle net installed if i have call of duty installed on the xbox app if im using pc

[dusky wave]

No

It launches from xbox app

[devout remnant]

Yeah 1% lows matter a lot to avoid those fluctuations.

I can’t game at 60 it’s too low for me and gives me headaches

So my minimum is 144

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/07/09/investing/nvidia-is-the-first-usd4-trillion-company

[faint knot]

Ok guys, What's better, AMD or Nvidia?

[full flint]

What's your budget? @faint knot

[cinder veldt]

depends ig

[dusky wave]

depends on performance or price to vram

[limpid hazel]

bruh this tony hawk game is not working

[smoky flame]

https://youtu.be/Rnc7uHs1tnw

[normal plover]

The 5070ti seems a bit better in some games, but definitely not $200 better

[cinder veldt]

Tldr 9070xt beats the 5070ti in most cases

with the 5070ti beating the 9070xt marginally in most cases

but

what is interesting is how the 9070xt uses way more power then the 5070ti while managing to stay cooler

and how despite the 5070ti uses faster gddr7 vram it only seems to save 1 singular gigabyte of vram at most

[faint knot]

Well, I want to Spend 300-400€/$

[smoky flame]

pricing can be a lot closer here in the UK depending on what models from each GPU you consider but cheapest of both GPUs there is only a £50 which can make it much harder to really pick between but the bigger that gap becomes the easier I would say it is to pick the AMD card. Something like a £200 premium for example would be enough to keep me on AMD. Obviously there is one major exception to all of this. If you work with programs that require the use of CUDA, no AMD GPU will cut it so you'll have no choice but to go Nvidia unfortunately

[smoky flame]

your options if you want the latest GPUs would be either the 9060 XT (I would avoid the 8GB model) or the 5060 Ti (again, avoid the 8GB model)

[full flint]

Get a 9060xt 16 GB

It's a no brainer. Best 1080p card and mediocre 1440p card

[spring summit]

can someone tell me a good budget gpu. I have around 1.8k at budget

[dusky wave]

U could build a medium-high pc at 1.8k

Plus depends where u live

[full flint]

Spend 200 dollors extra and get a 5090

[dusky wave]

5080 and 5090 are way over msrp

[smoky flame]

what currency, also is that budget purely for the GPU or a whole PC?

[spring summit]

i have an pc already

[spring summit]

cad

gpu

[smoky flame]

cool, that should be a pretty healthy budget for a GPU. What's the specs of your system?

[spring summit]

an intel core i7

14 gen

36 gig ram

[dusky wave]

Ddr4?

[spring summit]

5

its ddr5

[smoky flame]

36gb that seems odd

[eternal spire]

32?

[dusky wave]

Yeah it usually is 32

[spring summit]

idk i have to check ram

i forgot lol

[smoky flame]

also, wtf I wish I never looked at the 5090 cost in Canadian Dollars... I know they are expensive and all but this is something else 😱

[spring summit]

lol yes

[eternal spire]

thats insane

[spring summit]

gpu market is so bad

[eternal spire]

like literally insane

[dusky wave]

All over msrp

[spring summit]

dyk that i think an 5060 or smth is like 2k

[dusky wave]

Doubt it is that bad

[spring summit]

its rlly rlly expensive

[dusky wave]

Plus its not worth a 8gig gpu today

[spring summit]

no accuatly see the gpu market its way to high. my cousin who works as an computer engineer in amd told me that I shouldnt get a gpu at this time until prices go low in holiday 2025

[dusky wave]

Most people would recommend a 16 gig card nowadays

[spring summit]

thats true

[smoky flame]

on pcpartpicker when sorting 5070 Ti by price lowest to highest I'm seeing some come in well below that 1.8K budget you have. 5080 is an option too but honestly there isn't that much afaik between a 5070 Ti and 5080 so the latter I don't feel is worth the extra $500 or so difference

[dusky wave]

I thinking 9070xt

[smoky flame]

9070 XT might also be worth considering too as that is coming in cheaper than the 5070 Ti for some models while rivaling the 5070 Ti in performance too

[spring summit]

its not like im playing cyber punk im using it to run games like gow and halo and games and story games also rdr and gta

[smoky flame]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/Bvjv6h/sapphire-pulse-radeon-rx-9070-xt-16-gb-video-card-11348-03-20g

[spring summit]

yes the 9070 xt is great b like previously i had an amd gpu and It had broke and i had an warranty of around 4 years and they said they won't provide free repair so i dont trust amd in gpus that much. it wasnt a great experiance.

the graphics card wasnt bad tho

[dusky wave]

Amd still rules perf to price right?

[spring summit]

wdym

[smoky flame]

I would think so but not sure that is really the best thing to go by these days as it could throw in some value cards higher than more powerful GPUs causing some misinformation (possibly? idk for sure) for those purchasing for the first time

[spring summit]

ur talking abt the nvidia gpus?

then yes

[smoky flame]

only things you'll have to check if you get the 9070 XT I linked above is that it will fit in your case, that the power supply will be up to the task and that you can use two individual 8 pin connectors from the power supply. If all those tick the box then all should be good 🙂

[dusky wave]

I still have no idea why make a 9060 xt 8gb version

[smoky flame]

copying Nvidia. I really wish AMD could quit doing that and go their own way. Look at what they did to Intel on the CPU market when they did just that. Time for a Ryzen style uprise for Radeon

[dusky wave]

Im getting a new keyboard and mouse today

Lemokey x2 and a logitech g502 hero wired mouse. First time i got wired mouse and keyboard

[spring summit]

yes

[spring summit]

ye

[dusky wave]

Maybe i will try to get into kbm gaming

I still use controller in all my games

[smoky flame]

same here. I'm just so used to it at this point I don't think I could adjust to kbm gaming now. Muscle memory vs having to learn a whole new layout and mess with game settings etc over again. No thanks to that tbh

[dusky wave]

I grew up on controller

Only games i could play with kbm is point and click or visual novel games

[smoky flame]

as did I. Didn't even have a PC up until 2016 so my only time spent on any type of PC before that was at schools, college or libraries. Something of a late bloomer but learned a lot I feel in such a short time since 2016. Though kbm gaming is just one step too far 😦

[dusky wave]

Im getting a cheap mechanical keyboard with backlight rgb

[smoky flame]

I wish I didn't look at 9070 XT pricing earlier today. Saw that it is coming down a little in the UK. Now some can be had for just shy of £600. XFX Swift models

[spring summit]

lol

[dusky wave]

Do they make merc models?

[smoky flame]

mercury model? yeah pretty sure they still do those but they are on the larger side for a GPU iirc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2YngKeErGw an unboxing of one

[worthy ingot]

RTX Does Good

[blissful carbon]

ngl I like XFX cards

[smoky flame]

idk how they are as a brand other than them being part of AMD's "big 3" if you would call it that. Exclusive to AMD brands. XFX, PowerColor and Sapphire. Nvidia used to have EVGA but nowadays afaik there isn't really a partnership with any of the AIB partners and Nvidia

[dusky wave]

I have a xfx merc 6800xt

[blissful carbon]

I have a Merc 319 Limited, 6900 XT

[dusky wave]

Lucky

[cinder veldt]

May aswell say msi is exclusive to nvidia now considering they didnt make any 9000 series and their recent higher end psus dont have 3 slots for 6+2

[smoky flame]

hmm, true. I completely forgot about that tbh lol

[sharp vine]

dude my xbox controller just isnt working

[raven hull]

Fire it and hire a new one

[brittle spear]

Hey guys

[surreal summit]

did clair obscure expedition 33 got removed or something from xbox game?

[raven hull]

Nope

[surreal summit]

it say that either my subscribe is done or the game is no more in the gamepass but i can still play other game
maybe it's because i used nvidia to optimize it and accidently start with nvidia then i go the bug leave the game and try to start it from xbox still the same problem
or maybe because i updated my computer drivers

[pulsar cargo]

Hopefully my GPU is not dying! https://streamable.com/75opvx

I think I overclocked too much tbh

[smoky flame]

I’d dial back the OC and just run stock

[viral flare]

guys

I bought xbox game pass trial the 1$ one for 2 weeks i already downloaded forza but for some reason fc25 doesnt want to download and says:game with:gamepass and there isnt a download button

[dusky wave]

Try using ea desktop

[cinder veldt]

it seems like black ops 6 cannot ai generate content on a overclocked gpu so its lobotomizing itself

[plush atlas]

Man I can’t wait to play some games again on my PC. I am going from a intel core i5 2500k to a AMD Ryzen 5 7600x. In the future I will definitely get a higher end AMD CPU, but for now I am happy for what I got. I hear it’s a good mid range CPU.

[dusky wave]

nice. u went am5 huh? which gpu?

[plush atlas]

My bad I was a bit busy. A 4070(got that one too) forgot to mention it in my earlier message. I hear AMD is starting to be very good. I know both intel and AMD are good, but hear more good things recently with AMD.

[dusky wave]

only wish gpu market hits near msrp not a few hundred or more above it lol

[plush atlas]

I feel you there lol.

[dusky wave]

a 9070xt msrp is 600 its hitting like 750 or more and lets not saying anything about the 5080/5090

[plush atlas]

Oh my word.

[viral flare]

i bought game pass on my pc,downloaded ea launcher,downloaded fifa there and nothing

says anticheat error or sm

[plush atlas]

Try looking up the error online. It may give you a way of potentially fixing the issue you’re having.

[old kayak]

Hey so I'm enrolled into the PC gaming preview but for some reason my app is not updating to the latest preview. I've tried uninstalling it I've tried reinstalling it and I for some reason cannot get it to work the app opens up perfectly fine but for some reason it's not updating to the latest preview but it shows that it is enrolled in the preview because along the top of the application I see that it says preview delta.

Does anybody know how to fix this?

[iron spindle]

not everyone has the same update at the same time

[old kayak]

Ohhh, ok.

[iron spindle]

there is different rings that will have different build so you need to wait till ther build you want is avaiable to more uusers over time.

[old kayak]

Ok. How do you change rings?

I have been trying to figure that out for years.

[iron spindle]

you cant just change rings

if they need more people in a ring then you be able to change oin the xbox app.

give useful feedback and use the app regularly

[late fractal]

Is there anyone here have pc and xbox game pass ultimate? Can u play fc 25 full game?

[dry fox]

i got Jedi Survivor with game pass and the mods i installed arent working, is this an xbox app related issue

[patent hound]

It is on EA play, so you can play it with PC game pass or Xbox game pass ultimate

[late fractal]

I know but it's always download

Showcase

Not full game

[late fractal]

So what to do if u know

[patent hound]

I guess make sure you are downloading the correct version

[late fractal]

I can't choose

It automatically goes for showcase

[cedar hinge]

Hello I have 5500 RTX 3060 is it still good enough or do I need to upgrade

[smoky flame]

what games do you play currently and want to play in the near future?

[cedar hinge]

COD apex legends and overwatch

[smoky flame]

how has performance been on those games for you while you've been playing them?