classic

[empty basalt]

how useful is Omen early leveling? like pre 40's?

[rough yarrow]

Details has a threat metre or two if that's what you're talking about

[shy lake]

He’s talking about omen of clarity

It’s ok. Never delay mangle though

[tired field]

Is it almost John Madden time? 👀

[tacit sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/madden-game-gif-5896129

[sweet meadow]

lf german translator

will tip

[noble forge]

what for

[sweet meadow]

i just got old tapes from 1997 ish of my grandfather talking about how he escaped germany in ww2 with my great uncle who was a nazi. At least thats how the story was passed down idk everything though. I was young when he passed.

[frigid robin]

how is this related to classic, druid, or wow at all

[obsidian sinew]

maybe his grandpa plays classic wow

[sweet meadow]

well because im trying to pay gold for the help in translating. also, idk where or how to go about finding someone to translate so I'm just on the search for help.

[obsidian sinew]

try your servers discord

if they have one

most do

[sweet meadow]

its just a us server so the germans are probably few and far between. figured this discord might have a little more outreach ya know

[obsidian sinew]

probs worth asking in your server discord. You might get lucky

[noble forge]

Also if you wanna pay with gold how useful would that be for someone not in na

[shy lake]

If you want to pay in gold, you would need them to be on the same server anyway

Honestly you’d probably find someone for free online on like Reddit or something. Can probably find a couple dozen people willing to translate any WW2 related stuff, especially something like a personal story

[noble forge]

yea post it on german subreddit for example

will give you multiple people translating or maybe message ppl individually there

[sinful otter]

https://youtu.be/FdxmhyLx29g

[still tinsel]

does travel form (ground) get upgraded to 100% as well with journeyman riding on tbc?

[noble forge]

No

[still tinsel]

oof, there's no such thing as swift travel form (ground) in classic?

[noble forge]

Correct

Flying is also slower

Compared to the fastest mounts

Which is like alar and the raid achievement proto drakes and glad mounts

I think dungeon achievement is 280

[still tinsel]

I see, thank you so much!

[dusky haven]

Does anybody know whether a Druid in shapeshift can use bombs/grenades in wrath? I can’t seem to find the answer online

[small zinc]

u can use engineering frag belt in cat form as feral druid in wrath private servers

dont know about classic / beta

i dont think professions were instantly maxed out on pve / pvp beta servers

for ppl to test them

[rugged dock]

I don't have beta, but I remember back in wrath it was fine.

[heavy crypt]

Hey guys how fun is feral in wrath compared to the cata style?

[noble forge]

7

[shy lake]

You can use sappers but I’m fairly confident you can’t use bombs and grenades due to cast time

[static yarrow]

Is Balance any good for solo play? Wanting to have a Resto/Balance Drood because lvling a pally is atrocious.

[noble forge]

what do you mean when saying solo, what do you intend to do?

[static yarrow]

Quest at a more efficient rate than a ret pally.

[noble forge]

feral is pretty good but moonkin no

especially not in tbc

but even in wrath patch

would not go moonkin before at the very least outland

but in wrath pala leveling is getting a shitton better too

with infinite mana/more spells

[static yarrow]

Mkay. Guess Feral will do. At least i can tank? Maybe lol. I never played a Druid until Cata so no clue what iam getting into.

[noble forge]

for sure yea

if you talk leveling you could tank with ret gear too if you use shield + one hander and have dual spec

again that would be wrath - that isnt true in tbc

[old bolt]

@fierce heart

[noble forge]

@old bolt

[fierce heart]

@old bolt

[old bolt]

@noble forge

@fierce heart

[harsh ridge]

Hi all, looking for a boomkin / feral / resto BiS list for Wrath phase 1, any ideas where i could find this? thanks in advance!

[tacit sedge]

Wowhead.com

[spiral thicket]

[rain kettle]

Hey, currently having fun as a fresh dinged Feral DD, but i m kinda afraid of the WOTLK Feral, a lot of people say its realy hard to play. My question is, is it like
playing perfect = pretty good dps
playing semi good/okay = trash DPS?
Or is Feral in WOTLK also okay/any good when i dont play it absolut perfect? Thinking about just going Resto in WOTLK 😐

[noble forge]

"hard" being very relative

Just play it and see if you have fun

Nothing is rocket science

[spiral mason]

Hi, would you suggest to not even go Balance until lvl 80?

[noble forge]

For leveling I probably wouldn't go balance unless you have very good tbc gear

But BC/wrath leveling should be alright as moonkin due to way better questing gear don't think it's close to feral tho

[hidden arrow]

Feral iirc has some of the highest potential DPS, but requires an understanding of snapshotting to push that bar, otherwise they ok DPS.

[rain kettle]

okay, thanks

[safe frigate]

https://www.twitch.tv/mumples 70 druid fc

[cold moth]

I am new to bear tanking (still leveling up, only level 61 at the moment) and I am having problems with priests using PW:S on me on the pull. I ask them not to, but many of them do it anyway. I don't want to get an addon to remove the shield because I am afraid it will get me killed eventually. How do you all handle this problem? I guess one solution is to just make a macro that removes problematic buffs and hit that as needed, but I am wondering if there is a better solution.

[hidden arrow]

Just make a cancelaura macro

Like getting priests to cut out their pws spam is like asking them to stop breathing

[cold moth]

Alright. I will make a macro and just get use to hitting it. I can add renew on LoS pulls to the list of annoying buffs to get rid of too.

Lastly, when I am going into a pull with no rage, I feel like I am literally just rolling dice and hoping for the best. I have to run in, auto attack, and hope I don't miss and get enough rage to use my abilities before people start pulling. Even when I use enrage, it isn't enough rage to do anything right away. Is there a better way to be doing this or is that just a downside of bear tanking?

[hidden arrow]

Welcome to tanking in tbc, it gets much better in wotlk, a lot of qol changes

[cold moth]

Haha, dang.

I'll live either way. I manage just fine, it is just stressful in random groups that like to cast spells before you can even reach the enemies.

[hidden arrow]

Yeah that won't change

[noble forge]

shift into bear / you have faerie fire

[obsidian sinew]

bears are also some of the worst dungeon tanks as well and their threat etc mostly comes from scaling really well with raid buffs. Dungeons will always kinda suck. Make sure to utilise bash and taunts alot while using mangle on targets you have low threat on

[shy lake]

TBC Bear dungeon tanking is the most fun because you get to actually do stuff instead of press consecrate and afk

[crimson void]

Can anyone help with an addon or weakaura to track rake/rip with snapshots? I used to use Droodfocus back in the day and this over time was replaced by Dotfocus, neither are in 'support' now and no version of each works correctly with the wotlk classic game client. Every single WA i can find just tracks duration, or adds tracking for extending rip but nothing looking at if your currently proc'd buffs would result in a stronger ticking rip

[true lagoon]

Question if anyone if familiar with Vanilla Classic. Bears could theoretically serve as the main tank for basically everything, yeah?

[noble forge]

Theoretically probably yea

At least most things

[safe frigate]

https://www.twitch.tv/mumples 70 fc dru

[cold moth]

Will the pre-patch for Wrath classic allow druids to start using consumables in their animal forms? I got mixed results when I looked it up, but I think I remember reading somewhere a while back that this was a quality of life fix in the original Wrath.

[rocky copper]

hey

do ferals keep combo points on target in wrath

or do we keep them on our character

?

@noble forge

[noble forge]

target

[rocky copper]

damn

when does that change happen?

[livid plaza]

i think that was added in cata? I don't think the tree drinking water animation is something I saw in wrath.

[gentle jolt]

Warlords, I believe. In MoP you have re-direct from using symb on a rogue

[noble forge]

quick google says thats correct

[gentle jolt]

[spiral mason]

This is a stupid question to ask I know, but I have always played Druid since Vanilla, with the on and off alt. I just notice in tbc classic that whenever I want to join a dungeon they always ask me to either tank or heal. Is this something that continues in Wotlk as well?

I keep losing aggro as a bear, especially in a spellcleave group and it’s really bothersome (and I prefer doing dps overall)

[noble forge]

Asking you? For sure

But just cause you get asked doesn't mean you have to say yes

[hidden arrow]

Form your own group, they ask because tanks and healers are hard to come by.

Looking forward to the qol changes coming in wotlk

[shy lake]

There is always a tank/healer shortage for groups

From classic to retail, it has always existed for 5 mans

Then you typically have a tank surplus for raid content as you go from a 1:5 ratio to a 1:10

Tanking dungeons before WotLK as bear isn’t really tanking. Aoe threat is trash and players are even worse. Mark skull, mangle it and then ignore it. Taunt it back if needed. Otherwise you’re just controlling shit with bash, taunt, and charge. It gets better in WotLK

[neon linden]

Is there a dedicated discord or channel for the specific Druid specs for classic or is it just this general tab?

[frigid robin]

There's a server for druid classic, located in the pins, but I don't think you'll get any more specific than that

[shy lake]

Nope, just the one in the pins. Bear channel is good. Info for the other channels is good but the people are strange

[cold moth]

i cant decide if i wanna main balance/resto druid or spriest/heal for wotlk... pve mainily

any thoughts which one and why would be better?

[obsidian sinew]

Try both and see which one you like more. Gearing etc for phase 1 is inconsequential and the main raid is naxx so it's probs your best time to play a bunch of different toons and see which one you enjoy more

[cold moth]

yes

[cedar cobalt]

@ashen wharf here?

[sage owl]

.

[young saddle]

Hello, I was curious what race is better between nelf and tauren druids for wotlk? I'm thinking about rolling one on the fresh server

[noble forge]

Tauren for horde and nelf for alliance

[young saddle]

Lol, I’m asking between those two races which is the better for pvp and pve

[noble forge]

over?

but the question doesnt really make too much sense - if you talk pvp assuming people play the best(and blizz doesnt change it) the really relevant race is human, however I think - and ive seen most people agree that human wont become dominant before s7 due to trial trinkets being nutty so I imagine loads of people will play things like orc before - so I imagine Tauren being best until your teammates swap over to human and its not because tauren racial is better earlier but your teammates have better racials on horde early and better racials on alliance late

pretty sure for pve neither spec has anything relevant at all

race*

[hidden arrow]

Nightelf can drop combat and kitty steath in pvp with their racial starting in wotlk iirc

[young saddle]

Yeah, Nelf seemed to get a lot of buffs in wotlk, I know warstomp and the 5% health increase for tauren was pretty big in pvp and pve, but now it seems like nelf is the best race for druid

[hidden arrow]

5% is only on your base hp, no scaling or buffs/gear iirc

[cold moth]

what buffs do the NE's get in wotlk?

[zinc fiber]

I agree

[hidden arrow]

I only know of the shadowmeld buff, don't think they get anything else

[cold moth]

ahhh, oki

[hidden arrow]

I mean 2% dodge continues to be baller especially with the rage change

[spiral mason]

Is there a guide for prepatch pvp talent builds (for Balance)? Can’t seem to find any

[lone vigil]

wowhead has some

[crimson vault]

I rolled a feral dps for wrath and im getting nervous. Never played the spec before but reading guides it sounds like its hard to play

[hidden arrow]

It's not easy

[noble forge]

its not rocket science what so ever

if youve played any modern wow in the last couple of years you'll be more then fine

[shy lake]

^

It’s hard compared to pressing fireball / shadowbolt over and over

Maybe not because you have to put effort in to stay awake while doing that

[static yarrow]

I played boomy since Legion… i wanna play it in Wrath… am i in for a really bad time or is it noob friendly?

[noble forge]

everything is easy

just play what you wanna play

[plucky prism]

I am leaning towards druid for tank/healer? will they be ok for groups/raids?

or am I better off doing pally for tank/heal

[cold moth]

How was feral in classic?

Er, Wrath rather

[tacit sedge]

Top tier if you could play it

[hidden arrow]

Borderline op

[zinc fiber]

if I wanna just do dungeons of these two: prot pally, or Hpal, which is easier to get into groups?

[obsidian sinew]

Tank but you shouldn't have issues finding groups as either healer or tank

[zinc fiber]

what UI do people use for wow classic?

[crimson vault]

elvui with benikui for theming, also with Project azilroka

[zinc fiber]

ty

I'm level 70 with old gear idk what to do now

[crimson vault]

Cant help you there im lvl 27

[hidden arrow]

Grind BGs get honor, buy Season 4 gear, be ready for WOTLK dungeon soloing

IF bear, if not bear uh...do the same but bring a team?

[zinc fiber]

I'm gearing prot pally I dont think I should even farm gear at this point

it will be replaced w quest greens soon

[vagrant temple]

losing the quest helper addon hurts ready for the addon updates! Lol

[heady harbor]

Hey fellow druids! Does anybody know how to remove the "new default" mana bar while shapeshifted in 3.4.0 ?

[safe frigate]

https://www.twitch.tv/mumples 70 pre patch fc dru

[spiral mason]

Is it really that hard? In comparison to other classes that is?

[hidden arrow]

Requires more than 3 braincells but it's more inline with modern wow rotations than other spec slap face to keyboard

[spiral mason]

To put it simple, it’s just keeping up dots and savage roar right, en spend leftover energy on FB?

[hidden arrow]

Yes, to put it not simple it's snapshotting AP procs and not clipping high damage applications of your dots

[cold moth]

anyone know where I could find feral dps pvp talent tree for prepatch

[obsidian sinew]

the cat rotation from what ive seen looks kinda convoluted with bear weaving and shifting out for OOC procs with gotw and shit, probs best to check the classic discord for it

[silk estuary]

Fairly new to classic but the heroics from last week to this week aren’t even the same game. Holy. Rdruid feeling nutty wild growth is INSANE

Feels like tranq

And starfall hurricane? Pffffffffff

[spiral mason]

I get discouraged quite easily, but i’ll just try and see for myself 😂

[obsidian sinew]

you can do it!

[gentle jolt]

Ferals are good in wotlk anyway even without fancy things like bearweaving and fishing for omen of clarity procs, as long as you can play the bleed snapshotting minigame

[noble forge]

Very sure what b tier just said is hyper optimization and you don't really need to do that if you don't want to

[zinc fiber]

trust me dont do it

[crimson vault]

I cant find a bleed timer only weakaura. Anyone happen to know if any? Not looking for a full ui wa 😭

[noble forge]

very easy to make yourself if you cant find that

just gotta check for debuffs on target

[crimson vault]

Idk how to make wa lol

[steel remnant]

I didnt know this existed

[shy lake]

Find one with bleed. Delete / don’t load stuff you don’t want

[crimson vault]

https://wotlk.evowow.com/?spell=5570

Going through this list, why are there abilities in it I havnt learned yet?

Like insect swarm and feral cat bear charge

[noble forge]

those are talents

[crimson vault]

Thanks

So is Ravage an opener and then you continue to use Shred but on bosses your in front of you just use claw?

[noble forge]

In no situation would you ever press claw

Mangle is just better

[crimson vault]

Im lvl 34 I dont I have that yet

[noble forge]

So you also don't face bosses

[crimson vault]

So I can take claw off hotbar once I learn mangle?

[noble forge]

Yes

[zinc fiber]

@crimson vault u need to stand behind bosses or to the side

[crimson vault]

@zinc fiber Arnt there some bosses like dragons you can do that with?

Cant*

Or is that a retail thing

[zinc fiber]

they cant parry or block if you are behind

they can if you are in front

reduce dodges*

they can still possibly dodge

[crimson vault]

I meant by dont most dragon encounters have a tail whip mechanic for standing behind them?

[zinc fiber]

most bosses had a frontal cone ability so what's your point

stand behind the boss or do less damage

[crimson vault]

Yeah but you cant dodge the tail whip

[zinc fiber]

that's a very niche reason to do bad dps on every other boss

[crimson vault]

I was jw

Just trying to clarify stuff. Nvr played wrath before

[zinc fiber]

there are generally mechanics in raids yes but every raid is different

there could be a dragon that kills u if u dont stand behind

every fight is different but never stand in front of the boss unless u have a damn good reason

if the boss doesnt turn to face u when u get aggro then the tank doesn't have a visual cue to taunt

there are so many reasons to not stand in front

[dusty salmon]

Hey in wotlk pvp can you do starfall shadowmeld and just chill while ur stars fall on ppl

[zinc fiber]

did you wake up today and choose genocide

dont u gotta be casting starfall

[fast nexus]

Indeed you can

There’s some 1shot clips around from beta

Rogue/boomie

[shy lake]

Tail whips are not the back 180degrees of the boss. It’s like a 60degree angle or something. You can be off to the side and slightly behind and still use shred

[crimson vault]

Good info to know. Thx

[steel remnant]

@full rock do i boost a druid or a hunter

[full rock]

lol wtf idk

druid cuz i like druid

[steel remnant]

CHOOSE

[full rock]

DRUID

[steel remnant]

ty

2 druid gamer and i level hunter

[full rock]

oh, but ig i was wrong btw. feral doesn't get kcik in wotlk

thats cataa

u do get kidney though

mim

maim

[steel remnant]

also wrong about insta clone

cuz ur dumb

[full rock]

I WSANT WRONG BAAOUT THT

[steel remnant]

and said i was a liar

[full rock]

i literally siaad its in weraath

nopt in vnaill/BC

[steel remnant]

YOU SAID THAT I WAS A LIAR

[full rock]

cuz i thought u meaant vanilla

not wotlk

[steel remnant]

u dumb dumb bubble gum head ass

[zinc fiber]

what class do I boost

I have 70 paladin and like 63 druid

[obsidian sinew]

rogue

[bitter glacier]

anyone have a macro for wotlk classic, go into treeform before mouseover healing spell macro?

[noble forge]

you might be lying here

[floral night]

Trevvy always lies do not trust

[hearty osprey]

how importatnt is raiding to stay competitive as a feral in arenas?

[noble forge]

very

[hearty osprey]

for hunter too right?

[noble forge]

probably less so

but for every class/spec yes

[hearty osprey]

ah screw it

ill just go play dota2 until dragonflight then

ty for reply

[zinc fiber]

is dota2 good?

im looking for a moba to play hots dying

[hearty osprey]

yeah i like it more than LOL, ive been playing dota since it was a wc3 map soo

i like the wow aspect of it

[cerulean sapphire]

Does anyone have a solid 1-80 to follow for feral? I know nothing about classic

[steel remnant]

@noble forge can you explain what AP does for feral? I asked the classic discord and they literally go "imagine a rogue with really good daggers"

[steel remnant]

leveling guide or?

[cerulean sapphire]

Talents more than anything

[steel remnant]

https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/guides/feral-duid-dps-pre-patch-talents-builds this is a good prepatch one

iirc 70-80 is taking resto shit to get moc back

errr ooc

[cerulean sapphire]

Gotchaaa, thnak you :D

[noble forge]

ap does the same for feral as for every single other physical dmg dealer

increases autos/ability dmg

[steel remnant]

ok i thought so they just gave some fucking condiment answer

[noble forge]

should keep in mind that thats a raiding build something like improved shred is useless for lvling while something like imp mangle is quite good

[noble forge]

dunno your question is kinda weird

to me it sounds like they thought you asked about ilvl upgrade on weapons

and if that is what you asked that answer is quite true

[steel remnant]

nah i was asking about the the actual ap stat

[noble forge]

yea thats strange

[cerulean sapphire]

I'm only level 27 atm, I was honestly gonna just go ooc first thing and feral from there. I'm not sure if it's particularly bad to delay other talent options though

[noble forge]

yea I wouldnt

just go at the very least till mangle in feral

prolly till berserk

[cerulean sapphire]

How would you go about getting there then?

[noble forge]

yikes

[cerulean sapphire]

The bear swipe talent for example feels so useless

Yeah

A lot of mistakes

[steel remnant]

did u turn on confirm talent selection?

[cerulean sapphire]

What

[steel remnant]

i wish i knew about that sooner saves a ton of gold if ur zoomer impatient

Interface > Features > Preview Talent Changes

[cerulean sapphire]

I dno, I just saw some guide, followed it, realised it was actually bad and now here I am

turned it on now

[steel remnant]

id also give boomkin leveling a shot it seems super QoL now that mana issues were resolved

[cerulean sapphire]

I'm gonna stick to feral just out of preference

[steel remnant]

2 druids 1 boomkin 1 feral

ez

i have 2 druids and a hunter

[noble forge]

wouldnt do that anywhere close to 30

maybe 50+

before that no way

[cerulean sapphire]

So what talents would you take up to say

40

[steel remnant]

look for talents that benefit pulling more than 1 mob

[cerulean sapphire]

Well bear swipe does less than just rake spreading even with the talrnts

[steel remnant]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wotlk-classic/feral-druid-leveling-guide

this cant be that bad

slider too for specific levels

[noble forge]

https://www.warcrafttavern.com/wotlk/tools/talent-calculator/druid?t=B111115566688aaaffdddjjiggllmmmp

did a quick one

maybe

sth like that

[cerulean sapphire]

Thanks a bunch <3

[steel remnant]

Ent which would you prio level engi or jc

im thinking engi for bombs to help dps but i can be swayed to jc

[noble forge]

dunno

[steel remnant]

my guts telling me engi so i think i do engi first

[sleek cipher]

What would be better for feral druid pvp Brutal Staff or the Brutal Painsaw polearm?

[sharp garnet]

is there like a bis list from brutal gear for wotlk pre patch?

[tropic harbor]

wrong channel lulw

[crimson vault]

Does int have any benefit for feral? Agi gear seems to be not common when lvling

[noble forge]

int gives you mana

[crimson vault]

Thx

[steel remnant]

?

oh i see mb i thought you were talking about my comment lmao

[sharp garnet]

is there any guide anywhere for what brutal gear to get?

[steel remnant]

from my grind and what i got i went wep first then head

and then started to replace my old vanilla gear

ended up with this

wep should be top tier priority

[noble forge]

no

[sharp garnet]

do we want 2hander and not 1hander/OH

[noble forge]

ofc has way more AP on it

[steel remnant]

im ready

[sharp garnet]

ah i was talking about moonkin sorry

[noble forge]

look at the items

and see what changes

[crimson vault]

Are riding trainers still race specific in wrath?

[empty basalt]

i feel sad that wowhead doesn't have a leveling guide for feral...

[humble palm]

Icy veins does

[shy lake]

Classic discord has leveling talents. It’s really not needed as the normal talent set works plenty fine

I wouldn’t trust icy veins. They’ve been unreliable in the past until they copy wowheads guide for classic feral

[noble forge]

was interested what they recommend but I literally cannot find it in their server, where is it?

like dont see a leveling channel and classic-wotlk does not have anything like that pinned

[tropic harbor]

me, playing Feral Druid in Wrath: yo what the fuck did they do to Feral they absolutely ruined this spec on retail ???

[shy lake]

I don't see an updated one for wotlk but here is tbc. should still be mostly relevant: #780185714942935091 message

[noble forge]

yea dont think thats overly relevant

[tropic harbor]

icy-veins has leveling talents
https://www.icy-veins.com/wotlk-classic/feral-druid-leveling-guide

[tropic harbor]

^

[noble forge]

yea but the claim was about the discord

not icy veins

[tropic harbor]

o

[noble forge]

also not chosing imp LotP

seems absolutely stupid

for leveling

[remote tendon]

Any recommended minimal resto druid elvui profiles for wotlk classic? Id love to skip setting it all up myself lol

[trim girder]

do you take the mace or the staff from pvp ? cat.

[noble forge]

What are the stats

On both and ap

[trim girder]

26 hit 50 crit 100ap on staff / 50 str 19 hit 50crit 14armor pen

[empty basalt]

i don't trust Icy...they have led me wrong way to many times

part of the issue i think for leveling Feral is that talents are a little counter-intuitive, some of the most impactful talents are not FERAL talents. Furor and Omen and Master Shapeshifter are pretty much required for leveling and those are resto talents.

[noble forge]

Looks like ap one is better to me

[noble forge]

Hard disagree with them being required or even very useful for leveling

[empty basalt]

and i will have to disagree with you...with the amount of shifting you do while leveling Furor alone is worth it's weight in gold and master shapeshifter makes it so you can be a bit freer with shifting out to heal then back...

[noble forge]

Why do you shift so much, and sure they are not useless but you sacrifice so much for it

Sth like imp leader of the pack will safe you more mana imo

And be more dmg in addition

Mangle is an absurd dps increase too

Ofc there are slightly worse talents like lvl 17-20 range I think you don't have crazy stuff to get but things like the expertise talent too is just amazing for leveling

[empty basalt]

Shift to heal, travel and pull.

shift to bear when i pull to much

shift when a mob starts fleeing

power shift to instantly regen energy

or dump a CC

yes i shift alot

[cold moth]

I shift enough that 3 points in furor feels good but nothing past that quite yet

The dps increase from further down in feral tree is pretty big

[indigo fog]

quickj question, i just got back to the game.. I last played retail and was using a weak aura that tracked my bleeds.. i think it was by moonbunny?

is there anything like that for classic?

[cold moth]

anyone got a pvp feral dps spec for prepatch

[empty basalt]

*natural

[noble forge]

That's not a thing anymore

[native tusk]

Do I get the brutal staff or 2h mace for a feral druid? I assumed 50 str from mace would be better than 100 AP, but then I saw that Predatory Strikes increases attack power from weapons by 20%

[cerulean sapphire]

weapon damage doesnt matter for feral right?

[noble forge]

technically correct

but weapon dmg determines the feral AP on a weapon

[native matrix]

Incase you haven't already bought one, 2h mace is the correct choice. The strength = 100ap anyway, and it comes with armor pen.

[floral night]

@wise heart

[wise heart]

fuk u puzzle

[crimson vault]

Is there anything from TBC content that last awhile in phase 1 wrath? Im on a new toon and I wont have attunements done

[violet aspen]

these queues r crazy

[blazing frost]

can anyone suggest which guide for feral dps out there is the most accurate for wotlk? 😄

[native matrix]

The wowhead guide is a good place to start.

[tropic harbor]

"How's WotLK Classic?"

[crimson vault]

Are talent builds being changed once pre patch is over or during different phases?

[tropic harbor]

WotLK Classic is on Wrath's final patch, so all of the balance/talents are set where they were at the end of the expac. Thus probably no balance or talent changes happening throughout the phases.

[tropic harbor]

You don't need to do TBC attunements anymore. They made sure none of the Atiesh/random level 40 profession gear/gear from a level 30 dungeon/etc. shenanigans would happen again going from TBC to Wrath as it happened going from Vanilla to TBC.

[cerulean sapphire]

Would training stick or Mograines might be better? x

I dno how to weigh up hit chance vs melee power for cat

[violet aspen]

whats the main changes for feral from tbc to wotlk?

[obsidian sinew]

alot changes about the spec. The biggest thing is how energy gains work so you dont powershift anymore

[violet aspen]

is the rotation basically the same?

[obsidian sinew]

it's different now ye

[nimble vigil]

Is there a macro for travel form where it'll use the relevant one for wrath?

[crimson vault]

Cant find any phase 1 gearing builds. Anyone know of any? Only seeing pre patch

[tropic harbor]

Big time different, whole "new" spec.

[cold moth]

is balance or ele better at aoe farming?

[noble forge]

dont think either is particularly amazing at it, but should be moonkin

[cold moth]

but moonkin is amazing with starfall and hurricane, plus treants

i wonder if ele got something similar

[sudden steppe]

how does the weapon attack power part of predatory strikes work?

[noble forge]

for farming? not really

or you mean dungeon groups?

[cold moth]

@noble forge actually for both... for dungeon groups primarily, but also if i would want to do some aoe farming or fast questing

[empty basalt]

I don't know if this is rose tinted glasses or not but I remember Balance being really good for AOE farming back in mid Wrath...just had to be a wee bit careful of your pulls(Starfall had wicked pulling range)

[zinc fiber]

maybe it has to do w aoe cap

[noble forge]

Totally depends what the goal of the farm is and what you compare it to

[hidden arrow]

Getting the true 2008 experience

[shy lake]

Druid classic discord > Wowhead > Barrens chat > All other sources

[viscid elm]

So for endgame I want to be Resto. But can't find any guides on how to level / talents to focus on to do quests efficiently but also able to heal dungeons. Struggling on questing solo. I'm still only level 45 just taking so long. Should I just spec into Balance and base healing spells are enough for dungeons anyways so don't worry about it? Any help would be grateful ty.

[empty basalt]

honestly? at that level you can heal a dungeon with out healing spec...remember we are NOT shamans who have to spec to be able to even wipe...a druid is decent at any roll no matter the talents. That being said Feral at that level is real nice and you can still heal/ranged damage

[empty basalt]

I remember BC going to Wrath and feeling like a farming god with starfall/bear Swipe

[viscid elm]

@empty basalt Alright sounds good, all my gear and talents i've bought are balance/resto and i'm too poor for respec and buy gear to try feral at this point lol. Thank you!

[empty basalt]

remember that it's a viable strat to let your tank die and then go bear to off tank while regening mana...i think? you have Frenzy regen by 45 and that can give you alot of mileage

and if the tank bitches? tell them they should have mitigated better

[viscid elm]

lol sounds good

[empty basalt]

if you haven't noticed i am a grumpy healer

i can heal alot of things...but i can't heal stupid

[empty basalt]

one QoL change i wish had made it into classic from Retail was the whole auto cancel shapeshift when talking to FP's

[hidden arrow]

Legit healed ramps/bf as feral with some mp5 rings and a stack of mana pots

[cold moth]

someone just told me feral cant trigger "on hit" items, is that true.?

[cerulean sapphire]

Is there any way to stop feral form from forcing track humanoid?

[graceful inlet]

Running some prepatch bt and swp. Anything prebis for nax hard to replace etc I should focus? I’m mostly pvp and za/Kara geared currently.

[hidden arrow]

You can do naxx 25 in level 70 blues

So I wouldn't worry

[graceful inlet]

Well that’s no fun 😝 but fair point

[empty basalt]

i vaguely recall that...atleast with weapons? i think Trinkets still work but as Feral your not actually hitting with what ever weapon your using so any procs on weapons wouldn't work.

[cold moth]

Huh, weird

[cerulean sapphire]

Huh

[nimble vigil]

I like the raid frames from the retail UI, just blocks that are shaded to match the class color, simple to position. Is there an addon I can get to have a similar appearence on classic?

[safe frigate]

https://www.twitch.tv/mumples 70 fc druid

[echo bluff]

For wotlk dungeon leveling, is feral or balance better?

[noble forge]

prolly moonkin till you unlock swipe

[hidden arrow]

Bear

Bear in brutal with 4 DPS as long as one can side heal (like a ret or enhancement) will plow leveling dungeons till 75;ez

[noble forge]

yea that does not sound wrong

wasnt thinking about tonk

[cold moth]

What lvl is cat swipe

[hidden arrow]

71 and I do more DPS in bear form than in cat right now because of how poorly cats are setup without ooc and better ranks

[junior juniper]

Have they nerfed feral dps or are they just testing stuff to balance out the dps ? Feel like read everywhere they have nerfed them

In the beta i mean

[hidden arrow]

They're not tuned for prepatch

[hidden arrow]

It's a case of feral standing still while everyone else has rocket shoes

They're not nerfed so much as everyone else (but warriors) got massive buffs

[junior juniper]

So feral dps will be valid in Wrath?

Im having real hard time to choose between feral or balance/resto 😶 even considering dk or boost something else

[hidden arrow]

Feral has some of the highest potential DPS

[junior juniper]

🙏

[hidden arrow]

A PvP tier list

That's some smoothbrain clickbait

[zinc fiber]

the fuck is preg paladin

did someone use a knock up on them or something

[sonic sparrow]

which brutal weapon do i get for feral? i've seen people with the mace and the staff

[hidden arrow]

Yes

[sonic sparrow]

[hidden arrow]

The short answer is, mace

[sonic sparrow]

ok bet i like short answers

thanks lol

[hidden arrow]

But it's splitting hairs

[sonic sparrow]

it won't matter soon so i'm not bothered, just wasn't sure if one was substantially better

[zinc fiber]

yo im 62 lvling with this build

https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/talent-calc/druid/-550202130322012053120033313001-205503012_001ngx11xfs21xjf31rfz41rg651rg0/1ADbbbFHKNqRMTVwzIzluO5llg-2AcccDhFJcc1bb

how 2 play

what abilities do i actually use

is claw my builder

or is rake better

rake costs less but is a bleed

wtf theres too many spells what is this bs

what do i spend combo pts on

theres ferocious bite / maim / rip

for builder should i use claw rake ravage or shred

one of u has to know

[nimble vigil]

mangle is your builder, apply rake after first mangle, spend on rip if it will live long enough for the duration, spend on bite if not. ravage is an opener, shred isn't good while solo because it's from behind

[zinc fiber]

thank you!! I need to save this

[hidden arrow]

Claw is a nub trap

That'll get you killed

[cold moth]

Shred becomes really good for dungeons/bosses/in groups cause (with the glyph) It extends rip for up to 6 seconds and just does a lot of dmg

[zinc fiber]

i dont have mangle yet so for now do i use rake and claw to build?

should i get mangle before omen of clarity lol

i can get it if i dont go down boomy tree yet

I went from 62-64 today with your help thank you

i was lost

[noble forge]

I'd personally recommend going full feral till at the very least mangle before anything else yes

[zinc fiber]

thank u i will do that

[noble forge]

So at 50 I'd have mangle maybe could argue delaying berserk for some other stuff

[zinc fiber]

ok i got it i reset talents

at 64 i was able to get to berserk and 2 pts into resto tree

thanks again this is exciting

i was on a struggle bus lol

[hidden arrow]

Yeah sadly were without ooc for prepatch

[zinc fiber]

i had no idea

i was assuming we need OOC for any build idk why

[floral night]

as long as you specify that you're talking OOC people won't cry foul wherever you're RPing @zinc fiber

[zinc fiber]

it's actually power gaming to prevent my character breaking the 4th wall when I specifically wrote it into his backstory and had it approved

[halcyon kettle]

Guys Im having a issue here. it says online that the brutal staff is bis but ingame its missing the strength stats but when i look it up at wowhead it says with strength and stam

From the looks of it the mace is bis cause it actually has strength

Am i missing something?

[noble forge]

where does it say that its bis for wotlk prepatch?

cause if so that is wrong yes

[halcyon kettle]

From the honor gear

[noble forge]

also quite sure staff should not have strength, im interested got the link for it?

[halcyon kettle]

Not sunwell andie

[noble forge]

yes got a link for that guide aswell?

[tacit sedge]

Show where you read it

[noble forge]

thats what I meant

cause I suspect

that it wasnt prepatch

and they talked about tbc

[zinc fiber]

is there any way to get power back for cat abilities? does the wolf head helm still work?

[halcyon kettle]

https://www.icy-veins.com/tbc-classic/feral-druid-dps-pve-gear-best-in-slot

They literally have the wrong tooltip

[noble forge]

fair enough, but this is phase 5/tier 6

[halcyon kettle]

Anyways

the mace is bis then i suppose

[noble forge]

this also may have been

the right tooltip

it probably was

[halcyon kettle]

weird thing to change

[tacit sedge]

When did druids lose 2 AP to strength ratio

[noble forge]

dont think ever

[tacit sedge]

They just stopped giving us strength?

[noble forge]

or well

as long as strength worked

for every class

[halcyon kettle]

we're picking the mace version then on this patch?

[noble forge]

loads of stuff got redistributed for example feral attack power isnt a unique stat anymore

and just every weapon has it

[noble forge]

sure

[zinc fiber]

when I dont have power to mangle do I just sit there auto attacking?

[noble forge]

yes

[zinc fiber]

also should I be casting faerie fire or nah

[noble forge]

yes

[zinc fiber]

nice

[noble forge]

as you said you would have downtime anyway

so why wouldnt you

[zinc fiber]

well I cast it at the start rigjt

[noble forge]

depends

if you open from stealth or not

[zinc fiber]

I've been trying to

doing the prowl pounce shred

[noble forge]

doubt thats more dmg compared to ravage mangle

[zinc fiber]

kk I try ravage mangle

thought I had the right one I'm old

KK SWEET

ok this is way better

why is mangle so op the fk

ty for the help

got lots of quests done

[empty basalt]

mangle will go down in power after we hit northrend...or at least it did back in the day

you will still use it but it won't be OP

claw is pretty much for domesticated kitties(resto/balance)

[zinc fiber]

ty!

[hidden arrow]

Who are better off wrath spamming and kitty is only when they're oom (and they're better off in bear at that point anyway) my thought is, if you're reduced to using claw, you probably should just hit dash and gtfo

[empty basalt]

well yeah thats why i said Domesticated...you know the type...only good for laying about

(no offence to the Resto's out there)

(pls continue to heal me)

[simple sun]

How is bear for raid tanking?

I was resto back on release but I'm tanking for my guild this time around

I dont remember much about bear bois

[hidden arrow]

We're great

[zinc fiber]

so feral is better than boomy leveling 64-70?

[hidden arrow]

Bear yes

Cat ehhhhhh

Twisting the two 👌

[calm lion]

What’s the outlook on omen of clarity in its current state? Will it be proccing off attacks as well as autos?

[frigid quest]

Yes

[zenith crest]

so its still bad to level as boomie?

[broken cypress]

Hey any classic guys around that can give me a feral pvp spec for classic? Checked usual places, wowhead etc, and they have a pve spec only...thinking I need at least Feral Instiinct which isnt on there ofc for pve

this is for wotlk pre patch

[empty basalt]

not realy? depends on how you want to level. Dungeons boomy is hands down better...but open world? Feral is better due to sustain

[winged wedge]

anyone recruiting a druid tank for their classic guild?

[crimson vault]

What causes me to sometimes earn 2 combo points on feral dps?

[sudden spire]

boomy has insane aoe, that was what i noticed when i tanked tbc dungeons as prot pala, better than lock and mage on these levels

[crimson vault]

Oh thx!

[sacred roost]

i'm a feral druid that's early 20's. i hgot a str 2h mace that does more dmg than what i have. does that matter

[empty basalt]

no

weapons are just stat sticks

[indigo lichen]

sup guys, so lets say I wanna play feral to level but I'm mainly a healer so I'd like to heal some dungeons on my way to 70. I know feral can heal as, well, feral lol (I really don't want to tank, never have), but do I need to spec into anything on the resto tree? Or are my baseline heals enough for leveling dungeons

[empty basalt]

honestly? yes...you may struggle a little with mana but as long as you have some Int Gear to make your pool big enough to last the fight then yeah your good to go as heals in feral...as a plus when your mana is low just shift into cat and help speed things up or go bear and off tank

remember that it's DPS's responsibility to NOT GET HURT. and letting a stupid tank die and doing it your self is a viable strat

[indigo lichen]

LOL sick, yea I know I gotta stock up on some int gear first, ty tho I'll be sure to brings lots of drinks and whatnot

[noble forge]

It's also your responsibility to heal people, using mana to shift and you not being able to heal cause if it is your fault and letting your tank intentionally die is almost never correct.

[noble forge]

As long as you have gear for healing you will be fine especially with the new wotlk talents for everyone but even during classic or tbc you could heal most stuff while being feral

[cold moth]

It only starts being a real issue around 50’s onward, when tanks start being able to live pulling big

[crimson vault]

Are ferals going to have to pvp in wrath for anything important? Not a fan of it

[simple sun]

What prof are y'all going? I just need to make easy gold, for cold flying etc

[noble forge]

dont think so

obviously always an advantage getting the 2.2 weapon

[empty basalt]

there is good feral gear in wrath...i didn't pvp on my druid till mid pandaland

[crimson vault]

What major abilities are Cats missing rn? Im done jack for dps in dungeons event get declined from a few for being cat

[noble forge]

swipe

[cold moth]

Yea swipe is lvl 71

[indigo fog]

is there a weakaura clear casting proc graphic?

i can use for Wotlk?

[noble forge]

very sure there is yes

im sure can find that on wago very simple weakaura

[steel remnant]

gang

ez trinket

Ent do you know when regrowth was castable in cat form when that started? procing greatness sounds so much easier with freegrowths

[empty basalt]

mostly Swipe

[crimson vault]

Someone was telling me around lvl 74 or something you get a 30% damage buff? I couldnt find any info on that

[steel remnant]

Savage roar

main goal for rotation after that is keep SR up keep rip up and with free cp bite

we're bad in prepatch cuz we're tuned around having Savage roar and we're missing like 10% in crit and other stats from resto talents iirc

[noble forge]

No but trinkets in wrath have icds

So casting more doesn't procc it faster

[steel remnant]

Hm ok

Been looking at gearing in p1 for a good portion tn I got a p1 bis set and a 2nd bis set lmao

[noble forge]

Also gl with greatness

[steel remnant]

is it dogshit to get? how bad are dmf cards to get

[noble forge]

Depends on server I expect around 100k gold initially

[steel remnant]

jesus fuck

[noble forge]

Dropping to probably 10-20k

[steel remnant]

i mean im 2nd for grim toll so

[noble forge]

After quite a while

In actual wrath it was around 10-20k I believe and now ppl have way more gold and know how insane that trinket will be for a long timd

[steel remnant]

honestly might be better to just use sapph ap trinket

and farm the cards for greatness

[noble forge]

farming cards wont reduce price drastically and id hope that the guild wouldnt give you both grimtoll and saph trinket

at least early

[steel remnant]

im not on bandit but i am 2nd for GT the pvp trinkets not that bad either

[noble forge]

yea there are for sure options, however obviously nothing comes close to greatness in either this tier or ulduar

[steel remnant]

is the t7 2pc pure QoL? or does it have large dmg value i saw that im pretty low on prio for them

4s on rip kinda just sounds like a missed bite potential

[noble forge]

dunno

[hidden arrow]

If bite had potential

[steel remnant]

With the amount of crit and armour pen it’s 100% worth but it’s low in the priority list

Although keeping lacerate up and pooling with 5cp is prob the play

Save cp for when you get right back into cat

[noble forge]

I doubt that part

but maybe pretty sure bearweaving is mangles tho isnt it?

[steel remnant]

nah its lacerates

bear and cat mangles are the same iirc

[dim creek]

what can a geared druid do to gold farm in classic?

[hidden arrow]

Like, wrath classic or classic classic

[dim creek]

wrath classic prepatch

i have a feral and a balance set just kinda want to kill stuff and get money

[hidden arrow]

Geared, can probably solo dungeons

[steel remnant]

gold farms kinda hard honestly if u have time 1 good av win with honour is a 50g gem

[dim creek]

wait theres a 50g gem honor vendor?

[steel remnant]

im alliance but in the SW pvp vendor area across is a human who sells gems for like 1400 honour

they sell on Grob A for about 45-50g each

but if u also have mining and herb leveled up people are leveling profs

i made a bit of gold just selling the ores i didnt use or the bars i didnt use

[dim creek]

ty!

[hidden arrow]

I was making 50g a shot offa mithril shield spikes when prepatch hit, but that's died down a bit

[steel remnant]

best bet for easy gold is just farming ores and herbs

[hidden arrow]

Ores especially since jc eng is bis for so many

[steel remnant]

its quite expensive to level engi lol

[hidden arrow]

Yeah 400iq folks grind up engineering and mining and just hold enough ore to cap jc after

[shy lake]

Farm mats. Make leveling kits. Sell to people who come back as WotLK closes since they’ll want to swap to engi or Jc

[west mantle]

hey if i want to play feral in wotlk for pvp what professions should i take? does it even matter ?

[steel remnant]

for pvp? engi for sure

JC if u want some added stats or LW for giga stam iirc but either work engi is a must have

[west mantle]

heard the engi stuff doesnt work in arena though

and here i am thinking skinning might be good for more crit xD

[steel remnant]

Hm yeah I actually don’t know I feel like professions don’t make that much of an impact there

[west mantle]

oh fair enough, thanks 😄

[thorn steeple]

Anyone have a good guide/table for ideal gear drops to aim for while leveling feral on the fresh realms?

[noble forge]

JC engi, glove enchants work

Could maybe see bs instead of engi

[zinc fiber]

does that's wolfshead helmet still work lvling in classic? if so I'd go for it

[hidden arrow]

It's nerfed in wotlk, power shifting relied on a talent+ helm

In classic though yeah it's great

[noble forge]

Personally don't think it was amazing in classic or tbc for leveling either, was a nice bonus but nowhere near as powerful as for raiding due to mana

[hidden arrow]

Oh yeah for leveling you're going to be bear most of the time

Just because cat damage is why the giant pandas won't screw

[zinc fiber]

ah I see

I am leveling I'm 65 now on my druid

pretty proud of myself tbh lol, havent gamed like this in years

gaming used to be my life then I stopped but imma start again

[midnight monolith]

If anyone is trying to honor farm in Classic WLK, this guide shows how to optimize your time to get the most out of your time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8_yJDAk_hs

[thick pawn]

hello guys, i was planning on going for tailoring and engineering for wotlk because i want to get as much mounts as possible.

however i just realized that both of them have a cloak enchantment

so i just wanted to ask the question how troll it would be from a min-max perspective to still have both professions since im planing to raid in a progress guild who wants to get realm firsts later in wotlk

[cold moth]

If you’re wanting like realm first clears then probably engi/jc or engi/enchanting

[thick pawn]

is there any way to see the dps loss i would have?

[noble forge]

engi doesnt really have cloak enchant

you are fine

the real engi enchant is gloves + boots to some extend

[thick pawn]

it does have the slowfall wich can have spell power with it

[noble forge]

yes im aware

[thick pawn]

i will definetly try it with tailoring if so

[noble forge]

its 27 SP vs 23 haste, which probably depends on your current gear to begin with

is tailoring a dps loss? yes on average very likely is it some massive thing? no

[thick pawn]

i mean i could get the engi enchant + a full bonus of another profession instead

[noble forge]

?

[thick pawn]

with tailoring i would just let 1 thing pass and not utilize it

[noble forge]

to quote myself its 27 SP vs 23 haste, which probably depends on your current gear to begin with

I dont think engineering cloak enchant even is a dps increase in every situation

if we take feral for example cloak enchant is literally 1 agi

more

compared to normal one

[thick pawn]

i mean the gear is probably gonna change before i get into naxx so i cant tell

rn im just mh/bt geared

[noble forge]

the relevant parts of engi are the glove enchant, nitro boots and saronite bombs

[steel remnant]

if you're going by that sp enchant ur best bet is jc

with the gems giving more stats and they are interchangeable

[hidden arrow]

The minmaxing on professions drives me batty, do these people literally think a 5 DPS gap from ts is going to be the difference in getting realm first more than just being a sweaty neckbeard

[zinc fiber]

these players are cutting edge and need every bit of confidence and transmog they can muster

listen hear

[shy lake]

Every little thing adds up. But for the most part, it won’t impact people much because they neglect other larger factors like practicing rotation, CD timing and consumable usage

In general, engineering is really the only impactful choice that has ever been in the game. Rare exceptions for crafting professions that let you adjust your loot prio to get other things sooner

An entire raid using sappers is big

[raw salmon]

Are any of the dark moon decks decent for feral? Tbc and wrath versions?

[noble forge]

greatness is absurd

[raw salmon]

Is that a wrath one?

[noble forge]

yes

[raw salmon]

Leveling insc right now and I need a trinket so is there any tbc ones worth?

[pseudo onyx]

I just dinged 70 earlier today and did the prepatch scourge invasion event for some epic gear, but I'm wondering: is there an easy/quick way to pick up a new weapon or some trinkets that don't require me to find raid pugs or grind pvp? Would like to pick up some ez upgrades before wotlk levelling starts

[hidden arrow]

Auction hall your way to exalted with cenarion for bear hammer

Besides that, nope it's pvp or raiding

Or grind 150ish badges for the justice weapons

[steel remnant]

not really if u can get badges brooch is your best bet

41 badges

[shy lake]

Badge weapon and badge trinkets

Badge everything really

[pseudo onyx]

Noted

[steel remnant]

honour weapon badge trinkets

farm brutal gear

[empty basalt]

whats better single target at lower levels: Swipe or Maul?

because i feel rage starved when i maul

[hidden arrow]

Because maul replaced your rage generating whitevswing

[hidden arrow]

What level and how close to death do you get

[empty basalt]

38 and no where near death

[hidden arrow]

Pull more get glyph of maul

[empty basalt]

there is no more...

[hidden arrow]

If you're out of rage you need to pull bigger

Well

[empty basalt]

this is single target fights

[hidden arrow]

In that case it's sad swipe face

Like swinging a foam bat

It gets better soon

[ripe topaz]

heyy guys ! is there any feral pvp guide ?

[empty basalt]

yes: Mangle

[trail prairie]

For balance should I get the brutal staff or spell blade?

[noble forge]

can also just wait for wrath

if you want a weapon right now and just dinged 70, by FAR the best thing available is the pvp one

and its not close

[pseudo onyx]

I see I see

Might as well sort out professions and get my hands on some more gold then

[hidden arrow]

This, keep in mind unless you're going to be doing some goofy type dungeon going wotlk quest content is basically scaled for level 68 greens

[elfin kindle]

Do you just get swfit flight form for free via a quest chain ?

[steel remnant]

yes but u need rep with the lower city honoured and u need to buy epic flying

[cold moth]

And be 71? Or is that a no, at the trainer that’s what it has listed

[steel remnant]

nah

you can get swift form now

honor hold and thrallmar

can teach you epic flying at 70

[shy lake]

idk if it changed with wrath, but it required you to have epic flying to start the quest in TBC

[steel remnant]

you still need epic flying

[noble forge]

if you dont want to do the quest

yes

[steel remnant]

wait im lost

[cold moth]

Oh gotcha

[cold moth]

If you go talk to Druid trainer it lists flight form at 71. But apparently that’s just to skip a questline

[steel remnant]

ohh

i see

[raw salmon]

I’ve heard people say mangle over shred and the opposite for pvp does anyone have a better explanation of one vs the other?

[sacred roost]

is there a macro that will change my action bar from ravage to shred when i enter or leave stealth?

[steel remnant]

mangle if u cant be behind the enemy if ur talkign about leveling pounce > Shred > mangle > rip or bite

in raid u only wanna keep mangle debuff active and shred

and for pvp ur never behind an enemy outside of your opener so back to the leveling statement

[raw salmon]

@steel remnant thanks

[steel remnant]

sorry also in raid if u cant shred mangle takes over @raw salmon i didnt mention that

[pseudo onyx]

There's ways to shred in PvP but it requires very specific movement that allows you to, only attempt after looking into it

[noble forge]

What that's just false

You can usually shred in pvp

By getting behind

[steel remnant]

There’s no shot in a 1v1 you can shred most of the time

[noble forge]

You can

[steel remnant]

Hm I must be missing tech

[noble forge]

Unless the other guy walks back to a pillar that would get a bit tricky but usually still possible

[steel remnant]

Hm I’ll have to look into that I couldn’t really shred in the 1v1s when farming honour

[hidden arrow]

Hitboxes are funny things in PVP, if your running through your target and flipping your character while spamming shred it'll go off a lot.

[shy lake]

You literally just run through the hit box and whip your camera if you have to. It’s the easiest thing

[empty basalt]

so what would you all say the feral leveling rotation is pre50? just Claw and FB? or Pounce, Rake, Rip? and why?(just curious)

[warped lantern]

Are feral tanks any good early on in dungeons? I have a lvl 16 and questing is sooooo slow right now. I'm just wondering if doing dungeons as a tank will be faster

[hidden arrow]

You don't have a lot of buttons at 16, but generally you get groups as a tank fairly fast

[empty basalt]

not really? but then again tanks kinda all suck at that level

once you get swipe it gets a bit better...plus Bears are insanely good at soaking up damage...just not that great at maintaining threat when the mage or lock goes all out

[carmine path]

hey guys, do i NEED force of nature for a pve boomie?

also why do i see most other guides skipping past dreamstate?

[steel remnant]

at that level you could probably heal and find a prot pal

clear even faster

[hidden arrow]

Or a war big daddy revenge starts at 14

[steel remnant]

oh shit i forgot warrior is huge

watched asmon level with that it was crazy

[hidden arrow]

Just soloed the first half of brd at 57

On my little war

[steel remnant]

gyat

damn

[hidden arrow]

Well except for bael because fuck fire damage

[sharp garnet]

It's your highest damaging global on ST my friend

Do not skip it

[hidden arrow]

Those tree murder shit

[noble forge]

prot doesnt even have consecration at that lvl

pretty shitty

[steel remnant]

20

[noble forge]

yes

this was 16

[steel remnant]

hes like 4 levels off thats 2 dungeons

[noble forge]

however should also say

dungeons arent really faster

lvling is pretty damn quick right now

[cold moth]

Depends

Some zones yea, but for the most part dungeoning is faster

[noble forge]

assuming you dont have a full group to go

I doubt that

[cold moth]

Yea that’s true

I had a full guild group so bit biased I suppose lol

[hidden arrow]

Even speedrunning dungeons questing is approximately the same

Key is finding the densly packed quests with no travel time

[carmine path]

tyyy

[cold moth]

If you have a full group, dungeoning is Miles faster. There’s not enough grouped quests with little travel time to make up the walk in dungeon clear dungeon reset and back in

Now when you get to outlands, questing is probably faster yea

[dire sun]

Dungeons are largely overrated. I think people just don’t know how to quest efficiently. Or they get stuck a lot

[tropic harbor]

mangle -> rake
or
rake -> mangle

[dire sun]

Rake imo. Since the dot is still buffed

[remote oar]

Any advice on bear tanking at level 20? I feel squishy as hell 😦

[noble forge]

you are squishy as hell

pull carefully

[remote oar]

[empty basalt]

Enrage before the pull so you go in with extra rage with out the debuff, Swipe/Maul, Demoralize and then Swipe again as soon as you can...tell your DPS to hold back till they see the second swipe/maul on single target...Growl is ranged now so keep that in mind...and don't forget to maintain Demoralize, it adds up to a decent chunk of mitigation over the course of a pull.

also take SI...its a 3 min CD but will save your bacon in a pinch

ONE MORE THING: WoWhead has leveling guides for WotLK ferals

finaly

AND ONE MORE THING: carry healing Pots with you...we can use them while shapeshifted now.

ONE MORE THING: pre-HoT your self for that little extra Survivability/Threat at the beginning of the Pull

[noble forge]

expecting people to wait for like 5s before dpsing isnt happening

but also dps tanking some stuff is fine

[empty basalt]

oh i know...but if i tell them to wait and they don't? yeah that's not on me

[indigo fog]

how do i properly do damage in pvp as feral in Wotlk?

am i still putting rip/rake up

[noble forge]

if you have unreasonable expectations

yes it kinda is on you

like ofc dps which keep pulling when healer is oom and you wait for them, that obviously isnt on you but you giving up on trying to get threat cause the guy didnt wait for 2 of your casts that is on you/you going oom and needing to regen if you wanna cast heals for every pull that also is on you

[empty basalt]

oh i still try...but i don't accept blame for bad dps...DPS should know to handle their own threat(don't start AoE till tank has threat, save your big burst till tank safetly has threat, don't stand in avoidable shit, don't run around like a chicken with it's head cut off if you get aggro...that kinda thing.)

[noble forge]

IF the dps would blame you for threat assuming you taunt on cd sure

havent made that experience while lvling recently at all tho

especially with how easy low lvl dungeons are now with wrath talents

[safe trout]

Why is there a good amount of talk about brutal staff or brutal mace for feral

But not polearm

Is the polearm no good?

[empty basalt]

can druids learn polearm?

[safe trout]

Of course lol

[halcyon trail]

Think it's cos mace and staff give better/more stats than the polearm

[tacit sedge]

Druids don't learn polearm until cata iirc

[noble forge]

no they learn it in wrath

[tacit sedge]

Damn I'm slipping

[noble forge]

but didnt before wrath

[gritty blaze]

in wotlk pvp what are the best professions for resto

[gritty blaze]

can I learn it already in prepatch?

[noble forge]

yes

[gritty blaze]

at what lvl can I learn flying form? 68?

[noble forge]

60?

I think

[gritty blaze]

maybe it behind the quest?

[noble forge]

nope

you just need 225 riding

[gritty blaze]

oh so first i learn riding and then trainer will have it

[noble forge]

yes

[gritty blaze]

damn i was confused

[noble forge]

(obviously this is about the 150% flying form)

the 280 you need 71 or do the quest with the 300 flying

[limber tinsel]

just here to say that feral in classic somehow feels better than feral in shadowlands

[candid junco]

Hello. Returning player that skipped tbc thinking of switching main to druid from priest, both at 60 right now. I usually avoid too much research, however...
If I go feral to check out tanking, would it get crazy to change track to resto?
My thoughts are that perhaps some reputation / quest rewards will get skipped, but I am unaware of details as I mained a rogue in wotlk08.

[noble forge]

not sure what you mean, reputations arent unique

and its not classic so quest rewards arent absurd

[candid junco]

being unaware, I left it open if there were unique reputation rewards unknown to me

[empty basalt]

that's because this is just the start of blizz making our damage tied to our DoTs more than our actions.

[shy lake]

I think the only thing that matters for resto is a TBC quest relic?

[empty basalt]

just dinged 50 and can i say...Mangle feels so GOOD

[gritty blaze]

Is flight form maximum 150%?

Ok so it is 150% and then 280% for 5k? No inbetween?

[cold moth]

Ye

That’s all flying

[noble forge]

isnt that also how it still works on retail?

[rough rapids]

Whats the most OP leveling spec to quickly get a druid to 70?

[zinc fiber]

I think feral

[steel lion]

Dinged 70 with my Drood just recently. Been downranking in TBC but how relevant is downranking spells in pre-patch and in WotLK? Still a thing? What spells would it concern?

[noble forge]

Never

[empty basalt]

no one spec rules at this time, Boomy is good at the early levels before you start getting the more juicy Feral abilities and then switch to Feral around 32ish, at 50 you get Mangle which will make you feel like a god til around 65 and after that Feral and Boomy are kinda neck and neck for leveling speed...i know that in OG Wrath a well played Boomy was ungodly at leveling...pull whole zones and wipe em out for some of the fastest leveling in WoW

[gritty blaze]

Is cat form have no aoe in wotlk?

On ptr I maxed riding and druid trainer still doesnt offer me 280 flyform. Is it behind quest?

Trainer is in mulgore

[noble forge]

quest or lvl 71

cat form has aoe in wotlk

swipe

[gritty blaze]

oh gotcha

[empty basalt]

to clarify Swipe(Cat) is not available till 71

if you want to AOE at this time its bear form or Hurricane

[pale niche]

was feral good back in LK guys? I started playing it in MoP

[hidden arrow]

Yes it's fine

[shy lake]

Feral DPS was very solid

Good damage. A fine tank. Even if you’re not wanting to tank much, being willing to tank the 10mans for your 25man guild will help secure spots

[hybrid lintel]

Has blizz mentioned when transfers will be allowed to the fresh servers?

I read somewhere there is a 90 day restriction, that's it?

[obsidian sinew]

they've said atleast 90 days but it's not a set amount of time and they're willing to push that back etc so it's really just up to them whenever they feel like it

[empty basalt]

I wish there was a Glyph of Ferocious Bite...that would make it so that it DIDN'T use extra energy to do extra Damage...

[hidden arrow]

The dream

Legitimately stupid that feral had to not use it's finisher if they have more than 40

[empty basalt]

to be fair we are SUPPOSED to be using Rip over FB...it's just that with the suggested talents Rip is overkill

[hidden arrow]

Right but during bers

[empty basalt]

it's to the point where i just use a mangle to finish off a opponent even at 5 CP

it's more energy efficient

[shy lake]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-angry-cat-bite-gif-12955538

[tough gale]

hey guys! i hit level 68 today and heard we can get our swift flight forms at that level, is that true? and if so how do i obtain it? I dont see it available for the trainer like the first 150% speed form was

[shy lake]

You need epic flying mount training

Then it is a quest chain

[tough gale]

ahhh okay, thank you!

oh yeah there's no way im getting that anytime soon, that's a lot of gold haha

[noble forge]

pretty sure that also was never true

before prepatch 68 was the time you could get normal flying as a druid

[tough gale]

oh i know that much, but someone said i had to be 68 to get the swift form

[noble forge]

nah its 70

for quest

and 71 for without quest

(both need max flying)

[tough gale]

ohhh okay, so i still need the 4k gold p much

i didnt play in BC i just came back on a new toon so i dont have much gold haha, gonna have to figure out a way to make more

[hidden arrow]

Clear all the quests in outland puts you around 5k

[tough gale]

should i at least get to level 70 beforehand?

[hidden arrow]

Oh, you should be fine to level as well

It's the exalted with stormwind that'll take time to save that 1k

[noble forge]

why would you want exalted with stormwind

or do those trainers also have flying available

[hidden arrow]

The trainer in honor hold is on SW faction

The one in smv is on no faction and won't give a discount

Flip side, orgrimmar and thrallmar

[noble forge]

hu interesting yea

[hidden arrow]

Idk if they are still elites but the mobs in Eastern plague Land tyrs hand were amazing for cash and rune cloth

[noble forge]

just checked the wowhead

[hidden arrow]

To grind out the faction

[noble forge]

would prolly be better to farm gold other way and buy runecloth if you wanna have that

but yea does look like you need OG/SW rep

[hidden arrow]

I did 10k in a day there but that was before bandages got nerfed

[noble forge]

10k gold?

[hidden arrow]

Since each mob would drop 5-6 cloth each

Yeah, they're all 58 elites that dropped 30 - 50s each lots of greens and grey's with cloth

But from what I can tell, the classic realm have neutered drops in place

[noble forge]

well thats like 50 ish stacks

thats not that many

[hidden arrow]

I'm talking back in 2007 to get my original epic flight heh sorry.

[noble forge]

thats with current runecloth prices about 100g

[hidden arrow]

Yeah probably faster to just grind a dungeon or 2 now

[noble forge]

yea did a bunch of dumb farms back in the day too

[crimson vault]

Does phase 4 tbc get easier during wrath pre raid? I was looking over pre raid bis and its telling you to have gear from swp and bt. I just hit 70 not to long ago so all this is unachievable for me right now

[noble forge]

just dont get full pre raid bis?

absolutely no reason to try to do that

[crimson vault]

Yeah ik

Id like to at least be able to survive while lvling

[noble forge]

you will be fine

[crimson vault]

👍

[shy lake]

You can level and dungeon in WotLK just fine starting with TBC questing gear.

[cold moth]

Yea as long as you’re in some blues, maybe get the 2-4 free purples from scourge event you’ll be just fine for wotlk

[gritty blaze]

After which time after you casted mana starts to regen?

[noble forge]

5s as in the spirit based without talents

[gritty blaze]

Do you happen to know how long is the aftercast delay after which autoattack can go off? Is it depends on weapon speed?

[noble forge]

pretty sure cast just resets swing timer

[gritty blaze]

seems like that

[meager shale]

trying to decide between druid and warrior tank for wrath, does swipe scale a lot harder than it currently does? I picked up my t4/za geared bear and swipe...just doesnt seem to hit that hard or do enough threat, I have the 30% inc dmg talent. Is there something else I may be missing?

warrior aoe threat seems good/fun but i seem to have a lot of struggles on the same content as a bear

[hidden arrow]

Nope sadly swipe stays pretty meh, it'll hold aggro but you won't be bursting hard with it

Warriors are crazy good right now but yeah bur is a brick,

[empty basalt]

Bear tanks are not known for their Threat but more for the ability to survive...what would kill a War a Bear asks "was that a Fly?"

[hidden arrow]

I'm literally soloing level appropriate dungeon trash onmy war in greens while my druid in t5 is having a hard time with normal sethekk

[hidden arrow]

In wotlk warriors are scary durable, bears are too, but the damage gap is real

[steel remnant]

lookin cute

dpsing cuter

[noble forge]

https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/news/loot-changes-and-heroic-plus-dungeons-coming-in-wrath-classic-328956?webhook

interesting

[empty basalt]

a not so subtle reminder that this isn't WotLK Reduxe but instead WotLK CLASSIC...not everything is gonna be the same as it was back then

[noble forge]

obviously

it cant be

[west mantle]

hey as a feral in wotlk you want a weapon with high dmg and low weapon speed right? since weapon speed doesnt matter as a feral