na prob shit sym
#pvp
stray sigil
or draught
idk
@lime light btw
ppl play mika on kyrian ww cuz of cd reduc on cov ability
its actually pretty noticable
viscid remnant
true true
safe heart
na prob shit sym
I gotta remake sym cuz tier
lime light
once u get 4 set
safe heart
Fug
lime light
if the enemy team pure tunnels me
the gear is like
double tapping on me
or even tripple
more healing
more damage
more hp
my feral gear
is soo terrible
not a single mastery item
viscid remnant
viscid remnant
finally a warr that does dmg
lime light
dont rly wanna play ww
u get foked by most of the comps
cant rly play
if i was 2s player
sure
lime light
the problem is
viscid remnant
Ok feji
lime light
to have fun in this game
viscid remnant
Relax
viscid remnant
Real
stray sigil
i only like the crit lego cuz of the dash
stray sigil
na ik how to use keefers
im saying playing without keefers
feels weird
cuz the dash
clear pulsar
I believe in what feji is saying here
viscid remnant
true
agile gale
feral night fea pvp good yea?
fair mirage
I haven't seen a nf feral in 3s in so long.
lime light
cuz all u see is jungle
and unhealable pve damgur if they were good enough
to get a 4 set
fair mirage
Yeah, featuring Necro Feral which everybody kept saying was going to be bad because of the leggo.
that was always a good read
lime light
dont think so anyone said
necro feral was supposed to be bad
but the legednary
was
and it is
but some of the other classes have even worst legos
tfu
sets
or dont even use them
feral set is broken and op
vs not everything
and if u add for it PI and NF from priest
fair mirage
It is quite solid.
viscid remnant
what class has worse 2nd lego than feral
fair mirage
Venth Priest is pretty useless.
lime light
mage
viscid remnant
maybe fire for frost its good
plucky basin
agile gale
so play necro feral?
mossy pebble
so play necro feral?
Do you like it?
mellow turret
how to make macro to shapeshift to moonkin form without going back to human form if pressed again
agile gale
im pretty new too feral and just return to game so i jus wanna play the best š
desert jetty
how to make macro to shapeshift to moonkin form without going back to human form...
try /cast !Bear Form
adding the ! makes it so that it turns on but can't turn off with the same button. I use it for stealth all the time.
safe heart
I like kyrian chomps and it's not prone to being blue balled by Kevin
lime light
Powershift macros doesnt work
Since legion or wod
U cant leave and re'enter same form
In one gcd
Only with Tiger fury
Dash
And berserker
I would assume that u can also do it with boomins incarn
Or we its called
twilit siren
ya, and pulsar proc
mossy pebble
Yall play kevin?
viscid remnant
ye
mossy pebble
Pustules on opener feels good
viscid remnant
ive never ever used any necro tree other than the one with kevin
mossy pebble
Check emeni
mossy pebble
Well
They play like you have it xd
When in doubt every necro has ulti form
Pustules stacks damage tho
untold notch
%6 dmg on swarm is nuts also prevents restealths
mossy pebble
%6 dmg on swarm is nuts also prevents restealths
5% agil + 2% per ally affected on emeni
- i play mooncat so I already prevent restealth
clear pulsar
5% agil + 2% per ally affected on emeni
This is garbage for druid
It's lasts 4s, 25-30% of this duration is eaten up by the swarm gcd itself
You cant take advantage of this window nearly as well as if it was a 10s duration on 1 min cd, despite having the same % uptime technically
While the kevin debuff lasts longer so you waste less of its uptime
The range for searching allies is also like 8yd
So most likely it'll just be 5% agi
Which is strictly worse than 6% dmg
untold notch
Also baiting kicks with flesh craft is huge imo
clear pulsar
Another good point, if people kick your fleshcraft you get 1 or 2 p ustule stacks
Not9
viscid remnant
F2f with the math again
lime light
5km jogging and i cant breath
my god
blizzards tooltips btw
they change something but never change a tootlip
unborn anchor
how do you guys counter frostmage/sub rogue in 2s? frost mage just pumps me while im in a stun
lime light
pump back
frost sub isnt as good as sub
cuz u need to ramp your dmg
and they have to cast to actually deal damage
anyway its 1 button but still
can be stopped by kicks on frost school
if they play aids trinket
just try to cc them
even with a root
that will last 10 sec
and then dip behind a pillar
also it could help, who and what u are in arena
unborn anchor
I am a feral, but theyre indeed playing aids trinket
so dont want to cc, cause then its unkickable
lime light
u wait like a good boy for vault
and then buy the thing u did not get
and if u dont get either u spend all your conquest on a weapon
woven dove
no fuck that
im too impatient
all u guys here moaning just remeber im only here cause sp is dog shit nwo xD
clear pulsar
livid oracle
if they play aids trinket
Which trinket is the aids trinket?
fair mirage
presumably echoing resolve
stone breach
the one that immunes every other CC is usually the one that means
fair mirage
the one where you stun the mage, he blinks out and is now immune to the next cc/kick
because mages have had a hard time in shadowlands
grand mesa
Maybe Iām pve monkey but that trinket has me thinking way too much about how to play around it sometimes Iād rather just lose instead
woven dove
whats bis feral 3s comps
viscid remnant
jungle
forest kite
i like jungle, but yea there not really a ton of options
viscid remnant
2.1 last ssn was ez + last ssn warr and feral werent nerfed
so not a good point there
safe heart
Yeah feels like it's jungle only atm
safe heart
Big damgur no doubt
viscid remnant
ye
rare willow
arms got nerfed and kyrian empower got nerfed so kitty cleave from 9.1 to 9.2 is much weaker.
i think theres room for ebola cleave dk/feral to make a show. i was goofing around with it and a RL friend... had a really solid win rate but mmr was only like 2k. it actually felt surprisingly good into other cleavees too. Feral 4pc + Abomb limb was actually out cleaving most of the other cleaves
viscid remnant
i think fury with 4set sounds better but could work
rare willow
maybe. im not sure what the 4set fury does. but i def wont rule it out
viscid remnant
it randomly procs reck
and u can proc it a lot
u just pve ppl down while having 40% mortal onthem if u have good uptime
wise vessel
for feral as it stands is necro or NF stronger overall?
fair mirage
Still in unexplored territory. NF requires certain comp/playstyle, but Necro is good at what it was good at last season
rare willow
i think necro is overrall stronger... NF is stronger in certain niches
fair mirage
like necro kitter with warrior or obviously hunter is gonna be a good time
desert jetty
is trash ever worth using in pvp? (cat form as feral)
rare willow
thrash?
yeah
its good bleed to put on rogues, good way to get bloodtalon buff, and juice the Taste for Blood conduit
safe heart
arms got nerfed and kyrian empower got nerfed so kitty cleave from 9.1 to 9.2 is...
I desperately want to try ebola hahah
It's always sounded really fun
But I've never played a single game with a DK so I don't know any
rare willow
i think you need 4pc with it. the cleave damage you get out is just unreal. you can feral frenzy the main target, and have Sickle rolling on the rest... its massive pressure
- all the dk stuff going out. UH dk felt stronger than Frost dk w/ it though
safe heart
Yeah I'll have my 4pc tomorrow hundo P
I'm 3/4 rn and kinda itching to play not jungle lol
haughty compass
Does catalyst just reset each week?
fair mirage
No, you get another charge each week.
So If I go and setup another char in 3 weeks then I'll be able to craft all 4 tier pieces in one go, provided I have the conquest version and enough flux.
safe heart
Wait it stacks ?
fair mirage
Basically just Blizz making the first two months super aids.
safe heart
Hwatttttt
fair mirage
Yes. No rush to use charges.
fair mirage
If you have 0pc now you wait until week 2 aka tomorrow
safe heart
Well that means my alt ferals aren't screwed then
Yeah my 3rd and 4th ferals are seriously behind because I hate horde lol
Would be nice to catch them both up
safe heart
Is 9.2.5 gunna be a new season
stray sigil
when is 9.2.5
safe heart
I'm seriously not excited for the arena where you can change shit
viscid remnant
Any sadgers
livid wasp
A switch located at the center of the Arena can be used to create cover for yourself and your alliesāor deny it from your opponents. Clever strategists will control and dictate the flow of battle; those who cannot adapt will surely be defeated.
dafuq
stone breach
arena leaks?
stray sigil
I'm seriously *not* excited for the arena where you can change shit
u wat
safe heart
I heard the new arena has like movable pillars and shit
livid wasp
theres already so many balancing issues, some classes are gonna benefit from that so much more than others
but guess its cool they try new stuff
safe heart
Honestly fuck that
I hate the idea of it
I feel like arena should be just straight up fight
No bulllshit
Like I already think blades edge and mujumbalya are bullshit
stone breach
blades edge and mugambala are bullshit except when I'm playing as or with a warlock, then it's fair and balanced
livid wasp
there used to be ring of valor with pillars that came up and down randomly
fair mirage
A switch located at the center of the Arena can be used to create cover for your...
You press a button (stand on it?) and it swaps pillar configuration.
I think it cycles through 3 pillars and varying thicknesses, like you'll have bastion size pillars then ones that are much bigger.
Might be fine as long as wizards can't stand in the middle and turn the pillars off entirely.
rare willow
oh nice. comp stomp is back this week!?
livid wasp
last BG they added in the game was in mop wasnt it rofl
rare willow
yeah that new map sounds awful. sounds like an even worse vesion of Ring of Valor
nah they added the azerite one that everyone hates
rare willow
mop was twin peak / battle for gilneas though
tropic schooner
^
gorge was reworked though could argue thats a new bg
was that legion or bfa
cant remember
rare willow
oooh righ right right
livid wasp
old one was better, new one is just a worse AB
tropic schooner
personally I think I also prefer the azerite one over like AB
rare willow
yeah for sure. old deepwind gorge was fun
rare willow
i liked them. flag carrier, rogue harass.. 3 bases
safe heart
Seething shore is terrible
tropic schooner
I like it as an odd one
wouldnt like it every game
but every so often its solid stuff
same with kotmogu
the mine one
I dont like tho
stone breach
I love the azerite map in RBGs
stone breach
I like azerite map more than CTF and the Panda flavored Arathi Basin at least
tropic schooner
in high lvl rbgs that does sound bad yea
luckily I was never there
but when I was playing a bit higher I learned to hate AB
and that ones just a lot worse
rare willow
i did really high rbgs in mop but cant handle it now. if im above 1500 in rbgs something is very very wrong in my life.
theyre good for capping vault or earning honor but like. the lower mmr the better lmfao
safe heart
I need 1800 in rbgs for legacy mogs
fair mirage
Play guardian to find groups instantly. You'll also win a lot by virtue of simply being a human because most guardian players fucking aren't.
safe heart
Yeah I made a 190 sleeper just to get in haha
They're so boring tho
And most ppl are apes and like they'll let 7ppl dog pile me while they can't 7v2 the efc
livid wasp
RBGs were so fun in cata/mop, being in an rbg guild and doing them like raids
really want that back but meh
safe heart
I like classic rbgs when you could do all the jumps around the base
Felt like a much higher skill cap
livid wasp
you mean the charge up in wsg?
safe heart
No like in actual classic or the classic servers atlesst, you can parkour all over the place to avoid ppl
So like you can run loops around the entrance to the tunnel by clipping in at certain angles
livid wasp
not heard of that before
safe heart
livid wasp
I just know those DHs who went up to impossible places with the flag and blizz did nothing to fix that shit for ages
oh yeah, think AB had that too on the LM roof or something
safe heart
So if you were a flag carrier, you had to be good at these jumps to help juke the O team
If you were really smooth you could solo live vs like 6 ppl because they just straight up can't connect to you
livid wasp
kek they added 0 clip protection back then
rare willow
I just know those DHs who went up to impossible places with the flag and blizz d...
i played in mop when you had like Kaska or datahcus teams flyhacking or glitching under the map or into pillars with flags or orbs. litearlly making their FC's untarggetable.
rare willow
yep that was a thing too
every warlock was affliction and their bots maintained a perfect 100% uptime on dots
rbgs -_-
desert jetty
idk what to do against hunters and also rogue mage in 2's its brutal. I'm feral btw, any tips on the opener lemme know plz lol
north grove
guys
terse slate
tiny oar
Glyph with the swiftness, legendary
echo echo
unbias opinion if possible, what is better for pvp Balance or Feral
viscid remnant
it depends i would say
for rbg balance for arena feral
but ofc u can play both in both
just play whatever u enjoy because it matters first
obtuse bramble
David has the truth of that.
tropic schooner
So if you were a flag carrier, you had to be good at these jumps to help juke th...
Very fun experience with 2 good teams
And shit like free action pots
And no damage intake debuff
tropic schooner
wasnt there some people capping flags in AB before the bg even started
Yes really popular during mop
Same with cheating monks
tiny oar
Hello my dear comrade davider
queen drift
Hey guys, I'm considering giving a try to boomie in arena
Is it a big problem if I'm not full haste?
thinking about the kyrian build
grand mesa
Trueeeee
tiny oar
viscid remnant
viscid remnant
YO YO
WHAT WHAT
RISEN FROM THE ASHES
A TRUE HERO
HAS RETURNED
TO GRACE US
grand mesa
Still watch the 9.0 random one shot convoke clip from him once in a while. Cracks me up
viscid remnant
legendary hero of the game best hpal 6 rank1s in 1 season
ebon roost
How do you beat rogue mage in 2s? I have serious struggles. Playing rdruid fury at around 2k
burnt grove
rdruid 4pc worth the vers loss? considering just running helm and chest for the 2pc and rest glad gear
livid wasp
dragon druid?
viscid remnant
ok guys rerolling dragon my boll
and iam starting the new dragon class discord ur welcome
livid wasp
ofc wow wants the scalies
viscid remnant
the sketchy leak was real
safe heart
Dragon race ?
lime light
idk
imagine that
every expansion cinematic
was a badass
guy
that wanted your ass
this time, they were showing
how to fly
hmm
grand mesa
Rdruid gets kicks š¤
tiny oar
Fuck rdruid baby IMA DRAGON HEALER NEXT EXPAC
mellow turret
@tiny oar glad you are happy bro
livid wasp
new hero class, surely it wont be broken
grand mesa
Dragon canāt tank Iām staying druid
Dragons are meant to be tanked not tank I guess š¤·āāļø
livid wasp
fucking evokers so impossible to beat
tiny oar
tiny oar
<@237412116024393728> glad you are happy bro
Ty I will probably still main rdruid but alt the new spec for sure
š
safe heart
Dh mage combo
Can't go wrong
tiny oar
Love to see it
livid wasp
they will be
tiny oar
At least zechey is consistent and unbiased
grand mesa
Heās an equal opportunity complainer š
tiny oar
Yea hates everything that's not feral
livid wasp
dracthyr will have some racial where they can fly around the arena for 10 seconds
and cast spells in the air
livid wasp
I want bite into an ability we spam to stick into the target and do extra dmg
forest kite
So how do you kill this dragon in the arena as melee?
if it flys
livid wasp
I wonder if theyre gonna do special spells for other classes too like they will do that charging one for evoker
safe heart
I want clawbustion where I turn into fire cat and shoot off 6 pyroblasts for 10k each
sly marsh
@livid wasp they said they are
livid wasp
looks fun, hope russia wont nuke my country before it comes out 
junior plover
I can confirm this is a good expansion
safe heart
I always like dragon theme tbh
Sounds cool
I just hope that the covenant optiosn aren't meta
junior plover
They didn't say anything about any covenants
Seems like you just get to upgrade your mount as the progression system
Neat
junior plover
I hope nobody
For real
CBA saving the world every patch
Why can't we fucking save the dragon isles and chill
lime light
we dont save patch
i mean
we do not
i mean
PVERS
do not save world every patch
just expansion
there has to be
a real alpha foker
that wanna fuck
safe heart
Arena players watch the world burn from the starting room while pve'rs save the universe
A titan could destroy the planet and arena players won't know the difference because they're going against mld and getting hell fire and sleet in the face
haughty compass
Drakthyr main. Sorry boys
safe heart
I want dragon druid
mossy pebble
I thought pve was a minigame on this wonderful pvp game?
safe heart
Wicked Claws now stacks to 40
sly marsh
š
livid wasp
it was nice you could cast shit in cat form but it sucked you had to be that monstrosity
lime light
best looking chad
gleaming cradle
is anyone aware of what swiftmend will base the 'floral recycling' now with the 2pc for rdru in pvp? also have the verdant infusion leggo
like is this actually a healing nerf for us...?
hazy shale
viscid remnant
Not pog
twin sage
hi guys if i use king of the jungle talent does that mean i have to use prowl within the 30 seconds or is it more used as a vanish that u can decide urself when to prowl again
or is it more used as an extra cc within the 30 secs of berserk
livid wasp
you dont use king of the jungle
twin sage
no? is it bad in 2v2?
livid wasp
not seen anyone use it
livid wasp
oh yeah dunno if 4 set changes it
twin sage
but yeah he could have some sick game play haha
livid wasp
for nfae who gets short berserk
and yes you can use prowl as a vanish once in the 30 secs
livid wasp
it was great when you could still spam rake stun with it
twin sage
back in the days it was a sort of blade dance?
that u can do skills within stealth for 30 sec or
livid wasp
yeah you could enter stealth as much as you wanted and rake acted like you were in stealth
twin sage
ahh thats sick yeah haha! so you would recommend soul now then?
livid wasp
yeah
rare willow
i hated that Claws of Shirvallah form though
it was one of the ugliest things i have ever seen come out of blizzard
viscid remnant
Wrong
livid wasp
the models were so low quality
worn vector
Claws was the best thing blizzard did in WoD
lime light
fuck that
i need new pc
but i cba dealing with everything
i wish i could buy pc, with everything set up i have here
uwant to log dh and we double dps mordor for fun @viscid remnant
or hunter
viscid remnant
mordor "fun"
lime light
ok
viscid remnant
then i afk tilltomorrow i think
lime light
ye ofc its 9pm
viscid remnant
ok i will cap some1 else 
lime light
enh isnt as bad as usual
viscid remnant
idk just go
lime light
in 2s
viscid remnant
i want to eat
lime light
inv me
viscid remnant
eat then shower then sleep
lime light
sound spretty c00l
viscid remnant
ye its verycool
remote gyro
oh yeah dunno if 4 set changes it
you run frenzyband with incarn on matchups with high uptime and get 2 minute zerks
lime light
i dubt u do
remote gyro
that's why people running it are running it
clear pulsar
You get less cdr out of incarn than sotf
You'd need to run an energy leggo with it
Not frenzyband surely
People running it are bad feelycrafters
That's all
viscid remnant
Root them out face
lime light
is he playing it?
viscid remnant
i saw him play it last season
lime light
but u just do overall high dps
with 4 set
and all u do is live
when your warlock dog kills other ppl
rigid fern
best 3s comp for resto to push glad with this season?
viscid remnant
mage lock druid
rigid fern
that does look kinda disgusting yeah, thanks
viscid remnant
@lime light hahaha
worn otter
How good is 2 set and 4 set ?
viscid remnant
spec ?
viscid remnant
very good
worn otter
hmm oaky wasnt sure which to pick since there isnt a haste vers one
rare willow
its comp stomp week on NA so im trying to get my kyrian covenant up to 80, what talents do i use? sabertooth vs LI and Blootalons vs Feral Frenzy ?
grand mesa
chest is haste vers tier
i think the one i'm keeping as non tier is legs cause that's heavy crit over mastery
rare willow
yeah i kept legs not tier too
helm / shoulders / glvoes / chest for my tier set
and what legendary for Kyrian Feral ? Is Circle of Life and death a decent option?
whats the website to check all this out myself, murlok.io or something?
edgy shale
against all odds...absolutely legendary
viscid remnant
twitch finally learned the clock and unbanned the miestro
a true hero can fall but he will always get back up no matter the odds against him.... legendary
remote gyro
and what legendary for Kyrian Feral ? Is Circle of Life and death a decent optio...
people were running symmetry back in early 9.0
rare willow
copy
remote gyro
whoops replied to the wrong message
clear pulsar
Circle isnt so hot no
Feels bad you cant rly maintain full dots on multiple targets like you'd want
rare willow
okay. cool. ill have to craft a symmetry but thats nbd
junior plover
@clear pulsar confirm if new talents are good for game or not
I am awaiting the judgement
clear pulsar
Little sussy decisions
junior plover
clear pulsar
Decurse and magic dispel separate buttons weird
Boomie with skull bash + solar beam, etc
I like the idea tho
clear pulsar
Couldnt get much worse than shadowlands
livid wasp
has anyone tested frenzyband with 4-set yet
clear pulsar
Frenzyband only does any dmg if you get a convoke off
Awful for necro
The cdr is meaningless
rare willow
and the damage itself is really small and not benefited by anything else
viscid remnant
freanzyband
junior plover
Quadruple the cdr and then it's probably decent
clear pulsar
Yeah it needs convoke to throw out 3-4 crit shreds buffed by conduit
junior plover
Casual 100% buff to the leggo
clear pulsar
Frenzyband cdr is ~1/3 of the 2p cdr
clear pulsar
okay. cool. ill have to craft a symmetry but thats nbd
May be wrong but I think I saw tony run kyrian but still run draught in the AWC
But then he was just still LI, not sabertooth
If you wanna play something other than necro cuz you want big bites then ye no draught
rare willow
yeah im fairly happy with necro right now, i just want to get my kyrian up while its fast and easy to do so
clear pulsar
Curio might be nice lowkey
rare willow
might even just get venthyr max cuz why not
junior plover
Curio is prob okay for 3s
Man the amount of options this patch does sound nice
Maybe I resub
When's S4?
rare willow
not for a long while
junior plover
Hmm
rare willow
my guess... DragonFlight is sometime ~a year from now... maybe late spring early summer 2023... S4 Slands sometime around october/november? maybe august /september IF taking into account theres probably going to be a 1+month long pre-patch before DF
viscid remnant
go go go fast fast men fast
junior plover
Hmmmmm
viscid remnant
u wouldnt leave
junior plover
We playin ebola cleave?
junior plover
Polska gurom
viscid remnant
idont know ask elpatron
viscid remnant
el patron mains all classes and not at the same time
junior plover
viscid remnant
š 
junior plover
Destro broken I hear
what's that feral destro comp that slaps
FLP
Idk man I do wanna play ngl
Instead of talking shit all day
fair mirage
Wod gearing in dragonlands, yiss
safe heart
ez
rare willow
woooooo wpvp is actually being discussed
livid wasp
world pvp is such a big aspect of wow and its weird how its been ignored for so long
rare willow
its the ability to high roll so hard that makes convoke a bad ability. if they lower the top end damage and buff the low end damage so that its not 100-0'ing people in .5s with just RNG its a fine ability
but liteally, 2 crit ferocious bites at 0 and .25s is just gg and no skilled
viscid remnant
Convoke is boring
rare willow
yeah but we dont know what exploitable damage mods we'll have in Dragons
its just a slot machine and some times with no skill you just dunk on somebody
viscid remnant
Real
rare willow
yeah. i mean i still want some rng i think thats fine and interesting. but the wild swings where you can either literally do 50k DPS or spam wraths into a kevin is just ridiculous. that much difference is just too much, ya know?
remote gyro
woooooo wpvp is actually being discussed
is there a pvp stream or sth?
rare willow
it actually sounds more like a wotlk / cata style of gearing. theres just going to be 1 honor set and 1 conquest set
junior plover
Yeah it's not perfect but hey
rare willow
tbh. i dont remember either. lol. i think in wrath/cata it was just cosmetic upgardes at 2.2k
you got your Red Gear that was it
just a cosmetic red set
your T2
junior plover
Wrath had rating req I think
rare willow
oh maybe your right
junior plover
It was mostly just copied from tbc i think
teal hinge
Wrath had rating requirement I'm pretty sure on like shoulders and weapons
junior plover
Yep so I love dragonflight already
This was literally all I wanted
From this game
Thank fuck
Now just drop a balance patch every month
True
Altho they've been doing "3% less damage" patches already
Just had to do them more often
I'd imagine Druid will benefit from this the most
MW probably gets kick now
teal hinge
So like it use to be with skull bash basically
junior plover
Think about that
Really cool hybrid specs might come up
Unless the tree is shit
I'd imagine resto ferals will be happy
Altho maim is deep into the druid tree
So idk
teal hinge
Hybrids lol.. literally every class is hybrids now.
safe heart
blah i like the way talents work already
safe heart
yeah i get it, ill have to see what its like but honestly after trying both, i prefer to click feral and im a feral druid kinda thing
junior plover
You still get that
The specs are still well defined and you get an entire equally big spec tree
But I do see why people would like the mop talents
They're fine too
I personally like tweaking small things
safe heart
ah okay, i havent really looked deep into it, i just saw it was more like classic talent trees style
rare willow
to get renown 80 do i need to do 9/9 campaign chaptes with the new covenant?
or at what point can i just stop and grind out other things
minor seal
My friend is making me play some pvp. What leggo and cov am i supposed to be using as resto?
teal hinge
Campaign is a pretty quick way of getting renown if that's what you're asking
minor seal
What soulbind and conduits for resto?
rare willow
campaign is boring af though. lol i just want to know which point i can ignore it and just grind out torghast or comp stomp
i'd rather do level 9s than quest chain
clear pulsar
It's the other way around really
Torghast is rly good until renown ~48
After that it's not guaranteed every run
And I think the campaign is like 2 or 3 per chapter!?
clear pulsar
I meant zereth morties campaign
rare willow
yeah i gotcha. i already got my zm stuff all done
just gonna relax in comp stomps i guess
rare willow
lol
stark plover
Mmo-champion quote was for solo queue 'might come later in dragonflight' can't watch myself to confirm, but disappointing if its still just a maybe in future thing
clear pulsar
Bajheera asked and he said 'the plan is solo queue ranked yes'
minor seal
What soulbind and conduits for resto pvp? I'm new to pvp.
stark plover
Cool, hoped the summary was wrong
clear pulsar
https://www.twitch.tv/bajheera/clip/AverageAdventurousWolverineItsBoshyTime-CJfLx9MG8iS0Axw6 'it's part of the plan' to be precise
safe heart
I was hoping solo queue was like 1v1s , not the shit we have now
clear pulsar
What?
No lol
Arena 2v2 or 3v3 solo queue
I love the way the brawl works
Being random and not mmr based obviously hurts match quality
I mean
If you throw tantrums like that you'll lose
You wont climb
That type of behavior filters itself out the higher you go
I rather like the 6 rounds of permutations thing tbh
tropic schooner
I think it will be switchings but tbh imo fine
Obv you will have the person tilting and throwing but you will have that either way
No way to remove that if you have teammates
fair mirage
I was hoping solo queue was like 1v1s , not the shit we have now
That'd be unplayably bad lmao
solo shuffle has potential
fair mirage
We always know
tropic schooner
That's why the head is that big
grand mesa
i think current brawl format is best compromise tbh
safe heart
I don't like the switching teams
grand mesa
like would suck to queue into jank ass shit and fighting idk ret warrior
fair mirage
The whacky comps can be awful, or fine
I think worst bit is people being unwilling to adjust
but I guess they'll end up down in mordor
grand mesa
but with the rotating players and combinations per session it kinda all averages out
tropic schooner
It's dumb to assume that it's gonna be balanced
Not every class or specc willbe equal
And I hope everyone who plays it will understand
Which I know is wrong they wint
Wont
fair mirage
I mean 3v3 isn't balanced
fair mirage
it'll be a fun mode to throw your body at, though
tropic schooner
3v3 is a lot more balanced than solo q ever will
safe heart
Give glad mount thru solo q
clear pulsar
@tropic schooner hi bud long time no see
tropic schooner
Something like a feral historically is very inflexible with comps
clear pulsar
Looking nice and wavy
tropic schooner
Same with rogues
Which means they are likely underperforming compared to more flexible classes like warriors or mages
Obv depending on specific tuning and shit
clear pulsar
Idk sum feral cleaves rn looking juicy
fair mirage
Uh, I really don't think they're as inflexible as you'd think.
fair mirage
I think that a lot of people think everything other than a few comps are bad
and aren't going to be good about playing relative to each other on the fly
tropic schooner
Uh, I really don't think they're as inflexible as you'd think.
Historically? Pretty much
Obv stuff is playable
It's not autoloss
fair mirage
You all also play with each other so
tropic schooner
Yes but how does that matter
tropic schooner
I think that a lot of people think everything other than a few comps are bad
I do agree here tho, stuff in wow is generally a lot closer than what most people perceive
fair mirage
Yeah people don't have an air horn for 4pc feral yet
it's like wait why did dot do 40k dmg to each of us
abomb limb is actually just too juicy
rare willow
mhmm
im wondering if ebola will be better w/ kyrian.. instead of having main target with adaptive you can just have the +15% damage on everything
tropic schooner
<@139532395769495552> hi bud long time no see
Playing mostly tbc atm tbh
And that also mostly casual/solo
clear pulsar
I do agree here tho, stuff in wow is generally a lot closer than what most peopl...
i.e. discussions about fuckin soulbind of all things with people acting like one is unplayable
I guess e.g. not i.e.
tropic schooner
Yea
haughty compass
Iād say feral is better than balance in 3s but less flexible
clear pulsar
If you read the spec channels for 10 mins you come out thinking everything but the 1 build that the top parse ran is unplayable garbage
fair mirage
Balance implodes this season
haughty compass
Generally speaking
tropic schooner
If you read the spec channels for 10 mins you come out thinking everything but t...
Well
It's kinda hard to say
clear pulsar
There are obviously things that are unplayable trash
tropic schooner
Cause you don't wanna give people the perception that the other build is actually a thing
If it's just worse
It's not a build
It's just a wrong talent
clear pulsar
I disagree
tropic schooner
Like not precasting
rare willow
tbh i think kyrian might be the biggest way to juice feral 4pc on multiple targets.
tropic schooner
Is it mattering? Not but is it objectivly wrong? Yes
fair mirage
PvP is kind of weird where it's a little flexible although there are certainly dead talents, honor talents, secondary stats, trinkets, etc.
tropic schooner
PvP is kind of weird where it's a little flexible although there are certainly d...
While it is a bit more flexible people also genuinely don't care about optimizing as much
At least at the top
safe heart
There's just a general consensus that if you're actually good you could just win playing anything
tropic schooner
It's a lot what ever attitude
fair mirage
I mean it's also a matter of things gaining and losing vaalue based on say comp/matchup
tropic schooner
There have been multiple top players not having max rank legendaries and stuff
clear pulsar
There are definitely choices that people can make where you lose a small % of damage in theory but are easier to play, less room for error or just giving you more mental to focus on other parts of the game. And there are choices you can make as healer/tank for dmg vs your role that the class channels will almost always lean one way but realistically there is space for playing the other choice. I mostly just dislike the attitude people get when they come in playing something a bit different, they get mocked for shit that's like 1% loss or something.
fair mirage
and you can't really adjust too mcuh for that early season
tropic schooner
Cause they cba
safe heart
I agree f2f
tropic schooner
There are definitely choices that people can make where you lose a small % of da...
I highly disagree
safe heart
I would take lower dam, more consistent build
tropic schooner
Like sure shouldn't get mocked
But if something is 1% worse you can play it
But if you tell others that it's good
fair mirage
I mean why is it 1% worse
tropic schooner
Someone should step in and tell you you are doing stuff wrong
fair mirage
like I played every gear mixture on arms last season and they all had advantages
tropic schooner
So that others don't think that it's good
fair mirage
it wasn't simply that one was 2% beter or worse
their value depended on matchup
and compo
tropic schooner
In this example it is worsr
fair mirage
win condition
tropic schooner
And it's also pve
fair mirage
it's not as much of a black and white machhine spitting out sim results which people also still take as gospel hmm
clear pulsar
Stating 'X is Y% worse, the recommended instead is Z' is great never have an issue with correcting niche recommendations
The type of conversation and response that go on in these channels
Is not always that
tropic schooner
But you didn't talk about niche fecommendations
But yes it isn't always that ofc
But some stuff is just worse numbers
Ofc there are reasons to do stuff
People hating on others clicking for example is a pet peeve of mine
There are reasons why some people click
But that doesn't make it a good recommendation
clear pulsar
The first example that came to mind was something like playing MOC in m+ if you're learning feral and dont want to think about bloodtalons This is a small loss not quite recommended, but also can be part of a niche setup that can perform better on certain conditions
So in my head I was thinking of both situations
Small loss for simplicity as well as some niche setup that can perform better sometimes
tropic schooner
So I'd say something like you can play a worse talent which you wanna swap cause it's easier
Something like that is fine
But usually people try to defend their niche choices
As good
clear pulsar
I think that happens a lot as backlash from being shat on for something where the other people involved are making it sound like a huge loss that will prevent you from achieving your goal in the game
tropic schooner
I think that happens a lot as backlash from being shat on for something where th...
But if you ask stuff in a clas discord People care about optimizing things
Like there are people asking about optimal gearing for suboptimal builds
Which in a lot of cases isn't possible
Cause no one knows
tropic schooner
It isnt
safe heart
I am curio kyrian expert
tropic schooner
If it's not actually worked on
Raidbots may not be able to tell you stuff
Unless that person works out personal apls and stuff
clear pulsar
THis is why I worked day in and day out to optimize feral frenzy and masterful instincts
Altho that is also true for even meta builds
Feral apl is suuuper developed giga optimized for tons of choices
But some other specs
tropic schooner
Feral apl is suuuper developed giga optimized for tons of choices
Sure but if someone would come
clear pulsar
Can literally only run the meta guide recommended build on patchwerk sim and tahts it
clear pulsar
I guess my issue is that
The responses to a setup that is 0.5% worse and to something that is 12% worse very often sound the same
tropic schooner
Like shadows not wanting to play searing nightmare
Ever
Cause it kinda is the same
clear pulsar
Nah thats cap
tropic schooner
The response is that the person plays wrong shit and that's what you tell them if they defend that choice by trying to tell you that it's better you tell them they dumb
safe heart
Isn't searing nightmare like amazing in m+
tropic schooner
If they tell you that they play it while accepting it's worse
Than you tell me alright and try to help
Thats at least my poc
Pov
Idc if you play wrong shit but don't ask for help and try to tell me and others that the wrong shit you play is good, and I don't care if it's 10 or 2%
If you play misery instead of twist as shadow on single target I tell you it's wrong even tho that actually is like 1-2% dmg
safe heart
Okay I see what you mean now
No yeah If that hypothetical person can admit they're not playing the bis options then they can be helped
I know dudes who swear their random talent is sleeper bis
clear pulsar
There is a difference between asking for help and refusing the help's answers, and having a conversation about something you want to try or something you enjoy playing and then others jump in to dunk on your head for no good reason.
safe heart
Can't honestly say I'd be willing to hash it out with a disgusting venthyr player tho
clear pulsar
Yeah for some things there just isnt much of a conversation to be had cuz it's so bad no one else in the world would be interested or have much to share about it
Like venthyr feral
safe heart
So who wants to help me make kyrian curio work
rare willow
kyrian is kinda fun. its annoying to keep rebuffing kindred spirits every time you enter a new match though
clear pulsar
He did in 9.1
Or uh 9.0.5
Was still season 1 I think
When he pulled up w that shit
stray sigil
bt curio poggers
safe heart
And now it's better
Hell yes
stray sigil
too bad i dont play feral anymore kekw
remote gyro
If you read the spec channels for 10 mins you come out thinking everything but t...
sorry to reply 7 years later but so much this
everything is garbage until 1 guy comes out and makes it work and suddenly everyone is on board
rare willow
thats how kyrian boomy + dh happened last season lol
stark plover
Also unspoken factor is the range/skill you are trying to work in. For example I go FF even as Nf with convoke because I can manage it better and let's me focus a bit more on what is happening in match, which is what I struggle with and at 1300 rating anythjng is fine.
remote gyro
why not moment of clarity or whatever the leftmost talent is called
with cat eye
asking because obvious synergy
stark plover
I think cause you want burst
clear pulsar
I think cat-eye + moc is a bit of an overload of energy that between downtime from movement/casting utility and being CCd, you end up wasting a lot of
While something like FF is a cd you press during a go and need basically 2s of uptime to make use of it
stark plover
For solo queue, there might be problems at higher ratings, but really it just needs to be good enough for up to 1800 rating or so, that's 80% players roughly and gives casuals a way to do rating pvp within our skill range, if solo queue doesn't work smoothly for high pvpers above that, it's really not a big loss.
clear pulsar
I think most of the rank 1s just wont care for playing it and it'll be a bit like 2s rating, where one season they get their algorithm a bit wrong and 2100 is a bit too easy, some seasons they make it too hard and people who were 2100 are now playing at 1900, etc.
Idk tho I just like having a number associated with my performance, and I like logging in blasting solo queue not a care in the world
So whatever happens works for me
stark plover
Want to be able to easily play a pile of games and start getting soem of the mounts.