classic

[noble forge]

no

[west mantle]

oh? was that a thing in cata than ?

[noble forge]

no idea what you are talking about tbh weapon range never mattered as feral

dps matters cause of the AP you get

[west mantle]

just remember someone back in cata or so telling me lower attack speed / higher weapon dmg is better for ferals since we dont care about weapon speed
that just stuck with me xD

so i wanted to ask about it again

never questioned it until now

[noble forge]

I dont fully know about cata but im pretty convinced that was false there too

but it 100% is false in wrath

(or classic/tbc)

[west mantle]

yeah might be now that i look into it

i think it was this

i am not sure though xD

[steel remnant]

ook do i call out of raid next week for wrath launch

or do i go farm SFO parses

[empty basalt]

the only thing about weapons that matter to ferals is the stats...thats all a weapon is to us is a stat stick.

[west mantle]

fair enough, thanks 😄

[noble forge]

while true should still add that the weapon dps directly gives you the AP on a weapon making weapon dps still effectivly most important

because it does give the AP

[plucky epoch]

hey guys just started boomie on classic

[empty basalt]

you will have fun...until 32 ish then you will get tired of drinking and wish you were feral till 65 ish were you will want to go back to boomy

also mechanics question: what determines the cleave target for Maul? proximity? threat? health? or something else?(worried about spreading my cleave a bit more for tanking and maintaining threat)

[noble forge]

think its proximity

[hidden arrow]

It swipes right more than Left

[shy lake]

Attack speed can affect PPM trinkets but it’s pretty negligible

[noble forge]

Are there any ppm trinkets?

Also weapon speed shouldn't change your speed so it changing proccs seems weird

[empty basalt]

so if i want to hit other mobs i need to keep jigging then

[noble forge]

Not sure what jigging is but you need to swap targets for proper threat yes

[shy lake]

Shouldn’t but it does. You can look at TBC sims and it shows that the PPM trinkets and OOC are different values if you’re using a 3.5 vs 2.5 weapon regardless of having a fixed attack rate.

[shy lake]

I’m assuming he means jiggling back and forth

[shy lake]

It’s generally not going to matter. The difference is small enough that it shouldn’t be a defining factor. Even if it pushes something like 5 DPS over depending on weapon, there are still larger factors and variance in play

[noble forge]

I hate classic tcs

Using ppm when it is a totally different thing

[empty basalt]

don't forget we are working off of WotLK mechanics now...i think that was one of the things that changed between BC and WotLK. I do remember that back in the day we kept saying weapon speed and damage didn't matter to ferals because Kitty and Bear weaps where built into the shapeshift.

[empty basalt]

yeah it means moving only slightly to keep the mobs shifting about

but mostly in one spot

[noble forge]

Just checked the druid discord out yea does seem to be irrelevant in wrath

But mattered some in tbc/classic even tho it shouldn't

[astral yew]

Is there any snapshot bleed power tracker for wotlk classic?

[shy lake]

Probably

[noble forge]

Try to look for a weakaura I'm sure it exists too

[shy lake]

I’d guess it’s built in to the newer version of the All in Ones from TBC

[smoky spruce]

So far, whats the best idol(Resto) for PvE & PvP??

[plucky epoch]

is there a guide to tell me what pvp gear to buy? freshly lvld boomie in classic

[mental crystal]

Buy boomy gear

[hidden arrow]

Crit

[crystal shale]

Do boomies just spam hurricane/typhoon/starfall for dungeouns, or is there an actual rotation? I can only find info on ST

[hidden arrow]

Depends if you're ooc juicing

But yeah lots of hurricane at 4/5 targets, single target below that

Unless you have a chonky tank cautious about Starfall

And melee hate typhoon

[crystal shale]

Tanks a full prepatch bis pally

Will my mana/5 more or less keep mana up or should I talent into some of the mana regen talents?

[hidden arrow]

Once you have ooc you can fish for proc on big pulls

Might mean backing out of Starfall early on if it's a concern

Like it totally depends on gear but hurricane is rough on the blue

[noble forge]

as someone who has played moonkin on private servers for a bit

you absolutely need every mana talent

not totally sure which glyphs are available atm you can consider innervate glyph too

also loads of talents in the "optimal" talent setup are very very little dps gain or are sometimes just straight up bad due to not having the same stats as with bis t10 stuff

[crystal shale]

Got it, thanks for advice guys

[noble forge]

also get the lvl 70 water

its insane

[tribal pike]

guys what better for levleing in wotlk bommie for feral?

[shy lake]

Feral

Feral is the king of marathon leveling. Fast, safe and never has to stop

Also you have ready access to tanking for getting your dungeon quests done

[hidden arrow]

Wat

I mean yeah boomkin have to drink, but they can also chew up 7 targets in the time feral does 1

[noble forge]

think I agree with feral, maybe if you have insane gear moonkin could beat

[shy lake]

Even BIS gear only lasts so long. Add in server launch population and you probably aren’t getting mass pulls in

[noble forge]

yea

but with that argument you could go so far to say that best lvling in wotlk is probably dungeon grinding

for which moonkin would win again

[shy lake]

You just going to solo dungeon level until 80?

[noble forge]

didnt say solo

both will be totally fine

[nimble vigil]

Feral and boomie are both fine and quick for leveling through wrath, 70-80 takes long enough I would recommend the one you prefer so you don't start to resent the druid tbh.

[cosmic zinc]

I’m leveling via questing and dungeon as Balance (so I can heal dungeons and dps quests) and my question is when I really have to switch over to resto to actually heal properly. I’m currently 32. What do you guys think? I’m grinding mercilessly yo hit 68+ before WOTLK drops.

My end goal is main spec Resto and dual spec Bear

And which is faster, quests or dungeon spam? I’m doing both so I don’t get bored but now it’s crunch time.

[noble forge]

never

also pretty sure feral would be better

compared to balance

for healing

there are some very reasonable talents

[noble forge]

unless you have a group of people helping you id say questing

[cold moth]

What server are you on @cosmic zinc ? And horde or ally

[cosmic zinc]

Alliance sunfury @cold moth

[cosmic zinc]

What level do I need to be resto to heal dungeons or can I heal as balance until 70?

[noble forge]

you absolutely can heal as none resto

again I dont think balance is better then feral at least before like 50 ish

or sth

(for healing)

[cosmic zinc]

So you think I can heal dungeons and quest as Feral about as good as balance?

[noble forge]

yes

or rather better

cause early feral is for sure better

for questing

just gotta collect int gear

and swap

[cosmic zinc]

Well this changes a lot of stuff. I went balance because I was under the impression it was the only option if you wanted to heal while DPS. I didn’t realize I could bear tank or cat DPS but still effectively heal if I didn’t have all of the casting goodies in balance

[noble forge]

well look in the tree

what goodies are there what you have?

its gonna be not much

[cosmic zinc]

%Int increase, crit enhancement

That’s about it

And HoT increased uptime

[noble forge]

like early on 5% hot healing - being really not much the haste on crits being also close to useless cause if you crit the person wont need healing for ages and you have close to 0 crit

[cosmic zinc]

I am doing the Wowhead Balance leveling build

I see, so it’s technically an advantage but not necessarily significant to make a diff

[noble forge]

where is the int increase btw?

I guess something like Moonglow

is quite good

there is one in feral

[cosmic zinc]

For some reason my phone isn’t letting me see the name in th builder but it’s in Balance , 5 row down, far left talent

Looks similar to the resurrection icon

[noble forge]

it does not do what you think it does

[cosmic zinc]

I believe I just misspoke when I speech to texted. %int *SP increase

[shy lake]

Basically, feral tree is better for off healing if you have an offset. The %int from HotW is nice because you really just want the mana pool.

Balance’s advantage is just that you might have some gear overlap.

Overall, dungeons are rather easy to heal with no talents if you’re a decent healer. Just bring mana pots to patch mistakes

[distant cove]

hey guys, whats the wep for resto pvp? the staff or 1h + oh?
[14:51]
in tbc

for pvp

[vague shore]

哈喽

[cosmic zinc]

That makes sense. I main a druid heals on retail which is obvious really different in lots of way but healing as a task has a lot of overlap

I’ve been collecting a Int/Spirit/SP load out because of boomkin. I’ve been also stashing feral gear so I could roughly swap spec and have healer set.

Is feral only favored for leveling because of lack of drinking downtime?

[empty basalt]

mostly...that and it's faster paced than slow casting of starfire

[sterile beacon]

for boomie, is 3% starfire crit = 10% more int?

[shy lake]

I'd say in a purely solo scenario, feral is probably the best leveling experience in all classes.

1. You have 0 downtime since you have your entire manabar for healing after.
2. You have access to bear to solo strong elite quests and cat for just general clearing.
3. Access to good stealth for skipping past trash to get to the objective.
4. Lots of "oh shit" stuff you can do on an overpull between healing, roots, sleep, and just plain running (travel form / dash)
5. Immediate access to a tank role fast queue for when you want to get a dungeon quest done

[cosmic zinc]

I’m going to go home and respec Feral/Resto and give it a whirl. I need speed of questing but aSo the ability to be in a dungeon to heal or tank for ease of group

[cold moth]

So what weapon should I be getting with honor?

[versed briar]

Hello guys
I just used my sesame on a resto druid and will level in wotlk with a group of friend. Is the healing touch spe quite good or is it useless ? I never played rdruid wotlk but I played a lot in rbg with instant healing touch cast and I had a blast of fun and insane heal !

So should I take healing touch spec or not worth ? :p

Thanks

[empty basalt]

not worth it

focus on buffing your HoT healing and Mana

Ideally you will learn fights so that you can time your heals...be prepared to defend yourself from hater who say that your not doing enough numbers...ALOT our healing is anticipating damage and putting out HoTs BEFORE damage is taken. Healing Touch is our "Oh Shit!" heal...and it's not that good of one

(exp: raided as heals during WotLK)

[empty basalt]

Generic healling strat is LB+rejuve tank, Regrowth after tank has taken SOME damage then just maintain HoTs on tank and Regrowth+Rejuv DPS when needed(remember that Regrowth is our LONG HoT...that thing lasts 20 secs so you can be sparing with it...and if that's not enough? yell at your dps to stop standing in shit)

oh...and don't PANIC! it's ok for dps to be sitting at below 100% there aren't many group wipe mechanics in Wrath.

one more thing: OOC procs should be used with either LB(free mana) or if you know a Tank buster is on the way then HT for the tank

[safe frigate]

https://www.twitch.tv/mumples 70 dru fc

[tropic harbor]

Does Tiger's Fury snapshotting not exist on Classic?

[noble forge]

why would you think that?

but its any ap/crit buff

[tropic harbor]

So it does or doesn't exist?

[noble forge]

any ap/crit buff can be snapshotted with feral bleeds

[tropic harbor]

It doesn't say ap it just says damage done, hence the confusion.

[noble forge]

looking at stuff probably doesnt work

cant test rn dont have leveled druid atm

[tropic harbor]

Well I've been comparing damage numbers via details and it doesn't look like there's any snapshot.

3 ticks without tiger's fury did 618 damage. 3 ticks with tiger's fury did 617 damage.

[glossy galleon]

can feral snapshot bleeds in wotlk=

?

[noble forge]

yes

any class can snapshot dots

[tropic harbor]

I just confirmed Tiger's Fury doesn't snapshot.

Tiger's Fury doesn't affect skill damage.

[noble forge]

looking at what people say online

it should

for the inital dmg not the dots

[tropic harbor]

just compared initial damage, no change

looks like it only impacts melees and not ability damage

[tame lily]

are the brutal dragonhide or the leather boots better?

[tropic harbor]

lemme try claws

[tame lily]

for a feral

[noble forge]

gotta lvl my druid 2 more lvls today to see

cause im sceptical

[tropic harbor]

Tiger's Fury affected my claw damage

but not my Rake damage

[noble forge]

you sure?

rake dmg

is what

like 500?

total

and its kinda annoying to see

[tropic harbor]

Well that number would change person per person. I'm getting 89 initial 197 per tick both with and without TF

[noble forge]

ye the ticks wouldnt work anyway

[noble forge]

can confirm btw rake does not benefit

even initial hit

[steel remnant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJho2T2rF4I goated video btw for people who havent played feral before

the breakdowns are crazy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nL44AdipYKM also another good one

[shy lake]

Beard knows his stuff so this is probably good

[steel remnant]

pings on nerd

[jade arrow]

I read somewhere that Healing Touch becomes castable in Tree of Life form in WOTLK, is that true ?

[noble forge]

yes

[cosmic zinc]

Would someone be so kind as to do a Feral build example for me that can also heal dungeons? I’m gonna try feral instead of balance for leveling. I need to do 22 levels before Wotlk drop

[glossy galleon]

so when i have trinked proccs i should refresh all bleeds?

[thin jacinth]

https://i.imgur.com/raQnQ9f.png

high ms world but low home? how?

i did a speedtest and i got 7 ping, in any EU location

[shy lake]

apply with buffs. refresh maintains the original so just don't let bleeds fall off

[ebon lava]

probably desync with your connection MrTeddy

[thin jacinth]

how do i fix that

[ebon lava]

are you on wifi or wired?

[thin jacinth]

wired

[ebon lava]

it might be something with your isp. Check with them and see if they can run tests

[noble forge]

you sure about that? havent heard about that

something like crit some classes can extend infinetly because of other stuff which extends their dots - so corruption for locks and SW:P for shadows (maybe some others too) but in general I dont think thats true

[sage meadow]

Yo I just hit 70 today. Anything I should focus on doing tomorrow before patch his Tuesday, got whole day but not sure what is worth my time

[noble forge]

wouldnt stress about anything

[nimble vigil]

wrath opens tomorrow not tuesday

[sage meadow]

Pretty sure it says 27th 12 am for cest

[nimble vigil]

weird because it say sthis for me

which is 6 pm monday night

I guess for for you that's still tuesday at 12 am, monday for me so gg

[noble forge]

not CEST

[nimble vigil]

see my follow up post that realized that 6 pm for me is 12 am cest, yes.

[sonic hawk]

is there an addon to see your energy while in other forms?

[cold moth]

Yea you DONT want to refresh bleeds until they fall off

Because you lose out on ticks, it doesn’t pandemic.

[shy lake]

ah, pandemic isn't in yet? no wonder wotlk is a shit expansion

[cold moth]

?? Wotlk is great

It’s like peak feral, at least imo. And it’s like an S tier dps

You just, press rake when it’s not up, maintain rip, let it fall off then reapply, so be at max combo points when it’s about to fall. Keep up savage roar buff, shred for combo points, bear weave if you want, if rake falls off and you’re doing cool bear weave things then just let it stay off till you go back cat

[mystic latch]

Will the 50% exp boost go away once wotlk actually drops?

[cosmic zinc]

one sec

[steel remnant]

id assume so yes

We haven’t locked down the specific timeframe for when this buff will activate, but we expect it to last for at least 6-8 weeks; beginning a few weeks before the 3.4.0 Pre-Patch and persisting right up until the day that Wrath of the Lich King Classic launches. This buff should provide a great opportunity for everyone who may have fallen behind the leveling curve, or anyone with alts they want to prep for the next adventure to jump in and get caught up to level 70 ahead of the release of Wrath of the Lich King Classic.

[mystic latch]

tyty

[cosmic zinc]

omg I need 20 levels before wotlk comes out

[empty basalt]

anyone else having an issue with casting Mark of the Wild but the buff tooltip is reading as a lesser buff?

i just noticed after taking Improved Mark of the Wild

the numbers on the buff are lower than what it says the spell should be giving me

[noble forge]

The buff doesn't take improved into account in the bar

[thin jacinth]

https://i.imgur.com/11AdFCP.png how do i get it like that? so it goes down the list

because mine its so cluttered and it takes so much space on my screen

[noble forge]

change the options of your raidframes

change stuff here

however you want to

[thin jacinth]

it doesnt make it better

its just widht and height

[noble forge]

so what are you talking about

[thin jacinth]

https://i.imgur.com/vJa33xQ.jpeg

its literally taking half of my screen

or even more lol

[noble forge]

you want

40 people

under each other?

that seems not quite good

[thin jacinth]

instead of 4 rows, it could be 2-3

[noble forge]

press unlock

and you can see

how much you can change it

[thin jacinth]

ahhh thank you

[noble forge]

its probably about 15%

but ye it is not small

[thin jacinth]

https://i.imgur.com/NZ2Eb2s.jpeg

atleast its better

[steel remnant]

now

to camp the 1 slime in netherstorm for the 15k exp quest

nvm too impatient time to go do 1 random quest and go play hunter

[noble forge]

damn you did a lot of stuff

[steel remnant]

its not optimal i just did 25 quests in netherstorm

prioritizing picking up 12,650 quests but not too pressed

it'll be like 250k exp turn in

[noble forge]

I didnt do any

cba

was annoying in tbc

[steel remnant]

eh it only took like an hour with my gear

now im just gonna quest on my hunter for gold

[noble forge]

used this weekend to honor cap my shaman

[steel remnant]

almost snuck it into a swp

[hidden arrow]

Are you a healer because if you're a healer you don't have enough stuff in your screen yet... it's required for healers to have only a small space around their characters feet visible during raids

[empty basalt]

yeah but would it lower the stated buff? i mean i checked my stats and it seems ok just a bit weird for the buff tool tip to read different than the spell tooltip...and for it to read as less not more

[noble forge]

What do you mean

How would it lower when you literally just said you get more stats then stated

Which is correct the buff tooltip doesn't take the talents into account

[empty basalt]

i mean when i hover over the spell with my mouse it said i get 16 stat and 28 res but when i hover over the Buff icon it says 12 and 20 but my stats window is saying that i get 18 and 28

just wondering if anyone else is having this minor issue with the buff not saying the right amount

[noble forge]

Yes that's how it works in wrath

[steel remnant]

does feral get a kick?

or is bear kick the only one

[noble forge]

bear only

[steel remnant]

Hm dungeon leveling gonna be weird since no kick

I assume you can’t maim elites either right

[noble forge]

doesnt maim kick?

bash does

pretty sure

thought you talk where thats relevant

so pvp

in pve it doesnt matter

[nimble vigil]

kicking is a lot less important in dungeons in wrath compared to live, it hadn't been normalized to every melee having one yet

[steel remnant]

hm ok

[noble forge]

in wrath I actually think every melee has a kick

in pve

[nimble vigil]

Paladin's have rebuke?

[noble forge]

nope

but HoJ

kicks

[steel remnant]

as long as i have an interupt or a cc ill be fine

[steel remnant]

but im dungeon leveling to 80

[nimble vigil]

I would consider a kick a 15 second or less interrupt, not a hard cc that has a one minute cd but difference of opinion then.

[steel remnant]

Oh maim

literally has a kick tooltip

[noble forge]

it literally is a kick

[steel remnant]

i actually never knew this

huge

[noble forge]

bash too

[steel remnant]

i got in as feral dps

so outside of first level

i wont be in bear

[noble forge]

yea thats not how you play feral

in dungeons

[steel remnant]

huh

[noble forge]

you have to be able to go bear

[steel remnant]

i dont wanna bear weave

[noble forge]

doesnt matter

[steel remnant]

zzz

wait so why do i need to go bear?

during downtime?

[noble forge]

to tank if needed

if tank dies or sth

[steel remnant]

oh yeah ok thats fine i thought u meant like i just need to be bear randomly

if the tank dies i get that part

[noble forge]

or if you absolutely need to kick something on ranged

stuff like that

[gritty blaze]

Is there druid trainer for ally on darkshore?

[hidden arrow]

Feral charge interrupt so underutilized

[obsidian sinew]

have fun levelling everyone

[plucky epoch]

do we have a dungeon spamming guide? which to run till what level?

[nimble vigil]

I got 94k from a full keep run, felt pretty bad honestly

[empty basalt]

Dungeons are real bad unless you can get into a group that can blast them out in like 10 mins or less

[rocky osprey]

Any good macros I should have for druid in classic??

[tribal vine]

Rip clamweaving

[cold moth]

Druid is da besteest class. period.

[empty basalt]

it's got kitties of course it's the best

[hidden arrow]

Hunters get more kitties

[fierce mesa]

does balance want intelect, spirit, and spell power?

[noble forge]

whats the context here

leveling?

[fierce mesa]

oh yea sorry yea lvling

[noble forge]

in wrath content?

in that case id say yes + crit

wouldnt try to get that much haste

[fierce mesa]

about lvl 50

[noble forge]

ah

id ignore SP

for the most part

and mostly go int

[fierce mesa]

ok cool thank you 😄

[fierce mesa]

is Balance pretty decent to lvl with or should i just stay feral? in the lvl 50 range

[noble forge]

id stay feral if you care about speed at all

especially with the insane boost you get from 50

[steel remnant]

help

[noble forge]

go for a nice hike

[steel remnant]

i woke up earlier put myself in queue and went back to bed

LOL

i got like 2 hrs left

[empty basalt]

that que will go away in a day or two

[steel remnant]

cap

[shy lake]

It probably wont die until next week

Will be high all week due to people taking time off and obviously the weekend will have even more demand

This is why second week is always the best time to take off time if you’re going to

[cold moth]

can anyone tell me can hurricane proc omen of clarity in wolk

[vivid lantern]

Well depends of servers

[neat compass]

Is it possible to create a macro that casts prowl out of combat and out of cat form?

[empty basalt]

it procs it and it procs it often...more than half the time i can get 3-4 free hurricanes with chain Omens..

it procs on hit or tick not on cast

[empty basalt]

yes

[nimble vigil]

#showtooltip Prowl
/cast [noform:3] Cat Form
/cast !Prowl

[neat compass]

❤️

[nimble vigil]

It was annoying me so much it didn't work on live where it just automatically does that

[empty basalt]

Retail has some nice QoL things that i do wish had made it into classic...like auto-canceling shapeshifts when talking to Flight Points

[nimble vigil]

the retail auction house ui, the retail group finder. there's a lot of qol things I wish they put into it tbh

[hidden arrow]

Group finder was kinda the reason why things went to snot

[empty basalt]

agreed

well that and the dumbing down of the Talent trees

[hidden arrow]

I didn't always think that but the fact that we get out of the cities at all after hitting max level on classic speaks for itself

[shy lake]

As if people didn’t just google the best talent tree because there was little to no actual customization in the old trees

[nimble vigil]

I mean the UI for the group finder that we use for Mythic +, not the random dungeon finder.

The group finder UI they put in place of RFD is a pretty trash UI I'd expect from 2008, not 2022

Like, I disagree about RFD too, but that wasn't what I was talking about in that particular case

[noble forge]

the groupfinder they have right now could still be improved

but its not horrible

its quite close to actual m+ groupfinder

[hidden arrow]

Yeah I just wish whatever intern they had script it understood logic, and adding a line to check if you could perform the role you're queued for

Like I get it, warlocks are desperate, but queueing as a healer is just gonna make me ignore you

Even if I need a DPS too

[noble forge]

🤷‍♂️ like I dont think thats a relevant thing

[nimble vigil]

It's not horrible, but it leaves a lot of room for improvement that just using the current retail group finder could of fixed for the most part.

[noble forge]

dunno id never invite someone who presses request to invite

and if they whisper me I can check class

without issue

[nimble vigil]

The lack of the UI showing group role can be annoying too. We had a healer shuffle out of a group the other day that I joined, I didn't realize it was the healer because I was invited after the fact. I assumed the shaman in the group was healing. Found out after the second pull nope, it was me and four dps because the lead got confused

And sure, I can check next time and be more on my game but...that's why it's a quality of life UI thing

[noble forge]

think thats just players which need to get used to selecting their role in talents

and less an actual systems issue

in retail you are more used to changing role by right clicking your unit frame

[nimble vigil]

I don't understand what you mean by that first line.

The shaman signed up as dps to dps. The leader got confused. The actual healer left when realizing that the group was for keep and they wanted nexus

[noble forge]

thats not a system can fix

[noble forge]

what part is confusing about that? you select the role in your talents

[nimble vigil]

....yes, it is. By having the UI display roles. I could of seen we had four dps without inspecting

[noble forge]

which is how you show up in the lfg tool too

[nimble vigil]

It does not show that on the group frames like on retail.

[noble forge]

oh sure, but thats impossible

[nimble vigil]

When you invite them it does! I was not inviting. It did not show that to me

[noble forge]

for example dk

[nimble vigil]

It's not impossible, but sure.

[noble forge]

also below max lvl you also have most healers not being the "heal" spec

[noble forge]

how would you sort dks as tanks?

[nimble vigil]

Just show the spec they were invited as. If they are listed as tank/dps like a DK, you give a prompt to the person inviting for which role to invite them as and that is what it lists them as on the group UI so you can see who is what.

Solved. For people who aren't healing spec below max level and for dk's

It would also let that person know which role they were invited for without you having to directly tell them, to prevent any of that confusion.

[noble forge]

sure yea

thats fair

[nimble vigil]

The current system is managable, it's just basic quality of life stuff like that which would be nice. I'm hoping they continue to tweak it to add in some QOL stuff in future patches, but we'll see

If not, it is what it is no big deal

[noble forge]

Id argue thats not lfg system tho

but I think it would still be a good change

for the raidframes

[nimble vigil]

It would be useful for that as well

[wintry mauve]

hey bois, is it worth it to be resto leveling with hybrid boomie talents?

for questing and so

[wintry mauve]

i though about this for my lvl 72 resto, to output more dmg in aoe

[noble forge]

no

[sacred roost]

so, i'm balance. what do you guys put on your no form bar

[noble forge]

heals

[winged zephyr]

anyone have vuhdo bouquets profile for hots?

[steel remnant]

met a sick chinese dude while questing

that was his final message to me

[tacit sedge]

{Happy}

[steel remnant]

{Happy}

[shy lake]

{Happy}

[noble forge]

{Happy}

[near oasis]

{HappyBAER}

[steel remnant]

@noble forge have u heard of the youtuber Griftin?

[finite epoch]

hey does anyone know if the increased healing from tree of life aura stacks with the healing increase from paladins improved devotion aura?

[empty basalt]

balance spells, Out of Combat stuff

[noble forge]

No

[steel remnant]

hmm

[fringe quiver]

anyone got an eclipse tracker for wotlk

[glossy galleon]

i tried feral tank in dungeons but i cant hold aggro. if i lose aggro enemys dont attack me and i cant regenerate rage, will i regenerate faster with lvl 80 ?

im lvl 65 atm

[noble forge]

no

[steel remnant]

make sure u have Challenging roar glyph and Maul

maul is ur main source of threat

[glossy galleon]

is feral tank even worth to play?

[empty basalt]

OOC will also help with your anger management

[empty basalt]

yes...ferals make great tanks at max level

[noble forge]

what do you mean when saying worth

is it best possible? id say probably not, especially in 5 man content is it absolutely fine ? yes for sure

[steel remnant]

hes 100% not mauling

[shy lake]

hes 100% malding

[crimson vault]

How many targets do we use cat swipe on?

[steel remnant]

prob 2+

[sacred roost]

balance druid flap a thing yet?

[noble forge]

no

[sacred roost]

sadge face

[noble forge]

luckily neither is glyph of stars

[frigid robin]

unreasonable hate

[tacit sedge]

No it's reasonable

[tidal pilot]

What is the meta for feral druid on wotlk

bearweaving

?

[noble forge]

bearweaving should be a dps upgrade yes

no clue what the meta has anything to do with that

[meager radish]

for resto, should I be stacking as much haste as possible? Even at a loss of spirit or int? I get a bit confused when I get new gear pieces that have haste, but the piece of gear I would be losing has more spirit or int

[noble forge]

No

Like at some point sure haste is gonna be great but imagine you still level or gear in dungeons

Max lvl stuff can't be just copied to leveling

Like im currently leveling ele shaman and I prio crit over haste for my gear atm even tho crit kindof sucks, but mana is a very relevant thing for my leveling for which crit helps quite a bit, max level would be another story tho with better mana regen and stuff

[empty basalt]

i would just take what ever has better int after that? it's a toss up.

Stats really don't matter THAT much during leveling

[edgy lake]

do i need to do the flying questline in tbc - i skipped tbc.

[noble forge]

no

can learn fast flying form at 71

if you have max riding

[edgy lake]

aha, thanks

and for summoning the anzu boss for the mount

do i need to do the quest or?

[noble forge]

think so

[haughty hatch]

yo anyone know of any druid solo farms for quick levelling currently 74 atm

[steel lion]

What addons to use if I want to see hot-timers on player bars? Not in GRID o Vudho UI bit on the players. back in the day i used Dot Timer. But cant find it anymorre

[main sluice]

can anyone point me to a place for balance druid talents in wrath. wowhead and icyveins have conflicting ideas

[hybrid lintel]

i made https://www.warcrafttavern.com/wotlk/tools/talent-calculator/druid?t=A111112222255999aeeedddddhiiimmlllpqqquuuuuywwwEEEkkkIC0011155666aaArrrggg what is the differences with the other builds?

3 in furor instead of nature's focus, that's a mistake

or u can take 2 points out of dreamstate and put them in furor so you get 5/5 furor

we'll see what mana looks like, the choice is between dreamstate and moonglow vs more dps talents

everything else looks necessary

nvm I like this best https://www.warcrafttavern.com/wotlk/tools/talent-calculator/druid?t=C00C222666aaC22C9A1111155444bba999dddddhiiikmlmlkklpqqqrrruuuuuyEEEwwwIgggzz

[brazen urchin]

$pb 213739556023828480

[ancient eagle]

Done.

[steel remnant]

@brazen urchin was that the self promo post?

also i did it

[brazen urchin]

Someone that kept spamming their twitch yeah and then decided to be super toxy to top it off

And Grats!!!

[steel remnant]

lol

[steel remnant]

@noble forge i dont think you do

i did the quest and i have this

[noble forge]

fair

[steel remnant]

I wonder if i can solo it at 80

[noble forge]

very sure yes

at least once you got some gear

[indigo fog]

anyone have a feral build for WOTLK?

[tropic harbor]

Blizzard really expected ppl to read all this back in the day 💀

I ain't readin' shit

[forest crest]

hey guys, any1 has any information about 'the egg of mortal esssence' trinket for balance druid? eightyupgrade told me to get it coz its good, but the equip effect only triggers on heal so im gigaconfused now if its good for balance or not. Wowhead and icyveins guide didnt even mention the trinket.

[noble forge]

isnt eightyupgrade only a tool to show/build stuff and not how good things are?

but yes it only proccs on heals

[forest crest]

it does show upgrades, and stats weights aswell, im just not sure how reliable is it

i was just thinkin if the flat 98 spell power makes it viable

[noble forge]

id completly ignore them

those are some weird as fuck preset stat weights

[forest crest]

alright, thank you

[broken cedar]

heyho bois.

i got a question. i remember back in the day i had an addon that showed energy and or rage even when im in human form. but i cant find anything right now for wotlk classic. can someone help me with that ?

[steel remnant]

it shows effective attack power as feral which is kinda how good it is

but Nerdegg also puts a ton of thought and time into the feral stuff idk about balance tho

[noble forge]

yes and thats not something you can figure out in a vacuum at all

[steel remnant]

wait im lost wdym

[noble forge]

what do you mean?

you cant just say 1 agi is 2 AP or what ever, thats not how the game works

[steel remnant]

i feel like thats what retail is tho when did that change?

[noble forge]

no?

when was the last time you used stat weights

especially general stat weights

[steel remnant]

ig thats fair

[fleet musk]

Hey yall I was wondering if it were at all possible to create a dps feral cat build that is also slanted so that it can efficiently off tank without the use of dual role. Something like this https://www.icy-veins.com/wotlk-classic/druid-talent-calculator#tc-sssssWWvvxxzzzDDCCBBBAAFJJJIIIIIKRQQQTTTTTUuuuyNNYYYZZZZZ~...[[VHHNHOOO|0q1u3i4m5t2K Is it possible not to lose out on damage in cat but being able to sacrifice enough utility or points for the sake of being able to OT? Or is i this simple me reaching for straws?

[steel remnant]

i mean ur going to have a hard time tanking as an offspec without maul glyphs and such

that maul glyph is such a crazy amount of threat its crazy

[fleet musk]

isnt maul just an extra target?

[steel remnant]

maul generates the most threat in the bear kit

[fleet musk]

i think the more i type the more im answering my own questions just based on the need and relation

side question - with dual spec is it fine to just use all cat gear with agility gemmed in instead of strength in order to perform both roles ? tank / feral

[steel remnant]

we want to gem str

with bearweaving as feral

agi for pvp but str is beating agi in pve

[fleet musk]

for tanking also?

[steel remnant]

yes

[fleet musk]

okay ty

theres so much mixed information around - do you recommend any guides for gearing and talents etc

[steel remnant]

i do whatever rugs tells me to do

[fleet musk]

rugs?

in the disc?

[noble forge]

always depends what your goal is with off tanking

but the biggest deal will be gear anyway

cause what you talked about with agi gemming - you are not going to be able to use the same gear for tanking and dps for the most part

[fleet musk]

okay

[worthy karma]

hey guys! does anyone have a pre raid bis for WOTLK for feral tank? i didnt play tbc so i dont have raid gear! Thanks a bunch 🙂

[shy lake]

wowhead is trustworthy

[worthy karma]

awesome thank you! 😄

[tropic harbor]

tfw clip

[dapper geyser]

Does anyone have a form macro?
Ive found some nice ones, but they dont work in zones where it doesnt let you get into flight form

[shy lake]

#showtooltip
/use [swimming]Aquatic Form;[flyable,nocombat]Flight Form;[outdoors]Travel Form

@dapper geyser

[dapper geyser]

same issue :[
if im in dal it doesnt put you in travel form. is that just unavoidable?

[shy lake]

Dalaran might be special

Isn’t Dalaran flyable though?

[stuck jewel]

only on the flight platform

@dapper geyser make sure you change flight form to "swift flight form" if you have it. But I am also running into an issue in Dal

[shy lake]

Yeah, so not it’s probably a special case macro can’t handle

[celest jewel]

anyone know if darkmoon deck:death or meteorite whetstone is better for feral dps?

other trinket is mirror of truth

[last dust]

same question about balance 😄 which darkmoon is good for balance druidS?

[noble forge]

nothing really

[cold moth]

ElvUI WotLK Balance Druid with WA's

[vast glen]

Been looking at prebis for feral druid, and this is the guy to follow apparently : https://eightyupgrades.com/set/3tfGnKtsjEGuFS6Jw6MLSa

but when i read on icyveins, it tells me its agility is bis for gems etc, anyone know what is the best? and why

[tropic harbor]

Staff of Trickery over Titansteel Destroyer

weirdge

I mean it looks mostly great, budget Feral build that doesn't require you to spend gold. I'd swap Staff for Titansteel, shoulders for leatherworking shoulders, and blue ring for Band of the Kirin Tor if you can afford it. But other than that it looks good.

Feral gets a lot of scaling from strength this patch tho, so don't go agi reds. Go strength reds.

[noble forge]

bear weaving makes strength better

[vast glen]

allrgiht isee, i allready fkd up with agility gems, so the question is now, is that big of a diff? or should i just stay with it xD

[noble forge]

Doubt its massive and won't swap the 200g gems around for it

But gem it in new stuff

[shy lake]

Icy veins is not a reputable site. Use Wowhead and anything by Nerdegghead or Beardigo

Also avoid Ruggs. He is 100% feelscraft

[noble forge]

I love that like almost ever ele bis list I've seen is just wrong

It's amazing

Actually I think I haven't seen any recommend the PvP cloak

[little star]

any know if there a place where i can see what is breakpoint of stats u want for phase 1 as balance druid ?

[oblique veldt]

https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/guides/balance-druid-dps-stat-priority List Haste softcap at 585(401 w/ Wrath totem) and Crit is 45%

[ashen mortar]

Hello there
Which Profession is most useful for resto drood in classic?
Engineer/Juwel?

[empty basalt]

Tailoring for the enhancements? Skinning(extra Crit)?

[noble forge]

Not skinning for sure

Engi JC is just the save bet

[cold moth]

Question regarding trinkets, which would be to use red dragons blood or incisor fragment?

[lone oak]

Whats the best guide for Boomie raiding? Wowhead and IcyVeins are contradicting and neither seems accurate. Looking primarily for bis pre raid lists.

[frozen oyster]

same with feral

[crimson vault]

Im feral dps and was wondering if the daily jc vendor gear is worth saving up for? Not sure if I should save for it or just start buying all the gem recipes

[noble forge]

thats gold making no one knows your server

[noble forge]

from what ive seen wowhead seemed way better, but which part were you curious about

[crimson vault]

Yeah but is the gear from the vendor worth getting or not lol

[noble forge]

there is no gear from the vendor

there are recipes

[crimson vault]

I saw rings for sale in it

[noble forge]

no

they are recipes

[cerulean flower]

so i have found litterally nothing online about keeping any brutal pvp gear into nax, should i just be going for the reputation pieces and heroic gear? or is some of it still good?

ive put on a few pieces and my hit rating has taken a DROP

for feral dps btw

[cerulean flower]

kekw watched one of his videos and he mentioned how this community doubts him or some shit lmfao

[obsidian sinew]

rugs black temple arpen bis list

[crimson vault]

How far can you get with going bear in feral dps gear and talents

[edgy lake]

is it better to caste hurricane in meele or range?

[sage meadow]

any pvp bis lists btw? (feral)

[noble forge]

does anyone actually know when arena season starts?

[shy lake]

You can tank heroics and probably 10 man easy enough. Probably fine in 25 too but little point since many fights are tailored to two tanks. Respec is super cheap with WotLK inflation

[patent hedge]

the healer might not like you since bear can be spikey as it is if there is going to be a big diff in your hp pool. if not probs be fine as long as you know what not to pull together

[noble forge]

id say absolutely 0 chance you can tank naxx without tank gear

at this point

[shy lake]

Tank gear is pretty easy to get. Polar set is BiS. Just buy it

[noble forge]

which is getting different gear

[crimson vault]

Ah cool I was hoping normal dungeons were gonna be ok to do. Speed up trying to find groups to get pre raid gear. Might look into bear gear as I feel worthless playing cat in dungeons

[shy lake]

Yeah I’d definitely get some bear gear. It’s fairly easy. I glossed over the part about tanking in cat gear earlier and just saw talents

[noble forge]

yea talents as you said before will be fine

[dry cedar]

(Balance Druid) Hey Guys, does anyone has the maths on when to pick which manareg talent?
I can't decide between Moonglow, Dream State and Intensity....

[shy lake]

Q: Which mana regen talent (between Intensity and Dreamstate) should I use?
A: There is a formula you can use to figure out which talent will give you the most mana regen as it will change as your gear does.
That forumla is: 12 * sqrt(int) > spi.
Just plug in your current intellect (while in moonkin form) for "int," and if your spirit is lower than the output, Dreamstate is better. If your spirit is higher than the output, Intensity is better.

[exotic mist]

yo so using travel form as feral in wrath is like stupid right, its like super high mana cost and its the same speed as cat

[shy lake]

Did they up the mana cost? It was a fraction of the cost and has 10% more move speed in previous

[noble forge]

yea very sure thats wrong on both cases

[shy lake]

Cat is 30% movespeed with talents and 35% base mana
Travel is 40% movespeed and 13% base mana

[crimson vault]

I hardly ever see a reason for it. When mounts and flight form exist

[noble forge]

yea meant 🐸

[noble forge]

useful in pvp for example

or early leveling

[shy lake]

Yeah, pvp it gets tons of use for cheaply removing roots and slows

[sage meadow]

Sooo, no pvp gear list for feral?

[soft narwhal]

hi there all, i was kinda wondering.

Is Mongoose still better for feral Druids in WOTLK?

or go with Attack Power?

[vocal minnow]

I have a question for feral mains out there; does Imp FF still proc OOC for you this exp, even if it is not the one you casted? (boomkin applies it instead for instance)

[noble forge]

berserking

[gilded cargo]

Feral Druid Question: Is it ever worth it to use predatory swiftness procs to fish for clearcasting procs as a feral cat whilst on low energy or is it better to just bearweave?

[twin lotus]

Whats the deal with gemming strenght on feral? Is it because crit can't go much more up than 42% during naxx and because strenght is overall better with bearweaving? Or is there something else i'm missing?

[ashen mortar]

this one is for the resto guys
What is soft cap for haste in wotlk classic?

[noble forge]

No idea what why 42% would be relevant maybe I'm missing something

But as far as I know it's the bear

[tropic harbor]

Why is Alliance so bad at Warsong Gulch?

[lucid sparrow]

i know there is travel form in WOTLK, but can you get mount form? Is there a npc that sells the tome for it?

[tacit sedge]

Mount form came in legion iirc

[sage meadow]

When do you go to Icecrown for levelling? Hit 78 and did a bit of storm peaks already but not sure if/when to swap to icecrown

[empty basalt]

save Icecrown for level 80...SP can carry you all the way to 80 then you have a whole zone of quests to do for the gold

[noble forge]

depends what you intend to do, personally I unlocked sons of hodir and ebon blade pre 80

besides that doesnt matter

there might be some slightly more efficient quests and prolly optimized speed leveling stuff

but I wouldnt worry

[lethal drum]

Fk bearweave Died on every Boss fight due to aggro.. Tried to bearweave at 50% in Fight still aggroed

[halcyon kettle]

Dont follow the wowhead guide on strength gem its just incorrect. The guy/guys that wrote that guide have literally never played feral in raids. I laugh at that stupid guide. They follow patchwerk sims as pointer to what to gem and go for. Go agi gems do urself a favor for later phases. Strength is bis for maybe 1 week. Legit scam guide

Wowhead guides is 100% working with gold sellers, im literally never gonna trust those guides ever again when i saw that shit

[shy lake]

I eagerly await to hear about your qualifications

[halcyon kettle]

Only played like 1000 days played on my feral and play alot in wotlk we tested that shit and its not worth at all

The clowns are looking at sims in a patchwerk fight, you’ll never have time to do bearweaving effieny to lose crit and extra combo points chances

They are 100% clueless and looking at numbers only

Paper and reality are different.( its not just black n white)

[shy lake]

Bear weaving is not a difficult thing

[halcyon kettle]

Its not worth it at all.

Bearweaving, fuck people are cringe

😅

[shy lake]

6950 dps no weave
7300 dps mangle weave
7500 dps lacerate weave

sure looks worth it

[halcyon kettle]

Where are u getting those numbers from?

[shy lake]

the sim

you know

math

[lucid anchor]

no but it feels worse

[halcyon kettle]

I doubt that shit hold up long

We’ll see

[noble forge]

post your data

im very open to believe that the wowhead guide is wrong especially in the gems

however claiming bear weaving isnt worth it is just very very odd so if you claim that have data to back that up cause intuitivly it makes a lot of sense

[halcyon kettle]

Raw data on a patchwork fight is not something you rely on. Which wowhead has fully zugzug mode have done.

Numbers are not 100% accurate. Its like doing a theory class, and doing things in reality. The theory is not 100% right when doing something in the real world.

People play like robots nowadays it seems

[noble forge]

yes post your data

like I believe your assertion that bearweaving gets worse with movement/downtime

(even tho most naxx bosses have near 0 downtime but thats another thing)

[halcyon kettle]

I’ll post data in a week or two when i beat the sheeps on wowhead guides when scaling comes in to play.

[noble forge]

yes thats not data

or well it is but not useful

you personally would have to perform both things, very well to have any reason to believe it

[halcyon kettle]

Yeh just hold on to those numbers like the holy bible. I disagree 100% on strength shit.

[noble forge]

?

you gave absolutely 0 reason to change the believe

I am absolutely willing to change my stance on this ive seen very bad classic theorycrafting

[halcyon kettle]

If you scroll up to what i wrote last night about it you would know

[noble forge]

so I would not be surprised at all if that strength is strong

I have

you gave feeling

which is not useful

you gave some stuff from OG wrath which is bad for multiple reasons

[halcyon kettle]

Its not worth giving up strength for more ap in bear losing crit/extra combo points chance for that beatweaving bs dude.

[noble forge]

sure

now you need to tell people why

that is

as in show them another method to do more dps

[halcyon kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-technology-animation-robotics-mind-gif-17514584

I’ll just agree to disagree since ur missing my point anyway and cannot phamtom something without having raw numbers in ur face

Peace out ✌️

[noble forge]

yes to believe things I want evidence

[halcyon kettle]

🤡

[lucid anchor]

unironically cant tell if he's trolling or not

[noble forge]

no idea

[halcyon kettle]

Im not

[sage meadow]

Yea bro like the earth is actually flat, I know this from my experience so just trust me. Why need clear data or evidence of my statement when I’m clearly correct smh my head

[acoustic mortar]

source: just trust me br0

[restive notch]

Sorry if my search function has failed me, but is there a viable balance healing spec for 5 man?

Seems like a fun way to play if it could work

[shy lake]

5mans are easy. you can heal as feral and balance with appropriate gear

[restive notch]

Right, but expanding on that I was wondering if leaning into that and bare minimum healing while adding a hybrid dps spec might be really nice

[crimson vault]

Is there a recommended rep to get exalted with first for feral dps?

[lethal drum]

Any Sims outthere for Mono-Cat, bearweave, shitweave whatsoever?

[latent solstice]

quick question as i am total noob, should i follow icy veins or wowhead guide for wotlk druid? Or both are equally good for totally new player

[shy lake]

https://wowsims.github.io/wotlk/feral_druid/

[shy lake]

wowhead for sure. i dont know if icy veins is good or bad this time around, but the wowhead guide is written by a credible source and peer reviewed by the classic discord community

[lethal drum]

Thank you

[latent solstice]

thanks

[crimson vault]

So is this the norm for dungeons when playing feral dps? Idk if im doing something wrong or this spec is just trash for dungeons

I get shit on for damage done everytime

[fleet tide]

why are there 2 spells that do the same thing but 1 is just better than the other

[noble forge]

cause its classic, and also while in most cases your statement is correct its not always correct

[fleet tide]

i guess u can spellsteal the buff

[noble forge]

one of those spells puts a buff on the target which removes a debuff every 3 seconds, the other doesnt but by recasting the buff you refresh the tick, so assume it would tick in 1 second and you refresh it - that means it would need 3 more seconds to tick

[fleet tide]

pretty cool ok

[summer hound]

For feral how big of a difference is potion of speed vs a potion of strength? I know we get OoC procs but otherwise isn’t haste pretty trash?

[maiden eagle]

Is this the best place to discuss WOLTK feral?

[frigid robin]

In this server, yes. There is however a dedicated server for classic content in the pins

[shy lake]

you can sim it: https://wowsims.github.io/wotlk/feral_druid/
its like 30-50 dps loss. crit rating potion is much closer

[tidal hedge]

this guide here is recommending a neck with shield block value and parry as a 'bis alternative'? :https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/guides/feral-druid-tank-best-in-slot-gear-phase-1

that can't be right, right?

[noble forge]

why not?

that thing is apparently bis for dps dks too

[sonic hawk]

Do i need hit cap? i seem to do more dmg when i wear gear that has better stats and lower hit... just not sure what the point is if i do less dmg at hit cap

[noble forge]

to hit things

[tacit sedge]

[shy lake]

94 stam is a lot of stam, however it competes with feral dps bis neck since it is a quest reward

[shy lake]

always sim. better to wear good items. you'll still have a high chance to do 0 damage due to parry and dodge

[noble forge]

yea wouldnt really recommend that one esp with how good it is for others

[cerulean flower]

i bear weave, my dps is way higher, you give up like 3 auto attacks in cat for a mangle and maul during your energy starvation, its totaly worth it you are just lazy and think its cringe, wich makes you cringe

[cerulean flower]

so far your only point has been wow head is working with gold sellers and bear weaving is cringe

[latent solstice]

as a noob that will level druid for first time, should i level as feral or balance? Because from what i understand balance is worse because of mana problem but its better because you can do dungeons with it?

[tropic ledge]

Hey guys, moonkin dps, what are the bis major glyphs? I was looking at many guides, none of them aligned with each other so i am confused what to use...

[lethal drum]

Cat always

[shy lake]

you can dungeon fine as a cat. Cat spec also works well to tank as so even easier dungeon groups

[sage meadow]

Isn't it better to maul/lacerate when bearweaving? Saw vid from someone apologizing he had it wrong and said it was better to maul/lacerate but can't remember the name

[empty basalt]

in wrath Both balance and Feral are viable...Feral DPS is a little bit lower but we don't have to sit and drink every other pull so leveling time evens out.

[cerulean flower]

it is better idk why i mangle i just prefer seeing the double fat crits

[vapid forge]

just hit 80 but feels that way

[gray lava]

Is feral instinct really not that useful for pvp?

[shy lake]

Lacerate weaving is better as long as the fight lasts 90s and you don’t drop lacerate.

[proper mural]

Hey guys I have a question for the restoration druid... for some reason, a few party member doesnt get wildgrowth.. (2 premates), even on direct casting... reloaded etc.. - Does anyone experienced same problems or might have a solution for this ... I guess, bug?!

[real crown]

How detrimental is it if lacerate falls off? I can maintain 4k dps with just cat damage but I'm no means a perfect player

[noble forge]

Im very sure there is user error involved hete

And not some very very obscure bug

[proper mural]

What kind of user error could I've done? In 95 % of casts, it doesnt work. They are in range, direct cast on the target, they are not on full life.. tried all kind of different stuff, so I simply dont know what else I could do.

[noble forge]

maybe some wrong macro, maybe not actually targeted maybe one of your buff addons doesnt work

[proper mural]

I have no macro binded on wildgrowth, its the spell out of the spellbook 😦

[noble forge]

can youn post a video

of it happening

[proper mural]

Not right now, but I will do 2 more HC dungeons and will prepare a video to post

[proper mural]

https://clips.twitch.tv/AbstruseDepressedPistachioFUNgineer-qwmfHsmjXK81x4of

Hope its enough, tried it out of instance

[shy lake]

No idea. It’s supposedly a 7% increase to sustain lacerate weaving properly after 90s. I’m sure having to rebuild that means it’s no longer worth if the fight will end in under that.

Going to be up to the individual and their own skills if it’s worth practicing now on simple bosses or focusing on fundamentals

[noble forge]

are you on a pve server?

[shy lake]

Is wild growth supposed to be smart? Does it hit max targets? Is jt picking targets with full hp over those specific targets that are missing hp?

[noble forge]

or guess they are called normal here too

[proper mural]

Yes, pve server

[noble forge]

yep the targets which dont get WG there have pvp active

you and the warrior dont

[proper mural]

but... one more video

I tried it a few times after reload/restart the game - the hunter and DK got still the symbol and it worked

https://clips.twitch.tv/BillowingDepressedClintmullinsFunRun-6Fvq4b__E0qLOlnm

[proper mural]

Alright, after abandon several quests (not even pvp quests) and enable/disable pvp and relog, the two mates were able to turn off their pvp flag. Thanks a lot for your help

[shy lake]

You should just have to turn it off and avoid pvp for 15 minutes

[dusky pasture]

what does class run mean

[native matrix]

VoA drops specific tier pieces instead of tokens, so you take only one of each spec so if your piece drops you're guaranteed it.

[dusky pasture]

ty

[silk estuary]

noob question but if I raid with an arms warrior (as a cat) do I omit mangle from my rotation?

[noble forge]

yes

[dusky pasture]

what gear score ppl take to 10mans and shit

[vivid notch]

So how is beartank in wotlk? Decent aoe treath?

[shy lake]

It's the lowest aoe threat from what I recall but its serviceable. Overall they're in a pretty solid place although this phase's gear options can be a bit of a mixed bag.

meta is expected to be Pala + DK with Pala mostly due to their busted cheat death talent. how helpful that is in later phases is mostly guesswork at this point

but you can run fairly competitively with any pair of tanks

[karmic skiff]

guys i has question!! ah does that glyph for intervate give us the bonus mana if we use intervate on ourselves? so it just gives even more mana

[noble forge]

yes

[karmic skiff]

oh hot dam

[tidal onyx]

Is it me or is https://wowsims.github.io/wotlk/feral_druid/ based on RAWR

It feels very familiar

However I remember in RAWR I could select many pieces of gear and let it sim the combinations. Its possible with wowsims yet or am i missing something?

[silk estuary]

Your dps have to play around you (it feels like to me)

Demo lock will rip threat through soul shatter from me if he blows his load even halfway through the pull

I usually tell people to pretend like we’re still in TBC because a brother is TRYING 😭

Been considering gemming some agility for it but still feel like I get smacked around something fierce

[shy lake]

Agi isn’t going to do all that much for you. Better to gem stam. Threat should not be a long term problem in single target if you’re pushing your buttons properly

[vivid notch]

Well its not ST thats the issue tho

[silk estuary]

ya ST is fine but firemages and demolocks make dungeons hard lol

[obsidian pebble]

How much of a DPS increase is flowerweaving?

[shy lake]

Something like 5-7%

Assuming 25 man

[jade arrow]

I have a question for resto druid: how good is it to tryhard on the 735 haste cap ? I would want to know before deciding which back piece to craft, cause it's not only stuff but also talents that change around it. I'm afraid that, depending on the first loots I get in Phase 1, I'll go under the 725 haste cap and so the Deathchill cloak and talents wouldnt be efficient

[cerulean idol]

When was the last time you feral'd lmfaoo

[tidal onyx]

Any idea what's NerdEgghead's discord name? (the guide writer)

[obsidian sinew]

NerdEgghead#6940

[tidal onyx]

Thanks

[shy lake]

wouldn't recommend dm'ing him guide questions though. just ask your question in the classic discord

[warped portal]

@jade arrowWouldnt worry so much about in P1 imo, im running just below it atm.. And still misses 3 bis pieces 🙂

[cerulean flower]

so im bassically seeing everyone with ido of the ravenous beast, is it better than worship untill we are able to maintain bleeds better or do they just not have it yet

[shy lake]

probably just don't have it yet

[cerulean flower]

ok i knew its ranking on the bis list just didnt know if there was things req prior to it being bis, i got it first week thankfully

[willow jungle]

can you still do 280% fly form quest chain from tbc in wrath classic?

[restive notch]

I did it in prepatch at 70

Not sure if it turned off at launch

[shy lake]

It’s available

Need lvl70 and epic flying trained

[placid ridge]

Has anyone else noticed that Improved Gift of The Wild/Mark of the Wild is bugged in WOTLK? I have rank 3 in my spellbook which is supposed to give increased armor by 476, all attributes by 19 and all resistances by 35. But when I select it my buff timer say 340, 14, and 25.
And my boomie has Improved in the Resto branch full.

[tacit sedge]

@placid ridge are you receiving the correct stats? Iirc that was a bug back in the day with MotW, never displayed correctly if talented but gave the correct stats

[shy lake]

Its just a display bug. Buff tooltips on the character don’t reflect improved

[placid ridge]

ty guys! @shy lake @tacit sedge . I remember this was happening last expansion (or classic vanilla? can't recall exactly) as well. You would think they fixed that but....

[polar stratus]

is this item good for balance ?

https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=39388/spirit-world-glass

iam using illusion card

[noble forge]

this is absolute dogshit

darkmoon card illusion is also pretty bad

but less bad

[jaunty temple]

wild magic vs speed potion for parse lords? I see people prepot wild magic and speed later in the fight - but why not just x2 wild magic? Thx for any help ❤️

[shy lake]

#classic message

[tidal onyx]

Nah not a Feral question

[frozen oyster]

black ice or staff of plaguehound on feral ?

both seem insane good

[shy lake]

just based on default weights, black ice by a lot

but ultimately you want journey's end so if you have to pass on one of the others to secure priority within the guild then by all means

[cerulean flower]

yo so why do i replace hemmoraging circle insteads of ring of invincibility for surge needle ring?

[shy lake]

presumably because its better to do that based on simulated weights making one item stronger than the other

why would you think its better otherwise to use a different ring?

[cerulean flower]

so i have 48% crit rn, i gain 13 ap and crit and 32 hit if i equip over invinc, i gain 6 ap and 35 crit with replacing hemor, so the real question is 38 haste or 33 expertise better?

[shy lake]

That’s an easy question. You sim it

https://wowsims.github.io/wotlk/feral_druid/

[nimble ocean]

is the BoA staff good for cat leveling?

or 2h mmace?

[red saffron]

Whichever gives the better stats. I've always favored the staves.

[verbal kite]

Hey I haven't seen any mention of this, if I'm missing something obvious my bad. But I think blizzard unlocked death knights fot everyone on wotlk classic now bc I haven't gotten to level 58 or w/e yet but it let me make two

[noble forge]

Yes basically since the start

[empty basalt]

this is a Druid discord...we don't care about filthy Dead Knoobs(just joking)

[hollow hearth]

Hey would anyone mind helping me with which glyph to choose? Wowhead says to take glyph of moonfire but warcraft tavern says to take glyph starfire.... I have 4 major glyphs and need to know which one to put on the bench. Focus, Starfire, moonfire, starfall

[noble forge]

pretty sure neither

and you use 2 starfall + IS glyph

[hollow hearth]

thank you.

[gaunt quail]

How reliable are the wowhead pre-raid bis lists. I've just dinged 80 and I'm looking to build out my tanking/boomie/healing gear and will prob craft some of it but don't want to waste gold.

[shy lake]

Wowhead Cat and bear are the best guides you will find outside joining the dedicated classic discord

[gaunt quail]

Thanks.

[trim girder]

i dont understand cat wotlk. smart people tell me to gem STR. but i see alot with Agi. same for DMC. which one to get for Now and Ulduar+ ?

[noble forge]

str slightly better for bearweaving

[shy lake]

the difference is pretty negligible and not something worth spending brain power on

you probably have a dozen other things to think about that make a substantially larger impact

[steel crown]

For Raiding you want Starfire/Moonfire 100% , Starfall sucks as you will be most of the range 15y+ so that would make Starfall useless.
Insect Swarm is okay only if you have 2nd moonkin in raid applying this as -3% to hit on Boss is HUGE for progress and if noone else is providing such benefit its bad glyph.
Usually the 3rd one is utility , so Rebirth or Innervate early on if you have problems with Mana.

[mint geyser]

Is it confirmed that the -3% to hit works in raids? I haven’t been able to find a source that confirms it. @steel crown

[noble forge]

there is this thing where you can walk into range

to not make it useless

and 3% hit is really not all that useful I guess if your tanks randomly die but that really shouldnt happen and removing a bit of hitchance will still mean it happens just not that often which is a very bad solution

[shy lake]

-3% hit is a lot but people are already trying to 1-2 heal some fights. Tank avoidance is pretty low right now too and it’s value goes up with tank avoidance

[hidden arrow]

It works in raids, fun fact, this will become relatively stronger as the expansion progresses as DR on tank avoidance means each % has a greater value

[steel crown]

I didnt just make this all up, its all from elitistjersk forum back during wotlk

I think they might be still accessible via web archives

https://web.archive.org/web/20100205080403/http://elitistjerks.com/f47/t66856-moonkin_pve_dps_updated_3_3_2_a

this was by Hamlet/Arawethion , the go to guy for Moonkin during TBC/Wotlk

[ruby ocean]

Hi all, just joined the server since i am dealing with a kinda annoying problem on my Resto druid in classic.

I am level 74 resto druid, and sometimes in dungeons i get into groups where i have certain people i can't "hit" with my AoE abilities, such as GotW and Wild Growth.

I can't hit them neither with the AoE part of the WG nor can i hit them with it even when i use it on them directly.
It goes off, but the effect is not applied. So far it has happened with mages, a rogue and a hunter, but not with all hunter, rogues and mages, only with certain people.

Still have not realized why this "bug(?)" happens, but it is quite annoying

[noble forge]

you play on a pve server and you 2 have different states of pvp

so one person has it on other has it off

[ruby ocean]

i play on a normal type server

[noble forge]

yes that is what im saying

[ruby ocean]

ohh, now i understand the first message

sorry, i was restarted

aye, didn't think about the pvp mode, thanks alot

[wind grail]

Hey gamers,
I've been going through some guides for gearing and whatnot, and I've hit a bit of an impasse. I know what my BiS pieces are from a Youtube video where a guy breaks it all down, but I'm getting pieces from Naxx 25 that are in between. I've tried simming things to see if certain gear is better than others, but I'm not 100% sure if its true. Any advice on how to Sim / gear feral?

[noble forge]

btw gotta be VERY careful with bis guides

and compare to some others

and think if they make sense

[wind grail]

Well the main guide that I looked at had an Agi bis list and an Armor Pen bis list. The main thing that I'm concerned about is the EP values that I know absolutely 0 about, but from both simming and from guides, I've been told they can be very misleading

[noble forge]

generally strength is considered best stat

for feral

[shy lake]

Agi BiS list and armor pen BiS list don’t really make sense. I don’t know how much variance there is in boss armor this expansion but don’t plan around getting two full sets of DPS gear

If you want proper information, Classic Druid Discord > Wowhead > all other guides. If it’s a YouTube guide, it’s probably trash

Only YouTube guide I’m aware of that I would trust is Beardigo as he’s active in the other two mentioned communities

Shit is changing constantly. Bearweaving, flowershifting, albino snake, pre-treant. Guides don’t update often for new tech

[wind grail]

The guy I've been watching is Rugs. I guess he's pretty good because he's got 99s on every Naxx boss and he was there for Naxx 25 Realm First

https://www.youtube.com/c/Rugsz/videos

[shy lake]

Rugs is the exact person to not follow. He does well because

1. guild is good
2. he’s a monocat so he has no tank roles
3. he is mechanically good at the game and has a lot of private server experience

However, he blatantly ignores sims and just feelscraft his way through stuff.

It’s not hard to push the right buttons and get good parses. Straight ignoring TC and sims is not someone you want to go to for advice

[winged zephyr]

does starfall benefit from eclipse?>

[steel crown]

no

[errant laurel]

us there a macro to shapeshift into catform but stealthed

like in retail

[shy lake]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qavGp9pfzYnBgrDIZ2lUCzqA1vCi6R1W50XzIKwcUtg/edit

#showtooltip Prowl
/cast [noform:3] !Cat Form
/cast !Prowl```

[errant laurel]

Ty

[thick token]

Waiit trolls cant be druids? when did it get introduced? cata?

[tacit sedge]

Yes, cata

[granite wren]

Is there a BIS list for Phase 2?

[agile nymph]

Folks... Has anyone else forgotten as much as I have? I just created a feral kitty in classic (thought I'd keep kitty-ing to retail, but I couldn't resist anymore) and holy smokes, I don't remember the simplest things. Like, that you could only Shred from behind the target. I f-ing raided in Cata, I should know this!

Also, Claw xD Tee hee hee

(sorry, I'm finding a childish joy in rediscovering these things)

[hidden arrow]

We won't really know until we see the ilvl bump in place

But you can be assured the 213 items will all be replaced

Since I think 10uld will be 226/232/239 and the 25 will be 232/239/245

[zinc fiber]

remembering things is dope

[hidden arrow]

Find a feral or rogue buddy and do some pvp

Higher level, rav+rav/assassinate cracks me up every time

Because people explode

Had a "murder hole" layout with a dk that would grip healers between me and a rogue POP no more tree

[agile nymph]

Bahaha, I'll try that once I get there xD Might even have fun in PvP for once

[fresh maple]

Any ferals looking for a 25man of US-Pagle ally?

[obsidian pebble]

as feral dps during berserk, do you use FB or just spam shred (and maintain SR/rake/rip)? I feel like using FB gets me to energy starving earlier, spamming shred feels more active, but I don't know what does more damage

[potent mica]

how long is Darkmoon trinket good for us?

or is it only bis for Phase 1?

[noble forge]

we dont even know ilvl of ulduar

[tacit sedge]

It's more then naxx!

[half imp]

Any word on wild growth still being bugged to prioritize pets or sometimes just hit 4 or less targets in groups even without pets?

[noble forge]

oh I can fix "bugs" again

[noble forge]

im willing to bet you play on a pve/normal server
if so you and the person which doesnt get WG will have different state of pvp active

so one person has it on other has it off

[half imp]

Oh, okay. Thank you

[hidden arrow]

This, leads to hilarious results, especially when it gets stuck for a whole raid and the shit talking dk doesn't get bloodlust at all

[stark flame]

so im at an impasse here, im 744 haste rn with some naxx 25 gear but i do have some lower pieces. how important is haste for rdruid? most of the gear i find is like a ton more stats but i lose haste, and its usually a decent amount lost

[hidden arrow]

I'd suggest heading to the classic server there is a guide about haste breakpoints depending on your build

But fwiw it's very important until you gain the bonus ticks then it's not

[fringe quiver]

Is moonfire being used again in boomy rotation? I see some top spots using it now

[wind grail]

Hey gamers,
I just learned about Pre-Treanting for Feral, and I know that the damage scales off of Boomkin gear. What should I be statting for / gemming for with my boomy gear when I cast Force of Nature?

[noble forge]

that sounds like some prime meme classic parsing

[shy lake]

Anything for the parse bro

[errant laurel]

which one better

i wanna prioritize attack power stat right?

[hidden arrow]

High DPS means more feral attack power, you'll rarely use a lower item level weapon

[errant laurel]

Ohh ok so the polearm is better right?

[hidden arrow]

Yeah just gotta go train it

[errant laurel]

Got it thanks

[heavy river]

how is resto in classic compared to retail

[gentle jolt]

Not for low level weapons, feral attack power isn't added to items until TBC

[hidden arrow]

O you're right

[hidden arrow]

Wotlk resto is blanket the raid with hot

[silk estuary]

I was wondering where the hell my wild growths have been going. Team will be at full health but I’m doing my DD by pressing WG off cd but nobody gets the buff

[hidden arrow]

Pets?

Will always eat the buffs if everyone is at 100% because they have the lowest hp pool

[silk estuary]

Gah, I hate that. I hope their pets can use the extra mana 😞

[noble forge]

detective psyduck on the case

are you also playing on a pve/normal server?

[candid vortex]

i'm blind, or is here a WOTLK Cat Section ? i try to find a working Bearweaving macro

[noble forge]

this is not a classic discord so ti doesnt exist

[hidden arrow]

🤮

[distant merlin]

Hey lads, 1 quick question about resto - valor bracers leather or cloth? Just as a temporary filler before I lay my hands on a bis ones

https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=40739/bands-of-the-great-tree

https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=40741/cuffs-of-the-shadow-ascendant

also is a wowhead bis list a good one to follow?

[lone vigil]

Muwahaha. Bear gonna be critting for 30-40% of a DPS HP at 70

[tacit sedge]

Yea? Gonna crit the level 80 dps? @lone vigil

[lone vigil]

Thought I got pvp, my bad haha

[hidden arrow]

The gap is small, not worth the wasted gold

But the cloth ones provide better throuput

[harsh fractal]

Does anyone know the amount of targets needed where it makes sense to use cat swipe? Not sure if 2 targets is worth swiping.

[hidden arrow]

2

It's insane how much it scales

[fringe quiver]

Anyone know if the Master Shapeshifter buff overrides the Arcane Empowerment raid buff?

[hidden arrow]

It shouldn't?

[twin lotus]

Yo how do you manage threat with bearweaving as a feral?

[cold moth]

u hope ur tanks press buttons

or u can ask for a pally external

[hidden arrow]

Like, if you're pulling aggro bear weaving, your thanksvare either paladins or just asleep

[gritty blaze]

What rep to grind first for pve in wotlk for resto

[gritty blaze]

what is thanksvare

[hidden arrow]

"tanks are" when you have gorilla hands and only a phone keyboard

[gritty blaze]

palas not good at single target aggro? Because on packs it seems like they killing it

[worn shadow]

anyone know a good addon that shows all resources?

[mellow palm]

Weak auras

[grizzled vortex]

Hello, I have probably a dumb question... In regards to feral cat dps, many guides have the Ring of Invincibility as a best in slot for phase 1. It has such a low agility stat though compared to my other rings. Is the stat trade off worth it? What am I missing here?

[noble forge]

well you ofc miss all the other stats

[grizzled vortex]

I thought agility was out primary stat. I guess i dont what number of attack power becomes > agility

[noble forge]

just cause it would be a "primary" stat doesnt mean its even best point for point

[grizzled vortex]

hmm, ok. I guess i still need to learn/understand when its ok to give up your primary stat and not

[shy lake]

You just sim the gear like any other class https://wowsims.github.io/wotlk/feral_druid/

Agi is not infinite value nor is it order of magnitudes better so sometimes other stats on higher ilvl or better optimized gear wins

[grizzled vortex]

I havent seen this site before, thanks!

[hidden arrow]

So wotlk is a very strange animal for cats, at varying times crit and ARP depending on how much ofveach you have take priority

[main estuary]

I was under the impression that simming in classic wasn’t available and if it was that it isn’t super accurate. This is just what I’ve heard so obviously could be complete bullshit. But was just curious how reliable Sims are for wotlk

[shy lake]

Not sure where you got that. It’s not as powerful as the retail sims since there isn’t money involved but it still does the job. Bear and Feral sources have been solid since classic vanilla

[main estuary]

Ah okay. I play boomkin but I just hadn’t heard much about classic simming other than it wasn’t as robust or whatever. Like I said, what I was saying was likely complete Bull shit that’s just what I had heard and was curious if y’all had the same sentiment

[noble forge]

It got better but a lot of the classic theory crafting was very bad and still loads of issues but there for sure is some improvement

So to me at least there are good reasons to question validity of them more so compared to retail (where you should sanity check too ofc)

[shy lake]

Druids was fine because it was so simple. Press maul.

[noble forge]

For cat

[shy lake]

Cat was unreliable because you never knew what bullshit could come next

[crisp mist]

anyone know how spell power/attack power works in wotlk? like my staff said gain "x" amount of attack power in bear form, cat form and moonkin form, how does attack power convert to spell power as i am playing balance?

[hidden arrow]

It doesn't, feral AP is for bear and cat

[shy lake]

It doesn't. It just makes you melee harder in moonkin form

[crisp mist]

ah tyty. that is what i though but i just want to be sure.