pc-gaming

[exotic jacinth]

Only windows is supported for the Xbox app

On PC at least.

[brittle sandal]

So there is no way for a person on mac os to play windows games online

[full flint]

uh i dont think

yeah what you're saying above wont work jomie @brittle sandal

homie*

[ruby spear]

Only by using Bootcamp and installing Windows (if you're on an Intel Mac).

[exotic jacinth]

Not really. If you are on an M1 or M2 Mac you can try using parallels or crossover as a wine conversion tool but might just be better off buying a separate windows system

[gaunt raft]

anyone like know how to play or install transformers wfc\foc?

[ruby spear]

Buy a disc

[gaunt raft]

but what do i do if i want install the tho?

[ruby spear]

You buy a disc and install from the disc. Assuming you don't have a Series S.

[gaunt raft]

the game i ment

[ruby spear]

The games have been delisted

[gaunt raft]

but i got the Series S so what do i do

[ruby spear]

Nothing.

[gaunt raft]

oh thanks

[exotic jacinth]

You would need a system with a disc drive

[gaunt raft]

what you mean system?

[ruby spear]

A device, a console.

But this is a channel for PC gaming, not the Series S console.

[gaunt raft]

oh ok

[craggy spear]

What

[placid meteor]

Nvm

[craggy spear]

Ok

[wind hawk]

so i redeemed a code in my xbox account for my pc but every time i go buy a gam it doesn't let me so i click the redeem a code section but it this code was redeemed by your account in a different region

im confused on what i have to do

and it doesnt let me redeem it

i have changed my xbox account to canadian and still tried

[outer tapir]

Ok why doesn't the xbox pc app load? I have tried everything including date and time, power shell, command prompts, Uninstalling and reinstalling it. Literally every thing doesn't work

[wind hawk]

did it load before

do u have windows 8 or higher

cuz it wouldnt work if u have windows 7 or something old

[outer tapir]

i just installed it yesterday so idk if it ever worked in the past and i have windows 11

[wind hawk]

didnt it come preinstalled

[outer tapir]

no

[wind hawk]

try running it as administrator

[outer tapir]

if theres some other way i can download games from xbox im all ears because the app is unresponsive

[wind hawk]

visit the website

it will add the game to your library

snd you can download from there

[outer tapir]

omg thank you finally

they really need to just decommission that app and just tell people to go to the store to download it like geezus

[chilly merlin]

Hey Guys got a question hope someone has some insight. So I sit down to play say I'm at the 25min mark something cool happens so I hit record last 10min the recording I actually get is from like the 6-11min mark not the 15-25min mark that it should be. Anyone else ever have that happen?

[exotic jacinth]

Are you talking about the console recording feature? There are plenty of apps to record gameplay on PC

[chilly merlin]

yeah ive been usiing obs in the meantime i just like not having to remembert to open and start its buffer

pc recording

[exotic jacinth]

I just use OBS most of the time if I need to record.

[simple terrace]

I use OBS too! It's good. Can stop and start recording/streaming by pressing a button. 🙂

What games y'all bought from the Steam Summer Sale?

[chilly merlin]

Yeah its better Quality also i just liked Gamebar there working also because it never fails you always forget to have started it when the really cool stuff happens

I picked UP FFO:SOP and Octopath 2

so far

[simple terrace]

I have no idea what FFO:SOP is 😅

[chilly merlin]

Final Fantasy Origins: Stranger of Paradise

when I'm not shooting things im a huge JRPG type person

or Mecha but AC:VI is still over a month away😭

[main echo]

Yo

Are sapphire reliable for amd gpus?

Because there's a good price for an rx 6800

$715 (canadian)

[exotic jacinth]

Sapphire are usually pretty good but really just depends on the specific model. Best to read reviews

[smoky flame]

Sapphire Nitro+ should be good as that is their flagship design but their pulse cards can be good too (and found a bit cheaper than their Nitro+ models)

[quick elk]

I’m having extremely bad frame stutters and drops I can never get a stable frame rate I know the 2060 isn’t a bad card I also tried later drivers one from this January and one back from 2021 and it’s still a little weird just any advice would help me and the cpu is an i7 10700f

[smoky flame]

what games are you playing and resolution?

[quick elk]

Fortnite and apex and at 1080p

It’s just two games

[smoky flame]

hmm you haven't used Geforce Experience and used it's auto optimize of games settings at all? I've heard it can mess with games (and from past experience wasn't all that great). Could also be to do with any overclocks you might have applied. Some games can be pretty sensitive to that stuff so run stock. Otherwise I'm not too sure as I don't play either of those games unfortunately, sorry 😦

[quick elk]

Yeah I try that optimize stuff but it like went haywire so I set it back to medium in game

[exotic jacinth]

Does your framerate improve putting everything on low or is it staying the same?

[quick elk]

It improves in the slightest but it’s just never stable and I mean like it stops for half a second sometimes then starts going like it stuttered and my ping is fine

My gpu temp is always around 75-76 when playing fortnite and apex

[exotic jacinth]

Have you checked Gpu and cpu usage to see how much the Gpu is being utilised? If fps is still bad on low settings could be more of an issue on the cpu side with cooling potentially

[quick elk]

Yes the cpu sits at 54% usage and the gpu is around the same

That’s on fortnite

Idk about how hot it gets I don’t know how to check that

[exotic jacinth]

MSI afterburner has a tool to show cpu temp. It might be built into game bar as well

If it’s going above 85c on 10th gen that might be an issue.

[quick elk]

Nah I don’t have msi after burner

I think you need an msi system

[exotic jacinth]

You can use it in anything

No hardware restrictions

[quick elk]

Got ya

Ima play the game and I’ll let u know the temps

[quick elk]

On the monitor thing it said all cores were 49 or 51

[latent gate]

https://youtu.be/ZZrnciMxksM

[late wyvern]

bruh

help

[obsidian bobcat]

For support, head over to #1091756150644555946 and read through the pinned Self help topic as well as search to see if your issue has been solved previously and you can solve the issue on your own. If you still need assistance, you can create a new post, but please read through the post guidelines first.

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[vapid totem]

hey guys

[exotic jacinth]

I would like mac gaming to be more of a thing but guess time will tell

Even the base M1 macbook is quite capable of playing games when optimised and doesn't make any noise while still having decent battery. Shame it's just a small amount of games though relatively

[main echo]

Xbox game bar and all of those xbox services eat alot of your resources in the background i heard

[main echo]

You're using drivers from 2021?💀

the 2060 bottlenecks the i7 10700 a bit

The perfect cpu for it is r5 3600X

[exotic jacinth]

They should still have no issues with Fortnite and Apex on the 2060

[smoky flame]

I doubt it is enough to slow a system down. Would have to be a pretty low spec system if that

[last rune]

hello!

[drowsy notch]

i subbed for game pass and when i download fifa 23 the contoller doesnt work help

[iron spindle]

#1091756150644555946

[pale spoke]

Digital Foundry also made a video on this. Interesting

[mental notch]

Anyone got me a game pass?

[quick elk]

No I had tried older ones but ended up ddu and reinstalling recent ones

[quick elk]

So what would be the perfect gpu for the i7 10700

One says a 3070 and another a 2080ti

I also found out when I run fortnite on tsr epic it performs better and is much more stable but on fxa,taa and dls it’s what’s making me stutter a lot more

[latent gate]

30 series would be better all around

3070's slightly more powerful than a 2080Ti

and has more efficient RT capabilities

[mellow magnet]

I like the look of the 4070 because it has good performance, and runs very cool. A bit pricey at the moment though

Maybe next year though...

[latent gate]

40 series outright aren't very good value wise

50 series might be

[mellow magnet]

They'll come down in time

[latent gate]

but that's a gamble

I just meant the actual performance

they're not enough of an increase over 30 series

[mellow magnet]

I remember when the 3090 first came out, people were paying 2000 dollars for it

[latent gate]

and instead rely on frame-gen as their key selling point

compare a 4090 to a 3090

the difference is there, but it's not enough

[mellow magnet]

Even without the frame generation the 4070 has a good non DLSS performance, compared to a 3070.

The 4060 to 3060 is weak though

[latent gate]

realistically if you're considering a 40 series, you're better off waiting for a 50 series

by the time the 40 series comes down the 50 series will be approaching or will already be out

[odd flame]

Hello, I had some videos I clipped through the Xbox thing in my windows 10 laptop, how can I access them, I don’t have the laptop anymore

[mellow magnet]

I will wait for a 50 series because it will make the 40 series prices more reasonable. But for now i have my eye on a 4070 in the future. Maybe sooner rather than later if i see one on sale

[latent gate]

gamebar clips on windows are stored locally on the device

you will need to get them from that device

[odd flame]

So they’re gone?

Tragic

[latent gate]

ultimately one of the two ways it plays out. either 50 series isn't a good get over a 40 series and 40 series prices drop. or it is and it makes the 40 series a relatively pointless buy

I don't really see any middle grounds

since they can't exactly use DLSS3 as a stop-gap the same way

nor AV1 encoding

the 50 series is for sure going to push further into RT performance since rasterization is good all around

but if it was just rasterization that was cared about, the AMD cards are right there.

[mellow magnet]

It all depends how Nvidia play their cards really. But the 4070 is a solid enough performer that fits my needs, and i like that its power consumption is low enough that it can run on a dual fan so i wont need to upgrade case.

Nor my PSU potentially

4070 gets good scores running without DLSS while the 4060 needs DLSS to be competitive.

[latent gate]

I'm running a master-slave GPU setup. an older GPU with busted ports I use solely for coprocessing while doing other stuff on my primary. not the best, but I'll upgrade when I'm able to and the hardware looks just right for me

30 series was a good step, but still lacking

it's similar to per-pixel shaders when they got introduced back in the early 2000s

20 series introduced RT and it was horrible for actually performing it well

then 30 series was effecitvely the improvement

40 series is an incremental

then we'll eventually get a larger boost in performance on said specific technology

[mellow magnet]

Yeah RT a bit demanding for the 20xx series but it otherwise did have better non RT performance and what was for a short while, reasonable price.

[latent gate]

happened for PPS, happened for Physics

[mellow magnet]

But then the GPU price spike happened

[latent gate]

the 20 series launched into that spike

at least on their upper end.

$1000 for a 2080Ti

[mellow magnet]

Yeah i remember seeing some selling at nice prices for a short while and I almost bought one but to my horror the price rise happened 🙂

[latent gate]

for the performance increase over a 1080Ti

or lackthereof

it was absurd

[mellow magnet]

But i managed to snag a 1660ti fairly cheap and been using that since. So i am lagging behind in technology, but 1080p gaming can look surprisingly good a lot of the time.

[latent gate]

1660Ti's still slightly slower than 1070

[mellow magnet]

Though i am finding myself having to increasingly select lower settings with newer games compared to when i first got it.

[latent gate]

like, Pascal was just an insane architecture

and NVIDIA's biggest "mistake"

easily their best GPU line, that still kick butt even today

but to that end, they reduced the urge for people to want to upgrade as much

[mellow magnet]

Yeah i would have bought a 1070 instead had they been available where i am. Getting GPU's in South America has never been ideal even at the best of times.

[latent gate]

everyone holding out for another pascal-like generation

[mellow magnet]

Currently the plan is my sister will bring me one when she visit in about a year and i forward her the money.

[latent gate]

smartest ways to do it yeah

[quick elk]

Thx for the info

[ruby spear]

Because Xbox Game Studios also publishes on PC and they offer PC Game Pass.

[velvet gale]

yo

im new

[wooden pilot]

How can I map the share button on series controller to take screenshot on PC?

[exotic jacinth]

I think if you use the xbox extended controller support on steam you can bind the share button

[wooden pilot]

Is there a way I can use that button to take screenshot outseide of steam?

[exotic jacinth]

Not sure, you would need to find a third party tool which would do a similar thing. Would be easier to just add the games you want to steam if you really want the feature.

[wooden pilot]

Does win10 has a build in screenshot function?

Maybe I can bind that to my controller

[iron spindle]

it does

Print screen key & snip tool

I not sure if you can bind them too a controller though you could check in the xbox accessories app. Or some games will have a built in option that you maybe be able too bind to a certain key. Especially on PC

[blissful carbon]

dxvk isn't meant for using on Windows but it has solved a VRAM usage problem for me with GMod lol

[plucky marsh]

You can use win + shift + s for screenshots

[feral leaf]

**looks like you need to renew gold **when i tried to load up ark it now says this message. i never had gold before when playing

[raven hull]

Sounds glitched. You don’t need gold for pc gaming.

[feral leaf]

that what i thought i going to try reinstall

after uninstalling it i now need to buy the game or play with game pass?

ive owned it for like 4 years now

[shadow sluice]

haha

[gray cargo]

guys i need a g#me passcode pls dm me

[obsidian bobcat]

#rules 💵 13. No buying, selling, or trading items/codes on the server. Do not ask for codes, handouts, or freebies either.

[ruby spear]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/478994238114103297/1106420013784637460/NO_CODES.png

[cedar elm]

Question: Have a Logitech Pro Keyboard and was wondering what are the downsides or upsides to getting one of those custom keyboards like a Ducky ? Are they just as good?

[simple terrace]

What's a Ducky?

Never heard of it. 😅

https://tenor.com/view/quack-duck-gif-20246771

[smoky flame]

biggest downside to a custom keyboard is the build up of cost. If you are talking about building one from scratch, it will likely cost far more than anything that is widely available but may also require additional equipment to properly build. Upside to it is you will have something truly unique and likely of higher quality than a lot of options out there

[modest bloom]

How much do you have to spend to get a PC on the same power level as a Series X/PS5?

[smoky flame]

probably close to 3x the price of the consoles

[modest bloom]

It's just completely unaffordable

Sure, it has its pros but that entry cost is just not possible for me and a lot of us

[raven hull]

It averages to the same in the end. It’s paying the lump sum now vs console and paying subscriptions overtime.

[dusky wave]

It depends also on the parts in ur country could be cheaper than 3 times could be more expensive

[smoky flame]

I'm going by an all AMD system with at least a 5700X (obviously a faster and more recent CPU than what is on a Series X), 32GB DDR4 RAM (more RAM than the consoles likely have, 16GB is minimum these days for the latest titles), 6700 XT (slightly faster than a Series X GPU and has a ffew more features consoles may not use) and 1TB Gen 4 NVMe SSD. I can throw together a mock build on PC Part Picker for some idea

Going Intel/Nvidia would likely cost more again

[dusky wave]

True. Why is amd cpu cheaper than intel?

[smoky flame]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/Rg7QjZ actually not 3x as much, though a little over 2x. Gets closer to 3x considering AMD's latest CPUs (7700X and 7800X3D, the latter being one of the best CPUs for gaming right now)

I guess AMD are just trying to be competitive against Intel but the prices are closer between the two companies with their latest hardware

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/XRmwMb another example. Prices will vary from country to country of course but yeah, this one is knocking on the door of being 3x more expensive (at least in the UK)

[exotic jacinth]

Thing is on PC you will need to upgrade your hardware overtime regardless if you want to stay at console level or better. It’s not really great to compare them in general really.

[raven hull]

Still averaging about the same. Upgrading parts vs upgrading a console.

[exotic jacinth]

It really depends, I mean you can get gamepass ult just stacking 3 years with gold and that’s only just over £100. After 3 years time you might need to upgrade your GPU or CPU to keep up and then there are all the poor PC ports on top of that regardless of the hardware you have.

If you look at the spec sheet for a PS4 for example a PC would need to be much faster to even compare at the same performance level

[raven hull]

Ok. But people normally don’t calculate deals into averaging a price. There’s so many factors that can change cost.

[brave condor]

help. i have an issue playing pvz gw2 for pc. it says this error:
detected inter driver version 31.0.101.2111 07/19/2022.
The recommended driver version is xx.xx.15.4251 or later. please upgrade your drivers before playing the game. and in the tutorial i cant control the sunflower, as i saw my mouse and keyboard dont works, even if i have a laptop. pls help (i dont have nvidia)

[raven hull]

Here’s part 2. Try #1091756150644555946

[keen bloom]

My steam deck is going to arrive next week

[valid drift]

nice

[dapper bramble]

Cool, I just got my kid one and he really likes it

[south iris]

Does anyone here use an ARC GPU in their system?

[south iris]

Not true, hardware will stay the same over time, drivers help PC hardware just as much as any modern console

That's a fantasy idea many console gamers have, and I'm not really sure why they have that idea

[exotic jacinth]

Devs will target newer hardware on PC for AAA games to push newer features, that has always been the case. Driver updates are not the same as tailoring the entire game to run on a specific platform.

[latent gate]

drivers increase optimization on a general level.

they are not a magic "runs great on a 6 year old GPU" button

[north nymph]

For some reason I can’t open Forza horizon 5 using the pc game pass
I’m on windows 11 on a new computer, the loading window pops up but then nothing else happens, I checked task manager and I can’t find anything forza related

Could someone help me?

[steel trench]

Have you tried the classic pc restart?

[exotic jacinth]

Probably best to post in #1091756150644555946 to get help with troubleshooting

[north nymph]

It was a driver issue and it works now :)

[dusky wave]

not with at least the gpu since that needs to be updated every 5-7 years to play more modern games

[obsidian bobcat]

#rules 📢 7. No self-promotion or advertisements. This includes unsolicited references and links to other social media, servers, communities, and services in chat or direct messages.

[quasi latch]

how come when i install a game i can no longer see cloud gaming as a service

[dusky wave]

Cause once u install the game. Could play it off the pc and quality will be better than cloud.

[quasi latch]

that is true, but if im on a device like a laptop or portable gaming device like ally rog

sometimes i wanna switch to more of a power efficent option

[analog sapphire]

@full flint no

[obsidian bobcat]

🚨 12. Certain topics are not appropriate for discussion, such as: game sharing outside of your household, self-repair and disassembly of hardware, piracy, emulation, violating Xbox policies or Terms of Service, explicit material, not-safe-for-work topics, and questionable or illegal activities. Other topics are subject to moderator discretion.

[full flint]

huh

[fluid timber]

Hi

[quick comet]

Hi

[golden pagoda]

Hi

I need an opinion, are the coming Intel CPUs going to be that much different from the current Alder Lake or Raptor Lake line?

[smoky flame]

not much besides speculation is really known about Intel's upcoming CPUs other than it may be a Raptor Lake refresh. I'd just wait for confirmed specs etc as it could turn out very different. Still likely to be the same heterogenous architecture Intel have been using since 12th gen (Alder Lake) so that is one thing that is unlikely to change, only further improve as this would be the 3rd iteration of such technology

[golden pagoda]

[wooden pilot]

I want to bind my share button to taking screenshot, but joytokey doesn't recognise the button

[full flint]

where can you buy series 2 replacement thumb sticks

[dusky wave]

dunno try amazon

[ember fern]

Damn

[iron spindle]

Microsoft sell them

[golden pagoda]

I got my replacement parts from Amazon

[heavy iris]

selamın aleyküm

tr varmı

[obsidian bobcat]

#rules 🔤 2. Use English only. Communicate in English, but be considerate of all languages.

[dusky wave]

congrats

[amber venture]

My computer is stuck on the bios screen

[cedar parcel]

I'm trying to play a game I have in my xbox library (Guilty Gear strive) but when I try to use my 3rd party controller (RAC-j503b) it won't read any inputs from it. I'm able to use the controller on games that aren't downloaded through the xbox app & when I use my regular xbox controller it will take inputs fine. Any help on getting my controller to work would be greatly appreciated.

Apparently the regular xbox controller isn't working either, it works fine with games not downloaded the the xbox app but in game no buttons work except the B button & when I press it it counts as pressing up.

When I try to change the controls of it in the in game controller settings it works just fine but once I exit the button bindings it goes back to not working.

[dusky wave]

r u using a wired or wireless controller

[cedar parcel]

Wired on both controllers

[dusky wave]

Im using a wireless controller but keep it wired works fine for me. did u update the firmware?

[cedar parcel]

Where can I do that/check if it's updated?

[dusky wave]

try xbox accessories app

[keen bloom]

Im going to probs make the steam deck my main pc soon

[uneven star]

I downloaded fifa to my PC

Waited all night for the game to download

Just for my PC not able to run it

[smoky flame]

fifa 23?

[keen bloom]

I wonder if the steam deck would be able to run starfield once it releases

[smoky flame]

I'm not sure it would run it all that well tbh but we'll know in less than 2 months!

[keen bloom]

Starfield on a handheld would be insane

[tall locust]

Hi anyone can help me

[smoky flame]

might be best to try in #1091756150644555946

[cedar parcel]

Does anyone have any other ideas on this? My main goal is to make it so that I can use my 3rd party controller with a game I downloaded through the xbox app.

[devout remnant]

Starfield VR would be amazing too

[latent gate]

I could see it working well for PSVR2...oh wait

I really hope sony end up just letting it interface with PC

or Valve claps back hard

[wraith crow]

im looking for a new gpu

i think im gonna buy a 3060

[exotic jacinth]

Try and get the 12GB version if you do

[full flint]

would anyone be able to explain like im 5 why on my 144 hz monitor if im getting say 150-200 fps the games i play actually are less fluid and more choppy than if i limit fps to 142 fps?

[exotic jacinth]

Inconsistent frames can lead to judder and stuttering. If the average is closer to 142 then the stutter would be less frequent

[full flint]

i guess a better example would be this. in fall guys my computer will push 300 fps. if i limit to 150 fps to keep it cooler and quieter there is still way more judder and choppiness than below my monitor's refresh rate even though it stays at a rock solid 150 fps

[exotic jacinth]

Does limiting it to 144 fps help at all?

[full flint]

it does yes, but it is best at 142 fps. even at 144 i still get some slight tearing

conventional pc wisdom would say let your gpu roam free with unlocked fps. but above 144 hz it just isnt as good for me in my experience

[exotic jacinth]

Unlocked usually isn’t great if you get a lot of large frame differences it will lead to stuttering. Limiting it is usually the best way to go

Is your monitor free sync or sync compatible? Maybe check the frequencies to see when it kicks in to help with screen tearing

[full flint]

freesync at 144 hz and below which is my monitor's refresh rate

i use an AMD 6700xt for what it's worth

[exotic jacinth]

That should help with screen tearing at least

[full flint]

ive just been limiting my fps to refresh rate but that leaves performance on the table. oh well

[devout remnant]

Then cap at 142fps

[full flint]

Yeah. That's what I'm doing. Just feels like leaving some GPU headroom on the table but no biggie

[devout remnant]

Not if the display can’t go above 144

As others have said, you want to keep the GPU at a constant FPS, not just let it max out…

[cinder trout]

yo I need help, my xbox series controller is not updating on xbox accessories

when I click update it stays on 0% until the controller turns off the the app gives me the "there was a problem updating your controller", I tried different cables, different ports, I tried removing the batteries

[obsidian bobcat]

For support, head over to #1091756150644555946 and read through the pinned Self help topic as well as search to see if your issue has been solved previously and you can solve the issue on your own. If you still need assistance, you can create a new post, but please read through the post guidelines first.

NOTE: This is community sourced support and there is no official support here on Discord. People will help if/when they are able to. If you have an issue regarding your account and/or billing, reach out to official support at https://support.xbox.com/contact-us/ for assistance.

[dusky wave]

where u get this?

[smoky flame]

should just set the 7800X3D for all 3 tiers, especially at 1080p and 1440p. At 4K the difference kind of becomes minimal though there are some games that can still benefit and for the motherboards I'd suggest no less than a B650E motherboard. They should have plenty of features most gamers need. X670E adds significant costs for not a whole lot more in some cases

[dusky wave]

i have only b550 mobo. probably fall between 4k and 1440p with no upscaling. my 6800xt there but my 5600 cpu isnt there so with fsr 2.2 or whatever they have i can upscale to 4k.

[smoky flame]

of course it won't be. AMD will of course be marketing their newest hardware though with a 6800 XT I'd still think 1440p is comfortable. I'd be shocked if it wasn't (not just basing that off the 6800 series recommendation either)

[dusky wave]

so this list doesnt really count. but it gives us around what pc specs 1080p, 1440p and 4k specs r

[heavy iris]

valo gelecek türk varmı

[ionic forum]

game pass varsa ekle oynayalım

[obsidian bobcat]

#rules 🔤 2. Use English only. Communicate in English, but be considerate of all languages.

[dusky wave]

Nice

[gusty hare]

anyone want to group up for 100 points play with friends?

[obsidian bobcat]

If you're looking for someone to play with, please go to #1094715375884697600

[fluid viper]

yo, could someone tell me if this mobo is any good? its a "x570s MSI Tomahawk WIFI", its 319-329$ and i was gonna pair it with 3070 ti, ryzen 5700x and 16gb ram

[north ivy]

This isn't exactly PC gaming related but my mouse's sensitivity on my gaming laptop is incredibly fast every time I sign on, even after I've changed it and shut down. Any ideas to make it permanently on the setting I chose?

[dusky wave]

It will work though ddr4 is near the end of its life cycle. My brother uses the b550 tomahawk

[fluid viper]

i will get 32gb ram in the future, my friends giving me ram to use in the meantime

[dusky wave]

3200mhz or 3600mhz

[fluid viper]

i think its 3600mhz

but 3200mhz is fine for me too

[dusky wave]

Nice. I have 32 gigs ddr4 at 3600mhz cause i have amd cpu and gpu

[fluid viper]

i have all pc parts except mobo and cpu

[dusky wave]

I got 5600 non x and 6800xt

[fluid viper]

i have 3070 ti

asus tuf gaming v2 (got for 622$)

[dusky wave]

They both good for 1440p and maybe 4k gaming but need upscaling on newer titles

[fluid viper]

yeah im gonna stick to 1080-1440

[dusky wave]

Nice. Starfield looks to be a great game on pc hopefully 60fps or more

[fluid viper]

i havent been sold on starfield yet tbh

is it on game pass on release?

[dusky wave]

Yeah made by bethseda

[smoky flame]

I'd recommend getting a 5800X3D. Pricing should be pretty low these days for that CPU and it is the best AM4 CPU for gamers

[frozen latch]

Can i install XBOX CLOUD Gaming on my Nintendo Switch??

[main echo]

No

[broken atlas]

Anyone have a fix for slow download speeds? On steam I get about 900mbps download speed but on Xbox I’m capping at 2mbps and intermittently it will spike to a 100mbps but drop down again.

[dusky wave]

Restart pc and router.

[broken atlas]

Didn’t work

I tried a bunch of solutions from YouTube like flushing dns, port forwarding, netsh winsock reset, and resetting the Microsoft store and Xbox app.

[exotic jacinth]

Have you tried connecting to a hotspot to see if it has the same issue as your home network?

At least then you will know if it’s something related to your network or the PC

[broken atlas]

My internet is wired and I have a 1.2gig plan

It works perfectly on everything besides the Xbox app

[iron spindle]

1.2gig? are you sure that isnt the download cap and not the speed?

[broken atlas]

No that’s the speed I have the top package for internet

Xbox app is just awfully slow

[smoky flame]

iirc Xbox app downloads in MB/s so it's not to be confused with mbps. When you are seeing 100 MB/s that would be around 800 mbps though I am surprised you aren't getting the full 1.2 gbps when wired, which would be around 150 MB/s

[blissful carbon]

they must have at least 2.5G ethernet then... or absurd Wifi

[smoky flame]

on my old motherboard I could reach the max speed of my gigabit connection (1130 Mbps) over wifi so it is possible but requires at least wifi 6 to do it. Both the router and device connecting to the router have to support wifi 6

pretty sure my old motherboard was even ready for 2 Gbps speeds if my ISP had such a package. New motherboard's wifi isn't as impressive (seems to top out at around 900 Mbps) but it does support wifi 6e. Though I think what it letting it down is the 80 MHz channel. I was able to use 160 MHz channel on the old motherboard's wifi

[blissful carbon]

my phone is gigabit over Wifi capable. I see a 1200 megabit lan connection with it on Wifi 6

which to me is insane lol

[devout remnant]

Max I got out of my phone is like 850Mb

[devout remnant]

Xbox App imo is hit and miss, sometimes it’s like 1MB/s and sometimes it’s like 120MB/s

[exotic jacinth]

I wish I could get even 20% of those speeds here. Hope they get fibre sorted in my area soon

[strange hawk]

Imma get a new gaming PC in 2 days

[dusky wave]

what r ur new pc specs

[strange hawk]

Processor: Intel Core i5 up to 3.8GHz 4-Core
Graphics: GeForce GTX 1660 Super 6G GDDR6
Memory: 32G DDR4
Hard Drive: 128G SSD + 3TB

[dusky wave]

i5 what type exactly. and im guessing 3tb is hdd

[dusky wave]

it seems to be good for 1080p gaming

[exotic jacinth]

Yeah 1080p medium ish probably in the new games. FSR2 might help out a bit. HDD might struggle in new games but if playing stuff older than 2021 in general it is ok on a HDD

4 core i5 is probably pretty old, they haven't done those in ages now

[dim crescent]

It is hardly a spec for new pc nowadays, only the memory is normal imo

You should get a console instead of this

[exotic jacinth]

Really depends what they want to play

[dusky wave]

Plus what available in their country

[dim crescent]

If only console is not available in their country

For price around this spec and talking about gaming, maybe console is better

[faint crag]

Is this good for $250?
CPU: I7 3.4-3.9ghz
GPU: Radeon RX580 8 GB GDDR5 (for now)
16 GB ram
512 SSD

[dusky wave]

What ram ddr4?

What i7?

[errant temple]

Anyone have any controller recommendations

For pc

[dusky wave]

Whatevet u like/needs 4 the controller and ur budget 4 controller

[devout remnant]

Elite Series 2

[green portal]

yall would this pc be scrap?

Specs:

AMD Radeon processsor with intergrated graphics (Idk what the exact processor is, as the motherboard died.) but its a pc from 11-12 years ago (2010-2011)
The motherboard manufacture is ASUS
it had 16 GB of ram
200 GB SSD
1 TB HDD
750 GB HDD
No dedicated graphics card

[raven hull]

all the parts I would consider useful, minus the 750 GB HDD.

[smoky flame]

may not be anywhere near as big a release as the upcoming Starfield but I'm looking forward to playing Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart in around 12 days! Never thought Ratchet and Clank would ever appear on PC and lets see how the game performs considering all the claims Sony had on it at one point about it requiring the PS5's SSD to run

[faint crag]

Core i7 but ram isnt specified.

[exotic jacinth]

Which generation i7?

I would be careful getting anything older than 8th gen

[exotic jacinth]

Sounds like it’s not making use of direct storage seeing as windows 10 is the recommended OS, and HDD while not recommended will still work based on that table

I’m guessing PS5 or similar settings will be at the first tier for the Ray tracing. And hopefully the PC version can push a bit above that with the ultimate tier

[devout remnant]

I might just be able to get away with the minimum settings, but will have to run to confirm, maybe I drop to 480p

SONY’s SSD seems to be quite quick, my M.2 would be around half the speed.

But 5.0 ones would be 2x speed of SONY’s.

[smoky flame]

https://www.dsogaming.com/news/ratchet-clank-rift-apart-will-support-directstorage-with-gpu-decompression-and-ray-tracing-ambient-occlusion-on-pc/ this article would seem to suggest otherwise

[exotic jacinth]

Fair enough, guess will see how it all turns out

I'm interested to see some benchmarks using different SSDs when it's actually out

[ruby spear]

Yep, it's going to be very interesting to see just how well it runs with slower storage than a PS5, seeing as Sony claimed it was only possible due to their fast storage.

I'll install it on my ROG Ally 😄

[devout remnant]

Real World testing will be interesting for sure, I’m sure it’ll be slightly slower on non 7GB/s drives, but the question will be just how much.

[ruby spear]

Run it from a micro SD

[smoky flame]

I always thought since DirectStorage is an API devs could just add and update it, almost in the same manner as a game update itself so something like DirectStorage could be added into existing released games at a later date and updated as new versions of the API become available. Really disappointed so far at the seriously lack of DirectStorage supported games tbh and it was a feature Windows 11 made a lot of noise about. At this rate it might be Windows 12 before we see it become more common and by that point W10 will likely be EOL and W11 not far behind

[keen bloom]

Im going to see if its going to run on the deck

[exotic jacinth]

That's why I'm surprised W10 is recommended and not 11 in that table. I'm not sure if it is something that can be patched in but if it is I wouldn't be surprised if Spider-Man gets an update for it

[smoky flame]

afaik W10 still supports DirectStorage to a certain extent (to which idk exactly) but the latest update for W11 is already giving some reason now to upgrade to W11, especially if you own a high polling rate mouse (greater than 1000ms) as there have been improvements made for games that will not be taken over onto W10. It's now limited to security updates pretty much so as far as I'm concerned W10 is as good as EOL already if it is lacking any feature updates between now and 2025 (when it is supposed to go EOL)

[devout remnant]

I’m interested in the new Razer Mouse that has 8000ms polling rate from what I saw.

[smoky flame]

yeah, it's even got me tempted but I still find I default to a controller when playing on PC. I just can't seem to adjust to keyboard and mouse 😦

[devout remnant]

Same

[exotic jacinth]

Yeah that's what I mean, it will work still but you would think 11 would be recommended to take full advantage of it.

I find a controller more comfortable when I have the option

There are a lot of unknowns with direct storage so this will be a way to properly test it to some extent

[keen bloom]

I wonder if starfield will run on deck tho because starfield on handheld would be lit

[smoky flame]

without the use of FSR I'd have major doubts tbh but it would be pretty cool, yeah

[keen bloom]

If i have to use fsr so be it

[exotic jacinth]

GPU in steam deck does not come close to the minimum requirements so I wouldn't expect it to run properly

[south iris]

Definitely buying that game

[mellow magnet]

Is there a way to turn off a wired Series S/X controller on PC, other than disconnecting and reconnecting the USB?

[errant sorrel]

Hold the on/off button (xbox logo) for like 5-10 sec I think

[dusky wave]

Wired controllers may not have a battery pack

[violet ore]

why is there an update for the xbox app everyday

3 days now everyday an update

[latent gate]

Are you enrolled for the Insider Builds?

[violet ore]

how do i check

[faint crag]

Doesn't specify but the price of the PC in question just went up anyway

[exotic jacinth]

Well that would make a large difference whether it’s worth it or not tbh. If it’s a 1st gen i7 will struggle in a lot of modern games

[full flint]

3.4 ghz to 3.9 what would that be

Imo it's probably a i7-3770 @exotic jacinth

I don't see any i7 with those clocks

[full flint]

You're buying this pre-built?

[faint crag]

Yeh

I do plan on doing many upgrades when I get the money for it

[dusky wave]

Does it even support 30 series cards?

[faint crag]

My guy I haven't a clue

[last remnant]

I Honestly wouldn’t take to many bets on upgrades in prebuilts

[faint crag]

I have another option tho, hold on

[dusky wave]

Is the ram ddr4 or ddr3

[full flint]

Prolly ddr3

Well if it's an i7 3770

@faint crag if I was you I wouldn't take that pc

[dusky wave]

If its ddr3 then definitely wont support 30 series and need to replace the whole motherboard for any upgrades

[last remnant]

Knowing prebuilds the motherboard might not even be removable from the case

[dusky wave]

True. It was probably good like years ago

[faint crag]

https://a.co/d/hQpMPe9 this other prebuilt actually specifies things and is already pretty good for the price.

[full flint]

Can't you make one?

[faint crag]

What's the point

[full flint]

What?my message got removed

Pre-built part are trash usually,and I don't find this pre-built worth it,a build would get you more longevity,perfs for the price etc,and you can upgrade it easily

[smoky flame]

could also go the custom built route as that and building it yourself give you full reign over the components you add. Prebuilds often lack in quality

[faint crag]

I really just need something quick and good g, I plan on making games better than cod before I'm out of highschool

[full flint]

Who knows what that power supply is

[last remnant]

This is just a perfect example, if you get those things for that price, they are cheaping out on everything and possible that you get csgo announcer saying ”bomb has been planted” when you plug it in

[dusky wave]

Better to save up and get a better pc then

[full flint]

@faint crag building a PC is like 2 hours using a tutorial max for everything ?it'll save you from the headache that you'll get in the future with this pre-built

[smoky flame]

lol yeah, going to need a very powerful PC and a huge budget if you plan to make games better than call of duty 🙄

[full flint]

You can get better for like 500 bucks?

[dusky wave]

Also depends on what type of games u planning on playing if u planning on starfield definitely a big budget

[last remnant]

Much much more money

[full flint]

I3 13thgen + rx 6600

Cheap combo,but great

[faint crag]

I need something to be able to handle ue5 game development

[smoky flame]

that'll be a very high spec system that likely costs over $2000 and fairly recent hardware I'd think too

[dusky wave]

U could get a console if u cant afford a pc to handle ue5

[last remnant]

Budget and your requirements don’t add together

[full flint]

He meant developpement

Playing would be like 550 dollars for something good for everything

But ue5 developpement,you'll need something decent to get all the options

[smoky flame]

at least double that with the way things are with most games released this year. Games are demanding more than 16GB RAM at certain resolutions and more than 8GB VRAM too and you'll probably find you could spend $550 on a 32GB DDR4/DDR5 RAM kit and GPU with 12GB+ VRAM. Still got the rest of the system to factor in

[full flint]

If you want Ue5 development a good 8/6 core 12/16t cpu and a 6600xt/6700xt could probably do it

But lumen,ray raytracing efficienctly 🤷‍♂️

And all the fancy options

And you won't get the best experience possible

And yeah 64gb ram,maybe 32 could do it 🤷‍♂️

[smoky flame]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/TgRhW4 here's my PC specs. Only a couple of mistakes I feel I've made but been very happy overall with how the system performs since I built it

[full flint]

Damn great pc

[smoky flame]

obviously you don't have to go as high end as I did. This is a set and forget sort of system. I can crank pretty much any game up to 4K ultra and not worry about how it performs. I should have waited for the 7800X3D but oh well and while I don't recommend cheaping out on a power supply I may have gone a bit overkill with my choice and spent a bit too much on it being titanium rated but other than those things it is very powerful

[full flint]

On top of that you'll need some softwares,and a log,A LOT, of storage

[full flint]

Your build probably is 1 million time better than my pc

[keen bloom]

Tbh i regret going for the rtx 4090 since starfield will probs be more optimised on AMD

[smoky flame]

doesn't mean it will run great even on current AMD hardware. 4090 still has the upper hand on AMD's best, 7900 XTX by at least 20%. Would take some intentional messing around for the 7900 XTX to close that gap which for a well optimized game would be on display

[exotic jacinth]

4090 will still beat any AMD card regardless

[smoky flame]

AMD's feature titles seem to favour all hardware. Not sure I've read a case where AMD intentionally nerfed performance on rival hardware. It's usually been the other way around historically with both Intel and Nvidia messing with AMD hardware performance on their feature titles so if anything I'm glad Starfield isn't an Nvidia feature title

[full flint]

It's 1 title anyways,and you card will be enough for 4k/1440p High settings

[obtuse edge]

I wouldn't say they intentionally nerfed but I'd bring up cod mw2 and wz2 as the 7900xtx matching the 4090 due to major optimizations

[smoky flame]

idk what is going on with that game tbh, isn't it an Nvidia feature title? yet it has that kind of optimization that seems to favour AMD's GPUs. Only thing I can think of is AMD's Infinity Cache is at play but surely that wouldn't make that big a difference. Is an interesting one for sure. Still hoping true today that the 7900 XTX can match the 4090 in those games? Been many updates that could have changed things since

[keen bloom]

There isn't going to be dlss so i am kinda worried

[south iris]

Should run just fine, DirectStorage was already OP in Forspoken, but that game didn't even use GPU decompression, despite 1.1 supporting it

It used 1.0 in early access, but was updated to 1.1 for the official release

I'm just excited for GPU decompression to finally have a game that uses it

[south iris]

Yeah, it's a bit disappointing, but games really need to be designed for it with the latest versions of DX12

[latent dagger]

I downloaded ark off gamepass and was wondering how to access files so i could mod it please help

[exotic jacinth]

MS store games are usually encrypted.

[devout remnant]

Not in every game.

So you can’t really say “regardless”

[devout remnant]

On MW2, the XTX destroys the RTX, it’s pretty much one of the only examples, however in that game, the AMD runs supreme.

I found that out when last gen when I swapped my 3090 for a 6900 XT because all I was playing was Gears 5, and saw a 20% performance uplift even though the AMD card was 1-2% faster overall.

[devout remnant]

It can be just the way the games designed. Especially as the consoles use AMD.

[obtuse edge]

Yeah they're was some major love under the hood for amd in cod this time around. Would definitely say console had a hand in that as they're both amd and the larger market for the series

[exotic jacinth]

I was watching a benchmark in MW2 the results seem pretty similar for that one. I’ve not seen a game where 7900XTX actually pulls ahead though as the 4090 is generally a faster card even if a game favours certain architecture.

[devout remnant]

Average of 311 fps v 243 fps in 1440p - big gap for the AMD.

So it pulls ahead massively on that, a little bit on others & also keeps neck & neck in some cases even though the 4090 is overall a more powerful card.

Definitely depends on the game & situation as the RTX also has big gaps of course of its own against the AMD.

[exotic jacinth]

In general it is a bit better than the 4080 in raster performance but in some cases like that favours RDNA will pull further ahead of it. The extra Vram will help out in the long run as well possibly

[devout remnant]

Waiting for the first 100GB VRAM gaming card 😄

[smoky flame]

going to be some time before that lol

also, on the 4090 vs 7900 XTX they are very much 4K beasts. Something tells me in a general suite of games that gap is smaller and the 4090 begins to really flex its power. Obviously some games may end up like above (I do see a couple of 4K benchmarks in there) but really, in most instances the 4090 should pull away from the 7900 XTX. Would be curious to see a comparison between launch state of these GPUs and current state with latest drivers with resizeable bar/smart access memory enabled (pretty sure most benchmarkers have this enabled by default these days)

[devout remnant]

4090 Ti is on the way too, that’ll be about 10-20% faster still, and then depends what AMD do with a 7950 XXTTXX

[smoky flame]

I'll believe it when I see it with those. AMD are still to announce and release an RX 7700 XT and 7800 XT

[devout remnant]

End of 2023 is most likely

[smoky flame]

I really don't think the 4090 Ti will be another 10-20% faster, 10% tops maybe with one very eye watering price

[plucky marsh]

Did they not test the 4070TI or is it just awful that it didn't appear in the results?

[devout remnant]

Only got the rumours & potential core count to go off, and everything is saying 10-20% so will see when it lands Christmas 23

[devout remnant]

https://youtu.be/N-FMPbm5CNM

[plucky marsh]

Too late I already bought it 😄

[smoky flame]

from what I've seen recently the 7900 XTX price may have been reduced enough to the point it threatens the 4070 Ti's very existence (with it being around 31% faster than a 4070 Ti with double the VRAM)

[plucky marsh]

Yeah I made a poor choice, but still better than my laptop 1070 and maybe in a year or so I will upgrade and give the 4070 to my brother

[smoky flame]

ok, doesn't appear to be the case in the UK. 4070 Ti start at £770 but do creep up towards 7900 XTX pricing. 7900 XTX start from £975 (barely moved really)

[cunning jay]

I just got my first pc ever

I used to play on a laptop

[bronze raft]

Cool, congrats 😎

Do you know what you are going to play first?

[cunning jay]

Yes

GTA 5

I have a xbox but it's very old I got it the day it came out and I have like 48k hours on gta

[bronze raft]

Ooh I see, very nice 👍

[cunning jay]

I've got a amd ryzen 5 5500 and a gtx 1650

Don't wanna ball out I just wanna play typical games

It's quite clean to with white rgb

[bronze raft]

Cool!

Ryzen 5 is pretty good, decent

[cunning jay]

I don't know much about pcs but my freind told me it will do just fine for me

I used to play games like valorant on 35 fps and other games didn't even run but I hope this will do better

And It just crashes whenever I play

[bronze raft]

Yeah it should, a lot better than laptop

[cunning jay]

I hope this pc won't 🙃

I looked it up on YouTube it said from 210fps to 260fps

Like the same specs I have

[bronze raft]

Ooh okay

[cunning jay]

On gta 5 I'll have like 90-110fps

[smoky flame]

just be sure to update stuff like chipset and GPU drivers 🙂

[dire sail]

Are refurbished graphics cards from Newegg any good?

[iron spindle]

sure

Newegg are a good source.

[keen bloom]

Next gen I'm probs switching to AMD gpu and CPU

[high geyser]

Hello

[cunning jay]

I'm getting 500fps in valorant

[cunning jay]

Alright I'll take a look in YouTube how to do it or I'll ask a freind

[devout remnant]

3D V-Cache chips definitely for gaming

If Intel hasn’t released anything then will go AMD

7800/7900X3D King of Gaming 👑

[placid pond]

can anybody help me with a controller issue?

[next cradle]

What is the best proccsesser for a budget build. Ryzen 5600x??

[exotic jacinth]

12400f is still really good value

[next cradle]

I’m going for ryzen tho

[obtuse edge]

If you're near a microcenter try finding a 5600x3d if they still have any

[devout remnant]

@next cradle this is the answer imo

[keen bloom]

Im planning to move away from nvidia

[smoky flame]

since you have a 4090 you should be good on upgrading for a few years at least (or even a few generations)

[faint crag]

Searching for a pc has utterly humbled me to a point that I just want something that can run blender and CSGO well.

[mortal blade]

I’m in Australia

[obtuse edge]

Oof

[mortal blade]

This cpu looks good wish it was on Amazon

[obtuse edge]

One time release and only in microcenter. It was just amd getting rid of faulty 5800x3ds

[smoky flame]

only listings you might get on Amazon will be highly scalped 5600X3D that wouldn't be worth it at all

[obtuse edge]

Scalped or outright fakes at that as I'd imagine their aren't that many too begin with.

[smoky flame]

idk, could be more than AMD let on. I like the idea that they are putting the faulty 5800X3D chips to use and not wasting them. Though I feel this could have been done much sooner

[obtuse edge]

Definitely, helps them and the environment

[smoky flame]

AM4 platform (Zen, Zen+, Zen 2 and Zen 3) is effectively at a dead end. AMD's likely focus is to be on AM5. 5600X3D was possibly a last hurrah for that platform. I still hope AMD go on to support AM5 as well, if not better than they did with AM4. Plenty of stuff to learn from over the years with AM4

[gleaming mason]

Does anyone have any suggestions for an affordable computer?

At least for games the average person would play and nothing heavy like KSP 2

A computer that is good enough is fine for me

[keen bloom]

What is your budget and in what currency

[gleaming mason]

USD, haven't set a true budget yet but I am aiming for something below 2k prefferably near 1500

change below 1k

Or near at least, being more realistic

[keen bloom]

Ok let me go on pc part picker and see if i can make a list of components around that price point for you

[gleaming mason]

thanks

[keen bloom]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vmbbnt

[gleaming mason]

neat

[keen bloom]

Although stuff like case and cpu cooler can be changed if you want depending on how you want your pc build to look like

[wooden pilot]

How can I swap between analog stick and d pad on a series controller?

Some older games auto bind movement to analog, but I prefer d pad

[ruby spear]

If the game doesn't support it there's not really much you can do.

[exotic jacinth]

Which older games? Is that using steam input or something else?

[wooden pilot]

BIGBANG BEAT Revolve

[zinc pagoda]

I look forward to your birthday presents on the 17th of august xd

[rugged rock]

Yo guys i have quiestion

question"

[ebon ocean]

Can anybody tell the best cpu for under 150$

[obsidian bobcat]

#rules 😃 1. Be cool, kind, and civil. Treat all members with respect and express your thoughts in a constructive manner.

[analog sapphire]

does it say to a member?

" express your thoughts in a constructive manner"

that's better ty

my guess is they don't employ enough testers

[floral blade]

Is steep available on game pass?

[smoky flame]

oh my... Been a few months since I last played Star Wars: Jedi Survivor and now I remember why. Look at the VRAM and RAM usage! 23GB on the VRAM and 29GB on the RAM. That easily the most memory intensive game I've played by far! Settings used was 4K, all epic + ray tracing enabled (turned it off again but performance really doesn't improve much, 45 FPS becomes 57 FPS)

[obtuse edge]

Holy shnikeys

[keen bloom]

I am hoping that more devs optimise for linux and steam os

[exotic jacinth]

So not really any improvements after all that time?

[smoky flame]

could say that I guess. Think I updated the game at least twice since I last played it before giving it another go earlier today

[exotic jacinth]

I haven't played it yet but at this rate I may be better just getting it on PS5.

[smoky flame]

update 7 shouldn't be too far (going by the last two updates being about a month apart) so I wonder what it will bring

[keen bloom]

I kinda want valve to make a steam console similar to the ps5 and series x in terms of specs and have it connect to my tv

[exotic jacinth]

I didn't ever use the old steam controller. Not sure how that worked out

[ruby spear]

Steam Deck is roughly on par with XB1 and PS4 and you can hook that up to your TV

[smoky flame]

https://www.techpowerup.com/311294/amd-planning-september-launch-for-radeon-rx-7800-series-and-rx-7700-series September looks like it is going to be very busy!

[latent gate]

eh

I wish I had any care for AMD's GPU's atm

they're just exceptionally uninteresting

[smoky flame]

we all have our preferences and stuff. I'm just going through a phase still with AMD where things seem pretty good for them. Can't wait to see what Zen 5 and RDNA 4 bring but I'm still looking at what Nvidia do on the GPU front and Intel on both the CPU and GPU front

[latent gate]

It's less preferences and more the fact that AMD's tech is literally just

not that interesting

they make great APU

but only in raster

when intel's first generation discrete are more interesting and impressive than AMD's lineup, there's an issue.

[exotic jacinth]

The larger amount of VRAM is the main draw to AMD atm from my pov

[latent gate]

it's ironic though

AMD's VRAM counts are great....for VR

otherwise generally somewhat useless at anything other than 4k

[smoky flame]

yeah, Intel has a lot of potential to disrupt AMD but its still going to take them some time and 1st gen ARC hasn't been without a bunch of issues both with the GPU and its drivers but also the team working on them. Intel need to try and keep a team together and really build some solid foundation and progress, from there AMD are for sure in trouble but Nvidia are way ahead in so many ways

[latent gate]

RT? AMD's performance is so poor that it doesn't matter that there's enough memory for the BVH to be stored.

since the actual RA units are too weak to handle anything even remotely complex

until AMD goes to dedicated RT-focused cores, they're going to lag behind

Intel's:

• Cheaper
• More performant
• Can handle Machine-learning tasks and upscaling
• Has dedicated RT Silicon and outcompetes AMD in spades

[exotic jacinth]

8GB is really struggling though atm and 12GB for a high end card isn't really enough for the longer term. the 6800 actually beats out the 3070 in some games now for ray tracing due to VRAM issues alone. HW unboxed did a video on it.

[latent gate]

AMD in general isn't really enough for the long term with their current architectural design

[smoky flame]

thing is AMD might not even focus entirely on RT with RDNA 4. There was an interview a while back where they said they'd be doing their own thing so idk what that'll mean for RT going forward

[latent gate]

Unless they use neural net algorithms for RT acceleration

but that also requires ML Silicon

[exotic jacinth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh7kFgHe21k

[latent gate]

like, AMD also needs more VRAM for RT focus since the RAU are so slow

they can't buffer BVH calculations quickly enough

so they sit in VRAM for longer

all it'd take is NVIDIA bumping their VRAM up and AMD's performance is effectively worthless

cheaper, sure.

but for what?

[smoky flame]

isn't the ML silicon there with RDNA 3?

[latent gate]

I can't recall if it was ever included. I know it was rumored before launch

but to my knowledge it never made it on-die

[smoky flame]

there is something to do with ML that RDNA 3 has, I'll have to look back on the slides when the 7900 XT/XTX launched as it had it

[latent gate]

it says it does

but it doesn't support any practical use for it atm

the most I've heard is it being used for other things unrelated to gaming. to the point it's barely a footnote in their marketing

[exotic jacinth]

I did have the 3070 at one point but got the 3080Ti about a year ago as I was constantly running out of VRAM if I wanted to use higher texture settings even at 1440p. I know some recent games like last of us and Forspoken looks really bad on 8GB before getting patched but will only be more of an issue going forward. RE4 also crashes on the 3070 if you want to use ray tracing and higher textures due to running out of VRAM while the 6800 will still work through it ok.

[latent gate]

I mean, arguably the 3070 is not designed for ultra-high end stuff

[smoky flame]

interesting, then it could be that AMD's focus goes more in the direction of ML technologies with RDNA 4

[latent gate]

unlikely

FSR is still designed to be ML Agnostic, unless they really want to update it to take use of ML across the board.

at which point PS5 would be stopped at FSR 2.x

[exotic jacinth]

The 3070 was more than capable but it really needs 16GB to make use of those features

[latent gate]

you're loading higher textures which also means a more detailed BVH on higher settings

that's not more than capable

those by design would be higher impact settings for higher performance cards

also considering RE Engine's RT implementation in the Resident Evil games is honestly kinda terrible

[smoky flame]

well there is some talk that FSR 3 could be exclusive to AMD hardware, whether that would also include the consoles idk (I'd think so, somehow) but it could be making use of ML on top of being a rival to DLSS 3 + Frame Generation

[latent gate]

Playstation 5 does not support machine learning

Xbox Series consoles do

[smoky flame]

there was also talk of FSR 3 being a driver level implementation, a replacement for the exisiting RSR (Radeon Super Resolution) that apparently uses FSR 1 on a driver level

[exotic jacinth]

3070 was definitly limited though. Comparing it to the 2080Ti which usually gets similar results the extra VRAM there definitely helps in same scenarios

[latent gate]

2080Ti doesn't outperform in BVH calculations though

remember we're at a point to where rasterization performance is honestly just....not impressive to talk about

I don't care if a game runs at 5fps faster on something using 15 year old rendering techniques

since I'm buying a GPU that is supposed to last me into the future

a future where more and more engines are moving to wholly RT implementations

[smoky flame]

I still strongly prefer rasterization performance over ray tracing and path tracing that right now require solutions like DLSS to keep performance decent. Will try new games and their RT implementations as they release or update but they won't stay enabled for long considering the performance that that is to be had turning it all off. In some instances as much as 3x performance gains to be had

[latent gate]

rasterization performance as it's standing now has peaked

realistically it's beyond diminishing returns for games coming out

[smoky flame]

even greater gains if you count Cyberpunk 2077's path tracing. Get like 3 FPS at 4K ultra + path tracing vs 65-70 FPS at 4K ultra. I know what I'd be picking all day long

[latent gate]

at least to a point where VRAM will make as much of a difference. unless of course you're running 4k Textures on a 1440p display

You're blaming path-tracing for AMD's own inadequacies

that is flawed logic

like

It's not even funny how bad AMD's going to be at RT performance when wave-optical light simulation gets implemented into RT

[smoky flame]

sure, it's going to take AMD some serious catching up, which I do have doubts they will but here's hoping they do make some ground. RDNA 2 was like AMD's GPU equivalent to a Zen 3 moment. They need to have more of those and really keep the pressure on Nvidia where they can

[latent gate]

RDNA2 was AMD's equivalent to Zen 1

definitely not Zen 3

[exotic jacinth]

I had RDNA1 on the 5700XT. That thing had a lot of issues in hardware and drivers. Seems like 2 at least sorted that out.

[latent gate]

but remember. AMD's still playing catchup in just Rasterization

the one place that everyone else is effectively positioning to leave behind sooner rather than later

[smoky flame]

I just meant in the overall performance gains, especially vs RDNA 1. Many people were even writing AMD off in the GPU space pre RDNA 2 iirc and they hushed a lot of them up with what they released. Of course the RT stuff is lacking but that was first gen RT tech. Nvidia wasn't exactly all that impressive with their first gen RT tech either. These things are going to take time

[latent gate]

yeah. performance gains wise RDNA2 is literally just a zen 1 level jump

a good baseline

but still an exceptional amount of work to do to be remotely competing on the same playingfields as everyone else

[smoky flame]

well more of that and then some Zen 3 moments would be great for AMD and much needed

I have major doubts though, as I said that AMD could have a Zen 3 moment with their GPUs where they really take Nvidia to the sword like they did with Intel due to the sheer difference in budgets they have to work with. Probably end up going bust trying which wouldn't be good

without Zen 3 I think we'd still be on quad core CPUs, maybe moved onto 6 cores but I doubt we'd have anything like P cores and E cores and CPUs with combined core counts of 12+ cores (outside of HEDT at least)

[latent gate]

what

we've had 8 core CPU for years

well before Zen came around

[exotic jacinth]

Yeah things always change. I remember times when AMD or NVIDIA had the better architecture.

[latent gate]

probably because they were competing heavily

now it's just AMD barely playing catchup

[exotic jacinth]

Kepler for example was pretty bad compared to the 7970 at the time. Really didn't age well at all.

[latent gate]

AMD's not exactly innovating in the graphics space when it comes to upcoming technological breakthroughs on rendering like they used to

we haven't really seen AMD compete with NVIDIA the same way that ATI did

[smoky flame]

I don't think i saw any of that play out 😦

Only got into PC gaming from 2016 properly

[latent gate]

then you should know. applauding AMD for actually giving a damn about old stuff isn't what should be applauded.

if they want to actually move significant market share on the desktop space, they need to start competing with all of the companies in that space

even Apple Silicon has a better RT-focus than AMD

[smoky flame]

still honestly feel like a real newbie with a lot of the stuff but learning as I go along and hope I'm making some progress with that... Idk though

[exotic jacinth]

Kepler basically GTX 600 and 700 series aged like milk compared to AMD cards at the time. Didn't support DX12 fully and didn't work well with newer techniques that the consoles were using

[smoky flame]

yeah, that was a little before I got into all this. My first GPU was a 980 Ti (Maxwell) tfw Nvidia's GPUs cost around $650-700 for top tier performance

[exotic jacinth]

Maxwell was much better than Kepler at least

[latent gate]

at least Kepler wasn't Fermi

[smoky flame]

well I had nothing but a GTX 750 prebuild to go off of before that. Something I'd rather forget. Targeted the high end since where I could but cost is becoming an issue so I either have to look at spacing it out or look at the next best tier that hopefully costs less, just like the old 980 Ti vs Titan X costs were. Only thing I may be lacking is some VRAM and CUs still a new GPU that will likely provide some improvements over the GPU before it, even a tier below

[exotic jacinth]

I still have a GTX570 around here somewhere in an XP rig lol. It gets really hot but at least the drivers seem alright still. Obviously it's just an offline machine

[smoky flame]

I heard a bunch of stuff about Fermi GPUs lol

[exotic jacinth]

HD 5000 and 6000 were pretty good at the time and decent prices compared to Nvidia

This was the time when the CPU offering were awful but GPUs were peak

[latent gate]

I have an old 2GB ATI

[short goblet]

It was trash

[latent gate]

I'm not referring to the AMD FX line

since those weren't actually 8 cores.

[short goblet]

Yeah

[latent gate]

Intel's 8-core predates AMD's

[exotic jacinth]

Yeah 4C 8T on the mainstream intel CPUs until 8th gen intel. The Xeons had more than that

[latent gate]

yerp

[smoky flame]

I was only aware of the 4c 8t Intel CPUs. As far as I can remember there were no actual 8 core CPUs outside of hyperthreading or HEDT (xeons and X core or whatever they called it that likely became i9) offering. AMD offering a true 8 c 16t CPU really shook things up with Zen 1 and things only improved to a point AMD really took the fight to Intel with Zen 3, hence why I call it a Zen 3 moment. Then there was also the 3D V Cache addition later

[latent gate]

Zen 1 was just cheaper

that's the only real difference AMD made

8 core existed for a few years prior, but it was absurdly expensive.

[exotic jacinth]

I don't really remember games pushing more than 4 cores until around 2018. Could get away with a 2500K for like 7 years.

[latent gate]

could get away with a lot for a long time since the CPU space didn't really move

[smoky flame]

I remember looking at a 10 core Intel option a while back and was serious about trying to get it thinking it would have been cool. Glad I never went ahead with it at the time as it was stupidly expensive (£700+ iirc) that same £700+ gets me 16+ cores now and a proud owner of a 7950X3D (even if it was a bit of an impulse purchase haha)

[exotic jacinth]

I'm on the 10 core 10900K still now. Was the best you could get for gaming at the time and still not bad but will probably do a new build in 2025 or whenever the next GPUs come out.

[smoky flame]

similar to the target of 3 years I hoped to reach before upgrading my 5600X (didn't quite make it to 3 years obviously) I hope to get at least 3 years out of my 7950X3D before considering upgrading the CPU again. Hopefully by that point (February 2026) AM5 as a platform is in a good place but Intel is also an option. Keeping all options wide open with the only real limitation being cost

probably not going to go for an AMD CPU with two CCD again though. This 7950X3D is a once off

[exotic jacinth]

I could probably push the 10900K until around 2027 if I was to guess but if I wanted a new GPU would make sense to just go with a new build as well to get the most out of it. Ryzen 3000 series though is already having issues now in games, 9th and 10th gen intel definitely have a bit more life in them at the upper end.

[smoky flame]

I think Zen 2's biggest issue is the cores were split into multiple CCX within each CCD and this was bringing up hits to performance and latency since each CCX also had its own cache. Zen 3 removed the quad core CCX and separate cache in favour of octo core CCX that became one CCD with a more unified cache. Made a big difference overall, even those jumping from Zen 2 to Zen 3 saw it

(at least that's how I understand how Zen 2 to Zen 3 played out)

on Intel 10th gen though, aren't they EOL? firmware updates etc no longer supported. Might still have some life in it but lack of updates, even if minor could become a security risk amongst other things

[exotic jacinth]

Don't think they get integrated graphics drivers anymore but the motherboards themselves are still getting updates and it will be supported on W11 until that is done.

Most important thing is that you are on a supported OS for general users

[smoky flame]

oh yeah, that was what I read. My bad so you should probably be good for at least another year still 🙂

[reef gulch]

Yoo

How’s everyone

[winged lion]

i'm having a problem where my cursor is offset when i record with xbox game bar on windows 11, so say i point my cursor at something while recording, on the video it appears to not actually be at where i want the cursor to show, but somewhere else like under it and to the right

if anyone could help i'd appreciate it

[fallen bobcat]

i just got the gta5 premium edition and shark card bundle do i have to wait for a few days or is something wrong?

[latent gate]

This is for PC gaming. If you purchased it through xbox then you will need to play it via console.

[fallen bobcat]

i got it on pc

[latent gate]

On which storefront?

GTA V on PC is not available through the Microsoft or Xbox Store.

[fallen bobcat]

i got it on steam

[latent gate]

Then it should be in your library if the purchase was successful.

[fallen bobcat]

i got the premium edition that also gives a whale card

ive loaded in but ive gotten nothin

im assuming i gotta wait a few days

[latent gate]

You have to claim it in-game.

From what I recall.

[fallen bobcat]

how?

[latent gate]

go to the menu where shark cards are sold iirc. promotional ones could take a couple of days though.

if it isn't deposited into your account then contact Rockstar Support.

[fallen bobcat]

Okay so I’ve contacted Rockstar support and they said that I’d have to wait a minimum of 24 hours

[latent gate]

You said you purchased it on steam

Microsoft Support can not help you with Steam Purchases.

[keen bloom]

Wait if amd makes 3d stacked gpu next gen does it mean that the gpu is 3 gpus in 1

[pulsar void]

No, it means it's more powerful for the same die area (broadly speaking)

[smoky flame]

3d stacked GPUs as in the cores or memory? They already have infinity cache that have their own chiplets with RDNA 3 (though currently limited to their RX 7900 series GPUs iirc). I could see AMD utilize the chiplet design even more in the near future. Especially if it means being able to increase performance while lowering power (like how their Ryzen processors work vs Intel and their more monolithic design) though initially for the first few generations there will probably some teething issues with power consumption and software

[pulsar void]

I assume it's cores, the cache stacking they announced in 2021

2023 they announced stacking compute

[spring hedge]

My board’s SSD slots have thermal paste on them factory, is an SSD in a heatsink okay with paste on the rear? and how should I properly store the screw-on cover which also has paste. Since it obviously won’t fit with the heatsink

[spring hedge]

I want to figure out why my Series X controller has to reconnect to my PC like every 10 seconds the last few weeks after always working fine.

[exotic jacinth]

M.2 slots usually have thermal pads if a heatsink is included not paste

[spring hedge]

The panel that covers the SSD, there’s paste with a peel away plastic strip on it’s underside, and more paste with a strip on the board underneath

The panel won’t fit with the heatsink, will the SSD be fine with paste on its rear?

[smoky flame]

if you are able to post a picture of what you mean it might help a bit

[spring hedge]

I don’t have attachment privilege here

[smoky flame]

hmm, ok waht motherboard and SSD have you got?

[iron spindle]

you can upload a video or picture too a sharing site then post the link here

but in genreal if your using a heatsink you shouldnt need to use pads or paste

[smoky flame]

shouldn't be paste near these M.2 SSDs. Pads, sure but that's why I'm trying to clear up and understand a bit what's going on with their M.2 slot. There's built in heatsinks that include at least one pad on the reverse side that you will want to peel the plastic off of before installing the SSD into the slot but then there are also M.2 SSDs with their own heatsinks that use just that as cooling and the built in solution won't be compatible

[exotic jacinth]

I’m not sure if they mean thermal pads instead of paste. Thermal paste shouldn’t be anywhere near a pcie slot.

[smoky flame]

looks like I was right with there being a new update for Star Wars Jedi: Survivor. Haven't checked the update notes yet but got an update for the game on the EA app

[north nymph]

Is there a way I could export an image from Yakuza 5 on pc? There is this disclamer image and I want to download it on my pc but I couldnt find any high resolution pics of it online

[pulsar void]

Print screen?

[flat jetty]

My Xbox Wireless adapter isn't working.

[raven hull]

Update your window drivers.

[floral acorn]

Can anyone help me out with the Wireless Adapter when using the headset on PC? For whatever reason, I can't actually adjust the system master volume

So far my only solution has been to use the actual microphone with the adapter while keeping the headset speakers on BT, but is there a way to fix it with just the adapter?

[full flint]

PC is BEST

[ruby spear]

No platform wars, please.

[potent frigate]

I bought dishonored and it keeps dropping to 15 or less frames when I move the mouse can someone help me figure it out

[obsidian bobcat]

For support, head over to #1091756150644555946 and read through the pinned Self help topic as well as search to see if your issue has been solved previously and you can solve the issue on your own. If you still need assistance, you can create a new post, but please read through the post guidelines first.

NOTE: This is community sourced support and there is no official support here on Discord. People will help if/when they are able to. If you have an issue regarding your account and/or billing, reach out to official support at https://support.xbox.com/contact-us/ for assistance.

[gentle trellis]

Hey , so i wanted to ask if GTA V is only exclusive for console users only ?

[ruby spear]

Yes, console only.

[gentle trellis]

thanks , appreciate it

[full flint]

So my PC nvme I'm narrowing it down wd black sn 770 teamgroup mp34 and the Crucial P5 Plus what would u choose

[full flint]

Huuuh GTA v console only no it's on PC....

[raven hull]

That was a very “5 hours later” moment

[last remnant]

I think they meant gamepass?

[smoky flame]

the Crucial M.2 seems the best out of the three

[full flint]

Actually i ended up gettint the wd black not only is it a good nvme but I got a free game with it

[smoky flame]

ooh, nice!

[full flint]

I ended up snagging the battlefield bundle so it kinda makes it a tad better 😂

Now my main worry comes into play do I need a new power supply for my GPU I want because if I need a power supply it's probably going to be my purchase before my CPU and GPU

[smoky flame]

that's another SSD entirely and the predecessor to the SN770. Just make sure that promo is still actually active. Seems like its been around forever

[full flint]

Regardless the branding on the thing makes it kinda cool to me but it comes with a game code so I wanna say it is

[smoky flame]

ok, that's good

[full flint]

Ya says here actually

[smoky flame]

in regards to your power supply what you got just now and what CPU and GPU you getting?

[full flint]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/papandbuddyg/saved/#view=GnQ9K8

My main concern is that power supply it's on the supported list from multiple sources

But I'm not 100% sure if I'm going to run into issues while using it

Obviously at that point overclocking and upgrading is out of the subject until i get a new power supply and more then likely motherboard

[smoky flame]

never heard of that brand and power supply is one thing you really don't want to cheap out on. For a 7900 XTX I'd recommend an 850W power supply

[full flint]

The power supply kinda came with the PC that was gifted to me

So it's like already there but in terms of does it need upgraded is what I'm wondering

[smoky flame]

it'll have to be replaced then if you are serious about getting a 7900 XTX

[full flint]

Also another person told me it recommend 750

[full flint]

Could I realisically get the CPU first

[smoky flame]

what CPU you got right now?

[full flint]

I'll just causally pull the power supply from my original build idea

[full flint]

3600

[wanton sedge]

How do I connect my wired x box controller to my game pass Pc?

I’ve tried everything

[full flint]

Corsair RM1000x (2021) 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply that's the power supply I'll move to loool

[smoky flame]

5800X3D will consume a bit more power than a 3600 but I can't see why there would be an issue. Just be sure to update your motherboard's BIOS version in advance to one that supports the 5800X3D just to be sure

[full flint]

Ya that power supply raised questions when thinkinking about how powerful the xtx actually is I'm still questioning why and how it's on the supported list

[smoky flame]

looks like your motherboard also have 4 revisions so you'll need to find a way to check what revision you got. Latest supports the 5800X3D out of the box it would appear while older revisions will require F61 BIOS version at the very least in order to boot

[full flint]

Ya it support it just needs a simple flash update

Flash updates are reallt easy

[smoky flame]

put it this way, I have a 7900 XTX and back when I originally got the GPU I had a 650W power supply and it was not enough. Some games caused the power supply to cut out. Something about transient power spikes at play. First time encountering it and it freaked me out to the point I bought what I'd deem a rather overkill 850W power supply but have had no such issues with the 7900 XTX since and even upgraded to a 7950X3D CPU too and again, no issues from that with the power supply

[dusky wave]

u mean connect to ur pc? most of wired controllers r plug and play

is rdr1 on pc?

[wanton sedge]

For some reason I am connecting my wired controller and only game pass games aren’t detecting it

I wasted a full month of game pass already bc of this

[dusky wave]

i used both the turtle beach recon black and starfield controller no issues. Did u update the firmware?

[wanton sedge]

I believe so, what would I do to double check?

[dusky wave]

u could always use kbm if u didnt want to waste the month

[wanton sedge]

I have been but the main games I want to play don’t play right on kbm

It detects the controller on steam.

[dusky wave]

@smoky flame any better gameplay wth jedi survivor with updates?

[smoky flame]

latest update was just a small one, v6.5. No real changes. I uninstalled the game but will revisit it some day

[dusky wave]

then i made the right choice with getting hogwarts legacy and wait til survivor hits ea play in several months

[smoky flame]

I got it free with my CPU so I can't really complain but it definitely needs some serious fixing

[dusky wave]

damn. that makes it even worse 4 me. i got only a 5600 vs ur 7900x3d

[karmic moat]

whats withpc gamepass telling me to join for £1 then only offering the 8 and 13 quid options

[dusky wave]

the 1 pound is only for new subscribers

[karmic moat]

yeah but ive bought it multiple times for £1 yet i still get the option every few months but even though i cant buy it why advertise that its for sale for £1

[dusky wave]

they did say its for new subscribers. u got 2 read the fine print

[karmic moat]

true but since im not a new subscriber why is it telling me i can buy it for £1 when quite clearly i cant, i guess microsoft is getting lazy

[wanton sedge]

My game is now detecting the controller but I can’t press anything

[dusky wave]

that better but still not good.

[wanton sedge]

Yup

Got it to work

[dusky wave]

how did u fix it?

[wanton sedge]

There is a setting for xbox that disabled controllers

[dusky wave]

damn. silly mistake lol

[wanton sedge]

Fr

[dusky wave]

@wanton sedge whats ur next game? im playing a few games on my backlog til starfield

[wanton sedge]

Never tried rdr2

May buy that on ps

[dusky wave]

main story is very long lol

[wanton sedge]

I need a LONG game

An example is Jedi survivor beat it in ab 2 days

[dusky wave]

did u did everthing or just main story?

[wanton sedge]

Everything

[pulsar void]

Blah, silly windows update is boot looping the HTPC. I think it's the Nvidia drivers though, so full power to 480p, install the update, install the drivers. That's tomorrow afternoon planned

[amber venture]

Did u speedrun?

[wanton sedge]

No

[vernal forum]

Should I build a pc or buy a pre built?

[smoky flame]

building a PC means there is no additional costs while having full control of a build and being able to add higher quality components than most prebuilds will offer, though that itself might come at a higher cost

[full flint]

yo does anyone know how to play xbox on desktop monitor

[raven hull]

Some prebuilds have the option to upgrade parts. For me the cost is about the same. The pro for build on your own is that you can save by waiting for the sale on the part. I normally do a mix of both, find I prebuild I like and then upgrade parts as sales come along.

[raven hull]

Xbox + HDMI + monitor

[full flint]

i did that and nothing is happening

[dusty vector]

Did you switch the input on your monitor?

[full flint]

nah

[dusty vector]

And your desktop isn't an all-in-one PC, right?

[full flint]

oh it is aio

[dusty vector]

Then it's not a monitor

[full flint]

f

[dusty vector]

Barely any AIO's have an HDMI in

[full flint]

my one has hdmi

i plugged the xbox hdmi into it

[dusty vector]

It's almost certainly an out

If it is an in, you'll have to find how to switch the input

FWIW, I once owned an AIO with an HDMI in (it was a long time ago)

[full flint]

cant find a way to switch yet

[dusty vector]

Are you sure it’s an in?

[devout remnant]

Next 2-3 years exciting for monitors, personally will look to buy OLED 1440p 480Hz when it’s released

[pulsar void]

What resolution is 5120x2160?
Dual 4K ain't it? 4k+4k?

[smoky flame]

I think that would be 7680x2160. Samsung have the Neo G9 2023 that will have a dual 4K ultra wide display

[blissful carbon]

no its just wider 4k

[smoky flame]

definitely can't wait to see what the future of monitor display tech brings and going beyond 4K. I've no interest in ultrawides so my next major resolution upgrade will probably be 5120x2880 (5K or 2880p? )

[dusky wave]

The gpus really 2 play catchup with 5k and up on those monitors lol

[exotic jacinth]

Only 5K screen I've used was the one built into the iMacs

[dusky wave]

Can u tell the diff between 4k and 5k?

[exotic jacinth]

I can't really tell the difference between them at 27 inches.

[smoky flame]

going to need a much larger screen. Ideally one that doesn't require any scaling on windows end (100%) but that at 4K is like 45 inches so it will be even more at 5K. At that point it becomes a TV lol

[dusky wave]

True. But at that price its probably cheaper getting a tv as ur display though

[pulsar void]

OLED TVs are quite pricey and generally not high refresh rate

[exotic jacinth]

I can definitely tell the difference between 1440p and 4K at 27 inches but more than that it's not really noticeable

[dusky wave]

Who is actually using 5k screens. Nobody makes anything in 5k not netflix or anybody

[pulsar void]

Passengers was 6K intermediate

[smoky flame]

just used one of those pixels per inch calculators and it said for 100% scaling on windows on a 5K monitor it would need a 60 inch monitor... Maybe I won't bother with that idea lol

[pulsar void]

So not yet but it's possible there might be some benefit

[pulsar void]

I have a 65" 4K and it's still set to 300% scaling

[exotic jacinth]

Yeah you need some form of scaling

[dusky wave]

Well not until those monitors or gpus support 5k at high fps and more reasonably priced lol

[exotic jacinth]

My 4K screens are scaled down to fit 1440p real estate otherwise things are way too small

[dusky wave]

Though probably not for several years

[pulsar void]

I can understand it from a productivity perspective

[pulsar void]

Same diff really

[smoky flame]

TVs have some weird scaling stuff going on. I tried the LG C1 I originally bought for myself (brother now has it) and it scaled to 300%. Icons and everything was huge. Guessing windows scaling wasn't made for 4K and higher still resolutions in mind?

[exotic jacinth]

It's just 1440p real estate but everything is much sharper

[dusky wave]

Is there any content in 5k rn?

[exotic jacinth]

Not that I know of

[pulsar void]

I mean you can easily change it, but sat 6' away means I can't read nout at 100%

[dusky wave]

Thats what i thought

I only sit like a few feet away from my 4k 28 inch monitor

[exotic jacinth]

Same

[smoky flame]

there is a cheat I can do to get 5K resolution. Hold on

[pulsar void]

What I'm imagining this looks like

[dusky wave]

No. Thats too damn close at that size

[exotic jacinth]

I don't really like playing games on a huge screen for me either personally.

[dusky wave]

Same

[pulsar void]

Nice

[smoky flame]

going to try and run Diablo 4 on that. See how my 7900 XTX does 😄

[dusky wave]

@smoky flame does ur monitor actually displays 5k?

[pulsar void]

Got a fire extinguisher on standby I hope

[smoky flame]

no, native 4K but using AMD VSR. Nvidia have a similar feature

could go all the way up to 8K

[pulsar void]

8K or "8K"

[dusky wave]

Plus i saw a YouTube vid that people cant tell diff between 4k and 8k in gaming

[exotic jacinth]

I can't see myself ever getting an 8K screen. I don't need the extra pixels

[pulsar void]

I've seen that and seen an 8K TV that didn't seem any different to 4K that was stood next to it

Unless it was the content I guess

[smoky flame]

ooh, it actually applied 😮

[exotic jacinth]

4K feels more like a nice to have for me in terms of games. I am ok playing at 1080p if needs be, still looks decent.

[dusky wave]

Its not like the average joe could afford 8k monitors rn

[pulsar void]

I'm with you. But there are dozens of people that would argue the toss until the cows come home. HDR/WCG is more of a leap than 4x the pixels

[dusky wave]

Tbh i play in 4k but i rarely play in hdr

[pulsar void]

Still crazy to me that the PS4 can do 1080p/HDR

[exotic jacinth]

Yeah I remember it was patched in but wasn't for the fat XB1. Can't remember why now

[smoky flame]

wow, 60+ FPS (seems to peak at around 80 FPS) at "5K" on Diablo 4 That's more than playable to me

[pulsar void]

Hardware probably?

[dusky wave]

How about 4k?

[exotic jacinth]

Much VRAM usage difference between 4K with max textures?

I heard you need 16GB for max textures alone

[smoky flame]

4K can pass 100 FPS

[smoky flame]

VRAM usage hits over 23GB at both 4K and 5K at maxed settings so no real difference. Pretty sure I'm being limited by VRAM, which is crazy to even say with 24GB lol

[exotic jacinth]

Yeah that is mad

[smoky flame]

reverted back to 4K. Was a fun little test haha

[devout remnant]

UltraWide 4K

Could say 5K

[devout remnant]

My OLED TV is 120Hz which is as good as LCD 240Hz.

[devout remnant]

At 27” probably not, but there will be benefits until you reach around 480 PPI

Although imo the best size for desktop 4K is 32”

1440p is perfect for 27” when going for high FPS

Although 4K does look ridiculously good & sharp on 27”

I’d trade resolution for the 480Hz

[smoky flame]

part of me still wishes I had waited for 4K OLED 240Hz monitors to hit the market. I'm not sure I can justify going from a 4K 240Hz mini-LED monitor to OLED 😦

[devout remnant]

No comparison between the 2, OLED is just far superior but hey it’s 2-3 years away anyway

[smoky flame]

sure but I could have just waited, saved up and been more than ready for when they do land on shelves. Not to say I won't be ready but mini-led certainly hasn't been what I expected. ThoughI think my problem was having seen what OLED can do with the LG C1 I had bought before this monitor. To see the true power of this monitor I need to enable local dimming as contrast gets much deeper but it comes at the cost of a halo like effect due to limitations around the FALD zones. Something OLED doesn't have since every single pixel is effectively a zone being self lit

actually wonder how well my phone's camera will pick up the difference between auto (loacal dimming appears to be off in this mode) and setting local dimming to high...

left is auto and right is local dimming set to high

[devout remnant]

That’s why I never turned on zoning when I had a FLAD display

The blooming and cost to performance was too bad

[latent gate]

local dimming is only good on extremely high zone-count monitors

which are much more expensive than that one

[smoky flame]

this monitor has a lot of dimming zones though. Most I've seen on a monitor (though I will admit I've kind of fallen behind since about this time last year with monitors so it may not be the most now)

[latent gate]

how many does it have?

[smoky flame]

1196 zones. There are larger TVs I have seen with far less that cost similar

[latent gate]

idk. that's fairly average for upper-mid end monitors atm

[smoky flame]

hmm, what is the higher end's local dimming zones count?

[latent gate]

1200-1300.

it's not much higher

but it also has to consider panel type. monitors with over 1100Mini-LED dimming zones shouldn't have that much blooming

[smoky flame]

could it be to do with the brightness I have it set at? I've noticed blooming on my living room TV but that caan be excused (despite costing £100 more than this monitor did) as it is 55 inches, 4K and has less than half the zones, lol

also, you should see it with text... Looks horrible. Blooming all over the place 😦

[devout remnant]

You’re going to get blooming regardless

Even if it had 2,500 zones

It’s just nature of the technology.

[latent gate]

blooming will happen, yeah.

but the severity of blooming is generally what changes

[lyric olive]

@smoky flamewhat monitor is that one?

I've got a Neo G9 with 2048 zones, so 1024 per 27" screen, essentially, and a Sony A80J - the G9 has impressed me, sure there's some blooming and things like starfields you can tell, but all in all it holds up pretty well against the OLED

and it's far brighter

[obtuse edge]

I'm chilling till the 77" s90c goes down a bit more. 4k 144hz qdoled

[smoky flame]

I have the Neo G8

[pulsar void]

I love Samsung's naming nonsense. Almost as good as apple for giving technology interesting names to make them sound more impressive than they are

[obtuse edge]

Lol

[devout remnant]

Samsungs is usually easily to understand

S = Top Tier Category

90 - model tier

C - Product Year

[pulsar void]

I meant their "quantum dot" nonsense

[idle lantern]

Quantum Dot is literally qled

I don't see how that's non-sense

Quantum Dot is a technology used in display panels to enhance color reproduction and overall picture quality. Quantum Dots are tiny semiconductor nanocrystals that can emit precise and vibrant colors when exposed to light or an electrical current. These dots are used as a color filter in LED-backlit LCD displays.

Here's how it works:

1. Blue LED backlight: The TV's backlight consists of blue LEDs, which are used to provide the initial light source.

2. Quantum Dots: Between the LED backlight and the LCD layer, there is a film containing Quantum Dots. These dots absorb the blue light emitted by the LEDs and re-emit it as more specific colors.

3. Color filtering: The light passes through the Quantum Dots, which filter it into red and green colors.

4. Color mixing: When combined with the existing blue light, this filtered light creates a broad spectrum of colors, resulting in more accurate and vibrant color representation on the screen.

The use of Quantum Dot technology in QLED TVs allows for a wider color gamut and better color accuracy compared to traditional LED-LCD TVs. This results in improved HDR (High Dynamic Range) performance, richer colors, and enhanced viewing experiences.

[pulsar void]

QLED is just LED with a fancy named filter...got it
(Which is exactly my point)

[idle lantern]

Your point is that they use this name to make it fancy, but they do indeed use quantum Dots, quantum Dots are the appropriate naming for this technology.

[pulsar void]

Then this was a bad example, they definitely pull that though in marketing

[idle lantern]

How would you call the use of Quantum Dots in your technology? Like I don't get what's the problem in its naming.
It's literally perfect, quantum isn't a fancy word, neither are dots.

And you're blaming samsung for this "non-sense", when other company like sony, hisense and TCL use it too.

[pulsar void]

...I already admitted it was a bad example 🤨

[idle lantern]

You also did say that they pulled it though in marketing,, I don't get if you tried to use it as an argument .

Every single company promotes a new technology when they discover one, how is Samsung the one to blame then?

[pulsar void]

S pen is one. It's...a touch pen... But no, call it S pen because it's Samsung 😂

[idle lantern]

First of all, this argument was about qled,

Here are some reasons why the Samsung S Pen is more than just a marketing tool:

1. Enhanced User Experience: The S Pen offers a more intuitive and natural way to interact with the device compared to using fingers alone. It enables precise drawing, note-taking, and navigating through menus and apps with greater accuracy.

2. Productivity and Creativity: The S Pen enhances productivity by allowing users to take notes, draw, edit documents, and perform other tasks more efficiently. It is especially useful for professionals, artists, and students who rely on digital note-taking and drawing capabilities.

3. Air Actions: In some Samsung devices, the S Pen comes with Air Actions, which means you can use gestures in the air to perform various actions, such as switching camera modes, controlling multimedia playback, and more. This feature adds an extra layer of convenience and innovation.

4. Remote Control: In certain Samsung devices, the S Pen can serve as a remote control, allowing you to take photos, control presentations, and navigate through the device's interface without physically touching the screen.

5. Integration with Software: Samsung has integrated the S Pen with specific software applications, enabling unique features and functionalities. For example, you may get additional options when using the S Pen in certain drawing or note-taking apps.

6. Specific Device Compatibility: The S Pen is designed to work with specific Samsung devices, such as the Galaxy Note series and select tablets. This integration showcases that it is more than just a generic stylus, tailor-made to complement the capabilities of these devices.

I honestly don't get why your hate is centralized to Samsung, like how is S pen even fancy

[pulsar void]

It's a touch pen.

[idle lantern]

I'm pretty sure it's not just a touch pen