pvp

[north grove]

is dope

that was a 31.9k crit

rofl

[tardy hare]

4 piece gamer

[north grove]

to be fair

3 of them i got raiding on PvE stuff

and i still suck on pvp

[viscid remnant]

stinky pver

[north grove]

XD

pov of @visual linden https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/960497523364094022/960499419755733042/Untitled_1.mp4

[grand mesa]

Lmao

[north grove]

i was running frenzyband because my draught is on chest

and my tierset is on chest too

[trim juniper]

Is the Guardian 4p changes next week an overall buff, nerf or does i stay the same? Anyone done the math?

[viscid remnant]

Pumps?

[stark plover]

setting my bear spec for RBGs, and found interesting interaction. Emerald Slumber should take about 20s of your cooldowns. But seems to double count for convoke with unity, takes 40s off the cooldown. Don't really have a situation where its practical to use (convoke, safe to do emerald slumber for 8s and then convoke shortly after again) but almost cool

[north grove]

i got 3 pve tierset and 1 pvp tierset, do you guys think its worth the bonus? i got lower stamina because of this tho

and legs tierset doesnt give versa at all

neither shoulder

i dont like playing convoke feral, its fun, but im more into necro

[lime light]

@clear pulsar little pig

U said u are not comming back to my discord channel

And now u are here on your knees

[viscid remnant]

hey hey dont scare him away

[obtuse bramble]

yes, shred away

[clear pulsar]

Good morning blessed day in el patron's dreamgrove

[grand mesa]

I wouldn’t worry too too much about the loss of Stam/vers from 4pc imo

Hi face I knew you’d be back

[clear pulsar]

I am on my way to the grind

[viscid remnant]

good morning

[tiny oar]

WELCOME HOME F2F

@grand mesa NICE NEW PROFILE PIC

[grand mesa]

Lmao thx

[viscid remnant]

wow gz

[grand mesa]

@tiny oar I saw ur xmog in general. Mine is gonna look pretty much the same when I get to go alliance. Can’t wait lol

[tiny oar]

Hell yea love to see it it's one of if not my fav for sure.

I think I go with a beanie actually

[viscid remnant]

flannel andy

[north grove]

my draught was crafted on chest, now im using tierset on chest. do you think i should go draught on neck or wait for the 5th piece so i can swap it out of chest?

[viscid remnant]

if u are rich just craft it if u are poor then dont

[north grove]

im poor

xD

id have to craft it at a really lower ilvl

[viscid remnant]

idk i have not got into this situation yet because i have 0 tier

[north grove]

while i dont have draught on neck, im playing nfae with frenzyband on wrist

[safe heart]

Generally speaking the option where you spend gold to fix the problem is always the preferred option unless you can't afford it

Probably worth just doing really low ilvl for now,
It's the effect you need , not the stats

[paper crane]

omg lakes selfie

[safe heart]

The stats just help

I thought I could buy a wow token with gold and mail it to my horde alt and was not able to do it so now I have a useless wow token

[lime light]

@viscid remnant biggest enh in eu

Capped

Weapon rdy

15k honor saved

Just missing gold and campaign quests

[viscid remnant]

ok

[viscid remnant]

@lime light @tiny oar mog + or -

[tiny oar]

hmmmmmmmmm

[viscid remnant]

wep is a bit scuffed i dont have much that matches

[lapis wasp]

Red drill mace perhaps?? Or artifact sword

[viscid remnant]

that looks cool

how 2 get

from a rare

wowzers another mog nev going to get

XD

[lime light]

Wtf how did u get

That weapon

[viscid remnant]

i didnt its greyd out

[lime light]

Ah so fuck u

There is also blue one

[viscid remnant]

ye but i would need to change mog to blue

[lime light]

I dont like the hair

In the mog

Dark brown

[grand mesa]

Gotta kill them rares in zereth mortis or be a key doer in the new m+ dungeons 😂

[viscid remnant]

ye idk

im not a rarer man

i dont even have fly in the new zone

and iam not a M+ er

mby i will try pve but idk

its 2 complicated im too used to healing in arena

[grand mesa]

Man I think the opposite healing arena lmao

[viscid remnant]

idk i did lfr on my priest

how do u even heal

i just spammed renew on the whole screen

[grand mesa]

Apparently renew is cardinal sin in pve land

But I don’t know much about priests 😂

[viscid remnant]

i dont know either thats why iam saying this

i tried googling hpal pve guide and instead of it being quick and short 2 read its like 20 different sections about a billion things different builds bla bla

just tell me what to do u know what imean

its 2 much like idk maybe im just stupid

[remote gyro]

what are some good balance 3s comps?

[gleaming jewel]

what spot do we make a new 291 unity on for rbgs ?

[safe heart]

Dh boomie rsham
Boomie sp rsham
Boomie ww prob okay

[gleaming jewel]

shoulders or ?

[remote gyro]

cheers, is balance in a good spot atm? coming back after not playing for a while

[gleaming jewel]

no answers what so ever, gg , pvp channel is sooooo much help

[viscid remnant]

not mentioning spec

[safe heart]

What spec lol

[viscid remnant]

will do that to u

actual crackhead lmao

[gleaming jewel]

boomie

[safe heart]

Is ur dreambinder on ur boots already

[gleaming jewel]

using unity and Boat atm

[safe heart]

You'll want to avoid slotting it in a tier set slot and obv don't replace your current lego spot
What slot is ur boat

[gleaming jewel]

checked
https://murlok.io/ and top 2 boomies, got boat and unity, unity on shoulders and boat on boots

i got boat on boots

[safe heart]

Yeah belt or shoulders sounds good if ur boots are taken

Just gotta be careful not to cuck your tier set if you don't pve

[gleaming jewel]

well i got 2 set in pve items, but none in pvp

but it feels like you will loose alot of vers if you equipp 2 pve items just for the 2 set ? is it rly worth it ?

[safe heart]

You might need a boomer main to confirm but I'm pretty certain you should hold out on tier set until you have 4

Ferals are using 0/4 or 4/4

So I figure it's similar

[gleaming jewel]

feels like it, since 2 set is only beam for 20 % of the normal dmg

[safe heart]

Yeah but plan for the future is all I'm saying

[gleaming jewel]

ye 😛

not like im gonna sell tier pieces 😛

@viscid remnant and david, you calling me crackhead cause im tired and forgot to mention for what specc, i actually got a job and a life outside the game , unlike you.

[viscid remnant]

ye im going to call you a crackhead because instead of thinking you instantly complained

[gleaming jewel]

so 10 mins is instantly ? you need to learn the clock man, and your calling me a crackhead haha

[viscid remnant]

hahaa

nice edit

[gleaming jewel]

atleast i know the clock hahaha

go back to school man, obviously you need it

[viscid remnant]

sure my guy

[grand mesa]

Lmao what is this

[gleaming jewel]

just a sad guy with no friends, beeing rude cause some 1 forgot to mention something @grand mesa

[viscid remnant]

💀

[forest kite]

Um

You should always wear tier set that have no vers???

Mages get reduced fire blast recharge by 50% which means more instant cast pyroblasts

And feral get alot of damage , 28k bleed in 10 seconds?

[gleaming jewel]

are we mages ? 😛 , no, am i feral ? no 😛

[grand mesa]

It’s hard to infer what top pvpers are doing with tier cause a lot of them just don’t have it

[forest kite]

They can win without it

[grand mesa]

Sure but until it’s really common to see 4pc on everyone might now know how everyone decides to handle their tier/lego slots ideally just by looking at murlok or whatever

[viscid remnant]

Only way to see if they play it in awc

[grand mesa]

Yea

[forest kite]

When can we craft them?

[grand mesa]

2 weeks from catalyst I think

I’m losing track of weeks lmao

[lime light]

@clear pulsar i made you

[blissful belfry]

Boomy 2pc is as good if not better than 4pc. In pve at least. I would use it in all situations if you can. The power of 2pc is the astral power generation it gives.m9re surges in your goes

[clear pulsar]

I thank @lime light everyday I wake up

Blessed

[lime light]

no need to thank

just live your life

[remote gyro]

timeworn with the 4p seems pretty nutty, can surge at least 6 times after lunar eclipse

fury of elune AP generation doesn't stack with itself correct? just lengthens the buff duration

probably can surge every gcd in kyrian empowerment

[edgy shale]

you need to learn clock davider

[viscid remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-pepega-drive-meme-gif-16837577

[viscid remnant]

i found him @livid wasp

[viscid remnant]

miestro ?

legendary

[safe heart]

I'm gunna start putting CURRENT wow classic high warlord feral LF 3s

[livid wasp]

worst jungle season ive experienced so far

dunno if itll change with sets

[fair mirage]

Idk queuing into jungle is pretty scary.

on the verge of having a stroke trying to play it with lfg on my hunter, though. Every cat just dies a minute in.

[livid wasp]

I feel like my survivability is not the problem

its just idk

I guess priest needs to be super good

with this aids meta

[fair mirage]

I mean jungle is the feral and the priest trying to play the game

while their sped hunter sits there mashing his 2 buttons to do 7k dps to a guys face

[viscid remnant]

jungle always felt like a shit lfg comp to me

[rare willow]

jungle feels different this season than last season. i feel like last season the prime win condition was just surviving until something on their team died to the sustained pressure.

now it really feels like that win condition just doesnt exist as much. damage is much higher and survivability got a hefty nerf. you need to win w/ set GO's and cross cc.

and im not saying go's werent important last season but as long as you survived you had the stuff to just outlast pretty much everything else.

[fair mirage]

I still feel like I'm the verge of death between traps.

[livid wasp]

yeah maybe its a lot more voice dependant now

[fair mirage]

Being on the same page as to who is using what is beneficial

Always felt bad seeing a jungle fling out ps/barrier on top of turtle + the ferals defensive trinket or some shit.

[cosmic river]

hows kyrian feral looking like in 2s?

[cosmic river]

dayum crusader

[hollow matrix]

any rbg guardian guides?

noice

what about arena?

[twilit siren]

if you're playing correct you shouldn't get capped 1v1 as bear right

trinket, sleeper, brambles?

[hollow matrix]

feel like it could be decent tho

[fair mirage]

Bear in arena, at last check, is shitty and doesn't do anything outside of the 4pc cheese, and that got nerfed rather bigly.

[hollow matrix]

shame

ill give it a go tho

[twilit siren]

feel like I do no damage in rbgs as boomy should I just go bear 4p

even without sitting

[safe heart]

Is it even possible to not top damage as a boomie in rbgs

Like you just convoke and kill half the team

[fair mirage]

So the way you play balance is dome the focus target with surges but there's also just spamming out pad damage if you're losing then making passive aggressive remarks about how nobody else is trying as the map burns

but balance just kind of ambiently does infinite damage in bg situation

[twilit siren]

got one person telling me to starfall dots another to surge target also feels pugging there isn't enough coordination for the latter to work well enough

[haughty compass]

Moonkin rbg playstyle is ridiculously easy. Can’t wait to be a tinker main

[edgy shale]

the biggest mistake i see from boomies in RBGs is just not spamming clone enough

shits broken

especially on minecart map etc.

[haughty compass]

Yep

[grand mesa]

Looks like a decent nerf to demo

Lmao

[fair mirage]

Yeah, destro with tier is actual terror.

We bfa s4 soon.

[lime light]

Yes

Or warlocks in general are terror no skill ape class

[stray sigil]

mage lock meta pig

pog

[tiny oar]

POG

MY TIME 2 SHINE

[stray sigil]

fuck im glad i dont play 3s anymore jesus

[tiny oar]

SPLAY TO THE FUCKING MOON

[stray sigil]

watching these ppl have to afk 45s straight

cuz of skelly

[lime light]

Ye and when u can come back it takes a minute to connect

And so on u can Play for a minute

With the demo nerf all the rats abusers fotm players

[grand mesa]

yeah i really only do 2s. 3s looks awful lmao

[lime light]

Gonna change to destro

And plague my game

[pulsar gorge]

How is rdruid atm? vs other healers

Does tier set help a bit? I'm having trouble at 1800

[clear pulsar]

Rdru is very good, healer balance is in a very good spot

[obtuse bramble]

the outliers atm are holy priests being stronger than the average and RShams being weaker (it seems)

and MW... dunno. They remain weird

[forest kite]

Is RBGs the best way to farm Conquest ?

how can you farm Conquest? its only a few points to get there. But whatever you do, you need wins. On my realm, most teams on rbg list are sub 1000 and you lose far more than win if you join them. If you get into a good team though its yes, fastest way to get conquest

[clear pulsar]

Realms dont affect pvp in any way anymore

Whether you're losing or winning at first, you'll eventually hit an MMR where you face teams of equal skill.

[forest kite]

yes, but that is not really "farming" conquest

[clear pulsar]

Call it whatever you want

[ornate basin]

any feral thoughts for best lego slot in pvp? ive got all 5 tier slots and im looking at pants, but shoulders is a decent option too

[visual sparrow]

Hi guys, for Guardian RBG's, is it worth buying all the honour gear to max out ilvl and ignore my pve gear that's a way higher ilvl?

Currently at 25% vers and getting told it's too low, is it that much more important than losing like 10-20 ilvl on every piece?

[viscid remnant]

Helo 🙏

[grand mesa]

Morning

[viscid remnant]

My fellow el patroners 🙏

[visual sparrow]

Yeh I didn't think it was that bad, just 3 or 4 people flaming me for my vers when I got hit by 2 ret pally's for 20k, 20k, 60k

[north grove]

boys, i feel like leveling a warrior for rbgs and maybe some arenas

all my alts got gear from previous season

pvp gear, i mean

but once i hit 60 with the warrior, i'll get the 226 anima gear from zereth morthis, and then to farm Honor gear the only option is to face random bgs, right?

i'll be like 40k hp

people will hate me

thats it?

[grand mesa]

Solo shuffle might be better. Idk about dps queues but it popped quick for me as healer was really quick honor. And you get upscaled in ilvl

[viscid remnant]

i dont think that ppl will hate you i think you will hate yourself because playing with low gear is miserable

[north grove]

mmmm yea

i already feel like i hate myself

[viscid remnant]

i mean if u have alts with gear from last ssn why not them

just dont feel like it or

[north grove]

i got sub rogue with some gear, and disc priest with decent gear

but i feel i just know the basic basics on rogue

i dont have half the macros that pickaboo and the other big guys have. so I know im def doing it wrong lol

[viscid remnant]

outlaw rogue is basically like fury warrior

and assa is hella op

[north grove]

i refuse to play outlaw rogue

XD

[viscid remnant]

seems like a good choice 2 me

[tardy hare]

@tiny oar

quick

rdru talents

i signed up to rbg cause i need honor but i dont have anything

: )

[viscid remnant]

@tardy hare not laker but i think this is good setup

idk about the last 2 rows tbh

[obtuse bramble]

Overgwowth

and maybe Germination over Flourish

but dunno

[viscid remnant]

for rbg idk the meta tbf

[obtuse bramble]

me neither

[viscid remnant]

wouldnt u want some more aoe/bursty healing ?

[obtuse bramble]

so idk about Flourish

[viscid remnant]

and maybe mass rooty to troll ppl

[tardy hare]

idk about burst or anything

i just need to pad meters

so if they say 1 word to me

i say look meters

[viscid remnant]

idk tbh

why not go guardian

and afk base

[tardy hare]

they already had guardian

and its 14:35 on a tuesday

[viscid remnant]

no grps on alliance? kekw

[tardy hare]

so theres 1 group in lfg

and then u get guardian on ur team

that plays den mother

on flag maps

[clear pulsar]

Probably still play spring blossoms if teamfight map

Overgrowth if flag

[viscid remnant]

o ye ofc

i guess depends if u need to heal tanks or just a base map thing

[north grove]

den mother is bad for those?

[livid wasp]

should you even bother going against DH against DH/hpriest

just doesnt die

[north grove]

u play feral?

[livid wasp]

yes

ferals so useless in 2s

cant win anything

not possible to get 2.1k

[viscid remnant]

u need

the guidance

of elpatron's spirit

to press on against the dark

[livid wasp]

and everyone has at least 2-set already

how am I supposed to win against that shit

[tardy hare]

i mean its only for the people around you

idk what current meta is but usually it wasnt too important to keep the others alive moreso than yourself

[livid wasp]

fury warrior so broken too like wtf

just smash your keyboard and win

[grand mesa]

Fury pumps

Ooo photo sounds good too never thought to try that for rbg

[livid wasp]

why cant they give feral instant cyclone to make it at least somewhat viable

[tiny oar]

wtf zechey

[livid wasp]

so sick of this

impossible to even get past 1950 on my alt

[rocky belfry]

Guys, I had a rogue open on me with smoke bomb so I popped cc immune trink and convoked for the win! 😂

Bahahah

[tardy hare]

[livid wasp]

why is DH so broken like fucking blur for almost every go

[rocky belfry]

Yeah man, it’s almost as bad as BFA with the dodges.

[livid wasp]

funny how every comp counters feral

[tardy hare]

xd

[tiny oar]

Sounds a bit cope buddy IDK

[livid wasp]

its true though

gotta tryhard every fucking game

to get a win

[viscid remnant]

sketchy

that just how it is

against braindead classes like hunter and assa

[tardy hare]

idk rogues pretty killable

[livid wasp]

and ww and warrior and dh

[tardy hare]

just hunter thats gay af

[livid wasp]

dh and assa just with 2-set has such insane dps

and why isnt lock getting any nerfs

[obtuse bramble]

Demo just got nerfed

[livid wasp]

affli hasnt got shit

[safe heart]

I feel like feral is kindof a try hard spec tbf

[livid wasp]

I just wish I knew what im doing wrong that I cant even reach 2.1k

[safe heart]

I'm with ya on that, I've been stuck between 18 and 19 for like 3 weeks

[short fjord]

I stopped playing my feral much but i felt in 2s it was pretty much convoke or bust at this point

Why tf would you play Necro when 2/3 of games completely counter you

[north grove]

true

and hunters used to be easy targets for me

coz dots used to eat'em while they turtle

[haughty compass]

2.1 is high right now

[livid wasp]

its not

everyone has it

[clear pulsar]

Except you

[main roost]

oop

[grand mesa]

Good luck with vault friends

[livid wasp]

just almost broke my mouse

cause of some fucking 4-set assa rogue

[signal arrow]

KekW

[livid wasp]

what the fuck

how am I supposed to beat that shit

insane dmg every go

[signal arrow]

Resto?

Or what spec do you play? Assa rogue is definetly one of the harder matchups but if you pre hot and pre bear Kidney you're often fine

[livid wasp]

feral

[signal arrow]

Eh no idea about feral 😂

[viscid remnant]

i heckin love playing against warlocks their win condition is to make the game so long i want to leave

[clear pulsar]

Everytime there's an aff lock I ask my team if they're ok with /afk

[viscid remnant]

i had a 7 min game vs afflock

in mordor mmr

[livid wasp]

there should be an addon to detect 4-set so I can just /afk insta instead of wasting my fucking time or breaking something

[signal arrow]

More often than not aff lock has more healing than their healer at the end of the game I find most success just killing the healer vs aff but not every spec can do that 😅

[viscid remnant]

its so stupid when they play with the new stupid trinket

and u literally cant kick drain

[lime light]

Hello my chatters

No need to be mad

Its just a game

[viscid remnant]

🙏

[lime light]

Till u face rmp or locks

Then its lersonal

Personal

[viscid remnant]

elpatroni

how do u get rewnon fast

[lime light]

Idk i just q up bitch

Need to cap ww

But first shreding on a bike

[grand mesa]

Zereth mortis campaign

Is super fast for renown

[viscid remnant]

i alrdy did it

smh

[grand mesa]

Oh

[lime light]

My calf is getting pumped

[viscid remnant]

i need my kyrian up on priest

[grand mesa]

I was gonna say torg but torg priest is tragic

• it’s torg

[lime light]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMLQBLqxw/

How do u like this

[viscid remnant]

ye torgshwitz

[lime light]

Davider

I wanna do one like that

[viscid remnant]

looks stupid

lel

[lime light]

Why

[viscid remnant]

just is

i dont like that style

[north grove]

how do you guys treat tierset pieces that doesnt have versa

i have the option to take 278 tierset legs from PVE (already have 252 from pve) or to take regular conquest helmet for PVP (currently im using PVE tierset helmet, ilvl 252)

so, the thing is: if i get the helm, i can upgrade it to tierset later

and im late on pvp gear.. i only have 3 conquest pieces.. chest and weapon

[clear pulsar]

You can just buy the helm with conquest next week tho

[north grove]

well ye

[grand mesa]

From what I understand pvp tier is upgradable and retains the ilvl bonus in pvp so I’m not sure how much value 278 pve piece turned into tier would be. Happy to be corrected and be wrong on that though.

[north grove]

you are right

pvp tier is upgradeable. my chest is pvp tierset

PVE tier set isnt

[grand mesa]

And it retains ilvl bonus in pvp?

[north grove]

pvp chest

PvE tierset legs

[grand mesa]

Yeah so if you’re considering tier I would personally opt for pvp centric tier. Not the pve one if it were me

[north grove]

ye, but my point is

while i dont have PvP Legs, for example

PvP tierset legs

i will still be running this 252 garbage

coz of its complete set bonus on pvp

tierset legs doesnt give any versa

so i was considering : getting helm on this vault, and buying gloves/hands with conquest to upgrade it to tierset later

coz the stats of hands is better for pvp than legs

[clear pulsar]

Idk I'd take the big immediate upgrade over worrying about a potential 5 ilvl increase at high rating later on

[tropic schooner]

Sounds like way too much thinking for me

[grand mesa]

Lmao yeah

[north grove]

face2face, so if you were in my position u'd take legs anyday?

[grand mesa]

I mean with forge coming out next week might as well just take legs imo

[clear pulsar]

100%. The other alternative item for 4p is gloves which is haste mastery

Not any better than pants.

[north grove]

o so we have 3 pieces that doesnt give any versa

damn

coz shoulder is crit/haste

[viscid remnant]

next week u mean tomorrow

[clear pulsar]

No

Next week

[viscid remnant]

'f

[clear pulsar]

Mean in 7 days

[viscid remnant]

unlucker

but not the worst i guess

[north grove]

ill follow u guys advice

ur advice guys*

makes sense

kinda

i mean, im still far away from getting 1800

[clear pulsar]

You need 1950 for an ilvl increase from pvp tier over pve tier, 2100 for

Bit bigger increase

[grand mesa]

This vault was a tragedy lmao

[signal arrow]

I got 2100 with only 2 set on Rdruid I think 4 set is not super important

[signal arrow]

In reply to this 😅

[grand mesa]

4 set is really nice imo

[north grove]

it isnt =p im sucking tho

[north grove]

in reply to this

the 4set is cool for ferals xD

[signal arrow]

I think the biggest thing that lower rated Rdruids don't do is get max value out of Cenarion ward try to extend as many times as you can more often than not Cenarion ward is my top heal almost every game

And play max range unless you go in for the kill so swapping is difficult

[north grove]

resto druids are hard to play

i feel like it

im much more into playing disc priest or holy priest

xD

[signal arrow]

Holy priest is probably the easiest healer to pick up they're also crazy strong

I think Rdruid is pretty easy to perform decent on if you just focus on max heal output but you can do a ton of min maxing

But up to 1800 a solid healing rotation carries you to be honest

Swiftmend -> NS is up for every big dps cooldown same as barkskin if they go you and apart from that just maximise cenarion ward uptime and chill ^^

[north grove]

do you play feral affinity or guardian affinity as resto on pvp?

[signal arrow]

Depends who you play with but 99% of the time guardian

With aff lock for example you want feral

Or if you are really confident in your play and you want to add more damage

[north grove]

coz he can peel easily?

[signal arrow]

But I just usually opt for the safe play with guardian

[north grove]

and u got healthstones/

[signal arrow]

Nah it's cause aff lock has no good stun

You want to help out by maim on kill target

On cooldown

[north grove]

o

thats big ye

[stray sigil]

got to buy a socket with vault

wowowowowo

[inland thorn]

What are the best two leggos for Night Fae Boomies, with also the Tier set in mind?

I am assuming it's Celestial Spirits and Timeworn Dreambinder, but wasn't sure.

p.s. I got a tier Legs piece, but that's one of my leggos. T_T

[haughty compass]

Prob pulsar

[rocky belfry]

Idk what’s best but running the immunity trinket with balance of all things will one shot 2 people if they are the only targets and they don’t pop defensives.

[inland thorn]

I haven't read into that one, what other leggo would you use with that one?

[rocky belfry]

Gotta have the double leggo and be convoke though

[fair mirage]

Hoping that the enemy team doesn't press buttons isn't a strategy.

[obtuse bramble]

So, you all have tier options? Impressive

I can still choose between 0 tier and 0 tier

[rocky belfry]

Or you could play with a rogue and go whoever doesn’t have their defensives up?

[fair mirage]

Yeah, the immunity thing prevents interrupts, so if you can get stuff like wall/ground off the table so they think they're safe with medallion kick or w/e then you're in decent shape.

[inland thorn]

I only have two Tiers, and one of them is my Leggos which I have "Balance of all things" Leggo for. T_T
My other leggo is the belt cinch from questing but would love to know what the two best leggos are, to start making changes to my gear if needed.

[safe heart]

Oh fuck I didn't realize tier sets from pve weren't upgradable

I think one of my two pieces is a pve one fuark

[grand mesa]

Yeah…

[clear pulsar]

If you get tier that's lower than 272 from m+ vault

You can upgrade it

[safe heart]

So it was REALLY a waste to do pve after all

Oh okay

[clear pulsar]

To 272 ofc

It's on the valor system like any m+ piece

[grand mesa]

Only raid tier is hard stuck

[rocky belfry]

I’m no expert at balance but I’m a one shot enthusiast. As it stands, Boomkin with this build has the most single target dps of anything I’ve played this season if you can pull it off.

[inland thorn]

I am a one shot enthusiast too!

[rocky belfry]

Maybe we should try some double boom. I open and get the cds, you open and kill?

😂

[safe heart]

Can confirm I lost to the strat
Feral opens with immune convoke then boomie opens with immune convoke

[inland thorn]

Lol that would be fun! I actually ran an ALL druid convoke rbg "low cr" this week for vault. We won 4/5 games with two healers, and no tank.

[safe heart]

Everyone dead

[rocky belfry]

ultimagus#1358…I’ll be on in like 4 hours. It sounds hella fun.

Even against pet classes, all you gotta do is root the pets so the convoke doesn’t hit them.

[livid wasp]

dont do that

[civic ore]

Think the Kyrian Bell trinket (mastery on use) is worth using over the Badge for the on use main stat and PvP Bonuses for big feral convokes?

Mine gives 511 mastery on use

[viscid remnant]

that makes u lose pvp set bonus

not good

[tiny oar]

ye exceptionally not great

[civic ore]

511 mastery is like 40% damage on bites during voke

[grand mesa]

Isn’t bell still a minute and a half CD?

And an int trinket?

[civic ore]

1.5 yeah, and it's agi in feral spec

[viscid remnant]

set bonus buffs ur dmg and hp always not when u press it

and convoke already does enough dmg u dont need to add more

[clear pulsar]

511 mastery is 29% mastery, which is not 29% dmg buff on bites

[civic ore]

How is it not if mastery buffs finishers...?

[clear pulsar]

It's closer to a 18% buff

You dont have 0 mastery

You have a certain amount

With like 300 base mastery and niya grove invig stacks

You hit a bit over 50% mastery and the 29% from bell becomes an ~18% increase

[civic ore]

With my scaled down bell, 433 mastery ilvl 207, it still gives 24% additional mastery (88% total). This is after popping niya too. Why are you cutting it in half?

It's not being added as a % of a %, but they all just stack as straight mastery stat

[lime light]

destro just killed my healer

in 0 sec

casted cb into isntant cb

82k dmg

[grand mesa]

Oof

[viscid remnant]

ye cuz ur not playing with me

i have no friends guys sadge

@clear pulsar typing for 20 minutes

[safe heart]

Diminishing returns

[clear pulsar]

Bite does dam. We call it 10k dam yeah? Nice round number easy comprehension.
Base mastery is 16%
Gear mastery should really be over 500 if you are taking vers mast over vers haste pieces, call it 500 / 17.5 = 28.57%
Niya 400 mastery is 22.85% assuming you dont proc the 50% buff
Mastery = 67.42%
Now bite does 10k * (1 + 67.42%) yes? 16.7k
Use Bell which you now say is 433 down from 511, that's 24.74%, sum up to 92.16%
Bite now does 10 * (1 + 92.16%) = 19.2k
19.2 / 16.7 = 15% increase to bite damage

[viscid remnant]

ok face u dont need to go into maths hes just wrong because losing bonus isnt worth

[clear pulsar]

You know what's a 15% damage increase? Badge

Except the trinket set bonus is also another ~8% damage increase

:)

Smile @viscid remnant it's a beautiful day in el patron's dreamgrove.

[viscid remnant]

its okay to be wrong you went supersayan on the guy

[clear pulsar]

My spaghetti is now way past prime cooked

Cuz I sat here typing this shit for 10 mins

Go fix me spaghetti @civic ore

[civic ore]

Just hit 2400 with Bell so I think I'm right

Go make me sketty with kapchup

[viscid remnant]

but did i ask doe

just because u use bad options doenst mean u do 0 dmg

[civic ore]

wargames me bruv

[tiny oar]

Did u tell ur healer to try just lining the bolt?

[viscid remnant]

sure whats ur character-realm

[civic ore]

Whazz-Ravencrest EU

[viscid remnant]

real pog

[clear pulsar]

I think whazz knows how numbers work

[civic ore]

u scared m8?

[viscid remnant]

ye because thats really you

[civic ore]

I'm on rn wargames me so all of twitch can see you lose bruv

[tiny oar]

This is a bit cringe

[viscid remnant]

ye

[lime light]

legit did

10 games of 2.1k 2s

every game hpriest

[tiny oar]

Yes I love it

I actually cant q until I get unity 4 pc 280 pvp ilvl like

I an so behind

[viscid remnant]

[signal arrow]

I can relate lol holy priest or rogue mage every game

Roar off holy ward -> get feared -> cry

[tiny oar]

😭

[lime light]

come few @viscid remnant

[viscid remnant]

what log

[civic ore]

Blizzcon champ LF wargames come @ me Whazz-Ravencrest

David got scared

[viscid remnant]

ye you are whazz

true

[lime light]

someone escort that clown

from my discord

or what

log anything Davider

need cap

[viscid remnant]

both my chars capped so idc

but my pala is mega mordor

[lime light]

idk i rly liked ww

till i played into

50 hpriests

in 2s

[viscid remnant]

iam almsot honor cap

[clear pulsar]

Everytime I play vs ww it's blades edge

How

Fuck rop

[viscid remnant]

i guess ill buy shield

its cheap anyway

[outer wing]

where can i find all the necessary balance druid macros

for 2s / 3s

[lime light]

hm

not so sure

what u need

just cyclone 123

regrowth12

dispel12

root beam on focus

and u good

and some swofty one shot macro ofc

@viscid remnant do u need some rating on something

that u are close to getting upgrade

iam kinda laggy tho

[viscid remnant]

not rly tbh my pala far from rival

[lime light]

ok next week then

[viscid remnant]

ye

[floral steppe]

So... feral pvp-- the staff or the polearm and why? =/ newby kitty cat here

[lime light]

if u are kyrian/nf

go for crit weapon

if necro just haste weapon

and itis super minor

[floral steppe]

Ez enough--haste for dots and crit for bites. Ty =3

[clear pulsar]

Alternatively

Haste wep for all cuz crit wep is hideous

[lime light]

ok one char 3/3 2x chars 2/3 and one char 1/3

[viscid remnant]

@lime light 3rd class + or -

[lime light]

how many set items

depends which one

rsham -

[viscid remnant]

iam getting bored now but when i need to farm honor maybe i will regret it

[lime light]

kinda sketchy

mw +

[viscid remnant]

i think druid mby

[lime light]

druid also +

hunter fun

3 op specs

[viscid remnant]

ye but

• healer on my list XD

[lime light]

wdym

cant play 3 chars?

[viscid remnant]

no i mean no healers 2 play with

[lime light]

i could play hpal

but so on

i would have

to give up

something

[viscid remnant]

ye

[lime light]

4 chars kinda sketch

and 5

monkaW

but i think i would enjoy the hpal playstyle

[viscid remnant]

idk i am bored now but when i need a lot of honor it will be bad

[lime light]

spam instants

[viscid remnant]

ye hpal this ssn very cool

[lime light]

wdym bored

[signal arrow]

Until you actually try it pepelaugh

[lime light]

its reset tomorrow

[signal arrow]

But yeah this season is way better than last

[viscid remnant]

i mean necro playstyle is a lot more fun than kyrian was in ssn 1/2

[lime light]

ok so maybe we log and play till cap XD @viscid remnant

in case we wanna play

[viscid remnant]

if u got nothing 2 do ya

[signal arrow]

I played all healers last season and holy pala was hardest to climb with

[lime light]

i have 60% of the weekly quest

on shaman

but thats kinda useless i think

[viscid remnant]

the new zone thing ?

[lime light]

ye

[viscid remnant]

its only for ur main for rep no ?

[lime light]

hm

idk

i might be

without hpal lego

[viscid remnant]

ye idk

[lime light]

but thats not an issue

[viscid remnant]

campaign 3rd time ?

sketchy

[lime light]

its not too bad imo

i did 3 times already

but over time

crit or haste

better for hpal

[viscid remnant]

crt

nah fuck hunter

iam thinking now

[lime light]

so think faster

so we can cap

i can yoink some honor on my shaman

or i can log dk

[viscid remnant]

logging off

its not

good

2 many characters

[lime light]

3 is fine

[viscid remnant]

idont want campaign and torgy g again

[lime light]

u dont rly need to do much

this ssn

its like

u do it once

and u done

the biggest problem is gold

and i refuse to boost for gold

the donkeys

[stray sigil]

bro i just played

with a rdru

who would stun everyone

2 times before my bone dust

XD

anmd then ragequit on me

[lime light]

XD

[viscid remnant]

based

[lime light]

@tiny oar

any opinion on that

😄

[viscid remnant]

comes in stuns everything refuses to elaborate leaves

[stray sigil]

bro i just

couldnt get the fucking gos

i cant stun anything

and tis vs

hpriest ww

lol

[lime light]

cuz hpriest

[stray sigil]

just gonna roll my dust

[lime light]

is the biggest

[stray sigil]

or grip

[lime light]

counter to ww

i dont even wanna play

2s

this ssn

cuz of hpriest

fear on go = u need to trinket or go is over

fly

fade

guardian

instants

holy ward

i dont have any good enh transmogs

[stray sigil]

i feel like

playign with bad healers

is so bad on ww

compared to feral

feelsbadman

[lime light]

not true

u can do a go by yourself

u dont need anyone

and u need dmg in goes as feral

the problem is, if the healer is overagresivve and dr's

thats a problem

but afk-do nothing bad healer

is good for u

[stray sigil]

not about gos

feral is hard to kill

ww is not

i can live forever with a bad healer on feral

cant with ww

[lime light]

depends what u face

[junior plover]

play brewmaster then

gg

[lime light]

but u are not right

in general

if u face rogue hpriest

ofc u are easy target

but if u face warrior

how can u die

[junior plover]

ye this is pretty right

[stray sigil]

can just go

[junior plover]

if ure feral + heal vs warrior

[stray sigil]

to my healer

[junior plover]

if healer is trash

[stray sigil]

i have like no peel

lol

[junior plover]

u cant win

cuz no go

[lime light]

LMAO

what?

u can heal it actually heals

ring

disarm

incap

root

slow

hello?

[stray sigil]

all pretty fucking long cds

[lime light]

play your class

30 sec incap

root no cd

disarm 45 sec

almost for every warbreaker

ring also

just dont use all at the same time

ok

?

[viscid remnant]

big brain big true

[stray sigil]

incap vs war

lol

xd

he can just zerk it

disarm is big ya

thats the best thing

[lime light]

1 min cd?

hello?

u can incap every 2nd time

and so on, priest can fear

if u play wiht one

[stray sigil]

is it worth byuing non tier like chest and shit from conq @lime light @clear pulsar

or do i have to buy nothing every week

cuz i have to wait for tier

[lime light]

i think u want one non tier to turn it

next week

[stray sigil]

can i buy any non tier with 700 conq

i feel like i cant

[lime light]

hands?

oh wait

its your lego

[stray sigil]

no

[lime light]

donkey

[stray sigil]

not hands

[lime light]

KEKW

[stray sigil]

is shoulders

700

[lime light]

ye

[signal arrow]

I think warrior vs WW is skill matchup tbh but maybe I just suck on Windwalker 😅

[lime light]

they are

i mean nothing in general

its all rng

on both sides

and depends with which healer

what covenant warrior is

[signal arrow]

True

[lime light]

u can kite necro with port peace

u cannot kite spear

[signal arrow]

you can

Roll out -> port when it pulls yu back

[lime light]

its not working every time

also no need to port

just roll and run out

works aswel

[signal arrow]

Yes the roll is so you know when to port consistently

Spear pulls you back every idk seconds

[lime light]

but it doesnt work every time

u have to trade most of the time

[signal arrow]

So if you port on the roll it should be consistent

I dodge it every time unless my reaction time sucks

[safe heart]

So should I make a monk alt or what

[signal arrow]

Monk is hella fun for sure

Unless you have to play vs BM / Hpriest 10 games in a row

[lime light]

till hpriest is shut down

dont

[signal arrow]

very true 😂

[lime light]

like vs hunter hpriest

u have short windows

to play

and then they can just fade fly

guardian if they fuck up

ros every go

[signal arrow]

Also fear on images sucks even if you trinket

Your images are still feared

[lime light]

no

they trinket

with u

only if u are human

it doesnt work

[signal arrow]

Oh then it's only on dispell

[lime light]

otherwise they trinket

ye

thats why u trinket

big go

even if u get dispel

[signal arrow]

yeah 🥲

[lime light]

human trinket doesnt work

so if dh ww stuns your images

u press

they are stunned

same for hunter

[signal arrow]

But when you trinket fear you get BM stunned on trinket

KekW

[lime light]

no u press fists

😎

[signal arrow]

^^ I guess but it's no 360° protection😂

But honestly I didn't even know you could parry that one with fists TIL but makes sense since it's a physical stun

That's why I didn't get Elite on my Windwalker

[lime light]

windwalker needs defensives buff

and dmg nerf

[signal arrow]

Just give us a spell to use in stuns 🥲

Maybe port like Mistweaver

[lime light]

think honor talent for wall

would ge good enough

to make it lower cd

[signal arrow]

True

[lime light]

dampen harm hjonor talent

kinda bad now

i mean

not bad

just not as good

[rocky belfry]

It’s coming back!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ika0ENbZ9r0

[signal arrow]

It's auto lose vs most comps to run convoke tbh

Just Gfade

[rocky belfry]

Gotta wait/bait it out

[signal arrow]

But how do you bait out Gfade if you do basically no dmg outside of convoke 😅

[rocky belfry]

Or cc the healer

[signal arrow]

True then it depends on the dps but if dps has immunity too it's still auto lose

Or pet classes can be annoying too

[rocky belfry]

Just bring 2 boomkins and alternate beam/convoke

[signal arrow]

Pet soaks a lot of the convoke

[rocky belfry]

Root the pets

[signal arrow]

Or just not play boomkin in PvP 😂 I mean sure with enough mental gymnastics you can win but I haven't lost a single game to a boomie this season

[rocky belfry]

Because they aren’t being played much, I’ll give you that.

[signal arrow]

But then again I'm only 2.1k cr 🤷‍♂️ so some Elite boomie player would probably sweep the floor with me

But I haven't met any yet

And wouldn't Kyrian be the play on higher CR anyways? 🤔

[stray sigil]

@lime light is helm

700

pls tell me it is

[rocky belfry]

I know what’s good and convoke boom with balance/mastery stack is good in 2s. I was playing deathbolt before it ever became meta and hit 2.1 with it (people also told me bolt was bad). This has the same feel to it. I don’t wait for things to become meta, I find what I think is best and play that.

[safe heart]

That's why I'm playing venthyr feral

[signal arrow]

Sure man you do you 🤙 I farm convoke boomies all day 😂

[rocky belfry]

🤦‍♂️

[viscid remnant]

@stray sigil i think 875 feji

[signal arrow]

But Rdruid also feels really strong vs boomie so eh maybe other classes struggle more cause they can't shapeshift out of root beam either way I genuinely wish you good luck with your Convoke cheese ^^

[rocky belfry]

Thanks man, I just want to live the convoke dream.

[signal arrow]

Post a youtube montage if it works out 😆

[rocky belfry]

I really think you’ll start seeing more once people see how strong it is.
You get the 1 min convoke which also makes you put out better spells+balance that makes most of your starsurges crit for 25-30k.
I always Get 3.

[signal arrow]

Yeah Convoke itself is not bad if you can get it off clean it's just usually there is some kind of answer either immunity or cc ^^ so it's hard to pull off

But certainly not impossible

There are people who make it work for sure

[rocky belfry]

It fits the way I like to play

[signal arrow]

That's most important man as long as you're having fun you're doing everything right

That's what this is all about

[rocky belfry]

I like playing specs that require a big set up for massive payoff.

Kinda like conditional formatting. Just don’t burst until all conditions are met, ya know?

[signal arrow]

Yeah ^^ I am biased in the other direction

I like consistent dmg and consistent setups

And despise oneshot cheese comps

[rocky belfry]

😂, I think those specs are boring but everyone is different

They definitely win more consistently

[signal arrow]

Yeah that's why different playstyles exist so everyone can be happy 😆

[blissful belfry]

thats 2020 convoke. good times. The most awful thing of that vid is how he clicks incarn bell convoke tho. fuckin hell

[signal arrow]

There is a mage called "WatchmeClic" Rank 1 fire mage who clicks all his spells

That guy is a legend

[blissful belfry]

[signal arrow]

No idea how he makes it to Rank 1 with only clicking but that's pretty impressive I can't even make it to Rank 1 with keybinds 😅

[rocky belfry]

Yeah, the vids old but the damage is pretty similar to that. Things just die and everything feels like it crits. That resolve trinket makes it worth taking because you are guaranteed to get big defensive cds at a minimum. Even if convoke doesn’t hit anything, those 3 starsurges are enough to kill somebody because they crit for 25-30k each.

It feels like you basically get to burst twice.

[viscid remnant]

ppl know

how to counter convoke

[rocky belfry]

Sure they do.
People also know how to counter deathbolt/demonbolt cheese but everyone played it anyway.

[viscid remnant]

u can do whatever u like but theres a reason its not played

[rocky belfry]

👍🏻

[signal arrow]

I think few people actually know how to counter demonbolt cheese that is one of demo warlocks biggest strengths

[blissful belfry]

at least it been nerfed

[signal arrow]

Because it just wasn't good before double lego 😂

[blissful belfry]

now they will do a mass exodus to destro

[rocky belfry]

You’re not wrong

[signal arrow]

God I hope so

[blissful belfry]

i dont

destro is monstrous

[rocky belfry]

Be careful what you wish for

[blissful belfry]

and now its been buffed

destro will be cancer

[rocky belfry]

Destro with 4pc will make peoples heads explode.

[blissful belfry]

2 chaos bolt in 0.1s with their 4p

[signal arrow]

Wait I thought with mass exodus you mean blizzard will nerf it

I missunderstood😂

I hope Blizzard nerfs destro

[blissful belfry]

yeah, mass exodus from demo to destro

[signal arrow]

4 piece is too good

[blissful belfry]

and they have full control of it, spend their shard, reach 10, they know next cbolt they double it

[signal arrow]

yep

[blissful belfry]

just a tiny bit of set up and you get double crit for 30k each

[signal arrow]

But you can track how many stacks of the buff he has right?

[blissful belfry]

probably

[signal arrow]

I think it will be like Windwalker where you track his Chi Ji proc

[blissful belfry]

but what u do. line until it disapear? that shit aint going away

[rocky belfry]

Put down a bane of havoc with unstoppable damage going out and you’ll see the forums fill up with tears within a week or 2

[signal arrow]

True but without Darksoul they ain't hitting for 30k

Atleast I hope so 😂

[blissful belfry]

hehe

[rocky belfry]

You could potentially 1 shot an entire team if you can stun them all on the havoc

You ever see 15 cbs going out at the same time? It’s glorious to behold.

[signal arrow]

I'm not sure if I want to 😂 unless the destro is on my team

I already played against Jaggsz this season I was glad he did not have 4 set

[rocky belfry]

Destro will be the premier lock spec until it’s nerfed but aff will still be a contender. Even after the deathbolt nerf, you can still melt someone in about 2 seconds if you get it off.

[signal arrow]

I think aff is in an okay spot I faced some when I was climbing mostly won but those were hard fought games where I might have gone down if I used my NS 1 global too late but deathbolt definetly feels a lot less threatening now

[livid wasp]

why is it so hard for me to get past 2k

[signal arrow]

Every game on 2k+ is vs multi glads atleast that's how it was when I climbed 2 weeks ago 😅 inflation was much higher last season

So the answer might just be you're facing good players ^^ but due to the way inflation of rating works you should hit 2100 easy later on in the season

[grand mesa]

You’ll probably see more participation when catalyst drops

So I imagine you’ll start to see more spread

[livid wasp]

fucking awful im so tired of this

[floral wind]

Any good discords/Guilds/Comm for PVP?

[haughty compass]

Zechey, have you ever typed in here anything that wasn’t a complaint? Sheesh lol

[rocky belfry]

Because all the glads+their alts+friends they “help” have to climb like the chads they are before us lowly duelists can climb. 😂 That’s what it feels like anyway

[livid wasp]

games shit what can you do

[fair mirage]

There aren't many glads floating around low mmr.

Unless you mean unchained glads because those don't count

[signal arrow]

But it's a good time to get better even if you lose games you should always take it as a learning experience one game I faced a 3100 feral ( I of course lost ) but I learned a lot

Playing vs multi glads every game helps you understand win conditions and setups and what seperates those players from yourself

If your primary goal is rating it's not a good time to queue cause you get frustrated but if you genuinely want to get better it's the best time to queue

[rocky belfry]

No doubt but it can get frustrating